Show 257: Raspberry and Blackberry

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The name down to the clan, the clan to the.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Hey, y'all, well, today we're gonna get into one of
my favorite, absolutely favorite wild foods and medicinal herbs, my
favorite berry bearing bush, and that is BlackBerry and raspberry.
Where I grew up in the Blue Ridge Mountains of

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North Carolina, you could not throw a rock without hitting
a BlackBerry bush. I mean, I have eaten probably ten
thousand pounds of blackberries in my life. And my family
used to have Sorry, i'm a little horse today, my
family used to have a grocery store for a few generations.

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That's what my family did, and then my dad decided
to leave our family and sell the stores and not
pass them down to the next generation, which would have
been my life stream come true. Honestly, that's all I
ever wanted to do in life was have a little
grocery store and the little tavern we had in the
store and made wonderful ruben sandwiches and served beer, and

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had handcut meats by a real butcher and shop, and
bade sausages and cured meats, and a cheese section, which
was at the time this would be the nineteen seventies
and eighties was the largest and finest imported cheese shop
in the entire Southeast and imported wines. We stocked the

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sellers for the guy who owned Swish or Sweet Cigars,
Herb Swisher. We always talked his seller, the Ford family,
the Colt family, the Firestones. I could go on. Yeah, yeah,
we had. I guess when I was a kid, we
had about five grocery stores and specialty wine and cheese

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stores and restaurants in about two county area and then
a few in the outskirts. And you know, obviously my
grandparents intended me to take over the family business, and
I wanted to do that more than anything in my life.

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I loved being a grocer. Maybe that sounds weird, you know,
you know me as an herbalist, you know me as
a musician, a writer. I love food. Literally. I mean
we would have and this is why this relates to berries.
The local people would bring in their fresh produce and

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we would buy them and sell them in the store.
That's why the most wealthy people in the entire United States,
I mean literally, Frank Sinatra summered in Boyn Rock, North Carolina,
that would come to our store to well, he wouldn't no.
I mean, obviously he had servants and a personal chef,

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but I'm talking like the Fords and the Colt Firearms. Yeah,
they had a big mansion up there, Cone Mills, who
made blue jeans and such. I mean I could name
I literally, as a kid at five years old, was
associating with the Wrothschild's no, no joke, seriously, the richest

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people on the face of the earth and the most
famous actors and actresses and are artists. They shopped with us.
We had the little grocery store that had a wine
and beer permit thanks to my maternal grandfather who made
that happen. And people would come there from up north

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and they would spend the summer in the nice, cool,
pleasant mountains of North Carolina. And I mean they'd go
in and drop ten thousand dollars on wine to fill
the cellar. I mean, yeah, seriously. But you know, my
dad's went his fifth wife, and he left when I
was five and didn't give a shit honestly about me

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or anybody else. And actually, when I became Catholic, he
pretty much disowned me and said that was it, you know,
even though I'd only seen him like three times in
the last the previous twenty years, usually to tell me
he had a new wife and she was going to
be sending me Christmas cards or something. I mean, you know,
and you know he's worth millions and millions and millions

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of dollars more than likely, I guess. You know. My
grandparents intended me to inherit that business and be a
wealthy person, and I'm not. And nobody cares. Nobody on
either side of my family. On one side of the family,

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I was cut out of the family business, and the
other side of the family, I was cut off of
the family farm. And when the inheritances came through, I
was left out of the wheels. And everybody else got
a cut except me. So I've been on my own,
on my own two feet since I was sixteen seventeen.

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What are you gonna do? But anyway, I love blackberries,
absolutely adore blackberries. When I lived in Fosco, North Carolina.
That's a little tiny town. Still I don't even think
it's incorporated. Sorry, I've really got some serious bronchio allergies

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going on today. There were so many blackberries that summer
through early winter. You could just go out and pick
a five gallon bucket any day of the week. I mean,
it was just incredible. I actually had two dogs at
that point. One was a Whimerunner and the other was

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a Vishla. I don't know about all of them, but
this dog was so smart. When I did something wrong, hey,
glare at me. I'm serious. If he was a trade
hunting dog and we'd go out and if I miss
the bird, he would turn around and stare at me
with a disdainful look. When we got into my old

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Volkswagen bus, I had a beautiful at that point seventy
eight Volkswagen Vanagon with a Porsche engine, and oh man,
I love that thing. I honestly, it was a pain.
I was constantly repairing it, but I loved that vehicle.
My old dog blew the Vishla. He would jump into

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the passenger seat and he would refuse to let me
drive until I put his seat belt on. That's how
smart that dog was. If he got into the seat
and I went into mind I cranked it up, he
would start swatting my hand away. That dog was that
smart well the way. Maerunner was the opposite. But I'll

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tell you one thing she was smart about was food.
She was a bottomless pit, an absolute vacuum. And when
I was living down in Georgia a few years later,
one night she got out, she ran off. She would
sit and plot and wait until your back was turned
and get out of the yard. And as she went

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down and got into the dumpsters for an outback steakhouse.
When I found her at three in the morning, she
looked like a pregnant goat. She was swollen out on
both sides like you could not believe. I got her home.
She was covered from with grease from head to tail.

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Then over the next eight hours proceeded to vomit every
thirty to minutes to an hour. She threw up everything
from baked beans to tinfoil and boats. That was not
an easy dog. That was not an easy dog. After that,

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I moved to Virginia. I remember one night, man, I'm
having a rough time with this cough. You' all gonna
have to beer with me today. It's like three or
four in the morning, and I'm laying in bed and
there's this horrible stench that wakes me up. And I
wake up and there's my wine runner with her face,

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with her nose a half inch from my nose, breathing
in my face, making sure that I was awake. She
was the sweetest, most lovable, most aggravating pain in the ass.
You can imagine. Well, anyway she eat When I lived

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in Fosco, learned to eat blackberries. And this dog would
eat anything. I mean literally. At one time, I was
at my grandparents, right before my grandmother passed away, and
brought her with me, and you know, they kept chickens
and there was laying mash. Laying mass is sort of
a mix of grain and oyster shells. She found it

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and she ate seventy pounds literally in one day. In
one serving, she ate seventy pounds of laying mash. And
I'm not going to tell you what she laid for
the next three days. Word I mean when I think
back about that dog, but she learned how to eat blackberries.

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First thing she did was learned learn to eat apples.
I'd go out near wild apple trees and feral apple trees.
You know, we don't really have a wild apple tree
in America except crab apple. But the old homesteaders used
to plant apple trees. And Johnny Appleseed, of what a character.
He was a polygamist who wandered around barefoot planting apples,
America's first hippie apparently. And then we had North Carolina

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actually has his own version. He was what was he McKinnie.
I think he had a place over an altapass, North Carolina,
down from Spruce Pine in Mitchell County, if if memory serves,
he had about ten wives and a hundred kids and
loved to plant apple seeds, among other things. But anyway,

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she saw me eat an apple, this old wine runner
of mine, beautiful dog, you know, silver blue eyed dog.
I'man just incredible. And she sees me in an apple,
and she went over and she discovered apples, and next thing,
I know, every apple that falls to the ground, she
ran over a dead top speed like you know, she
would run down anything in her path and scarf down

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an apple. She got a taste of fruit. Well, a
few months later, she sees me eat a BlackBerry, so
she runs over to the BlackBerry bush and got a
face full of thorns. So she followed me around and
watched me. This is the only thing she was smart about.
The dog was dumb as a stump. She used. She

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had a bad habit of like running up to other
dogs and acting aggressive, barking and snapping and then running
the other way as fast as she possibly could. What
does that do to another dog? The other dog chases
you and knocks you down and bites you and tries
to kill you. So I had thousands of dollars in
vet bills thanks to that dog. And she was a

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very greasy dog. Oily. She just ruined everything in the
house and in my vehicle. And that don't cost me
a fortune, actually, But I loved her and she loved me,
and you know, she would was one of those that
would just like sit for hours and hours and hours
with your head and with her head and your lap
and just want you to just rub her head, rub

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her head, rub her head, and she'd go to sleep,
and if you stop, she'd wake up and slam her
head back down your lap. I mean, she was she
had to have constant attention. But she saw me eat
a BlackBerry and she figured out if she pulled her
lips back and stuck her teeth out, she could pull

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a BlackBerry off the bush without getting thorns in her face. So, uh,
for the next five or seven or ten years, I
had that dog for almost twenty years. She ate every
single blueberry, I mean BlackBerry within a five mile radius
of the house. And not only had to pick apples

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off the tree rather than let them hit the ground,
but I had to run in front of this dog
whenever ohent the woods to gather blackberries before she ate
them all. And I mean she would eat ten gallons worth. Now,
when I was like sixteen seventeen, I learned how to

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make BlackBerry wine. And I would go out and gather
blackberries and crush them up and put a little yeast
and sugar in there and make BlackBerry wine. Yes it
was illegal, and yes I was a bad kid, but
I developed a strong taste for BlackBerry wine. There were
several years where the dog got more blackberries than I did,

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and we basically had to fight each other wrestle over
a BlackBerry bush. If you've never had wild blackberries, you
don't know what you're missing. Now, in my dad's old store,
the butcher grew raspberries. They're basically the same plant. It's
just two varieties, Okay. Now, raspberries are a more mild

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sweet flavor, slightly acidic, very very good. And so he
would bring in raspberries and we'd sell them by the pipe.
He also borrow in blackberries. They're all cultivated, the wild
ones very greatly in flavor. Sometimes you will get a
beautifully sweet BlackBerry and you're like, oh my gosh, this

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is the best thing I've ever eaten. Sometimes you'll get
ones that's tart and bitter. Sometimes they even have a
peppery flavor. They're a really remarkable plant, and I think
that's what makes them the favorite for me, because they
do have such a variation taste. Usually they're a very
nice balance of sweet and sour, but that little peppery note.

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You've ever had a really like high end peana noir
or charras or sirah, and I would probably say more
the sirah, the French version of the Australian charras, the
original sira It has this BlackBerry peppery flavor and that

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grape happens to have that, you know, flavor in it.
Blackberries really usually when they're in like poor soil soil
drier conditions, you know, smaller berries can get this really
peppery note to them, and you can make a BlackBerry
wine that's as fine as some of the most expensive

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wines that come out of France. Literally and I mean nobody,
nobody can buy that in a store. That is purely
one thing you can make yourself. And the only way
you can do it is plant back. Blackberries are fine blackberries,
and go out with a bucket and collect blackberries and

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eat them and find the ones that have that flavor.
And then all you do is crush them. And you
don't even have to add sugar. You know, if you
want a nice dry peppery wine, and it is peppery,
I mean it's like black pepper mixed with cherries. It's
like the most incredible flavor. Just crush them and add

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a little yeast or rely on the wild yeast, don't
even add anything. It's amazing. And I love blackberries, every
member of the family, and it's a big family. You
have loganberries, you have I don't even know three or
four varieties of blackberries. Black raspberry, which is really the
one I'm talking about. It's not a true BlackBerry. True

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blackberries or European American blackberries are actually black raspberries. But anyway,
let's get into this in terms of herbal value, and
it is a member of the rose family. So you know,
last week we did a whole show on roses and

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humudicinal values. Raspberry is actually a berry bearing rosebush. I mean,
if you look at the flowers, they actually look fairly
similar to wild rose, the white wild rose, but they don't. Blackberries. Well,
there's one variety that is finding come to think of it,

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but usually their bush form and they have spikes on them.
They have forms just like a rose bush wood. But
if you put the two side by side, you'd be
hard pressed to realize this was in the same family
unless you looked at the flower. But believe it or not,
there are one hundred and sixty two varieties of rubus

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or BlackBerry and raspberry that have documented use in herbal medicine.
Now think about that, one hundred and sixty two varieties. Obviously,
I can't get through all of them sufficient to say
you're gonna find BlackBerry, raspberry, black raspberry, dewberry, loganberry. Gosh,

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how many of them are there's so many. Most of
the berry forming plants in the United States, in the
North America in general, well up into Canada are of
the BlackBerry family. Your currants and gooseberries are introduced. Now
we do have introduced blackberries as well. We have European

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varieties that have naturalized. But most of the berry bushes
you're gonna find that have edible fruit will be BlackBerry. Now,
in some places you may have Oregon well, Oregon grape,
autumn olive. That's that's one. I like a lot that's
considered to be weedy and invasive and people try to

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get rid of it. I actually like autumn auto olive.
You know, Goji berries, Gilian berries. I mean, there's several
berry growing plants. There's even a variety of dogwood, Cornelian cherry.
There are lots of berry forming plants that are edible

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to some extent. I mean, like in terms of Oregon grape,
it's better made into a jelly than eat out of hand.
It's very bitter. But the vast majority of edible berry
forming plants will be either that's I guess that's the caveat.
I'm trying to think of either BlackBerry or a sumac,

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not the poison sumec, the edible sumac. Yeah, that's pretty widespread,
and well holly's. Of course, Hollies have berries, but they're
not edible. They'll make you have diarrhea and throw up
if you eat very many of them. Same with Pope Fiedlakia.
I'm trying to think if there's anything more widespread than BlackBerry,

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and I really don't think there is. I mean, if
you see something that has a berry on it, if
it's that, you know, BlackBerry or raspberry shape with all
a little segmented, you know parts of the berry, more
than likely it's edible. I mean, like ninety of the
time it's going to be edible. Do an idea on it,

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use your field guide or a phone plant app or whatever.
But I don't think I've ever been anywhere it's in
a really desert area where I didn't see blackberries. They're
just that common. And what's really really weird is people
are afraid to eat them because people haven't been taught
to eat wild fruit. I remember one time I was

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I was in a nice little town. Gosh, what a
weird town this is. If you're ever in, No, it's
not how Stanley County, Stanley County, North Carolina. I think
there is a little town called Baden bad It is

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one of the most unique towns in the entire United States.
It was founded by the French. Yeah, in North Carolina.
It was actually owned by a French company well into
the nineteen hundreds. Probably world War two was when it
changed hands. It was owned by the Aluminium Alfronseise Company,

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if I remember correctly. Bade has natural aluminum deposits and
a branch of the Pedee River, and they put up
a big mill there or aluminum aluminum mill, and they
could make airplane parts and parts for bombs and such

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as that. So in World War two, I think it
could have been World War One, but the it was
World War two. America. Well, the French basically went home
fight the war, and the American government took the town
and it became a factory town, a mill town. Everyone
who worked there and lived there was essentially a government employee,

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basically like oak Ridge, Tennessee, where they made the nuclear bombs,
I mean the atomic bombs of World War two. These
were the two places that were just like basically government
owned towns. There was a railroad going in and out,
and other than that, nobody was allowed in and out
of the town without government clearance. And the French had

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built this incredible opera house, beautiful opera house, fire stations, schools,
grant and architecture, and the first townhouses in the United States.
And all the people that worked in the French aluminum
factory lived in those townhouses. Well, when the Americans took over,

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it became you know, real high security and all that,
and for the most part they did live there, but
they were allowed them to have families and buy homes
and everything. So the town kind of grew and I
guess I'm not sure. Maybe the sixties, Alcoa bought the
aluminum plant and divested from the town, and the town

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just kind of went away. I mean, NAFTA aluminum all
comes in now from China, so you know, and Japan
they do a lot of aluminum. It went to a
real bad state and half the town was torn down
and there's hardly anything left of it anymore. But the
opera house is still there, and a few different things,

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and old condominiums or townhouses, and a gorgeous golf course.
They brought in Donald Ross, the greatest golf course designer
in American history, and build a beautiful golf course there,
like basically nobody knows about. It's like a PGA quality
golf course and nobody plays it. But they have a

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lake and the lake is totally contaminated by the aluminum
smelting process. But the people of the town of Baden
don't really seem to know that the Adkin River flows
right through there. It's one of the most beautiful places
in the face of the earth. Morrow Mountain is right there.
It's like the peak right above Baden. My grandfather did

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the stone work at Morrow Mountain. It's a very special
place to me and one of the absolutely most beautiful
places you will ever see. The fall colors there are
better than in the high Mountains where I live. And
it's like, I don't know, forty five minutes out of Charlotte,
maybe an hour out of Raleigh, and it's like the

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most pristine piece of paradise in the entire state of
North Carolina that no one's ever heard of. And it's
called Baden. Well in the lake, everybody goes swimming and
they have a big time and it's free, and you know,
I mean, it's one of the perks of living in Baden.
I mean yeah, because I mean everybody can swim and

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there's tons of water to fish. But like I said,
it's kind of contaminated and actually some of the people
over there are kind of weird. They may have with
some aluminum deposits going on in their brain. I don't know.
But anyway, I went over there one afternoon and there
were one hundred people swimming in the lake, you know,
just having a big time, kids playing, everybody having a

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good time. It's a beautiful Saturday afternoon. And one of
those like absolute Norman Rockwell paintings, you know. Well, all
in the woods around that lake were blackberries, big BlackBerry
I mean blackberries as big as your thumb. And so
I'm like, well, heck, I'm not getting in that water.
I'm not drinking that water, but I'm picking some blackberries.

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I had to compete with the geese for them, because
the geese were also eating blackberries. But I mean I
picked a bunch of blackberries, I mean pounds and pounds
of blackberries. And people were looking at me like I'm crazy.
They're like, you know, what are you doing. I'm like,
I'm picking blackberries. Those who may be poisonous. I'm like,
no of their blackberries. You think it's okay to swim

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in that water that's been contaminated by one hundred years
of chemicals from the smelting process of aluminum. But you're
letting the blackberries just sit out here for the geese
and raccoons. Are you insane? But you know, people don't
know what they don't know. As I always say, y'all
only know what you know. So going back to the

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medicinal use of blackberries, and if you do ever get
down there, man, I'm telling you Baden, there's an antique store.
Coy Privett used to own it. I'm sure he's passed away.
It was in his nineties when I last saw him
twenty years ago. It is the it is so great
it is. I mean, it is just one of those

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special places, just full of antiques from the seventeen to
eighteen hundreds in the early nineteen hundreds. And he was
such a cool guy too. We were talking. He found
out I played guitar, and he asked if I like
country music. I'm like, yeah, I mean I love country
mus Who's your favorite? Well, I said, Bob Wills and
Ank Williams and Hank Williams. That was his thing, you know.

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So when he was young, when he was in his
eighteen to twenty five year old period, he was actually
stationed in Nashville and he used to go to the
Grand Ole Opry three nights a week, and he had
a collection of Opry memorabilia. And what a great old
man he was. He gave it to me, he did.

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He gave me his Opry memorabilia, and what a fine fella.
And it is a cool place, it really is, the
old antique store. I'm sure it's still there, hopefully it's
still in his family. But there's the Indian Mounds down

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in Mount Gilead, big Indian. I cannot remember the name
of the tribe. That's when I'm stumbling over. Just a
few miles away there was a huge naive American settlement
and barrow grounds and all that. And that's in Mount Gilead.
That's just right down from Baden. The Baden Lake actually

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is a little bit closer over toward Albemarle, And I mean,
it's one of the prettiest, best lakes in North Carolina.
And it's also the home of the Yuari Mountains, which
may be the oldest mountain range on the face of
the Earth. Are older than the Rockies, older than the Appalachians,

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older than the Himalayas. Half the Golden Fort Knox came
out of. There was mine out there. I mean, it's
this is the rural pastoral wooded area. It was actually
John Kennedy. President Kennedy was very fond of it. He
turned part of it into a national forest. He was

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just so impressed with the old mountains that are worn
down to foothills and the old hardwoods and the furniture
they made there. They actually make the Kennedy Rocker. If
you ever get a chance to come to North Carolina.
There's a place between the mountains where I live, which
everybody knows is like the most beautiful place on the

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face of the earth obviously, and the coast and we
have some of the most beautiful beaches and the sounds
and inlets and great Dismal Swamp where you're gonna find
the Venus fly Trap. Between there's the Uari National Forest,
and that's where you're gonna find Baden and Troy and

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Bisco and Albemarle and Ashburo where the zoo is, and
you can really find just a unique place. It's literally
the oldest mountains on earth as as far as they've
known so far. People talk about ghosts and all kinds
of stuff. It's like it's a weird place. The people

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there are very strange. I gotta tell you, it's not
just the aluminum and such in the water. It's traditionally
been one of the poorest places in the entire United States.
A lot of Germans and Scots Irish settled there, and
a lot of inbreeding, and you'll find some really odd characters,

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but you'll also just find some of the best people
in the world. And yeah, if right now you can hear,
I'm congested, I'm hoarse. I'm congested. And that's because there
is something that grows in the Uari National Forest that
I have not been able to identify yet that I

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am allergic to, like beyond belief, and I spent a
few days there, you know, recently. I'm paying the price
for it. It is. I don't know what it is.
I have not identified the plant yet. It's false so
it's probably in the astra family astoratier whatever it is.

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I mean, there are literally plants that grow there that
don't grow anywhere else in the world. There are literally
mineral deposits there that don't appear anywhere else. So it's
the oldest mountain range on Earth. Right at the base
of Mora Mountain, where my grandfather laid the stone for
the walls and built the pavilion and the picnic areat.
I mean, you know, I love that place. At the

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base of it, it's one of the biggest deposits of
dinosaur bones in the entire United States. And just over
from that is one of the most significant sites for
Indian relics Native American relics. There's a stone there that
they would make into arrow heads and knives and such
that were traded throughout North America and even into South America.

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I mean, this is an ancient site. There were people
there ten thousand years ago making arrowheads and spears and
you know, trading them to other tribes even down in
New Mexico and South America. I mean, it's one of
the most unique and most beautiful places in the world.
There is an artist that lives right there. What is

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his name, Roger? Oh gosh, I can't remember Roger's last name.
Most probably the best painter in North America. I mean literally,
this is probably the best painter of landscapes in the
United States and dirt poor nobody knows who he is.

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Oh my gosh, I'm telling you, this guy could paint.
He could paint a wilderness scene, a cabin, a snowy Day.
He should be wow. I mean, he should be recognized
internationally and considered one of the greatest artists of all time.

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And he's basically barely scrape spy. I mean it's incredible. Absolutely,
I'm telling you, this is one of the most unique
places on the face of the earth. There's some darn
good barbecue restaurants down there, like Blue Smoke, I mean,
Pie Whispering Pine's Barbecue. I think it's an old one,

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the one down in P. D. Leffler's, Oh Man, I
think Leffler's is closed, but it was the very best.
If y'all get a chance to come to North Carolina
and you don't want to go to the mountains and
you don't want to go to the coast, and you
don't have to go to one of the cities, you've
got to go to the Juari Mountains. The Yuwaris are
just you'll never find any place like that anywhere on

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the face of the earth, because it's literally the oldest
mountain range on the face of the earth. And the
people are pretty great. Actually, you got to go to Bisco.
Bisco's a little town in Troy, and go to P. R.
Moore's produce. Stand you get some of the best best
fruits and vegetables, local stuff. I mean, it's just old man.

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See if Philip's still around, Philip More old friend of mine.
And yeah, you're gonna love You're gonna love that area.
Now there are three wineries. The wine is pretty awful.
I gotta tell you. The wine is pretty awful. And
the reason is they don't use the native blackberries and
the native muscanine grapes. They're growing peana, noater, cabinet, sa mignon, chardonnay.

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It's not good. It's no Maybe. Now it's my opinion.
And now I don't w anybody get upset with me.
Maybe there are some that are making better wine than
they did ten or twenty years ago. That's fine. But
I'm just telling you. As for scenery for fishing, for
recreation out there, there's a town called Eldorado. You know,

(36:45):
they call it Eldoredo. It's spelled like Eldorado, like city
of gold. There's so much gold steel under the ground
in that area. And you can just get out there
and for hundreds of acres, go horseback riding, camping, fish, wishing,
can see nobody. It is like so rural and remote.
It's just fantastic. So I guess that's my plug for

(37:09):
the Yuari region of North Carolina, which is actually the
dead center of the state. Speaking of which the actual
dead center of the state is, well, it's right between
it's right around Bisco. It's anyway, there's a great pottery

(37:30):
in that area, from like basically a little bit north
to from Bisco over to Samford that would be the
furthest Reach and then down into Moore County town John
Edwards was from I can't remember it off the top
of my head, anyway, fantastic pottery. It used to be

(37:50):
called jug Town. Some of the best stoneware in the
entire United States we found there and absolutely worth a trip. Again,
very weird people, a lot of inbreeding, but some of
the nicest people too, like my friend Ben Owen. Ben's

(38:11):
internationally known as one of the greatest potters in the
entire world. His glazes, he is this turquoise blue and
this bright red. Man that pottery is gorgeous. And there's
this big clay deposit up there between More County and
Randolph County and Montgomery County. And I mean again, if
you ever get a chancey, you want to get off

(38:31):
the beaten path. Yeah, go to what used to be
called Jugtown. It's due west of Carthage. And for some
reason I cannot remember the name of the town. That's
gonna bug me. Maybe I'll get it by the other show.
But yeah, See, if I was a tour guiy in
North Carolina, these are the places i'd take people to.

(38:54):
I'd take them to the inner banks, not the outer banks.
Outer banks are great, but we have foul of miles
of sounds. Sounds are you know inland salt Water where
towns have like thirty people. I mean, this is the
most economically depressed, empty, unpopulated area North Carolina, with the

(39:18):
best fishing and hunting, the most beautiful scenery, and there's
just I mean, nobody lives there anymore. It's incredible. If
I was going to do a tour, I'd take you
to places in the mountains that you cannot imagine. Like
a mountaintop. I know of this pure quartz crystal that
every evening when the sun goes down, just lights up

(39:41):
the entire valley in rainbows and was considered a sacred
site by the Cherokee. You don't know where this is,
and I'm not going to tell you where it is.
I'm not, but if I was taking you out on
a tour, I'd show you. I'd swear you to secrecy
or caves Undergrandpa Mountain that I've been lost in so

(40:02):
many times. I mean, I could take you to waterfalls
that are not on the maps. Little communities that have
bluegrass and old time music on Saturday nights and they
just get together and play music until three o'clock in
the morning and they go home, get two hours sleep,

(40:23):
and go to church. And they do it every single
week and it's the best music. Little blues get togethers
in old rural black communities that you're gonna be the
only white person there if you're white. I was usually
the only white person there. You know, old barbecue joints,
old diners, old bars, taverns, fishing villages where people speak Gaelic.

(40:50):
I mean literally, yeah, there are actually fishing villages, and
there's some in the northern part of the state where
people speak Gaelic, and there's some in the southern part
of the state where people will speak French. I would
take you to places that are said to be haunted.
I definitely take you to the Yuaris, Civil War battlefields,

(41:11):
Revolutionary World battlefields, and places that are like, You're like,
is this even the United States? I mean, there's a
place where most there's a community down about towards Blade
and Brunswick County where people still speak French, and you're like,

(41:32):
am I even in the United States? Or you go
to Ash County where people speak Scottish Gallic and play
fiddles and banjos, and you're like, is this even the
twentieth first century? You know, thank god we still have that,
because it's pretty much gone. Even here, it's dwindled down.

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But in I mean, in most states it has gone.
But there are still places I could take you where
people have lived almost the exact same way for two
hundred years or three hundred years, and their heritage is
all marriages from first cousins, and sometimes it can get

(42:17):
a little crazy and a little dangerous. Some of these
are not even remote places like Pembroke right off of
I ninety five in Robinson County, And I could take
you to areas out in Lumbee Country where everybody's been
a first cousin for five hundred years and they're insane

(42:38):
and they're sweet and they all carry a knife or
a razor blade, and they're ready to fight at the
blink of a minute. They blink of an eye in
a minute's time, and they're the nicest people in the
face of the earth if they like you, and if
they don't like you, they're going to be the scariest
people you've ever met. And it's just wonderful. It's just

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you find an old shack with a dog run underneath it,
which means you know, there's no foundation. These old shacks
were built up on brick or stone. Usually they're sitting
about three feet off the ground, and there's no plumbing
coming into the house. There's no wiring coming into the
house from underneath you. Normally they will have a wire

(43:22):
run to it, at least in the nineteen fifties, but
they caught a dog run. The dogs just run in
and out under the house. The chickens peck around and
you'll find in that house in Gosh, Robinson County, Blade
and Brunswick. So many I mean, I could I probably

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know everywhere in North Carolina. There is up around Eden,
yeah up and yeah, old Charlipool Country. You find one
of those old houses and there's gonna be someone in
there whose parents and grandparents and great grandparents and great
great great parents that lived there. And they've got to
field out back, and they grow airline vegetables you can't

(44:04):
buy in a store, and they go out and hunt
and fish for most of their food. And you come
in and they're going to tell you to spend the night.
They're gonna give you a place to bed down, maybe
on the floor, maybe on the porch. They're gonna feed
you like you've never been fed. There's probably gonna be
some homemade liquor. There's probably gonna be the most beautiful

(44:27):
girl you've ever seen in your life, who's gonna really
take a liking to you. I can tell you stories, man,
Could I tell you stories about those Lumbee girls. Lumbies
are a unique tribe in that there are a mix
of Native American, African American, and a lot of English

(44:48):
and Scotts, Irish and every now and then, I mean,
there's a reason that probably two thirds of the miss
North Carolinas in the past twenty years have been Lumby
dear gorgeous. I mean, a lot of them are, you know,
fat and kind of rough around the edges, every now

(45:08):
and then you've seen one that's just like the most
beautiful girl you've ever seen in your life, and I
mean the most beautiful girl you've ever seen in your life.
And sometimes they have red hair and green eyes with
olive colored skin, and that's just like whoa. I mean,
that's just like stop traffic, you know. And that may

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be why a lot of those knife fights happen out
in the cornfields. It is not uncommon and at all
to meet a lumbe that's missing half of their ear.
And I can say this because I'm part of long myself,
but they're missing half of their ear because their tradition
is a knife fight in the cornfield. I ran to

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a cop in where was a Southern Pine starth Carolina,
really kind of upscale place anyway, stopped into a place
to get to a tire change, and a really great guy.
He was really into Dave Canterbury and all like the
bushcraft type stuff. So when he found out I was

(46:11):
an herbalist, he wanted to ask me everything about every plant.
We went outside and I spent well, they were changing
my tire and everything. I spent about an hour and
a half teaching him about the plants in his county
and he was just thrilled. He was retired Marine deputy sheriff,
super tough guy, an MMA fighter, but he loved the

(46:35):
woods and everything. And I asked him, I said, where
are you from? And he was from the next county
over and that's more getting into the Lumbee country. And
I said, what brought you up here? He said, well,
you know, when I got out of the service, I
was a cop there and it's kind of rough. And

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I said, well, you know, I kind of grew up
in Robinson County. I think I know what you're talking about.
And he's like, yeah, man, you get it. He said,
I went out one night and we got a call.
This fellow had been cut and it was a lum couple.
This is what Lumbies called themselves. By the way, it's

(47:16):
lomb really outside of the tribe, you don't say lumbye.
You just say Lomb unless you're be informal. Anyway, he
said it was a lum couple and he had been
cheating on her and she cut him from one end
of his spinal cord to the other with a razor blade,
laid him open. He was pouring out spinal fluid. We

(47:40):
barely saved his life. We arrested her put her in
the back of the car. Before we got the station,
she had gotten out of the handcuffs and pulled out
the razor blade she had hidden under her tongue and
was slicing it. Us. I can say this because my

(48:03):
great grandmother was Lumby. We come from a rough side
of the state. Her father was known as Devil Jim.
Devil Jim was a gunfighter and a gambler and a moonshiner.
And I don't know how many people he killed, but
and as best I can tell, it was at least

(48:23):
in the dozens. You do not mess with a lum
If you see an Indian and by what I mean
reddish brown skin, olive to red skin, black hair with
blue or green eyes. If they're not smiling, run like hill.

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And I mean when they're smiling. The Lumbee people are
the best people on earth literally, I mean, the friendliest,
most generous, most giving. But if you give, if you're
on the outs, if you cross him, you better be
ready to fight or run. And I mean that is

(49:08):
Lumbee culture and I love it. Why do I love it? Well?
Once it's part of my heritage. Two, it's very much
like the Hillbilly culture that I come from in the
mountains of North Carolina. That's my dad's side of the family. Three.
The fifty thousand member Lumbee tribe of North Carolina has

(49:28):
endorsed Donald Trump, and we will never at this state.
As long as Donald Trump or JD. Vance's in office,
North Carolina's going to be a pretty solid Republican state.
The Red Men of North Carolina made North Carolina a
red state. And why am I proud of that? Because

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I grew up under the shadow of the k Klux Klan.
The ku Klux Klan is the military wing of the
Democratic Party. The Lumbies and Night I think it was
about sixty two nineteen sixty two, fought a shooting war
with the q Klux Klan. The Lumbies of North Carolina

(50:13):
turned North Carolina into a Republican Maga state, and I
am so proud of them, and so did the Hillbillies.
All of western North Carolina is solid Republican. I am
so proud of my people on every side, from the
Scots Irish of the mountains to the Lumbs and Creole

(50:39):
and French on the coast and a little bit English.
I am so proud of my people. I mean, they
may be the roughest, the most clannish, the most difficult,
unpredictable people on earth, but in my opinion, they are

(51:06):
absolutely beautiful. The Lumbies, the Hallela Sapony, the Walka Malls,
the Chikora, the Katawbin tribes, the Cherokee tribes, fought, lived,
died almost I mean, Andrew Jackson tried to exterminate them.

(51:35):
And here we are two hundred and fifty years after
the found of the United States, and Donald Trump's in
the White House and JD. Vance is going to be
the next president because of the cussedness, as they say,
of the Lumbee people and related Katoban tribes. And I

(52:00):
love them. I love them with every bit beat of
my heart. I love them. I grew up with a
great grandmother that said, don't you momic that up. Now,
if there's a Lumbee that hears that, they're gonna know,
I'm legit. He bees and she bees and we bees,

(52:22):
and get me a cup of elik. You know, I
bet you've eaten some blessed sausage before in your life
as well. Anyway, y'all, I ought to talk about blackberries
before I go on too long. My voice is about gone.
So anyway, back in the ancient Greece, ds Cordies wrote

(52:48):
blackberries under the name Badis, and he said it was
used as a popular hair dye in ancient Greece. Well,
in Greece, most people have black hair. In the Americas,
the Native Americans, the Lumbes and Jerokees for instance, catawb
and tribes, et cetera. You sage people have always been vain.

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People always die their hair. He said that the tops
of the plants used as a drink basically a tea
at a coction, would stop the flow of the intestines
and excess the menstrul flows are good for diarrhea and
excessive menstrul bleeding. Actually, there was a mythological snake in

(53:31):
ancient Greece known as the prester, and apparently they thought
there was blackberries could cure that snake bite of a
snake that didn't exist. But that isn't as weird as
you think, or as uncommon. It is weird, But there
are also mythical snakes in Cherokee herbal medicine. If you
dream of a snake. You get an illness, You know

(53:51):
that kind of thing. It's weird, but anyway, the leaves
are two distinctive strengthen the teeth and gums help with
dry mouth. The leaves supplied restrained herpes or other viral
skin infections. He'll running altars on the head, drooping eyes, venera,
warts and hemorrhoids pounded in small pieces and applied. They

(54:15):
are available for gastritis and heart conditions. The juice from
the bruised stalks and leaves stirred in the sun does
better for all purposes previously mentioned. I don't know why
that would be. Maybe warming of the sun you got
more of the estringent extract out of it. Probably the

(54:35):
juice of the thoroughly ripe fruit put into oral medicines,
eaten when half ripe stops, discharges of the intestines, and
the flowers taking us a drink with wine stop the boughs.
So good for diarrhea. Again interesting, let's get up to
about eleven hundred. Let me get sip of water real quick.

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Saint Hilligard von Bingen was very fond of blackberries or dewberries,
and she said, if you had sores, in your tongue
or if it was swollen. It was good. And actually
what she would use was actually take the thorn of
the plant and make a small cut in the tongue

(55:23):
and it would help drain out the fluids or mucus
as she called it, the pus, but it was also
a stringent and would help stop bleeding caused by that.
Hopefully you never have to do that. I did one time,
I actually did. I had, I guess I was about
sixteen seventeen, had a science infection at the back of

(55:46):
my tongue. I got a swollen nodule as you might
call it, a spot that was swollen up and turned
whitish yellow and was very obviously infected. I didn't use
a BlackBerry. I used a pin and I scratched it
and scratched and split it, pressed all the infection out

(56:06):
of it, and then used listerine several times a day.
And I hope you never have to do that. It
was not pleasant. It hurt. It hurt real bad. But
I couldn't afford to go to a doctor, and that's
what I had to do it because my father left me,

(56:27):
and you know, it was very very poor. So there
you have it. If the worms eat a person or animal,
pulverized bramble and place the powder in the flesh where
the worms are eating, so that would be maggots. The
worms will die and the person will be healed. If
a person's lungs are ailing and he has a chest cough,

(56:50):
he should take fever few and a little less bramble,
and even less hissip, and smaller amounts of oregano. Those
are all very good antibacterial, anti inflammatory, septic plants. So
there's a good, very good recommendition. A recommendation. He should
boil this in good wine with honey, straight through a cloth.
Honey's also antibacterial. Wine is as well, and drink a

(57:14):
little after immoderately. Later he may drink more of it
after a full meal, and it'd be a little bitter
sour sweet. Wouldn't be half bad. Actually, Saint Hiligar's very
big on her infuse wines. She says the dewberry fruit
harms you the healthy Norse sick person, and is easily digested,

(57:39):
but it was not as medicinal as the wild BlackBerry gerard.
In the fifteen hundreds said the young buds or tender
tops of the bramble bush. The flowers will leaves, the
unripe fruit do very much dry and bind with all
being chewed. They take away the heat and inflammation in
the mouth. And the almonds are swollen glands in the throat.

(58:00):
They stay the bloody flucks and all other fluxes and
all manners of bleeding, and the same forces in their
decoction with a little honey. Ad so you didn't have
to take a bitter and salary could had a little honey,
he said. The heal the eyes that hang out. That's scary.
I don't I've never had an eye that hangs out.

(58:21):
I'm thinking he may mean when the eyes are like
kind of bulging, and that would be due to the astringency.
And wow, heal the eyes that hang out. That's just
awful to think about. I don't know. But also good
for hard knots in the fundament. What is a fundament,

(58:43):
you may ask you ever heard of the perineum? That's
the fundament. And if you get a hard not there
probably not gonna be very pleasant. Good for hemorrhoids, especially
if the leaves be laid upon them or they're unto
the juice which is pressed out of the stalks, leaves

(59:05):
and unripe berries made hard, and the sun is effectual
for all those things. The ripe fruit is sweet and
containeth in it much juice of temperate heat. Therefore, it
is not unpleasant to be eaten. In other words, blackberries
are danggud. It also has certain stringens and binding quality.

(59:26):
It is likewise for that cause it is wholesome for
the stomach. He says, the root is binding um. He
mentions that Pliny the Elder said the flowers provoke urine,
so a good diuretic. The leaves boiled in water and
honey with alum and a little wine make an excellent

(59:48):
lotion or washing water for sores in the mouth, the
privy parts or genitals, and to fasten or tighten loose's teeth. Interesting, huh.
Cold pepper about one hundred years later said it's prickly,
and it was prickly because it was from the house
of Mars. He was, I don't let me readjust myself

(01:00:11):
of this chair that's going to sleep, maybe trying to
wrap up the podcast when my foot goes asleep. He
said he was really into astrology and all that. But anyway,
he said it was good for bloody flux and last
and a good remedy for spitting of blood. Decoxy powder
taking would drive forth the gravel and stone from the

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kidneys and rains. The leaves and brambles are good green
and dry as lotions are sores in the mouth and
secret parts with dried branches does much bind the belly
and is good for too much following of women's courses.
The berries and flowers are a powerful remedy against the
poison of most venomous serpents. Well, so we're back to

(01:00:56):
serpents more modern. Miss Greeb said, Wow, she lists as
I said, they're like one hundred and forty and medicinal
herbal medicine. So she lists a bunch and then finally,
the root and bark and leaves contain much tannin and
have long been esteemed as a capital astringent and tonic,

(01:01:20):
providing a valuable remedy for disinterior and diarrhea. The root
is more astringent. She has a great recipe for BlackBerry vinegar,
which is very good as a salad dressing. Basically, just
put blackberries and vinegar. Yeah, it's that easy. And let's

(01:01:40):
see an Irish Herbel says the bramble or BlackBerry. The
tops and young blood buds cure sores and ultars of
the mouth, throat and uvula, and held in the mouth
and chewed secure loose teeth. A decoction of those effective
in stopping diarrhea, minstrul discharge janine blood flow. The roots

(01:02:02):
provoke urine and break up the bladderstone. The crush leave
cures piles. Raspberry and application of the flowers bruised with
honey is beneficial for inflammations of the eyes, burning fevers
and boils. Decoction is good is useful for weak stomachs.
The fruit is good for the heart and for diseases
of the mouth and father napes. Protege brother Alowishus said

(01:02:25):
BlackBerry the leaves have a very stringent effect. They should
be picked before the shrub blooms. The infusion of the
leaves and young stems is good for diarrhea, dysentery, leucoreas,
sore throat, swalling, gums, inflammation, tonsils and thrush. Fresh bruise
leaves are very beneficial on old sores and exima. The
herb should be placed on the affected area and specifically

(01:02:47):
for raspberry says the infusion of the leaves is a
famous remedy for diarrhea and dysytia, especially if these complaints
occur in summer, and is also highly recommended for abdominal
pain in children and minstrual disorders. I don't think there's
a lot more to say. I mean, I've got father
Napes notes on it. The Ashkenazi Jews made a drink

(01:03:14):
of raspberry vines, actually the vines, the stems ground up
with danielizing carrots with camel mill and was considered to
be a mother's cure for hepatitis. I don't know, I
don't know at all. Actually in Poland, BlackBerry syrups, wines

(01:03:35):
and cordials were medicinal for coughs, and it's a good
cough remedy absolutely. In Russia still very popular. Let's see
Igor what was his name, Villovich something I don't know,
said that it was good for respiratory inflammations and skin inflammations.

(01:03:58):
Decoction used for off quinsy tonsils, high fever. Root decoction
was even more effective for diarrhea and colic. Native American
use we see here BlackBerry used by the Cherokee for

(01:04:20):
irregular urination and as a wash to take coating off
the tongue, and for summer complaints, which are usually diarrhea
and fevers. Here's when I say, like Cherokee medicine has
some odd things about, like imaginary snakes, or such as
that an ingredient in the medicine for menstruating women who

(01:04:44):
dream of giving birth to animals or unnatural beings. Or
if two sisters have babies and one of the sisters
dies and the other can nurse the baby's sister the
sister's baby, sorry, but can when we do so, if
the baby takes medicine before suckling, and that was made
from BlackBerry. A lot of times I'm just like, Okay,

(01:05:10):
I just kind of shake my head and I'm like
I have no idea what they're talking about, but maybe
you do, you know whatever, Yeah, blackberriers ruts for BlackBerry,
black raspberry. I should say it was used for toothaches
and dewberry specifically, specifically, the Virginia variety was used for hemorrhoids.

(01:05:34):
Thomsonian System of Medicine. I don't see a thing we
haven't discussed before. King's Medical Suspensatory of eighteen ninety eight.
Let me see if there's anything I need to mention.
I doubt it. Plant possesses a stringent medical properties. Yep,
it does. Action's medicinal uses A stringent infusion the bark

(01:06:00):
of the roots or the leaves. Excellent remedy for diarrhea, dysentery,
including chronic dysentery, cholera, relaxed conditions of the intestines, passive
hemorrhage of the stomach, bowels or uterus, etc. Yeah, good
for actually goner rhea, gleat lukorea, prolapse, uteri, and ani.

(01:06:21):
So it's tightening. It's a stringent. They go on quite
a bit about bowel conditions, which I think we've discussed thoroughly.
I think we have discussed enough about the bowels today.
Is there anything here? I got jethro Claus, I got, oh,
he and nice raspberry tea recipe. One ounce of the

(01:06:45):
dried herb with a handful of fresh leaf, so dried
and fresh, covered with boiling water, steep for fifteen minutes
and add a little honey. I'm sure that would be delicious.
I need to mention something about raspberry leaf tea here
in a minute. Plants for a future, so we're in
modern use. Oh gosh, they list twenty some varieties of blackberries,

(01:07:09):
but it's all about the same. It's stringent, good for diarrhea,
good for excess and menstrual bleeding, good for all you know,
mouth and throat issues and coughs. And Peterson Field Guide
says a stringent leaf tea for diarrhea dysentery used to
strengthen pregnant women, and that's what I need to mention.

(01:07:30):
Also good for painful menstrual cramping. They get to black
raspberry to say the same thing, but also good for
black back pain. And as a female tonic. Well, okay,
most websites and magazines and books that deal with herbs
for what we might call women's issues, you know, women's

(01:07:55):
medicine recommend raspberry leaf or BlackBerry leaf or something like
that during pregnancy to tonify the uterus. Okay, that's a
really good advice. And as I always say, I do
not specialize in herbs for women's conditions and complaints and

(01:08:15):
all that. You need to go to somebody who does
if you want to know expert advice on that. What
I can tell you is one of the only issues
with herbal medicine in the last one hundred years in
the United States was a woman who read one of
those articles in a women's magazine about using raspberry leaf

(01:08:36):
tea during pregnancy. It would help with you know, all
kinds of good stuff. Right. She was the first time mother,
she was doing everything by the book. We all know
what I'm talking about. She was obsessive and instead of
drinking a cup or two a day, she drank more
than a gallon and a half a day, and that

(01:08:59):
result in miscarriage and nearly killed her. There were some
I think some lawsuits involved after that, and basically it
came down to we never told you to drink a
gallon a half a day. Okay, you will severe, you
can die if you drink more than a gallon of
water a day. Forget if there's an herb in it.

(01:09:19):
But if there's an herb in it, you're also getting
extra medical doses like like imagine if you went and
took two ASPIREN but instead of taking two aspiren, you
took the whole bottle. That's what we're talking about here.
So always remember in herbal medicine, even if it's something
is safe and reliable and just kind of running the

(01:09:42):
meal with raspberry leaf tea. Use some freaking common sense, people.
Just because someone says it will work, it doesn't mean
it works if you take it by the swimming pool
load okay, five gallon car boy poured down. You don't
do that. Act like you got some sense. And you know,

(01:10:07):
pure herbalists will have lawsuits against them and the government
will have less reason to control what we do and
shut us down if you just act like you are
accompanying human being. So that's my disclaimer, and now we're
going to lead into the normals disclaimer you hear at
the end of the show, which should make you laugh.

(01:10:27):
It makes me laugh anyway, y'all have a going out
on to you next time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
The information this podcast is non intended to diagnose or
treat any disease or condition. Nothing I say or write
has been evaluated or approved by the FDA.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
I'm not a doctor.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
The US government does not recognize the practice of verbal medicine,
and there is no governing body regulating herbalists. Therefore, I'm
really just a guy who says RBS. I'm not offering
any advice. I won't even claim that anything I write
or say is accurate or true. I can tell you
what Earth have been traditionally used for. I can tell
you my own experience, and if I believe in herb
has helped me, I cannot, nor would I tell you

(01:11:07):
to do the same. If you use an herb anyone
recommends you are treating yourself, you take full responsibility for
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