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We tackle the critical battle against early-season weeds and their impact on maximizing yield, emphasizing the importance of weed management. This episode features Brent Wiersma, BASF Business Representative, as we discuss winter annuals and other early-season weeds, sharing effective strategies for control in no-till and minimum-tillage systems. Learn how the right tactics, tools, and timing can keep fields clean and crops thriving.

• Identifying the most challenging early-season weeds
 • Discussing the importance of weed management in no-till and minimum-till systems
 • Exploring effective control tactics for winter annuals and other problem weeds
 • Understanding the role of timing in successful weed suppression
 • Addressing herbicide resistance and integrated weed management
 • Encouragement for proactive weed control to protect max yield potential

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Spilling the Beans, the podcast that
spills the secrets to unlockingyour soybean farm's full
potential.
Every Tuesday, your hosts, billBackus and Jeff Mueller, dive
into expert strategies andinnovative solutions that will
help you boost your yields andmaximize your returns.
Whether you're a seasonedgrower or new to soybean farming
, we're here to help you succeed.
Let's get started.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello and welcome to another episode of Spilling the
Beans.
I'm Jeff Mueller.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
And I'm Bill Backus.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
And thanks again for joining us as we dive into the
world of soybeans, coveringvarious topics and providing
insights to the soybean industry.
Bill, thanks for joining metoday.
How are you doing over there inIowa?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Absolutely doing great, Jeff.
We're getting ready forplanting.
It's right around the corner,yeah it's hard to believe that.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
You know, it's hard to believe.
You know, just a couple weeksago, or it's a little longer
than that, about almost a monthago, we were at Kamadi Classic
in Denver and you know, thinkabout the weather we've had here
in this time frame of March.
You know 70, almost 80 degreesin the second week of March, you
know, and then going down alittle bit and then we're back

(01:09):
up in the middle of March.
You know, 70 degrees, and youknow it really lends into a lot
of the topic we're talking abouttoday.
And what I'm meaning by that is,you know we're talking about,
we're going to talk about theimportance of weed management
today, but more so we're goingto focus on how, like annuals
and other early season weeds youknow we want to talk about.
You know, while we're sharingeffective strategies we can do

(01:32):
from a no-till, minimum till orfull-till system we're going
with, and when we have thesekinds of marches, although we've
missed some of the moistures,you know it's ideal and you know
been seeing a lot of winterannuals coming up in these
fields and we know they suckmoisture out of these fields and
and they do a lot of that.

(01:52):
So we're going to have a niceconversation on that today.
Any thoughts from your part ofthat?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, no, I mean it's been a lot of things going on
there If we kind of think about.
You know really what's going onafter the past.
You know even several decadesright, that we've had people
kind of shifting over to ano-till system and kind of get
away from full-width tillage.
You know, I kind of go to ourfamily farm and what we've done

(02:17):
there we started the very early80s I think it was 80, 81,
basically shifted over to an allno-till system, you know, from
complete tillage to.
You know we ran the cultivatorprobably three times through
that, those fields you knowcultivating the corn and kind of
getting all that kind ofthought through, and just a lot
of things have shifted as youthink about the weed spectrum

(02:39):
and kind of how we've shiftedback and forth.
So how about you Anythingyou've seen basically over your
tenure I guess, from what you'veseen in shifting and weeds and
tillage systems and things likethat?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Well, it's like I tell everybody every year Mother
Nature's undefeated.
No matter what we do, she canalways, she's always going to
win.
And you know, if you thinkabout it, you know we've really
had this transition over thelast several decades really, of
this transferring over from thattillage operation to no-till or
minimum till or strip-till.

(03:12):
You know some of the things wedo over here and if you think
about it, you know I also jokewith a lot of individuals too.
You know I said, you know youneed to cultivate your corn.
And they said, well, yeah, weshould probably run a cultivator
.
And the first thing I say iswe'll get your chainsaw started.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
And they said what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I said you got to cut the trees out in between that
are growing in between thatcultivator because it hasn't
moved so long.
So you know, if you think aboutit, many operations have
shifted over to this from fulltillage to a minimum till or no
till.
And again we're doing some ofthat shift for some moisture
conservation and for some weedcontrol.
But again, as mother naturebeing undefeated, we've seen

(03:47):
these weeds do shift and youknow they're battling, they're
getting harder to control andyou know the shift has created
more difficult challenges whenwe're dealing with that early
season weed management and cornand soybean production.
And I know they think sometimesit doesn't.
But those early season weeds,those annuals that come in early
, you know, when we're planting,right before we're planting or
at planting time, those can havean effect on yield.

(04:08):
So really we need to and theyhelp make that seed bank.
So we really need to startstart being proactive with with
I don't know if you want to sayit with burndowns or getting
pre's out there, cause if youwant to be clean when you start
planting corner beans, that'sjust going to give you your best
chance to kill the weeds lateron in post.
So you know you always got astory time for me.

(04:29):
Bill, you got any thoughts onthat, or kind of yeah, yeah,
yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, a couple of things.
So, yeah, I mentioned earlier,you know you think about, you
know families have shifted overto full.
You know no-till systems,especially in a lot of the
western part of the states andyou get more west right.
You guys have a fair amount ofdifferent types of tillage in
Nebraska as well and you need tothink about, you know, some
full-width tillage being a bigpart of that tool, if you will,
to control weeds and geteverything kind of put together.

(04:55):
But you know we've done thatfor years and definitely seen a
shift right.
So I do a lot of work with IowaState University here in
Southwest Iowa, you know, andone of our major weeds that we
have there is actually themulberry tree right.
So, because they are out thereand we haven't done anything.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, can we control that?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Not so easily.
But you think about what we'vedone there.
We've allowed that soil tobasically just continue to
develop itself, but it alsoallows certain weeds to change
that spectrum of what we'rebattling right.
So then another one I do, I'llmention there, with Iowa State
and Southwest Iowa we do a lotof data planning trials.
So we've been planting beans.
You know, earlier and earlierand earlier We've talked in many

(05:33):
episodes.
So what we're also asking youknow for herbicides is to extend
that control and get longerresidual to try and control
those before we go to ourpost-application.
So you know, data planning isanother management tactic that
we've talked in our G by, e by Myield triangle and we've put
all that together and definitelythis is one piece of that.
So you know, today we do have aspecial guest.

(05:55):
You know he's got vastexperience in the industry.
He's widely regarded as anexpert, you know, by retailers
and growers alike, you know,with his excellent weed control
recommendations.
So I'd like to introduce BrentWiersma.
Brent is a native of Minnesota.
He currently works as abusiness rep covering western
Iowa for BASF.
He's been with BASF for 16years.
Prior to BASF, brent heldvarious marketing roles with

(06:22):
Meredith Corporation, sales andmarketing with Ag Reliance.
Wolf Farm served as a cropconsultant with American Prairie
and as a sales agronomist withGold Country Seeds.
So Brent has a BS in agronomyfrom University of Minnesota and
an MBA from Iowa State,currently working on his MS in
agronomy from Iowa State.
So, brent, welcome.
That's a mouthful, a lot ofgood stuff you've been doing
over the years, so great work.
And we'll kind of turn it overto Jeff for the first question

(06:43):
here.
So welcome, brett, hey, welcome, thanks, pat.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, thanks for joining us, Brett.
So I've got a question for you.
You know, to get on soybeans,most farmers you know they
rotate or they plant the corn,and we know corn is king in Iowa
and it's king in Nebraskadefinitely.
And we know there's going to besome challenges this year with
some markets or whatever, andthey're, you know, talking a few
acres down and soybeans versuscorn.

(07:06):
So we've got some corn on corn,but you know.
So what are some of the mainweeds that are causing let's
kind of make this a multi-pointwhat are some of the main weeds
that are causing concerns in ourscenario with early planning?
You know no till, minimum till,you know, in corn and and what
are and what makes them sochallenging to control.
Why do we have issues or why dowe struggle with some control

(07:31):
that we see in some of thosecases?
Right, right.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Well, hey you guys.
Topic today, right, I mean Iwould say long-term.
This benefit of like a no-tillcropping system is, you know,
tremendous, right.
Water infiltration fits oursoil types in many, many cases.
But you know what along comeswith that system is we get weed

(07:58):
development.
That happens.
Often our problems are the onesthat germinated last fall.
Often our problems are the onesthat germinated last fall.
So we get these winter annualweeds right, things like
marestail, henbit, pennycress,shepherd's purse.
We'll even get some winterannual grasses like downy brome,
foxtail, barley, little barley,and those are the weeds that

(08:20):
started last August andSeptember.
They get a foothold they'rebuilding in this no-till system.
And then, of course, theirwinter annuals.
So it can be 20 below zero inJanuary and they're still fine
and they survive through thewinter.
And then, I think, as you guysare referencing earlier, boy,
when you get some warm temps,then, like in February or March,

(08:43):
they are off to the races.
And then the challenge isthey're often well ahead of our
crop and they're doing thedamage from competition.
And I'll even cite a littledata here, jeff, I've got some
University of Nebraska data thatI've relied on heavily for
multiple years, and this goesback, and I'll just heavily for

(09:05):
multiple years.
And this goes back and I'lljust I'll go real quick on this
one.
This was work that was done 07through 2011, and they looked at
corn and soybean no-tillsystems with a decent amount of
pressure and they were lookingat when do we have to remove
weed competition to not see ayield impact?
So, quite simply, here's kindof the scenario and we kind of

(09:29):
go into this thing like, okay,can we burn down a couple weeks
ahead of planting, or a weekahead?
Or let's just say, what if wewere to burn down at planting?
Right, and I think, bill, youreferenced gosh we're planting
earlier and earlier.
You know the challenge is weoften don't even get a chance to
get out there and spray beforewe're planting earlier and
earlier.
You know the challenge is weoften don't even get a chance to
get out there and spray beforewe're actually planting.
But reality is and here's thequick one so in five out of

(09:55):
their six site years on corn andalso five out of their six site
years on soybeans, theyexperience a yield loss of 5% or
greater when they burn downno-till weeds at planting 5%.
So you can start doing thequick math, right.
What's the average yield lossof 5% on 200 and some odd times

(10:16):
market price Substantial.
Right Now, the only time theycould get zero yield impact in
both systems was to do theburndown at least two weeks
ahead of planting.
And you guys probably knowright now you're like OK, the
odds of doing that and that youknow, and we may not spend a ton

(10:37):
of time on that today, but whenwe're going out early and
planting early, there's nothingbetter than actually making that
application last fall you knowa fall applied herbicide.
Now, if you haven't done, thatthe ship sailed and we got to
figure out what we're going todo here this spring.
But a fall applied system is,you know, removing those and hey
, we got products that fit intothat really well, and we'll talk

(10:58):
a little bit about some of thespring burndown ones.
But yeah, reality hits and theyield impact it comes a little
bit from competition.
But even that University ofNebraska study looked at was it
moisture stress or what reallyled to that?
And actually it was not.
It was not stealing moisture.
The biggest detriment wassequestering nutrients and that,

(11:23):
burned down at time of planting, had an average N nitrogen
sequestering of 20 to 27 pounds.
That was burning down at thetime of planting.
And the rotten thing aboutthese weeds is not only do they
sequester N, p and K, they holdit, they don't give it back to

(11:44):
that year's crop.
So it's the double whammy.
It'd be like telling the growerhey, tell you what I'm going to
charge you for 25 pounds ofnitrogen, but we're going to
keep it in the shed.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
It wouldn't go over well, would it?

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, that's not going to go over well.
So yeah, brent, that's a lot toprocess in a short amount of
time.
A lot of great stuff there.
So, you know, you think aboutall the weeds that you just kind
of riled off.
So let's just kind of sum thisup a little bit.
So what are some bestmanagement practices really to
control those?
And we'll focus on corn here.
So tactics, tools, timings youkind of mentioned some fall

(12:18):
burndown, different things likethat.
So let's get a little moregranular, a little more specific
here as we go forward.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yep, yep.
So and you can hit on and afall application is pretty
simple.
I'll hit that one really quick.
A couple of my favorites.
We've got a product calledDistinct.
We'll, you know, tank mix itwith 2,4-D.
You can even do the same thingwith a clarity with 2,4-D.
Those systems really great on,or that type of mix, really
great on, broadleaves, right.
So the marestail, henbit,pantycrush, chickweed,

(12:45):
shepherd's purse.
If you don't have any winterannual grass, people love to
often keep glyphosate out of themix and then they'll spray off
the edges over terraces.
You know, they'll really cleanup the field.
If you have winter annualgrasses downy, brome, foxtail,
barley, carolina, foxtail hey,you're going to need glyphosate
in there, you know.
And then you're going to becareful on the brome

(13:06):
applications around the edge.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
But man, that is like works so good.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Now I will say, as you move a little farther south,
you know I get into NorthwestMissouri.
Those are places where weactually do need a little
stronger residual in a winter ina fall application.
So then people will grab simplethings.
You know Princep canopy, youknow low cost fall by.

(13:32):
But most university weedscientists will say deal with
the population that's there Ifyou can remove it in the fall.
You know, in Iowa and most ofNebraska and no-till country,
we'll plant clean.
You know Now, when we get tothe spring, what's fascinating?
That exact same mix of those twogrowth regulators.

(13:53):
In the spring they willactually struggle with several
of the weeds that we have.
That's where we'll bring inthings like a kick-sore-based
chemistry, like a Verdict, aSharpen, a head of soybeans, a
Zidua Pro you know, ahead ofsoybeans, a Zidua Pro.

(14:16):
So interesting, like it'sfairly easy to control henbit or
chickweed in the fall, butgrowth regulators in the spring
struggle mightily, matter offact, complete swing and miss.
So it's important that we'rebringing in a chemistry like a
kick shore base, matter of fact,a henbit population really
benefits from using, if allthings glyphosate in the spring,

(14:36):
and then even a triazine, likebringing in an atrazine or a
metribuzin ahead of soybeans.
So there are some nuances onthose populations, you know.
Moral of the story becomes inthe spring, all of those winter
annuals.
They're trying to grow up, theyare not translocating to their

(14:58):
root zone.
So you can, you know, get asingle mode of action chemistry
on them and oftentimes they canslough that off because they're
just not translocating.
They're putting all of thestored root nutrient into top
growth and marestail is theabsolute best at doing that.
Matter of fact, they even havesome mechanisms that take

(15:20):
herbicide, sequester it in theplant and don't let it get to
the growing point.
So you can hit it with multipleherbicides and it can still
sometimes slough through that,especially when they start to
bolt.
And we're making theseburndowns later than we wish.
They're just, they're good atthat.

(15:41):
Now, most of the winter annualsare going to die on their own.
Chickweed, henbit, shepherd'spurse marestail is the one
exception.
It, you know, it does its lifecycle in the spring, but that's
why it becomes, in my opinion,no-till weed enemy number one.
Not only does it take off inthe spring, but it's not going
to seed out and flower untilAugust.

(16:02):
So it bolts and keeps growingthrough the entire summer,
entire summer.
The rest of them are going toput on seed and they're going to
senesce often in late April andMay.
So they're going to do theirthing.
They still did the damage right.
They took the nutrients, stoleit from your crop if you didn't

(16:23):
burn them down in time.
So just some differencesamongst those.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, no, you were talking about stealing, and you
know the last two questions thatyou've answered.
You've kind of stolen my nextquestion, so I'm gonna give it a
little bit on that too.
You know we were talking aboutcorn and then so you know kind
of the same thing.
You know what are we seeing onsoybeans?
No-till.
We know there's a little bitdifference.
We know you know there's theyou know the extend flex traits.

(16:49):
There's the enlist E3 trait,you know we have things like
that.
Expand a little bit on that.
But a caveat to that also thatI wanted to add which again you
stole was I wanted to talk aboutfall burndown, because that is
something in Nebraska that wehave started doing more, and
especially because of marestailright that we have started doing

(17:10):
more, and especially because ofmarestail right and to get
farmers to.
There are multiple farmerswe've had bad marestail problems
, let's just go with that.
And we've sprayed in the fallfor like consecutively, two or
three years and they're nowsaying, my God, what happened to
all the marestail?
It's not here anymore, right.
But the challenges we run intoare two things, right.

(17:31):
So for me, I always tell themit's easiest to spray in the
fall because you don't have toworry about killing grandma's
tomatoes or whatever.
You've got a lot more leeway.
But the other question, but thetwo pushbacks I get from a lot
of producers are number one mysprayer is already put away.
I don't want to bust it backout after harvest.
This.
And secondly is there's a lot oflivestock, a lot of cattle that

(17:56):
run stops.
And so you get a question hey,if I'm putting this out there,
what's my?
You know my re-entry intervalfor livestock or whatever.
So I guess it's a two-partquestion that I'm kind of
throwing at you, but I reallyliked that idea, cause that's
how tell people when you'redon't spray your lawn in the
spring or the summer fordandelions, because it just

(18:16):
pisses them off Excuse mylanguage.
You do it in the fall becauseit's taking those carbohydrates
down to the roots.
It needs those carbohydrates tosurvive the winter and when you
take that source ofcarbohydrates away, that's where
you get that kill.
But anyway, I kind of went offon a little tangent.
But if you kind of get whereI'm coming from, can you, can
you add some some things, kindof those comments.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Oh, jeff, and you're, you're spot on, right how you
manage.
And a dandelion is a perennial,but it fits into this whole
group of problem weeds in ano-till system, right, and we
have a couple of biennials likecurly dock and such, but exact
same thing right In the fall.
They're trying to put thesenutrients into their root zone.
So a systemic herbicide does somuch better in the fall, right,

(18:59):
the efficacy is so much betterBacking up, like from a life
cycle standpoint.
So, once again, our problemweeds they germinated more than
likely.
Our problem winter annuals thatyou're going to deal with when
you get, when the grower drivesinto this field on May 5th and
the no-till weeds are a foottall, they likely germinated in

(19:23):
August and September.
So that's the time of year theygerminated.
Now we're blessed a little bitthis year because we were fairly
dry in August and September.
You can't miss it all becauseit can still germinate to some
degree.
But when we get a frequentrainfall in August and September
, you know immediately thatyou're going to have pretty
substantial winter annualpressure next spring.

(19:44):
So we're maybe, you know,dodging a little bit.
But this is long term right,they don't go anywhere.
And, jeff, your point is prettypoignant, I would say, is
winter annuals that produce seed, and I actually have some
photos from several fields thatwere burned down at planting.

(20:07):
However, I have henbit andshepherd's purse that actually
had mature seed by April 20thApril 20th, so try and beat, you
know, and it wasn't all mature.
But you could shake out orgrind out mature seed out of
that henbit by April 20th.

(20:28):
And I'm talking, you know,southwest Iowa, consistent
long-term no-till.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
So as much as you try and be ahead of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
They are geared, they want to get their seed on early
.
So back to your point.
One way to get past that is hey, how do I get set up to fall?
Apply right, what are thethings I'm going to do Now?
If the the key really is, hey,let that stuff germinate.
It's going to germinate andyou're going to harvest the crop
, and then generally, the ruleof thumb is by about the middle

(20:57):
of October, we kind of tend toreally fall off on germination.
So the weeds that are there,the winter annuals that are
there, so really I just kind oftell my group hey, as soon as
you get to October 15th, let herrip.
It's time to go, it's time tospray.
Now, what you guys also know isright at that exact same time

(21:19):
usually is ammonia is aboutready to start full bore right,
and then everybody's like, oh mygosh, I don't have anybody to
put in the sprayer.
I can't you know.
But it's like, well, you andthe weeds can have that
discussion about how come youdon't have anybody to put in the
sprayer.
I'm just telling you this is asolution.
Right Middle of October we gearup and start spraying for

(21:41):
winter annual control and it itis crazy how well it works.
It will be spotless in thespring and and it's funny, I
walk across those fields like,let's say, I'm running two and a
half ounces of Distinct and I'mrunning 12 ounces of six pound
LV6.
You walk across that field themiddle of November.
The weeds are still there.

(22:01):
You know, they're kind of afunky color and they're kind of
light green and you're like gosh, I don't know if this is gonna
get them or not.
You walk back out in that fieldin March.
It is spotless, absolutelyspotless, and they'll plant
clean, you know.
So I've really gotten to be afan, like I had a corn or shoot,
bill and Jeff, what, what youguys have proved over the years

(22:23):
is putting these soybeans inearly.
You know, I used to think thereal benefit was I'm going to
fall upon my bean stubble.
I want to do it all, but I wantto fall by my bean stubble so I
can plant corn clean, right,and corn just can't tolerate

(22:43):
that weed competition.
But man, you guys have provedwe need to plant beans earlier.
So it's hard to find a fieldthat isn't a good candidate in
long-term.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
No-till to fall apply and if you do that, jeff, your
point is spot on.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
They're weeds that don't have a really persistent
seed bank.
So if you stay on top of it,you burn the seed bank out
fairly I shouldn't say quickly,but much faster than you do with
a lot of other weeds.
So you're on top of it for fiveyears.
You will dramatically reduceyour winter annual population,
which is a nice benefit.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, that's awesome, brent.
So I am gonna throw a curveballat you here.
So, as you're thinking throughsoybeans, you think through
tactics, you think through allthe herbicides, the curveball
I'm going to throw is covercrops.
So, as you think about I'mdoing my seeding and cover crop,
and how does that, if I say,hey, I kind of you know I'm
hearing what you're saying aboutthis fall apply.

(23:34):
But man, I see my cover cropout there.
How do I incorporate that?
And then, maybe, when do Iterminate that?
How does that go back to whatyou started with on tying up
nutrients and all that sort ofstuff that you know?
That cover crop, how do you see?

Speaker 4 (23:50):
that interacting.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
And how do you, how do you tie that whole system
into it?

Speaker 4 (23:52):
Because there's a fair amount of cover crops going
in our no-till systems as well.
Yeah, right, absolutely so.
Interesting, right?
I mean cover crop as it isright, the benefits that are
people trying to accomplish, andeverything from an agronomic
standpoint.
What's fascinating from a weedstandpoint is that, and two
things people that do falltillage do not, as you notice,

(24:14):
don't have winter annuals, right, winter annuals can't tolerate
that tillage application, that'sanything that's aggressive in
the fall.
They just can't.
You know, it doesn't matter,they just can't make it through
that.
They need that ground to bepretty stable right At that
August, september, you knowNovember timeframe.
Now, if you can establish a veryaggressive or thick stand of,

(24:38):
let's just say, cereal or rye orwhatever your cover crop is
going to be, you will absolutelysuppress winter annual
populations.
The trick becomes did you get areally good, thick, established
stand right?
So I've walked across plenty ofthese that are like, oh, it's
patchy, I either spread it or Iyit's.
I either spread it or I flew iton.

(24:59):
Or you know what's living inthe areas that don't have rye in
them?
All the winter annuals, I meanthey, they're doing just fine.
So now you kind of have thisdouble whammy.
You're like, okay, I definitelyin in the rye cover crop or the
cover crop in the spring,whatever the mix is no different
than the winter annuals.
They are going to sequester,they are going to take yield

(25:21):
that needs to get removed very,very quickly.
And I think we've learned a fewthings over time.
I mean, we knew on corn, right,you just can't let that, you
know, especially a grass ryecover crop.
You just cannot let it survive.
You will pay the penalty dearlyif you let it go and burn it
down later.
And I think some of this youknow satellite data that like oh

(25:44):
gosh, I can't remember what,who's aggregated that, but we're
even seeing some yield hits ifyou don't remove it quickly, in
soybeans, you know, and we usedto think, oh, we can kind of let
it go in beans, matter of fact,we can plant green, burn it
down later.
That doesn't seem to be thecase.
There's some meal penaltiespaid there.
So I wouldn't treat the covercrop any different than burning

(26:08):
down the no-till.
You need to do it early Now.
You don't have, you're notgoing to do it in the fall right
, so you're caught doing it inthe spring and you'd like to see
some growth come out of it.
So I don't know that one'stough right.
That's a tough one for me tomanage from a weed management
standpoint, and I understand allthe benefits you're trying to

(26:28):
do.
But it is difficult and thetiming becomes so critical right
.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, so what would be your recommendation?
Recommendation then, just very,very granular, on what do I
spray.
You know, that's what do Ispray a week ahead of time on
that, and what do I spray?
Or you know, yeah, burn down ingeneral on soybeans.
So so what do you?
What do you think?
In there, let's get some verygranular kind of right.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
So same fundamentals.
Right, can you be well ahead ofthe planter?
Right, and we've referencedsome of the data.
Hey, you need to be two weeksahead.
Well, reality is that's reallydifficult.
But being ahead right, that's apriority burndown situation.
It's going to take a prettysubstantial shot of glyphosate
in the spring.
Usually rye is not all thatresponsive.

(27:10):
It's colder.
You know those temperatures.
You struggle a little bit andthere's been a fair amount of
work.
You know, looking at glyphosate, even gramoxone, you know our
Liberty and Liberty has efficacyon grass species as well, but
really glyphosate's the onethat's the most effective.
Now I will tell you a trick thatI have a lot of people that do,

(27:33):
and you know the swing and missthat happens in the spring with
glyphosate, because it's kindof cool, you kind of kill it,
you sometimes don't.
It struggles, you know.
You try and take the rate up asbest you can.
But what's interesting is I'veseen a little bit of benefit,
like when Sharpen or Verdict orZidua Pro is in the mix.

(27:55):
That you know, and that wasthat sharpener.
That saphofenacil doesn'treally have grass activity but
it speeds up the rye burndownand you wouldn't believe it
unless you saw it and it's justbeen.
The experience that you've kindof learned over time is and
I've had some splits I've hadsome splits where I've had
Verdict in the tank learned overtime is, and I've had some

(28:16):
splits.
I've had some splits where I'vehad Verdict in the tank and next
to another competitive pre inthe tank, both even EC
formulations, and I have a photoof a field that it was at least
three to five days fasterburndown on the Verdict side
with the same amount ofglyphosate.
So there's a couple littletricks right that we can pull on
and I've got a lot of my folksthat I work with are like oh,

(28:39):
I'm gonna slide in a little burnif you're some sharp and you
know, speed up this.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
This and I'm specifically really talking
about a rye burn down right inthis, which is predominantly our
, our cover crop yeah, cool,cool thanks yeah, no, that, and
you know we've hit a lot ofthings today and and you know a
lot of information that you know, if you ask me personally,
doesn't get talked about fallburndown, doesn't get talked

(29:04):
about a lot in a lot of areasand it can be to me, one of the
best tools that you can utilizefor your crop.
The previous year, um, you knowwe talk about rye.
We got quite a bit of ryethat's over here, especially on,
like a lot of the seed, fieldacres, popcorn acres, you know,
and you see them out thereplanting into it.
You know it's either brown orbe green and I've seen fields
out there where the rye is fivefeet tall and headed out and you

(29:27):
can't see the corn until it'sabout V3 because it takes so
long to kill, or not V3, excuseme Like V7, v8, because it takes
so long to kill.
And then you know, I see a lotof scenarios where they put rye
out there and then they harvestit off and then they go ahead
and spray and they go ahead andplant.
But the reality of it is wealways are thinking from a
moisture standpoint, I think allthat nutrients that's being

(29:48):
lost and taken up and not putback into that soil there, and
so when you brought that up, itreally rang a bell with me of,
yeah, you think about thosethings, but the reality behind
this whole thing is, I think wecan all agree starting clean and
staying clean.
Those are the two biggest thingsyou can do to maximize your
yield out there, and we knowyears like this potentially

(30:10):
could be more of a struggleeconomically in some of these
markets.
You need all the yield you canget, and so there's been some
comments about cutting back onsome herbicide, cut back on some
things.
To me, that's the one thing youcannot afford to cut back on at
all, because that is still oneof the biggest things to
maximize your yield out there ishaving a clean field.

(30:31):
So we covered a lot of topicsand anything to add.
So that was my question Do youhave anything to add?
Brett Cause, we're gettingcloser to summing it up for the
day, but do you have anycomments or questions you want
to add or anything else you wantthe audience to to kind of
understand before we wrap it upfor the day?

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, hey, I'll just give you one quick.
What I I kind of preach eachspring, right?
Just just a few rules of thumb.
So, without a doubt, we startrolling.
Maybe the late March, it'sApril.
You know, we're on this rollercoaster of temperatures.
What you really kind of wantpeople to do on spring burndowns

(31:06):
is we prefer to see daytimetemps get above 50 degrees.
So we prefer to see daytimetemps get above 50.
We'd like some sunshine.
And then if you drop below 40,I always recommend that people,
you know, wait until midday.
Don't be in a hurry.
Last night it got to 40 degrees.

(31:28):
You know, get your sprayer setup so you're hitting the field
at 11 am or noon.
You know there's no reason tobe out there at 7 when it got
cold that night before.
And really you know the toughone, the tough recommendation to
give, and it's kind of liketough love right.
If it freezes the night before,you really need to wait at
least 24 hours or if not 48hours.

(31:50):
And that's hard right, becauseyou're like I have all these
acres to cover, we need to getgoing, I want to spray.
Because you're like I have allthese acres to cover, we need to
get going, I want to spray.
That's probably the most commonquestion I get in the spring
because, guaranteed, we're at 61day, two days later it's 28
degrees at night and that's justthe reality of what we have to

(32:11):
deal with.
And that's probably the mostcommon question hey, should I
spray today?
You know, and it's not like youdon't get efficacy but you
start to reduce your efficacy.
Or what I really recommendpeople doing is hey, if you're
going to spray Zidua Pro, it'sin the tank with you know,
Phenoxy.
It's in the tank with glyphosateand it's a good MSO and you're

(32:32):
doing, you know, 15 to 20 GPA.
You're stacking the deck inyour favor.
That is not the place to go outwith a poor program.
In tough conditions it willburn you every single time,
right?
So we want, we want to be onour game and do all the things
and it's like, oh, I don't knowif I want to do all that.
Once again, you and the weedscan have that.

(32:53):
Talk about what you do or don'twant to do.
They don't care what you don'twant to do.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, no, very true, brent.
So yeah, a lot of great stuff.
Thanks again for joining us.
We'll I think we'll definitelyhave Brent back, jeff.
We'll get some more stuff,especially if we get further
into the season here a lot ofgood stuff on weeds and weed
management and species and allthat sort of stuff.
So again, thanks for your time,brent.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Thank you so much, really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Hey, you guys carry on.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Keep fighting the good fight.
We'll keep going, We'll keepgoing.
Thanks, Brett.
Wow, I probably could have wenton for another half an hour if
we wanted to.
I'm not sure our listenerswould want it to, but we'd bring
it up twice.
But you know, really, somethingthat doesn't get talked a lot
about is fall burndown, is youknow some of that stuff and we

(33:41):
always talk about when we talkabout chemistries, we talk about
herbicides.
You know we always have in thatconversation of make sure that
right at pre or right at plantand are in season, but that game
can start six months, eightmonths.
You know, even, like he wastalking, if you don't have those
good rains in August andSeptember, for that I mean, so
it really starts already inAugust.
From some of that, what aresome of the take-home points you

(34:02):
got for our, for our listeners,and what you really garnered
from today's conversation?

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah, no, I think the first one that caught me was
was just the nitrogen tie up ofof what is tied up and the
nutrients and everything.
I mean tying all that stuff up,that that you don't really
think about, especially from aweed perspective.
I mean, we've got fields, uh,especially western iowa, that
are, uh, completely purple uh,here in the spring and you, you
basically got that end bit outthere, that's just, you know,

(34:28):
across the hillsides you're like, okay, oh, that's pretty right.
Well, no, it's not, uh, becauseyou know it's that.
Then I think back he brought upanother one that got me thinking
about a guy that I had aservice call on, that that
wanted to.
You know it was no tilling hiscorn into cereal rye that he'd
burnt down, and you know it wasso dry that spring and and I you

(34:49):
know, and that ground was sohard and he was trying he
couldn't get the down pressure,you know, hard enough to
basically get the seed in theground and get it closed, and
then it was just powder.
It was hard and it was dry andhe was not getting them in
moisture.
And you think about what thosethose you know whether it be a
cover crop or whether it be weedor whatever it's being what
it's robbing from you.
So so I think that's thebiggest thing to think about is

(35:11):
how critical it is to controlthose weeds and everything we
have that's really going throughthat.
So, you know, I think about theone other one that was just
henbit actually having viableseed by April the 20th.
Like holy cow.
I hadn't thought about that,but you know, as I think back
through, you know I've got somerock landscaper on my place and
I got some henbit that loves toget into that and yeah, I can

(35:33):
see that that they wouldactually have some seeds by that
time because they're actuallygerminating here.
You know, I've seen them backin early March.
They were actually up andrunning and starting to grow.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
So they're definitely having a good heyday here now
too.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
So how about you?
What takeaways do you have?

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, you know I didn't know what direction this
was going to go, but wow, I meanI got a lot out of it.
Yeah, the first thing was isyou know any if you were
spraying at the time, burndownat the time of planting?
They're finding out that theweeds were holding 22 to 27
pounds of nitrogen.
You know, you think about thatand, like brett said, yeah, go
buy that from your retailer andyeah, we're not getting paid for

(36:09):
25 pounds but you're not goingto get it.
That isn't going to go oververy well from that standpoint.
Um, I think you know hiscomments he made.
You know, doing a great programbut making sure conditions are
right for it too.
You know, going out there inspring when the conditions
aren't right, it's just like anytime you're not going to get.
So with these time of economicconcerns we have right now, you

(36:31):
want to make sure you'remaximizing every dollar you
spend.
So make sure you do the timingand everything right.
And again, you know that thatrye conversation, we see a lot
of it out there.
But you know, if you really gotfields, especially like for
Ameristail, you really sometroubles.
It's that fall burndown, thatreally that's the heavy lifting.
And and do it in the fallYou've got time.
Hopefully you have time.
If not, a retailer may havetime to do it.

(36:52):
But if you want the biggestbang for your buck and the
economics of spring at that timeare cheaper too, than than
springtime options too um,brings a lot of things to the
table and then you hit it righton top.
Um, purple fields, purpleflowers, are beautiful, purple
fields aren't, and and uh, yeah,you'll see, you always get
people.
We'll be driving down the road,wife, well, that field looks so

(37:13):
pretty, it's all purple and I'mjust sitting there going, oh,
but hey, no, we learned a lotand yeah, definitely we need to
bring them back because we got alot more that we can dive into
this.
But with that, bill, we'regoing to sum it up for today.
So thanks for joining us todayon Spilling the Beans.
We invite you to download theGrow Smart Live app for more
resources and share this podcastwith other growers.

(37:35):
So from myself and from Bill,as we're signing off, we always
say make it a great day.

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