August 8, 2022 • 49 mins
Dr. Erin Taylor joins us to discuss Emotional Freedom Technique-E.F.T/Tapping. Erin wrote her PhD thesis about EFT for panic attacks.
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Hey everyone. I'm Angel Amy.
And hi, I'm Lila.
Today we are having a littlechat with Dr. Aaron Taylor. And
she is an EFT tappingpractitioner. And we'd like to
welcome you miss Erin Gill.
Yeah. Thanks for being here. I'mexcited to be here.
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So, today, I'm so excitedbecause I just love to tell them
a little bit of how a little bitabout you and how you became an
EFT practitioner. So Aaron isactually a doctorial prepared
RN. Is that how I say it? That'scorrect. Okay. And she is an RN
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and has worked in the medicalcommunity for years for for a
long time, almost 25 years.
Yeah. And Aaron is someone thathas struggled with panic
disorder, in anxiety. And so shelearned about tapping so many
years ago, and decided that shewould bring this to the medical
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community, because it helped herovercome her panic disorder, as
you will learn it helped me withmine. And the medical community
shut you down. Yeah,yeah. They they weren't
interested in having it broughtto the hospital.
Okay. Yeah. And so we're gonnalearn about why. Right? Yeah.
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But then what happened is plottwist, everybody, plot twist,
Lila Aaron decides to become adoctor. She is a badass. She is
like, listen, everybody. If Ibecome a doctor, maybe they'll
they'll take me serious. Right,right. Yeah. And so she went
back to school, became a doctorsays, Hey, Angel, Amy, I have to
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do a thesis. Can I use youroffice? And I was like, hell
yeah. This is a really goodcause. I believe in you.
Mazarin. And you did yourthesis, and it went really good.
And then you became a doctor.
And now Aaron speaks atsymposium in some symposiums and
nursing conferences in front ofhundreds of nurses. Yeah. 1000s
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sometimes 1000s.
So that Disney everybody, I wentto Disney. That was that little
company called Disney. Aarontalks in front of people at
Disney. Yeah, that was fun. Soif you can't if you're listening
to this, and you think you can'tdo something, because Big Daddy
Big Momma big whoever corporateAmerica tells you know, there's
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always a way Right.
Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, goingfrom panic disorder to speaking
in front of 1000s of people. Youknow, obviously, that EFT works
for me. So it worked for me too.
Yeah. So let's, let's start whatis EFT?
Okay, so EFT is an energymodality. And it is. If you
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think about all of the othercomplementary therapies, it's
kind of a combination ofacupressure, on the points that
we would use acupuncture,cognitive behavioral therapy,
regular talk therapy, orpsychotherapy and exposure
therapy. So what it is, is thatit basically theorizes that the
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cause of all negative problemsemotion, belief or thought is a
disruption in the body's energysystem. So as I know that people
can't see what I'm doing, but Ido it with my hands so I can
explain it. So as you tap youopen up your energy system and
you release whatever it is thatis causing that disruption,
whether it's a thought or it'san emotion or it's something
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that happened to you when youwere younger or even last week
or a limiting belief a limitingbelief. Yeah, absolutely. And so
between that and you know, ithas some some combination of
Kinesiology as well so when I'mdoing EFT on people I do I use
muscle testing to figure outsome answers if they don't know
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what that answer is.
Yeah, so Aaron uses kinesiologywhich we talked about in a
different episode. She'll,she'll test use your hands, I
usemy hand I use my fingers. Yeah.
And I get yes or no questionsanswered. And I'm basically
using the muscle energy of theclient to figure out whether or
not it's a yes or no.
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And I use the angels. So Aaronand I are both EFT
practitioners. And this is why Iwanted to bring you on because I
thought it'd be so fun to heartwo different viewpoints, but
it's, you know, we both get tothe root of the problem. So
where Aaron does it throughkinesiology, I use my psychic
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ability to get yeses and noes Tothe angels. Exactly.
So there's always different waysto do it.
Right. And we all need to staytrue to us as practitioners.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when you sowe just talked about, really
what EFT is? And why did youdecide to choose panic disorder
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as your thesis? Was it becauseof your own story? Or?
Oh, yeah. So this is a littlebit long winded. So I suffered
with panic disorder. Since I was16 years old, I had my first
panic attack at my sweet 16party, right. And it came out of
nowhere, just like it does formost people. And it scared the
living daylights out of me. Andfrom 16. And on, I just I
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suffered with panic disorder. Ihad tried medication, I had
tried therapy. But yet, Icontinued to go and I continued
to move on. And I continued toexcel at school. And you would
never know that I would be infront of you. And I would be
having a panic attack. And itwas it was the hardest thing to
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go through. So I had some, somepersonal I guess I had I had a
boss right into around2011 2012. And I had a really
bad experience with this person.
And my regular therapist wasn'tthere. She was on vacation. And
they said, Well, if you'rehaving an emergency call my my
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counterpart, here's her number.
So I called and it was my friendEllen Epstein, who is an EFT
practitioner. So I had no, I hadnever met her. I didn't know
her. She said, Come and see metomorrow. So I went to see her.
And she said, Okay, I'm going todo this thing on you. And it's
going to be kind of weird, butI'm going to be tapping your
face in your head. And Ithought, first I thought,
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where's my phone? And in case Iused to call the police, like,
what is this what we're going todo today, and she started to
tap. And all of a sudden, I've Ifelt relaxed, and my body
started to relax. And I left heroffice that day. And it was the
first time in years that Iactually felt better. Wow. And I
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went and saw her a few moretimes that week. And, you know,
so on and so forth. Itcompletely changed my life, my
plan a life changing my panic,completely dissipated. And, you
know, over months of goinglearning it myself, but I
thought this is this is what isthis magic, like? And why have I
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not heard about it before. Andif this can work for me, at that
point, I was in my 30s. I was inmy early 30s. And I thought if I
could, this can work for meafter having all of these years
of panic and anxiety attacks. Iwant to share this with the
world. So I then went to becomea practitioner. And I became
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level one certified, then Ibecame level two certified. And
at that point, I was a nurse andI said I need to get this into
hospitals. And I need to getthis into nursing schools. And I
need to teach this because thisis not only a therapy that
works, but it also workscomplementary with other with
other, you know, therapies. AndI said, I need to teach this to
the world. So as Amy said, Iwent to got my doctorate. I
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started to see clients, I did aresearch study. And it was
published in energy psychologyjournal, which was really
exciting. Yeah. Which is reallyexciting. And I just feel like
it's something that a lot ofpeople don't know about, or they
think it's you know, you don'thave to believe in it for it to
work. Right. It works, right.
Yeah. And what I love about it,too, is it's a self help tool.
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So I also know Elena Epstein,and she's my mentor. And
basically, I met her out of theblue. But when I did meet her, I
had heard about tapping throughanother woman. And I had done
some tapping with her. And aftermy I'd say, second session, I
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was like, I can't believe howdifferent I feel in my body.
That I have to learn how to dothis and how to use it to help
other people same thing. But asI got more seasoned with it, I
start the real love for it waslike oh, people don't have to
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always see me. I know thatsounds crazy like a
practitioner. But a big piece ofAngel Amy and I know you Aaron
feel the same way that we wantto empower people and we want to
empower people to be in theirown personal power. And as
healers we don't heal you. Weare the tour guide for you to
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heal yourself. So you canactually take tapping and do it
at home. Some things are nice tohave support, especially when
you tap on the elephant in theroom, right? You know that from
our own stories, right? Butlittle day to day things, you
could completely learn this anddo it at home
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100%. And that is the beauty ofit, you can do it anywhere you
can be in your car, you can bein the shower, the in, it's a
basic recipe, so it's alwaysgoing to be the same thing. I
don't know, you know, ourlisteners may or may not know
what it what it actuallyentails. When I say acupressure
or, or you take your twofingers, either hand, and you
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start with what we call thekarate chop. So you take, you
actually take all four fingers,and you start to tap on the
other side of your other hand,right. And that's going to be
your psychological reversal. Soif anything is going on with
your polarity in your body, thisreverses it back to normal. So
that's always the first part ofit, then we do is we take our
two fingers, and you tap the topof your head. It's very light
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pressure, six or seven taps,then the inner eye, your outer
eye. under your eye, you dounder your nose, under your
mouth, underneath thecollarbone. You get to your I
would say like your second rib,and then under Liqui abrasca.
Yeah, kind of like Yeah. Andthen underneath your armpit. And
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those are the points that weuse. And as you get further
along in EFT as an EFTpractitioner and you become a
master, you can start usingfinger fingers too, you can tap
the fingers. I don't typicallydo that just because I feel like
the basic recipe that we useworks anyways. Sometimes if
somebody is holding somethingthat's been traumatic for a very
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long time, I will go to thefingertips, I will go to the eye
rolls. That's another part ofEFT that we use when once you
get past level two. But I findthat the basic recipe works all
the time. Yeah, yeah. Solet's see if we can be a little
bit more specific, like when yousay that, that's what you're
tapping on. So give me a night.
So if I came to you, and I saidthat I was having panic attacks.
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Tell me what that looks likewhen you say I'm tapping on
that.
So first, I would ask what whatit is right now. And we have to
use a scale. So just like if youwere at a hospital, and they
asked you what your pain levelis zero to 10. And what's called
a sub scale, and it's theintensity that you feel when
you're talking talking aboutthat emotion or the topic that's
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bothering you. That's that'sholding that disruption in your
energy system. Zero is nothingand 10 is the worst intensity
that you can feel. So first ofall, ask, okay, let's talk about
your panic. What is it thatyou're afraid of? Are you afraid
of the symptoms? Are you afraidof? Are you afraid of having
another one? Right? So myresearch study wasn't the fear
of having the panic attack, thefear of the symptoms, it was the
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fear of having a recurring panicattack. And that's what sets a
lot of people off. Okay, so Iwould ask kind of a random
randomized questions about that,then we would just start, even
though I have this feeling ofdread, when I start to get
anxious, you have to then say, Ideeply, you know,
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and completely love andappreciate my exactly
right. Because the differencebetween tapping isn't we're not
we want to focus on what it isthat's causing that disruption,
right. So we don't want peopleto relive it, but we want them
to say to their body to theirenergy, okay, this is okay, it's
okay to get it out there to putit out there. We're going to
talk about it and we're going torelease it. So it's whatever
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that issue is. And you do thatthree times, then you go on to
each point, and you're going totap on whether it's a symptom,
this stomach pain, thissweating, this feeling of
nausea, and each point that youtap will bring something else
will bring, you know, the nextfeeling and the next feeling.
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And you usually go to rounds,then we stop or an image or you
may get an image, you may feelit in your stomach, you may feel
it in your chest memories arehuge. And then we'll stop after
two rounds. And we'll regroupWhat's your intensity level. And
Amy may say, Okay, now I'mthinking about the time where I
got an elevator and I had myfirst panic attack. So if some
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so things are coming up, thenwe're going to focus on that.
Alright, let's focus on that,that memory. What it What was it
about being in that elevatorthat bothered you? That's harder
to get you anxious? And, youknow, many times when when I
think of, if you came to me andsaid I have I have panic. It's a
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tabletop right? And then youhave all these legs, and many
times we're tapping and then andeach time we tap, a leg will go
away, then another leg thenanother like that. And sometimes
we can do one round of tappingand the whole table, the whole
table of issues goes away.
Like you want that table top todrop to the ground. Exactly,
yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so Ilove this because you can tap on
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anything. So it's not just forpanic or anxiety. We're focusing
on that today. But anything inyour life that you want to
change, you can tap on Yeah.
Whether it's something you needa physical ailment, a way that
you feel about yourself. HatingYour boss, hating your husband.
My kids talk back to me, right?
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Yeah, anything, anything,anything.
It's so neat the way it works.
It could be you know, I'm usedto to public speaking now. But
when I first had to speaking infront of large crowds, I would
tap on my way to there in thecar, even though I'm, I feel
this nervousness about speakingin front of all these people, I
deeply and completely appreciatelove myself, or whatever that
recipe is, that feels good foryou. And then I would just have
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and by the time I got there, Iwould feel better.
Yeah. Right. Use the tool to goteach about the tool.
Exactly. 100%.
Right. Yeah. Well, that, youknow, it works. Absolutely.
I think the other thing is, youknow, I was able, I was very,
very blessed to be able to teachthis at Regis College. I was, I
was an adjunct professor for thenursing program there. And there
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was a class complementary andalternative therapies in
nursing. And we were able toteach this modality in addition
to acupuncture, acupressure, youknow, Reiki yoga, so it's
getting out there. It's just not100% here yet. In Australia, the
professional athletes use itbefore football games.
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So I didn't know that I,as you know, Amy taught me
tapping. And I remember goingback I had a group of friends
all to triathlon, and I said,EFT and they all said, well,
haven't you seen people doingthat? They put their wetsuit on
and they start. I was like, No,I never even noticed. But that
was the first time that I hadseen it was that people were
getting ready to do an event.
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Yeah. And that's what they weredoing to prepare for July
was done to Ironman you hadshe's also about us. That's
yeah, yeah. So that was ourwhole thing is tapping on a
physical ailment. Before a bigrace? Yeah, yeah. Right.
Yeah, definitely. And it helps.
like Amy said, it works for I'vehad clients with panic. I've had
clients with PTSD. I've hadveterans. I've had people who
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wanted weight loss. I've hadsomebody who had tennis elbow,
I've had tons of kids. I've hadpeople who have had aversions to
needles and vaccines. I mean, itworks for everything. And some
people say to me, Well, does itwork for cancer? Well, it
doesn't work for cancer, but itwill work for the nausea that
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you may feel from thechemotherapy. So there are
things that there's ways around,you know, if somebody has an
ailment, I will always find away that we can make them feel
better.
Exactly. Or it may create spaceinside your energetic body,
where you then manifest or bringtowards you. The the cure or the
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fix or something healing, or thethe healing path. For your
disease. Yeah, it can createspace, right? Yeah. So I tell
people that too. Now, let's talkabout this. Lila knows. You're
gonna see why we're laughing.
Lila knows that my tapping theangels 100% take people into the
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inner child. Line, his leastfavorite word is inner child.
My, the basis of my tapping workis all inner child. So how far
into the inner child do you go?
I don't that you affirm to me.
I do. Yeah. I mean, sometimes wedo. Sometimes we have to go all
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the way back. But I if if it'ssomething that is their inner
child, or something thathappened in a previous lifetime,
right, I send them to you.
Yep. So I want to talk a littlebit about this because it's two
different paths that are superhelpful. And it just depends on
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looking at the person andknowing that their recipe needs
something else. So I've referredpeople to Aaron. So anyone that
is maybe willing to go to lookbackwards and go into the inner
child, like I'm your girl, we'regonna go in and we're gonna
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connect the 567 year old youwith like, say the 40 year old
you anyone that doesn't reallynecessarily love processing, or
wants to try this, but wants tostay in the current timeframe.
Have you Erin is amazing, right?
And so there's no right orwrong. It's just that everyone
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needs something different. Anddifferent practitioners offer
different skill set right orhave different skill sets.
I always think about the timewhen I first met you and Amy
said, everybody has intuition.
It's just like any other kind ofexercise, the more you practice,
the more you get better at it.
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And the more I've became good,really good at becoming an EFT
practitioner, I started to getintuitive with clients. And I
would, they would be tapping onsomething and it would take them
back to their childhood. And Iwould I could all of a sudden, I
could see, tell me, whathappened to you when you were 12
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years old, and you're on a swingin the backyard with that big
rock next to it. It's like, allof a sudden, you see, and you
can feel their energy because weare all energy. And so no matter
what, when you're doing this,memories will come up. But the
more you do it, whether you doit to yourself or for somebody
else, you become more intuitive,because everybody has that gift.
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Amy is just, you know, more of abadass.
So yeah, the more you it's likea muscle and the more you use
it, the more the clearer itbecomes. Yeah, right. So yeah.
So I wanted to kind of likebridge the two things together.
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So I have a question for youthen. Yeah, because I know that
my tapping is very much by thebook. So we use the basic recipe
and we use the I use EFT thatGary Craig created. So EFT
you're gonna go into this? Yeah.
Okay. So EFT has been aroundforever. Okay. The first, I
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guess I should say, Dr. RogerCallahan was it was a physician
who learned about energy throughkinesiology and acupressure
pressure and acupuncture. And hekind of put together what he
called TFT thought fieldtherapy. And what he did was he
would test and researchpatients, and he would figure
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out that if you had a stomachissue, the tapping point would
be underneath your eye. So eachtapping point corresponded with
an issue, whether it wasnervousness, whether it was
pain, whether it was nausea,okay. And you had to really
memorize, remember, which pointdid did what, he charged a lot
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of money to learn TFT. And thenGary Craig, he came in the 90s.
And he said, I'm gonna, I wantto learn all about this. So he
did, but he took TFT. And hemade it EFT, where he took all
of the points and said, If youtap on every point, you're going
to get whatever ailment that is,and you're not going to have to
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worry about remembering stomachto under the eye, you know, pain
under the nose. And he, like us,realized the magic of it, and
said, I want to teach everybodyabout it. And he taught the
world and there's videos on him.
There's practice DVDs, I haveeverything. And that's kind of
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how I learned about it wasthrough Gary Craig. And then I
took a course a gentleman fromACP association of comprehensive
energy psychology came toMarblehead from England. And we
did a five day training sessionon EFT it was eight hours a day
for five days. Yeah, it wascrazy. It was awesome, though.
And that's how I learned. Butwhere was I going with us?
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You're gonna ask me a question.
So I learned the book way,right. basic recipe, you say the
same thing. So you tap on thepoint? Everything, the only
thing that changes is yourmemories or what you're feeling
at the time. Amy? taps on thepoints, but you use angels to
guide you.
i? i Yes, I say what the angelshave me say. So it's a lot of
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feeling. It's a lot of knowing.
So in psychic one on one,there's the seas. And one of the
Seas is clairsentience. InClairsentience is knowing in so
the first place I go with aclient that I'm tapping with is
into that, that energy stream ofjust knowing. And so I take
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light notes, I listen. And thenI begin the session where we go
through the tapping points withthe angels guiding it so it
looks like I'm doing it but it'snot really me. Gotcha. It's the
angels. Right. So I I talk 1000sof tapping clients with no
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certification. And then I saidthis is kind of like I get I'd
never go get certified. So I, Itested out of EFT one. I passed
like the test without everlooking at the book because I
had already had the experience.
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Yeah. And then I went into EFTtoo. And it was, I think it was
eight hours for three days. Itwas like a weekend. And I got
kicked out on the last day. ButI got my certification. I pissed
the instructors off. No, yeah, Itriggered it was a man and a
woman. And I triggered thefemale. What did you say?
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Teacher? It's not what I said.
Sometimes, there's a presence, Ithink that I have that can
create, bring up people stuff.
And in the class, there weresome students that were asking
me questions, and they reallyand I was answering them. And
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because that's what a trueteacher does, right? Even though
I know my place in theclassroom. And when they were
talking, I would sit there andlisten and take notes and do you
know, be a student. But then Ithink she started to figure out
that the the other students weretaking a likeability to me, they
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wanted to team up with me torelease their stuff, because we
would practice on each other.
When I did it. 100%. And thisone woman came back the next
day, and she's like, I don'teven feel like the same person.
And she was crying and thankingme. So it you know, when some
people can handle that, in somepeople can't. And unfortunately,
I was in I attracted that Iattracted a female teacher, that
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whether we call her threatened,jealous, you know, her stuff
came up, and I got removed. AndI I said to her, when she kicked
me out, I said, basically, likey'all learning from me. So all
this anger, this is hilarious tome. I wasn't rude to her. I just
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looked at her lovingly and said,I'm actually getting your
triggered. And this is whatyou're in there teaching all
these people, all thesestudents, and now you're back,
you're kicking me out. I said,you know, maybe go back in there
and tap it all out with them.
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Like, I don't know if I'm makingsense.
Her her. Her ego got in the way,right. She needs to, she
probably needs to work on.
I never in a million yearsthought I would tell the story
on this podcast, but I just did.
Yeah, it's okay. It's okay. Igot kicked out of Level Two I
got I made sure she was gonnagive me my certification.
Because I said, I'm not leaving,unless you're gonna give that to
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me. Because you know that I'mqualified. And she in she says,
I'm gonna give it to you to getrid of you. Whereas our words,
Amy Yeah. And I took that classwith two other people, you know,
and they witnessed it. Oh, yeah,I know. I know you do. I know
you're doingthis is when you say you're
you're tough. You're tough man.
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Yeah,it's not. So I didn't study it.
But I took the class to get thecertification. Right. Right. So
I love EFT it is life changing.
Did I did we even answer yourquestion? Yeah.
No, 100%?
Yeah, I got kicked out of class.
So after that, I've taken nospiritual classes, no energy
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ever. That was really what I wassupposed to get out of it.
We were just you just needed toget the piece of paper that
said, You knew I just wantedthe piece of paper. So when I
work with like, 10 year olds,and their parents are like, are
you certified in this way? Yes,I am. Right.
And that's important for forparents. And the tough thing is
working. When you're workingwith the kids, I always have the
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parents come to the session sothey can understand because
they're probably like how I waslike, Who's this crazy woman
tapping on my kid's head? Yeah.
But I think it's important tohave those credentials. You need
to have the credentials. Yeah.
Unfortunately, you have to havethe credentials for people to
take you seriously. But on thesame vein, you don't have to
believe in EFT for it to work.
It's going to work no matterwhat. And I can tell you an
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example about that. So I had afriend I call her my friend who
didn't believe in it. She saidthis is this is no this is this
is the devil work it hocuspocus. Yeah, this isn't right.
This is this is devils where itsays the devil. I said, Okay,
I'm going to I'm going to dothis with you. And we're going
to do it very light. So I wantyou to think of a movie that
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bothers you think of a movie andsomething that gives you some
intensity in your in your body.
There said okay, I have themovie. And I said, Okay, I said
What is it she said is theshining with Jack Nicholson. I
said, Okay, let's, let's findthe part of the movie that
really bothers you. She said,Oh, it's when he sticks his head
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through the door and he sayshere is Johnny. She said it
gives me a stomachache. Istarted to get nauseous. I said
okay, We're gonna tap on that.
So we're tapping, simple. Startwith the karate chop, even
though I get a stomachache whenI see the part in the movie,
where Jack Nicholson says hereis Donnie, I deeply and
completely accept myself shedoesn't, she didn't want to say
love and accept myself, she justwanted to say except myself
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fine, three times around, eventhough this part of the movie
bothers me, when Jack Nicholsonsticks his head, head through
the door, I deeply andcompletely accept myself. So
then we, you know, started withthe tapping this part of the
movie, sticking your headthrough the door, Jack
Nicholson, scary acts, whateverit is these words. And all of a
sudden, she's startled, shelooked at me and she started to
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cry. And I go, what's, what'sgoing on? Tell me what's going
on. And she said, I know, thisis a 60 plus year old woman. And
she said, I just had a thoughtand a memory of something that I
haven't thought of in years. Andshe said, I lived above my
grandparents, who came fromItaly. And they didn't speak
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English. And every day, myparents would make me go
downstairs to open the door tosee my grandparents, and say,
Good morning. And mygrandfather, who I loved, I
always was startled, because hewould always be there, behind
the door, looking out thewindow. And even though I loved
him, I was always scared when Isaw him, his Johnny. And she
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said, in that part of the moviereminded me of that feeling that
I got when I would open thedoor, and he would be right
there. And so then we just wekept, you know, we did another
session of the tapping.
So we call that a trigger,everybody. Yes, that is
a trigger. And after we finish,she said, Oh, my God, I feel so
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so much better. And a few Idon't know, few weeks, a few
months later, I asked her whatshe did she see the movie, and
she said, doesn't even bother meanymore. So that Eve, so even
though it was a good, goodmemory, right? It doesn't have
to be a bad memory. It's amemory nonetheless. Because our
limbic system is the part of ourbrain that holds flags, right,
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our amygdala holds flags. Andwhether it's a good or a bad
memory, it's a sight, a visual,a smell, your, your brain, that
part of your brain protectsyourself. And so every time
something that reminds you ofthat first time that that flag
went up, comes into your world,the flag raises again. And
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depending on whether it was agood or a bad experience, you
will continue to feel that andthat's the disruption in your
energy system unless you clearit. So you go to your
grandmother's house, and yousmell chocolate chip cookies,
every time you sell chocolatechip cookies, you think of your
grandmother, right? It's awonderful trigger. But maybe
something happens where it's notsuch a great trigger. But
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nonetheless, your body isremembering. So we have to clear
that energy, we have to clearthat
I have cleared so many of mytriggers. So many I actually
have to sit and think what mytriggers are now? I'm not sure.
I did. The Personal PeaceProcedure. Oh, yeah, tell people
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what that is, have you heard ofthis Lila, Have I ever told you.
So the Personal Peace Procedureis a tapping procedure, where
you would get a notebook, andyou would write down the top
five memories in which you feelunsafe. So you anything that is
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a trigger of feeling likefearful or I'm not going to be
okay, right. And thenunderneath, you put an age with
each memory. And you want tonumber them from the earliest to
the oldest, the youngest to theoldest. And then you put every
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emotion you feel when you thinkabout each memory, in you rate,
every single emotion on a scaleof zero to 10, with 10 being the
highest. If anyone wants thesedirections, I will email them to
you. Okay. So then what you dois you basically start with the
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first memory mine when I waswhen I was three years old. And
you tap through all the tappingpoints your memory, so you say
you basically would need tolearn the tapping points, but
you say something about thememory on each point. And then
you start to move into thefeeling. And you You stay with
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that feeling for a good, youknow, few couple of minutes
while you're feeling it. Andthen you basically tell yourself
that you're releasing it in youknow, you let it go. And then at
the end when you feel likeyou're done, you would run rate,
that one emotion with that onememory. And then you do three
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rounds of positive, positivetapping, we call it or truth
tapping, right? And then youbasically, you would wait. I did
this every other day, for 16weeks. And until I got through
all five memories with everysingle emotion down to a zero or
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a one, most people don't stickwith it. I was relentless. I'd
sit on my bed, my I was at myrock bottom, I was in dark night
of the soul. And that's when youfeel really depressed and your
life isn't going great. And so Idid this for at least 16 weeks,
and it completely changed mylife. It took about, I'd say,
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eight 910 weeks for my life tostart to change. And when you
manifest the positive, you canput things that you want need
desire, wish for. And all thosethings have come true for me.
Absolutely. I'm sure youprobably talked about this on
your other podcasts about sayingwhat you want out to the
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universe, you have to say Notreally. Are you happy? Oh, no.
But yeah, we need to people needto hear Yeah.
So Amy, so Amy, you just saidyou manifested you manifested
what you wanted. And I feel likeI have gotten to where I am
professionally. You know,emotionally, in the relationship
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that I want to because I havemanifested it. And when I say
manifest it, you think of whatyou want. But you also say it,
you say it out loud, you say itout loud, so that the universe
can hear it, you say it outloud, so that your body and your
energy can hear it. And it willit will come to you. It may not
be tomorrow. It may not be in ayear. But time is not linear.
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And, you know, I know it's alittle cliche, but things happen
when they're they are supposedto happen. And I think back on
my life where I was 10 yearsago, 15 years ago. And if I if
you were going to tell me that Iyou know, don't have panic
anymore, that I can drive crosscountry by myself that I can
speak in front of 1000s ofpeople that I have the dream job
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that I've always wanted that ourfriend Elon told me 15 years ago
I was gonna have, I would havetold you you were crazy. But you
do you have to say it, say it,say it, yell it, whatever. If
you don't want to do it in frontof people do it in your bedroom.
I love that. But to say itbecause it will come through it
will happen. That's the power ofpositivity.
I think it's great to do it.
When you get in the car alone.
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You just sit down, you plug inyour seat belt, and then you say
it out loud, and then you startto drive.
Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah.
What do you think about that?
Yeah.
I'm very much a person. I thinkthat, you know, there's a flip
side to positivity that I thinkgets sort of mixed up with it.
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And I think that sometimespeople feel like then they can't
have any negative emotions orthoughts about situations that
are happening to them. Andpeople get caught up in, like,
oh, well, if I think and I'mgonna bring it upon myself, or I
caused this What have I done tocause these, you know,
situational things? Because aswe know, you know, sometimes,
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you know, shit just have toabsolutely, yeah, so I think
that it's always there alwayshas to be room in there to say
to people like you don't have tofeel great about that, because
that is a shitty situation. Soand it's not going to make it
worse. If you acknowledge thatit's a shitty situation, right?
But, but this Yeah, and this isjust something to do on a good
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day. Yeah. When you just getedia going to the beach and you
just say I am a millionaire.
Right?
Or so like the big thing. Idon't know if either of you on
Tik Tok, but the big thing ismanifesting and then material
items, right? Like for me? Yeah,I don't even know how to use
that. Like,I'm gonna manifest a Lamborghini
or whatever, which I think is,you know, I mean, it's fine. You
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can go ahead and do it, but itprobably kind of misses the
point. Right. Some of theintention behind manifesting.
Yeah, sort of things. ButI will say though, I think that
everything that happens to you,even at your worst, and even at
your rock bottom, what you willeventually figure out why, why
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it happened. I think, at leastfor me, I had some, you know,
really, really bad experiences.
And I look back and I'm like,oh, that's why that happened. I
would never be where I am rightnow. I would never have the
strength that I have right now.
If that didn't happen to me. Ithink it's a it is a blessing,
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but but at the time, it's theworst thing that could it's the
worst Not gonna happen to you,right? I mean, I will tell you
when I was younger, I wascovered from head to toe with
psoriasis covered, you wouldnever know now because I walk
around sleeveless and she, youknow, who are just bikini and
everything else. And I thinkabout the years that I had to
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wear a cover up in that I didn'twear shorts, or I was always
covered in the summertime. And Iwould wouldn't go to pool
parties. And I remember thosebanana clips that you had to
wear in your hair, I couldn'twear them because I had it all
on my scalp. And for years andyears and years. And then I
thought, well, we finally founda medication that worked and,
and I think about it, I neversay the word because I was
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afraid it was gonna come back.
And I never wanted to talk aboutit, because I thought it was
going to come back. And now Ican talk about it. But I also
know that that made me strong,very, very much stronger, having
that going through it, which Iknow it's just a skin condition.
And people have a lot worse thanme. But there's always a silver
lining to everything thathappens.
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Absolutely. And that's why wecome here, where souls having a
human experience spirits, havinga human experience, in the only
way that you can uplift yourvibration, is to work through
your staff, right, and to movethrough it and to make
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connections get on the otherside of it, then it ages your
soul a little more, and you getmore access to all the higher
realms in heaven or on the otherside. So that's really why we
come here. So it's not I seeLila is take is when you're in
it. It's hard. Yeah. You justsaid that, too. It's really
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hard. And I've been there. Ithink that deep down inside,
even the worst moment there islike a flame or a desire or a
knowing that you can movethrough anything. And it's just
like, I guess listening to that.
And then that's why we becamepractitioners. We're, you know,
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to share this and to help peoplemove through their struggles.
Yeah, right. To also, I guessthe reason why I talk about
everything so much now isbecause everybody has something,
everybody. And even if somebodylooks like they have it all they
don't know, and the fact that wecan share, EFT and we can share
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healing and we can share thingsthat worked for us. That's
that's the way that it shouldbe. And especially in this day
and age COVID has made everybodycrazy, the world has gone nuts.
Our kids are struggling, myyoungest doesn't see his
friends, because he's used tobeing on this computer all the
time. And it makes me crazy. AndI think, okay, so what does this
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mean? So now, how are we goingto work with these kids to get
them back into society? Right?
Or? Or do we even need to is theworld going to be all computers
and zoom? I mean, the fact thatwere a person together here, as
is awesome, it's lovely. Buteven even now, at work, most of
our meetings are via zoom. Imean, I don't know, what do you
guys think about that? Well,I think as we get more
(43:11):
disconnected, we're gonna getconnected. So as technology, you
know, ramps up the where, ashumans really all have a deep
desire for connection. So it'sseeking out those social moments
or finding your community thatyou you know, find your people,
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and everyone needs to find theirpeople. And that's the whole
thing is we, as moms and dadsneed to support our children and
just finding the people thatthey feel comfortable connecting
to. Right. Yeah. So you and Iare on a big path with with kids
right now, in helping Gen Z Yes.
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And I just feel really devotedto support the parents that are
raising the changemakers. Andthere is a really unique
parenting style with raising GenZ and alpha. And so they want to
be treated as equals. And Ialways say that the dictatorship
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does just it doesn't work withthem. It's it's not the way to
go. So, you know, we need tothink of them as how would they
feel. So when we play it out, orask them to do something or
deliver information to them,really delivering it from from
empathy on how these kids feel?
And then they listen, it's likemagical.
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So let me ask you this becausethis is something that you are
passionate about, and you know,a lot more than I do. Most of
the Gen Z have Gen X parentsmost Yeah, but not all some have
millennial Yep.
Are there any baby boomers?
Some, some, some have?
It can go either way. So Gen Zis basically like we'll say it
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like eight 910 to 25.
Oh, it goes all the way up to25. Okay. And do you find that
when you're working with them?
It's, it's dependent on thegeneration that their parents
were born into?
I think that the that thegeneration, I'm seeing a trend
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with the generation that'sraising the Gen Z, and relating
it with with the issues that I'mseeing. Yes. Yes. So baby
boomers tend to because thatthose were our parents. Right.
Did you have baby boomer parentsLila? So baby boomer parents
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tend to pair parent throughdictatorship like cars in, you
know, cause and result? Like,either you do this? Or there's
going to be a result? Yes.
Right. Yes. And fear and blameand shame. And I love my baby
boomer parents, everybody. I do.
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But the the blame and shame doesnot work with Gen Z at all. They
will they they will lose respectfor you. They will not listen.
But if you say to them, youknow, I'm not here to ruin your
life. But I'm preparing you foryour future. And so I really
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need you to take a shower everyday. Because if something
happens to me, Mommy needs toknow that you're able to take a
shower, when you when you justtalk to them through like a
broader lens of why they justget up miraculously off the bat
and go do it. It's not Yeah. Soit there's a presence that we
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need to hold when we speak tothem. And if we want to be
respected, we have to respectthem. Like we can't just like
basically punch a kid a 10 yearold in the gut with our words,
and then expect him to respectus back. It does not work that
way.
Yeah, totally differentgenerations on Hold on.
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So Aaron, thank you so much forcoming today. This was this was
awesome. I love talking aboutEFT I could talk about it all
day. How can someone find you ifthey'd like to schedule an
appointment with you or knowmore about your work?
Sure. So I do this kind of as asecondary job now. My main job
(47:44):
is in the hospital. However, Iabsolutely love to teach people
about EFT and sometimes you needone on one appointments.
Sometimes you need multiple. Butyou can reach me via email.
Yeah, and my email is AaronTaylor 05 at gmail.com.
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Hey everyone. I'm Angel Amy.
And hi, I'm Lila.
Today we are having a littlechat with Dr. Aaron Taylor. And
she is an EFT tappingpractitioner. And we'd like to
welcome you miss Erin Gill.
Yeah. Thanks for being here. I'mexcited to be here.
(00:23):
So, today, I'm so excitedbecause I just love to tell them
a little bit of how a little bitabout you and how you became an
EFT practitioner. So Aaron isactually a doctorial prepared
RN. Is that how I say it? That'scorrect. Okay. And she is an RN
(00:44):
and has worked in the medicalcommunity for years for for a
long time, almost 25 years.
Yeah. And Aaron is someone thathas struggled with panic
disorder, in anxiety. And so shelearned about tapping so many
years ago, and decided that shewould bring this to the medical
(01:08):
community, because it helped herovercome her panic disorder, as
you will learn it helped me withmine. And the medical community
shut you down. Yeah,yeah. They they weren't
interested in having it broughtto the hospital.
Okay. Yeah. And so we're gonnalearn about why. Right? Yeah.
(01:30):
But then what happened is plottwist, everybody, plot twist,
Lila Aaron decides to become adoctor. She is a badass. She is
like, listen, everybody. If Ibecome a doctor, maybe they'll
they'll take me serious. Right,right. Yeah. And so she went
back to school, became a doctorsays, Hey, Angel, Amy, I have to
(01:53):
do a thesis. Can I use youroffice? And I was like, hell
yeah. This is a really goodcause. I believe in you.
Mazarin. And you did yourthesis, and it went really good.
And then you became a doctor.
And now Aaron speaks atsymposium in some symposiums and
nursing conferences in front ofhundreds of nurses. Yeah. 1000s
(02:21):
sometimes 1000s.
So that Disney everybody, I wentto Disney. That was that little
company called Disney. Aarontalks in front of people at
Disney. Yeah, that was fun. Soif you can't if you're listening
to this, and you think you can'tdo something, because Big Daddy
Big Momma big whoever corporateAmerica tells you know, there's
(02:45):
always a way Right.
Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, goingfrom panic disorder to speaking
in front of 1000s of people. Youknow, obviously, that EFT works
for me. So it worked for me too.
Yeah. So let's, let's start whatis EFT?
Okay, so EFT is an energymodality. And it is. If you
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think about all of the othercomplementary therapies, it's
kind of a combination ofacupressure, on the points that
we would use acupuncture,cognitive behavioral therapy,
regular talk therapy, orpsychotherapy and exposure
therapy. So what it is, is thatit basically theorizes that the
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cause of all negative problemsemotion, belief or thought is a
disruption in the body's energysystem. So as I know that people
can't see what I'm doing, but Ido it with my hands so I can
explain it. So as you tap youopen up your energy system and
you release whatever it is thatis causing that disruption,
whether it's a thought or it'san emotion or it's something
(03:53):
that happened to you when youwere younger or even last week
or a limiting belief a limitingbelief. Yeah, absolutely. And so
between that and you know, ithas some some combination of
Kinesiology as well so when I'mdoing EFT on people I do I use
muscle testing to figure outsome answers if they don't know
(04:15):
what that answer is.
Yeah, so Aaron uses kinesiologywhich we talked about in a
different episode. She'll,she'll test use your hands, I
usemy hand I use my fingers. Yeah.
And I get yes or no questionsanswered. And I'm basically
using the muscle energy of theclient to figure out whether or
not it's a yes or no.
(04:37):
And I use the angels. So Aaronand I are both EFT
practitioners. And this is why Iwanted to bring you on because I
thought it'd be so fun to heartwo different viewpoints, but
it's, you know, we both get tothe root of the problem. So
where Aaron does it throughkinesiology, I use my psychic
(04:58):
ability to get yeses and noes Tothe angels. Exactly.
So there's always different waysto do it.
Right. And we all need to staytrue to us as practitioners.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when you sowe just talked about, really
what EFT is? And why did youdecide to choose panic disorder
(05:21):
as your thesis? Was it becauseof your own story? Or?
Oh, yeah. So this is a littlebit long winded. So I suffered
with panic disorder. Since I was16 years old, I had my first
panic attack at my sweet 16party, right. And it came out of
nowhere, just like it does formost people. And it scared the
living daylights out of me. Andfrom 16. And on, I just I
(05:44):
suffered with panic disorder. Ihad tried medication, I had
tried therapy. But yet, Icontinued to go and I continued
to move on. And I continued toexcel at school. And you would
never know that I would be infront of you. And I would be
having a panic attack. And itwas it was the hardest thing to
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go through. So I had some, somepersonal I guess I had I had a
boss right into around2011 2012. And I had a really
bad experience with this person.
And my regular therapist wasn'tthere. She was on vacation. And
they said, Well, if you'rehaving an emergency call my my
(06:29):
counterpart, here's her number.
So I called and it was my friendEllen Epstein, who is an EFT
practitioner. So I had no, I hadnever met her. I didn't know
her. She said, Come and see metomorrow. So I went to see her.
And she said, Okay, I'm going todo this thing on you. And it's
going to be kind of weird, butI'm going to be tapping your
face in your head. And Ithought, first I thought,
(06:51):
where's my phone? And in case Iused to call the police, like,
what is this what we're going todo today, and she started to
tap. And all of a sudden, I've Ifelt relaxed, and my body
started to relax. And I left heroffice that day. And it was the
first time in years that Iactually felt better. Wow. And I
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went and saw her a few moretimes that week. And, you know,
so on and so forth. Itcompletely changed my life, my
plan a life changing my panic,completely dissipated. And, you
know, over months of goinglearning it myself, but I
thought this is this is what isthis magic, like? And why have I
(07:34):
not heard about it before. Andif this can work for me, at that
point, I was in my 30s. I was inmy early 30s. And I thought if I
could, this can work for meafter having all of these years
of panic and anxiety attacks. Iwant to share this with the
world. So I then went to becomea practitioner. And I became
(07:55):
level one certified, then Ibecame level two certified. And
at that point, I was a nurse andI said I need to get this into
hospitals. And I need to getthis into nursing schools. And I
need to teach this because thisis not only a therapy that
works, but it also workscomplementary with other with
other, you know, therapies. AndI said, I need to teach this to
the world. So as Amy said, Iwent to got my doctorate. I
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started to see clients, I did aresearch study. And it was
published in energy psychologyjournal, which was really
exciting. Yeah. Which is reallyexciting. And I just feel like
it's something that a lot ofpeople don't know about, or they
think it's you know, you don'thave to believe in it for it to
work. Right. It works, right.
Yeah. And what I love about it,too, is it's a self help tool.
(08:45):
So I also know Elena Epstein,and she's my mentor. And
basically, I met her out of theblue. But when I did meet her, I
had heard about tapping throughanother woman. And I had done
some tapping with her. And aftermy I'd say, second session, I
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was like, I can't believe howdifferent I feel in my body.
That I have to learn how to dothis and how to use it to help
other people same thing. But asI got more seasoned with it, I
start the real love for it waslike oh, people don't have to
(09:29):
always see me. I know thatsounds crazy like a
practitioner. But a big piece ofAngel Amy and I know you Aaron
feel the same way that we wantto empower people and we want to
empower people to be in theirown personal power. And as
healers we don't heal you. Weare the tour guide for you to
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heal yourself. So you canactually take tapping and do it
at home. Some things are nice tohave support, especially when
you tap on the elephant in theroom, right? You know that from
our own stories, right? Butlittle day to day things, you
could completely learn this anddo it at home
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100%. And that is the beauty ofit, you can do it anywhere you
can be in your car, you can bein the shower, the in, it's a
basic recipe, so it's alwaysgoing to be the same thing. I
don't know, you know, ourlisteners may or may not know
what it what it actuallyentails. When I say acupressure
or, or you take your twofingers, either hand, and you
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start with what we call thekarate chop. So you take, you
actually take all four fingers,and you start to tap on the
other side of your other hand,right. And that's going to be
your psychological reversal. Soif anything is going on with
your polarity in your body, thisreverses it back to normal. So
that's always the first part ofit, then we do is we take our
two fingers, and you tap the topof your head. It's very light
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pressure, six or seven taps,then the inner eye, your outer
eye. under your eye, you dounder your nose, under your
mouth, underneath thecollarbone. You get to your I
would say like your second rib,and then under Liqui abrasca.
Yeah, kind of like Yeah. Andthen underneath your armpit. And
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those are the points that weuse. And as you get further
along in EFT as an EFTpractitioner and you become a
master, you can start usingfinger fingers too, you can tap
the fingers. I don't typicallydo that just because I feel like
the basic recipe that we useworks anyways. Sometimes if
somebody is holding somethingthat's been traumatic for a very
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long time, I will go to thefingertips, I will go to the eye
rolls. That's another part ofEFT that we use when once you
get past level two. But I findthat the basic recipe works all
the time. Yeah, yeah. Solet's see if we can be a little
bit more specific, like when yousay that, that's what you're
tapping on. So give me a night.
So if I came to you, and I saidthat I was having panic attacks.
(12:08):
Tell me what that looks likewhen you say I'm tapping on
that.
So first, I would ask what whatit is right now. And we have to
use a scale. So just like if youwere at a hospital, and they
asked you what your pain levelis zero to 10. And what's called
a sub scale, and it's theintensity that you feel when
you're talking talking aboutthat emotion or the topic that's
(12:28):
bothering you. That's that'sholding that disruption in your
energy system. Zero is nothingand 10 is the worst intensity
that you can feel. So first ofall, ask, okay, let's talk about
your panic. What is it thatyou're afraid of? Are you afraid
of the symptoms? Are you afraidof? Are you afraid of having
another one? Right? So myresearch study wasn't the fear
of having the panic attack, thefear of the symptoms, it was the
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fear of having a recurring panicattack. And that's what sets a
lot of people off. Okay, so Iwould ask kind of a random
randomized questions about that,then we would just start, even
though I have this feeling ofdread, when I start to get
anxious, you have to then say, Ideeply, you know,
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and completely love andappreciate my exactly
right. Because the differencebetween tapping isn't we're not
we want to focus on what it isthat's causing that disruption,
right. So we don't want peopleto relive it, but we want them
to say to their body to theirenergy, okay, this is okay, it's
okay to get it out there to putit out there. We're going to
talk about it and we're going torelease it. So it's whatever
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that issue is. And you do thatthree times, then you go on to
each point, and you're going totap on whether it's a symptom,
this stomach pain, thissweating, this feeling of
nausea, and each point that youtap will bring something else
will bring, you know, the nextfeeling and the next feeling.
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And you usually go to rounds,then we stop or an image or you
may get an image, you may feelit in your stomach, you may feel
it in your chest memories arehuge. And then we'll stop after
two rounds. And we'll regroupWhat's your intensity level. And
Amy may say, Okay, now I'mthinking about the time where I
got an elevator and I had myfirst panic attack. So if some
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so things are coming up, thenwe're going to focus on that.
Alright, let's focus on that,that memory. What it What was it
about being in that elevatorthat bothered you? That's harder
to get you anxious? And, youknow, many times when when I
think of, if you came to me andsaid I have I have panic. It's a
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tabletop right? And then youhave all these legs, and many
times we're tapping and then andeach time we tap, a leg will go
away, then another leg thenanother like that. And sometimes
we can do one round of tappingand the whole table, the whole
table of issues goes away.
Like you want that table top todrop to the ground. Exactly,
yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so Ilove this because you can tap on
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anything. So it's not just forpanic or anxiety. We're focusing
on that today. But anything inyour life that you want to
change, you can tap on Yeah.
Whether it's something you needa physical ailment, a way that
you feel about yourself. HatingYour boss, hating your husband.
My kids talk back to me, right?
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Yeah, anything, anything,anything.
It's so neat the way it works.
It could be you know, I'm usedto to public speaking now. But
when I first had to speaking infront of large crowds, I would
tap on my way to there in thecar, even though I'm, I feel
this nervousness about speakingin front of all these people, I
deeply and completely appreciatelove myself, or whatever that
recipe is, that feels good foryou. And then I would just have
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and by the time I got there, Iwould feel better.
Yeah. Right. Use the tool to goteach about the tool.
Exactly. 100%.
Right. Yeah. Well, that, youknow, it works. Absolutely.
I think the other thing is, youknow, I was able, I was very,
very blessed to be able to teachthis at Regis College. I was, I
was an adjunct professor for thenursing program there. And there
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was a class complementary andalternative therapies in
nursing. And we were able toteach this modality in addition
to acupuncture, acupressure, youknow, Reiki yoga, so it's
getting out there. It's just not100% here yet. In Australia, the
professional athletes use itbefore football games.
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So I didn't know that I,as you know, Amy taught me
tapping. And I remember goingback I had a group of friends
all to triathlon, and I said,EFT and they all said, well,
haven't you seen people doingthat? They put their wetsuit on
and they start. I was like, No,I never even noticed. But that
was the first time that I hadseen it was that people were
getting ready to do an event.
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Yeah. And that's what they weredoing to prepare for July
was done to Ironman you hadshe's also about us. That's
yeah, yeah. So that was ourwhole thing is tapping on a
physical ailment. Before a bigrace? Yeah, yeah. Right.
Yeah, definitely. And it helps.
like Amy said, it works for I'vehad clients with panic. I've had
clients with PTSD. I've hadveterans. I've had people who
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wanted weight loss. I've hadsomebody who had tennis elbow,
I've had tons of kids. I've hadpeople who have had aversions to
needles and vaccines. I mean, itworks for everything. And some
people say to me, Well, does itwork for cancer? Well, it
doesn't work for cancer, but itwill work for the nausea that
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you may feel from thechemotherapy. So there are
things that there's ways around,you know, if somebody has an
ailment, I will always find away that we can make them feel
better.
Exactly. Or it may create spaceinside your energetic body,
where you then manifest or bringtowards you. The the cure or the
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fix or something healing, or thethe healing path. For your
disease. Yeah, it can createspace, right? Yeah. So I tell
people that too. Now, let's talkabout this. Lila knows. You're
gonna see why we're laughing.
Lila knows that my tapping theangels 100% take people into the
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inner child. Line, his leastfavorite word is inner child.
My, the basis of my tapping workis all inner child. So how far
into the inner child do you go?
I don't that you affirm to me.
I do. Yeah. I mean, sometimes wedo. Sometimes we have to go all
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the way back. But I if if it'ssomething that is their inner
child, or something thathappened in a previous lifetime,
right, I send them to you.
Yep. So I want to talk a littlebit about this because it's two
different paths that are superhelpful. And it just depends on
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looking at the person andknowing that their recipe needs
something else. So I've referredpeople to Aaron. So anyone that
is maybe willing to go to lookbackwards and go into the inner
child, like I'm your girl, we'regonna go in and we're gonna
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connect the 567 year old youwith like, say the 40 year old
you anyone that doesn't reallynecessarily love processing, or
wants to try this, but wants tostay in the current timeframe.
Have you Erin is amazing, right?
And so there's no right orwrong. It's just that everyone
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needs something different. Anddifferent practitioners offer
different skill set right orhave different skill sets.
I always think about the timewhen I first met you and Amy
said, everybody has intuition.
It's just like any other kind ofexercise, the more you practice,
the more you get better at it.
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And the more I've became good,really good at becoming an EFT
practitioner, I started to getintuitive with clients. And I
would, they would be tapping onsomething and it would take them
back to their childhood. And Iwould I could all of a sudden, I
could see, tell me, whathappened to you when you were 12
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years old, and you're on a swingin the backyard with that big
rock next to it. It's like, allof a sudden, you see, and you
can feel their energy because weare all energy. And so no matter
what, when you're doing this,memories will come up. But the
more you do it, whether you doit to yourself or for somebody
else, you become more intuitive,because everybody has that gift.
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Amy is just, you know, more of abadass.
So yeah, the more you it's likea muscle and the more you use
it, the more the clearer itbecomes. Yeah, right. So yeah.
So I wanted to kind of likebridge the two things together.
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So I have a question for youthen. Yeah, because I know that
my tapping is very much by thebook. So we use the basic recipe
and we use the I use EFT thatGary Craig created. So EFT
you're gonna go into this? Yeah.
Okay. So EFT has been aroundforever. Okay. The first, I
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guess I should say, Dr. RogerCallahan was it was a physician
who learned about energy throughkinesiology and acupressure
pressure and acupuncture. And hekind of put together what he
called TFT thought fieldtherapy. And what he did was he
would test and researchpatients, and he would figure
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out that if you had a stomachissue, the tapping point would
be underneath your eye. So eachtapping point corresponded with
an issue, whether it wasnervousness, whether it was
pain, whether it was nausea,okay. And you had to really
memorize, remember, which pointdid did what, he charged a lot
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of money to learn TFT. And thenGary Craig, he came in the 90s.
And he said, I'm gonna, I wantto learn all about this. So he
did, but he took TFT. And hemade it EFT, where he took all
of the points and said, If youtap on every point, you're going
to get whatever ailment that is,and you're not going to have to
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worry about remembering stomachto under the eye, you know, pain
under the nose. And he, like us,realized the magic of it, and
said, I want to teach everybodyabout it. And he taught the
world and there's videos on him.
There's practice DVDs, I haveeverything. And that's kind of
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how I learned about it wasthrough Gary Craig. And then I
took a course a gentleman fromACP association of comprehensive
energy psychology came toMarblehead from England. And we
did a five day training sessionon EFT it was eight hours a day
for five days. Yeah, it wascrazy. It was awesome, though.
And that's how I learned. Butwhere was I going with us?
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You're gonna ask me a question.
So I learned the book way,right. basic recipe, you say the
same thing. So you tap on thepoint? Everything, the only
thing that changes is yourmemories or what you're feeling
at the time. Amy? taps on thepoints, but you use angels to
guide you.
i? i Yes, I say what the angelshave me say. So it's a lot of
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feeling. It's a lot of knowing.
So in psychic one on one,there's the seas. And one of the
Seas is clairsentience. InClairsentience is knowing in so
the first place I go with aclient that I'm tapping with is
into that, that energy stream ofjust knowing. And so I take
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light notes, I listen. And thenI begin the session where we go
through the tapping points withthe angels guiding it so it
looks like I'm doing it but it'snot really me. Gotcha. It's the
angels. Right. So I I talk 1000sof tapping clients with no
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certification. And then I saidthis is kind of like I get I'd
never go get certified. So I, Itested out of EFT one. I passed
like the test without everlooking at the book because I
had already had the experience.
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Yeah. And then I went into EFTtoo. And it was, I think it was
eight hours for three days. Itwas like a weekend. And I got
kicked out on the last day. ButI got my certification. I pissed
the instructors off. No, yeah, Itriggered it was a man and a
woman. And I triggered thefemale. What did you say?
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Teacher? It's not what I said.
Sometimes, there's a presence, Ithink that I have that can
create, bring up people stuff.
And in the class, there weresome students that were asking
me questions, and they reallyand I was answering them. And
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because that's what a trueteacher does, right? Even though
I know my place in theclassroom. And when they were
talking, I would sit there andlisten and take notes and do you
know, be a student. But then Ithink she started to figure out
that the the other students weretaking a likeability to me, they
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wanted to team up with me torelease their stuff, because we
would practice on each other.
When I did it. 100%. And thisone woman came back the next
day, and she's like, I don'teven feel like the same person.
And she was crying and thankingme. So it you know, when some
people can handle that, in somepeople can't. And unfortunately,
I was in I attracted that Iattracted a female teacher, that
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whether we call her threatened,jealous, you know, her stuff
came up, and I got removed. AndI I said to her, when she kicked
me out, I said, basically, likey'all learning from me. So all
this anger, this is hilarious tome. I wasn't rude to her. I just
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looked at her lovingly and said,I'm actually getting your
triggered. And this is whatyou're in there teaching all
these people, all thesestudents, and now you're back,
you're kicking me out. I said,you know, maybe go back in there
and tap it all out with them.
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Like, I don't know if I'm makingsense.
Her her. Her ego got in the way,right. She needs to, she
probably needs to work on.
I never in a million yearsthought I would tell the story
on this podcast, but I just did.
Yeah, it's okay. It's okay. Igot kicked out of Level Two I
got I made sure she was gonnagive me my certification.
Because I said, I'm not leaving,unless you're gonna give that to
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me. Because you know that I'mqualified. And she in she says,
I'm gonna give it to you to getrid of you. Whereas our words,
Amy Yeah. And I took that classwith two other people, you know,
and they witnessed it. Oh, yeah,I know. I know you do. I know
you're doingthis is when you say you're
you're tough. You're tough man.
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Yeah,it's not. So I didn't study it.
But I took the class to get thecertification. Right. Right. So
I love EFT it is life changing.
Did I did we even answer yourquestion? Yeah.
No, 100%?
Yeah, I got kicked out of class.
So after that, I've taken nospiritual classes, no energy
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ever. That was really what I wassupposed to get out of it.
We were just you just needed toget the piece of paper that
said, You knew I just wantedthe piece of paper. So when I
work with like, 10 year olds,and their parents are like, are
you certified in this way? Yes,I am. Right.
And that's important for forparents. And the tough thing is
working. When you're workingwith the kids, I always have the
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parents come to the session sothey can understand because
they're probably like how I waslike, Who's this crazy woman
tapping on my kid's head? Yeah.
But I think it's important tohave those credentials. You need
to have the credentials. Yeah.
Unfortunately, you have to havethe credentials for people to
take you seriously. But on thesame vein, you don't have to
believe in EFT for it to work.
It's going to work no matterwhat. And I can tell you an
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example about that. So I had afriend I call her my friend who
didn't believe in it. She saidthis is this is no this is this
is the devil work it hocuspocus. Yeah, this isn't right.
This is this is devils where itsays the devil. I said, Okay,
I'm going to I'm going to dothis with you. And we're going
to do it very light. So I wantyou to think of a movie that
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bothers you think of a movie andsomething that gives you some
intensity in your in your body.
There said okay, I have themovie. And I said, Okay, I said
What is it she said is theshining with Jack Nicholson. I
said, Okay, let's, let's findthe part of the movie that
really bothers you. She said,Oh, it's when he sticks his head
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through the door and he sayshere is Johnny. She said it
gives me a stomachache. Istarted to get nauseous. I said
okay, We're gonna tap on that.
So we're tapping, simple. Startwith the karate chop, even
though I get a stomachache whenI see the part in the movie,
where Jack Nicholson says hereis Donnie, I deeply and
completely accept myself shedoesn't, she didn't want to say
love and accept myself, she justwanted to say except myself
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fine, three times around, eventhough this part of the movie
bothers me, when Jack Nicholsonsticks his head, head through
the door, I deeply andcompletely accept myself. So
then we, you know, started withthe tapping this part of the
movie, sticking your headthrough the door, Jack
Nicholson, scary acts, whateverit is these words. And all of a
sudden, she's startled, shelooked at me and she started to
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cry. And I go, what's, what'sgoing on? Tell me what's going
on. And she said, I know, thisis a 60 plus year old woman. And
she said, I just had a thoughtand a memory of something that I
haven't thought of in years. Andshe said, I lived above my
grandparents, who came fromItaly. And they didn't speak
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English. And every day, myparents would make me go
downstairs to open the door tosee my grandparents, and say,
Good morning. And mygrandfather, who I loved, I
always was startled, because hewould always be there, behind
the door, looking out thewindow. And even though I loved
him, I was always scared when Isaw him, his Johnny. And she
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said, in that part of the moviereminded me of that feeling that
I got when I would open thedoor, and he would be right
there. And so then we just wekept, you know, we did another
session of the tapping.
So we call that a trigger,everybody. Yes, that is
a trigger. And after we finish,she said, Oh, my God, I feel so
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so much better. And a few Idon't know, few weeks, a few
months later, I asked her whatshe did she see the movie, and
she said, doesn't even bother meanymore. So that Eve, so even
though it was a good, goodmemory, right? It doesn't have
to be a bad memory. It's amemory nonetheless. Because our
limbic system is the part of ourbrain that holds flags, right,
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our amygdala holds flags. Andwhether it's a good or a bad
memory, it's a sight, a visual,a smell, your, your brain, that
part of your brain protectsyourself. And so every time
something that reminds you ofthat first time that that flag
went up, comes into your world,the flag raises again. And
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depending on whether it was agood or a bad experience, you
will continue to feel that andthat's the disruption in your
energy system unless you clearit. So you go to your
grandmother's house, and yousmell chocolate chip cookies,
every time you sell chocolatechip cookies, you think of your
grandmother, right? It's awonderful trigger. But maybe
something happens where it's notsuch a great trigger. But
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nonetheless, your body isremembering. So we have to clear
that energy, we have to clearthat
I have cleared so many of mytriggers. So many I actually
have to sit and think what mytriggers are now? I'm not sure.
I did. The Personal PeaceProcedure. Oh, yeah, tell people
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what that is, have you heard ofthis Lila, Have I ever told you.
So the Personal Peace Procedureis a tapping procedure, where
you would get a notebook, andyou would write down the top
five memories in which you feelunsafe. So you anything that is
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a trigger of feeling likefearful or I'm not going to be
okay, right. And thenunderneath, you put an age with
each memory. And you want tonumber them from the earliest to
the oldest, the youngest to theoldest. And then you put every
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emotion you feel when you thinkabout each memory, in you rate,
every single emotion on a scaleof zero to 10, with 10 being the
highest. If anyone wants thesedirections, I will email them to
you. Okay. So then what you dois you basically start with the
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first memory mine when I waswhen I was three years old. And
you tap through all the tappingpoints your memory, so you say
you basically would need tolearn the tapping points, but
you say something about thememory on each point. And then
you start to move into thefeeling. And you You stay with
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that feeling for a good, youknow, few couple of minutes
while you're feeling it. Andthen you basically tell yourself
that you're releasing it in youknow, you let it go. And then at
the end when you feel likeyou're done, you would run rate,
that one emotion with that onememory. And then you do three
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rounds of positive, positivetapping, we call it or truth
tapping, right? And then youbasically, you would wait. I did
this every other day, for 16weeks. And until I got through
all five memories with everysingle emotion down to a zero or
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a one, most people don't stickwith it. I was relentless. I'd
sit on my bed, my I was at myrock bottom, I was in dark night
of the soul. And that's when youfeel really depressed and your
life isn't going great. And so Idid this for at least 16 weeks,
and it completely changed mylife. It took about, I'd say,
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eight 910 weeks for my life tostart to change. And when you
manifest the positive, you canput things that you want need
desire, wish for. And all thosethings have come true for me.
Absolutely. I'm sure youprobably talked about this on
your other podcasts about sayingwhat you want out to the
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universe, you have to say Notreally. Are you happy? Oh, no.
But yeah, we need to people needto hear Yeah.
So Amy, so Amy, you just saidyou manifested you manifested
what you wanted. And I feel likeI have gotten to where I am
professionally. You know,emotionally, in the relationship
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that I want to because I havemanifested it. And when I say
manifest it, you think of whatyou want. But you also say it,
you say it out loud, you say itout loud, so that the universe
can hear it, you say it outloud, so that your body and your
energy can hear it. And it willit will come to you. It may not
be tomorrow. It may not be in ayear. But time is not linear.
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And, you know, I know it's alittle cliche, but things happen
when they're they are supposedto happen. And I think back on
my life where I was 10 yearsago, 15 years ago. And if I if
you were going to tell me that Iyou know, don't have panic
anymore, that I can drive crosscountry by myself that I can
speak in front of 1000s ofpeople that I have the dream job
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that I've always wanted that ourfriend Elon told me 15 years ago
I was gonna have, I would havetold you you were crazy. But you
do you have to say it, say it,say it, yell it, whatever. If
you don't want to do it in frontof people do it in your bedroom.
I love that. But to say itbecause it will come through it
will happen. That's the power ofpositivity.
I think it's great to do it.
When you get in the car alone.
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You just sit down, you plug inyour seat belt, and then you say
it out loud, and then you startto drive.
Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah.
What do you think about that?
Yeah.
I'm very much a person. I thinkthat, you know, there's a flip
side to positivity that I thinkgets sort of mixed up with it.
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And I think that sometimespeople feel like then they can't
have any negative emotions orthoughts about situations that
are happening to them. Andpeople get caught up in, like,
oh, well, if I think and I'mgonna bring it upon myself, or I
caused this What have I done tocause these, you know,
situational things? Because aswe know, you know, sometimes,
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you know, shit just have toabsolutely, yeah, so I think
that it's always there alwayshas to be room in there to say
to people like you don't have tofeel great about that, because
that is a shitty situation. Soand it's not going to make it
worse. If you acknowledge thatit's a shitty situation, right?
But, but this Yeah, and this isjust something to do on a good
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day. Yeah. When you just getedia going to the beach and you
just say I am a millionaire.
Right?
Or so like the big thing. Idon't know if either of you on
Tik Tok, but the big thing ismanifesting and then material
items, right? Like for me? Yeah,I don't even know how to use
that. Like,I'm gonna manifest a Lamborghini
or whatever, which I think is,you know, I mean, it's fine. You
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can go ahead and do it, but itprobably kind of misses the
point. Right. Some of theintention behind manifesting.
Yeah, sort of things. ButI will say though, I think that
everything that happens to you,even at your worst, and even at
your rock bottom, what you willeventually figure out why, why
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it happened. I think, at leastfor me, I had some, you know,
really, really bad experiences.
And I look back and I'm like,oh, that's why that happened. I
would never be where I am rightnow. I would never have the
strength that I have right now.
If that didn't happen to me. Ithink it's a it is a blessing,
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but but at the time, it's theworst thing that could it's the
worst Not gonna happen to you,right? I mean, I will tell you
when I was younger, I wascovered from head to toe with
psoriasis covered, you wouldnever know now because I walk
around sleeveless and she, youknow, who are just bikini and
everything else. And I thinkabout the years that I had to
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wear a cover up in that I didn'twear shorts, or I was always
covered in the summertime. And Iwould wouldn't go to pool
parties. And I remember thosebanana clips that you had to
wear in your hair, I couldn'twear them because I had it all
on my scalp. And for years andyears and years. And then I
thought, well, we finally founda medication that worked and,
and I think about it, I neversay the word because I was
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afraid it was gonna come back.
And I never wanted to talk aboutit, because I thought it was
going to come back. And now Ican talk about it. But I also
know that that made me strong,very, very much stronger, having
that going through it, which Iknow it's just a skin condition.
And people have a lot worse thanme. But there's always a silver
lining to everything thathappens.
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Absolutely. And that's why wecome here, where souls having a
human experience spirits, havinga human experience, in the only
way that you can uplift yourvibration, is to work through
your staff, right, and to movethrough it and to make
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connections get on the otherside of it, then it ages your
soul a little more, and you getmore access to all the higher
realms in heaven or on the otherside. So that's really why we
come here. So it's not I seeLila is take is when you're in
it. It's hard. Yeah. You justsaid that, too. It's really
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hard. And I've been there. Ithink that deep down inside,
even the worst moment there islike a flame or a desire or a
knowing that you can movethrough anything. And it's just
like, I guess listening to that.
And then that's why we becamepractitioners. We're, you know,
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to share this and to help peoplemove through their struggles.
Yeah, right. To also, I guessthe reason why I talk about
everything so much now isbecause everybody has something,
everybody. And even if somebodylooks like they have it all they
don't know, and the fact that wecan share, EFT and we can share
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healing and we can share thingsthat worked for us. That's
that's the way that it shouldbe. And especially in this day
and age COVID has made everybodycrazy, the world has gone nuts.
Our kids are struggling, myyoungest doesn't see his
friends, because he's used tobeing on this computer all the
time. And it makes me crazy. AndI think, okay, so what does this
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mean? So now, how are we goingto work with these kids to get
them back into society? Right?
Or? Or do we even need to is theworld going to be all computers
and zoom? I mean, the fact thatwere a person together here, as
is awesome, it's lovely. Buteven even now, at work, most of
our meetings are via zoom. Imean, I don't know, what do you
guys think about that? Well,I think as we get more
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disconnected, we're gonna getconnected. So as technology, you
know, ramps up the where, ashumans really all have a deep
desire for connection. So it'sseeking out those social moments
or finding your community thatyou you know, find your people,
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and everyone needs to find theirpeople. And that's the whole
thing is we, as moms and dadsneed to support our children and
just finding the people thatthey feel comfortable connecting
to. Right. Yeah. So you and Iare on a big path with with kids
right now, in helping Gen Z Yes.
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And I just feel really devotedto support the parents that are
raising the changemakers. Andthere is a really unique
parenting style with raising GenZ and alpha. And so they want to
be treated as equals. And Ialways say that the dictatorship
(44:22):
does just it doesn't work withthem. It's it's not the way to
go. So, you know, we need tothink of them as how would they
feel. So when we play it out, orask them to do something or
deliver information to them,really delivering it from from
empathy on how these kids feel?
And then they listen, it's likemagical.
(44:45):
So let me ask you this becausethis is something that you are
passionate about, and you know,a lot more than I do. Most of
the Gen Z have Gen X parentsmost Yeah, but not all some have
millennial Yep.
Are there any baby boomers?
Some, some, some have?
It can go either way. So Gen Zis basically like we'll say it
(45:10):
like eight 910 to 25.
Oh, it goes all the way up to25. Okay. And do you find that
when you're working with them?
It's, it's dependent on thegeneration that their parents
were born into?
I think that the that thegeneration, I'm seeing a trend
(45:31):
with the generation that'sraising the Gen Z, and relating
it with with the issues that I'mseeing. Yes. Yes. So baby
boomers tend to because thatthose were our parents. Right.
Did you have baby boomer parentsLila? So baby boomer parents
(45:52):
tend to pair parent throughdictatorship like cars in, you
know, cause and result? Like,either you do this? Or there's
going to be a result? Yes.
Right. Yes. And fear and blameand shame. And I love my baby
boomer parents, everybody. I do.
(46:14):
But the the blame and shame doesnot work with Gen Z at all. They
will they they will lose respectfor you. They will not listen.
But if you say to them, youknow, I'm not here to ruin your
life. But I'm preparing you foryour future. And so I really
(46:35):
need you to take a shower everyday. Because if something
happens to me, Mommy needs toknow that you're able to take a
shower, when you when you justtalk to them through like a
broader lens of why they justget up miraculously off the bat
and go do it. It's not Yeah. Soit there's a presence that we
(46:57):
need to hold when we speak tothem. And if we want to be
respected, we have to respectthem. Like we can't just like
basically punch a kid a 10 yearold in the gut with our words,
and then expect him to respectus back. It does not work that
way.
Yeah, totally differentgenerations on Hold on.
(47:21):
So Aaron, thank you so much forcoming today. This was this was
awesome. I love talking aboutEFT I could talk about it all
day. How can someone find you ifthey'd like to schedule an
appointment with you or knowmore about your work?
Sure. So I do this kind of as asecondary job now. My main job
(47:44):
is in the hospital. However, Iabsolutely love to teach people
about EFT and sometimes you needone on one appointments.
Sometimes you need multiple. Butyou can reach me via email.
Yeah, and my email is AaronTaylor 05 at gmail.com.
(48:04):
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