March 3, 2025 • 59 mins
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In this episode of Spectruss Speakeasy, we sit down with Genesis the Grey Kid, a multidisciplinary artist, poet, and creative entrepreneur, to explore the intersection of art, music, business, and culture. From Chattanooga’s creative scene to navigating the music industry, Genesis shares raw insights on staying authentic in a world driven by algorithms. We discuss his transition from hip-hop to fine art, his thoughts on competition in the creative space, and the importance of surrounding yourself with the right people. Plus, we dive into Chattanooga’s evolving art and business landscape, the realities of monetizing creativity, and what’s next for Genesis.
Tune in for an inspiring, unfiltered conversation about creativity, entrepreneurship, and breaking industry molds.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
imagine like Anthony Bourdain, but with a paintbrush.
I was writing over at AtlanticRecords and we was working on a
Kid Cudi studio and I rememberthey were like yeah, we need to
put some gunshots in this.
I'm like what are you talkingabout, bro?
We live in an era where yourfamily can be canceled or
(00:21):
destroyed or torn apart orburned to the ground for having
a different opinion.
This is a weird question.
Would you ever sell one of yourbones?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, welcome back to another podcast here at Spectra
Speakeasy.
Today we've got Genesis thegray kid with us.
We're going to be just kind ofcatching up chatting, learning
more about him.
I've got a few of his pieces ofart here in the office.
I got the first one back,probably I guess that was the
old office.
What 2018?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, 17, 18, maybe 17.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, I've been collecting them since then, but
that one's still one of myfavorites.
And, Zach, we can include thisin there like show maybe a
screenshot of it or something.
But how you kind of got thathidden message in there.
Yeah, yeah, it's a good time.
It's like a perfect fit forlike what we do here and staying
creative and not all the workwe do.
We gotta be creative, Right,and really every part of life.
(01:19):
But since then collected somemore of the pieces and really
goes back to we're trying toremember before this, but I
think it was like 2013 or 14.
And the first time was probablyat Tremont Street, our original
office, and it had just becomeSylvie Huffaker Creative.
That was the office I slept infor a while when it was Sylvie
Development and I was trying tobuild websites and make some
money.
Oh, you were sleeping there too.
(01:39):
It was just me at first.
And then Hugh Huffick and I wekind of got um, uh, connected
through rock climbing and thenwe became business partners for
a little bit.
Um, but then somehow I thinkHugh cross paths with you first,
right, Like maybe a hip hopthing or poetry thing.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I don't know, it might've been at the same time,
but I know.
Uh, there was music involved.
Whatever it was, it was aroundmusic, because I think he was
playing, you were playing, I waswriting music.
It was a music thing for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And we had that.
I've got to go back and find Iwas thinking about it this
morning, kind of just goingthrough my head of all the
different interactions I hadover the years, and we just got
a boom, kind of a jib and boomcombo.
And we had that new fs 700camera and we're starting to
film commercials and like.
And you stopped by the officeand I think it's like midday,
middle work, and hugh had aguitar there and he started
(02:33):
playing and you started doingsome hip hop stuff, just like
freestyle, and then I wasfilming and I gotta go back and
find that it was such a goodtime man, that was a really good
time, was it?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Every time I think back during that time.
I don't remember what washappening in the city, like I
don't Like who was president, Ishould know that but you know
what I mean.
Like I just don't remember, Idon't know Like 2007,.
I don't remember what washappening for real, right yeah,
and I don't know Like 2007,.
(03:06):
I don't remember what washappening for real, right yeah,
and I don't know.
So 2012 is kind of like that.
I remember that, but thein-between I don't even know
what I was wearing.
I think I was wearing fedorasor something, but it's kind of a
blur a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It is.
I know what you mean.
I think I kind of remembereither by racing because 2007
you're like what was I doing?
Were you racing back then?
Yeah, it doesn't say I wasracing bicycles then.
I just dropped out of collegeactually, and was going to race
by you too, congratulations.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, no, okay, well, she asked her nice.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh yeah, uh then 2012,.
I remember that because that'swhen I moved into the office and
was living on the futon.
But I remember when we werefirst starting to hang out like
you were doing a lot of hip-hopstuff, writing music, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
It just started to get a little weird.
I was writing over at AtlanticRecords and we was working at a
Kid Cudi studio and I'm notgoing to say this guy's name
because he's a good guy, it wasjust the way the business went
down.
It wasn't for me, I just feltlike it was with music at that
(04:19):
time, working with a labelthere's a lot of chefs in the
kitchen I don't own, I'm not agun guy.
I don't have nothing againstguns, but I'm not a gun guy and
I was writing a song and Iremember they were like yeah, we
need to put some gunshots inthis.
You know we need to.
I'm like what are you talkingabout, bro?
(04:40):
And so it's like it doesn't.
Even if it isn't you, theydon't care.
It's like they're working on aalgorithm type type uh, they're
trying to just put thingstogether that they've seen work
before and and play a numbersgame like bean counting, and I
was that.
That just wasn't me.
(05:01):
So I had to, I had to step awayand and I didn't know if I made
the right choice in thebeginning because I was like man
, maybe I should have just didwhat I didn't want to do.
Get all the people like buildup the social and then maybe
seven years down the road, dowhat I want to do, because after
I left I was broke, I wasn'tmaking any money.
(05:21):
So those kind of thoughts comein your mind from time to time
when you step away from stufflike that.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I don't blame you, It'd be scary.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
It was scary.
I'm glad I did it, but at thattime it was terrifying.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's interesting how music is supposed to be so
creative.
And it is creative, it'ssupposed to all be creative, but
then there's become this, likeyou kind of mentioned, like an
algorithm, for I really seen itin country music just the last
decade especially.
It's crazy and they just hadthis whole like probably teams
of people in buildings studyinglike what it is people want to
hear and how to build the rightformula for lyrics and all that
(05:58):
and and that's been a thousandsimilar sounding things until
one hits and that one I pay forall the other.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, uh, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's crazy to me so a question for you.
I'll put you on the spot alittle bit.
Is there artists you like thesedays that you still feel like
isn't necessarily doing like thealgorithm formula approach?
But it's tom york, okay?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
yeah, radiohead, yeah , uh, I mean he's Tom York.
Okay, yeah, radiohead, yeah, Imean he stepped out of that
years ago, probably over adecade ago.
He stepped out of that wholebox and he's been making a lot
of beautiful atmospheric musicthat I feel like is coming out
of him, him, you know.
(06:48):
Yeah, when he first came I sawsome of that, but I think he was
also having to try to make achart-topping song where now he
just he doesn't care, he'smaking what he wants and he's
built up enough of a cultfollowing.
What a they getting it.
Either way, I bought one hisalbums like eight times, like I
already had it.
I was just handing it outbecause it was beautiful, it was
unique and I felt like he hadsomething to say and he was
(07:11):
saying it.
I liked it a lot.
I listen to him when I paintHim.
Miles Davis.
There's a lot of guys I thinkthat charted their path.
But you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's a.
I've got some albums even onvinyl as well, like that's one
blanket on is embarrassing, butit's one rainbow oh yeah, I know
the one you thought about inrainbows, it's got the colorful.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, I don't on the front.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, watch, have you seen?
Like the YouTube or like there?
Yeah, I, I don't know if Ishould know.
This Got Miss when they'replaying live, live in the studio
.
Yes, that is amazing.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's what I'm saying it's pure, it's like a
fresh squeezed orange juice orsomething I'm trying to think of
the right word for it, but it'shealing.
I like listening to their music, Even when he's talking about
dark stuff, like there's a songcalled I forgot the title but it
(08:16):
starts out with him looking ata lake and like running and
jumping off the cliff into thelake, Like, and it's just quiet
and he's one with this lake.
I don't know if he's talkingabout suicide or I don't know if
he's talking about just endingit all, but it's so beautiful
and it's so honest.
(08:37):
Even though I don't contemplatethose thoughts, Listening to
someone else who has it makes mebecome more acute to empathy
and compassion about things Iwould have never even pondered
on, because my mind doesn't goto that place but apparently his
does from time to time.
And it's a dark song, but I'mlistening to it on a sunny day.
(09:01):
You know what I mean.
It's beautiful.
He has that you can lead peopleto places when you're being
honest, you know yeah, yeah,there's something to it.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You see that a lot of musicians, like at least the
real ones, like I saw, there's ayou may have heard of this guy
named paul cawthon.
He's a country like kind ofsouthern country rock.
He did one song that, um,that's my blank on it.
Uh, southern Country Rock.
He did one song that.
I just went blank on it.
(09:30):
If I name the song, man, I'mreally going blank today.
I guess I got so much caffeine.
I did the same thing earlier.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I was listening to this song two days ago.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I couldn't think of the name, but he's been on.
Now he's been getting moremainstream country stuff.
But he just posted, or someoneposted for him on social media
last week.
It's funny Hannah and I weretalking about it like how these
musicians what is so common?
Johnny Cash, and the list justkeeps going.
They struggle with addictionand all kinds of suicide.
But someone posted for him likehey, paul's canceled all of his
(09:59):
concerts for the rest of theyear.
I think he just recorded onewith Morgan Wallen.
He's for the rest of the year.
I think he just recorded onewith Morgan Wallen and he's been
on a bunch of big albums andjust off the deep end completely
and it's like they're kind ofalways walking that line of
depression and suicide and allthat kind of.
But you kind of have to be intouch with your creative side a
little bit.
It's got to be demanding, toalways have to put yourself out
(10:21):
there and have to be creativeand then everyone's judging you
for what you're putting out.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But it's raw and you'd be really vulnerable.
That's why, if you're going todo it, you might as well be
creating what you like.
Can you imagine you're in thatcycle but you're also making
music you don't even like.
You don't even like listeningto your own stuff.
They come on the radio andyou're like yo, turn it off,
turn it off.
I got some homies in theindustry that they're like
they're not listening to whatthey're making.
(10:49):
It feels like they're working ajob that they hate.
You know, they tell you what towear this particular gentleman.
They're telling him what towear.
He doesn't even like wearingthe clothes that he's wearing.
He can't have his lady around.
He's married, he's a faithfulbrother.
He can't have her around.
You know it's weird stuff.
(11:12):
I know how old he is, and theydid this to me too.
I know how old he is, so hewalks in and I'm going to just
make up an age.
Let's say he's 35.
He's like I'm 35.
And they were like no, you're24.
He's like no, I'm 35.
Like no, you're 24.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Just because then you'll resonate more with the
audience.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, we want people to gravitate more towards you
know.
Oh, he got it so fast and he'sso young, what?
And his voice is this mature?
They a phenomenon, kind ofthing.
So yeah, and which made methink I wonder how many other
people are like you know, Idon't know.
(11:56):
It's just weird, man, thatindustry has just got so weird
to me and I was always drawingand sketching while I was in the
studio.
That is just that felt liketherapy while I was in the music
studio.
So when I left music to do artfull time, it was a, it was a
relief, it was.
(12:17):
It was like I enjoyed what Iwas doing.
There's not a bunch of, likechefs in the kitchen.
I made, made this, do you wantit?
I don't have to get a billionpeople to listen to this art
that I'm making.
If you lean in close enough tothe painting, you'll still hear
the music.
Music is always in me, but inthis fine art capacity, it's a
(12:43):
connection between me andanother person.
I enjoy it a lot.
The other thing it just wasn'tfor me, and I got friends that
are doing it at a high level andthey're crushing it.
Marco McKenzie, he's doing histhing.
Mike Stallone, aka Mike MurderMurder he's a beast.
(13:05):
Asap Monrovia you know Monrovia, really talented artist from
Liberia, monrovia, and he gotadopted by a family in Tennessee
but I seen him getting carriedinto a helicopter like having to
(13:26):
flee, like because it wasgetting that crazy where he was
in Africa.
Oh, wow and EC's managing himand they just like took off
Goldford.
He's killing it.
There's a lot of guys that'sstaying true to it and creating
some beautiful music, but I justdidn't know how to walk that
(13:47):
line.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
So whenever you got into the art, I mean that
transition, I remember that was,and my timeline made me off,
but it was kind of like, wasn'tit with like Lamp Post was kind
of starting to get kicked off.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, they gave me a residency.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I kind of I was cool with a few of them over there,
which was a huge help.
You remember Drew Bells.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I remember that name.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So Drew and Zay ran Fancy Rhino oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
they introduced me to Ted.
Ted Allen was the big dog overat Lampost, so me and Ted linked
up.
We just vibed prettyimmediately and I was always
around, fancy, just helpingother creatives go through,
(14:34):
navigate different things intheir head.
I like, I love people, I lovepushing on people, activating
them just creatively.
And so we would do all thesewild workshops.
I'd cut off all the lights,we'd take like 10 shots of
whiskey and lay on the floor andthen be like, all right, if
(14:54):
your personality was an entreeat Olive Garden, you know what?
We would just come up with wildexperiments just to see what
comes out of it.
And after a while I was likeI'm really going to pour
everything I have into doingthis fine art full time.
It's like 2015.
(15:16):
And I was talking with Ted andhe was like yo, we got a closet
in the back.
It was huge.
It wasn't a closet, it was like2,500 square foot space.
Yeah, it was huge, but theywere working closet.
It was like 2,500 square footspace.
Yeah, it was huge, but theywere working out in that thing.
It was called Fast Eddie's and,yeah, I hired some homies, we
cleaned it out and that was my.
The residency was at a VC andthat was huge because a lot of
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the people that was in that taxbracket to collect fine art.
I was crossing them all thetime in the elevator.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
That's where I met Joe, where the warehouse is now.
He was living on the fifthfloor.
I was on the second floor andwe kept seeing each other in the
elevator.
I'm covered in paint.
He got a suit on by like thefifth or sixth time.
He was like yeah, I'm going tograb some water from you.
And it was up.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's awesome.
Yeah, that's kind of like a Idon't know, a little bit of a
meant to be sort of thing, youknow.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, I didn't realize how important it's some
wild stuff that you learn justalong the way, like nobody
taught me it but just living it.
I was like, ah, okay, that'slike even like who you're
surrounded by, like if I'mhanging around, like I would
hang around a lot of artists andwe had a lot of fun, but we
(16:39):
were all really broke becausewe're all hanging around Like we
can't afford to buy eachother's stuff right but then,
like I start hanging around this, this, this other group, and
this group is a bunch of liketech founders and they're able
to buy a bunch of art.
And so now I'm telling my artistfriends, like yo, you should
come with me to, we're going tosoho House.
(17:01):
You know, blah, blah this isback in the day and I don't know
.
The return on that intersectionis huge when you put yourself,
especially as a creative, inthose spaces.
That's why me and my wife wetravel so much because you find
(17:21):
these rooms and you know if youcan go in being yourself, being
you know you got something tosay and you put it on the table.
It's like it's a gravity.
People get pulled to you, ideaskind of merge together.
It's beautiful.
And I didn't really pick it upuntil I think I got more serious
(17:46):
about the business behind theart.
It was usually just like we'reall creators, we're all artists.
This is fun.
But then when it's like, allright, I want to buy a house one
day, okay, I want to have afamily, I want to then you're
like all right, I can't be latejust because I'm an artist.
I got to show up on time, right.
Right, I was late today, butyou know, okay, you forget it.
(18:09):
But yeah, it's just I don't know.
It was a lot of business stuffthat started to.
Anyway, I'm rambling no it'sperfect.
It was a blessing man being inthat group seeing how businesses
grow, scale the people I wasmeeting none of them were
artists.
I would have never met them anyother way.
And now they're telling me like, oh, bro, you should come out
(18:30):
to Glacier Park.
Bro, we got this cat so Iwouldn't have went to Montana,
whitefish and Glacier Park to.
But now then I went out thereand I'm like yo, this is a vibe,
bro.
It's like an eagle grabbing abird like another bird and the
bird had a fish and then a bearate the three of them or
(18:50):
something you know.
It's crazy.
You wouldn't have saw that ifyou would have stayed, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
That's not in Chattanooga.
We got the eagle, we got thebear.
I guess we got black bear.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Man, I used to just be a Waffle House kind of guy.
Right right, like all the time.
Yeah, you know, now I go getthe bag and then you can go back
to Waffle House, but I got togo get it first, right, and then
you know what I mean I was, Ihad it backwards, but anyway,
yeah, good times.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
It's.
You know you bring up you andyour wife always traveling a lot
.
Whenever um hannah ran into youand hadn't seen you in a while,
I mean I've seen you around,but I really talked and it was
at massey's kitchen a coupleweeks ago.
Yeah, and you're talking aboutgoing, and you're going to new
york, and for you know, send anamount of time to do some work
up there.
And I was like, was your wifegoing with you?
And you're like, and it wasjust, it was so like matter of
fact, and I'll say, like all thepeople I've come across, like
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I've never heard a response likethis to it, and it was so
beautiful.
It instantly said, well, yeah,she's my best friend, of course
she's going with me, yeah.
And it was just like so absolute, and Hannah and I talked about
it later.
You know it was like it wasreally awesome.
You know like it was heartfelt,it was sincere, and I think you
(20:02):
care of themselves and kind offorget, like loving people and
relationships and all this stuffthat matters, you know, and
anyway that was props to youguys, because that's pretty
awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Much love shout out to karen.
She's building a museum man,she's, she's crushing it, she.
The things that she's buildingare going to outlive us.
I mean, my art is, but hers islike on an institutional level
so it can invite like a bunch ofother generations to it.
Art is kind of quiet, likesomebody will buy a painting and
(20:38):
it's for them and their familyand it can be an heirloom, but
it's like you're not wearing itso no one knows you really have
it.
It's like only for the peoplein their space.
But with a museum, can I saythe name of the museum Culture
and Code Museum?
It's like it's in public.
(20:59):
You can come look at this work,come look at this work, come
look at this.
You know you can be.
Uh, there's a, there's a magicthat happens between the heart
and another person when they,when they see something that
moves them.
So I I get excited about whatshe's building because it's
inviting the public, whereasmine is more like just private,
(21:21):
you know yeah, yeah, there'ssomething to that.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I hadn't really thought about that.
But when you're buying a piecefor yourself, like it kind of
winds up.
I guess your guests see it andthat sort of thing.
But it is kind of more personalversus, like you know, public
art and somewhere it can beshared.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Do you feel that way about?
Like you have your agency workbut then you have your sports,
half your sports.
Because you're an athlete, tryto be with like want to be,
sometimes does what you do whenyou're racing does that?
Feel like this is, this is me,this is like this is for me, or
is it like I don't know, likehow?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
yeah, yeah, it's a good question.
Um, without a doubt, likeracing, it's kind of the most
calm I'll ever be, because Itend to be like real hyperactive
and I'm always fighting likeadhd.
And so it is kind of for mebecause when I get out there and
race like one, it's pretty fast, it's scary, you know like I'm
scared, shitless, smashing treesand rocks, you know those
things are.
They don't move like and youhit them you've.
You know you usually breaksomething and you're calm when
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you're doing it.
Yeah, because there's nothingelse you can focus on.
You know, it's like all yourbrain can focus on is like right
then and there, so you'rereally living in the moment and
all you're thinking about islike controlling your breathing
and where your vision's looking,and so there's like a whole
kind of peace, tranquility sideof it and it's totally just for
me.
Yeah, um, the parts of like Ikind of feel it's in some ways
kind of you talking about likethe art side of music and how in
(22:47):
some ways it kind of getsperverted a little bit with all
like the business side coming inand like wrecking the beautiful
art side of it sometimes inover.
I try to like document theracing side, basically for
benefits of my business, becausemost people don't want to hear
about marketing advertising, youknow.
So we try to do things likepodcast and add racing to it and
a lot of it, and even sometimesracing in general like, hey, I
just need to go out in the woodsand ride by myself, but, um,
(23:09):
and not document it, no oneknows about it, but but then we
got to make money.
Then when you know, and I needto try to, you know, keep money
coming in and make spectra abusiness, and so it kind of adds
like that thing to look at,keep us top of mind and, um, it
does sometimes make me feel likea douchebag.
People like, oh, you think yourace, so I'm like, dude, I'm
turning 40 next month.
You know like I'm not a red bullathlete, middle-aged man trying
(23:32):
to go fast still and be awannabe, um, but I still enjoy
it.
I love it, you know.
And the competitive side doespush me more than um.
If I just went for rides, whichI enjoy doing with my buddies,
but you can never really pushyourself as hard as you will in
a race for some reason, likeunlocks, a whole nother level of
, yeah, primitive things, youknow, like hunter-gatherers
going out for the kill and theirlife depends on it.
(23:54):
It's something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's tied to it one of my, one of my, uh, really
close friends.
He was at interesting, youbrought that up.
He was saying like he was likegee, you need to find someone to
compete with.
And I'm like what do you mean?
Because I'm just painting andit's like the eye of the
beholder or whatever.
But he's like no, for real youneed, because you don't know how
(24:20):
far you can go until you findsomebody.
And I'm like, well, bro, art isa little bit like jazz, like
we're competing with a lot ofghosts.
Mostly I mean, yeah, that'sinteresting.
Coltrane dropped a new albumlike three years ago.
You know what I'm saying, likethere's and Miles could easily
(24:41):
there could be some rendition ofsomething that he's like.
Number one against so.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And similar with poetry.
A lot of the greats are stillselling really well.
But he was like I don't care,bro.
Like find whoever's at the topof their game right now, put
their picture on the wall andwhoever these ghosts are.
Like I brought up Picasso.
He's like I will put hispicture up beside it.
(25:06):
Like get some bones from ahospital.
Like make a war room.
Look at these guys, pretendlike they're talking shit.
Just, you know what I meanBecause he's an athlete.
He used to play pro balloverseas.
So he's like, bro, you tap intothat, you'll push yourself a
(25:30):
little further.
This was really.
He told me this like fivemonths ago.
Like has it?
I mean, I'm still trying to.
I'm not that I don't know, I am, but I'm not.
So I'm trying to figure out howto do it as an artist.
Yeah, but still like competingwith myself, mostly you.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
You know it you know, my first thought is it kind of
feels like that gray line oflike the perverted part of you
know art being run by you knowbig corporate.
You know you're talking aboutlike red bull supercross
athletes, like I feel like theyprobably maybe lose a little bit
(26:07):
of the beautiful side of ridingmotorcycles and being in nature
, you know, but it does make youbetter, yeah, and it's like
where's this fine line of likeyou don't want to lose, like
your heart and soul in it, butyeah it does make you better.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I mean, would we have michael jordan if he didn't
have to like, do all of like youknow, with the Pistons fouling
him and all of these teamscoming at him?
Maybe we needed the Utah Jazz,maybe we needed.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, the Knicks Shout out toJohn Starks.
By the way, hydrate, he rose.
(26:40):
Michael Tanner all those guyshave done some great things.
It's an energy drink.
They're crushing it.
Oh, cool.
But yeah, some great things.
It's an energy drink.
They're crushing it.
But yeah, I don't know.
I think we need competition.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
If Jordan had been hooping down the street and just
killing it in the neighborhoodthen that's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I'm sure there was a Jordan down the street.
We just don't know his name.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like that line between andyou're not competitive.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
You know, I want to come back to this theory, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Is it competing against someone or pressuring
yourself to be your best?
Because can you do?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
one without, I think the argument is.
I think what we're saying iscan you really know what your
best is if you don't have likeyou're running fast and you're
running your fastest, but iflike a crazy ass dog that he
just ate three babies in frontof you, he's nuts and he's like
(27:42):
running at you, you might run alittle faster with that dog
behind you.
That's pressure, though that'snot you.
That's pressure, though that'snot competition.
Competition is pressure, thoughright.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I do hear what you're saying, though, because I do
try to compete with my like.
At a race, for instance, I'mnot one of those that's just
trash-talking everyone around me, you know, like you suck or
something I know some peoplelike that fuels them, but for me
it's like I cheer everyone elseon, you know, and it's
competing against myself, butthem behind me or in front of me
does make me try a littleharder too, you know.
(28:15):
So I think there is a healthyamount of like making it about
making yourself better.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, too much of the other thing can be poisonous,
because then your ego can dosome weird stuff.
But I guess not enough of it.
And if you're always in theback and you're like, well, I'm
just happy to ride it's like youknow what I mean, kind of
complacency, man yeah, then youis that disrespectful for the
gift of life that you were given.
(28:40):
Like, oh well, you know I'mswinging for the fence.
Yeah, you know, but I don'tthink Tom York maybe is seeing
it as like I have to soundbetter than that guy, than the
talking heads.
Yeah, I feel like he was justin his own pocket, absolutely, I
(29:07):
mean, I guess I'm not sayingone or the other for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, I think it's a balance, like you, said, I feel
like I have like moments whereboth are true or times where
one's true and others not true,like there'll be times where I'm
like I don't want to race orhell.
To be honest with spectraceleste, since covid, like
everything you know, we almostwent under like it was lost.
So many clients, peoplecouldn't be open and I had to
shut a lot of things down.
Like I got a motorcycle rightbefore that.
It was perfect timing because Ididn't really want to do like
(29:31):
corporate feeling, businessthings and all the meetings and
have to be responsible and growthe business and I kind of
cruised up until the last twoyears.
So I spent three years basicallycruising, riding dirt bikes and
just enjoying life.
And then I kind of startedgetting that feel like all right
, I do want to make more money,I do want to have a little more
financial stability.
I also want to grow a businessand maybe leave a legacy I
(29:52):
whatever that means, you knowand so it kind of got me
motivated again and now, likedirt bikes and that stuff's kind
of taken a little bit of abackseat.
I'm still doing it, obviously,but I I think there's like ebbs
and flows of everything andmaybe that's one of them.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Now are scientists not doing this?
You would think scientistswould be like all right, we need
to beat cancer.
Like you know what I mean,right, you know what I mean.
Like the stuff that you shouldbe compared Like.
There's a lot of illnesses thatare like beasts out here Now.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
you might get me in conspiracy theories here, so you
got to be careful.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
No, we can.
You know we can go there.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I'm curious, like is it in their best interest to
really beat it though, you know,because it's such a big
business to treat it like withdrugs as opposed to fixing the
problem?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
You know I have a hard time.
You got a good point.
It wouldn't be in thecorporation's maybe best
interest, but the scientist hasa mother and a father or a
nephew or a niece or uncle,somebody that's been touched by
this monk, you know, like cancerdrove up and shot the crib up
(31:00):
and it's like, oh, mygrandmother just got hit, oh,
she got cancer.
Like you would think thescientists would be, like, you
know, not on my watch, and likeget in a car and just race down
to a lab and cook up the cure, Iguess.
Right, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
You're asking, like more proactive than reactive,
like what actually brought thecancer to the house?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
No, I think what you're saying is why cure if
they're making so much money onit being like still running amok
?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Really both.
I agree with what you're saying, because there's a lot of
studies that are now coming outwhere sugar is linked to causing
cancer and glaucoma and heartdisease, of course, and diabetes
.
Sugar's in like everything.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Everything.
Man Sugar's in like everything.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Everything, man.
It's in everything, but there'sactually.
I think it was.
Forbes released this back in2016, an article about in the
50s.
Now I'm paraphrasing all this,so my accuracy on data is going
to be out of order.
I've been paraphrasing, but theshort of it was that the FDA was
bought off for like a smallnominal amount it was like fifty
(32:09):
thousand dollars back in theday.
To basically say that thatheart disease and high
cholesterol came from anythingbut sugar was what the article
came out and they're bought offto.
To say that that's where itcame from.
It turns out with some sugarand that these sugar lobbyists
paid them off.
And that's what all thesedoctors were taught for the last
50, 70 years is that you needto stay away from cholesterol.
(32:31):
You need to stay away from salt, and salt balances your water.
It's part of electrolytes andthey're like high-salt diet is
hard on your heart.
It's like you can kind of eatpretty much as much salt as you
want.
They're finding now Crazy, butsugar is what you know all the
stuff is.
The rest of it is from sugar,but if you look at it,
everything has sugar.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I know, I feel like we had sugar before we came here
.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, I just finished an energy drink.
There's sugar all in there.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
You saved me with this, because there's no sugar
in this.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I don't know.
It says vanilla.
There may be sugar in that too.
Oh you know what?
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, I had some friends thatjust did dry January, but then
that wasn't hard enough for them, which I've done that last few
years.
This year I didn't want to be aquitter, so I just kept drinking
all this, oh man, yeah.
But they did dry January andthen they did keto, a strict
(33:21):
keto diet.
This is meat, yeah, all right,yeah.
So they didn't have this ismeat, yeah, all right, yeah.
So they didn't do any sugar atall and they were drinking
electrolytes from it's like LMNTor something like that
electrolytes, and they're reallyexpensive.
You buy a pack of them that'sless than a month's supply and
it's like $60.
It's basically just salt,magnesium, potassium, and it
says no sugar.
Well, apparently they starteddoing research because they kept
(33:43):
getting brought out of keto andwhen you're in that like gray
area of going full ketosis, yourbody's really miserable.
It's upset and then, once yougo full ketosis for long enough
time, you start burning your ownfat and you're okay.
But they kept getting broughtout of, they could feel, and
they felt miserable.
Turns out there's a lawsuitagainst lmnt that there's sugar
in it.
They didn't claim it.
They hit it because under onepercent of ingredients you don't
(34:05):
have to list it, and so theyhid it in the Ah and it's like
everything that being sold inAmerica feels like it has sugar
in it somewhere.
It's pretty hard to not consumesugar now.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
That's crazy, isn't it Disappointing?
Yeah, sugar and plastic I guessit's in everything man.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, I was listening to another podcast recently and
they were talking about how inEurope they only have 600
allowed ingredients in theirfood chain.
That's allowed by their versionof FDA, and here we have over
10,000 that are approved.
Why?
How did we come up with 9,400more ingredients than them that
are allowed in our food chain?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
thousand four hundred more ingredients than them that
are allowed in our food chain.
You know it's, I guess, isamerica just a big america is
essentially just a big businessdisguised as a country, almost
it seems like.
Seems like it with pharma atthe top of it.
Yeah, and we're just open to ifyou, if you got the money, we
can do business type.
Yeah, and it's very, I don'tknow, it's strange.
(35:08):
It is strange to be here.
I love it.
I can't imagine living like Ilive now anywhere else in the
world.
I really like living in thiscountry, but uh, it is kind of
weird.
When you look at all this othercrazy stuff, I mean it's oh
yeah, chris Rock, he has thisbeautiful thing the way he sums
(35:33):
up America.
He says America is like theuncle that molested you but then
paid your way through college.
When you start looking intosome of the darkness the
darkness that's, I mean it's inevery country, but you know,
(35:53):
it's kind of tough to findsomewhere else to go.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I mean, I love america too yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Crain wants to.
She's like yo, let's live initaly.
I'm like bro, they're notbuying art in italy.
I like italy's cool shout outto Italy.
I like Italy, but you know I'mstill in go-get-it kind of mode,
you know.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Right, they've got.
I mean, every other countryseems to have so many more
either taxes or laws and youknow, preventing all kinds of
things.
You know, like they've got thiswhole thing in the of, it's
like the freedom of speech,stuff that's going on.
That's crazy.
It's kind of scary.
People get put in jail formemes and posting online.
You can get thrown in jail fora meme.
That's what a lot of people aresaying.
(36:34):
You go online, you can readthings both ways, right, but it
seems like we still live in thefreest country.
But it's kind of hard to feelthat way sometimes here.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, Freedom is our biggest downfall too, what yeah,
what you mean?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
ah, we be wilding out .
That's true too yeah that'strue too.
Hey look America's cool.
Look just again.
I don't want to get grabbed outthe house and thrown into a
truck at night.
And this is they found his bodyin a river.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I have a paintbrush in my hand and I'm well, on a
positive note, all the artworkgoes up in value.
Yeah, there's got to be somejokes, and you guys ever joke
about that, like you know when Igo away.
Like none of my websites go upin value.
You know they're just, they'regone, but you know it is wild.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
uh, it sucks that that's the reality of uh, with
fine art, with luxury, I think,but I think it's slowly changing
.
Guys like Damien Hirst, I mean,he's a billionaire as an artist
.
I never would have imagined anartist being able to actually
become a billionaire in theirlifetime and I have no interest
(38:00):
in acquiring that much money.
That's way more than I need.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
But yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I feel like you can get I shouldn't say you, that
was like more of a proverbialyou not you.
I feel like I would get in alot of trouble with a billion
dollars.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I know I'd get in me and Crenn would both get in
trouble with a billion dollars,Because there are things that we
want to say that we don't saybecause we don't got a billion
dollars, but't got a billiondollars.
Yeah right, but you got abillion maybe.
Maybe we say yo, you know what?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
and another thing about pharma, like I would never
say that now right, you know,but a billion's like that's fuck
you money, you know.
A billion's a little different,you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
So, uh, I don't know.
I think you, you have to kindof I don't know.
I think you have to kind ofhave more manners.
Where you don't got a billionin the bank, maybe more people
that have something to sayshould feel as free as a
billionaire does in the way theyspeak.
(39:02):
But we live in an era whereyour family can be canceled or
destroyed or torn apart orburned to the ground for having
a different opinion, whetheryou're right or wrong.
It's like we don't even care ifit's right or wrong.
If it's different than how Ifeel, then you know yeah, it's
pretty wild yes it's.
(39:23):
I've never.
I've never seen it.
I think it's, I think it'scrazy, but it is what it is.
I still treat everybody withlove, I know that's true, yeah,
for sure.
We just watch from thesidelines like damn, that's
crazy.
But you know, a billion, youcan jump in.
Like hey break it up, all right.
All right you shut up.
All right, you sit down.
We just watch right now, weain't breaking up no fights, all
(39:47):
right.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
so I'm so curious.
What was this artist's name?
Again, how the hell did he makea billion from art?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Damien Hirst Well, and so it's kind of there's some
people that are, I think, moreacademic that may not like
Damien Hirst.
He'll do something like he'llget a shark and put the shark in
(40:12):
embalming fluid and put that inthe in the exhibition and it's
this much money or whatever.
Yeah, uh, I mean he didn't paintanything, he didn't really the
shark I mean god made the sharkor whatever you believe made the
shark, evolution or whatever,like how much of it is that like
where?
How does he sign right, where's?
Where's the artist?
Oh, he's in flamado.
(40:34):
Yeah, you know, from out it'slike you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, like you're kind of just transporting
something at that point, likeyeah, I, I love damien hearst.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I think he's, I think he makes some, some beautiful
things.
But also I think there's somethings that's out there that's
kind of like all right, like thebanana that's taped on a wall,
it's like man that my buddy sentme that and he's a pilot for
fedex.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
He's a military pilot before that, flying fighter
jets, I think.
Think his exact words are likefuck me, I quit this is the
article.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I mean it's kind of like, and I, I look I'm an
artist and so this is no shade,this is it's all love, I just me
.
When I look at it I'm like allright yeah all right, you know I
is.
Is it ridiculous?
I mean, I don't know, it feelssilly.
(41:33):
But if a room says, no, I seesomething in this and it moves
me, then okay, I can't arguewith it.
I've seen some work that wasvery, not even archaic, but just
simple in nature and it movedme.
It was like a line that wasjust like a weird squiggly, like
(41:56):
somebody free-handed a line.
They tried to make it straightand the way that it was off was
just beautiful to me and it wasjust a line, so I was moved by
that.
I looked at the price it waslike $180 me, and it was just a
line, so I was moved by that.
I looked at the price it waslike $180,000 for this line and
for me the line was worth itbecause for some reason and I
don't know why, but I was movedby the line.
(42:18):
So, as silly as a banana in thetape sounds, I've been moved by
it sillier.
But also I get suspicious whenI see the banana in the tape.
I'm like, come on, bro.
Or an invisible sculpture thatsells for 50.
It's like the invisible scope.
Come on, bro, Really.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I just saw that article again and, like last
week, it popped up on my feedand I'm like I'm in the wrong
business.
Man, I really missed myopportunity here.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
I mean, you don't want the market to become a
laughingstock, because then theconsumer becomes suspicious.
What An invisible sculpture,right?
So then, maybe this Basquiatthat sold for $150 million maybe
is not really worth $150million.
Is it worth $150 million?
I don't know.
Yeah, and that's kind of theromance and mystery I have with
(43:08):
fine art.
It's that gray space.
Is jewelry worth what it'sworth?
Is any of this worth?
These cameras these are nicecameras.
Are they worth this much, right?
I?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
don't know, maybe it's weird, because the cameras,
for me, I see them and it'slike all right, well, this has,
you know, this sensor in it, youknow, and the lens has this
glass and aperture like there'skind of a fact sheet I can go
down.
I guess art kind of has thattoo, I mean, but it's more
emotional, I feel like you know,and there's this emotional
connection, like your lineconnection, yeah, and but then
(43:44):
there's also a hype part that Iwonder a lot of these artists,
like the duct tape, banana, andone that comes to mind that was
one of my and I know very littleabout art.
I preface all of this.
I should have prefaced the wholepodcast with.
I know very little about art.
We both know very little.
I'm still, art is big, no oneknows much about art, but one
(44:04):
that always pops in my mind andprobably because of the exact
thing I'm about to bring up with, like maybe it's pr companies
pushing it or good marketingbehind it, but banksy is one
that always, like you know, andhad the whole documentary come
out and but I haven't stayedlike up on banksy and I heard
there was some controversy andsome theories about banksy and
was it really like a real person?
And yeah, I don't know.
(44:25):
Do you know much about Banksy?
Catch me up on where the Banksy?
is.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I think he's a talented artist with a talented
brand.
I think he has something to sayand I think he's really good at
saying what it is he wants tosay.
I like him as an artist.
The other gentleman in thatdocumentary.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Exit.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Through the Gift Shop .
Mr Brainwash, he's an artist.
Now he's different.
He's kind of like and this isno shade, mr Brainwash, you cool
.
I got to preface that becauseyou know this weird generation
that we in.
But it's like you know, I ain'teven going to say it.
(45:11):
I ain't even going to say itLike you know, he I felt like
the film was trying to highlight, look, banksy being an
established artist.
If he says that this artist isthe next great artist, y'all
will believe it, even though heis not.
And they kind of showed that inthe doc.
(45:32):
Well, after the doc it wasalmost like oh okay, that's
beautiful, like socialexperiment.
Mr Brainwash just keeps itgoing because there's some
people that it's almost likethey still believe it, even
though it was created to showyou, to put a mirror to how the
market can be manipulated.
(45:53):
There are people that still havefallen in love with the
manipulation.
It's like the woman that knowsher guy's cheating on her but
she just can't get around it.
She thinks like no, I'm hisreal main, no, you're not,
you're on the side, but they'vefallen in love with it and so he
(46:14):
has a whole separate career andhe's doing well and I'm glad
he's doing well.
And again, this is not a this,it's just an observation.
People were selling pet rocksin the 90s.
We know the rock is just a rock, but with enough PR marketing,
(46:35):
maybe the rock, maybe it'scontemplating something deeper
now from the PR marketing.
You know what I mean.
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Is Banksy still doing stuff?
Did it ever come out Like?
Do we know his identityofficially?
Is it still hidden?
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I don't know.
Do you know it's still hidden?
Yeah, I think it's brilliant.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
I think he just figured out the art market on
such a genius level that he'srespected.
He's able to, like you said,put a mirror to the market.
Yeah, respected.
He's able to, like you said,put a mirror to the market,
almost make fun of it, but stillkeep his own peace, but still
speak on social issues.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
And still make money for him and his family and his
legacy Banks is good in my book.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
He could die and we wouldn't even know.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
That's pretty wild.
Here's the crazy thing.
Alright, what if he's deadalready, like eight years ago?
Speaker 2 (47:28):
It's a family trust taking care of it.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Well, so I heard that eight years ago he got poisoned
by the nanny.
The nanny had like 40 paintingsfrom him that he would just
gift type shit, and he waspoisoned.
And it's an Asian dude, it'snot even Banksy, that's a hell
of a theory you just making thisall up.
(47:52):
I'm just making it up.
That would be wild, that wouldbe wild.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
It's all China.
China's running it now longlive Banksy.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
I like Banksy.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
So I know last time we ran into each other at
Massey's Kitchen talking aboutthe trip to New York and what's
kind of next plans going offLike what's this year look like
for 25?
.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, so we're working on a series where
imagine, like Anthony Bourdain,but with a paintbrush you know
what I'm saying.
Okay, I'm interviewingdifferent cool people that I
meet along my travels and I'masking them some very like weird
questions and I'm paintingwhile I'm talking to them,
(48:36):
making a portrait.
But it's not like what theylook like, it's more or less
what they feel like like aninner portrait.
And Lauren Beck she producedManchester by the Sea.
What's the other movie?
The scary one starts with an SSuspiria.
She produced that Supertalented she's behind it.
(48:57):
Kevin Thompson he produced theGenius film with Kanye.
He's with Cootie and Cheeky ofCreative Control TV.
We got an all-star squad and I'mgrateful to have this caliber
of people believe in my visionand I'm super excited for
(49:21):
everyone else to see it.
It's going to be a good time.
So we got that Crimson BuildingCulture and Code Museum out
this year.
There's going to be a lotcoming out on that.
She can talk, speak on thatbetter than I can.
But in between all of that, I'mpainting every day.
That's awesome.
I got you know in my brain.
(49:41):
Even though we got these otherbusinesses set up the restaurant
, ceramics company, the cultureand code, my art business.
I still got to pretend like ifI don't paint, I don't eat.
I got to look in the mirror andbe like there's 8 billion
people out here.
I still got to tap into thatbecause when you get comfortable
(50:04):
.
A couple of years back I hit abig bag and I got real
comfortable and I mean I waspainting maybe once every three
or four months, just beingtransparent.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Because I was moving so much.
Yeah, and you know, money waskind of new to me at that level
and life taught me how to likehey, look, you need to chill,
bro, like you need to.
And I had some good people,some good mentors around me that
was like, hey, bro, you need todo this.
(50:37):
And at halftime, even if you up42-0, you got to look at it
like it's 0-0.
That's something Ted told methat he got from his coach in
alabama.
Like I got a lot of good wisdomfrom people that uh, hit some
success like a hundred timesmore than me, so it's giving me
some game and uh, it, it helpeda lot.
(50:58):
So now we're moving with a,with the right balance and
vision going forward.
But that first, that first kindof like you make more money
than you thought you'd make andyou, you know, you know what I'm
talking about and it come,you're like, oh, okay, yeah, and
you know another feeling Ibought some stupid cars during
that time.
I bought some stupid stuff, butit is what it is.
(51:18):
You go through it and you, youknow, recalibrate, and the real
ones are able to climb back up,you know.
So we, just we, I, I like wherewe are because we're the way.
The intention that we're movingwith now it's just so
calculated and focused and it'sauthentic.
It's us.
We don't gotta, you know,shucking job or we ain't gotta
(51:39):
like be goofy out here.
We can stay who we are and wedon't have to compromise for
some corporation.
We, we got people that believein the brands that we built,
where they'll just give it to usdirectly, like as a partner or
investor.
Yeah, that's, that's been,that's been a blessing, it's
been love, it's like okay, yeah,we, we're doing it right, you
(52:01):
know yeah, I love the.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
You mentioned the, the bar and restaurant as well.
Uh, home bar like the bar.
Yeah, the name, it's a greatname and having your artwork in
there.
I love going there and visitingand the espresso martini list
that's definitely favorite ofhannah and I as well shout out
to lee brock on that.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
I think lee, lee and matt really pushed the espresso
martinis.
Those are my business partnersin the restaurant.
And and shout out to Brian akaB Money.
Yeah, good partners makes therestaurant game pretty fun.
I think if we had to do italone it would be really
stressful.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, I can see that for sure.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Yeah, it would be stressful yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Man, from what I hear , it's pretty stressful either
way, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, yeah.
But when you got some partnersand it's like I, me and cran are
real good with like art designand like creating um an ambiance
, so we just focused on that.
I'm not good with books, Istill gotta get my books right.
You know, I mean like, sothat's more brian.
(53:03):
Yeah, matt is a lawyer.
I mean, you know what I'msaying.
So he handles this area.
And Lee, like, we all handledifferent areas, our own zones
of genius.
So we never, it's never, weird.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
You know, To have to wear all those hats.
I don't think I could do it Forthis tour?
Speaker 2 (53:24):
are you going to be traveling for this and like,
paint these pieces or like?
Speaker 1 (53:27):
yeah, we got a.
We got connected with a studioin New York.
I forgot this guy's name.
I just linked up with him acouple weeks ago.
Lauren introduced me to him.
Great guy, he's done a lot ofstuff for TV and film.
I think it starts with a.
(53:47):
I think his name is Bob, but Idon't know.
Bob doesn't sound right.
Yeah, his name is Bob.
Okay, Bob, in New York we'regoing to use his space.
It has like a garden on theroof and it's like two or three
stories and when I saw it it'simmaculate.
(54:08):
It's beautiful.
They got cameras hiddeneverywhere so we can keep it
natural.
It won't feel like a camera'sin your face.
But then there's some artistsand people that we've met, like
Larry Jenkins.
He's a talented horn player.
He's in Nashville so it'd beeasy to just pull up in
Nashville, find a beautifulspace.
(54:29):
His music he just won a shoutout to him.
He just won his second Grammy.
Like to find an atmosphere thathe feels most comfortable in or
something that compliments orrepresents the kind of music
that he plays.
Like we're kind of playing withdifferent models, but we wanted
(54:53):
to secure a secure spot in newyork because a lot of the talent
goes in and out of new york.
But some of these guys is offthe beaten path.
Some are in like cabins, likenah, he's in wyoming, he don't
really leave much we'll have togo to him, I'm looking forward
to it.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Awesome man, I'm looking forward to seeing the
work.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
I have to have you on that, man.
Maybe next time you're in arace I'll bring a painting and a
passenger seat and I try topaint it when you're hitting
these crazy turns.
The passenger has to call outthe turns.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I guess I'm mainly racing motorcycles now, so you
don't have a hell of a time onthe back of a motorcycle.
I wouldn't be able to do soyou're not doing cars anymore no
, I found that I just couldn'treally one afford them because I
was racing off-road stuff outwest and trying for a little bit
.
Um, kind of got into that mybuddy robert.
He's going to come on here andtalk about it.
(55:45):
He races that trophy truck.
He's got Chattanooga Whiskey onit Nice but you've got to haul
everything out there.
He's done well enoughfinancially.
He's got a whole team in Texasthat just is always taking care
of the rig full time and theyhaul it out there.
But I was taking care of the rigmyself hauling up my trailer
across the country to vegas iswhere most of the races.
It's like man, I can't do.
(56:06):
There's nowhere to test itaround here.
So motorcycles are cheaper andI'm better at two wheels I am
four wheels anyways, so, um, andI can race them right here, you
know, close to home, and a bikewould be more dangerous though.
Right, oh yeah.
So usually like you go to, wecall it cages.
You know you gotta go to racein a cage, so you have like a
roll cage around you as you getolder and I'm already way past
(56:26):
that old part now, as I'mhitting 40.
So I should be in a cage, butI'm going to squeeze some more
life out of these old bones fora good.
Back to a cage.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Would you ever this is a weird question Would you
ever sell one of your bones?
Like, take out your leg bone,they put like some metal in
there and maybe we create an artpiece out of one of your bones.
Whichever one you depend on themost when you're racing?
Speaker 2 (56:55):
So I'd probably be more inclined to sell a kidney
but a bone, I don't know.
I'm pretty scared of likeneedles and going under the
knife and all that too.
So that'd probably be a toughone, but I'm not going to say no
, because that could be kind ofa cool piece of art too.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
For $100 million Sold Nice, when we're doing surgery.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
I got a butter knife out there in the conference room
.
You want to do it right here.
Right here, man, I've enjoyedtalking man likewise anytime,
yeah, anytime, yeah.
I was telling uh, actually Ithink I was telling zach, and
just actually he's on teammeeting, uh, on monday and
talking about yesterday, thatwas yesterday.
(57:39):
We have our one of our teammeetings on monday and zoom call
and I was like, yeah, I gotbuddy, my gents is coming in and
I was kind of describing whoyou were and looking up on
social media and I was like he'sjust very kind of poetic and
everything he says and does.
And I was like actually,whenever we're sitting at mass,
he's like he just always kind ofdrops these like little nuggets
of poetry on me and youprobably don't remember this,
but it stood out to me becausevery few people talk like this
(58:01):
and I was like yeah.
I've been writing, like doingdaily journaling, gratitude and
that sort of thing, and I wassitting about, sitting in front
of that window, you know, and inmy house, looking out over the
cliff, and you know, like the,the window to a poet is like the
oven to a chef, or it wassomething like that, and I was
like it just came out so quickly.
I'm like when I got to think of, you know, uh, analogies or
parables like that, like I'd bethere for years trying to think
of one, you know analogies orparables like that, like I'd be
(58:23):
there for years trying to thinkof one, you know, but it just
like kind of flowed out of youand I was like that's very deep.
I never thought about that, butriding in front of a window
does, like it brings it out.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Yeah, but I'm surrounded by a lot of talented
people, so there's a lot of gemsthat get thrown around.
If you're in a treasure room,you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
You're going to have some jewelry.
You know what I mean?
Like I'm surrounded.
It's less of me and I thinkmore of like spirit and friends.
That just I mean.
Yeah, it's hard not to drop agem when everybody around you is
dropping gems, right?
Speaker 2 (59:02):
Well, genesis, thanks for joining us today.
Man, absolutely Appreciate it.
It was a blast.
Stay tuned around.
You is dropping gems Right.
Well, genesis, thanks forjoining us today.
Man, absolutely Appreciate it.
It was a blast.
Stay tuned for next podcast.
We got some more guests comingup next week Either my buddy
that races trophy trucks or, whoknows, maybe some other person.
We'll go between art,motorsports and one other person
that thinks they want to comedrop some Nuggets information.
But you got to compete againstgenesis on the great nuggets.
(59:24):
But thanks for joining us.
Uh, be sure to check outgenesis social media.
It's genesis the great kidright on instagram.
Everything um website genesisthe great kid yeah, that'll get
them now.
Yeah, yeah, check out all hisartwork.
I've got three pieces here inthe office.
It's awesome artwork, so besure to look them up.
Give them a like, follow, shoutout, cheers, cheers.
imagine like Anthony Bourdain, but with a paintbrush.
I was writing over at AtlanticRecords and we was working on a
Kid Cudi studio and I rememberthey were like yeah, we need to
put some gunshots in this.
I'm like what are you talkingabout, bro?
We live in an era where yourfamily can be canceled or
(00:21):
destroyed or torn apart orburned to the ground for having
a different opinion.
This is a weird question.
Would you ever sell one of yourbones?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, welcome back to another podcast here at Spectra
Speakeasy.
Today we've got Genesis thegray kid with us.
We're going to be just kind ofcatching up chatting, learning
more about him.
I've got a few of his pieces ofart here in the office.
I got the first one back,probably I guess that was the
old office.
What 2018?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, 17, 18, maybe 17.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, I've been collecting them since then, but
that one's still one of myfavorites.
And, Zach, we can include thisin there like show maybe a
screenshot of it or something.
But how you kind of got thathidden message in there.
Yeah, yeah, it's a good time.
It's like a perfect fit forlike what we do here and staying
creative and not all the workwe do.
We gotta be creative, Right,and really every part of life.
(01:19):
But since then collected somemore of the pieces and really
goes back to we're trying toremember before this, but I
think it was like 2013 or 14.
And the first time was probablyat Tremont Street, our original
office, and it had just becomeSylvie Huffaker Creative.
That was the office I slept infor a while when it was Sylvie
Development and I was trying tobuild websites and make some
money.
Oh, you were sleeping there too.
(01:39):
It was just me at first.
And then Hugh Huffick and I wekind of got um, uh, connected
through rock climbing and thenwe became business partners for
a little bit.
Um, but then somehow I thinkHugh cross paths with you first,
right, Like maybe a hip hopthing or poetry thing.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I don't know, it might've been at the same time,
but I know.
Uh, there was music involved.
Whatever it was, it was aroundmusic, because I think he was
playing, you were playing, I waswriting music.
It was a music thing for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And we had that.
I've got to go back and find Iwas thinking about it this
morning, kind of just goingthrough my head of all the
different interactions I hadover the years, and we just got
a boom, kind of a jib and boomcombo.
And we had that new fs 700camera and we're starting to
film commercials and like.
And you stopped by the officeand I think it's like midday,
middle work, and hugh had aguitar there and he started
(02:33):
playing and you started doingsome hip hop stuff, just like
freestyle, and then I wasfilming and I gotta go back and
find that it was such a goodtime man, that was a really good
time, was it?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Every time I think back during that time.
I don't remember what washappening in the city, like I
don't Like who was president, Ishould know that but you know
what I mean.
Like I just don't remember, Idon't know Like 2007,.
I don't remember what washappening for real, right yeah,
and I don't know Like 2007,.
(03:06):
I don't remember what washappening for real, right yeah,
and I don't know.
So 2012 is kind of like that.
I remember that, but thein-between I don't even know
what I was wearing.
I think I was wearing fedorasor something, but it's kind of a
blur a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It is.
I know what you mean.
I think I kind of remembereither by racing because 2007
you're like what was I doing?
Were you racing back then?
Yeah, it doesn't say I wasracing bicycles then.
I just dropped out of collegeactually, and was going to race
by you too, congratulations.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, no, okay, well, she asked her nice.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh yeah, uh then 2012,.
I remember that because that'swhen I moved into the office and
was living on the futon.
But I remember when we werefirst starting to hang out like
you were doing a lot of hip-hopstuff, writing music, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
It just started to get a little weird.
I was writing over at AtlanticRecords and we was working at a
Kid Cudi studio and I'm notgoing to say this guy's name
because he's a good guy, it wasjust the way the business went
down.
It wasn't for me, I just feltlike it was with music at that
(04:19):
time, working with a labelthere's a lot of chefs in the
kitchen I don't own, I'm not agun guy.
I don't have nothing againstguns, but I'm not a gun guy and
I was writing a song and Iremember they were like yeah, we
need to put some gunshots inthis.
You know we need to.
I'm like what are you talkingabout, bro?
(04:40):
And so it's like it doesn't.
Even if it isn't you, theydon't care.
It's like they're working on aalgorithm type type uh, they're
trying to just put thingstogether that they've seen work
before and and play a numbersgame like bean counting, and I
was that.
That just wasn't me.
(05:01):
So I had to, I had to step awayand and I didn't know if I made
the right choice in thebeginning because I was like man
, maybe I should have just didwhat I didn't want to do.
Get all the people like buildup the social and then maybe
seven years down the road, dowhat I want to do, because after
I left I was broke, I wasn'tmaking any money.
(05:21):
So those kind of thoughts comein your mind from time to time
when you step away from stufflike that.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I don't blame you, It'd be scary.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
It was scary.
I'm glad I did it, but at thattime it was terrifying.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's interesting how music is supposed to be so
creative.
And it is creative, it'ssupposed to all be creative, but
then there's become this, likeyou kind of mentioned, like an
algorithm, for I really seen itin country music just the last
decade especially.
It's crazy and they just hadthis whole like probably teams
of people in buildings studyinglike what it is people want to
hear and how to build the rightformula for lyrics and all that
(05:58):
and and that's been a thousandsimilar sounding things until
one hits and that one I pay forall the other.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, uh, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's crazy to me so a question for you.
I'll put you on the spot alittle bit.
Is there artists you like thesedays that you still feel like
isn't necessarily doing like thealgorithm formula approach?
But it's tom york, okay?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
yeah, radiohead, yeah , uh, I mean he's Tom York.
Okay, yeah, radiohead, yeah, Imean he stepped out of that
years ago, probably over adecade ago.
He stepped out of that wholebox and he's been making a lot
of beautiful atmospheric musicthat I feel like is coming out
of him, him, you know.
(06:48):
Yeah, when he first came I sawsome of that, but I think he was
also having to try to make achart-topping song where now he
just he doesn't care, he'smaking what he wants and he's
built up enough of a cultfollowing.
What a they getting it.
Either way, I bought one hisalbums like eight times, like I
already had it.
I was just handing it outbecause it was beautiful, it was
unique and I felt like he hadsomething to say and he was
(07:11):
saying it.
I liked it a lot.
I listen to him when I paintHim.
Miles Davis.
There's a lot of guys I thinkthat charted their path.
But you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's a.
I've got some albums even onvinyl as well, like that's one
blanket on is embarrassing, butit's one rainbow oh yeah, I know
the one you thought about inrainbows, it's got the colorful.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, I don't on the front.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, watch, have you seen?
Like the YouTube or like there?
Yeah, I, I don't know if Ishould know.
This Got Miss when they'replaying live, live in the studio
.
Yes, that is amazing.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's what I'm saying it's pure, it's like a
fresh squeezed orange juice orsomething I'm trying to think of
the right word for it, but it'shealing.
I like listening to their music, Even when he's talking about
dark stuff, like there's a songcalled I forgot the title but it
(08:16):
starts out with him looking ata lake and like running and
jumping off the cliff into thelake, Like, and it's just quiet
and he's one with this lake.
I don't know if he's talkingabout suicide or I don't know if
he's talking about just endingit all, but it's so beautiful
and it's so honest.
(08:37):
Even though I don't contemplatethose thoughts, Listening to
someone else who has it makes mebecome more acute to empathy
and compassion about things Iwould have never even pondered
on, because my mind doesn't goto that place but apparently his
does from time to time.
And it's a dark song, but I'mlistening to it on a sunny day.
(09:01):
You know what I mean.
It's beautiful.
He has that you can lead peopleto places when you're being
honest, you know yeah, yeah,there's something to it.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You see that a lot of musicians, like at least the
real ones, like I saw, there's ayou may have heard of this guy
named paul cawthon.
He's a country like kind ofsouthern country rock.
He did one song that, um,that's my blank on it.
Uh, southern Country Rock.
He did one song that.
I just went blank on it.
(09:30):
If I name the song, man, I'mreally going blank today.
I guess I got so much caffeine.
I did the same thing earlier.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I was listening to this song two days ago.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I couldn't think of the name, but he's been on.
Now he's been getting moremainstream country stuff.
But he just posted, or someoneposted for him on social media
last week.
It's funny Hannah and I weretalking about it like how these
musicians what is so common?
Johnny Cash, and the list justkeeps going.
They struggle with addictionand all kinds of suicide.
But someone posted for him likehey, paul's canceled all of his
(09:59):
concerts for the rest of theyear.
I think he just recorded onewith Morgan Wallen.
He's for the rest of the year.
I think he just recorded onewith Morgan Wallen and he's been
on a bunch of big albums andjust off the deep end completely
and it's like they're kind ofalways walking that line of
depression and suicide and allthat kind of.
But you kind of have to be intouch with your creative side a
little bit.
It's got to be demanding, toalways have to put yourself out
(10:21):
there and have to be creativeand then everyone's judging you
for what you're putting out.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But it's raw and you'd be really vulnerable.
That's why, if you're going todo it, you might as well be
creating what you like.
Can you imagine you're in thatcycle but you're also making
music you don't even like.
You don't even like listeningto your own stuff.
They come on the radio andyou're like yo, turn it off,
turn it off.
I got some homies in theindustry that they're like
they're not listening to whatthey're making.
(10:49):
It feels like they're working ajob that they hate.
You know, they tell you what towear this particular gentleman.
They're telling him what towear.
He doesn't even like wearingthe clothes that he's wearing.
He can't have his lady around.
He's married, he's a faithfulbrother.
He can't have her around.
You know it's weird stuff.
(11:12):
I know how old he is, and theydid this to me too.
I know how old he is, so hewalks in and I'm going to just
make up an age.
Let's say he's 35.
He's like I'm 35.
And they were like no, you're24.
He's like no, I'm 35.
Like no, you're 24.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Just because then you'll resonate more with the
audience.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, we want people to gravitate more towards you
know.
Oh, he got it so fast and he'sso young, what?
And his voice is this mature?
They a phenomenon, kind ofthing.
So yeah, and which made methink I wonder how many other
people are like you know, Idon't know.
(11:56):
It's just weird, man, thatindustry has just got so weird
to me and I was always drawingand sketching while I was in the
studio.
That is just that felt liketherapy while I was in the music
studio.
So when I left music to do artfull time, it was a, it was a
relief, it was.
(12:17):
It was like I enjoyed what Iwas doing.
There's not a bunch of, likechefs in the kitchen.
I made, made this, do you wantit?
I don't have to get a billionpeople to listen to this art
that I'm making.
If you lean in close enough tothe painting, you'll still hear
the music.
Music is always in me, but inthis fine art capacity, it's a
(12:43):
connection between me andanother person.
I enjoy it a lot.
The other thing it just wasn'tfor me, and I got friends that
are doing it at a high level andthey're crushing it.
Marco McKenzie, he's doing histhing.
Mike Stallone, aka Mike MurderMurder he's a beast.
(13:05):
Asap Monrovia you know Monrovia, really talented artist from
Liberia, monrovia, and he gotadopted by a family in Tennessee
but I seen him getting carriedinto a helicopter like having to
(13:26):
flee, like because it wasgetting that crazy where he was
in Africa.
Oh, wow and EC's managing himand they just like took off
Goldford.
He's killing it.
There's a lot of guys that'sstaying true to it and creating
some beautiful music, but I justdidn't know how to walk that
(13:47):
line.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
So whenever you got into the art, I mean that
transition, I remember that was,and my timeline made me off,
but it was kind of like, wasn'tit with like Lamp Post was kind
of starting to get kicked off.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, they gave me a residency.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I kind of I was cool with a few of them over there,
which was a huge help.
You remember Drew Bells.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I remember that name.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So Drew and Zay ran Fancy Rhino oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
they introduced me to Ted.
Ted Allen was the big dog overat Lampost, so me and Ted linked
up.
We just vibed prettyimmediately and I was always
around, fancy, just helpingother creatives go through,
(14:34):
navigate different things intheir head.
I like, I love people, I lovepushing on people, activating
them just creatively.
And so we would do all thesewild workshops.
I'd cut off all the lights,we'd take like 10 shots of
whiskey and lay on the floor andthen be like, all right, if
(14:54):
your personality was an entreeat Olive Garden, you know what?
We would just come up with wildexperiments just to see what
comes out of it.
And after a while I was likeI'm really going to pour
everything I have into doingthis fine art full time.
It's like 2015.
(15:16):
And I was talking with Ted andhe was like yo, we got a closet
in the back.
It was huge.
It wasn't a closet, it was like2,500 square foot space.
Yeah, it was huge, but theywere working closet.
It was like 2,500 square footspace.
Yeah, it was huge, but theywere working out in that thing.
It was called Fast Eddie's and,yeah, I hired some homies, we
cleaned it out and that was my.
The residency was at a VC andthat was huge because a lot of
(15:40):
the people that was in that taxbracket to collect fine art.
I was crossing them all thetime in the elevator.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
That's where I met Joe, where the warehouse is now.
He was living on the fifthfloor.
I was on the second floor andwe kept seeing each other in the
elevator.
I'm covered in paint.
He got a suit on by like thefifth or sixth time.
He was like yeah, I'm going tograb some water from you.
And it was up.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's awesome.
Yeah, that's kind of like a Idon't know, a little bit of a
meant to be sort of thing, youknow.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, I didn't realize how important it's some
wild stuff that you learn justalong the way, like nobody
taught me it but just living it.
I was like, ah, okay, that'slike even like who you're
surrounded by, like if I'mhanging around, like I would
hang around a lot of artists andwe had a lot of fun, but we
(16:39):
were all really broke becausewe're all hanging around Like we
can't afford to buy eachother's stuff right but then,
like I start hanging around this, this, this other group, and
this group is a bunch of liketech founders and they're able
to buy a bunch of art.
And so now I'm telling my artistfriends, like yo, you should
come with me to, we're going tosoho House.
(17:01):
You know, blah, blah this isback in the day and I don't know
.
The return on that intersectionis huge when you put yourself,
especially as a creative, inthose spaces.
That's why me and my wife wetravel so much because you find
(17:21):
these rooms and you know if youcan go in being yourself, being
you know you got something tosay and you put it on the table.
It's like it's a gravity.
People get pulled to you, ideaskind of merge together.
It's beautiful.
And I didn't really pick it upuntil I think I got more serious
(17:46):
about the business behind theart.
It was usually just like we'reall creators, we're all artists.
This is fun.
But then when it's like, allright, I want to buy a house one
day, okay, I want to have afamily, I want to then you're
like all right, I can't be latejust because I'm an artist.
I got to show up on time, right.
Right, I was late today, butyou know, okay, you forget it.
(18:09):
But yeah, it's just I don't know.
It was a lot of business stuffthat started to.
Anyway, I'm rambling no it'sperfect.
It was a blessing man being inthat group seeing how businesses
grow, scale the people I wasmeeting none of them were
artists.
I would have never met them anyother way.
And now they're telling me like, oh, bro, you should come out
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to Glacier Park.
Bro, we got this cat so Iwouldn't have went to Montana,
whitefish and Glacier Park to.
But now then I went out thereand I'm like yo, this is a vibe,
bro.
It's like an eagle grabbing abird like another bird and the
bird had a fish and then a bearate the three of them or
(18:50):
something you know.
It's crazy.
You wouldn't have saw that ifyou would have stayed, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
That's not in Chattanooga.
We got the eagle, we got thebear.
I guess we got black bear.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Man, I used to just be a Waffle House kind of guy.
Right right, like all the time.
Yeah, you know, now I go getthe bag and then you can go back
to Waffle House, but I got togo get it first, right, and then
you know what I mean I was, Ihad it backwards, but anyway,
yeah, good times.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
It's.
You know you bring up you andyour wife always traveling a lot
.
Whenever um hannah ran into youand hadn't seen you in a while,
I mean I've seen you around,but I really talked and it was
at massey's kitchen a coupleweeks ago.
Yeah, and you're talking aboutgoing, and you're going to new
york, and for you know, send anamount of time to do some work
up there.
And I was like, was your wifegoing with you?
And you're like, and it wasjust, it was so like matter of
fact, and I'll say, like all thepeople I've come across, like
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I've never heard a response likethis to it, and it was so
beautiful.
It instantly said, well, yeah,she's my best friend, of course
she's going with me, yeah.
And it was just like so absolute, and Hannah and I talked about
it later.
You know it was like it wasreally awesome.
You know like it was heartfelt,it was sincere, and I think you
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care of themselves and kind offorget, like loving people and
relationships and all this stuffthat matters, you know, and
anyway that was props to youguys, because that's pretty
awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Much love shout out to karen.
She's building a museum man,she's, she's crushing it, she.
The things that she's buildingare going to outlive us.
I mean, my art is, but hers islike on an institutional level
so it can invite like a bunch ofother generations to it.
Art is kind of quiet, likesomebody will buy a painting and
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it's for them and their familyand it can be an heirloom, but
it's like you're not wearing itso no one knows you really have
it.
It's like only for the peoplein their space.
But with a museum, can I saythe name of the museum Culture
and Code Museum?
It's like it's in public.
(20:59):
You can come look at this work,come look at this work, come
look at this.
You know you can be.
Uh, there's a, there's a magicthat happens between the heart
and another person when they,when they see something that
moves them.
So I I get excited about whatshe's building because it's
inviting the public, whereasmine is more like just private,
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you know yeah, yeah, there'ssomething to that.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I hadn't really thought about that.
But when you're buying a piecefor yourself, like it kind of
winds up.
I guess your guests see it andthat sort of thing.
But it is kind of more personalversus, like you know, public
art and somewhere it can beshared.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Do you feel that way about?
Like you have your agency workbut then you have your sports,
half your sports.
Because you're an athlete, tryto be with like want to be,
sometimes does what you do whenyou're racing does that?
Feel like this is, this is me,this is like this is for me, or
is it like I don't know, likehow?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
yeah, yeah, it's a good question.
Um, without a doubt, likeracing, it's kind of the most
calm I'll ever be, because Itend to be like real hyperactive
and I'm always fighting likeadhd.
And so it is kind of for mebecause when I get out there and
race like one, it's pretty fast, it's scary, you know like I'm
scared, shitless, smashing treesand rocks, you know those
things are.
They don't move like and youhit them you've.
You know you usually breaksomething and you're calm when
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you're doing it.
Yeah, because there's nothingelse you can focus on.
You know, it's like all yourbrain can focus on is like right
then and there, so you'rereally living in the moment and
all you're thinking about islike controlling your breathing
and where your vision's looking,and so there's like a whole
kind of peace, tranquility sideof it and it's totally just for
me.
Yeah, um, the parts of like Ikind of feel it's in some ways
kind of you talking about likethe art side of music and how in
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some ways it kind of getsperverted a little bit with all
like the business side coming inand like wrecking the beautiful
art side of it sometimes inover.
I try to like document theracing side, basically for
benefits of my business, becausemost people don't want to hear
about marketing advertising, youknow.
So we try to do things likepodcast and add racing to it and
a lot of it, and even sometimesracing in general like, hey, I
just need to go out in the woodsand ride by myself, but, um,
(23:09):
and not document it, no oneknows about it, but but then we
got to make money.
Then when you know, and I needto try to, you know, keep money
coming in and make spectra abusiness, and so it kind of adds
like that thing to look at,keep us top of mind and, um, it
does sometimes make me feel likea douchebag.
People like, oh, you think yourace, so I'm like, dude, I'm
turning 40 next month.
You know like I'm not a red bullathlete, middle-aged man trying
(23:32):
to go fast still and be awannabe, um, but I still enjoy
it.
I love it, you know.
And the competitive side doespush me more than um.
If I just went for rides, whichI enjoy doing with my buddies,
but you can never really pushyourself as hard as you will in
a race for some reason, likeunlocks, a whole nother level of
, yeah, primitive things, youknow, like hunter-gatherers
going out for the kill and theirlife depends on it.
(23:54):
It's something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's tied to it one of my, one of my, uh, really
close friends.
He was at interesting, youbrought that up.
He was saying like he was likegee, you need to find someone to
compete with.
And I'm like what do you mean?
Because I'm just painting andit's like the eye of the
beholder or whatever.
But he's like no, for real youneed, because you don't know how
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far you can go until you findsomebody.
And I'm like, well, bro, art isa little bit like jazz, like
we're competing with a lot ofghosts.
Mostly I mean, yeah, that'sinteresting.
Coltrane dropped a new albumlike three years ago.
You know what I'm saying, likethere's and Miles could easily
(24:41):
there could be some rendition ofsomething that he's like.
Number one against so.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And similar with poetry.
A lot of the greats are stillselling really well.
But he was like I don't care,bro.
Like find whoever's at the topof their game right now, put
their picture on the wall andwhoever these ghosts are.
Like I brought up Picasso.
He's like I will put hispicture up beside it.
(25:06):
Like get some bones from ahospital.
Like make a war room.
Look at these guys, pretendlike they're talking shit.
Just, you know what I meanBecause he's an athlete.
He used to play pro balloverseas.
So he's like, bro, you tap intothat, you'll push yourself a
(25:30):
little further.
This was really.
He told me this like fivemonths ago.
Like has it?
I mean, I'm still trying to.
I'm not that I don't know, I am, but I'm not.
So I'm trying to figure out howto do it as an artist.
Yeah, but still like competingwith myself, mostly you.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
You know it you know, my first thought is it kind of
feels like that gray line oflike the perverted part of you
know art being run by you knowbig corporate.
You know you're talking aboutlike red bull supercross
athletes, like I feel like theyprobably maybe lose a little bit
(26:07):
of the beautiful side of ridingmotorcycles and being in nature
, you know, but it does make youbetter, yeah, and it's like
where's this fine line of likeyou don't want to lose, like
your heart and soul in it, butyeah it does make you better.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I mean, would we have michael jordan if he didn't
have to like, do all of like youknow, with the Pistons fouling
him and all of these teamscoming at him?
Maybe we needed the Utah Jazz,maybe we needed.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, the Knicks Shout out toJohn Starks.
By the way, hydrate, he rose.
(26:40):
Michael Tanner all those guyshave done some great things.
It's an energy drink.
They're crushing it.
Oh, cool.
But yeah, some great things.
It's an energy drink.
They're crushing it.
But yeah, I don't know.
I think we need competition.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
If Jordan had been hooping down the street and just
killing it in the neighborhoodthen that's cool.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I'm sure there was a Jordan down the street.
We just don't know his name.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like that line between andyou're not competitive.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
You know, I want to come back to this theory, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Is it competing against someone or pressuring
yourself to be your best?
Because can you do?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
one without, I think the argument is.
I think what we're saying iscan you really know what your
best is if you don't have likeyou're running fast and you're
running your fastest, but iflike a crazy ass dog that he
just ate three babies in frontof you, he's nuts and he's like
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running at you, you might run alittle faster with that dog
behind you.
That's pressure, though that'snot you.
That's pressure, though that'snot competition.
Competition is pressure, thoughright.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I do hear what you're saying, though, because I do
try to compete with my like.
At a race, for instance, I'mnot one of those that's just
trash-talking everyone around me, you know, like you suck or
something I know some peoplelike that fuels them, but for me
it's like I cheer everyone elseon, you know, and it's
competing against myself, butthem behind me or in front of me
does make me try a littleharder too, you know.
(28:15):
So I think there is a healthyamount of like making it about
making yourself better.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, too much of the other thing can be poisonous,
because then your ego can dosome weird stuff.
But I guess not enough of it.
And if you're always in theback and you're like, well, I'm
just happy to ride it's like youknow what I mean, kind of
complacency, man yeah, then youis that disrespectful for the
gift of life that you were given.
(28:40):
Like, oh well, you know I'mswinging for the fence.
Yeah, you know, but I don'tthink Tom York maybe is seeing
it as like I have to soundbetter than that guy, than the
talking heads.
Yeah, I feel like he was justin his own pocket, absolutely, I
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mean, I guess I'm not sayingone or the other for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, I think it's a balance, like you, said, I feel
like I have like moments whereboth are true or times where
one's true and others not true,like there'll be times where I'm
like I don't want to race orhell.
To be honest with spectraceleste, since covid, like
everything you know, we almostwent under like it was lost.
So many clients, peoplecouldn't be open and I had to
shut a lot of things down.
Like I got a motorcycle rightbefore that.
It was perfect timing because Ididn't really want to do like
(29:31):
corporate feeling, businessthings and all the meetings and
have to be responsible and growthe business and I kind of
cruised up until the last twoyears.
So I spent three years basicallycruising, riding dirt bikes and
just enjoying life.
And then I kind of startedgetting that feel like all right
, I do want to make more money,I do want to have a little more
financial stability.
I also want to grow a businessand maybe leave a legacy I
(29:52):
whatever that means, you knowand so it kind of got me
motivated again and now, likedirt bikes and that stuff's kind
of taken a little bit of abackseat.
I'm still doing it, obviously,but I I think there's like ebbs
and flows of everything andmaybe that's one of them.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Now are scientists not doing this?
You would think scientistswould be like all right, we need
to beat cancer.
Like you know what I mean,right, you know what I mean.
Like the stuff that you shouldbe compared Like.
There's a lot of illnesses thatare like beasts out here Now.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
you might get me in conspiracy theories here, so you
got to be careful.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
No, we can.
You know we can go there.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I'm curious, like is it in their best interest to
really beat it though, you know,because it's such a big
business to treat it like withdrugs as opposed to fixing the
problem?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
You know I have a hard time.
You got a good point.
It wouldn't be in thecorporation's maybe best
interest, but the scientist hasa mother and a father or a
nephew or a niece or uncle,somebody that's been touched by
this monk, you know, like cancerdrove up and shot the crib up
(31:00):
and it's like, oh, mygrandmother just got hit, oh,
she got cancer.
Like you would think thescientists would be, like, you
know, not on my watch, and likeget in a car and just race down
to a lab and cook up the cure, Iguess.
Right, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
You're asking, like more proactive than reactive,
like what actually brought thecancer to the house?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
No, I think what you're saying is why cure if
they're making so much money onit being like still running amok
?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Really both.
I agree with what you're saying, because there's a lot of
studies that are now coming outwhere sugar is linked to causing
cancer and glaucoma and heartdisease, of course, and diabetes
.
Sugar's in like everything.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Everything.
Man Sugar's in like everything.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Everything, man.
It's in everything, but there'sactually.
I think it was.
Forbes released this back in2016, an article about in the
50s.
Now I'm paraphrasing all this,so my accuracy on data is going
to be out of order.
I've been paraphrasing, but theshort of it was that the FDA was
bought off for like a smallnominal amount it was like fifty
(32:09):
thousand dollars back in theday.
To basically say that thatheart disease and high
cholesterol came from anythingbut sugar was what the article
came out and they're bought offto.
To say that that's where itcame from.
It turns out with some sugarand that these sugar lobbyists
paid them off.
And that's what all thesedoctors were taught for the last
50, 70 years is that you needto stay away from cholesterol.
(32:31):
You need to stay away from salt, and salt balances your water.
It's part of electrolytes andthey're like high-salt diet is
hard on your heart.
It's like you can kind of eatpretty much as much salt as you
want.
They're finding now Crazy, butsugar is what you know all the
stuff is.
The rest of it is from sugar,but if you look at it,
everything has sugar.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I know, I feel like we had sugar before we came here
.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, I just finished an energy drink.
There's sugar all in there.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
You saved me with this, because there's no sugar
in this.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I don't know.
It says vanilla.
There may be sugar in that too.
Oh you know what?
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, I had some friends thatjust did dry January, but then
that wasn't hard enough for them, which I've done that last few
years.
This year I didn't want to be aquitter, so I just kept drinking
all this, oh man, yeah.
But they did dry January andthen they did keto, a strict
(33:21):
keto diet.
This is meat, yeah, all right,yeah.
So they didn't have this ismeat, yeah, all right, yeah.
So they didn't do any sugar atall and they were drinking
electrolytes from it's like LMNTor something like that
electrolytes, and they're reallyexpensive.
You buy a pack of them that'sless than a month's supply and
it's like $60.
It's basically just salt,magnesium, potassium, and it
says no sugar.
Well, apparently they starteddoing research because they kept
(33:43):
getting brought out of keto andwhen you're in that like gray
area of going full ketosis, yourbody's really miserable.
It's upset and then, once yougo full ketosis for long enough
time, you start burning your ownfat and you're okay.
But they kept getting broughtout of, they could feel, and
they felt miserable.
Turns out there's a lawsuitagainst lmnt that there's sugar
in it.
They didn't claim it.
They hit it because under onepercent of ingredients you don't
(34:05):
have to list it, and so theyhid it in the Ah and it's like
everything that being sold inAmerica feels like it has sugar
in it somewhere.
It's pretty hard to not consumesugar now.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
That's crazy, isn't it Disappointing?
Yeah, sugar and plastic I guessit's in everything man.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, I was listening to another podcast recently and
they were talking about how inEurope they only have 600
allowed ingredients in theirfood chain.
That's allowed by their versionof FDA, and here we have over
10,000 that are approved.
Why?
How did we come up with 9,400more ingredients than them that
are allowed in our food chain?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
thousand four hundred more ingredients than them that
are allowed in our food chain.
You know it's, I guess, isamerica just a big america is
essentially just a big businessdisguised as a country, almost
it seems like.
Seems like it with pharma atthe top of it.
Yeah, and we're just open to ifyou, if you got the money, we
can do business type.
Yeah, and it's very, I don'tknow, it's strange.
(35:08):
It is strange to be here.
I love it.
I can't imagine living like Ilive now anywhere else in the
world.
I really like living in thiscountry, but uh, it is kind of
weird.
When you look at all this othercrazy stuff, I mean it's oh
yeah, chris Rock, he has thisbeautiful thing the way he sums
(35:33):
up America.
He says America is like theuncle that molested you but then
paid your way through college.
When you start looking intosome of the darkness the
darkness that's, I mean it's inevery country, but you know,
(35:53):
it's kind of tough to findsomewhere else to go.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I mean, I love america too yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Crain wants to.
She's like yo, let's live initaly.
I'm like bro, they're notbuying art in italy.
I like italy's cool shout outto Italy.
I like Italy, but you know I'mstill in go-get-it kind of mode,
you know.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Right, they've got.
I mean, every other countryseems to have so many more
either taxes or laws and youknow, preventing all kinds of
things.
You know, like they've got thiswhole thing in the of, it's
like the freedom of speech,stuff that's going on.
That's crazy.
It's kind of scary.
People get put in jail formemes and posting online.
You can get thrown in jail fora meme.
That's what a lot of people aresaying.
(36:34):
You go online, you can readthings both ways, right, but it
seems like we still live in thefreest country.
But it's kind of hard to feelthat way sometimes here.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, Freedom is our biggest downfall too, what yeah,
what you mean?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
ah, we be wilding out .
That's true too yeah that'strue too.
Hey look America's cool.
Look just again.
I don't want to get grabbed outthe house and thrown into a
truck at night.
And this is they found his bodyin a river.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I have a paintbrush in my hand and I'm well, on a
positive note, all the artworkgoes up in value.
Yeah, there's got to be somejokes, and you guys ever joke
about that, like you know when Igo away.
Like none of my websites go upin value.
You know they're just, they'regone, but you know it is wild.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
uh, it sucks that that's the reality of uh, with
fine art, with luxury, I think,but I think it's slowly changing
.
Guys like Damien Hirst, I mean,he's a billionaire as an artist
.
I never would have imagined anartist being able to actually
become a billionaire in theirlifetime and I have no interest
(38:00):
in acquiring that much money.
That's way more than I need.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
But yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I feel like you can get I shouldn't say you, that
was like more of a proverbialyou not you.
I feel like I would get in alot of trouble with a billion
dollars.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I know I'd get in me and Crenn would both get in
trouble with a billion dollars,Because there are things that we
want to say that we don't saybecause we don't got a billion
dollars, but't got a billiondollars.
Yeah right, but you got abillion maybe.
Maybe we say yo, you know what?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
and another thing about pharma, like I would never
say that now right, you know,but a billion's like that's fuck
you money, you know.
A billion's a little different,you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
So, uh, I don't know.
I think you, you have to kindof I don't know.
I think you have to kind ofhave more manners.
Where you don't got a billionin the bank, maybe more people
that have something to sayshould feel as free as a
billionaire does in the way theyspeak.
(39:02):
But we live in an era whereyour family can be canceled or
destroyed or torn apart orburned to the ground for having
a different opinion, whetheryou're right or wrong.
It's like we don't even care ifit's right or wrong.
If it's different than how Ifeel, then you know yeah, it's
pretty wild yes it's.
(39:23):
I've never.
I've never seen it.
I think it's, I think it'scrazy, but it is what it is.
I still treat everybody withlove, I know that's true, yeah,
for sure.
We just watch from thesidelines like damn, that's
crazy.
But you know, a billion, youcan jump in.
Like hey break it up, all right.
All right you shut up.
All right, you sit down.
We just watch right now, weain't breaking up no fights, all
(39:47):
right.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
so I'm so curious.
What was this artist's name?
Again, how the hell did he makea billion from art?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Damien Hirst Well, and so it's kind of there's some
people that are, I think, moreacademic that may not like
Damien Hirst.
He'll do something like he'llget a shark and put the shark in
(40:12):
embalming fluid and put that inthe in the exhibition and it's
this much money or whatever.
Yeah, uh, I mean he didn't paintanything, he didn't really the
shark I mean god made the sharkor whatever you believe made the
shark, evolution or whatever,like how much of it is that like
where?
How does he sign right, where's?
Where's the artist?
Oh, he's in flamado.
(40:34):
Yeah, you know, from out it'slike you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, like you're kind of just transporting
something at that point, likeyeah, I, I love damien hearst.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I think he's, I think he makes some, some beautiful
things.
But also I think there's somethings that's out there that's
kind of like all right, like thebanana that's taped on a wall,
it's like man that my buddy sentme that and he's a pilot for
fedex.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
He's a military pilot before that, flying fighter
jets, I think.
Think his exact words are likefuck me, I quit this is the
article.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I mean it's kind of like, and I, I look I'm an
artist and so this is no shade,this is it's all love, I just me
.
When I look at it I'm like allright yeah all right, you know I
is.
Is it ridiculous?
I mean, I don't know, it feelssilly.
(41:33):
But if a room says, no, I seesomething in this and it moves
me, then okay, I can't arguewith it.
I've seen some work that wasvery, not even archaic, but just
simple in nature and it movedme.
It was like a line that wasjust like a weird squiggly, like
(41:56):
somebody free-handed a line.
They tried to make it straightand the way that it was off was
just beautiful to me and it wasjust a line, so I was moved by
that.
I looked at the price it waslike $180 me, and it was just a
line, so I was moved by that.
I looked at the price it waslike $180,000 for this line and
for me the line was worth itbecause for some reason and I
don't know why, but I was movedby the line.
(42:18):
So, as silly as a banana in thetape sounds, I've been moved by
it sillier.
But also I get suspicious whenI see the banana in the tape.
I'm like, come on, bro.
Or an invisible sculpture thatsells for 50.
It's like the invisible scope.
Come on, bro, Really.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I just saw that article again and, like last
week, it popped up on my feedand I'm like I'm in the wrong
business.
Man, I really missed myopportunity here.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
I mean, you don't want the market to become a
laughingstock, because then theconsumer becomes suspicious.
What An invisible sculpture,right?
So then, maybe this Basquiatthat sold for $150 million maybe
is not really worth $150million.
Is it worth $150 million?
I don't know.
Yeah, and that's kind of theromance and mystery I have with
(43:08):
fine art.
It's that gray space.
Is jewelry worth what it'sworth?
Is any of this worth?
These cameras these are nicecameras.
Are they worth this much, right?
I?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
don't know, maybe it's weird, because the cameras,
for me, I see them and it'slike all right, well, this has,
you know, this sensor in it, youknow, and the lens has this
glass and aperture like there'skind of a fact sheet I can go
down.
I guess art kind of has thattoo, I mean, but it's more
emotional, I feel like you know,and there's this emotional
connection, like your lineconnection, yeah, and but then
(43:44):
there's also a hype part that Iwonder a lot of these artists,
like the duct tape, banana, andone that comes to mind that was
one of my and I know very littleabout art.
I preface all of this.
I should have prefaced the wholepodcast with.
I know very little about art.
We both know very little.
I'm still, art is big, no oneknows much about art, but one
(44:04):
that always pops in my mind andprobably because of the exact
thing I'm about to bring up with, like maybe it's pr companies
pushing it or good marketingbehind it, but banksy is one
that always, like you know, andhad the whole documentary come
out and but I haven't stayedlike up on banksy and I heard
there was some controversy andsome theories about banksy and
was it really like a real person?
And yeah, I don't know.
(44:25):
Do you know much about Banksy?
Catch me up on where the Banksy?
is.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I think he's a talented artist with a talented
brand.
I think he has something to sayand I think he's really good at
saying what it is he wants tosay.
I like him as an artist.
The other gentleman in thatdocumentary.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Exit.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Through the Gift Shop .
Mr Brainwash, he's an artist.
Now he's different.
He's kind of like and this isno shade, mr Brainwash, you cool
.
I got to preface that becauseyou know this weird generation
that we in.
But it's like you know, I ain'teven going to say it.
(45:11):
I ain't even going to say itLike you know, he I felt like
the film was trying to highlight, look, banksy being an
established artist.
If he says that this artist isthe next great artist, y'all
will believe it, even though heis not.
And they kind of showed that inthe doc.
(45:32):
Well, after the doc it wasalmost like oh okay, that's
beautiful, like socialexperiment.
Mr Brainwash just keeps itgoing because there's some
people that it's almost likethey still believe it, even
though it was created to showyou, to put a mirror to how the
market can be manipulated.
(45:53):
There are people that still havefallen in love with the
manipulation.
It's like the woman that knowsher guy's cheating on her but
she just can't get around it.
She thinks like no, I'm hisreal main, no, you're not,
you're on the side, but they'vefallen in love with it and so he
(46:14):
has a whole separate career andhe's doing well and I'm glad
he's doing well.
And again, this is not a this,it's just an observation.
People were selling pet rocksin the 90s.
We know the rock is just a rock, but with enough PR marketing,
(46:35):
maybe the rock, maybe it'scontemplating something deeper
now from the PR marketing.
You know what I mean.
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Is Banksy still doing stuff?
Did it ever come out Like?
Do we know his identityofficially?
Is it still hidden?
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I don't know.
Do you know it's still hidden?
Yeah, I think it's brilliant.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
I think he just figured out the art market on
such a genius level that he'srespected.
He's able to, like you said,put a mirror to the market.
Yeah, respected.
He's able to, like you said,put a mirror to the market,
almost make fun of it, but stillkeep his own peace, but still
speak on social issues.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
And still make money for him and his family and his
legacy Banks is good in my book.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
He could die and we wouldn't even know.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
That's pretty wild.
Here's the crazy thing.
Alright, what if he's deadalready, like eight years ago?
Speaker 2 (47:28):
It's a family trust taking care of it.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Well, so I heard that eight years ago he got poisoned
by the nanny.
The nanny had like 40 paintingsfrom him that he would just
gift type shit, and he waspoisoned.
And it's an Asian dude, it'snot even Banksy, that's a hell
of a theory you just making thisall up.
(47:52):
I'm just making it up.
That would be wild, that wouldbe wild.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
It's all China.
China's running it now longlive Banksy.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
I like Banksy.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
So I know last time we ran into each other at
Massey's Kitchen talking aboutthe trip to New York and what's
kind of next plans going offLike what's this year look like
for 25?
.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, so we're working on a series where
imagine, like Anthony Bourdain,but with a paintbrush you know
what I'm saying.
Okay, I'm interviewingdifferent cool people that I
meet along my travels and I'masking them some very like weird
questions and I'm paintingwhile I'm talking to them,
(48:36):
making a portrait.
But it's not like what theylook like, it's more or less
what they feel like like aninner portrait.
And Lauren Beck she producedManchester by the Sea.
What's the other movie?
The scary one starts with an SSuspiria.
She produced that Supertalented she's behind it.
(48:57):
Kevin Thompson he produced theGenius film with Kanye.
He's with Cootie and Cheeky ofCreative Control TV.
We got an all-star squad and I'mgrateful to have this caliber
of people believe in my visionand I'm super excited for
(49:21):
everyone else to see it.
It's going to be a good time.
So we got that Crimson BuildingCulture and Code Museum out
this year.
There's going to be a lotcoming out on that.
She can talk, speak on thatbetter than I can.
But in between all of that, I'mpainting every day.
That's awesome.
I got you know in my brain.
(49:41):
Even though we got these otherbusinesses set up the restaurant
, ceramics company, the cultureand code, my art business.
I still got to pretend like ifI don't paint, I don't eat.
I got to look in the mirror andbe like there's 8 billion
people out here.
I still got to tap into thatbecause when you get comfortable
(50:04):
.
A couple of years back I hit abig bag and I got real
comfortable and I mean I waspainting maybe once every three
or four months, just beingtransparent.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Because I was moving so much.
Yeah, and you know, money waskind of new to me at that level
and life taught me how to likehey, look, you need to chill,
bro, like you need to.
And I had some good people,some good mentors around me that
was like, hey, bro, you need todo this.
(50:37):
And at halftime, even if you up42-0, you got to look at it
like it's 0-0.
That's something Ted told methat he got from his coach in
alabama.
Like I got a lot of good wisdomfrom people that uh, hit some
success like a hundred timesmore than me, so it's giving me
some game and uh, it, it helpeda lot.
(50:58):
So now we're moving with a,with the right balance and
vision going forward.
But that first, that first kindof like you make more money
than you thought you'd make andyou, you know, you know what I'm
talking about and it come,you're like, oh, okay, yeah, and
you know another feeling Ibought some stupid cars during
that time.
I bought some stupid stuff, butit is what it is.
(51:18):
You go through it and you, youknow, recalibrate, and the real
ones are able to climb back up,you know.
So we, just we, I, I like wherewe are because we're the way.
The intention that we're movingwith now it's just so
calculated and focused and it'sauthentic.
It's us.
We don't gotta, you know,shucking job or we ain't gotta
(51:39):
like be goofy out here.
We can stay who we are and wedon't have to compromise for
some corporation.
We, we got people that believein the brands that we built,
where they'll just give it to usdirectly, like as a partner or
investor.
Yeah, that's, that's been,that's been a blessing, it's
been love, it's like okay, yeah,we, we're doing it right, you
(52:01):
know yeah, I love the.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
You mentioned the, the bar and restaurant as well.
Uh, home bar like the bar.
Yeah, the name, it's a greatname and having your artwork in
there.
I love going there and visitingand the espresso martini list
that's definitely favorite ofhannah and I as well shout out
to lee brock on that.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
I think lee, lee and matt really pushed the espresso
martinis.
Those are my business partnersin the restaurant.
And and shout out to Brian akaB Money.
Yeah, good partners makes therestaurant game pretty fun.
I think if we had to do italone it would be really
stressful.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, I can see that for sure.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Yeah, it would be stressful yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Man, from what I hear , it's pretty stressful either
way, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, yeah.
But when you got some partnersand it's like I, me and cran are
real good with like art designand like creating um an ambiance
, so we just focused on that.
I'm not good with books, Istill gotta get my books right.
You know, I mean like, sothat's more brian.
(53:03):
Yeah, matt is a lawyer.
I mean, you know what I'msaying.
So he handles this area.
And Lee, like, we all handledifferent areas, our own zones
of genius.
So we never, it's never, weird.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
You know, To have to wear all those hats.
I don't think I could do it Forthis tour?
Speaker 2 (53:24):
are you going to be traveling for this and like,
paint these pieces or like?
Speaker 1 (53:27):
yeah, we got a.
We got connected with a studioin New York.
I forgot this guy's name.
I just linked up with him acouple weeks ago.
Lauren introduced me to him.
Great guy, he's done a lot ofstuff for TV and film.
I think it starts with a.
(53:47):
I think his name is Bob, but Idon't know.
Bob doesn't sound right.
Yeah, his name is Bob.
Okay, Bob, in New York we'regoing to use his space.
It has like a garden on theroof and it's like two or three
stories and when I saw it it'simmaculate.
(54:08):
It's beautiful.
They got cameras hiddeneverywhere so we can keep it
natural.
It won't feel like a camera'sin your face.
But then there's some artistsand people that we've met, like
Larry Jenkins.
He's a talented horn player.
He's in Nashville so it'd beeasy to just pull up in
Nashville, find a beautifulspace.
(54:29):
His music he just won a shoutout to him.
He just won his second Grammy.
Like to find an atmosphere thathe feels most comfortable in or
something that compliments orrepresents the kind of music
that he plays.
Like we're kind of playing withdifferent models, but we wanted
(54:53):
to secure a secure spot in newyork because a lot of the talent
goes in and out of new york.
But some of these guys is offthe beaten path.
Some are in like cabins, likenah, he's in wyoming, he don't
really leave much we'll have togo to him, I'm looking forward
to it.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Awesome man, I'm looking forward to seeing the
work.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
I have to have you on that, man.
Maybe next time you're in arace I'll bring a painting and a
passenger seat and I try topaint it when you're hitting
these crazy turns.
The passenger has to call outthe turns.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I guess I'm mainly racing motorcycles now, so you
don't have a hell of a time onthe back of a motorcycle.
I wouldn't be able to do soyou're not doing cars anymore no
, I found that I just couldn'treally one afford them because I
was racing off-road stuff outwest and trying for a little bit
.
Um, kind of got into that mybuddy robert.
He's going to come on here andtalk about it.
(55:45):
He races that trophy truck.
He's got Chattanooga Whiskey onit Nice but you've got to haul
everything out there.
He's done well enoughfinancially.
He's got a whole team in Texasthat just is always taking care
of the rig full time and theyhaul it out there.
But I was taking care of the rigmyself hauling up my trailer
across the country to vegas iswhere most of the races.
It's like man, I can't do.
(56:06):
There's nowhere to test itaround here.
So motorcycles are cheaper andI'm better at two wheels I am
four wheels anyways, so, um, andI can race them right here, you
know, close to home, and a bikewould be more dangerous though.
Right, oh yeah.
So usually like you go to, wecall it cages.
You know you gotta go to racein a cage, so you have like a
roll cage around you as you getolder and I'm already way past
(56:26):
that old part now, as I'mhitting 40.
So I should be in a cage, butI'm going to squeeze some more
life out of these old bones fora good.
Back to a cage.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Would you ever this is a weird question Would you
ever sell one of your bones?
Like, take out your leg bone,they put like some metal in
there and maybe we create an artpiece out of one of your bones.
Whichever one you depend on themost when you're racing?
Speaker 2 (56:55):
So I'd probably be more inclined to sell a kidney
but a bone, I don't know.
I'm pretty scared of likeneedles and going under the
knife and all that too.
So that'd probably be a toughone, but I'm not going to say no
, because that could be kind ofa cool piece of art too.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
For $100 million Sold Nice, when we're doing surgery.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
I got a butter knife out there in the conference room
.
You want to do it right here.
Right here, man, I've enjoyedtalking man likewise anytime,
yeah, anytime, yeah.
I was telling uh, actually Ithink I was telling zach, and
just actually he's on teammeeting, uh, on monday and
talking about yesterday, thatwas yesterday.
(57:39):
We have our one of our teammeetings on monday and zoom call
and I was like, yeah, I gotbuddy, my gents is coming in and
I was kind of describing whoyou were and looking up on
social media and I was like he'sjust very kind of poetic and
everything he says and does.
And I was like actually,whenever we're sitting at mass,
he's like he just always kind ofdrops these like little nuggets
of poetry on me and youprobably don't remember this,
but it stood out to me becausevery few people talk like this
(58:01):
and I was like yeah.
I've been writing, like doingdaily journaling, gratitude and
that sort of thing, and I wassitting about, sitting in front
of that window, you know, and inmy house, looking out over the
cliff, and you know, like the,the window to a poet is like the
oven to a chef, or it wassomething like that, and I was
like it just came out so quickly.
I'm like when I got to think of, you know, uh, analogies or
parables like that, like I'd bethere for years trying to think
of one, you know analogies orparables like that, like I'd be
(58:23):
there for years trying to thinkof one, you know, but it just
like kind of flowed out of youand I was like that's very deep.
I never thought about that, butriding in front of a window
does, like it brings it out.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Yeah, but I'm surrounded by a lot of talented
people, so there's a lot of gemsthat get thrown around.
If you're in a treasure room,you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
You're going to have some jewelry.
You know what I mean?
Like I'm surrounded.
It's less of me and I thinkmore of like spirit and friends.
That just I mean.
Yeah, it's hard not to drop agem when everybody around you is
dropping gems, right?
Speaker 2 (59:02):
Well, genesis, thanks for joining us today.
Man, absolutely Appreciate it.
It was a blast.
Stay tuned around.
You is dropping gems Right.
Well, genesis, thanks forjoining us today.
Man, absolutely Appreciate it.
It was a blast.
Stay tuned for next podcast.
We got some more guests comingup next week Either my buddy
that races trophy trucks or, whoknows, maybe some other person.
We'll go between art,motorsports and one other person
that thinks they want to comedrop some Nuggets information.
But you got to compete againstgenesis on the great nuggets.
(59:24):
But thanks for joining us.
Uh, be sure to check outgenesis social media.
It's genesis the great kidright on instagram.
Everything um website genesisthe great kid yeah, that'll get
them now.
Yeah, yeah, check out all hisartwork.
I've got three pieces here inthe office.
It's awesome artwork, so besure to look them up.
Give them a like, follow, shoutout, cheers, cheers.
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