For three decades, both Phil Koopman and Steve Wilson have been working in AI. They joined us on Making AI Work for You for a conversation about health tech safety and security.
With exceptional backgrounds and unparalleled experience, they share their perspectives on:
- Why cybersecurity is an “arms race”
- How safety standards differ from machine learning testing
- The considerations about the level of agency you give an AI system
- Why there needs to be a human “captain of the ship”
- Struggles with the software supply chain
- Why it’s critical to have rigorous engineering processes
Phil is an associate professor at Carnegie Mellon University, is the originator of UL 4600, and has been working on self-driving cars for 30 years.
Steve is CPO of Exabeam, is an author, a member of the TTIC, and is an expert in machine learning, LLMs, and cybersecurity. He’s been working in AI since 1992.
Topical time codes:
1:47 - Phil - The importance of humans in autonomous technology
5:10 - Phil - You need a captain of the ship for safety
7:04 - Steve - Agentic systems
11:09 - Steve - Software supply chains
15:39 - Phil - The challenge of making sure software is safe
17:54 - Phil - Testing doesn’t prove safety
20:27 - Phil - The purpose & value of UL 4600
23:06 - Phil - You can’t wait until something is on fire to put out the fire
24:16 - Steve - Culture of the Product environment
25:27 - Steve - Need for focus around safety and security for good decisions
26:07 - Phil - In embedded AI, there are real people on the other side
27:36 - Steve - Cybersecurity is an arms race
29:38 - Phil - People short-cut safety when they’re in a rush
Connect with Phil Koopman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philip-koopman-0631a4116/
Learn more about UL 4600: https://ulse.org/ul-standards-engagement/autonomous-vehicle-technology
Connect with Steve Wilson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wilsonsd/
Learn more about Exabeam: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exabeam/
Connect with Sherri Douville: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sdouville/
Learn more about TTIC: https://medium.com/@news_52674/about
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