Grieving to Believing with Renowned Psychic Medium Deb Sheppard [Best Of]

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Joy, hey, beautiful soul, welcome to spirit
speakeasy. I'm Joy Giovanni,joyful medium. I'm a working
psychic medium, energy healerand spiritual gifts mentor. This
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time. So come behind the velvetropes with me and see inside my

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world as I chat insider stylewith profoundly gifted souls, we
go deep, share juicy stories,laugh a lot, and it wouldn't be
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might even learn that you havesome gifts of your own so step
inside the spirit. Speak Easy.
Hey, beautiful soul, welcome infor another episode of spirit.

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Speak Easy. Today we have such acool guest. Her name is Deb
Shepherd. I'm gonna introduceher in just a moment here. But
she is someone who has been aworking medium for so many years
now, she also teaches and doeslive events and retreats, and
has been on so many differentbroadcast networks, and has a

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show of her own on YouTube and apodcast. And she really is just
such a beautiful, open soul whoteaches and shares from the
heart, who shares her ownexperience. She's an award
winning author to boot, andreally just gets to share all of
this experience with us todayand through her book, which is

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called grieving to believing,discovering the afterlife. But
we talk about so much more thanthat, and she really shares a
lot with us about hermediumship, some examples from
her own work. So I know thatyou're gonna really love this
conversation with the fantasticpsychic medium. Teacher, healer
speaker, Best Selling Author,Deb Shepherd. Hey, beautiful

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souls, welcome in for anotherepisode of spirit speakeasy. I
am so honored to introduce ourguest today. Her name is Deb
Shepherd. She is aninternationally recognized
certified psychic medium,spiritual teacher, best selling
author and speaker. Herincredible ability places her in

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the top 3% of most accurate inour profession. She shared the
stage with global spiritualleaders, including James Van
Praagh, Michael Beckwith andSonia Choquette. She's so busy,
but when she's not at liveevents, giving readings or
teaching her spiritualphilosophies, she's recording
episodes of her moving YouTubeseries, grieving to believing a

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medium's mission to bringparents peace, hosting her
popular podcast, spiritedstraight talk, and empowering
hundreds of her mentoringstudents each year to let go of
their limiting beliefs in orderto open to the spirit world. Her
book, grieving to believing,discovering the afterlife, is a
two time Amazon bestseller whichtells her personal journey at

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times she shares so raw in thisbook, you guys have to read it
of her own healing process andhow her abilities work with
hundreds of media appearances,Deb has been featured on CBS,
NBC, Fox, I Heart Radio, dailyblast live, the Jones radio
network and so many more. She'salso been syndicated on 150
radio stations nationwide, andfrequent guest on many of the

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top TV and radio stations inDenver for many years, known for
her compassion and keen sense ofhumor, Deb is based in Colorado
and recently married the love ofher life, Dana Nieto, who is
equally loved and admired inDeb's community as her chief
organizer and co host onspirited straight stuff,
spirited Straight Talk. Welcomein, Deb. How are you?

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Thank you. So excited aboutbeing here and meeting you. Joy
absolutely to haveyou. I feel like I have so many
questions for you, but I justwant to tell you that I loved
your book. I feel like it is soraw and vulnerable, and really
does give so much insight to thereader about how your personal
life experience is sointertwined with your journey,

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with your spiritual gifts andteaching. So thank you for the
amazing work.
Thank you. Well, it sounds likeyou're doing kind of the same
thing, right? We're sort of onthe same path, trying
to help with the healing.
Absolutely. Yeah. You shared inthe book that one of the biggest
ways that you started to openup, you started meditating, and

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then you became really drawn toFeng Shui. Is that still
something that you practice andteach,
Oh, absolutely, all the time.
And I still teach it, and I useit. I've been doing it probably
2425 years, and I never have alot of experience that maybe you
had, or other people wherethey're very young and they're,
you know, they're seeing ghostsand dead people, and they're

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hearing voices that reallywasn't me. Even though I had a
few of those experiences, Istarted leaning into feng shui
when someone, a girlfriend ofmine, told me about it, because
I was in kind of those.
Crossroads where life was notgoing well, as you know, we know
that there's times where we'relearning those lessons and we
just feel challenged. And when Istarted feng shui, it was the
first time I felt like I wasmore empowered, that I had

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somewhat control. And thatenergy that I started feeling is
when I started recognizingpeople who had crossed were
showing up, talking to me andnot what I imagined ever and I
was like, huh, but never afraidof it. And because of that, I
continue, because I know thatthere's power behind energy, and
power behind how we feel in ourspace and things like that. So I

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think it gives people anopportunity to have an
intention, especially whenthey're wanting to manifest or
clean out clutter or kind ofgive those some clarity. So yes,
it's been something I'mpassionate about and still
continue todo. Well, there's so many
things, even in what you justsaid, that I just want to
highlight one. We can come intothese gifts at any time in our
life. I was in my probably 30swhen I started becoming aware,

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and much like you, you know,we'll talk about this in a
minute, but like, it's funny,because it seems like with with
each medium, there's some storyof like. In retrospect, I saw
things you know, identify. Theother thing that you, that you
mentioned, is essentially thatwe can move into this spiritual
work through any number ofpaths. It's just absolutely

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drawn to. Did you really havemuch understanding or feeling
about energy before you startlearning about Feng Shui. And
will you give us a littledefinition for people,
sure, sure, absolutely fengshui. I remember when I first
heard about it, well, how do youprepare it to eat? You know, I
thought it was, you know, it'slike a food, right? It is, you

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know, originally, it's a 1000sof year old technique where you
place items in your home or yourworkspace to create a flow of
energy. And all of us, we gointo a space and go, Oh, this is
kind of creepy, or, you know, itfeels heavy, or we feel light
hearted, or it feels cold. Andso we all, we all pick up on
energy how we feel. You know,you can have the same floor

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plan, but decorated differently,and how you feel is, is what
happens. Even when you collect,maybe antiques, there's an
energy around that the thingsthat we collect or have been
given to us, or people thatcollect those kind of things. So
it's how we feel energetically.
And sometimes we feel it. Youknow, by our mind, we feel it
with our body. And my I feel alot with my body. So that's a

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piece of it where you just wantto, I want to get out of here,
right? This is not feel good orsafe, and we want to just run.
And there's other times where wejust want to relax. And if you
think about hotels or spas orthings like that, how do you
feel? So it's energy, and theyuse all the elements. You know
that earth, wind, fire, water,and part of it is understanding

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how water moves, and that's howyou feel, is it rushing, or is
it calm? And that energy is howwe can open up. And if you feel
safe, that creates a space forus to meditate, connect with our
guides, connect with our lovedones. That is what we're
creating, a sacred spacewell, and it's so beautiful. And
I love the way you're talkingabout this. It's something I

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always say, you know, we talkabout energy in our common life,
so much more, even though thewoo, woo stuff is like sometimes
in the closet. How many timeshave we heard someone say, Do
you know, to your point, oh,this, there's such great energy
in this lobby or Oh, thatmeeting. There was some tense
energy in there. It's, it's, weall know what it feels like.

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It's just a lot of people don'tknow that we can manipulate it,
manage it, work with it in ourown space. Yes,
absolutely. You know, animalsare not told it's not real. So
if we look at a dog or a cat orany wild animal, they understand
the vibration or energy. Humansare told to do things literally,

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and so we forget to use ourintuition, just like when we
meet somebody for the firsttime, you're like, Hmm,
something feels off. Or I thatperson, I just I feel like I've
known them forever. We havethose energetic connections, but
we don't understand or havewords sometimes to describe it
and get the clarity. And I thinkthat's what happens with both of
our teaching is helping peopleget that clarity. What does it

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feel like? What is it? Where isit from? And like, when you meet
someone, you go, Oh, I just wantto spend more time with them, or
can't wait to have this meetingover or dinner over. Yeah, so
it's the same. Thing is, is thespace that we live in? And I
think a space. Can also tell usabout that individual and tell

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us, you know, are they feelingoverwhelmed? Do they feel like
there's if they have a lot ofclutter and they're keeping
things that no longer resonatewith them, they're holding on to
that past where sometimes it'stime for change, and we're not
willing to have change well,and I love it too, because it's,
it's such a, you know, sometimeseven as spiritual workers
ourselves or mediums, we can'talways see our own stuff. So

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such a good physical indicator.
You know,absolutely, I think it's,
you know, it's like the plumberthat he always has the leaky
faucet. It's the same with us.
We you know, it's turning itaround. And when you. Are
helping so many people, it'shard to sit back and go, Okay,
what do I need to reflect on?
And I think when we look at ourspaces, sometimes it can help

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us. Like you said that, youknow, the closet, how cluttered
is that closet? Are there thingsin there that are not going to,
you know, they don't fitanymore, but we're holding on to
it, or things in there thatsomeone gave us that we're no
longer connected to. So it's,it's bringing that energy into I
want something new, and itdoesn't mean that those items
don't have memories and positivethings or negative, but we hold

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on and we hold on to things anddon't make room for that
expansion.
It's such a good point. I mean,how often do we hear people
saying that they feel blocked orstuck or and it's like, okay,
maybe there's you can createsome fresh energy in your space.
We're stepping into springtimehere. So
I think too people want to be inpeople want to be actively,
like, I want to do something tomake a change. And that was

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where I was. Was like, I feellike I'm sitting just waiting
for something to happen for theand I didn't understand the
language of the universe. Butthen I was thinking, I wanted to
participate and be inpartnership. And now I know I
can be in partnership with thatenergy. And when you have the
understanding that you canmanifest with intention and use
the energy in your space, all ofa sudden you feel more
empowered, versus maybe thevictim or just waiting, or, you

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know, and I we hear, you know,waiting for the other shoe to
drop, or I don't feel like Ican, you know, change, make
these changes. And so it kind ofmakes us an active participant
in our lives,well, and in your personal
story, there's so muchsynchronicity and, you know,
wow, synchronistic thingsthroughout, you know, your
journey, and the way you tellit, and actually, personally to
me too, but you were talkingabout in the book how you

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started doing this feng shui inyour space and really clearing
it out at a time that was atough transitional time for you,
for your family and your life.
And then as you kind of movethrough that process, lo and
behold, unbeknownst to you,these spiritual gifts start
opening up. And you did starthearing, I'm guessing it's more

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of the internal, you know,subjective, clear audience is
probably what was happening. Andall the, all the ways did you,
you said you gave the message,and you it was really validated,
and you knew, like, okay,something's happening here. But
what was your process fromthere? Once you realized, okay,
something's shifting in me,something's

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happening, I didn't have amentor, and so it's like I
opened up the vortex. Andoriginally, when I called my
friend, and I said, I think, andI had not met her father, and
her father was coming through.
And I said, you know, Susie, Ithink your dad's here. This is
what he's telling me. And thankgoodness she was open minded. So
it sort of started the snowball.

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And I thought, Okay, that waskind of cool. From that point,
then the floodgates opened, andI would be at a gathering with
other women and having a glassof wine, going, oh my god, your
dad's here. You know, yourgrandpa and I kind of was
crossing a lot of boundaries.
You know that, no, no, that thisis not appropriate, this is not
the place to be. So I had tokind of reel it back, because it

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was not, you know, I didn't knowto shut that off, because it's
not the place to do it. And Ithink a lot of people that open
up their abilities, they just,you know, they have no filter.
And I think you need to have afilter. I think it's important
to have some ethics when you dothis work. But from that, as it
kept opening, I went to see JohnEdward and when, and it's in the

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book, a bit more detailed in thestory. And I know I wasn't there
for a reading, but I justthought, I am drawn to go.
What's the reason? And then onthe way home, there was a radio
station, a local radio stationthat was on, and they had a
medium on. She had a medium,said the psychic. And I said, I
need to call that radio station.

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Well, I didn't find out tillmuch later that when my husband
took a when we had a breakduring the event for John
Edward, he was listening to abaseball game and was on an am
station, I he did not turn itback to an FM station. So I know
the universe definitely hadsomething to do with it, for
sure. And after a and I stilldidn't have a practice, I was

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still trying to figure it out,like, what this is all about,
what do I do with this? And itcan be overwhelming in the
beginning, especially. Well, Iended up getting on a radio that
radio station, and it was rightafter 911 and I did 52 readings
on and off the air. And the DJ,which is still a friend, she
said, you can either lean intothis or you can walk away. This

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is your opportunity. And evendriving to the station, I was
thinking to myself, either thisis going to be 15 minutes of
fame or 15 minutes don't ever dothis again. Because I wasn't
sure. Wasn't sure if I could doit, and it was complete trust,
and that's where the doorsopened and became a regular on
this station. And I still have apassion for radio, and it was it

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gave me the confidence that Icould do this, and that's where
I took. Career to another path,right? It's
such a great point too, becausesometimes we don't realize, I
call them the breadcrumbs.
Sometimes we don't realize thosebreadcrumbs of, oh yeah, I'm
just interested in this group,mediumship reading with hundreds
of people. That's kind ofexpensive for no parent reason,
right?

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And I wasn't expecting a readingbecause I that was not my
intention at all. It was, checkit out absolutely it's so it's
interesting. It was sort ofsimilar to my first group
reading that I had been to. Iwas already just started
developing, and I was there, andall of a sudden I knew, like,
Oh, I'm potentially supposed todo that. And then even as it
came in, I was like, wait, what?

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Like, yeah, no, that's, that'scrazy. Like, so I think people
just don't realize thatsometimes it is us kind of
fumbling towards and giving ourfree will agreement as we go,
and not like we have this planall laid out that we can see so
clearly. Actually, like, itencourages people to know, like,
hey,this I like the word, I like the
word fumbling. That's exactlywhat it was. It was like,

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fumbling. You know, how it feelswhen the problem, yeah, how it
feels like I don't know whereI'm getting direction. And for
me to go to John Edward, therewas so many, there was probably
two or 3000 people there, and Icould feel the pain. And I'm
sure you can too. And part of itis, you know, it's okay to be a
messenger. Maybe I can help afew people. So, yeah, the
fumbling,I love that you talk about being
so openly empathic in yourenergy. I know that's common for

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so many people. Do you havetools that you use to kind of
manage that in the moment? Areyou just doing some grounding?
Youknow, I have a philosophy, and I
think everyone has their owntools and belief system. I don't
do the white light protectionthing. I think if I'm in my
power and I'm standing in thatplace of good boundaries

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throughout my day and throughoutmy life, that whatever comes in
energetically that could bedifficult or toxic or whatever
you want to call it, then it'ssomething I have to learn. It's
about building those muscleswithin to be able to manage
that, versus going in with fear.
I don't go in going, Oh, I maybe attacked, or I may someone
may take my energy. I feel thatif I'm not in alignment with

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myself and I'm not beingvigilant with that, then I need
to pay attention, and ifsomething shows up, I'm I'm not
doing something that theuniverse has started, like
tapping me on the shoulder andsaid, You got to strengthen
those muscles a littlebit more. I love that
philosophy, and I think it'spart of our discernment as
sensitive humans to say, like,okay, that emotion, I feel that
that doesn't belong to me. I,you know, I feel that out there.

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Now I'm just going to be me andmy in my space, yes,
yeah. And I think it's just alearning process. And if we're
caught off guard with somethingusually I I think, from my
experiences, is I look back andthinking all these other things
were going on and I wasn'tpaying attention. And it's those
breadcrumbs, it's those signsthat we are here to learn as

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well as anybody else,for sure, and it's always a
process. I believe, I know, I'mnot sure if you knew Mavis
patella, the incredible,beautiful medium she is, but
she's was 80, in her 80s, andjust passed away within the last
couple years. And would say thatshe was still developing, still
learning. Yes,absolutely. And I think if any
intuitive person that teaches oris a medium feels like, Oh, I'm

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done with those lessons. I waslike, oh, there's lightning
coming, because we're always onthe growth journey. There's no
There's no ending, as long asyour feet are on this flat, you
know, on this planet, we're hereto grow and learn, and that's
part of that process. And it'sreally good for our ego to know
that we're still learning.
Oh, it's so true, and howamazing that you you know, in

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that moment, just put yourselfout vulnerably. I know in the
book, you explain how youactually made friends with that
radio host, and then you knowthat that did, she even told you
in that moment, I think, like,Okay, this is changing
everything. And then you agreedto continue in the work. So we
do have choice along the way.
Yes,and I think a lot of people have
a fear around this, likeSomething may come in that's not

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good. And I always say, if youhave good boundaries in your
life, you know if you're beingtaught to learn something,
nothing is too scary for us tohandle. It just feels that it's
not that we know the knowledgearound it, or we haven't gotten
the wisdom around it to learnmore. So
it's so true. So the beauty ofthe book is it's interwoven with

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your understanding of your giftsand your life journey, and then
your own personal grief journey,which you share really openly in
the book about I highlyencourage anyone who's lost
anyone to just read your storyand what happens. And one of the
things I really love that yougive to all of us as a gift in
the later segment is this kindof like, what to do and what not

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to do, which I think you know toyour point in the book, we
really don't, especially in USculture, we don't really deal
with grief and death,particularly challenging past.
Things, completion of suicide,overdose, you know, the more
difficult. Not that any passingis easy, but the ones that have
the more challenged emotions,right? Others. And I just, I

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love that you were inspired toinclude that, you know, here's
what to never say,Yeah, I don't know if you go
there or clients come to you andtalk about how others can make
them feel guilty. And my husbandsuicided my nephew, and I've had
several others, and there is alot of shame around mental
health, and I am an advocate forgetting into health, and I'm so

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glad that now these youngergenerations are really stepping
into not having it be a stigmaanymore. They're, they're owning
it, saying, I need I need help,I need support. And I think
that's just so wonderful, butthere was a stigma, and there
has been that, you know, suicidemeans that you gave up or you
were selfish, and so people willjudge that, especially when

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there's a religious kind ofintention around it. So people
will say, Well, how do I helpsomebody? How do I support them?
And we talk about holding spaceand holding spaces. You know,
it's not about giving advice ortaking them away from their
pain, but just being there andbeing a good listener, and not
to put your beliefs on on them.

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But you know, what do they needat the moment? And let them go
through that process, because wewant to fix it. When we see
people suffering, we want themto not suffer. We don't want
them. We want to fix it. And youknow, grief has its own path and
its own timing, and there is notimeline at all when you begin

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to shift how you grieve, or howyou see your grief, and when we
put our own agendas on it, theperson feels guilty, and they
really don't do what they needfor their grief. Even if we have
a similar grief, it's not thesame,
right? No, and it's just, it'sjust so beautiful how you share
about how having to work throughthat journey of forgiveness and

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and forgiving the other person,and that releasing of control,
that like the illusion that weever could have controlled or
made different someone else'schoice or behavior. I think
that's just so powerful.
Yeah, I think a lot of people,especially with suicide, they
believe that they could havemade a difference. And I think
we can. I think there is a lotof things that we can do, but

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there's many times that we haveno power, no control. The
person's made that decision, andit's where we feel guilt and
shame that we didn't rescue orknow, and I'm sure you doing
this work too. There's timeswhere the person made the
decision and you have no power.
We can't force them to go gethelp. We can't force them to

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make a change. And I think it'scoming to terms with it is what
I call cancer of the mind, thatif we understand it as an
illness, more than a deficit ora label, something like that, I
think it helps us to heal betteror heal in a better way, like
people that have cancer orpeople that die in a car
accident or things like that.

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I agree. And to your point, Ilove that it's being
destigmatized in many ways. Andyou know, even if mental health
is a spectrum, you know what Imean, it's like, oh yeah, we may
need help for only a timeperiod, or only a transition
period in our life, or it may bean ongoing, just helpful
additional support as part ofour, you know, we don't think

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anything about if someone says,oh, I go to the eye doctor for a
checkup, you know, every yearand and how much perhaps more
people could be helped andguided. And
I love that. I'd love the I lovethe way you said that
beautifully.
Said, well, thank you. And Ijust really am so grateful that
you shared so openly. It musthave been, I mean, you even say,

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I guess, that it was sochallenging to really have to
sit down and articulate. And Ithink it's just such a different
perspective, because you livedthe experience rather than just
knowing the experience.
I think the other thing too ispeople maybe believe on some
level that, because you'rereally intuitive and you you

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talk to your guides, and youtalk to loved ones, that we
should know, you know that weshould be able to have the
ability to prevent certainthings, and it's knowing that
you and I are no different thananyone else in the world, that
we are still living in thislife, and we're not always privy
to information, and we have tobe able to be okay. And that's,

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I think it helps people, maybe alittle bit to think that, that
it's no different than the restof us. We all are trying to, you
know, figure it out. We all haveour own compass, and sometimes
the direction goes a differentway, and in just learning to be
kinder to our selves as weconnect with all these people in
our life and that they havetheir journey and path too,

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I thought so important asspiritual practitioners in any
modality, we still have thesehuman experiences, and we still
go through loss, and just forcontext at the. Time that your
husband passed, you had beenworking in your mediumship and
your gifts for about 10 years.
Is that right at thatpoint? Probably, yeah, I'm
forgetting how old I am thesedays. So, yeah, sure, it was

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probably around the hours. And,you know, he was very, very
supportive of the work, and hewas one of my biggest
cheerleaders, but it doesn'tmean that people don't have
their own challenges in lifetoo.
So private struggle is sopowerful, and we do never know

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to the depth of what someone'sgoing through, which you
absolutely so clearly in thebook. Well,
thank you. Well, hopefully ithelps a few people, you know,
and I can be on any type ofloss, some of that was directed
toward the mental health part,just because I think there was
so much shame around it. Andeven his parents were telling

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everybody he had a heart attackbecause they didn't want, you
know, a lot of pride, yeah, andhe was, his dad was a retired
two star general. So you haveall that, that pride going on
and you don't want people toknow, and that can be really
even more difficult for a familyto heal in society too, because
then it becomesa family secret, yes, which, as
we know, a lot a lot ofunraveling of secrets is part of

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healing.
Let's dig into that a littledeeper, like,
exactly, and it's it is so braveto to be able to share it, and
to be able to give people, Imean that I want to call it a
cheat sheet, but it's not quiteit's a couple chapters of like
we were saying, what, what notto say, what's appropriate to

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say, how to give someone spacefor their own grieving process,
and just giving peoplepermission that grief looks
different for different people,which I know you see in your
work as a medium across, youknow, across everyone.
I think a lot of people too,and you are correct. I think
America is the US has moredifficulty understanding how to

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support people going throughgrief too, but it was in a class
in high school or somethingright like this is what to say.
I think the other thing is, whensomeone has an immediate loss,
if they haven't experiencedsomething themselves, they
assume this is what the otherperson wants, and that's where
we're projecting what we thinkwe would want, versus what does

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that individual want? So evenjust asking them, and I think we
think we have to know, versusno, just be curious. Be curious,
and say, What do you need? Andthe person may I don't know,
then go, Well, I'm just here foryou, and he doesn't have to be
elaborate. It doesn't have to bea lot. You don't have to give
them direction. And especiallydon't give them direction about
how you believe. A lot of thework I do, and it could be with

(27:43):
you too, is how it's about ourbelief system. And sometimes our
belief systems are one way,until we've had a significant
loss and our belief systemsbegin to have a challenge. What
do I believe? Where do I go? AndI think a lot of people don't go
to mediums until they reallyhave a significant loss, and
this may happen to you, but theydon't tell other family members

(28:05):
or friends that they're going tosee me, because they don't a lot
of the time, yeah, like, Oh, noone knows about this. And it's
because there is a feeling of,is this real? Can I really hear
until, until they have asuccessful session, and then
they are usually more willing totell a friend or family member,
because there is so much of anegativity that is around what

(28:29):
we do well.
And sometimes they're waitingfor that that kind of in to show
that okay, that this personmight not judge me for saying
this. Or Yes, yeah. It's sofascinating that the way it
works, it's and now, especiallythese days, you know, in the
last however, many years, we'veseen shows on television. You

(28:52):
have your show that I really amexcited to talk about. It's
becoming a little bit morenormalized. But then, on the
other side of that coin. We asmediums, we have the challenge
of the layperson, perhaps notunderstanding the significant
amount of editing that'shappening there and that we
don't, you know to your earlierpoint, we don't do sneak attack

(29:15):
readings where we just jump outon people in a grocery store and
ruin their entire day,they're just not ready to hear
it, you know, yeah. So yeah,there is a boundary around the
way, absolutely,yeah, absolutely. And I think
too, yeah, it is come out of thecloset, which is really nice.
But there are still the peoplethat have a certain faith that

(29:36):
this is not something that theyagree with. But I think everyone
has to find their own way ofhealing. This is not for
everybody. You've got to findwhat works for you. You've got
to find where your healing canbe. And I think it's going to be
unique for everybody. You know?
I mean, I think, I think goingto a medium can be very healing,

(29:58):
but that can't be the onlyanswer. I. Think it's one, one
toolthat could be used, one step on
the journey of you know, as weall know, once someone does
experience a significant loss,it opens up a whole nother
avenue of our journey that wemight not have wanted, but are
getting either way. Soabsolutely, yeah, yeah, it's

(30:19):
interesting. It's all thesedifferent as I'm talking to you,
I'm like, Yeah, you get thelanguage. Someone gets the
language. Ohmy gosh, I am. And we don't have
great language around what wedo, because you're talking about
in the book when we say, I feelthem or I sense them or I
they're they're communicatingthis. It's not the way I always
tell people, it's like theydon't stand next to me and talk

(30:41):
in my ear. I wish they would,but it doesn't work that way at
all. So it is a an educatingprocess as we go,
and I think it's also havingthem understand different
personalities are going to comethrough differently, and the way
you're wired to get a downloadversus me will probably be
different as well. And then theywant to know, well, how do

(31:04):
animals come through? And youknow, so to me, when someone
gets really curious, I love toanswer those questions. But too
you get the real big skepticsthat want, you know, really want
to test so it's all over thegamut. When we come to how
people are wanting to understandwhat we do.
That's so for sure, true, and Ilove that you're showing it

(31:25):
publicly on your YouTube show.
It's called grieving tobelieving a medium's mission to
bring parents peace. It's aseries. What was your
inspiration for that? And willyou tell us a little bit about
the show? Is,you know, I think we, we all
know we're going to die, youknow, it's, it's not a big

(31:46):
surprise, right? Yeah, the onlyguarantee taxes and death,
right? But when we look atanyone that has a child, I don't
care what their age is. Whensomeone loses a child, I
fortunately have not had thathappen to me. I can't imagine
what they go through, becauseit's we're not prepared for
that. There is no way that anyparent can even put their head

(32:08):
around it, because our job is toprotect. Our job is to make sure
that they're safe, make surethat we would like we put our
life on the line for that, forthat child, even if that child
pushes your buttons, and it's achallenge, and it's been
challenging since day one. Itdoesn't matter, and part of it
there isn't really, you know,something that was devoted to

(32:28):
helping these parents. And Ihave so many people that were
clients, that became friends,and they really were letting me
know how they were feeling, whatthey were going through, and how
what people were saying to themand their loss of children. And
it was heartbreaking. It washeartbreaking to hear. So I
wanted to take that avenue alittle bit to let parents know

(32:50):
that you're not alone. There areother people that are feeling
that pain, and it's okay,because people would say, well,
they've been gone a year and ahalf, it's time to move on, or
they're in a better place. Youknow, they're they're with God,
and it must have been their timeGod wanted them. And those are
things that are really difficultand painful for any parent. So
as you said, I try to educatepeople that haven't had those

(33:13):
experiences. But giving, givingparents a place where they know
that we really understand, eventhough I can never understand,
hopefully ever, what they'vebeen through, but having that
community for them. And I thinkthere's a lot of communities out
there that are for people toheal with their grief, that are
just for parents, and I thinkthat's fabulous. You know? It's

(33:38):
wonderful for anyone listeningthere a lot of people don't even
know. How often do we haveclients that don't know that
these groups exist? You canGoogle in your local area for,
you know, parent grief groups,and there are many nationwide,
different organizations doingwonderful work, creating
community for parents that havelost
and this includes parents whohave lost children in utero too.

(34:00):
I think there's that piecewhere, where they're not given
support as much as a parent thathas lost a child that's a teen
or a 20 or 30s. And I thinkthere's that other group that
feels, you know, they're notbeing recognized and validated
and heard. Yeah,that's such a good point. It is.
It can be more of an unseengroup or unthought Yeah, in the

(34:22):
show, are you, I know you'redoing the education piece. Are
you doing readings?
Yeah. So I don't know. We have aproducer that they set it all
up. They interview to, you know,sort of like to know what to
expect and things like that. Andthen I don't know who they've
lost. I know there's going to bea child, but I don't know if

(34:44):
it's in utero, or whetherthey're in their 50s, or how
their child passed. But otherpeople will come through as
well. And of course, usually forbabies come through, but their
child can come through reallystrongly and help them to know.
I mean, I think the biggestintention for a medium is to
help them to know that theirchild. Child or their loved ones
are around and who they're with.
And as we were talking earlier,especially if there's a suicide
or there's a murder, you know,are they? Who are they with? Are

(35:07):
they? Okay, that's, I think, thenumber one question, and then
helping them understand that thechild is seeing, Oh, you know,
you you're traveling, or yougraduated, or you got a new job,
or you moved, so that thatparent and family members can
start going, Oh, start having ita little bit of peace and
healing. I don't, I know, itdoesn't go away. It might change

(35:28):
and shift. And my goal, and I'msure yours is too, is that shift
will help them be able to seesigns from their loved ones. I
mean, that's to me, always thegoal, you know, I don't want you
to depend on me. I want you tobe able to, yeah. I want you to
be able to feel them and connectwith them. Yeah.
And to your point, I mean,anyone I believe, I think you do

(35:48):
too, and anyone can feel sensesee signs from their own loved
ones. You don't have to identifyas a medium or spiritual
whatsoever to be able toparticipate with your own loved
ones. I mean, they they're eagerto science and communicate and
and it's so powerful in healing.
Like you said, a mediumshipreading is not going to fix

(36:08):
everything, but just the theopening of the mind to know I
had one recently. They had losta kiddo, and she was
communicating how she reallyloved that they did these
special ornaments for her atChristmas time every year, and
every year the family sharedstories about her. And it just
it meant so much to the familyto know, like, Oh, she does

(36:31):
know. And we do this that wecarry down in this way for her,
don't you feel there's thatsense of like, almost, their
body relaxes, and I feel thatthere's a sense of, my baby's
okay, my child's okay. And eventhough we want them here,
physically with them, of course,there's a sense of, oh, I can

(36:54):
make that connection. Thesethings I'm doing, they are aware
of. And that's the reason wekeep doing this. We keep doing
this. Work is to give peoplethat little nugget to say they
do see the ornament. They do seethese little tiny things, which
is so cool. Good for you.
I'm so proud of you. It's one ofmy favorite parts of evidential

(37:16):
mediumship, especially if thecommunicator is really making
their personality evident andand kind of being themselves, so
to speak. I think that's sohealing too, because then it's
like, oh, okay, they are that'sthem. They are themselves. You
know, Idid a session years ago. It's
probably now, probably 15 yearsago, 16 years probably 16 years
ago. And their daughter died ofSUDEP, which is sudden,

(37:39):
unexpected death from epilepsy,and we are still friends. Matter
of fact, she raises money forfor epilepsy and does galas and
walks, and I get to fortunate todo be an emcee for some of it,
for their galas. And when shefirst met me, I'm moving my
hands. Her daughter was 15, andI was moving my hands and doing

(38:01):
these things. And she says, Iknew without a doubt you were
talking that was Chelsea. Andwhen that happened, it was
really she said thatno matter what I said, which
came through, but it was all ofthe active things that I did
that made her say, this is her,and that that's what's when you

(38:21):
see that personality, you knowyou, and I don't know that
person. And so that's the powerbehind especially, I think
younger people, I get this withyoung males, especially, they
are in my space. They like tomess with my technology, and
they're very animated, which isa lot of times how their
personality was when they werehere physically, for sure, and

(38:43):
I that's, I love, that when theycan, when the I don't know the
way I want to say it is when theblend is good enough that they
can affect my mannerisms, orI'll say a word, and even as I
say it, I'm like, okay, hold on,that's not what I use at all.
Little Lassie, or, you know,whatever it is, you know, a
funny term. Or I think peopledon't realize that that can be
part of what happens in areading. And

(39:06):
I think for the the individualthat we're doing the session
for, they may hear the word, butjust think it's a memory and
versus it is actually themcommunicating or hearing that
family member. And for you and Ithat's, that's not something
that's not the language, that'snot the words we would use in
the mannerism, but when you passthat on, then they know the word

(39:28):
Lassie or the ornament, they'relike, Yeah, that's what they're
talking to me. They can, theycan put it together. And that's
pretty powerful, in my opinion,yeah. And to your point, someone
that we've never met andwouldn't know, and it's just so
much extra validation for therecipient to get it that
way. I love I have a question,though, yeah, I have some of
them that love to swear. And I'mlike, okay, they're, they're

(39:51):
throwing the F bomb. They'rethrowing they go, oh yeah, that
was them. They were the pottymouth. They were like, I'm like,
okay, so that can be reallypowerful. Like, they're just.
Swearing up. You know, swearinglike a sailor.
Yes, the colorful language is,yeah, funny, and sometimes I
find it similar to you, withyoung males, the the technology
and the moving things like thethey think they're funny, or

(40:13):
that they'll be letting me knowthat they think they're very
handsome. Yes, with a siblingrecently, and she was like, Oh
my God, that's my brother, likehe
would want you to know he's veryhandsome. Yeah,
that's really nice. It's notall, it's not all sadness in the
sessions. Yeah, there are tendermoments, but there's a lot of
laughter that happens as part ofhealing. Do you agree

(40:37):
I actually apologize beforehandand say I will bring in bad dad
humor, and the per the reasonfor that is when it helps me. So
we talked about the energy thatwe take on if you're ever around
a lot of nurses, nurses havesome of the most disgusting
humor, and it's because they'realways dealing with really
difficult situations, and sothat humor shifts those a little

(41:00):
bit. So when I bring in thehumor, it helps them actually
relax and helps them when theirright brain helps them like, oh
yeah. And I always say, I'm nothere to be offensive of your
grief or to be disrespectful,but it does help, and our
memories are better that we canhear the messages more clearly
when we can raise thatvibration. We talked about that

(41:20):
vibration and energy, and theenergy, when you have humor, we
all lighten up. We lighten upthe energy in the space, and it
helps the person hear moreversus, I always say it's the
constipation, you know, wherethey're like, you know, bringing
it like this, yeah? And to havea little bit of humor which can
just kind of balance it a littlebit, yeah, to bring that in,

(41:42):
like, let's take a deep breath.
Sothat's such a good point. Do you
have any kind of a questionthat's just popping in for me?
Do you have any recommendationsalong those lines for someone
that's going to receive theirfirst session, or who's
attending a group reading thetype of energy that they can
bring with them to contribute? Alot of people don't realize the
sitter contributes.

(42:02):
Oh, big time. Matter of fact, wereally talk to whoever we're
reading for sort of theirhomework, and it isn't to make
them feel like we need thathomework. We do it for them,
because a lot of times, and I'msure you've experienced this,
where they think that they'regoing to hear from their mother,
that's what, who they want tohear from. And they may have a

(42:24):
friend from high school thatshows up, or a grandfather shows
up, or a dog that shows up, andtheir ex's mother in law, you
know, and they're like, I don'twant and I've even I don't want
to talk to them. I'm like, Well,I'm sorry they're here. But part
of that is helping themunderstand that there is a lot
of them over there that want tosay hello and to be prepared

(42:45):
that anyone can come through. Sopart of that is when they do a
little bit of homework, thatthey can identify that we're not
spending time, and then theperson that does come through
they want to hear from, we canspend the rest of the session
with that we recommend to havethem understand the language
where talking to a medium, youget this they don't have any

(43:05):
vocal cords, they don't have abody. So we're using all of our
images and senses and and thingsthat we pull together to
understand what they're saying.
So it's energy, and they'rethinking, well, they're just
talking to us. And you can getit that way depending, but it's
a variety of ways depending onthat soul. So it's helping them
really be open. I've gone backto the 1200s and people know

(43:27):
their genealogy, and individualswill think, Well, I didn't know
them well, or they have beengone a long time ago. It doesn't
matter. So it's having them knowthat anybody can come through
and to be open to that, becauseyou and I are messengers, and we
are only able to communicatewith who shows up and when they
are unable to identify. Wealways say it kinks the hose.

(43:50):
We're spending all this energy,because it's almost like you get
stuck. And I've learned that Ican usually move past it, but
sometimes I have someone sostubborn on the other side, they
won't let it go, and I'm likeworking with that person, so I
think it's letting them knowthat, you know, if you are going
to a family reunion, you may nothave seen that cousin in 20

(44:11):
years. Yeah, you know you maynot like that person, but
they're still going to show upand say hello or apologize or
make that connection. So I don'tknow if that's what you do, but
it's really letting them know wedon't know who's going to show
up. They don't RSVP. It's such,it's such a great point. And you
know, I you talk about it in thebook too, that it's, it really
is through the faculty of ourown memory, life, experience,

(44:33):
things that we understand. Theway I always tell people is so
that they can get us as close totheir story, to help express
what they need and want. Butwe're not going to see them in
physical form, because theydon't have that physical form
anymore,right? I will get, I will get
them in a physical form. If Ineed to see that I don't know
how you identify them, there'llbe times I'm like, Oh, wait.

(44:57):
Like, I'll say I. Um, yeah, yourdad's sitting here in the
recliner drinking a beer. That'sall I'm getting. And they're
like, that was him, you know, Iwill get the visual in order to
communicate, but they may notget a lot of communication.
Other than that, is that how youget it too? It's just
like you said, it's a littledifferent with different
communicators. It's usuallythrough those subjective

(45:21):
pictures. It's often I get a lotof thought words songs, which is
kind of fun, especially if I hadone that was they used a
beautiful song for the weddingand then the same song for the
memorial, because it wasn't thatmany years apart. And so that
was such a cool experience tohear that kind of playing in my
head. It's a lot for me throughfeeling and understanding the

(45:41):
emotion that they're expressingin whatever the context is. It's
the emotion is so important. Ithink,
I think the hardest is, I don'tknow
if it's the hardest, just thingsthat kind of come up where
someone is my age or older, andthey think they've only had
three people ever die. Oh, wow,yeah. And you're like, you know,

(46:04):
I probably have had 20 peoplethis year, you know, you're
thinking about it, where theyget very limited that way, or
they want to know the thenickname, or something that I
can't identify or get, orthey're not giving it to me. And
I think there's lots of I cangive you my intention of why
that happens, but I think thatcan be hard, because I don't
think that sometimes people getthe closure at the time, even

(46:27):
though we're working really hardto be that messenger. I would
love to hear your thoughts onwhy holding on to a specific
like catchphrase or nickname.
I've got thoughts on this too,but I'm so curious to hear
experience. I think there's oncein a while, but it's just not,
it's not a guaranteed, yeah, andI think there's a couple pieces.
One, it might be that I don'tget it to keep me humble. I

(46:47):
think there's a piece of that. Ithink it's a piece of the person
trusting that all the otherinformation that they're getting
is enough to be accurate. Ifyou're getting 95% of accuracy,
then that little part, I feellike it's something that I can't
refer to. It's something not inmy dialog, the words I've used,
or in my language. And I thinkthe other part is it's just

(47:10):
sometimes we can't get thelottery numbers, we can't get
certain things. And I thinkthat's part of our ego to keep
us in our you know this, we'regetting what they can give us,
and that's all we can do. Ithink, for the person they
believe I've heard or seenexperience, if I can't get that,

(47:30):
then maybe it's not real. And Ithink that's probably where they
are on the path anyway. Yeah. Soit's part of their journey,
their healing, and they're maybenot ready to hear certain
things.
That's such a good point. And Idon't know if you'll agree with
this, but I tend to encouragepeople to just open up their

(47:51):
mind beyond that, because a lotof times, if they're just
waiting and filtering for thatone, you know, nickname or word,
they're missingeverything else, yeah, and we
can only do what we can do. AndI think that's the surrender
part that can be really achallenge, because we we can get
very attached to wanting them tostart their healing process, and
that's where we have to, like, Idon't believe in letting go, but

(48:15):
realizing that we're only onepart of their healing, where,
you know, they have so manyother factors, and we're maybe
not that one, but then you getthe other person that go, you
just changed my life. I've beenstruggling with this. Now I can
move forward. So then you havethose balances. Otherwise I
wouldn't do this work. So youknow, to me, it's all about the
beginning, the balance of itall.

(48:38):
Oh, yeah. And to your point, wewe may not fully understand
where we're picking them up onthat journey. And, you know,
we're all in a different placeat different times. Absolutely,
I always see it as just beinglike one lantern on their path
just to illuminate that littlesquare. And that's it, and
that's my only responsibility.
Yeah, Ilike that, and that's, that's
what we have to just understandthat we're not there to be it

(49:01):
all for them, and there are somany different organizations and
things that are helpful, andwe're just one little piece of
it. We're one spice in thepasta. You know, so true
to your point and to your I'm sograteful that you did this for
us. You actually have aningredient that people can add
to their sauce. You have a 30day energy shift. We've been

(49:25):
talking a lot about energy. Willyou tell us a little bit about
what that course entails? Yeah,I think, from what I understand,
you love to teach, too, andteaching, I love being a medium,
but teaching and watching peopleget the ahas and starting to
find their own connection to theuniverse, their own ability to
know that they are verypowerful, that they can

(49:47):
manifest, that they can connectwith their loved ones or their
guides. It's such, such a bigthing for my heart. You know,
really? Oh, just this excitesme. So that. 30 day shift, it
goes into energy around yourhome. So feng shui, which is my
passion, and people that becomeexperts in Feng Shui are

(50:07):
actually like 30 years theystudy it. So this is not
something you learn once youit's a constant process too.
There's and everyone has adifferent philosophy on it.
Dreams. Dreams are so powerful.
You know, it's where we connectwith our loved ones and we
connect with our guides and andI think probably like you, when

(50:29):
we are getting messages from theloved one, they're a lot of
times they're metaphors. Anddreams are the same way. So when
you have a dream and you're ableto detect or dissect that
information, you're beingguided. And I'd love for people
to go, oh, that's what thatmeans. That's what you know,
working with your guides isanother piece of it. And I'm
trying to think the fourththere's four pieces to it, but

(50:50):
it's all about you can downloadit so you can do it at your
leisure, but you can go in andgo back and listen to it,
because I think the first timeyou start doing this kind of
work, it's a littleoverwhelming. And there's Yeah,
and they're like, wait a minute,what words are you using? What
does that mean? And what can Ido? So with all of those things,
we're able to learn where ourintuition, Oh, the other one is

(51:12):
chakra, so your energy centers,so, yeah, when you're when your
body feels a particular way, youknow, how can you shift and
heal? And so especially withyour heart, or do you not trust
or you not have a voice? Do younot feel like you can stand up
for yourself? And of course, thethird eye? How do we open up the
third eye? And a lot of peoplewant to open that third eye, but
they're not grounded, andthey're like overwhelmed and a

(51:33):
lot of energy coming in. So it'screating all those balances in
our life. And they're funtopics, and they're all things
that you can do simplisticallyat home. I teach kiss, keep it
simple, sweetie. I believe that,you know, we build upon what we
learn, that foundation and tohave fun with it. So I just love
to teach that'samazing. And it really I love
that it just kind of puts thepower in the individual's hand

(51:55):
of like, Hey, you you feelstuck, you feel like you want to
shift like you want to growlike. Here's some tools and play
and practice. And thebiggest thing I teach is
neuroplasticity, and part ofthat is looking at our brain and
know that we can rewire ourbrain. I was raised in a very
strict religious home, and, youknow, doing this kind of work

(52:20):
was not in my wheelhouse. And Ithink a lot of times we get
stuck because our belief systemsare no longer serving us, but we
don't know how to shift that.
Yeah, so we can start opening upthose other things and looking
at life a little differentlythan our belief systems can
empower us so big smile withyou. With that one. I
love that, and I think it's soimportant to remind people that

(52:42):
it's a it's an unfoldingjourney. It's not like you know,
might not implode everythingright away. It's it's something
we can do gradually, and likeyou said, at your own pace, on
your own time. Ithink people, even when we're
stuck, people are fearful ofchange, because they know what
they're feeling is familiar.
Yeah. So we stay with what'sfamiliar, because at least we

(53:03):
know how to deal with it. Sochange could be a challenge, but
if we look at it, that you dohave the ability to change as
you're comfortable, that can bevery helpful for some
individuals.
Yeah, back to your book, whichI'll link in the show notes for
everyone, so you know where tofind. But you know, you do give

(53:24):
this series throughout the lastfew chapters of these questions
to start asking ourselves, andit's so I could imagine it would
be so powerful, coupled withthis energy shift program that
you have, because it's like,then, you know, shifting and
looking at things and thenstarting to just gently ask some
of these questions about, youknow, like you were saying
beliefs or feel about something,or kind of looking at things

(53:48):
from a new perspective. And Ithink for a lot of people, we
forget to ask ourselves, we lookoutside and see what other
people are doing. That must behappiness, that must be this,
that must be that. But we're allwired differently, and how you
and I, you know, came to bemediums. There may be some
similarities. We haven't talkedabout that, but it's all unique.
You know, we didn't grow up andgo, Oh, I'm going to be a

(54:09):
medium. That was not noobviously in our radar on the
list, yeah, nonetheless. So Iwas very surprised. It sounds
like you may have been too.
People may be surprised thatthey are highly intuitive, but
they've never taken theopportunity to dig into that and
that energy. I have so manyclients that say I'm just so
sensitive. I feel everything Ihave anxiety. Anxiety is a big

(54:31):
thing right now, where everyonefeels with all this anxiety.
Well, if we're able tounderstand it, we were able to
manage it. You and I pay thebills by based on understanding
the energy, right? So when theycan take that anxiety or that
overwhelming sensitivity and beable to say, oh, I can do
something with it. I can, youknow, be able to use it for the

(54:53):
betterment of myself or maybeeven others, it becomes
empowering. So true. That's thebeauty of energy.
Yeah, have to be afraid of itanymore. Or something. Yes. How
amazing is that? It's kind ofthe key yeah thing I think,
well, I just, I just loved thebook so much. It's called
grieving, to believing,discovering the afterlife. And
again, we'll link it in the shownotes. I told you we were going
to do this, and I'm prettyexcited to hear your answers.

(55:15):
We're going to do, oh yeah,spirit speed round our four fun
and easy questions for Deb,let's see her in a deep breath.
Yeah, deep breath. Have a littlefun. Shake it loose. Yes, I'll
shake it all right. Will youshare one thing that really
shocked you or was unexpectedabout your mediumship gifts when
you first started to understandthem?

(55:37):
I think number one, I get askeda lot, was I ever, was ever
scared? Was ever fearful? Wasthat? Did it ever scare me? No,
I mean, and for me, the workI've done, I mean, I've done,
you know, murder cases, workedwith the detectives. I've seen
some horrific things. I havealways been honored that I are
able to be a messenger. So neverafraid. But people have asked,

(56:00):
you know, and I'm glad that Idon't want to watch scary shows,
yeah? So I'm like, I don't wantto watch something that's scary
and frightening. But I think thebiggest thing is that it felt
peaceful. And I think that's thebiggest surprise, is that I
never felt fear based, which Ithink that I came on this planet
probably to be that messenger,yeah? So it doesn't feel it was

(56:21):
never scary.
I love that answer, because itis such a common question.
You're right. If you got tospend a day in the spirit world,
you got the full tour, you gotto spend time with everyone
you've ever known who's crossedover. And it's almost time to
return to your life, and yourguide tells you that you have
one hour left, and you can spendit with anyone who's on the
other side. Who do you chooseand why it can only be one?

(56:46):
No, it's no rules. Okay,good. I like it. No, no rules.
There probably two grandparentsthat I never one of them I never
met, and the other one that Ionly do for a year. I think they
probably are somewhat impactfulto me that I never had a chance
to physically meet with them.
And then probably two of mydogs. I mean, I'm a fur baby

(57:09):
lover. One of them was a goldenretriever that lived 19 years,
and he was an amazing dog. Andanother one was a poodle that I
had as a child. My first dogthat I don't you know didn't
have the opportunity to be therewhen she died. And you and I
know they know that on our humanlevel, there's still that little

(57:30):
piece. So I would love to seethose. I can feel it emotionally
now, probably, but there are somany loved ones. I mean, I have,
I have hundreds of people whohave passed that I
would spend the whole day withthem, so don't yeah. So there,
yeah. That's why I built it.
There we go. Thank you. That's abeautiful answer. Even though we
have spiritual gifts, we havevery human lives. What's one

(57:51):
quirky thing about you thatpeople might be surprised to
learn?
I don't know if they'resurprised, because they know me.
Well, I not very organized,sometimes clumsy, very clumsy.
At times, people know that noman, you know, I have the bad

(58:15):
sense of dad jokes. I think partof it is, I think people think
that you're on all the time. Iremember when I was single for a
while and dating, I think theythought, or I meet someone you
know friends, and they'rethinking, I'm reading them, and
I think, Oh no, I turn it up. II joke. I jokingly say there's

(58:35):
no money on the table. I'm notdoing a reading. And that's not
true, but it's understand thoseboundaries that I don't want to
tune into. I don't knoweverything, I don't know lottery
numbers. I don't know my future.
I I am still stumbling, like yousaid, fumbling to figure it out.
I have to steal that. If that'sokay, I'll give you credit. So I
think, yeah, I think the biggestthing is that they think we know
it all, or we're reading theirmind, and you're not.

(58:58):
I love that because, yeah,people do think that we're
reading everything, everyone,all the time, aware of
everyone's loved ones, you know,at dinner and yeah, if they do
comein, yeah, for us, I'm like, uh,
no, I don't want to, I don'twant to know your stuff.
Yeah, exactly. I love thatanswer. Will you leave us with a
pearl of wisdom? What's onepiece of advice that you wish

(59:20):
you had early on in yourunderstanding of your gifts.
I thought the question was goingto go a different direction, so
youcould give whatever answer you
want.
I think the first thing I wasgoing to say about I thought
about what you know about peoplethat are still here to always

(59:40):
tell somebody that they lovethem no matter what, that's a
big thing. I think the otherpart of it is,
Be okay with the judgment thatcan come with what you do.
I think a lot of times there'sthe one side that really want to
hear from their loved one, andthe other side that has the
judgment. And I think it'ssupposed to be balance. I think

(01:00:02):
we're here to learn, you know,the balance. But I sometimes, I
don't think we realize how muchjudgment that goes with what we
do. And there's been some timeswhere I've had the higher
security and have to do thingsbecause of some threats. And I
never imagined in my dreams,well, just dreams that that
would be an issue? Yeah. So Ithink part of it is the

(01:00:23):
judgment, and you can't take itpersonally. You can't take it
on, and learning that skillmaybe really early on would have
been a little easier, versusbeing a people pleaser.
I think that's something thatevery spiritual worker I've ever
known has struggled with at somepoint. So that's a beautiful
answer. Thank you for that.
Wish it was something moreunique, but I think that's

(01:00:43):
probably, I think that's great.
Yeah, believeit or not, we get really unique
answers from these questions.
Yeah, I'm sure all different. SoI've loved asking the same of
lots of peoplebecause we're not prepared with
these questions. So yeah, that'sgreat.
Thank you so much for being herewith us today. I feel like you
were just gonna say something Iinterrupted
you. No, I'm just gonna say I'mvery grateful to be here. Thank

(01:01:05):
you to share, just to share thiswith you, with another medium.
It's just really an honor.
And I will definitely link allof the ways that everyone can
find Miss Deb Shepherd, alongwith the links to your YouTube
series and your book and all ofyour social media contact. Thank
you all the things. Yes. Thankyou for being here with us today

(01:01:28):
and shining your light.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Well, I could have talked to Deball day. I feel like I say this
a lot about our guests, but wehave some amazing guests. Let's
just be honest. I really lovedgetting to talk to Deb, medium
to medium, and to hear about herjourney, her work. I did read

(01:01:49):
her book, like I said, grievingto believing, discovering the
afterlife. I will put the linkin the show notes for you, as
well as all the ways that youcan contact Deb, that you can
see her YouTube show that youcould potentially work with her
in the future, if you wanted toon any of her courses or
readings or retreats or all thethings that she does. But I just
really, you know, the book wasso meaningful, just because she

(01:02:11):
shares her personal griefjourney and her personal
mediumship journey, plus, like Iwas saying tips about what to
say and what not to say andquestions to ask yourself for
growth. And I really encourageyou to check out her it's called
the 30 day energy shift. I'lllink that in the show notes as
well, so you can start havingsome shifts and opening up of

(01:02:32):
your own or deepening whateverword you like in there. I am
just so grateful to Deb and toher partner, Dana, who really
helped on the tech side andsupports all of her work. We
just have been so lucky to haveso many incredible luminaries
and beautiful souls with us, andDeb is one of those. We are so

(01:02:53):
grateful for your time today,Miss Deb shepherd, and so
grateful to all of you forjoining me and really listening
to me ask my questions of Deband dive into mediumship and the
spirit world and grief and lossand love and healing today, I
hope that you've been able totake something wonderful away.

(01:03:14):
And yeah, don't forget to getthat 30 day energy shift from
Deb. Big hugs. Lots of love. Iwill see you very soon. Bye for
now, from inside spirit, SpeakEasy. You.

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