November 8, 2024 • 57 mins
Hello there, Star Wars fans and welcome to episode 237.
Our headline story this week feels like a twisted, nightmarish trip down memory lane that we've gone down many times before. Once again, Lucasfilm has a new trilogy of Star Wars films in the works with X-Men alum Simon Kinberg at the helm. With so many writers and directors coming on then leaving over the years you can forgive the cynical tone here.
Elsewhere in the galaxy, Skeleton Crew dropped it's latest trailer with a unique vibe, an update on every SW game in development and finally, Star Wars gets its first transgender Stormtrooper - Sister.
The news stories from around the galaxy that we discussed on this episode...
- Star Wars unveils first look of its first trans woman stormtrooper called 'Sister' with armour in the colour of the transgender flag | Daily Mail Online
- The new Star Wars: Skeleton Crew trailer is heavy on Spielberg vibes
- Every upcoming Star Wars game officially announced | Space
- Star Wars New Movie Trilogy: Simon Kinberg Writing
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This is your weekly Star warspodcast and welcome to episode 237.
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My name is Gary.
I'm one of your hosts here atsor and before I bring on my co hosts,
just want to say I hope you'vehad a good Star wars couple of weeks
because we are drowning in asea of just mediocrity in the old
Star wars news.
At the minute, not much iskicking around, so I wouldn't say
we're down to the wood yetafter we scraped the barrel a few
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times.
But yeah, it's really, reallyquiet out there.
So we've got a couple of bitscoming up in terms of skeleton crew
and whatnot, but films andother TV shows.
Yeah.
But we have managed to get afew new stories together.
So coming up in today'sepisode, we've got some news that's
just laughable until we getsome more concrete information on
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this one.
We've been down this roadbefore, so we're going to get, you're
going to get our views on thatone, some gaming updates.
We're going to talk about theSkeleton Crew trailer that dropped
the other day, which lookspretty good.
And then we're going to finishup with this.
It's one of those new storiesthat does the rounds every time on
this subject over the lastyear or two in Star wars.
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So we'll get to that as well.
As I said, my name is Gary andjust very quickly before I bring
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To kickstart your weekendsoff, let's bring on the dude who
I need to chat About Star wars with.
It's the scoundrel of the galaxy.
It's the guy that's making thegalaxy a better place.
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One cantina pub crawl at atime, eh?
It's Mr.
Mark Asquith.
How you doing, dude?
Not bad, geezer.
Not bad.
It is a little bit quiet onthe old Star wars front, isn't it?
Big time.
And it's also like more of thesame old as well.
See, it's funny that in it,it's like goes round and round the
yearly cycle like this.
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Yeah, it really is.
Like, it's a constant streamof apathetic bullshittery.
It's almost.
Still could be fun.
You had a good week, dude.
You watched anything Star Warsy?
How are you getting.
What's the last book youstarted reading?
It was.
I'm on that.
That Empire one.
Anna.
That's it Rising.
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All of it.
It's really good, man.
Like, it pulls in from itliterally everything that's canon
as of now.
It just really, like, pulls infrom everything.
It is.
It's quite fascinating, actually.
Kev mentioned it as being agood book.
And it is fascinating becauseof how it does what it does.
Like, it sort of.
It'll take, like, little plotpoints and that.
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You sort of, you know, likecertain pop plot points from, like,
the original trilogy, for example.
It does this with other thingsas well.
But let's just take the OT asan example, and it will.
It will.
Like, they've been bugalooksfor retconning stuff, but it sort
of retcons stuff in, like, acommon sense way, almost like as
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if this happened in real life,which is quite cool.
So it's like, okay, here's whyVader was, like, underneath Tarkin,
but not really when the.
You know, when Lucas realizedthat he was the star of the show.
After A New Hope, let'sexplain in canon why he suddenly
became the star of the show.
So it was sort of.
It's good, but it pulled.
It literally pulls fromeverything, man.
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The comics, the Crimson dawncomics, Crimson Rain stuff, all the
TV shows.
And I always find it tellingas well that, I mean, this is Horizon,
Fall of the Empire, but it'sset after.
As if it's been told after thefirst order guff and mate.
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There's all.
It's always the same.
Like, there's no timededicated to that stuff.
Like, I'm 3/4 of the waybeyond, 3/4 of the way into it.
And it's like, okay, we're atthe Battle of Endor, and they still
Got to dig into some of thefirst order stuff and then obviously
exegol the.
The follow up stuff.
So it's.
I don't know, man.
It just shows to me.
It just shows how justnarratively weak all that is.
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It just really does.
We've said it before, like,but with the.
The prequel stuff.
Love or love the politicalaspect of it at least it was complex.
At least it was interesting todissect in other media know.
Whereas this is just like,well, Emperor's back.
So it's.
Yeah, I just think they'restruggling to fill it with.
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With.
Yeah, just.
It's like there's almostnothing to tell, you know.
Oh dear.
Yeah, it's interesting.
What about you, man?
Done anything?
Just finished up since we last spoke.
Oh, a week before last.
I finished up that season one of.
Of Rebels.
I started watching that.
I think it's the anniversary, right?
10 years or something.
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I can't remember that.
First season's really cool,you know, with that.
That sort of undertone of.
Of as they.
It's about Ezra, of course,but it's really cool.
Some of the.
The stuff around what's hisface with a ponytail, what's his
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name, you know, the Jedi?
Kieran.
Yeah, Kanan.
That's it.
Yeah, it's really cool.
His, his relationship withEzra and you know, his loss of patience
with him and how he sort oftries to.
Yeah, it's just some reallygood characters building in that
first season.
I know the other seasons arereally cool when you start to get
into Thrawn a little bit andsome of the other bits with Fulcrum
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and Ahsoka and stuff, it'svery cool.
It's.
But I don't know, it's justgot a really nice vibe to it.
It's like a lot of peopleviewed that as a.
As a bit of a one or the other.
It's like you either watch theClone wars or you watch Rebels and
they do very different stylesand stuff, but I think complement
each other quite well as yougo through and you see the bigger
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picture there.
But yeah, it's a good season.
That first one sounds good.
Other than that.
Dude, I've got done now, elseI've got a.
I need to get back on to StarWars Outlaws.
I'm about, I don't know, 60 ofthe way through that.
70 maybe through that, butneed to get back on that.
That's pretty cool.
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So, yeah, a couple of bits.
Nothing too crazy.
Couple of things.
Couple of questions.
Here we go.
You're not going to Lose your job.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, right, dude, thisnews first.
This first news story is Ican't wait to get your action to
this one.
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So if you re.
If you've read the show noteslistener, you'll know that this one's
a little bit of a.
A trip down memory lane thatwe've been down here many times before.
So the breaking news story iswe have a new trilogy of Star wars
films in the works with a newwriter, slash overseer, showrunner,
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whatever you want to call them.
It's the dude that's handledthe X Men films, Simon Kinberg.
I think he directed them orproduced them or both, or he was
heavily involved in that stuffand, you know, better luck to him.
You know, got your X Men stuffkicking around.
All good.
Kath has roped him in to.
To do some new films.
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Now Lucasfilm or Cath haven'tcome out and said, yep, thumbs up.
This is exactly what's happening.
But this, you know, the newsis over every single blog, media
outlet, everything.
So it's.
It's basically happening.
The only thing that's notreally concrete yet, dude, is some
outlets are saying that thisis the next trilogy after the Rise
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of Skywalker.
So Rey's stuff is done.
That's all put to bed.
This is going to be set Godknows how many years after the end
of that film with some newcharacters, new stuff going on, all
the rest of it.
Other people have said thatthis is a direct continuation with
Rey, So this is a new trilogyof films with Rey's new era of Jedi
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training and all that stuff,and that it links directly into some
of the other films that arebeing worked on.
So it's going to merge alittle bit with New Jedi Order, all
that sort of stuff.
So that's the.
That's the crux of this.
There's not much else in termsof details.
Like I said, Lucasfilm haven'tofficially said it, but it's basically
happened.
So, Simon Kinberg, dude, whatare your thoughts on this?
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This bombshell?
Just completely.
Just not really that fussed.
You know, not both.
It's like, at all.
Well, there's a couple of things.
Like, it's not been announcedby Star wars or Disney, so I saw
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a, you know, pinch of salt,but, you know, let's assume it is
true.
Cool.
Like, it's just not at thepoint where you think I'm gonna get
excited about it because we'veseen all the crap that's gone before
it.
And plus, like, Kimber's areally Weird choice.
Right?
So I like Simon Kinberg to adegree, but what do you mean?
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To the news reports that he'sgoing to write and produce.
So what I thought I'd do ishave a look at his filmography because
I like the guy.
I do.
I like summary stuff.
Right.
To a degree.
So what I'm going to do istalk to you about the stuff where
he was just the producer andthen the stuff that he was writer
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and producer on, and we'll seeif we can spot a distinct difference.
All right, so the stuff thathe was just the producer on.
X Men First Class.
Cool.
Elysium.
Neil Blomkamp film.
Cool.
Chappie.
Great film.
The Martian.
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Great film.
Deadpool.
Great film.
Logan.
Great film.
Deadpool 2.
Great film.
The New Moon Mutants gets alot of.
A lot of praise, actually,after the fact.
And then some TV stuff.
Just the producer.
Designated Survivor.
Great stuff.
Legion got some decent reviews.
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Now the stuff that he waswriter and producer on Jumper, I
actually watched that recently.
Not amazing, but that'sprobably because I like Aidan Christensen
and actually sort of give it abit of a pass.
There's a future past.
All right, you can have that one.
That was a good one.
That was a good one.
And then we get to Fantastic Four.
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We'll get to X Men Apocalypse.
We get to Dark Phoenix.
Not good.
Then we start to look into.
Wait a second.
He's done some rebel stuff.
Twilight of the Apprentice.
Fantastic.
Really good.
With Dave Filoni and Stephen Melchin.
So he's sort of a mixed bag dude.
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Mixed bag.
My view would be, if there's agood director in place, all well
and good.
All well and good.
If he's writing in the Filonispace and Filoni is helping with
that, could be all well and good.
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If he's got free reign andhe's writing and producing.
A little bit nervy.
A little bit nervy.
So.
This is not the.
Not the reaction, I think.
I don't think that Lucasfilmand Star wars expect.
But it's their own fault.
Exactly.
And so he was gonna write the.
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He was writing the script forthe Boba Fett film, remember, back
in the day, and he recommendedJosh Trank to direct that one.
Now, Josh Tran was a realweird one because he was.
He was recommended to directthe Boba Fett film and he did the
Fantastic Four film.
But did he.
Was he the one that did.
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Was he the one that did.
What's that?
Superhero movie Chronicle,which was amazing.
Which clearly him and K.
That that movie and Kimberggot him the Fantastic Four gig and
that was just shite.
So it's.
I don't know, man.
I just hope it's not.
I hope it's not like, guess what?
Big news.
We brought Josh Trunk in to dothe directing.
You know, I mean, I'm just abit worried about it all.
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So.
Yeah, you know, a bit of adeep dive there, man, but I just.
I'm just bored, man.
I'm just bored of it.
Like, it's genuinely puttingme off.
Star Wars.
It really is.
Like, if it wasn't for thebooks, I don't think I'd do anything.
Star wars at the minute.
I genuinely think I'd just beout of it because they're battering
us.
They are battering us.
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Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?
If we rewind, you know whenthe whole buyout thing.
When Disney bought Lucasfilmand Star wars at the same time as
them buying them out, theyannounced the new films, the new
trilogy of films, andeverybody lost their mind.
It was like the best news ever.
Like a new trilogy of Starwars films.
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And it was just amazing.
Like from that moment on, thehype train was just at full speed
right from the get go.
And it was so cool.
It was amazing.
That build up to the ForceAwakens, really cool.
Fast forward to now.
We've got an announcement forthree new Star wars films.
And everyone's like, yeah.
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Innit, whatever, just don'tget it.
And I feel as if it's likenumber one because of the sequels,
but also just the lack of cohesion.
You know what I just don't get?
And I'm sure it's happeningbecause, like, well, I'm sure it's
happening, but I don't knowwhy it's not delivering anything
right.
I just don't know whysomeone's not sitting down and all.
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Everyone sat down, just going,right, let's just tell a story.
Let's just tell a story andlet's just get it over the line.
And like, obviously our studiomeddling is not working.
So why don't we just step backjust a touch from that?
Because it's clearly notworking and I just don't know.
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I just don't know why.
And that's as we know thatstarted with a sequel, so it started
with the sequels.
But I do think the fans are toblame a little bit because whatever's
put out there, people don't like.
True.
It's just in a mess, man.
I just feel like you mightJust need.
We've talked about this before.
It's never going to happenbecause of the money trend.
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But just have, like, fiveyears off.
Just don't do anything.
Just kill everything.
Put some books out, whatever,but just kill everything.
And then come back and said,you know what?
We screwed up a little bit here.
Let's go.
But again, you've always gotthis problem with the sequel.
Trilogy.
Yeah.
It's the thorn, isn't it?
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Yeah.
In the.
Yeah.
The other.
The other thing that'sprobably playing a lot of people's
minds is that how long is thisgoing to last for?
Because that's the other thingwith not so much the films themselves,
but the actual people theybring in to make them.
So, you know, we just had thislong string of people that they've
announced who have coming.
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Who are coming in to write aStar wars film or a Star wars trilogy
of films.
And then you either just don'thear anything.
Remember the Rian Johnsontrilogy of films?
That was.
That was net.
They never actually said that.
We've canceled that.
So technically, that's notbeen canceled.
That's still in the thing.
Well, they said this week, actually.
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That was gonna search.
They said this week it's justbecause he's doing Knives out stuff.
Once he's finished with Emma,we're back on Star Wars.
Yeah.
No, and.
And then you got the Benioffand Weiss, and he got other people
that come in, and they just get.
It feels to me like it goesone of two ways.
Number one.
Yeah, they bring someone inand they've genuinely got a great
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idea for a Star wars film or atrilogy, but somebody at lucasfilm
is like, nah.
So they're like, well, it'seither you give me a bit of freedom,
you know, you let me make agood film, or I'll see you later.
And they're like, right, we'llsee you later.
You know, it's like they'vegot the reins wrapped so tight around
it all that nobody canpenetrate, you know?
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You know, and.
And do that.
So I don't know, man.
And then the other way is thatnothing gets said.
It just gets left in the abyss.
The limbo.
The Rian Johnson limbo.
So I don't know, man.
It's.
That's playing on the minds ofeverybody, I'm sure.
It's like, what month in 2025are we going to get the announcement
that Simon Kinberg has walked away?
Because.
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Well, that's the thing, isn't it?
It's not.
It's just Not.
It's not the way that you keepfandom engaged.
It's just not the way that youkeep fandom going.
And I know Marvel has done ita little bit like nudging Blade around
and stuff, but that's.
They're.
The amount of stuff thatthey're putting out on Disney plus
and whatever else, I mean,it's dropped right down, but it's
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at least they're sort ofconstantly there, you know, And I
feel like Force Awakens andeven the other stuff after it was
so anticipated because therehad been nothing for 10 years.
Yeah.
Yep.
And also with the Marvelstuff, you get the feeling that that's
going to get across the line.
You know, the, you know, theannouncements at comic con with Dr.
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Doom, you know, with Downey Jr.
And then the Russo brotherscoming back to do the new Avengers
films, you get the feelingthat they're going to be made.
Like the dates that they'veset, I don't know what they are.
So 20, 26 and 27.
I think for the new Avengersfilms or something, you get.
You just have that feelinglike, yeah, we're going to enjoy
them in the cinema in thoseyears that they've said they're going
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to be made.
That's what you want.
You need that.
And Star wars doesn't have that.
So, yeah, the comparison isglaringly obvious, man, just get
your shit done.
Get over the line.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And I just, you know, evenMarvel, they've struggled with the
Multiverse saga.
It's been so hit and miss.
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And the Jonathan Mazes stuff,whatever, you know, it's.
But it's.
They've been quick with stuff,regardless whether it's been good
or not.
They've been quick.
And a lot of it has got, youknow, the, the majority of stuff
has happened versus not happened.
And Star wars is the exactreverse of it, in terms of movies,
at least.
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Yeah.
I just think it's really.
And I just don't know why it'sso difficult.
I just don't know why it's so difficult.
Actually, I do.
I think the reason that it'sso difficult is because they said
we're gonna.
We're done with the Skywalkers.
And it's just that slightMarvel going, you know what?
We.
It.
We don't need Spider man oreven now we don't need Iron man.
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Even though Iron man was sucha B list character.
You know, they were alwaysgoing to go back to Spider man.
It's like D.C.
saying it, let's do Booster Gold.
Only Forget Superman, forget Batman.
Do you know what I mean?
I don't know why they.
I don't know why.
It just felt like a thing thatthey had to say that we were just
done with the Skywalker Saga.
It just seems just stupid.
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It really is like genuinely silly.
Like you, you, you want tomake your dollars.
You just don't do it that way,you know, if you look at the way
that.
I mean, again, Marvel's justthe obvious example of this one,
you know.
No, who gave a.
About the Winter Soldier on screen.
Who gave a really aboutCaptain America and Iron man and
stuff like that.
And they don't startnecessarily as big hits, but 20 years
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in almost, you know, thatthey're becoming that they are the
main A list characters.
But it didn't happenovernight, you know, so it's.
And it sort of feels like thatsequel trilogy didn't quite get that
right because it was just acase of right, we're done with these
ones.
They're sort of bit part characters.
They are OGs.
And here this new raft ofpeople, like finish that story but
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introduce new people.
Like, you don't have toinstantly switch the stardom over
to other people.
It can be slow and it just.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
There's a lot that we canunpack on it and we've gone over
it before, but they're just never.
I don't know how you get itthat wrong.
And it's not as we've talkedabout before, it's not about being
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like an OT or a prequel fanboyor you know, being a.
Just not liking anything newor anything quote unquote work or
any of that stuff.
It's just.
They're just not that goodbecause they lost.
They lost Lucas and then they just.
It was felt like they weretreading water for ages and it took
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them way too long to promoteFiloni up to.
Up to overseas stuff.
That's my.
Yeah, my two cents, dude.
Like Marvel always had a feige.
So you had somebody that knew.
Knew what they were doing,getting it all together, sorting
everything out, steering the ship.
Star wars lost that personwhen George Lucas retired.
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And then you just had a groupof people kind of doing it, kind
of, kind of thinking they knowwhat they're doing.
And then you had somebody inthe background who definitely did
know what they were doing, butjust left him in the, you know, the
broom closet to do theanimation in the background.
And then all of a sudden it'slike, actually this guy's the.
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That's good.
Well, you know, I mean, that'sthe thing as well, if you think about
it, like, okay, the approachto Force Awakens with this whole
Neo fascism sort of thing.
Neo, you know, undertones oflike, Neo Nazi and so on and so forth,
which I totally got, like, fine.
But there was no risk involved.
There was no.
There was no reason that theycouldn't tell a different story.
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It didn't have to be a storyof another order rising.
And then you fast forward to,like last week, Charles Soul, a friend
of the show Charles Soul,announced that he's doing this whole
comic book run around, andhe's like, super excited about it
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and, like, putting it out asif it's such a big thing.
And it is in the Star warsuniverse, like, oh, we're gonna explore
Kylo Ren's obsession withDarth Vader and what happens, right?
And you're like, oh, what the hell?
Like, that was the film.
Like, that was.
That was.
That is the film.
Right?
That's what the film shouldhave done.
You know, they even lined it up.
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You know, I'll finish what you start.
And then it was like, I forgotabout that.
You know what I mean?
So.
And it just.
Yeah.
Don't remember.
And it.
You just sort of like, I wantto even get excited about the child's
soul stuff and that stuffthat's coming out in comic.
But it just winds you upbecause, you know, that would have
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made better movie.
You know, that fight with, youknow, just the tussle.
You know, Han, Luke and Leiawere positioned so well to tussle
with this kid being obsessedwith Darth Vader.
Like, how does that.
Not interesting?
It doesn't even need to do abig action film.
It's just, you know, we've gotthis rebellious little teenage that's
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super powerful.
How do we stop that happening again?
And then this other, you know, the.
The other storyline runningalongside it, which could be anything,
a new threat, a new anything.
And I just.
Now they're doing it in thecomic and you're like, what?
What are you doing?
Yeah, it's almost like they're.
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It's like they're starved alittle bit of where to go of ideas,
I guess, that they're not surewhere to go.
So they're just treading.
Treading old ground a little bit.
But it's interesting groundbecause it's not been really dealt
with.
And that's the frustratingthing is that if you introduce a
new character that's the sonof laying layering Han, the fallen
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Nephew of Luke Skywalker, whowas obsessed with Darth Vader.
And then you don't evenaddress any of it.
That's like releasing thePhantom Menace and being like, oh,
that kid's going to becomeDarth Vader.
And then the next film is anew hope.
You know what I mean?
Well, how did that happen?
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No one cares about that.
Well, I think they tried toaddress it a little bit, you know,
with the flashbacks that Lukehas, you know, when he's in the tent
and he's about to kill him.
But that's a differentflashback to what actually happened
and whatnot.
But that was only like, we'retalking seconds.
And that's them trying to beall clever in it.
That's them trying to be thewhole a certain point of view thing.
But it's just completelysubtextual and completely unfocused
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that you're like, you justmiss it if you're not looking for
it.
If you're not like, oh, Starwars about perspective.
Right, okay.
And you just.
You just miss it because it'snot well done.
Yeah.
So it's frustrating, man.
It is.
It's frustrating to.
To number one to see themtrying to fix stuff that should have
been done on screen in thecomics and the books whilst also
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then announcing this constantstream of new stuff that probably
like 40% of it even gets closeto coming out.
Really difficult.
Yeah.
Yep.
It will take cleverer minds than.
Than you or I.
Well, definitely you probablynot to.
Well, at this point.
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Yeah, at this point.
Oh, dear.
Anyways, Simon Kinberg, bestof luck to your fella.
You're gonna need all your.
You're gonna need the best ofluck to.
To get this one rocking and rolling.
We'll obviously keep you up todate as we roll through next year.
I can't imagine anythinghappening mega soon for this.
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Unless this is one of thosethings where he's just been doing
it as a side hustle and thenhe's got the entire thing already
done and mapped out and caf'slike, yeah, cool.
So I'd imagine he's not evenclose to pre production on anything
yet.
So this is a few years away.
We'll keep you up to datetalking to something that definitely
is happening, though.
Skeleton Crew got a newtrailer for that dude last week,
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as is the usual timing afterwe recorded last week, literally
an hour later.
I think trailer drops forSkeleton Crew and that's done around
as well, with a lot of outletssaying that the usual stuff that
we've spoken about don't Diveinto that too much.
Basically, everyone's saying,you know, it's Stranger things in
space, Goonies in space,Spielberg vibes, Amblin vibes, all
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that stuff.
So that's the obvious stuff.
But what did you think to someof these specifics in the trailer
that they expanded on that wedidn't see in the first one?
So, you know, in the firstteaser that dropped, we saw a little
bit of suburban life in Star Wars.
We saw, obviously, the kidsand Jude Law and.
And that was it.
But in this one, we've got alittle bit more of a direction into
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how the vibe's going to be, Ithink, for the individual episode.
So add a little bit more gritto it, this trailer, a little bit
more threat with what's going on.
Space pirates after the kidsand whatnot.
But they still keep the.
They're still keeping the JudeLaw character under wraps in terms
of what his MO Is.
And is he a Jedi?
Is he not all that stuff?
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So what are your thoughts on the.
On the trailer, man?
Yeah, man, I quite like it.
I sort of want this one to becompletely disconnected and just
have a little bit of fun andjust to see how everyone feels about
that.
You know, if it turns out he'sa Jedi, all well and good.
If it turns out he's not allwell and good, you know, I mean,
I don't know how old Jude Lawis like this.
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It takes place, what, 30years, 25 years after.
So he'd like 10 years after return.
Of the Jedi, Roughly.
Yeah, yeah.
Does it?
I thought it was in the Mando space.
Yeah.
So 10 years.
Five, 10 years.
Yeah, it's.
Man.
Sorry.
Yeah, yeah, five, 10 years.
All right.
So that's like, late Mandostuff, isn't it?
It's like where we get where.
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Where the Mandalorian is now.
So, yeah, the timing works.
He could just about probablyjust about, like, be a Jedi, like
Caleb Doom sort of Kanan Jarusage, Caletis age, you know, 18, 19
at the fall of the Jedi Order.
So, yeah, I.
I just want this to be on its own.
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Just have a little bit of fun.
Lean into the vibes, lean intothe standby, me, the Goonies, the,
you know, all the ambling stuff.
Just lean into the Spielbergfeel to it and just see what happens.
And, yeah, I feel all rightabout it.
I thought the grittiness wasquite interesting.
I thought it was interestingthat it was like, it appears that
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Jude Law just happens uponthese kids that are getting to a
little bit of, you know, heonly ends up taking him home or what?
You know, whatever reallyobvious sort of, you know, what?
You know, takeaways from thetrailer, which maybe bait and switch,
who knows?
But yeah, just the acolyte.
Looked all right, didn't it?
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And it wasn't that good.
But then this, you know, I decide.
I don't know, I'm just hopingthat it just sort of remains, like,
not.
Not normal.
And just when I say normal, Imean, like, tells its own story.
Doesn't try and, you know,doesn't try and pull in certain directions.
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You know, it doesn't try andlink to the saga, for example.
If it does naturally, all welland good.
If it doesn't all well andgood, people hate it.
People hate it, though.
People hate it.
There will be a.
Yeah, there'll be a bunch ofpeople that slay it after.
They'll.
They'll watch 30 seconds ofit, pause it, jump on Twitter and
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say it's the worst thing thatthey've seen ever.
You know, there'll be peoplelike that.
But, yeah, I hope you'reright, dude.
I mean, totally the samemindset as that.
I just want it to be a nice.
I just want a bit of magicback, you know, in Star Wars.
Just a cool.
A cool adventure with noheaviness on it.
It's not buckling under thepressure of its own weight that it's
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put on itself because you haveto link it to a billion other things
and introduce all that stuff.
There's a small part of methat thinks, fuck, Jude Law's character
is probably going to be a fucking.
The kid of the clone of Palpatine.
That's going to be blah, blah, blah.
What?
We just.
Yeah, ain't it?
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No, thank.
I know that's.
There's 10% of me that's like,that's coming.
Something like that is.
Is going to be in it at some point.
There'll be the cliffhanger tothe final episode before the second
season where, you know,fucking Palpatine's involved some.
Yeah, whatever.
But hopefully not my.
Hopefully it's just a.
And the trailer does lookpretty cool, I think in the first
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teaser that they brought out,I think a lot of people were like,
this doesn't feel like Starwars to me.
Like, it just because of the whole.
It felt more Earth, like withthe whole streets with the cars and
people going to work and kidsin school and stuff like that.
It felt like Grange Hill.
Oh, he's going back.
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No, you're going back.
So this one feels like it'skind of still got that.
But it also is a bit more.
Now we've.
Now we've seen more sort ofspace travel and, you know, pew,
pew, pew.
And some other bits going on.
Yeah.
It does feel a little bit moretowards a direction you expect something
in the Star wars universe tobe set.
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So.
Yeah.
Quite liking this trailer.
It's not too bad.
Seen better trailers, seenworse trailers.
We'll see.
Yeah.
I hope you're right, dude,about it not being anything linked
to like, I don't want them touse this sort of thing to retcon
anything.
I'll tell you what, dude, thefirst time that Jude Law's character,
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they get into conversationabout where you're from.
What's the betting that.
Oh, yeah, there's this planetin the Outer Rim.
Yeah.
Better not be exaggeral.
Yeah, Been there a few times.
Or Tatooine.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
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Why is that where everyone goes?
Must be.
It will either be.
It'll be the boring, oh, yeah,I'm from Coruscant.
Of course you are.
Or it will be the obvious, I'mfrom Tatooine.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
My dad's mate Owen and Yeah,they're knocked about together.
Oh, yeah.
Or the other one.
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It will be, yeah.
Exegol.
There's some weird going on in Exegol.
We should probably go backthere at some point, check it out,
see what's going on.
It's just.
Yeah, it's just a big gimpy in it.
But I just hope it's not anyof that.
I hope if he's a Jedi.
Cool, whatever.
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But I saw it.
Doesn't it?
Or is it going to be like somesort of Han Solo scoundrel Murph
or, you know, that kind of.
That'd be quite interesting.
You know what I mean?
Had run ins with a rebellionand know whatever.
He is Force sensitive though, right?
Because in the first teaser,he made the thing float across.
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Oh, yeah.
Do you remember?
So he is a Force.
Don't know if he's a Forceuser as such.
Don't know whether he's Jedior Sith, whatever.
Or he could be linked to, youknow, the.
The witches in the coven.
He could be using the threadinstead of the Force.
Yeah, we're forcing it byanother name.
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You know what I mean?
What I hope doesn't happen islike, oh, guess what?
I didn't have a dad.
Oh, God.
Anyway, we'll see.
Yeah, hopefully.
I'm hoping that he's a scoundrel.
Like a Han Solo.
Type of dude.
Yeah, just have a bugs butjust happens to be a.
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Something that they wereprobably wanting to do with Finn's
character in the sequeltrilogy because they kind of alluded
to a little bit, didn't they,that he was gonna be.
Yeah, so something like that.
That'd be cool.
Some.
Let's move on some gaming newsbecause we've spoken about films
and TV shows and happening andnot happening, whatnot.
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There's even more stuff that'spotentially not happening in Star
wars games.
So.
Nice one.
Well, it sounds mint.
Let's dig into it.
There we go listeners.
Just to perk you up, get youmotivated for some gaming.
Here's some other canceled stuff.
So with the launch of StarWars Outlaws, that was the first
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game that launched outside ofthe exclusivity license that EA had
with Lucasfilm and Lucasfilm games.
So that's kick started a bunchof stuff that was announced a while
ago, admittedly with the.
With a view to the future thatthey would be able to release it
without EA as the publisherand everything like that.
And a couple of those gamesare still on the map and a couple
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of them we know are definitely happening.
So the first one, this is oneof those ones that was announced
ages ago and we still don'tknow what's happening with it.
That's Star Wars Eclipse.
So Star Wars Eclipse.
Was that the bong one?
Bong, yeah, yeah.
Bong, yeah, bong.
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That one.
Yeah, exactly that, yeah,yeah, nailed it.
It was, it was a kind of darksidey acolyte bong, Bob Bong thing.
It probably, if this stillcomes out, this will probably be
better than the Acolyte Iwould say.
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It's got that kind of justloads of stuff that we've not seen
in any Star wars books orfilms to date.
But it's very heavily, you cantell it's like early dark side Sith
stuff.
It's made by developer Quantic Dream.
They had a really good gameout a few years ago called Detroit
Become Human.
Really, really good storydriven narrative, first person story
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driven game.
Really good FPS.
That's what I call it.
Yeah.
And this was out, thistrailer, believe it or not was 2021
that they, they launched the trailer.
So it went into limbo for awhile and then I think one of the
head, the head dudes at thestudio basically said look, I can't
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give you any more deets butit's definitely not cancelled so
take that as you will.
But we don't know release datefor that one thing that's definitely
happening is the third game inthe Jedi series that takes place
after Jedi Survivor with Cal Kestis.
That's happening already.
We know definitely that's indevelopment and that's likely to
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launch probably 2026, I would say.
I'd imagine we'll probably getsome kind of teaser drop or trailer
announcement at the back endof next year and then probably the
back end of 2026 that willprobably drop.
So that one's definitely happening.
We've also got this remake ofKnights of the Old Republic.
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Again that's very similar toStar Wars Eclipse.
That was one that wasannounced, had a little some artwork
knocked up for it.
The studio said, yeah, it'sgoing really well.
Then it went into limbo.
The studio was bought out byanother company, didn't know what
was going on with it.
And then Carbon Copy.
Somebody at the studio said,look, it's definitely not canceled,
but can't tell you any deetson on when the release date is coming
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up for it.
Blah, blah, blah.
This one looks really coolactually because it's a solid game.
Back in the OG Xbox days whenthese kind of games were really,
really cool, like the Fablegames and that kind of thing, you
just get lost in it.
Really, really cool.
So.
And this one and Knights ofthe Old Public two are often cited
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as some of the best Star wars games.
It's always in people's topthree, so that'd be cool.
And then just very quicklywe've got a strategy game, untitled
as yet.
This is from Respawn, the guyswho make the Jedi Fallen Order games.
If you think back to the oldlike Command and Conquer games and
that sort of thing, that couldbe quite cool.
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And then lastly, we've gotanother untitled action adventure
game.
So this was first.
This kind of game for Starwars has been rolling along for a
few years now.
I remember like years ago, thewoman who was the head writer on
the Uncharted games, sheannounced that she was doing this
Star wars like big action RPGstyle game that then went to.
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She started her own studio andI think she's back on it or something
like that.
It was called Project Ragtagto begin with.
And this was based on likeJohan Solo, Scoundrel, you know,
taking on the shady side ofthe galaxy sort of thing.
This is apparently still in development.
New developer now, SkydanceNew Media and release date to be
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confirmed.
So, dude, I know you've notgot a controller in your hands too
much these days, but we've gota dozen or half a dozen games here
which will likely be out overthe next five to six years.
So any of these pique your interest?
The yeah, the whole projectragtag one does actually.
Mainly because I like the deadspace stuff.
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Really remember that comingout like back in the day.
God knows I get 20 years ago.
So yeah, I, I, I, I like thatsort of game.
I'm not saying it's going tobe that kind of game, but that, you
know, if that studio made thatgame then it, I'm a fan of it, so
I'm quite interested in that.
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Obviously the Knights of theOld Republic had.
I never really played thosegames just because I like they just
weren't in my wheelhouse.
Like I played them a littlebit but didn't get obsessed with
them.
So I'd quite like to getobsessed with them and do it through
the remake.
So that'd be quite good.
The strategy one, I'm not thatfussed about the Jedi one obviously
I am.
I've actually got JediSurvivor to play, which I might start
next week.
Actually I've got a spare bitof spare time now.
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The Eclipse one, I am curiousabout it like you said, it's just
I didn't realize it was likethree years ago since we got the
trailer.
So I am actually curious aboutthat one because I like the High
Republic stuff.
Despite the Acolyte.
I still think there's someinteresting stuff in that.
In the Acolyte as we know and,and where this is set within the
High Republic sort offascinates me.
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It does make me wonder whetherthey're going to do anything like
to pick up the Acolyte threads.
And maybe that's why it'staking a bit of time because there's
some.
There were a couple of greatcharacters in there.
So the.
I think inevitably as youalluded to, like I don't get to play
that much anymore.
So these will always be sortof backup things.
It'll always be something thatI do when I just oh crap, look at
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that.
It's on sale or it's.
It's free on Game Pass orPlayStation plus this this month
or whatever.
So I, I won't rush to get anyof them but all of them apart from
the strategy one because Ijust, I don't have the patience for
that stuff anymore.
I will, I will end up playingat some point.
I'll end up playing at some point.
What about you?
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If you had to pre order onethat wasn't Survivor sequel, which
one would you pre order?
It would either be the, theRagtag project, ragtag game.
If it is going to be in theilk of the Uncharted.
Because they're really goodgames, the Uncharted games.
Especially the last three.
Two or three, just real.
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You don't have to think toomuch, you know, you don't have to
worry about scaling up likeyour level trees.
And it's just a realcinematic, story driven game.
So that could be quite cool ifthe characters are done right with
that one.
So it's either that one orEclipse, I think.
I think if Eclipse is donewell and they steer clear of some
of the, some of the crap wehad in the Acolyte, that could be
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very cool from a story perspective.
Yeah.
Because that trailer wasreally stylized and really at some
point you thought is this atrailer for like Dune or something?
Or is it, you know, like thatold Blade Runner, Dune style.
Dune, sorry, style sci.
Like Dune.
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Dune.
You read the books?
Read the books.
You read the Doom books?
Have you?
Didn't think so.
I haven't got.
I haven't got three years spare.
I got the whole Dune trilogyright in one book.
It's about fucking six foot four.
Have you read them?
Have you read it?
No.
I get bogged down with Starwars shite, don't I?
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Well, you might have finishedthat in a quicker time than you did.
What was that Jedi book you're reading?
Living Force.
Oh, let's.
Yeah, I finished all the Starwars ones.
Got caught up.
Let's move to another Sandybook in space.
Yeah, let's not, let's not do that.
Yeah, apparently they areclassic books though.
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Who knows?
Yeah, last one to finish up with.
This should be a non story, really.
It should be.
But because this is Star wars,it's obviously hilariously been latched
onto by a portion of fandom.
So this comes the reason why,why it's.
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It's a story because it hasappeared in some of the.
The bigger news outlets.
So here in the uk, the DailyMail, this is their website, Mail
Online and I've seen it pop upin another few outlets as well.
Is this stormtrooper calledSister, which is the first official
at least transgender characterto appear in the Star wars universe.
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And I think this comes via anew book that's just launched with
this character.
Where is it?
So yeah, so there was a bit offan art.
So the character itself hasbeen knocking around for a little
while and then there was somefan art for it and then the characters
was picked up and.
And there's was part of arecent book.
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What's the book.
Is it A Queen's Hope is thebook that they first appeared in.
I think that was the book.
And so, yeah, this.
This dreadlocked sportingsoldier, stormtrooper soldier is
a thing.
Like, we've got the firstofficial image, which is in a.
Which has come from Lucasfilmand Star wars and whatnot.
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So the reason why it should bea non story is because it's, you
know, it's 2024, but Star warsfandom are not too happy with it.
So they've screenshotted a fewtweets and stuff.
There's only a few, but it isthe voice of quite a sizable chunk
of fandom.
So someone says, I rememberwhen Star wars used to be about space
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wizards, epic adventures, andlightsaber combat.
Now it's this with a bunch of emojis.
Somebody else says, this can'tbe real.
Got to be a parody.
There is no freaking way.
And then somebody says this.
She literally has the transflag on her armor.
The transgender flag.
This is supposed to be agalaxy far away, not downtown California.
These people just love to killescapism and fantasy.
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So, mate, yeah, fans are nothappy, as usual, about something
to do with Star Wars.
It's a weird thing, isn't it,this, because I do get both perspectives
on it.
And I'm not saying that thetrolls are right, but I'm saying
that I understand sort of thepoint of the escapism element of
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it, but at the same point,like, who cares?
Live and let live.
Like, if everyone.
You know, we live in a worldwhere there's a requirement for more
representation.
And as much we're set.
As much as we're setting thesestories in alien galaxies and, you
know, beyond, they are stillwritten by people from Earth.
So, you know, it's alwaysgoing to reflect the times and the
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fact that it's not escapism.
It fucking ally and New Hopewas Vietnam War inspired.
You know, we talked about it earlier.
Neo Fascism, neo Nazism.
And so, like, they've always had.
They've always had undertones of.
Of politicism and socialcommentary and everything else that
went on it.
This is no different.
I do understand people saying,well, sort of, what's the point?
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Because I just don't think.
And I'm saying I understand itbecause I see that they won't get
why it's not a problem,because if it causes you offense,
then there's.
There's something clearlywrong with probably you getting offended
by everything.
But then you can just.
You don't.
Like, if you don't.
If you don't, if you're notinterested in what difference does
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it make to you?
You can, like, this character exists.
It's just a character whogives a.
You can just move on and youcan enjoy stuff.
And you know, I mean, it's notlike someone should see this and
go, do you know what?
I disagree with this.
So I'm never going to enjoyStar Wars.
Like, who cares?
You know, like, it sort ofmakes no sense.
I, like I said, I do get theperspective because I understand
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that they just simply won'tget it.
And I just, I, it's just ashame that you can, you can put stuff
out to try and basicallyinspire other people that it's not
like this is not to forcetransgender, transgenderism into
Star wars.
It's to help people that mightbe struggling with things to understand
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that it's cool.
Like, you know, even thepeople at Disney and the people that
have got these billion dollarfranchises that they keep canceling,
you know, they still thinkabout people like you and you can
identify, I think we all needto identify it.
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Like, that's why the moaning,boring, middle aged twat of an old
white guy loves Predator andloves Commando and loves Rocky and
loves anything with Van Dam in it.
Because it's like, ah,identify with that.
Look at me, I'm inspired.
I'm gonna do it.
But it's because it's not VanDamme or Stallone or any of that.
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They're like, oh no, I don'tlike that.
That's not my inspiration.
So why should we like it?
And it's so, yeah, you know, Imean, Star wars fans are outing themselves
as like the biggest twats inthe world.
A lot of them, like the maleswill just wear signs on their armor
that just says twat becausethey're just, It's a difficult.
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I always think about this likethrough the lens of being a parent
and you know, having a youngkid, not an older kid, like a young
kid.
How would you explain that toyour kid?
How do you say that persondoesn't like this character because
they don't like something thatthey deem to be different?
Like, how would you explainthat to a kid?
And if you were sat there infront of like one of the trolls,
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they would.
And you would just say youwere trying to ask them to explain
it to your kid.
They would probably attackyour kid or you for trying to understand
it.
And it's like, it's the sameold argument.
All they'll do is be like, oh,you're woke.
It's like the get out of jailfree card in it.
It's the get out of jail free car.
When there's no decentargument, there's no way to think
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of anything.
You don't have the brains toarticulate anything.
And you don't know that you'restupid enough to not argue with.
You just go, oh, you're walk,aren't you?
Oh, you're offended by everything.
And you're like, well, wait a minute.
All the one tweeting you peck.
So I.
I'm always disappointed bythis stuff, dude.
I just think I, like I said, Iunderstand why they do it because
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they don't get why it needs tobe done.
And what difference does itmake if you don't like it, just move
on.
Like, I don't like Captain Phasma.
She's boring as a character.
But I don't go and tweet aboutit because I don't care.
I just understand that otherpeople like it and like that character.
So, yeah, we rant about thatall day, man.
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But people are absolute moronsa lot of the time.
It's weird, isn't it?
Yeah.
I think everyone just needs a.
They feel like they have tohave a voice on stuff these days.
It's always the voice, though,that's like, it's always the same
voice.
It's always the quote unquoteanti work.
And like, you can never have adiscussion with them because like
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I said, all they'll do is goyour work.
And you can't.
They just hit you back withthe whole, oh, you get offended at
everything.
Like, no, it's not.
You cannot.
We're having a discussion andyou have nowhere else to go with
it.
So all you do is start sayingthings like that.
It's.
It genuinely is the classic,you can't argue with stupid people.
It genuinely is.
Because they don't know the stupid.
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That's what I was going to say.
You can't, can't argue with stupid.
I think with a lot of people,they have too many fucks to give.
And I think that's somethingthat maybe comes with age and wisdom
and experience, I guess.
But like, the amount of, theamount of fucks that I wake up with
in the morning is drasticallyless than when I was 20, 21.
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Whatever.
I've got like three in the bag.
I used to wake up with like 50of them.
Yeah.
But now, now I've got three.
A push and you know, tweeting about.
Tweeting about a photo of atransgender stormtrooper in a book
that no one's gonna buy is notone of them.
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Well, that's the thing.
In it, you wake up with, like,in my book, you've got two Belen
credits.
Everyone's got two bell endcredits, right?
You can spend one on a mistakeand then the second time, you understand
that.
Actually, that's, you know,fool me once and all that sort of
stuff.
So everyone gets two bell endcredits for me.
And that's it.
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That's my version of notreally caring about this stuff.
And it's like, wow.
You say, well, I could spend.
Like, why would I spend timetweeting this stuff?
I just go and do somethingthat I enjoy doing.
Yeah, yeah.
And also, I think it's a caseof they just don't want to.
They don't want to.
What's the word?
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They have a problem with it.
And that's as far as they wantto go.
They just want to close it off as.
Yeah, it's woke.
Whatever.
So if you were to.
If you were to say to them,look, let me just hit you with a
scenario, right?
You're a teenager who istransgender, you know, and you hate
the fact that the world hatesyou for it.
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And there's all these coolStar wars conventions that you want
to go to, but you can'tbecause you feel like you're just
going to be attacked or you'regoing to be made fun of, whatever.
You see this picture and aboutthis character, and then that inspires
you to then think, actually, it.
I'm just going to do it.
So I'm going to cosplay asthis stormtrooper, and I'm going
to go to this Star warsconvention, and I fucking loved it.
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Are you really telling me thatyou wouldn't want that experience
for somebody?
They would be like, well, whenyou put it like that, yeah, you know,
fair play to him.
You know, whatever.
It's like, well, hell, that'sthe whole point, mate.
You know, that's the thing, man.
Yeah, that's it.
And it's.
People are idiots, man.
And it's like the wholeacolyte thing.
Like the same twats that arestuck in the mum's basement in the
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pants complaining about twowitches are the same ones that are
fucking porn or being lesbianporn because they've got fuck all
else to do.
And it's.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, just in the pants.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
They're literally all the same.
They are.
There are.
They're either losers thatdon't do anything or losers that
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do too much and think they'veachieved something.
And mostly that's everyone'sthat is doing this is a loser.
Like an actual loser.
Like, if you were to call themfor genuine help, they wouldn't be
able to do anything about itor ask them for ideas or solutions.
They wouldn't be able to do it.
Do you know what I mean?
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All they do is be like, oh,I'll come down pub and fate if you
want.
Fate if you want to fit.
You know what I mean?
Shut up.
You're a moron.
God.
Yeah, Talk about that.
Anyway, should probably put init, shouldn't we?
We should.
So that is the.
The transgender charactersister appearing in the book that's
just released, Secrets of theClone Troopers.
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We'll see how well that goesdown in terms of sales and stuff.
But yeah, let's stick a pin init there, dude, for episode 237,
Spark of Rebellion.
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Next time, dude.
Until then, it's been cool tochat as always.
Always fun, dude.
Yeah, yeah.
Bit of a ranty one, actually.
We thought it was gonna be ashort one, didn't we?
But here we are.
Two things to rant about, butno, see you next week.
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It'll be a fun one indeed.
Issa, until next time, takecare of yourselves.
And may the Force be with.
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Hello there and welcome toSpark of Rebellion.
This is your weekly Star warspodcast and welcome to episode 237.
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My name is Gary.
I'm one of your hosts here atsor and before I bring on my co hosts,
just want to say I hope you'vehad a good Star wars couple of weeks
because we are drowning in asea of just mediocrity in the old
Star wars news.
At the minute, not much iskicking around, so I wouldn't say
we're down to the wood yetafter we scraped the barrel a few
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times.
But yeah, it's really, reallyquiet out there.
So we've got a couple of bitscoming up in terms of skeleton crew
and whatnot, but films andother TV shows.
Yeah.
But we have managed to get afew new stories together.
So coming up in today'sepisode, we've got some news that's
just laughable until we getsome more concrete information on
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this one.
We've been down this roadbefore, so we're going to get, you're
going to get our views on thatone, some gaming updates.
We're going to talk about theSkeleton Crew trailer that dropped
the other day, which lookspretty good.
And then we're going to finishup with this.
It's one of those new storiesthat does the rounds every time on
this subject over the lastyear or two in Star wars.
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So we'll get to that as well.
As I said, my name is Gary andjust very quickly before I bring
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you that listen to us everysingle week and more.
So our members andsubscribers, you guys are very, very
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To kickstart your weekendsoff, let's bring on the dude who
I need to chat About Star wars with.
It's the scoundrel of the galaxy.
It's the guy that's making thegalaxy a better place.
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One cantina pub crawl at atime, eh?
It's Mr.
Mark Asquith.
How you doing, dude?
Not bad, geezer.
Not bad.
It is a little bit quiet onthe old Star wars front, isn't it?
Big time.
And it's also like more of thesame old as well.
See, it's funny that in it,it's like goes round and round the
yearly cycle like this.
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Yeah, it really is.
Like, it's a constant streamof apathetic bullshittery.
It's almost.
Still could be fun.
You had a good week, dude.
You watched anything Star Warsy?
How are you getting.
What's the last book youstarted reading?
It was.
I'm on that.
That Empire one.
Anna.
That's it Rising.
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All of it.
It's really good, man.
Like, it pulls in from itliterally everything that's canon
as of now.
It just really, like, pulls infrom everything.
It is.
It's quite fascinating, actually.
Kev mentioned it as being agood book.
And it is fascinating becauseof how it does what it does.
Like, it sort of.
It'll take, like, little plotpoints and that.
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You sort of, you know, likecertain pop plot points from, like,
the original trilogy, for example.
It does this with other thingsas well.
But let's just take the OT asan example, and it will.
It will.
Like, they've been bugalooksfor retconning stuff, but it sort
of retcons stuff in, like, acommon sense way, almost like as
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if this happened in real life,which is quite cool.
So it's like, okay, here's whyVader was, like, underneath Tarkin,
but not really when the.
You know, when Lucas realizedthat he was the star of the show.
After A New Hope, let'sexplain in canon why he suddenly
became the star of the show.
So it was sort of.
It's good, but it pulled.
It literally pulls fromeverything, man.
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The comics, the Crimson dawncomics, Crimson Rain stuff, all the
TV shows.
And I always find it tellingas well that, I mean, this is Horizon,
Fall of the Empire, but it'sset after.
As if it's been told after thefirst order guff and mate.
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There's all.
It's always the same.
Like, there's no timededicated to that stuff.
Like, I'm 3/4 of the waybeyond, 3/4 of the way into it.
And it's like, okay, we're atthe Battle of Endor, and they still
Got to dig into some of thefirst order stuff and then obviously
exegol the.
The follow up stuff.
So it's.
I don't know, man.
It just shows to me.
It just shows how justnarratively weak all that is.
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It just really does.
We've said it before, like,but with the.
The prequel stuff.
Love or love the politicalaspect of it at least it was complex.
At least it was interesting todissect in other media know.
Whereas this is just like,well, Emperor's back.
So it's.
Yeah, I just think they'restruggling to fill it with.
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With.
Yeah, just.
It's like there's almostnothing to tell, you know.
Oh dear.
Yeah, it's interesting.
What about you, man?
Done anything?
Just finished up since we last spoke.
Oh, a week before last.
I finished up that season one of.
Of Rebels.
I started watching that.
I think it's the anniversary, right?
10 years or something.
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I can't remember that.
First season's really cool,you know, with that.
That sort of undertone of.
Of as they.
It's about Ezra, of course,but it's really cool.
Some of the.
The stuff around what's hisface with a ponytail, what's his
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name, you know, the Jedi?
Kieran.
Yeah, Kanan.
That's it.
Yeah, it's really cool.
His, his relationship withEzra and you know, his loss of patience
with him and how he sort oftries to.
Yeah, it's just some reallygood characters building in that
first season.
I know the other seasons arereally cool when you start to get
into Thrawn a little bit andsome of the other bits with Fulcrum
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and Ahsoka and stuff, it'svery cool.
It's.
But I don't know, it's justgot a really nice vibe to it.
It's like a lot of peopleviewed that as a.
As a bit of a one or the other.
It's like you either watch theClone wars or you watch Rebels and
they do very different stylesand stuff, but I think complement
each other quite well as yougo through and you see the bigger
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picture there.
But yeah, it's a good season.
That first one sounds good.
Other than that.
Dude, I've got done now, elseI've got a.
I need to get back on to StarWars Outlaws.
I'm about, I don't know, 60 ofthe way through that.
70 maybe through that, butneed to get back on that.
That's pretty cool.
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So, yeah, a couple of bits.
Nothing too crazy.
Couple of things.
Couple of questions.
Here we go.
You're not going to Lose your job.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, right, dude, thisnews first.
This first news story is Ican't wait to get your action to
this one.
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So if you re.
If you've read the show noteslistener, you'll know that this one's
a little bit of a.
A trip down memory lane thatwe've been down here many times before.
So the breaking news story iswe have a new trilogy of Star wars
films in the works with a newwriter, slash overseer, showrunner,
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whatever you want to call them.
It's the dude that's handledthe X Men films, Simon Kinberg.
I think he directed them orproduced them or both, or he was
heavily involved in that stuffand, you know, better luck to him.
You know, got your X Men stuffkicking around.
All good.
Kath has roped him in to.
To do some new films.
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Now Lucasfilm or Cath haven'tcome out and said, yep, thumbs up.
This is exactly what's happening.
But this, you know, the newsis over every single blog, media
outlet, everything.
So it's.
It's basically happening.
The only thing that's notreally concrete yet, dude, is some
outlets are saying that thisis the next trilogy after the Rise
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of Skywalker.
So Rey's stuff is done.
That's all put to bed.
This is going to be set Godknows how many years after the end
of that film with some newcharacters, new stuff going on, all
the rest of it.
Other people have said thatthis is a direct continuation with
Rey, So this is a new trilogyof films with Rey's new era of Jedi
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training and all that stuff,and that it links directly into some
of the other films that arebeing worked on.
So it's going to merge alittle bit with New Jedi Order, all
that sort of stuff.
So that's the.
That's the crux of this.
There's not much else in termsof details.
Like I said, Lucasfilm haven'tofficially said it, but it's basically
happened.
So, Simon Kinberg, dude, whatare your thoughts on this?
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This bombshell?
Just completely.
Just not really that fussed.
You know, not both.
It's like, at all.
Well, there's a couple of things.
Like, it's not been announcedby Star wars or Disney, so I saw
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a, you know, pinch of salt,but, you know, let's assume it is
true.
Cool.
Like, it's just not at thepoint where you think I'm gonna get
excited about it because we'veseen all the crap that's gone before
it.
And plus, like, Kimber's areally Weird choice.
Right?
So I like Simon Kinberg to adegree, but what do you mean?
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To the news reports that he'sgoing to write and produce.
So what I thought I'd do ishave a look at his filmography because
I like the guy.
I do.
I like summary stuff.
Right.
To a degree.
So what I'm going to do istalk to you about the stuff where
he was just the producer andthen the stuff that he was writer
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and producer on, and we'll seeif we can spot a distinct difference.
All right, so the stuff thathe was just the producer on.
X Men First Class.
Cool.
Elysium.
Neil Blomkamp film.
Cool.
Chappie.
Great film.
The Martian.
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Great film.
Deadpool.
Great film.
Logan.
Great film.
Deadpool 2.
Great film.
The New Moon Mutants gets alot of.
A lot of praise, actually,after the fact.
And then some TV stuff.
Just the producer.
Designated Survivor.
Great stuff.
Legion got some decent reviews.
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Now the stuff that he waswriter and producer on Jumper, I
actually watched that recently.
Not amazing, but that'sprobably because I like Aidan Christensen
and actually sort of give it abit of a pass.
There's a future past.
All right, you can have that one.
That was a good one.
That was a good one.
And then we get to Fantastic Four.
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We'll get to X Men Apocalypse.
We get to Dark Phoenix.
Not good.
Then we start to look into.
Wait a second.
He's done some rebel stuff.
Twilight of the Apprentice.
Fantastic.
Really good.
With Dave Filoni and Stephen Melchin.
So he's sort of a mixed bag dude.
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Mixed bag.
My view would be, if there's agood director in place, all well
and good.
All well and good.
If he's writing in the Filonispace and Filoni is helping with
that, could be all well and good.
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If he's got free reign andhe's writing and producing.
A little bit nervy.
A little bit nervy.
So.
This is not the.
Not the reaction, I think.
I don't think that Lucasfilmand Star wars expect.
But it's their own fault.
Exactly.
And so he was gonna write the.
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He was writing the script forthe Boba Fett film, remember, back
in the day, and he recommendedJosh Trank to direct that one.
Now, Josh Tran was a realweird one because he was.
He was recommended to directthe Boba Fett film and he did the
Fantastic Four film.
But did he.
Was he the one that did.
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Was he the one that did.
What's that?
Superhero movie Chronicle,which was amazing.
Which clearly him and K.
That that movie and Kimberggot him the Fantastic Four gig and
that was just shite.
So it's.
I don't know, man.
I just hope it's not.
I hope it's not like, guess what?
Big news.
We brought Josh Trunk in to dothe directing.
You know, I mean, I'm just abit worried about it all.
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So.
Yeah, you know, a bit of adeep dive there, man, but I just.
I'm just bored, man.
I'm just bored of it.
Like, it's genuinely puttingme off.
Star Wars.
It really is.
Like, if it wasn't for thebooks, I don't think I'd do anything.
Star wars at the minute.
I genuinely think I'd just beout of it because they're battering
us.
They are battering us.
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Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?
If we rewind, you know whenthe whole buyout thing.
When Disney bought Lucasfilmand Star wars at the same time as
them buying them out, theyannounced the new films, the new
trilogy of films, andeverybody lost their mind.
It was like the best news ever.
Like a new trilogy of Starwars films.
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And it was just amazing.
Like from that moment on, thehype train was just at full speed
right from the get go.
And it was so cool.
It was amazing.
That build up to the ForceAwakens, really cool.
Fast forward to now.
We've got an announcement forthree new Star wars films.
And everyone's like, yeah.
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Innit, whatever, just don'tget it.
And I feel as if it's likenumber one because of the sequels,
but also just the lack of cohesion.
You know what I just don't get?
And I'm sure it's happeningbecause, like, well, I'm sure it's
happening, but I don't knowwhy it's not delivering anything
right.
I just don't know whysomeone's not sitting down and all.
(14:58):
Everyone sat down, just going,right, let's just tell a story.
Let's just tell a story andlet's just get it over the line.
And like, obviously our studiomeddling is not working.
So why don't we just step backjust a touch from that?
Because it's clearly notworking and I just don't know.
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I just don't know why.
And that's as we know thatstarted with a sequel, so it started
with the sequels.
But I do think the fans are toblame a little bit because whatever's
put out there, people don't like.
True.
It's just in a mess, man.
I just feel like you mightJust need.
We've talked about this before.
It's never going to happenbecause of the money trend.
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But just have, like, fiveyears off.
Just don't do anything.
Just kill everything.
Put some books out, whatever,but just kill everything.
And then come back and said,you know what?
We screwed up a little bit here.
Let's go.
But again, you've always gotthis problem with the sequel.
Trilogy.
Yeah.
It's the thorn, isn't it?
(16:01):
Yeah.
In the.
Yeah.
The other.
The other thing that'sprobably playing a lot of people's
minds is that how long is thisgoing to last for?
Because that's the other thingwith not so much the films themselves,
but the actual people theybring in to make them.
So, you know, we just had thislong string of people that they've
announced who have coming.
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Who are coming in to write aStar wars film or a Star wars trilogy
of films.
And then you either just don'thear anything.
Remember the Rian Johnsontrilogy of films?
That was.
That was net.
They never actually said that.
We've canceled that.
So technically, that's notbeen canceled.
That's still in the thing.
Well, they said this week, actually.
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That was gonna search.
They said this week it's justbecause he's doing Knives out stuff.
Once he's finished with Emma,we're back on Star Wars.
Yeah.
No, and.
And then you got the Benioffand Weiss, and he got other people
that come in, and they just get.
It feels to me like it goesone of two ways.
Number one.
Yeah, they bring someone inand they've genuinely got a great
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idea for a Star wars film or atrilogy, but somebody at lucasfilm
is like, nah.
So they're like, well, it'seither you give me a bit of freedom,
you know, you let me make agood film, or I'll see you later.
And they're like, right, we'llsee you later.
You know, it's like they'vegot the reins wrapped so tight around
it all that nobody canpenetrate, you know?
(17:27):
You know, and.
And do that.
So I don't know, man.
And then the other way is thatnothing gets said.
It just gets left in the abyss.
The limbo.
The Rian Johnson limbo.
So I don't know, man.
It's.
That's playing on the minds ofeverybody, I'm sure.
It's like, what month in 2025are we going to get the announcement
that Simon Kinberg has walked away?
Because.
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Well, that's the thing, isn't it?
It's not.
It's just Not.
It's not the way that you keepfandom engaged.
It's just not the way that youkeep fandom going.
And I know Marvel has done ita little bit like nudging Blade around
and stuff, but that's.
They're.
The amount of stuff thatthey're putting out on Disney plus
and whatever else, I mean,it's dropped right down, but it's
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at least they're sort ofconstantly there, you know, And I
feel like Force Awakens andeven the other stuff after it was
so anticipated because therehad been nothing for 10 years.
Yeah.
Yep.
And also with the Marvelstuff, you get the feeling that that's
going to get across the line.
You know, the, you know, theannouncements at comic con with Dr.
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Doom, you know, with Downey Jr.
And then the Russo brotherscoming back to do the new Avengers
films, you get the feelingthat they're going to be made.
Like the dates that they'veset, I don't know what they are.
So 20, 26 and 27.
I think for the new Avengersfilms or something, you get.
You just have that feelinglike, yeah, we're going to enjoy
them in the cinema in thoseyears that they've said they're going
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to be made.
That's what you want.
You need that.
And Star wars doesn't have that.
So, yeah, the comparison isglaringly obvious, man, just get
your shit done.
Get over the line.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And I just, you know, evenMarvel, they've struggled with the
Multiverse saga.
It's been so hit and miss.
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And the Jonathan Mazes stuff,whatever, you know, it's.
But it's.
They've been quick with stuff,regardless whether it's been good
or not.
They've been quick.
And a lot of it has got, youknow, the, the majority of stuff
has happened versus not happened.
And Star wars is the exactreverse of it, in terms of movies,
at least.
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Yeah.
I just think it's really.
And I just don't know why it'sso difficult.
I just don't know why it's so difficult.
Actually, I do.
I think the reason that it'sso difficult is because they said
we're gonna.
We're done with the Skywalkers.
And it's just that slightMarvel going, you know what?
We.
It.
We don't need Spider man oreven now we don't need Iron man.
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Even though Iron man was sucha B list character.
You know, they were alwaysgoing to go back to Spider man.
It's like D.C.
saying it, let's do Booster Gold.
Only Forget Superman, forget Batman.
Do you know what I mean?
I don't know why they.
I don't know why.
It just felt like a thing thatthey had to say that we were just
done with the Skywalker Saga.
It just seems just stupid.
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It really is like genuinely silly.
Like you, you, you want tomake your dollars.
You just don't do it that way,you know, if you look at the way
that.
I mean, again, Marvel's justthe obvious example of this one,
you know.
No, who gave a.
About the Winter Soldier on screen.
Who gave a really aboutCaptain America and Iron man and
stuff like that.
And they don't startnecessarily as big hits, but 20 years
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in almost, you know, thatthey're becoming that they are the
main A list characters.
But it didn't happenovernight, you know, so it's.
And it sort of feels like thatsequel trilogy didn't quite get that
right because it was just acase of right, we're done with these
ones.
They're sort of bit part characters.
They are OGs.
And here this new raft ofpeople, like finish that story but
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introduce new people.
Like, you don't have toinstantly switch the stardom over
to other people.
It can be slow and it just.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
There's a lot that we canunpack on it and we've gone over
it before, but they're just never.
I don't know how you get itthat wrong.
And it's not as we've talkedabout before, it's not about being
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like an OT or a prequel fanboyor you know, being a.
Just not liking anything newor anything quote unquote work or
any of that stuff.
It's just.
They're just not that goodbecause they lost.
They lost Lucas and then they just.
It was felt like they weretreading water for ages and it took
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them way too long to promoteFiloni up to.
Up to overseas stuff.
That's my.
Yeah, my two cents, dude.
Like Marvel always had a feige.
So you had somebody that knew.
Knew what they were doing,getting it all together, sorting
everything out, steering the ship.
Star wars lost that personwhen George Lucas retired.
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And then you just had a groupof people kind of doing it, kind
of, kind of thinking they knowwhat they're doing.
And then you had somebody inthe background who definitely did
know what they were doing, butjust left him in the, you know, the
broom closet to do theanimation in the background.
And then all of a sudden it'slike, actually this guy's the.
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That's good.
Well, you know, I mean, that'sthe thing as well, if you think about
it, like, okay, the approachto Force Awakens with this whole
Neo fascism sort of thing.
Neo, you know, undertones oflike, Neo Nazi and so on and so forth,
which I totally got, like, fine.
But there was no risk involved.
There was no.
There was no reason that theycouldn't tell a different story.
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It didn't have to be a storyof another order rising.
And then you fast forward to,like last week, Charles Soul, a friend
of the show Charles Soul,announced that he's doing this whole
comic book run around, andhe's like, super excited about it
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and, like, putting it out asif it's such a big thing.
And it is in the Star warsuniverse, like, oh, we're gonna explore
Kylo Ren's obsession withDarth Vader and what happens, right?
And you're like, oh, what the hell?
Like, that was the film.
Like, that was.
That was.
That is the film.
Right?
That's what the film shouldhave done.
You know, they even lined it up.
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You know, I'll finish what you start.
And then it was like, I forgotabout that.
You know what I mean?
So.
And it just.
Yeah.
Don't remember.
And it.
You just sort of like, I wantto even get excited about the child's
soul stuff and that stuffthat's coming out in comic.
But it just winds you upbecause, you know, that would have
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made better movie.
You know, that fight with, youknow, just the tussle.
You know, Han, Luke and Leiawere positioned so well to tussle
with this kid being obsessedwith Darth Vader.
Like, how does that.
Not interesting?
It doesn't even need to do abig action film.
It's just, you know, we've gotthis rebellious little teenage that's
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super powerful.
How do we stop that happening again?
And then this other, you know, the.
The other storyline runningalongside it, which could be anything,
a new threat, a new anything.
And I just.
Now they're doing it in thecomic and you're like, what?
What are you doing?
Yeah, it's almost like they're.
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It's like they're starved alittle bit of where to go of ideas,
I guess, that they're not surewhere to go.
So they're just treading.
Treading old ground a little bit.
But it's interesting groundbecause it's not been really dealt
with.
And that's the frustratingthing is that if you introduce a
new character that's the sonof laying layering Han, the fallen
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Nephew of Luke Skywalker, whowas obsessed with Darth Vader.
And then you don't evenaddress any of it.
That's like releasing thePhantom Menace and being like, oh,
that kid's going to becomeDarth Vader.
And then the next film is anew hope.
You know what I mean?
Well, how did that happen?
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No one cares about that.
Well, I think they tried toaddress it a little bit, you know,
with the flashbacks that Lukehas, you know, when he's in the tent
and he's about to kill him.
But that's a differentflashback to what actually happened
and whatnot.
But that was only like, we'retalking seconds.
And that's them trying to beall clever in it.
That's them trying to be thewhole a certain point of view thing.
But it's just completelysubtextual and completely unfocused
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that you're like, you justmiss it if you're not looking for
it.
If you're not like, oh, Starwars about perspective.
Right, okay.
And you just.
You just miss it because it'snot well done.
Yeah.
So it's frustrating, man.
It is.
It's frustrating to.
To number one to see themtrying to fix stuff that should have
been done on screen in thecomics and the books whilst also
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then announcing this constantstream of new stuff that probably
like 40% of it even gets closeto coming out.
Really difficult.
Yeah.
Yep.
It will take cleverer minds than.
Than you or I.
Well, definitely you probablynot to.
Well, at this point.
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Yeah, at this point.
Oh, dear.
Anyways, Simon Kinberg, bestof luck to your fella.
You're gonna need all your.
You're gonna need the best ofluck to.
To get this one rocking and rolling.
We'll obviously keep you up todate as we roll through next year.
I can't imagine anythinghappening mega soon for this.
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Unless this is one of thosethings where he's just been doing
it as a side hustle and thenhe's got the entire thing already
done and mapped out and caf'slike, yeah, cool.
So I'd imagine he's not evenclose to pre production on anything
yet.
So this is a few years away.
We'll keep you up to datetalking to something that definitely
is happening, though.
Skeleton Crew got a newtrailer for that dude last week,
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as is the usual timing afterwe recorded last week, literally
an hour later.
I think trailer drops forSkeleton Crew and that's done around
as well, with a lot of outletssaying that the usual stuff that
we've spoken about don't Diveinto that too much.
Basically, everyone's saying,you know, it's Stranger things in
space, Goonies in space,Spielberg vibes, Amblin vibes, all
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that stuff.
So that's the obvious stuff.
But what did you think to someof these specifics in the trailer
that they expanded on that wedidn't see in the first one?
So, you know, in the firstteaser that dropped, we saw a little
bit of suburban life in Star Wars.
We saw, obviously, the kidsand Jude Law and.
And that was it.
But in this one, we've got alittle bit more of a direction into
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how the vibe's going to be, Ithink, for the individual episode.
So add a little bit more gritto it, this trailer, a little bit
more threat with what's going on.
Space pirates after the kidsand whatnot.
But they still keep the.
They're still keeping the JudeLaw character under wraps in terms
of what his MO Is.
And is he a Jedi?
Is he not all that stuff?
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So what are your thoughts on the.
On the trailer, man?
Yeah, man, I quite like it.
I sort of want this one to becompletely disconnected and just
have a little bit of fun andjust to see how everyone feels about
that.
You know, if it turns out he'sa Jedi, all well and good.
If it turns out he's not allwell and good, you know, I mean,
I don't know how old Jude Lawis like this.
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It takes place, what, 30years, 25 years after.
So he'd like 10 years after return.
Of the Jedi, Roughly.
Yeah, yeah.
Does it?
I thought it was in the Mando space.
Yeah.
So 10 years.
Five, 10 years.
Yeah, it's.
Man.
Sorry.
Yeah, yeah, five, 10 years.
All right.
So that's like, late Mandostuff, isn't it?
It's like where we get where.
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Where the Mandalorian is now.
So, yeah, the timing works.
He could just about probablyjust about, like, be a Jedi, like
Caleb Doom sort of Kanan Jarusage, Caletis age, you know, 18, 19
at the fall of the Jedi Order.
So, yeah, I.
I just want this to be on its own.
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Just have a little bit of fun.
Lean into the vibes, lean intothe standby, me, the Goonies, the,
you know, all the ambling stuff.
Just lean into the Spielbergfeel to it and just see what happens.
And, yeah, I feel all rightabout it.
I thought the grittiness wasquite interesting.
I thought it was interestingthat it was like, it appears that
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Jude Law just happens uponthese kids that are getting to a
little bit of, you know, heonly ends up taking him home or what?
You know, whatever reallyobvious sort of, you know, what?
You know, takeaways from thetrailer, which maybe bait and switch,
who knows?
But yeah, just the acolyte.
Looked all right, didn't it?
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And it wasn't that good.
But then this, you know, I decide.
I don't know, I'm just hopingthat it just sort of remains, like,
not.
Not normal.
And just when I say normal, Imean, like, tells its own story.
Doesn't try and, you know,doesn't try and pull in certain directions.
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You know, it doesn't try andlink to the saga, for example.
If it does naturally, all welland good.
If it doesn't all well andgood, people hate it.
People hate it, though.
People hate it.
There will be a.
Yeah, there'll be a bunch ofpeople that slay it after.
They'll.
They'll watch 30 seconds ofit, pause it, jump on Twitter and
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say it's the worst thing thatthey've seen ever.
You know, there'll be peoplelike that.
But, yeah, I hope you'reright, dude.
I mean, totally the samemindset as that.
I just want it to be a nice.
I just want a bit of magicback, you know, in Star Wars.
Just a cool.
A cool adventure with noheaviness on it.
It's not buckling under thepressure of its own weight that it's
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put on itself because you haveto link it to a billion other things
and introduce all that stuff.
There's a small part of methat thinks, fuck, Jude Law's character
is probably going to be a fucking.
The kid of the clone of Palpatine.
That's going to be blah, blah, blah.
What?
We just.
Yeah, ain't it?
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No, thank.
I know that's.
There's 10% of me that's like,that's coming.
Something like that is.
Is going to be in it at some point.
There'll be the cliffhanger tothe final episode before the second
season where, you know,fucking Palpatine's involved some.
Yeah, whatever.
But hopefully not my.
Hopefully it's just a.
And the trailer does lookpretty cool, I think in the first
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teaser that they brought out,I think a lot of people were like,
this doesn't feel like Starwars to me.
Like, it just because of the whole.
It felt more Earth, like withthe whole streets with the cars and
people going to work and kidsin school and stuff like that.
It felt like Grange Hill.
Oh, he's going back.
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No, you're going back.
So this one feels like it'skind of still got that.
But it also is a bit more.
Now we've.
Now we've seen more sort ofspace travel and, you know, pew,
pew, pew.
And some other bits going on.
Yeah.
It does feel a little bit moretowards a direction you expect something
in the Star wars universe tobe set.
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So.
Yeah.
Quite liking this trailer.
It's not too bad.
Seen better trailers, seenworse trailers.
We'll see.
Yeah.
I hope you're right, dude,about it not being anything linked
to like, I don't want them touse this sort of thing to retcon
anything.
I'll tell you what, dude, thefirst time that Jude Law's character,
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they get into conversationabout where you're from.
What's the betting that.
Oh, yeah, there's this planetin the Outer Rim.
Yeah.
Better not be exaggeral.
Yeah, Been there a few times.
Or Tatooine.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
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Why is that where everyone goes?
Must be.
It will either be.
It'll be the boring, oh, yeah,I'm from Coruscant.
Of course you are.
Or it will be the obvious, I'mfrom Tatooine.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
My dad's mate Owen and Yeah,they're knocked about together.
Oh, yeah.
Or the other one.
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It will be, yeah.
Exegol.
There's some weird going on in Exegol.
We should probably go backthere at some point, check it out,
see what's going on.
It's just.
Yeah, it's just a big gimpy in it.
But I just hope it's not anyof that.
I hope if he's a Jedi.
Cool, whatever.
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But I saw it.
Doesn't it?
Or is it going to be like somesort of Han Solo scoundrel Murph
or, you know, that kind of.
That'd be quite interesting.
You know what I mean?
Had run ins with a rebellionand know whatever.
He is Force sensitive though, right?
Because in the first teaser,he made the thing float across.
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Oh, yeah.
Do you remember?
So he is a Force.
Don't know if he's a Forceuser as such.
Don't know whether he's Jedior Sith, whatever.
Or he could be linked to, youknow, the.
The witches in the coven.
He could be using the threadinstead of the Force.
Yeah, we're forcing it byanother name.
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You know what I mean?
What I hope doesn't happen islike, oh, guess what?
I didn't have a dad.
Oh, God.
Anyway, we'll see.
Yeah, hopefully.
I'm hoping that he's a scoundrel.
Like a Han Solo.
Type of dude.
Yeah, just have a bugs butjust happens to be a.
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Something that they wereprobably wanting to do with Finn's
character in the sequeltrilogy because they kind of alluded
to a little bit, didn't they,that he was gonna be.
Yeah, so something like that.
That'd be cool.
Some.
Let's move on some gaming newsbecause we've spoken about films
and TV shows and happening andnot happening, whatnot.
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There's even more stuff that'spotentially not happening in Star
wars games.
So.
Nice one.
Well, it sounds mint.
Let's dig into it.
There we go listeners.
Just to perk you up, get youmotivated for some gaming.
Here's some other canceled stuff.
So with the launch of StarWars Outlaws, that was the first
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game that launched outside ofthe exclusivity license that EA had
with Lucasfilm and Lucasfilm games.
So that's kick started a bunchof stuff that was announced a while
ago, admittedly with the.
With a view to the future thatthey would be able to release it
without EA as the publisherand everything like that.
And a couple of those gamesare still on the map and a couple
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of them we know are definitely happening.
So the first one, this is oneof those ones that was announced
ages ago and we still don'tknow what's happening with it.
That's Star Wars Eclipse.
So Star Wars Eclipse.
Was that the bong one?
Bong, yeah, yeah.
Bong, yeah, bong.
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That one.
Yeah, exactly that, yeah,yeah, nailed it.
It was, it was a kind of darksidey acolyte bong, Bob Bong thing.
It probably, if this stillcomes out, this will probably be
better than the Acolyte Iwould say.
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It's got that kind of justloads of stuff that we've not seen
in any Star wars books orfilms to date.
But it's very heavily, you cantell it's like early dark side Sith
stuff.
It's made by developer Quantic Dream.
They had a really good gameout a few years ago called Detroit
Become Human.
Really, really good storydriven narrative, first person story
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driven game.
Really good FPS.
That's what I call it.
Yeah.
And this was out, thistrailer, believe it or not was 2021
that they, they launched the trailer.
So it went into limbo for awhile and then I think one of the
head, the head dudes at thestudio basically said look, I can't
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give you any more deets butit's definitely not cancelled so
take that as you will.
But we don't know release datefor that one thing that's definitely
happening is the third game inthe Jedi series that takes place
after Jedi Survivor with Cal Kestis.
That's happening already.
We know definitely that's indevelopment and that's likely to
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launch probably 2026, I would say.
I'd imagine we'll probably getsome kind of teaser drop or trailer
announcement at the back endof next year and then probably the
back end of 2026 that willprobably drop.
So that one's definitely happening.
We've also got this remake ofKnights of the Old Republic.
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Again that's very similar toStar Wars Eclipse.
That was one that wasannounced, had a little some artwork
knocked up for it.
The studio said, yeah, it'sgoing really well.
Then it went into limbo.
The studio was bought out byanother company, didn't know what
was going on with it.
And then Carbon Copy.
Somebody at the studio said,look, it's definitely not canceled,
but can't tell you any deetson on when the release date is coming
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up for it.
Blah, blah, blah.
This one looks really coolactually because it's a solid game.
Back in the OG Xbox days whenthese kind of games were really,
really cool, like the Fablegames and that kind of thing, you
just get lost in it.
Really, really cool.
So.
And this one and Knights ofthe Old Public two are often cited
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as some of the best Star wars games.
It's always in people's topthree, so that'd be cool.
And then just very quicklywe've got a strategy game, untitled
as yet.
This is from Respawn, the guyswho make the Jedi Fallen Order games.
If you think back to the oldlike Command and Conquer games and
that sort of thing, that couldbe quite cool.
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And then lastly, we've gotanother untitled action adventure
game.
So this was first.
This kind of game for Starwars has been rolling along for a
few years now.
I remember like years ago, thewoman who was the head writer on
the Uncharted games, sheannounced that she was doing this
Star wars like big action RPGstyle game that then went to.
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She started her own studio andI think she's back on it or something
like that.
It was called Project Ragtagto begin with.
And this was based on likeJohan Solo, Scoundrel, you know,
taking on the shady side ofthe galaxy sort of thing.
This is apparently still in development.
New developer now, SkydanceNew Media and release date to be
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confirmed.
So, dude, I know you've notgot a controller in your hands too
much these days, but we've gota dozen or half a dozen games here
which will likely be out overthe next five to six years.
So any of these pique your interest?
The yeah, the whole projectragtag one does actually.
Mainly because I like the deadspace stuff.
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Really remember that comingout like back in the day.
God knows I get 20 years ago.
So yeah, I, I, I, I like thatsort of game.
I'm not saying it's going tobe that kind of game, but that, you
know, if that studio made thatgame then it, I'm a fan of it, so
I'm quite interested in that.
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Obviously the Knights of theOld Republic had.
I never really played thosegames just because I like they just
weren't in my wheelhouse.
Like I played them a littlebit but didn't get obsessed with
them.
So I'd quite like to getobsessed with them and do it through
the remake.
So that'd be quite good.
The strategy one, I'm not thatfussed about the Jedi one obviously
I am.
I've actually got JediSurvivor to play, which I might start
next week.
Actually I've got a spare bitof spare time now.
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The Eclipse one, I am curiousabout it like you said, it's just
I didn't realize it was likethree years ago since we got the
trailer.
So I am actually curious aboutthat one because I like the High
Republic stuff.
Despite the Acolyte.
I still think there's someinteresting stuff in that.
In the Acolyte as we know and,and where this is set within the
High Republic sort offascinates me.
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It does make me wonder whetherthey're going to do anything like
to pick up the Acolyte threads.
And maybe that's why it'staking a bit of time because there's
some.
There were a couple of greatcharacters in there.
So the.
I think inevitably as youalluded to, like I don't get to play
that much anymore.
So these will always be sortof backup things.
It'll always be something thatI do when I just oh crap, look at
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that.
It's on sale or it's.
It's free on Game Pass orPlayStation plus this this month
or whatever.
So I, I won't rush to get anyof them but all of them apart from
the strategy one because Ijust, I don't have the patience for
that stuff anymore.
I will, I will end up playingat some point.
I'll end up playing at some point.
What about you?
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If you had to pre order onethat wasn't Survivor sequel, which
one would you pre order?
It would either be the, theRagtag project, ragtag game.
If it is going to be in theilk of the Uncharted.
Because they're really goodgames, the Uncharted games.
Especially the last three.
Two or three, just real.
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You don't have to think toomuch, you know, you don't have to
worry about scaling up likeyour level trees.
And it's just a realcinematic, story driven game.
So that could be quite cool ifthe characters are done right with
that one.
So it's either that one orEclipse, I think.
I think if Eclipse is donewell and they steer clear of some
of the, some of the crap wehad in the Acolyte, that could be
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very cool from a story perspective.
Yeah.
Because that trailer wasreally stylized and really at some
point you thought is this atrailer for like Dune or something?
Or is it, you know, like thatold Blade Runner, Dune style.
Dune, sorry, style sci.
Like Dune.
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Dune.
You read the books?
Read the books.
You read the Doom books?
Have you?
Didn't think so.
I haven't got.
I haven't got three years spare.
I got the whole Dune trilogyright in one book.
It's about fucking six foot four.
Have you read them?
Have you read it?
No.
I get bogged down with Starwars shite, don't I?
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Well, you might have finishedthat in a quicker time than you did.
What was that Jedi book you're reading?
Living Force.
Oh, let's.
Yeah, I finished all the Starwars ones.
Got caught up.
Let's move to another Sandybook in space.
Yeah, let's not, let's not do that.
Yeah, apparently they areclassic books though.
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Who knows?
Yeah, last one to finish up with.
This should be a non story, really.
It should be.
But because this is Star wars,it's obviously hilariously been latched
onto by a portion of fandom.
So this comes the reason why,why it's.
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It's a story because it hasappeared in some of the.
The bigger news outlets.
So here in the uk, the DailyMail, this is their website, Mail
Online and I've seen it pop upin another few outlets as well.
Is this stormtrooper calledSister, which is the first official
at least transgender characterto appear in the Star wars universe.
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And I think this comes via anew book that's just launched with
this character.
Where is it?
So yeah, so there was a bit offan art.
So the character itself hasbeen knocking around for a little
while and then there was somefan art for it and then the characters
was picked up and.
And there's was part of arecent book.
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What's the book.
Is it A Queen's Hope is thebook that they first appeared in.
I think that was the book.
And so, yeah, this.
This dreadlocked sportingsoldier, stormtrooper soldier is
a thing.
Like, we've got the firstofficial image, which is in a.
Which has come from Lucasfilmand Star wars and whatnot.
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So the reason why it should bea non story is because it's, you
know, it's 2024, but Star warsfandom are not too happy with it.
So they've screenshotted a fewtweets and stuff.
There's only a few, but it isthe voice of quite a sizable chunk
of fandom.
So someone says, I rememberwhen Star wars used to be about space
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wizards, epic adventures, andlightsaber combat.
Now it's this with a bunch of emojis.
Somebody else says, this can'tbe real.
Got to be a parody.
There is no freaking way.
And then somebody says this.
She literally has the transflag on her armor.
The transgender flag.
This is supposed to be agalaxy far away, not downtown California.
These people just love to killescapism and fantasy.
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So, mate, yeah, fans are nothappy, as usual, about something
to do with Star Wars.
It's a weird thing, isn't it,this, because I do get both perspectives
on it.
And I'm not saying that thetrolls are right, but I'm saying
that I understand sort of thepoint of the escapism element of
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it, but at the same point,like, who cares?
Live and let live.
Like, if everyone.
You know, we live in a worldwhere there's a requirement for more
representation.
And as much we're set.
As much as we're setting thesestories in alien galaxies and, you
know, beyond, they are stillwritten by people from Earth.
So, you know, it's alwaysgoing to reflect the times and the
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fact that it's not escapism.
It fucking ally and New Hopewas Vietnam War inspired.
You know, we talked about it earlier.
Neo Fascism, neo Nazism.
And so, like, they've always had.
They've always had undertones of.
Of politicism and socialcommentary and everything else that
went on it.
This is no different.
I do understand people saying,well, sort of, what's the point?
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Because I just don't think.
And I'm saying I understand itbecause I see that they won't get
why it's not a problem,because if it causes you offense,
then there's.
There's something clearlywrong with probably you getting offended
by everything.
But then you can just.
You don't.
Like, if you don't.
If you don't, if you're notinterested in what difference does
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it make to you?
You can, like, this character exists.
It's just a character whogives a.
You can just move on and youcan enjoy stuff.
And you know, I mean, it's notlike someone should see this and
go, do you know what?
I disagree with this.
So I'm never going to enjoyStar Wars.
Like, who cares?
You know, like, it sort ofmakes no sense.
I, like I said, I do get theperspective because I understand
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that they just simply won'tget it.
And I just, I, it's just ashame that you can, you can put stuff
out to try and basicallyinspire other people that it's not
like this is not to forcetransgender, transgenderism into
Star wars.
It's to help people that mightbe struggling with things to understand
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that it's cool.
Like, you know, even thepeople at Disney and the people that
have got these billion dollarfranchises that they keep canceling,
you know, they still thinkabout people like you and you can
identify, I think we all needto identify it.
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Like, that's why the moaning,boring, middle aged twat of an old
white guy loves Predator andloves Commando and loves Rocky and
loves anything with Van Dam in it.
Because it's like, ah,identify with that.
Look at me, I'm inspired.
I'm gonna do it.
But it's because it's not VanDamme or Stallone or any of that.
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They're like, oh no, I don'tlike that.
That's not my inspiration.
So why should we like it?
And it's so, yeah, you know, Imean, Star wars fans are outing themselves
as like the biggest twats inthe world.
A lot of them, like the maleswill just wear signs on their armor
that just says twat becausethey're just, It's a difficult.
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I always think about this likethrough the lens of being a parent
and you know, having a youngkid, not an older kid, like a young
kid.
How would you explain that toyour kid?
How do you say that persondoesn't like this character because
they don't like something thatthey deem to be different?
Like, how would you explainthat to a kid?
And if you were sat there infront of like one of the trolls,
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they would.
And you would just say youwere trying to ask them to explain
it to your kid.
They would probably attackyour kid or you for trying to understand
it.
And it's like, it's the sameold argument.
All they'll do is be like, oh,you're woke.
It's like the get out of jailfree card in it.
It's the get out of jail free car.
When there's no decentargument, there's no way to think
(50:20):
of anything.
You don't have the brains toarticulate anything.
And you don't know that you'restupid enough to not argue with.
You just go, oh, you're walk,aren't you?
Oh, you're offended by everything.
And you're like, well, wait a minute.
All the one tweeting you peck.
So I.
I'm always disappointed bythis stuff, dude.
I just think I, like I said, Iunderstand why they do it because
(50:42):
they don't get why it needs tobe done.
And what difference does itmake if you don't like it, just move
on.
Like, I don't like Captain Phasma.
She's boring as a character.
But I don't go and tweet aboutit because I don't care.
I just understand that otherpeople like it and like that character.
So, yeah, we rant about thatall day, man.
(51:04):
But people are absolute moronsa lot of the time.
It's weird, isn't it?
Yeah.
I think everyone just needs a.
They feel like they have tohave a voice on stuff these days.
It's always the voice, though,that's like, it's always the same
voice.
It's always the quote unquoteanti work.
And like, you can never have adiscussion with them because like
(51:26):
I said, all they'll do is goyour work.
And you can't.
They just hit you back withthe whole, oh, you get offended at
everything.
Like, no, it's not.
You cannot.
We're having a discussion andyou have nowhere else to go with
it.
So all you do is start sayingthings like that.
It's.
It genuinely is the classic,you can't argue with stupid people.
It genuinely is.
Because they don't know the stupid.
(51:47):
That's what I was going to say.
You can't, can't argue with stupid.
I think with a lot of people,they have too many fucks to give.
And I think that's somethingthat maybe comes with age and wisdom
and experience, I guess.
But like, the amount of, theamount of fucks that I wake up with
in the morning is drasticallyless than when I was 20, 21.
(52:11):
Whatever.
I've got like three in the bag.
I used to wake up with like 50of them.
Yeah.
But now, now I've got three.
A push and you know, tweeting about.
Tweeting about a photo of atransgender stormtrooper in a book
that no one's gonna buy is notone of them.
(52:32):
Well, that's the thing.
In it, you wake up with, like,in my book, you've got two Belen
credits.
Everyone's got two bell endcredits, right?
You can spend one on a mistakeand then the second time, you understand
that.
Actually, that's, you know,fool me once and all that sort of
stuff.
So everyone gets two bell endcredits for me.
And that's it.
(52:54):
That's my version of notreally caring about this stuff.
And it's like, wow.
You say, well, I could spend.
Like, why would I spend timetweeting this stuff?
I just go and do somethingthat I enjoy doing.
Yeah, yeah.
And also, I think it's a caseof they just don't want to.
They don't want to.
What's the word?
(53:15):
They have a problem with it.
And that's as far as they wantto go.
They just want to close it off as.
Yeah, it's woke.
Whatever.
So if you were to.
If you were to say to them,look, let me just hit you with a
scenario, right?
You're a teenager who istransgender, you know, and you hate
the fact that the world hatesyou for it.
(53:36):
And there's all these coolStar wars conventions that you want
to go to, but you can'tbecause you feel like you're just
going to be attacked or you'regoing to be made fun of, whatever.
You see this picture and aboutthis character, and then that inspires
you to then think, actually, it.
I'm just going to do it.
So I'm going to cosplay asthis stormtrooper, and I'm going
to go to this Star warsconvention, and I fucking loved it.
(53:58):
Are you really telling me thatyou wouldn't want that experience
for somebody?
They would be like, well, whenyou put it like that, yeah, you know,
fair play to him.
You know, whatever.
It's like, well, hell, that'sthe whole point, mate.
You know, that's the thing, man.
Yeah, that's it.
And it's.
People are idiots, man.
And it's like the wholeacolyte thing.
Like the same twats that arestuck in the mum's basement in the
(54:21):
pants complaining about twowitches are the same ones that are
fucking porn or being lesbianporn because they've got fuck all
else to do.
And it's.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, just in the pants.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
They're literally all the same.
They are.
There are.
They're either losers thatdon't do anything or losers that
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do too much and think they'veachieved something.
And mostly that's everyone'sthat is doing this is a loser.
Like an actual loser.
Like, if you were to call themfor genuine help, they wouldn't be
able to do anything about itor ask them for ideas or solutions.
They wouldn't be able to do it.
Do you know what I mean?
(55:02):
All they do is be like, oh,I'll come down pub and fate if you
want.
Fate if you want to fit.
You know what I mean?
Shut up.
You're a moron.
God.
Yeah, Talk about that.
Anyway, should probably put init, shouldn't we?
We should.
So that is the.
The transgender charactersister appearing in the book that's
just released, Secrets of theClone Troopers.
(55:23):
We'll see how well that goesdown in terms of sales and stuff.
But yeah, let's stick a pin init there, dude, for episode 237,
Spark of Rebellion.
(55:45):
Alrighty.
Thank you very much forlistening to another episode of Spark
of Rebellion.
It's been great to have youalong as we chat all the Star wars
news, even if there's littleof it, it's cool to break down and
dive into some of that stuff.
Let us know what you thinkabout the whole trilogy of films
from Simon Kinberg.
It's up on the Twitter.
You can findus@sparklebelly.com Twitter.
(56:05):
Let us know what you think.
We're on Instagram as well.
Instagram.
And we chat Star warsthroughout the week, so come and
get involved over there.
And as I mentioned, pleasemake sure you're following or subscribing
to SoR on your fave podcastapp so you get a notification every
Saturday when a new episode lands.
And thank you very much to ourmembers and supporters.
Kev, Danny, Pascal, all youguys are very, very cool.
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Thank you so much.
And you can support us as wellover@sparkrebellion.com support and
we'll have a pint on you thenext time we meet up at 4.
Next time, dude.
Until then, it's been cool tochat as always.
Always fun, dude.
Yeah, yeah.
Bit of a ranty one, actually.
We thought it was gonna be ashort one, didn't we?
But here we are.
Two things to rant about, butno, see you next week.
(56:53):
It'll be a fun one indeed.
Issa, until next time, takecare of yourselves.
And may the Force be with.
Sa.
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