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May 20, 2025 53 mins
Join William Glasgall, Penn IUR Fellow and Volcker Alliance Public Finance Advisor, and Susan Wachter, Co-Director of Penn IUR and Wharton professor and our expert panel as we address the rapidly darkening outlook for state and local budgets and what this means for policymakers, taxpayers, and investors. Panelists include Jonathan Womer, Director, Rhode Island Department of Administration; Emily Brock, Director, Government Finance Officers Association Federal Liaison Center; Shelby Kerns, Executive Director, National Association of State Budget Officers; Vikram Rai, former Head of Municipal Markets Strategy, Wells Fargo; Teryn Zmuda, Chief Economist, National Association of Counties. As the widely adopted July 1 start of their new fiscal year approaches, many states are facing fiscal challenges that few governors were anticipating as they delivered their annual budget messages only a few months ago. Even though states started 2025 projecting healthy cash reserves of almost $300 billion, that cushion will be tested by the Trump administration's suspension of tens of billions of dollars in U.S. grants as well as potential cuts by Congress to federal Medicaid funds. A possible threat to the federal tax exemption on most municipal bonds, the impact of a global tariff war, and the rising likelihood of a U.S. recession will also further constrain state and local budgets even as several years of record post-COVID federal stimulus comes to an end. Notable Quotes: “Other budget pressures that states are grappling with right now include education and housing affordability. On the revenue side, we have a slowing economy, as well as the impact of tax reductions that have slowed revenue growth.” - Shelby Kerns “State and local governments themselves bear 75% of the cost of infrastructure in this country, and we do that by design. We like to make capital decisions locally. But we need to have the market to underpin those streets, clean water, schools, affordable housing, and so much more.” - Emily Brock “The real difficulty on the operational side for states right now is the uncertainty that’s coming out of Washington. As the [Trump Administration] proposes new executive orders, in particular cuts, and then the courts turn those around in a different way, you’re left with a lot of volatility from an operational perspective, trying to figure out how to plan and strategize going forward.” - Jonathan Womer “Another challenge which I believe is facing the muni market is a liquidity crisis. I worry that we could see more broker-dealer exits from the muni market, which would hamper liquidity very adversely.” - Vikram Rai Be sure to subscribe to Special Briefing to stay up to date on the world of public finance. Learn more about the Volcker Alliance at: volckeralliance.org Learn more about Penn IUR at: penniur.upenn.edu Connect with us @VolckerAlliance and @PennIUR on Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn Special Briefing is published by Penn IUR and the Volcker Alliance, and made possible by funding from The Travelers Institute. The views expressed on this podcast are those of the panelists and do not necessarily reflect the position of the Volcker Alliance or Penn IUR.
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