January 14, 2025 • 27 mins
Step into the electrifying world of slap fighting with our special guest, Danie "The Pitbull" van Heerden, a name that resonates power and prowess in Las Vegas's slap fighting championship circuit. Discover how Danie became the number two ranked super heavyweight globally, fueled by his roots in Walkerville, South Africa, and a rich history in boxing and mixed martial arts. From the early days of his fighting family to the unexpected career pivot during the COVID-19 pandemic, Danie candidly shares the psychological nuances of slap fighting, including the strategic importance of winning that crucial coin toss.
We also spotlight Danie's ambitious journey in the slap championships, his stepping stone toward life-altering success in the USA. His story is one of aspiration and determination as he navigates the challenges of relocating his family while dreaming of inspiring fellow South Africans. With Slap fighting's rising popularity and potential to become a major sporting event in South Africa, we explore how this sport can mirror the success of UFC and WWE. Catch the fervor and passion as Danie illuminates the resilient spirit of South Africans striving for global recognition in this gripping episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to South Africans Abroad, a show for
expat South Africans and anyoneinterested in experiences of
those who have made the moveoverseas.
Each episode we'll hear fromSouth Africans who have left the
country to pursue newopportunities, be with loved
ones or simply follow theirdreams.
We'll explore the challengesand triumphs of life as an expat
and the unique perspective thatcomes with being a South
(00:24):
African abroad, of life as anexpat and the unique perspective
that comes with being a SouthAfrican abroad.
I'm your host, warren Burley,an expat South African who, like
many, followed the dream ofworking overseas.
Whether you're an expatyourself or just curious about
the expat experience, join us aswe delve into the motivations,
struggles and joys of being aSouth African living overseas.
Today we've got a guest who'sstepping into one of the wildest
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, most unpredictable arenas outthere the SLAP championship in
Las Vegas.
He's a South African powerhouse, a man who's making a living
out of the good old PK.
Please welcome, donnie thePitbull van Heerden.
Donnie, it's great to have youon the podcast, man.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Modern.
Thanks for having me, and to me, the only number two ranked
super heavyweight in the world.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And soon to be number one right, Definitely.
I mean, that's the goal.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
South Africans are the only ones that know how to
give a proper PK.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's for sure.
I've been watching some of yourvideos and I tell you what I
would hate to be the icon at theend of that PK.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, let's think about slap fighting.
I mean, unlike boxing andmartial arts, obviously you do
not want to get hit, but you'vegot 12 rounds to prove your
skills.
In other words, the thing aboutslap fight.
I mean, whoever wins the cointoss starts the first lap.
So say, for example, this wouldbe me, and you Say you're in my
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weight division, though Just togive you an idea, so say I
would win the coin toss.
I can then basically see thefear in your eyes while I'm
winding up.
But now this is another thing.
So if you take it like a man,yeah, and do not move, do not
flinch, do do like eat it likebreakfast, yeah, and then that
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instant of a second you need towind up to give me one.
So that changed the wholealgorithm, because now you can
see the fear in my eyes.
So that's the thing aboutSlapside.
It's obviously a five-minutesports in total, so you can see
it all, and obviously everyonewants to see that knockout.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Okay, so let's just go back a little bit.
Donnie, where did you grow up?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
In Walkerville, the deer side, I'm not sure if
anyone is familiar with this.
So around about VerenigingMayerton the ball.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So down south, eh, yes, okay, but you come from a
family of fighters, eh,competition fighters, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
That is correct.
I mean we have 13 siblings,seven boys, six girls.
Yeah.
My father would have foughtPierre Kutzer for the SA title
back in 1981.
Okay, I've got a brother, chrisDe Heet.
He's a former IBO welterweightworld champion.
Yeah, but the youngest brother,don John, he fought for a title
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in France, so he unfortunatelylost on points, though.
Then my other brother, he wasthe Gateng champion in boxing.
My oldest brother used to bethe middleweight kickboxing
champion.
Then you get my sister.
She's an artist, she'sactually… Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So totally other side then.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, so I mean, the paving for success has been
paved out for us.
Yeah, and then obviously me abit of background.
I was ranked number five on theSA rank list in boxing.
I was the heavyweight championin mixed martial arts.
I was also number one contenderin mixed martial arts in the
middleweight division.
Believe it or not, that's 83kilograms, the light heavyweight
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division 93 kilograms, and nowI'm at 172 kilograms in power
slap number two in the world.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You've kind of paved the way and I think it's given
you quite an edge over thecompetition.
I think.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Definitely I mean in all the sports combined.
I think Definitely I mean inall the sports combined.
I've got seven professionallicenses.
I'm undefeated in Muay Thai ontwo fights.
I've got one loss in K-1 orkickboxing.
In other words, yeah, I've gotmy professional license.
All of them, even bare-knuckleboxing, although to COVID that
never happened, but I got thelicense.
That's a bit about me.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But then how did you go from all of that to slapping
Oaks for a living?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Obviously, the COVID happened.
Yeah, got married, got unfit ashell and slap fight was the
only other thing than chess whatI can actually do.
So I decided slap fight.
Okay, but now you saw this onTV or whatever, and decided,
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okay, yeah, to slap Oaks for aliving looks like fun.
Well, I never thought it wouldbe this big.
To be honest, yeah, it'sactually grown quite fast but at
the same time, for me trying itout, this grows rapidly and
insanely.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, Okay, but let's just talk about trying it out.
So what did you?
Just go to the closest pubthere and decide, you know, get
a couple of slaps, give a coupleof slaps and see how it goes
professional athletes.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
so by law it's actually not allowed for any
professional athlete to competeagainst a non-licensed athlete.
In any case, I decided you knowwhat?
(05:32):
I'm still going to try it out,just to feel it Knocked the guy
out.
At first he got a frightbecause obviously he's knocked
out.
Yeah.
Luckily he survived that and webecame best friends after that.
Since then, I'm hooked.
I'm like you know, this is anew thing at my weight division
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and fitness level.
This is definitely the newsport.
Sure, we hosted another one inSouth Africa.
Also won that one on points.
That video actually went viralbefore TikTok took it down for
dangerous acts, Okay.
And then what happened?
Piles Lab contacted me via thatvideo, Okay, and at first I
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thought you know, for me, anormal South African, to get
contacted by Dana White.
I mean, what's the chances?
Yeah, yeah.
And then I said you know, ifthis is really a low scam,
organize a Zoom call and we chat.
And the Zoom call was organized.
Couldn't believe it.
I'm like I'm in, when do I fly?
Yeah, yeah, so this happenedlast year October.
(06:43):
Okay.
So, then I got chosen to be inthe season season two of
PowerSlam Road to the Title.
So that's basically the same asUltimate Fighter.
Yeah.
You have to do two fights aweek apart.
The winner gets a PowerSlamcontract, the losers go out.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And where did you come in there?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I won both of them.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So yeah, then I got a contract and then I moved.
A year later I'm sitting inVegas.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So how many fights have you had?
Professional fights, slapfights, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Professionally under the power slap banner five.
Three wins, two losses.
I lost on the title bout on onepoint and I lost for the finals
in the road to the title due todisqualification.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Just for the people that don't know and have never
actually seen this can you justbreak down how the slap
championship actually works,like the rules and the strategy
and things like that?
How do you actually win?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Obviously anyone wants to see the knockout and
the slow motion effect ofgetting knocked out.
If you don't understand therules or never seen it before,
you think it's insane.
Well, obviously it is insane,but there's a bit of rules
towards it as well.
So you get the defender, theone that takes the slap.
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So basically his stomach needs,or lower waist needs, to touch
the table.
The table is basically standingin the middle of the two sort
of strikers, if I can say itlike that.
Yeah, with his hand behind hisback, I'm holding like a pool
noodle, okay.
So with that pool noodle youare allowed to tense your traps
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From there you need to keep theposition, so you're not allowed
to flinch or move or any of that.
But you're also standing on ablock, basically like a cube,
okay, which both of your feetneed to either touch or partly
be in.
So then when you get the slapand you move out of that, it's
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sort of like a point scoresystem type of thing, okay.
So now for the striker.
You don't get slapped like anormal boxer would throw a
boxing hook.
So a striker, both feet have tobe flat on the floor.
You're not allowed to lift yourheels or pivot your feet when
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you strike.
You're not allowed to bend yourarm or hit with the palm of
your hand or hit in a cupholding position with your hands
.
Right From there, when you'reallowed to strike, it's
basically only on the cheek.
So anything higher than thelevel of your eye level, that's
a foul.
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Anything lower than yourjawline is a foul.
So in a normal fight whichlasts 3 slaps or 3 rounds, if
you have 2 fouls it's adisqualification.
And on title fights, which is 5rounds, if you have 3 fouls
it's also disqualification andobviously a knockout is a win
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straight up well, it depends.
If you knock out someone but youtwist it or lift your feet, you
get disqualified, and then theguy that got knocked out wins.
It sounds like a bittersweetvictory, sort of yeah, because I
mean, no one wants to win amatch like that.
Yeah.
But obviously due to the rulesthere's possibilities to do it.
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But then also another thingwhich most of the people out
there won't know to do powerslap.
In between each match they domedical testing.
So you're not allowed to useany banned substance, steroids
or any of that.
Yeah.
They do urine tests, blood tests, they do MRI tests.
Blood tests, they do MRI tests,they do EKG tests.
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They test you fully to makesure you're 100% healthy, before
and after each competition.
Sure, and believe it or not, Ihad my last competition in Abu
Dhabi.
Now, I think, the 25th ofOctober, and I'm the healthiest
out of nearly anyone on thatcard and I'm the heaviest I'm
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380 pounds, meaning 172kilograms.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But I've seen the size of your hands.
They're not average size handseither.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well, they're not so big as well.
But now the thing is, it'sdefinitely not the size of the
hand, because the bigger yourhand is, if you're out with one
centimeter on a slap on the face, you get fouled.
So I would say the smaller yourhands is, the more advantage
you have.
Okay, but then again it alsocomes down to technique.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Now, how do you train for this?
Are you just practicing slapsall day against the wall, or
what?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well, to be honest, you train like a bodybuilder.
You just don't eat like one.
So you lift the weights.
You've got specific muscles inyour shoulder which you need to
train.
Your flexibility needs to be onpar, your legs need to be
strong, because you're pushingfrom the legs, so anything sort
of bodybuilding-wise orstrongman-wise.
Okay.
But obviously I don't eat likeone, so I take more carbs than
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protein.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, because you want to be bigger and stronger,
right yeah so I don't go to thegym and actually get slapped.
Yeah, because how do youprepare yourself to be slapped?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Well, obviously mentally, because you know it's
coming and you have to stand andtake it.
So mentally you have to be like200% fit on that.
A mental game I would saythat's throughout life.
I mean whatever happens ismental.
I mean since the day or sincethe morning you wake up, you
decide you want to get out ofbed or not.
(12:25):
Yeah.
You decide you want to getdressed or not.
You decide you want to go towork or not.
You decide you want to put infuel to get to the work or not.
You decide if maybe a couple'sdone, are you going to pay it or
not.
So all that choices throughoutthe day in your life I think
determines your mindset, mindgoal and obviously the
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motivation of can you do it orcan't you do it, do you doubt
yourself or not?
Yeah, I would say mentally it'sobviously everyday decisions.
If you can survive everydaydecisions you can definitely do
slow fight.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
That's actually some great advice.
What goes through your headbefore a match?
I mean, is it just pureadrenaline, or what are you
thinking of?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, for me, I'm obviously focused.
I must admit the last one atAbu Dhabi.
There I had some South Africansupport, so you can actually
hear them shout give them a PK.
That was fun because theMinister of Sports was there
himself, gaetan McKenzie, andI'm sure I heard him shout it as
well.
And the fun part of it is Ithought you know it'd probably
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be 50 people or 100 people inthis crowd know what it means,
but it's definitely landing.
So that was definitely fun.
But other than that, I'mnormally focused.
But then again, obviously towait for that slap, that is a
tension that you can basicallyfeel in your back because you
know it's coming.
You're not sure if you're goingto get knocked out or not,
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because it can happen to anyone.
You can either take one or youcan't take one.
Anyone can give one, but notanyone can take one.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, have you been knocked out?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I've been knocked down from the champion For my
first time in my career.
In all the sports the championhas knocked me down the second
slap.
But there's a difference.
He was on a 17-fight win recordwith 15 knockouts.
I was the only guy up to datethat got knocked down by him and
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got back up.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, and I was the first slapper that went five
rounds with him and you knockedhis tooth out, apparently.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And I knocked his tooth out.
We saw that video.
I'm the only one on that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, you know I'm still trying to wrap my head
around how you wake up in themorning and go.
I'm going to go slap somebodyfor free, you know.
I mean most people get arrested, especially in the US, so it
must be.
Oh, here's the thing now.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah.
So in the US, this is actuallysanctioned.
You get paid for this.
Yeah.
So my mindset now on this Ithink this is the only sports
which influencers come and watch.
I mean, we had Donald Trump atthe event, we had Sean
Strickland at the event, we hadthe MrBeast YouTuber at the
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event.
We had the Mr Beast YouTuber atthe event.
We had so many influencersDeontay Wilder, actual athletes,
influencers at Slap Fight andwho can say that influencers or
celebs actually come and watchnormal boxing or normal MMA?
Yeah, Not that much.
So I think, even though we arenot coming from a how can I say
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social influencer like theAmericans would, if I can say it
like that, like the realcelebrities, this is still
celebrities coming to watch usslap each other and we're
getting paid for that.
It's even better.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, you know.
I mean, there's nothing like agood PK giving one, but to get
paid for it on the other end.
And how big are the crowds?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well, let me tell you , here at Fontainebleau, we got
a live event of between 4,000 to7,000 people.
Okay, the first one it was atDurango.
They had 1,000 people in-house,but the influencers level.
So you only got invited viaspecial parents.
So only if you're a super hugeinfluencer.
(16:17):
Yeah.
So, basically, on mediamarketing, there were 740
million potential following basefrom the influencers that were
there.
Okay, and if you can check onTikTok, if you compare PowerSnap
, for example, to UFC, ufc's,got 15 million followers.
Take on TikTok.
If you compare PowerSlam, forexample, to UFC, ufc's got 15
million followers, but only someof the videos reach 1 to 2
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million.
Powerslam got 5 millionfollowers, so three times less,
but their viewing gets 356million views.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah well, I think it's all got to do with.
It's a quick sport.
It's violent, to say the least,and people want to see the
knockout.
I think it's all about it.
That's decent.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Whether you're a fan or you're not a fan, you're
still going to watch it, becauseeven if you scroll through
TikTok that three seconds,you're going to wait.
That's when the knockouthappens.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, for sure.
And also the way that they playit with the slow-mo and the
guy's jaw looks like it's goingto come off his head.
Exactly.
I think that definitely plays abig role.
Now, Tommy, you're representingSouth Africa in a pretty unique
way.
How do the people back homefeel about what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Well, obviously, family and friends they support
me full-out on this.
Yeah, I've got non-familyadventures of fans which also
support me in this.
So basically for my idea backhome we got a couple of
promotions running.
So if we can get this sanctionin South Africa, I think this is
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the easiest sport to come fromthe couch and basically compete
and be a superstar.
Unlike boxing or martial artsor Muay Thai or K-1, you have to
do six days of training, twoyears of effort and motivation
to even get on the amateur level.
But on slap fight, I mean, youcan literally come from the
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couch.
If you can take a slap, you canbe a superstar.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, you just got to go to the clubs on a Friday
afternoon and you can pick oaksfrom there.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well, here's the thing, because then you would
get locked up back in SouthAfrica.
So if you know you can take aslap, just come and try it out.
Sign up and come and do it.
So my big idea is if I can getkids or youngsters either off of
the street into sort ofcompetition style, if I can say
it like that make something outof them other than being on
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maybe, the cell phones, unlessyou're a gamer or something.
But the easiest other way to bea superstar definitely is lap
hunting, okay, so where do yousee it going in the future?
Well, the Minister of Sport,Gator McKenzie, has obviously
been at Abu Dhabi the live event.
So I definitely feel in thefuture close future, like 2025,
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gator McKenzie will be probablygetting it right to get UFC, wwe
and PowerSlam even in SouthAfrica.
I've got a good feeling on this.
So I'm not even going to say inthe next five years, I'm going
to say in the next year, slapfighting even in South Africa is
going to go vital.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I think also people like Drikus is paving the way
for like the UFC and stuff.
I mean I know he's pushing toget a fight in SA and hopefully
we see that happen.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah.
So I think big things are goingto happen with that type of
sport in SA, and I really hopeit does, because it can only do
good things.
And, tommy, do you see the slapchampionship as a stepping
stone for something else, or isthat like the end game?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Well, I think, finding us a stepping stone,
basically to get established inUSA and America, to get the
family, obviously for theopportunities and to make it
even more possible to open thedoors for fellow South Africans,
even to make it big.
Yeah, because I know what SouthAfrica is like, I know what we
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sort of need, and the Americansdecide they do not even know
about South Africa, because weare not even close to their
level.
They would say, well, I don'tknow, you're showing them a
thing, or two.
Yeah, if you look at it, we'vegot so many potential which is
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not even recognized due toyou're not even getting worth
the money in South Africa.
So if I can be one of thepioneers to open the doors to
fellow South Africans and changetheir lives like literally, I'm
definitely keen for that.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Okay, and I mean they can make a living out of this.
I mean the money's good eh.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
You can make a life changing out of this, not just a
living, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Well, that's good to know.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
South African conversion.
You won't believe it.
It's like it's insane.
It's insane money.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, well, that makes it all worth it at the end
of the day.
Definitely you married right.
I am, yes, and your wife, Imean she supports you throughout
.
I mean I've seen, you know,with the videos and stuff like
that, I mean when she goes andwatches the fighting how does
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she feel about watching yougetting a good pk and giving one
?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I think she's okay with it because she know I can
take it.
I know the last time when Ifought the title match and I
actually went down, he said she,uh, felt the pain in her heart
because that's the first timeshe saw me going down.
But she's like she can'tbelieve this Because I'm even a
role model to her and now I'mgoing down.
Yeah well, that's life.
The difference is we aregetting up.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, exactly, and I think that's the South African
way we get up, no matter whatthat's the South African way.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, I can name a couple of guys this side that
once you go down and get rocked,they quit.
They don't have the SouthAfrican art.
I can tell you that.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, yeah, and that's also why a lot of us are,
you know, we're succeeding thisside.
I mean, obviously not all of usdo fighting and that.
But in life in general, I thinkthe South African way is never
give up.
We stand up, we fight, we.
You know, we always come back.
It's not about getting put down, but it's about getting up, and
I think that's good advice foreveryone out there.
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It's just keep going, keepgoing.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
The thing about South Africa we're not getting
recognised as we're supposed to.
I mean, we're the champions inchess, we're the champions in
rugby, we're the champions inUFC, we're the champions in
power slap, we are the championson so much more, but we're not
getting that recognition like weshould because we don't have so
many influences.
But it's like you said, theSouth Africans, they know how to
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just keep on going.
It doesn't matter.
I mean, in Vegas they don'thave load shedding.
We've got load shedding, we'vegot all the issues.
We've got food issues, we'vegot a lot of issues.
And in America this is just alife so easy.
I would say that the peoplehere they don't understand what
it is to have a hard life.
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So, coming from South Africa,there's not anyone that's going
to have that motivation, drilland even heart to be successful.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, for sure, Nani.
I just want to talk about yourjourney here in the US.
What are the plans?
Are you moving over here?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Oh, that's a plan.
I'm moving over here andsorting some paperwork out, then
getting the family here, andyeah, that's the plan.
So to get established hereobviously open up more
opportunities, not just on thepast but for the kids and their
future yeah and, like I said, ifI can open the road to fellow
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South Africans, that's the maingoal, because then I am in the
pot.
Basically, it's easier for meto convince the guys here on.
You know what South Africa canbe on the map.
Let's do it this way, because Iknow the do's and don'ts of
South Africa, if I can say itlike that.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, yeah, and have you experienced any challenges
with getting your visa andthings?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So far, no challenges .
There's just a lot of paperwork.
And they're Americans.
They don't work like SouthAfricans, so they work on a go
slow type of thing.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, everything is slow.
Yeah, so slow.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So that's for us as South Africans that we have to
get used to.
So far, no hiccups, everythingis on par.
I obviously need to go throughthe first process and get that
back and then get a travelcertificate so I can travel in
and out of America, which Idon't think is sort of allowed
now.
So I obviously have to go backto South Africa, get all of that
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done and then come back again.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Once it's all said and done,what do you want the people to
remember about you?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
That I am the pioneer of opening the doors to fellow
guys getting off the street,making them big and be able to
make it possible for them tochange their lives or even get
to Vegas if that's their dream.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Donnie, this has been incredible man, from your
journey from growing up in SouthAfrica to making a name for
yourself here in the US.
Your story is inspiring anddownright badass, bud.
I think a lot of people canlearn from your grit and
determination, whether it's inthe ring or your visa journey or
just chasing your dreams.
Good luck for your next matchand we're definitely going to
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come through to Vegas and watchyou fight, and I can't wait to
see where you actually take thissport man.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Well, thank you very much.
I really do appreciate it Forall the guys out there listening
.
Pop me a follow on Instagram.
I'm at Donnie Pitbull.
If you've got Facebook, I'mjust Donnie Pitbull, from
Ireland.
If you have TikTok, I am PapaDon, in other words, or you can
just go to Donnie Pitbull.
Yeah, show your support, say mea hi, add me on a story, tell
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me where you're from, whereyou're from now, what's your
dreams, and, yeah, let's shareit together yeah and tell, just
quickly tell them about yoursong.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I saw you got a song out that I can go download on
Apple.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, so there's a song out.
It's called Pitbull Van Heerden.
It's on Apple and Deezer andYouTube and all the social media
ads.
I'm not familiar with all ofthem, but yeah, Pitbull for Neal
, go and listen, tell me whatyour thoughts are, post me on a
story, yeah, but hopefullythere's another one coming out
(26:59):
soon.
So this one was more for theguys that entered the wrapping.
The next one will be more forthe motivation part on.
You know, it doesn't matter howdifficult it is.
We get up, we go on and we getdressed, basically.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, guys, go out and support Anyone out in Vegas
you know, or wherever the SlapChampionship's going to happen.
Make sure you find out whenDonny's next match is, and let's
all go out there and support,wave the flag and show support,
man, thanks go.
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All go out there in support towave the flag and show support,
man, thanks go.
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Whether you're an expatyourself or just curious about
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struggles and joys of being aSouth African living overseas.
Today we've got a guest who'sstepping into one of the wildest
(00:44):
, most unpredictable arenas outthere the SLAP championship in
Las Vegas.
He's a South African powerhouse, a man who's making a living
out of the good old PK.
Please welcome, donnie thePitbull van Heerden.
Donnie, it's great to have youon the podcast, man.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Modern.
Thanks for having me, and to me, the only number two ranked
super heavyweight in the world.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And soon to be number one right, Definitely.
I mean, that's the goal.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
South Africans are the only ones that know how to
give a proper PK.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's for sure.
I've been watching some of yourvideos and I tell you what I
would hate to be the icon at theend of that PK.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, let's think about slap fighting.
I mean, unlike boxing andmartial arts, obviously you do
not want to get hit, but you'vegot 12 rounds to prove your
skills.
In other words, the thing aboutslap fight.
I mean, whoever wins the cointoss starts the first lap.
So say, for example, this wouldbe me, and you Say you're in my
(01:40):
weight division, though Just togive you an idea, so say I
would win the coin toss.
I can then basically see thefear in your eyes while I'm
winding up.
But now this is another thing.
So if you take it like a man,yeah, and do not move, do not
flinch, do do like eat it likebreakfast, yeah, and then that
(02:02):
instant of a second you need towind up to give me one.
So that changed the wholealgorithm, because now you can
see the fear in my eyes.
So that's the thing aboutSlapside.
It's obviously a five-minutesports in total, so you can see
it all, and obviously everyonewants to see that knockout.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Okay, so let's just go back a little bit.
Donnie, where did you grow up?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
In Walkerville, the deer side, I'm not sure if
anyone is familiar with this.
So around about VerenigingMayerton the ball.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So down south, eh, yes, okay, but you come from a
family of fighters, eh,competition fighters, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
That is correct.
I mean we have 13 siblings,seven boys, six girls.
Yeah.
My father would have foughtPierre Kutzer for the SA title
back in 1981.
Okay, I've got a brother, chrisDe Heet.
He's a former IBO welterweightworld champion.
Yeah, but the youngest brother,don John, he fought for a title
(03:05):
in France, so he unfortunatelylost on points, though.
Then my other brother, he wasthe Gateng champion in boxing.
My oldest brother used to bethe middleweight kickboxing
champion.
Then you get my sister.
She's an artist, she'sactually… Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So totally other side then.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, so I mean, the paving for success has been
paved out for us.
Yeah, and then obviously me abit of background.
I was ranked number five on theSA rank list in boxing.
I was the heavyweight championin mixed martial arts.
I was also number one contenderin mixed martial arts in the
middleweight division.
Believe it or not, that's 83kilograms, the light heavyweight
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division 93 kilograms, and nowI'm at 172 kilograms in power
slap number two in the world.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You've kind of paved the way and I think it's given
you quite an edge over thecompetition.
I think.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Definitely I mean in all the sports combined.
I think Definitely I mean inall the sports combined.
I've got seven professionallicenses.
I'm undefeated in Muay Thai ontwo fights.
I've got one loss in K-1 orkickboxing.
In other words, yeah, I've gotmy professional license.
All of them, even bare-knuckleboxing, although to COVID that
never happened, but I got thelicense.
That's a bit about me.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But then how did you go from all of that to slapping
Oaks for a living?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Obviously, the COVID happened.
Yeah, got married, got unfit ashell and slap fight was the
only other thing than chess whatI can actually do.
So I decided slap fight.
Okay, but now you saw this onTV or whatever, and decided,
(04:49):
okay, yeah, to slap Oaks for aliving looks like fun.
Well, I never thought it wouldbe this big.
To be honest, yeah, it'sactually grown quite fast but at
the same time, for me trying itout, this grows rapidly and
insanely.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, Okay, but let's just talk about trying it out.
So what did you?
Just go to the closest pubthere and decide, you know, get
a couple of slaps, give a coupleof slaps and see how it goes
professional athletes.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
so by law it's actually not allowed for any
professional athlete to competeagainst a non-licensed athlete.
In any case, I decided you knowwhat?
(05:32):
I'm still going to try it out,just to feel it Knocked the guy
out.
At first he got a frightbecause obviously he's knocked
out.
Yeah.
Luckily he survived that and webecame best friends after that.
Since then, I'm hooked.
I'm like you know, this is anew thing at my weight division
(05:55):
and fitness level.
This is definitely the newsport.
Sure, we hosted another one inSouth Africa.
Also won that one on points.
That video actually went viralbefore TikTok took it down for
dangerous acts, Okay.
And then what happened?
Piles Lab contacted me via thatvideo, Okay, and at first I
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thought you know, for me, anormal South African, to get
contacted by Dana White.
I mean, what's the chances?
Yeah, yeah.
And then I said you know, ifthis is really a low scam,
organize a Zoom call and we chat.
And the Zoom call was organized.
Couldn't believe it.
I'm like I'm in, when do I fly?
Yeah, yeah, so this happenedlast year October.
(06:43):
Okay.
So, then I got chosen to be inthe season season two of
PowerSlam Road to the Title.
So that's basically the same asUltimate Fighter.
Yeah.
You have to do two fights aweek apart.
The winner gets a PowerSlamcontract, the losers go out.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And where did you come in there?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I won both of them.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So yeah, then I got a contract and then I moved.
A year later I'm sitting inVegas.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So how many fights have you had?
Professional fights, slapfights, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Professionally under the power slap banner five.
Three wins, two losses.
I lost on the title bout on onepoint and I lost for the finals
in the road to the title due todisqualification.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Just for the people that don't know and have never
actually seen this can you justbreak down how the slap
championship actually works,like the rules and the strategy
and things like that?
How do you actually win?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Obviously anyone wants to see the knockout and
the slow motion effect ofgetting knocked out.
If you don't understand therules or never seen it before,
you think it's insane.
Well, obviously it is insane,but there's a bit of rules
towards it as well.
So you get the defender, theone that takes the slap.
(08:03):
So basically his stomach needs,or lower waist needs, to touch
the table.
The table is basically standingin the middle of the two sort
of strikers, if I can say itlike that.
Yeah, with his hand behind hisback, I'm holding like a pool
noodle, okay.
So with that pool noodle youare allowed to tense your traps
(08:28):
From there you need to keep theposition, so you're not allowed
to flinch or move or any of that.
But you're also standing on ablock, basically like a cube,
okay, which both of your feetneed to either touch or partly
be in.
So then when you get the slapand you move out of that, it's
(08:49):
sort of like a point scoresystem type of thing, okay.
So now for the striker.
You don't get slapped like anormal boxer would throw a
boxing hook.
So a striker, both feet have tobe flat on the floor.
You're not allowed to lift yourheels or pivot your feet when
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you strike.
You're not allowed to bend yourarm or hit with the palm of
your hand or hit in a cupholding position with your hands
.
Right From there, when you'reallowed to strike, it's
basically only on the cheek.
So anything higher than thelevel of your eye level, that's
a foul.
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Anything lower than yourjawline is a foul.
So in a normal fight whichlasts 3 slaps or 3 rounds, if
you have 2 fouls it's adisqualification.
And on title fights, which is 5rounds, if you have 3 fouls
it's also disqualification andobviously a knockout is a win
(09:51):
straight up well, it depends.
If you knock out someone but youtwist it or lift your feet, you
get disqualified, and then theguy that got knocked out wins.
It sounds like a bittersweetvictory, sort of yeah, because I
mean, no one wants to win amatch like that.
Yeah.
But obviously due to the rulesthere's possibilities to do it.
(10:15):
But then also another thingwhich most of the people out
there won't know to do powerslap.
In between each match they domedical testing.
So you're not allowed to useany banned substance, steroids
or any of that.
Yeah.
They do urine tests, blood tests, they do MRI tests.
Blood tests, they do MRI tests,they do EKG tests.
(10:37):
They test you fully to makesure you're 100% healthy, before
and after each competition.
Sure, and believe it or not, Ihad my last competition in Abu
Dhabi.
Now, I think, the 25th ofOctober, and I'm the healthiest
out of nearly anyone on thatcard and I'm the heaviest I'm
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380 pounds, meaning 172kilograms.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But I've seen the size of your hands.
They're not average size handseither.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well, they're not so big as well.
But now the thing is, it'sdefinitely not the size of the
hand, because the bigger yourhand is, if you're out with one
centimeter on a slap on the face, you get fouled.
So I would say the smaller yourhands is, the more advantage
you have.
Okay, but then again it alsocomes down to technique.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Now, how do you train for this?
Are you just practicing slapsall day against the wall, or
what?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well, to be honest, you train like a bodybuilder.
You just don't eat like one.
So you lift the weights.
You've got specific muscles inyour shoulder which you need to
train.
Your flexibility needs to be onpar, your legs need to be
strong, because you're pushingfrom the legs, so anything sort
of bodybuilding-wise orstrongman-wise.
Okay.
But obviously I don't eat likeone, so I take more carbs than
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protein.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, because you want to be bigger and stronger,
right yeah so I don't go to thegym and actually get slapped.
Yeah, because how do youprepare yourself to be slapped?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Well, obviously mentally, because you know it's
coming and you have to stand andtake it.
So mentally you have to be like200% fit on that.
A mental game I would saythat's throughout life.
I mean whatever happens ismental.
I mean since the day or sincethe morning you wake up, you
decide you want to get out ofbed or not.
(12:25):
Yeah.
You decide you want to getdressed or not.
You decide you want to go towork or not.
You decide you want to put infuel to get to the work or not.
You decide if maybe a couple'sdone, are you going to pay it or
not.
So all that choices throughoutthe day in your life I think
determines your mindset, mindgoal and obviously the
(12:48):
motivation of can you do it orcan't you do it, do you doubt
yourself or not?
Yeah, I would say mentally it'sobviously everyday decisions.
If you can survive everydaydecisions you can definitely do
slow fight.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
That's actually some great advice.
What goes through your headbefore a match?
I mean, is it just pureadrenaline, or what are you
thinking of?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, for me, I'm obviously focused.
I must admit the last one atAbu Dhabi.
There I had some South Africansupport, so you can actually
hear them shout give them a PK.
That was fun because theMinister of Sports was there
himself, gaetan McKenzie, andI'm sure I heard him shout it as
well.
And the fun part of it is Ithought you know it'd probably
(13:33):
be 50 people or 100 people inthis crowd know what it means,
but it's definitely landing.
So that was definitely fun.
But other than that, I'mnormally focused.
But then again, obviously towait for that slap, that is a
tension that you can basicallyfeel in your back because you
know it's coming.
You're not sure if you're goingto get knocked out or not,
(13:54):
because it can happen to anyone.
You can either take one or youcan't take one.
Anyone can give one, but notanyone can take one.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, have you been knocked out?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I've been knocked down from the champion For my
first time in my career.
In all the sports the championhas knocked me down the second
slap.
But there's a difference.
He was on a 17-fight win recordwith 15 knockouts.
I was the only guy up to datethat got knocked down by him and
(14:25):
got back up.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, and I was the first slapper that went five
rounds with him and you knockedhis tooth out, apparently.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And I knocked his tooth out.
We saw that video.
I'm the only one on that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, you know I'm still trying to wrap my head
around how you wake up in themorning and go.
I'm going to go slap somebodyfor free, you know.
I mean most people get arrested, especially in the US, so it
must be.
Oh, here's the thing now.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah.
So in the US, this is actuallysanctioned.
You get paid for this.
Yeah.
So my mindset now on this Ithink this is the only sports
which influencers come and watch.
I mean, we had Donald Trump atthe event, we had Sean
Strickland at the event, we hadthe MrBeast YouTuber at the
(15:14):
event.
We had the Mr Beast YouTuber atthe event.
We had so many influencersDeontay Wilder, actual athletes,
influencers at Slap Fight andwho can say that influencers or
celebs actually come and watchnormal boxing or normal MMA?
Yeah, Not that much.
So I think, even though we arenot coming from a how can I say
(15:35):
social influencer like theAmericans would, if I can say it
like that, like the realcelebrities, this is still
celebrities coming to watch usslap each other and we're
getting paid for that.
It's even better.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, you know.
I mean, there's nothing like agood PK giving one, but to get
paid for it on the other end.
And how big are the crowds?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well, let me tell you , here at Fontainebleau, we got
a live event of between 4,000 to7,000 people.
Okay, the first one it was atDurango.
They had 1,000 people in-house,but the influencers level.
So you only got invited viaspecial parents.
So only if you're a super hugeinfluencer.
(16:17):
Yeah.
So, basically, on mediamarketing, there were 740
million potential following basefrom the influencers that were
there.
Okay, and if you can check onTikTok, if you compare PowerSnap
, for example, to UFC, ufc's,got 15 million followers.
Take on TikTok.
If you compare PowerSlam, forexample, to UFC, ufc's got 15
million followers, but only someof the videos reach 1 to 2
(16:40):
million.
Powerslam got 5 millionfollowers, so three times less,
but their viewing gets 356million views.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah well, I think it's all got to do with.
It's a quick sport.
It's violent, to say the least,and people want to see the
knockout.
I think it's all about it.
That's decent.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Whether you're a fan or you're not a fan, you're
still going to watch it, becauseeven if you scroll through
TikTok that three seconds,you're going to wait.
That's when the knockouthappens.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, for sure.
And also the way that they playit with the slow-mo and the
guy's jaw looks like it's goingto come off his head.
Exactly.
I think that definitely plays abig role.
Now, Tommy, you're representingSouth Africa in a pretty unique
way.
How do the people back homefeel about what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Well, obviously, family and friends they support
me full-out on this.
Yeah, I've got non-familyadventures of fans which also
support me in this.
So basically for my idea backhome we got a couple of
promotions running.
So if we can get this sanctionin South Africa, I think this is
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the easiest sport to come fromthe couch and basically compete
and be a superstar.
Unlike boxing or martial artsor Muay Thai or K-1, you have to
do six days of training, twoyears of effort and motivation
to even get on the amateur level.
But on slap fight, I mean, youcan literally come from the
(18:10):
couch.
If you can take a slap, you canbe a superstar.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, you just got to go to the clubs on a Friday
afternoon and you can pick oaksfrom there.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well, here's the thing, because then you would
get locked up back in SouthAfrica.
So if you know you can take aslap, just come and try it out.
Sign up and come and do it.
So my big idea is if I can getkids or youngsters either off of
the street into sort ofcompetition style, if I can say
it like that make something outof them other than being on
(18:41):
maybe, the cell phones, unlessyou're a gamer or something.
But the easiest other way to bea superstar definitely is lap
hunting, okay, so where do yousee it going in the future?
Well, the Minister of Sport,Gator McKenzie, has obviously
been at Abu Dhabi the live event.
So I definitely feel in thefuture close future, like 2025,
(19:05):
gator McKenzie will be probablygetting it right to get UFC, wwe
and PowerSlam even in SouthAfrica.
I've got a good feeling on this.
So I'm not even going to say inthe next five years, I'm going
to say in the next year, slapfighting even in South Africa is
going to go vital.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I think also people like Drikus is paving the way
for like the UFC and stuff.
I mean I know he's pushing toget a fight in SA and hopefully
we see that happen.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah.
So I think big things are goingto happen with that type of
sport in SA, and I really hopeit does, because it can only do
good things.
And, tommy, do you see the slapchampionship as a stepping
stone for something else, or isthat like the end game?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Well, I think, finding us a stepping stone,
basically to get established inUSA and America, to get the
family, obviously for theopportunities and to make it
even more possible to open thedoors for fellow South Africans,
even to make it big.
Yeah, because I know what SouthAfrica is like, I know what we
(20:18):
sort of need, and the Americansdecide they do not even know
about South Africa, because weare not even close to their
level.
They would say, well, I don'tknow, you're showing them a
thing, or two.
Yeah, if you look at it, we'vegot so many potential which is
(20:38):
not even recognized due toyou're not even getting worth
the money in South Africa.
So if I can be one of thepioneers to open the doors to
fellow South Africans and changetheir lives like literally, I'm
definitely keen for that.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Okay, and I mean they can make a living out of this.
I mean the money's good eh.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
You can make a life changing out of this, not just a
living, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Well, that's good to know.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
South African conversion.
You won't believe it.
It's like it's insane.
It's insane money.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, well, that makes it all worth it at the end
of the day.
Definitely you married right.
I am, yes, and your wife, Imean she supports you throughout
.
I mean I've seen, you know,with the videos and stuff like
that, I mean when she goes andwatches the fighting how does
(21:34):
she feel about watching yougetting a good pk and giving one
?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I think she's okay with it because she know I can
take it.
I know the last time when Ifought the title match and I
actually went down, he said she,uh, felt the pain in her heart
because that's the first timeshe saw me going down.
But she's like she can'tbelieve this Because I'm even a
role model to her and now I'mgoing down.
Yeah well, that's life.
The difference is we aregetting up.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, exactly, and I think that's the South African
way we get up, no matter whatthat's the South African way.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, I can name a couple of guys this side that
once you go down and get rocked,they quit.
They don't have the SouthAfrican art.
I can tell you that.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, yeah, and that's also why a lot of us are,
you know, we're succeeding thisside.
I mean, obviously not all of usdo fighting and that.
But in life in general, I thinkthe South African way is never
give up.
We stand up, we fight, we.
You know, we always come back.
It's not about getting put down, but it's about getting up, and
I think that's good advice foreveryone out there.
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It's just keep going, keepgoing.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
The thing about South Africa we're not getting
recognised as we're supposed to.
I mean, we're the champions inchess, we're the champions in
rugby, we're the champions inUFC, we're the champions in
power slap, we are the championson so much more, but we're not
getting that recognition like weshould because we don't have so
many influences.
But it's like you said, theSouth Africans, they know how to
(23:00):
just keep on going.
It doesn't matter.
I mean, in Vegas they don'thave load shedding.
We've got load shedding, we'vegot all the issues.
We've got food issues, we'vegot a lot of issues.
And in America this is just alife so easy.
I would say that the peoplehere they don't understand what
it is to have a hard life.
(23:20):
So, coming from South Africa,there's not anyone that's going
to have that motivation, drilland even heart to be successful.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, for sure, Nani.
I just want to talk about yourjourney here in the US.
What are the plans?
Are you moving over here?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Oh, that's a plan.
I'm moving over here andsorting some paperwork out, then
getting the family here, andyeah, that's the plan.
So to get established hereobviously open up more
opportunities, not just on thepast but for the kids and their
future yeah and, like I said, ifI can open the road to fellow
(24:03):
South Africans, that's the maingoal, because then I am in the
pot.
Basically, it's easier for meto convince the guys here on.
You know what South Africa canbe on the map.
Let's do it this way, because Iknow the do's and don'ts of
South Africa, if I can say itlike that.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, yeah, and have you experienced any challenges
with getting your visa andthings?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So far, no challenges .
There's just a lot of paperwork.
And they're Americans.
They don't work like SouthAfricans, so they work on a go
slow type of thing.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, everything is slow.
Yeah, so slow.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So that's for us as South Africans that we have to
get used to.
So far, no hiccups, everythingis on par.
I obviously need to go throughthe first process and get that
back and then get a travelcertificate so I can travel in
and out of America, which Idon't think is sort of allowed
now.
So I obviously have to go backto South Africa, get all of that
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done and then come back again.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Once it's all said and done,what do you want the people to
remember about you?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
That I am the pioneer of opening the doors to fellow
guys getting off the street,making them big and be able to
make it possible for them tochange their lives or even get
to Vegas if that's their dream.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Donnie, this has been incredible man, from your
journey from growing up in SouthAfrica to making a name for
yourself here in the US.
Your story is inspiring anddownright badass, bud.
I think a lot of people canlearn from your grit and
determination, whether it's inthe ring or your visa journey or
just chasing your dreams.
Good luck for your next matchand we're definitely going to
(25:50):
come through to Vegas and watchyou fight, and I can't wait to
see where you actually take thissport man.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Well, thank you very much.
I really do appreciate it Forall the guys out there listening
.
Pop me a follow on Instagram.
I'm at Donnie Pitbull.
If you've got Facebook, I'mjust Donnie Pitbull, from
Ireland.
If you have TikTok, I am PapaDon, in other words, or you can
just go to Donnie Pitbull.
Yeah, show your support, say mea hi, add me on a story, tell
(26:22):
me where you're from, whereyou're from now, what's your
dreams, and, yeah, let's shareit together yeah and tell, just
quickly tell them about yoursong.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I saw you got a song out that I can go download on
Apple.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, so there's a song out.
It's called Pitbull Van Heerden.
It's on Apple and Deezer andYouTube and all the social media
ads.
I'm not familiar with all ofthem, but yeah, Pitbull for Neal
, go and listen, tell me whatyour thoughts are, post me on a
story, yeah, but hopefullythere's another one coming out
(26:59):
soon.
So this one was more for theguys that entered the wrapping.
The next one will be more forthe motivation part on.
You know, it doesn't matter howdifficult it is.
We get up, we go on and we getdressed, basically.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, guys, go out and support Anyone out in Vegas
you know, or wherever the SlapChampionship's going to happen.
Make sure you find out whenDonny's next match is, and let's
all go out there and support,wave the flag and show support,
man, thanks go.
(27:36):
All go out there in support towave the flag and show support,
man, thanks go.
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