Inside the Life of a Medium with Michelle Simmonds

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Hey, beautiful soul. In thisweek's episode of spirit
speakeasy, I am so excited toshare with you my dear friend
Michelle Simmons. We met veryearly on in my mediumship
journey. She had already beenexploring her gifts for several
years at that point, but shereally has been such a
meaningful friend. She's such anincredible soul, fantastic

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medium who has so muchintegrity. And I've been waiting
to have her on this podcast,anticipating the day when I was
going to invite her theconversation. I didn't really
have, like, a specific agendafor it. So I love that it goes
in a mediumship direction. Iknow you all always love hearing
about mediumship and kind of thebehind the scenes, inner

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workings of our gifts and how weexpress them. Michelle
generously shares with us somestories from her own mediumship
and her own work. So withoutfurther ado, I'm so excited to
introduce you to my dear friendand amazing colleague, Michelle
Simmons,hey, beautiful soul, welcome
back, or welcome in for ourconversation today, I'm so

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excited to introduce to you myfriend and colleague Michelle
Simmons. Michelle is a spirituallife and business coach,
intuitive medium and the founderof Michelle Simmons coaching,
she helps purpose driven womenawaken their inner power, align
with their soul's truth andcreate lives filled with
confidence, abundance andmeaning. As an evidential

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medium, Michelle also worksclosely with those who are
grieving, offering comfort,healing and connection through
messages from loved ones andspirit, her compassionate
approach brings peace to clientsby providing clear and
validating evidence that theirloved ones are still near with
well over a decade, I'd say,well over a decade of psychic
mediumship and coachingexperience, Michelle blends

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spiritual connection mindsetsupport and soulful guidance to
help her clients move forward,feeling supported, seen and
spiritually empowered. Welcomein. Michelle Simmons, thank you
so much joy. So happy to behere. I'm so excited for our
conversation today. I am soexcited to be here with you. I
was teasing you before westarted recording. I've been
saving you. I've been wanting toask you to be on the pod

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forever. You and I actually metduring some of our mediumship
development. Yes, many yearsago. How long has it been more
than 10 years, I think sinceI've known you? Yes, yes,
exactly, exactly. It's been along time now we've done ours
crazy leadership journey. Yes,it's been, it's been a while.

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Will you share a little bit withour audience about yourself,
your journey to uncover anddiscover and embrace your gifts
and and how that showed up foryou?
Yes, I will, as the so when Iwas, I don't know, 15, had a
couple of little unusualexperiences, and so we went on a

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school trip. We went to a placein Tasmania, which was where the
convicts used to come when theyfirst brought them to Australia.
I was 15 on a school trip, andas I were walking, coming around
the side of the ruins, I justknew what was next. I knew the
building that was next. I knewthe pathway. And you know that
feeling of deja vu, and that wasvery, very weird for my because,

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you know, working out withgirlfriends and just saying, oh
my goodness, look, I know what'sgoing to be here. And it was
around the corner, wow. So thatwas the first sort of experience
where I thought that's a bitunusual,
and then sort of a little littlethings on and off. But I when I
was about 18 and moved out ofhome, I really got drawn to the

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Tarot, and then I eventually gotdrawn to Reiki, then I was drawn
to crystals. And in my early20s, I started sitting in a
mediumship development circleand with my very first teacher
in Melbourne, and so sat therefor years, and since then, the
same as you we've had mentorsand teachers from around the

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world. Yeah, and it's been areally fun journey, but also
really difficult, because, asyou know.
Uh, sometimes our experiencescome in fits and starts, and,
you know, things come alongwhich are a little bit tricky to
handle, and then families andrelationships and things come

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in. But always through that lie,there's been that thread of
spirituality the whole way. AndI've always known that no matter
what happens in my life, thatthat level of spirituality, that
internal guidance on top ofintuition. Yeah, sure, the mind
to mind communication that we'redoing with mediumship with our
loved ones in the spirit worldhas been there to be supportive

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throughall the ups and downs of life.
So that's the sort of strongconstant that I have, that
connection, is that's thatstrength, that inner knowing. So
I don't know if that explainsexactly how and it's so I mean,
yeah, it's so interesting too.
Because I think people don'trealize that as we're developing

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these gifts, whether we've knownabout them our whole lives, are
only for a segment of our lives,it really we we still have this
human journey that is souncomfortable that that we have
to be on that I think we don'talways think of that part. I
mean, I know when I was outsideof it, I thought maybe psychics
and mediums had some like insidetrack to avoiding problems and

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challenges and pain, and that isjust not the case. So that is
absolutely not the case. I thinkwe walk exactly the, you know,
even though we have this sortof, like, heads up about some
things, we still have to, westill have to live our life in
the real world, even though truehalf the time we'd love to be,
you know, with our one foot in,in in the other world, we really

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do just have to be grounded inthis world. That's so true. You
are in Sydney, Australia, whichI should have said to let
everyone know that you're one ofour Australian friends. Will you
share a little bit about what adevelopment circle is and what
it looks like? I don't know ifwe've talked about that on the
pod before. It's not the mostcommon thing here in the States.
And actually, you and I were ina development circle as part of

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a class together, and that's thefirst time I'd ever even heard
of that.
So will you share a little bitabout what that is? Yes, I came
across this lady when I firstmoved to Melbourne. I was in my
very early 20s, and she didpsychic mediumship development,
and I had all it was always aninterest. But, and she looked
like a little elf. She was atiny little lady with pointy

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little ears, and sheshe was very strict with her,
with her teaching and herrespect and the things that you
did and didn't do. And so westarted off with things like
sand trays. I don't know ifyou've done that where, when
you're absolute beginner and youreally don't have the confidence
yet, you someone in the circle.
So everyone would close theireyes, someone in the circle put
their hand in the sand tray.
Sand tray, and then she'd handit to somebody else. And you

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would do a reading based on theenergy you picked up. So you
started on the psychic level.
Interesting. It was very, verygood. And then sometimes they
would, she would hand out like acard upside down, say, Oracle
Card or tarot card. And she wasa fabulous Tarot teacher as
well. I did her course as well,and she you you would guess the

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card, basically, get a feelingfor it, do the reading on it,
and then see if you got theright card, and see if the
person could relate to thereading, because it made you not
work with your eyes and to useyour actual intuition, because
if you couldn't see the card.
And then we did the same thingwith photos. So she would put a
photo, you'd put a photo, or shewould put a photo in the
envelope, and hand out theenvelopes, and you would have to

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put, like, a tiny little penmark so you knew which one was
yours. Okay? And then you woulddo the reading without taking
the photo out of the envelope.
And usually it would be a personin the spirit world that you'll
be connecting to for thatperson. So there were different
exercises for the differentlevels that we were doing. So we

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were doing mediumship on photos,and then you would allow to take
the photo and look at the photoand then tune in directly,
especially if you knew and youcouldn't tune in very well. And
then you could hold the photoand see the photo and tune into
them that way. So that's sointeresting a way to start out
where you guys, because I knowsome groups are what's called
closed, some are open. Sosometimes it's only the same

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people all the time, would be aclosed group where, like, it's,
this is the dedicated circle,and no one else is loud and
open. For those that don't know,is when sometimes it's the same
people, sometimes it's differentpeople. It's kind of anyone's
welcome. Which type of a groupwas this
share two groups so that youwould go in the beginners group
and then you would sit in theother group.

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But I've sat in open circles aswell, and that's fine as well,
because sometimes when you'resitting in a closed group and
you're reading the same peopleover and over and over, yeah,
you get to know them too well.
So the thing is, when a newperson comes into an open
circle, it's like, Oh, someonefresh to read, yeah? So that's
that's sort of fun as well. Butthey both have their advantages,
because the energy develop in acircle, when it's a closed

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group,becomes really strong and really
intense, and then you can work.
You can do even more amazingthings in the circle. Yeah?
Yeah, I've been blessed to sitin some amazing circles and see
some amazing things happen,including physical mediumship.
So I don't know if you've seenthat, where you know something,
yeah, move around the room andthat sort of thing. And I was

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blessed to be able to do that,sit in a circle for a little
while, for a little bit, andthat was super exciting. And do
that. So I've said it all sortsof circles and done it is
because you you don't know whatyou can do until you are tested
or until you try. So it's a goodway to learn. When I feel like

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when someone's new, it can forme. Anyway, I just felt so
anxious, so nervous, so afraidto, like, say the wrong thing or
do the wrong thing. But I thinkthat that's one of the beauties,
for my perspective of the closedgroup, is it just becomes like a
safe little bubble where youtrust each other, and that's why
the energy can grow and you'renot, like, you know, I can say

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anything to you, and it's fine,and, yeah, that's it. That's
exactly true. That's exactlytrue because that is the
trickiest part, is trust and notwanting to make a fool of
yourself. Yes, totally. And soif you know the people and and
you know that everyone is, youknow, has closed lips, they're
not, they're not talking outsideof circle, which is obviously

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one of the rules, then you dohave that safety net so it
doesn't matter if you mess itup. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like
you said, an open circle isgreat, because then you have
different people and differentspirit people to work with. And
it's not always the same. Butfor me, I think one of the
biggest things at the beginning,because I came to the group that
we were in together to figureout, like, am I a medium? Am I

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not a medium? I wasn't totallysure yet. That's a big sticking
point. Often for people at thebeginning is like, am I even a
medium? And did it? Does it goaway? Does it? You know,
my goodness, the number of timesI've said to my husband, oh, my
goodness, I don't know if I cando this, he just rolls his eye.
Because even when you've beendoing it for a while, if you

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don't do it for, you know, amonth or so, even though,
unconsciously, sort of tune inall day, every day, listen to
your higher self, even, youknow, you come down to situ,
it's a new client. You don'tknow them. You don't know how
open they are. You don't know ifthey're trying to trick you and,
you know, test you with withthings, which happens often, as
you well know. So so there isthat bit of anticipation, and

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also because you want to dowell, you're trying to help
people heal. Because, as we weretalking about before, mediumship
is for healing, one of thethings is for healing. And so,
you know, I would say that allthe mediums that I know are
truly empathic and do reallywant to genuinely help people.

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And so there is thatanticipation of, Oh, I really
want to help these people. Ihope I can connect,
you know, because we have noguarantees, as you know,
no guarantees. And then theother hard piece is like, is
that person available for thehealing that can come to them
through the session? It is, andthat's all part of the learning

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for, I think for most of us, iswhat part is our responsibility
versus what part just can comeas like a natural part of the
session itself. That's exactlyright. That's exactly right.
It's a sticky it's a stickypart. I'm always amazed how many
of us, at some point, have donesome training in either Reiki or

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some version of energy like Ithink it's kind of funny. My
goodness, there's a number ofpeople who I've met in
mediumship who started out doingReiki. It seems so many and or
they started in massage, andthen when they do Reiki, and
then with the Reiki just opensup their abilities, yeah, and so
it's just a natural progression.
I mean, mediumship is a naturalThis is my belief. Anyway,

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mediumship, I believe, isnatural, but it's like everyone,
everyone can sit down and playthe piano, but some people are
naturally gifted, in a way thatthey that's really good with
them, with the music and hearingmusic or reading music or
playing music, and then theyhone those skills, and they
become an exceptional, say,concert pianist, yeah. And so I
think mediumship is a little bitthe same, because you hear of

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people who who have said thatthey're the least a mediumistic
person, and then in a moment ofsomething incredible, they hear
a voice, yeah, or they hear amessage, totally. So I think
it's there. And everybody thesame as the ability to play the
piano. Everyone can push thekeys. But I think there's
definitely a whole scale ofabilities. And I think there's

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saying this. So you and Ihaven't talked about this, but
the way my guides have shown itto me is like it's the same
example that you're giving, butthrough sport where, like anyone
can play a sport in theirbackyard on the holiday or in
the summer with their friends,but some people, there are
certain athletes that are morenaturally inclined, or just have

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this potential within.
In them to build to the highestprofessional levels if they
still put in the time and thededication and the, you know,
all of the effort, because itwouldn't get to that level
without all of the focus andconcentration. But everyone can
communicate with their own lovedones. Everyone can sense their

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own people around but doeseveryone want to talk to other
people's loved ones, or do it ona stage or in front of, you
know, strangers? Probably not.
I agree, kind of similar, yeah.
How did you I do? I do have someextra little notes about you. So
there was a time in your lovelylife where you decided to become
a medical scientist.

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How did that happen? And how didyou decide, or give yourself
permission to, like, loop backto exploring your gifts? Was
that always just kind of a partof what was both things
happening for you at the sametime? I'm so curious. I didn't
know that about you until I readit. Oh my goodness, that was the
biggest internal struggle to gofrom working as a medical

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scientist, where everything ismeasurable, everything I'm very
sensible, very grounded, verydown to earth, and then all of a
sudden, on the other hand, I'mreading Tarot cards for my
friends at work and and hearing,you know, passing on messages
from their loved ones, andtrying to to bring those two

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ends of the scale together. Forme, I really did struggle with
because I thought, My goodness,if I'm communicating with the
spirit world and doing all ofthese things, which at that time
I'm talking 30 years ago,was bit sort of out there. It's
more accepted these days. And Ithought my reputation as a
scientist, who you know it, Ireally did struggle with, who am

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I? And I did keep that hiddenfor a long, long time because of
did I accept it? I knew itwithin me. It was it was who I
was. Yeah, I knew it was part ofme. It's just who I was
interested in. But also I didapply that science to my
mediumship when I was practicingand learning and said, Okay,
well, this is the experiment.

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Did this work? Did this notwork? And looking back at it
like that, so that it worked inthat way. But I did worry what
people who knew me as a medicalscientist would think realizing,
and she speaks to people in thespirit world, and she can
predict, or she thinks she cantalk to invisible people. Is

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something happening here? Yes,and deciding when to share that
with people, because, you know,I have kept it hidden from some,
some part of my life, but peoplewho have friends, who are
inclusive. They all know, butthat's that's not hidden. But I
have revealed it to people whoI've really liked and and
thought, well, you know, theythen I'm not going to hide who I

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really am from them. And I havetold them, oh, by the way, you
know, I speak to, you know,people in the spirit world. I'm
pretty intuitive. And thenghosted, because I think they
think that you know everythingabout them, yes, and you're not
going in there to read them. Idon't know what their deepest,

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darkest secret is. No, like, ifthey're not my client, like I
don't, I have my own stuff. Idon't want to know. Well, also,
it's disrespectful to tune intosomebody if you don't have their
permission. It's like, it's likeopening their mail. You don't go
and open their mail. You don't,you know, we have ethics in
mediumship, and one of them is,you don't read people without

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their permission. Yeah, so, Imean, okay, as an as an empath
or an intuitive person, you'vegot to pick up on their mood or
or that sort but you're notreading them. You're not going
you're not like talking to theirgrandma or talking to Yeah,
because you're busy leading yourown life, trying to hold your
own things together and get yourown stuff done. But I think

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people think that you suddenlyknow all everything about them
and and that's sad, because, youknow, I'm thinking of one lady
in particular, she was such alovely person. But I thought,
I'm not going to hide, hidethis. But then, you know, you
can't,you can't predict, oh no, not
predict. But you can't alwaysknow how they're going to react.
Well. And I mean, we're kind ofnot seeking this out and then

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having these experiences just onlike field trips, class trips,
on your own. It seems like it'ssuch a natural part of you that
even though the medical sciencewas a natural part of you, it's
we can be so black and whitesometimes culturally, where it's
like, oh, it's got to be this orthat. And like, why can't it be
all the things I don't think youknow this about me, but when I

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first started training in Reiki,I did all these science
experiments with it, with, likeplants, because I was not a
green thumb at the time, and Ihad like a control group, and I
was measuring water, and wasjust I needed to prove it to
myself, yeah? So funny, right?
No, I was a snake of a nerd.
After all these years, we werefriends, did you? Yeah?

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It I do. That's I love it.
That's all like the work ofProfessor Moto, the gentleman
who did the yes, the water, theice crystals, yeah, Reiki, and
it changes. Or you just evensending, sending love, or
putting love, the word love onthe warmer.
And the results incredible itis. And it's such a for me, it's

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such a profound lesson,especially in self talk, because
we're saying those things evensilently in our mind, and our
body is mostly water, and whatis happening, like, I don't
know, just the Yeah, theinferences like, are big, my
goodness, yes. And you look atsome of the religions, when they
bless their food before theybefore they eat the food. Hello,

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yeah, talk about raising thevibration of food. Or, you know,
bless, your water, before youdrink your your water, yeah, you
know, raise the vibration. Ilove that we're talking about
this, because these are some ofthese little nerdy medium
practices that I don't thinkpeople realize. These are the
type of things we do in our dayto day, not like, Okay, let me
read my you know, whatever, Ireally am trying not. It does

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happen once in a blue moon whereI will, you know, become aware
of someone when I'm out andabout, or I shared a story on go
when I was at the Apple store, Ijust was aware of someone. And,
you know, did give a little tinysnippet of reading that was
really needed. But I typicallyto your point, like, there's
some ethical boundaries that wehave, that we're it's just
frowned upon. I always think ofit as like, you don't know if

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that person's ready to hear,like, maybe they're at their job
that day, not prepared to, like,have a full emotional
experience, right? Exactly?
Although, you know, it's funny,sometimes spirit will step in,
even when they I did actuallyhave that this was with a family
member, andthat that person's father had

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passed away 20 something yearsago, and I closed my eyes on
meditation one day, and I sawthis gentleman, but I didn't
recognize him until my dadactually stepped in, stood next
to him, and I was like, oh,that's And he had a message, and
I passed it on to that familymember. And I didn't know what
was going on with them. I didn'tknow what their but the message,

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and he didn't give anythingaway. When he gave it to me, he
just basically popped in to say,I approve, which was I passed on
the message.
I don't normally do that, but itwas a family member, and they
know me, yeah, well, if theyknow you, if it's a total
stranger, I sometimes will tellthe spirit person, hey, they've

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got to bring you up somehow, oropen the door somehow, and then
I'm happy to help. You know,clever, clever. Exactly, you
know. Because sometimes clientswill come and they'll put you in
a situation which they're notthey're not meaning to do. But
so I've had a lady come and sitdown in front of me and say, I
want to know exactly when mydad's going to die. Oh, geez,

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yeah. Hello, ethics. But b I'mnot God, but you do get a good
feeling for it. But I just wentback to the spirit and said,
Look, you need to give this tome in a way that I'm happy to
share this information, becausethe responsibility of what we
say weighs so heavily on myshoulders. I'm very, very
careful with what I say, yes andabout especially not with, you

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know, people wanting to becomereliable, relying on you to make
decisions and things. Hello,that's not empowering. I'm
definitely all about selfempowerment. Well, so, so So
spirit, basically, they camethrough, and they said that she
would get back in time for thefuneral for her father. I should
know not funeral, she would getback in time to to see her dad
before he passed, which is whather actual question was. Oh,

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interesting. Yeah. So, you know,you get, you get asked things,
and you think, my goodness, II'm not in a position to answer
that and be comfortable withinmyself. So that was, that was
one where I just go back tospirit saying, give this in to
me in a way that I'm I'm happyto pass that message on. Yeah,
had he been ill? And she waswondering the time, the timing,

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you said. She was wondering,could she get back in time? Yes,
yes. So she, what she reallywanted to know was, was she
going to know is, was she gonnamake it back to see her dad
before he passed away? So Idon't know. It was a very quick
reading that I was doing. It waslike a 15 minute reading. So,
yeah, but that's all, that's allshe wanted. She came in, sat
down. I just wanna know when mydad's gonna die. It is so
interesting to me too. I wonderif this happens for you. Of

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like, sometimes the question theperson asks is not the question
at all. It's what they'vepackaged it to be. But like you
said, her actual questionwasn't, when is he going to
pass? It's, am I going to get tohave another moment with him? Am
I going to get to see him? So Ilove, I mean, to me, that's part
of the evidential validation isspirit didn't answer her

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question in the way she hadposed it to you, but kind of
came in a different direction,and was like, actually, just let
her know she's gonna see him. Sowhich was the actual need,
right? Yes, absolutely, youknow, and that's, that's that
was quite healing for her,that she didn't have to, you
know, to worry about. Because, Imean, some of the other healing

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messages, and we were talkingabout how.
A healing mediumship can be is,and some of them have really
stuck out for me. So there was alady whose son had passed away
in a car accident, and she justhad a little niggling doubt
about whether or not it wasactually an accident or, you

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know, it was something else. Andhe came through to tell her it
was an accident. He was justspeeding, and the road was wet,
and so that was very healing forher, because, you know, people
just have that little niggle atthe back of their mind, you
know, is this? Is this? Was itreally this? And and they can
torture them in a kind of way,for sure, forever. So, um, yeah,

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until they come to peace withwhatever they can. But yeah,
sometimes there's such, suchhealing for things like that.
And also,you know, one person it was,
they didn't make it back to thefuneral,
and they felt so guilty aboutnot making it to the funeral,
and spirit came through andsaid, not a problem. Don't let

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it go. It wasn't a problem. So,you know, there's just sorts of
those sorts of things, whichseems like such a little thing,
but it can be so healing forpeople to to let that guilt go.
Or, or someone has a new partnernow, and their partner, do they
know? Do they know about mybaby? Do they know that I've
gotten married? Do it? Yeah, Ilove those Exactly. Or do they

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approve of my new partner?
They're feeling bad aboutwhether or not she wanted, she
wanted, basicallypermission. Yeah, didn't want to
upset, or didn't want to thinkthat her partner was upset.
Okay? So she lost a partner andwas marrying a new partner. In
that case, her ex was in thespirit world, that's right. Then
she had a new partner. It wasjust, does he approve? Yeah.

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So that's the sort of thing thatpeople need. The leadership
brings them healing. And also,as you know, when we're doing
readings, we're teaching at thesame time. So the number of
clients have been well, my myloved one's been gone for five
years or 10 years, or are theystill around me? Or it's I felt
them so strongly immediatelyafter they passed away. I felt

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them in the house.
I can't feel them anymore. Havethey left me? Yeah. So they
think that they're not there,but I'm like, It's not they
haven't gone away, they haven'tfaded. Your memory of them is
fake, because over time we sentit, we tend to think of them a
little bit less, but theyhaven't gone anywhere. They're
still just a thought away. Butthe fact that we're not thinking

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of them as much or as often oras intensely, we think it's
them. Yeah, my favorite is whenit kind of comes up organically
in the reading where I just hadone this week has it's only
Monday when we're recordingthis, but I feel like I'm still
connected into last week,because just been a stream of
days. But it's like, sometimes Idon't know what their question

(27:54):
actually is, or that that's ontheir heart, wondering, like I
had the converse of thatrecently, of like, oh well, I've
just been so much in my grief. Ieveryone else is feeling them.
Why am I not feeling them? Theypopped into a dream early on,
but now I still haven't feltthem. I don't know what's
happening. And it's interesting.
This person's spouse on theother side, brought it up before
they even because I kind of liketo see what comes organically.

(28:18):
And then if they've gotquestions, they can ask him
later. But it was, he wasindicating. And I was like, Are
you you've been feeling likeyou, you don't know why you're
not feeling them around andeveryone else is feeling them
and not you. And they were like,Oh my gosh, yes. And I was like,
Oh well, they're indicating.
Like, no, it's just your griefis loud, or, you know, whatever
it is in that situation. Soit's, it is interesting, the

(28:39):
common threads and the questionsthat people have that maybe the
spirit world kind of gives thatdetail or that message before we
even really know what thequestion is, those are my
favorite and exactly becauseisn't that great evidence?
That's totally what she wasthinking, Yeah, even if she
hadn't discussed that withanybody else, but that's how she
was truly feeling. And thenyou've brought that through to

(29:01):
her. So she's like, Oh, hang on,Spirit. Do know what I've been
thinking? Yeah, they are closeto me, so it's brilliant
evidence those are the best forme, because it's like, and then
sometimes it's depending on theperson, the spirit person,
right? They have personality.
Still they have some of themhave very strong sense of humor,
where I find myself apologizingand saying, like, I don't mean
to be a reverend, but yourperson is so funny, and they're

(29:21):
saying it in this sarcastic way.
And I just had someone just theother day.
It was a different reading, butthe spirit person was saying,
like, Oh, I'm so proud of them.
They finally, like, got out oftheir robe and are putting some
clothes on to go run errands.
And the person was like, Oh mygosh. Now I know it's them,
because I just started doingthat two weeks ago. And it's

(29:43):
those that for me is, I think alot what it is let me know what
you think, but like, it's thoselittle details that they
wouldn't have even thought toask about, but are the most
meaningful and the mostevidential in proving like, oh,
how would they know that? Justtwo weeks ago, I put my robe up
and.
Have clothes on now, exactlysuch good evidence. But I was

(30:05):
just reminding of one that shehad been trying on a red dress
in the and it was just her,obviously the cubicle trying,
trying on the dress didn't lookgood on her. And the person who
came through was like, yeah, itdidn't look good. And I saw you
in the red dress, and it was agood decision not to like sense
of humor. So it was, it was aloving, kind message, but also

(30:25):
explaining to your clients, ifyou didn't ask your grandfather
when he was here for financialadvice, you don't ask him for
financial advice when he's inthe spirit world. Will you say
more about this? Because this isa big one,
but it's true, though it's true,yeah, you know, you

(30:48):
Yeah, you wouldn't be they'rethe same sort of personality,
so, you know, so if they werenot a particularly fabulous
person and kind on this side,they don't suddenly become all
knowing, grow angel wings andsuddenly turn into, you know, a
lovely, kind person, immediatelywhen they pass over, yeah, they
still, immediately after they'restill the same. They do seem to
change over time, and they seemto soften and and learn and heal

(31:10):
and things over time, butimmediately, if they've passed
over. So I had a gentleman comethrough, and he was not a
pleasant read, tuning into hisenergy. And
she was saying he was not, not agreat human to her. And I said,
Well, he's, he's not apologizingat all. He's and she said, if I
had said to her that he wasapologizing, she wouldn't have

(31:31):
believed me. Yeah, because hispersonality hadn't changed at
that point, and he was, he wasstill the same person he was
immediately after. I do thinkthey soften over time. And I do
think that so me, personally, mydad, when he passed away all
those years ago, when he was onthis earth, he was very quiet,

(31:55):
very shy. But now, when he comesthrough, there's no evidence of
that he's he will present toanother medium, if they're
bringing them through he andthey'll say, Oh, he's presenting
like he seems sort of quietlyspoken and shy. But then once
they've brought through thatpiece of information, so I know
who it is, he then, you know,puts it into another gear. You

(32:17):
know what I mean? Let Yeah, no,like team. So it's not still
that same. So they do changeover time. It's been my
experience, but they will comethrough as that original version
of him. Because if someone hadsaid, I've got your dad here,
and he's super outgoing, I'd belike, yeah, that's not him,
yeah. If you didn't like it, Ihave a different understanding.
But, but, but, yeah. So theirpersonalities do stay the same.

(32:40):
Yeah, they have their same senseof humor, their same like, if
they wouldn't have liked thatred dress when they were here,
they don't like it still. Orthey are like, Oh, that's a I
don't like that color on you, orwhatever it is. So it's to your
point. I do feel like it's, Idon't know if it's through the
life review or just through theexpansion of their soul, but I
do, I do notice that often theyare acknowledging, oh, when I

(33:02):
was here, I was like this or Ibehaved this way. And now I
understand, I keep thinking itparticularly with, like a dad I
communicated with recently thatwas like, Oh, when I was here, I
wasn't so warm and fuzzy. Ididn't understand emotional
needs. And now I realize I couldhave been I could have had a
different relationship with mykids, or, you know, whatever it

(33:22):
is. So yes, and sometimes theydo come through and apologize,
sometimes, if they're anapologetic person, but I've also
had them, like, acknowledgesomething, but it's like I can
feel in the energy and theemotion that's like, I want to
move to the apology, and there'sa stickiness, and I'm like, Oh,
they still are not going to givea direct Fauci, and the person
will be like, That's them.

(33:44):
So it happens, yeah, evidence,that is them. But also, I don't
know if you take it, if you goto sort of soul contracts, maybe
that was the role, maybe chosen,you know? So if that's still in
that part of that experience, Idon't know. I don't know. I
don't know until I get overthere understand exactly how it

(34:06):
all goes. I think a lot ofthings are above my pay grade
where I'm like, Yeah, I don't, Idon't pretend to understand all
the inner workings. And I'veasked a lot for my guides and my
loved ones, and a lot of timethey the way that they give it
is like your understanding is solimited, and it's just a sliver
of what's true that is true, butalso so much more than that that

(34:27):
you're not, like, you're notgoing to get it over there, and
I'm just like, okay, that Ithat's fine. Yeah, I have, I
have heard of heard that. I comeacross that before as well. And
also what my understanding ofwhat I was taught 30 years ago,
we have new understanding now.
So it used to be, back in theday,

(34:48):
parallel life, past lives, pastlife. So now it's parallel
lives. So interesting thing,right? Yeah. And so I haven't
wracked my right brain aroundall of that yet, but I.
Yeah, it does seem like a reallyinteresting and it does kind of
make sense considering time as aman made construct. So yes, I
was, you know, I was unwell acouple weeks ago, and during my

(35:11):
downtime, I did a lot ofYouTube, deep diving into
quantum physics and all, justall kinds of strange
subcategories. So it's like, Ohyeah, it's just so much that it
almost I can only absorb bits,and then my brain hurts and I
can't quite wrap around it.
Yes, understand, understand sointeresting. And the other thing

(35:32):
is, like, sometimes as mediums,we don't always know even like,
what good evidence is. Because Ithink people often think we see
the whole movie of the readingor the story beforehand, and I
don't, I don't, I don't knowabout you, but I feel like I'm
feeling in the dark the wholetime. Yeah, so, so they, they
will give us one piece ofevidence, and we hand it over,
and we get that feeling of, didI? Did I interpret that? Right?

(35:55):
So we might see, you know, likesome people, I don't know if
they understand, but say, we, Ias a medium if I said blue
Apple, where you see blue applein your head? That's how I see
my mediumship. I see it in myhead, or slightly, slightly in
front, subjectively, so we mightget a symbol of a red rose. But
also, Was it really that thisperson gave them a red rose, or

(36:17):
is it red rose a symbol of ofdeep love. So we get to
interpret the symbol. So ifthat's open to interpretations,
but once we get the rightinterpretation and we know what
that is, then they'll give usthe next piece of evidence, and
then you tell the story like youget the they give you the story
that they lead you through thestory, because I can't give it
to you all at once, becausethey're working with what

(36:38):
memories you have and whatframes of reference you have in
your own mind. So yes, youexplain a little bit more about
that. I don't,not everyone we have on the pods
a medium and so I don't get totalk this much about mediumship
with everybody, necessarily. AndI don't know that we've really
expanded on or explained muchabout that facet. We talk a
little bit about that,about how they work with us, the

(37:01):
mechanics, yeah, how they'reusing our own references.
Because sometimes in a reading,someone will say, Oh, can you
tell me what they look like? AndI'm like, Well, I mean, once in
a while I can, but usually no.
So I'm like, oh, no, they'reshowing me my childhood home, or
my grandma's house, or my placeI recognize with wood paneling
on the wall, yes, yes, exactly.
So they will which, so it's likesymbols, so you just imagine

(37:25):
that they will go through thefiling cabinet of our brain
Dropbox, basically my rolodex,my final cabinets. And so they
will give me a feeling of asituation, if I've not been
through that exact situation,but they'll find something
similar to and then I'll say tothe client, okay, this is the
situation I experienced, and itmade me feel like this. Can you

(37:46):
relate to that situation? So Imay not get exactly, or they'll
show mea car that say my father had at
some point. And then whetherthey're saying that's the actual
car that they're talking about,or that's the color of the car.
I've got to work out exactly,because quite often, or
sometimes, they'll show me aphoto and you're looking in and

(38:07):
sort of describing it. So itseems to be different for
everybody. It's never exactlythe same every reading. It's
because it means different mindyou're communicating with. So
they're not going to be thesame. And some, as you said
before, are humorous, and someare switched on and and some can
come through. I've had thisseveral times now, and sure you
have as well where you'rereading for somebody, and they

(38:29):
will say, actually, I had thisjust recently. This actually
blah, blah, blah personconnected to me passed away a
couple days ago. The funeral iscoming up in a few days. Yeah,
can you see? Can you get amessage? And I just say, look, I
will try. I cannot guaranteeanything. I don't know what the
situation is. And more oftenthan not, they're good to go.

(38:51):
They're ready with messages.
They're ready for proof. Theycan say how they're feeling, or
what's happened, or who wasaround them when they passed
that sort of thing. And I mean,not, not absolutely always, but
that's happened a few timeswhere this is a great point,
because the truth is, whensomeone comes in to see us,
whether it's on the computer, inperson, for me, I know you're

(39:14):
the same, I don't want to knowanything. I don't want to know
who they're there to hear from.
And so I never, like literally,never know if the person's been
there a day or 40 years. And Ijust had one earlier today that
she said the person had onlybeen crossed over for just a
couple days, and wasn't evensure that they could come so
it's, it does seem like they cancommunicate pretty quickly. They

(39:34):
really can, and I think that'snot a problem from the Spirit
side. But if, if someone is onearth side, and they've just had
a passing and they're deep ingrief, I absolutely would not
recommend them come for areading, because good point,
it's for so many differentreasons. One, energetically not

(39:56):
gonna be able to hear half ofit. Yeah.
Yeah, but also they, like evenmy own, dad been a medium for
decades. He had been gone forthree days before I had got
myself to a space to be able toI actually saw him in my dream.
He just turned on such a realexperience. But that took three
days, and I was a little bitannoyed with myself, to be

(40:19):
honest. Hang on a second. I getmedium. Why am I talking to my
dad right now? Because the griefI'm a normal human, just like
everyone else, your dad passes,your dad passes, there's grief.
And I it was three days beforemy body came, you know, calmed
down enough, and my mind calmeddown, my emotions calmed down
enough to see him, and actually,you know, communicate with him,

(40:42):
so I got over myself, but yeah,it took me three days for my own
dad. Okay, so this brings up areally interesting question that
I'm so excited to ask you aboutthat I've been trying to figure
out over here. So the dreams,some people get the dreams, some
people never get the dreams. Ivery rarely have dreams of loved

(41:03):
ones and certain loved ones.
Most of my loved ones have nevercome in a dream I haven't quite
sorted out yet. And maybe it's aan answer we can't answer. But I
don't know if it's some peopleon the spirit side are better at
doing the dreams, quicker atdoing the dreams. I don't know
if it's something about us inour human form that some people
receive dreams and some don't.

(41:26):
Because I've even had familiesin here where one person has
received the person in a dreamand like several others haven't,
and they're like, I want him inthe dream. Or do you have any
thoughts about how all of thatworks? I think I know I put you
on the spot of it. But that'sokay. This is my just my own
personal view. Yeah, I think, Ithink it depends on us. Because

(41:48):
I have a client, she dreams allthe time, very vivid, gets all
her downloads through, throughher dreams. She is just a
powerful dream person.
Personally, I've had maybethree, three dreams in all the
time. Yeah, so I think if we aregetting enough sleep and the

(42:09):
right depth of sleep that we getinto that that state, I think we
can do, I think they canprobably also insert themselves
in that our dreams as well. Idefinitely, but I think we have
to, I think we kind of need tomeet them halfway. I think they
can help with their energy, butI think we've got to be in the
right space. Oh, and, you know,sometimes you have dreams and

(42:30):
you wake up and you can't quitegrab them. So I think also, if
you practice it, you can getbetter at it. But interesting. I
had a dream so my dad, I had adream with my grandmother. So
same thing, there was no talkingwith my dad, like, as in, if I
was just communicating. I justsaw him, and he looked at me and

(42:50):
smiled so serene. And I justthought, okay, here we go. That
was like his sign, he's good.
He's in peace.
My nana just saw her. Samething, all good. I had a very
interesting dream, and it was,you know, when you're half
asleep, half awake, just asyou're waking up, and I saw my
mother in law,and she was floating a foot off

(43:12):
the ground. She was transparentand shimmering, and she was
crying, and she said to me, canI be on your team?
And I thought, That's a weirddream, because she'd just been
in Australia. She'd just gone,flown home. Wow, healthy as
anything. Not a problem withher. I said to my husband, oh my

(43:34):
gosh. Had a dream about yourmum. She wants to be on my team.
Know what she was talking about?
Told my friend who I sat in amediumship development circle
for five years for told her andsaid, So saw my mother in law
floating transparent crime wasto be on my team. She had no
idea either. Unexpectedly, sixweeks later, my mother in law
passed away. Wow. And sofinally,

(44:01):
my mediumship friend. And I,actually, I also talked about to
another medium friend. None ofus, you know, a millionaires,
would have guessed she waspassing away. She was super
healthy, yeah, and nothing,nothing wrong with her at all.
And, and, you know, it's alittle bit
like, seriously, my husband waslike, why is my mum crying? I
was like, she obviously, hersoul must have come to give me a

(44:21):
message to say she knew she wasgoing to pass. Yeah, and then
could she be on my spirit team?
So fascinating. So even thedream, I said, of course, but I
just didn't understand what shewas really asking. But that was
the weirdest dream. That isreally strange, and I do, even
if we don't consciously haveinformation, sometimes I do
think our souls probably, Imean, I would guess that they
probably know things in advance.

(44:44):
Did you this is probably a weirdquestion, but did you tell her
about the dream, or do you nottell her? I don't know if I
would have told her, but I didnot tell her. I did not tell my
father in law, because it was abit weird. And, yeah, we didn't
always get along the best attimes.
Yes. So that was a bit weird. Idid tell my husband straight
away. Seems like you had justhad a nice visit with her, too.

(45:04):
So what exactly she'd seen theboy, she'd been here, absolutely
nothing wrong with her. Flewhome, and she'd had all these,
you know, they'd had these 50thwedding anniversary
celebrations, and, yeah, she'ddone the trip. She'd done all
these celebrations. So it wasit, it was like perfect, like
everything was like, if youwould sort of sing down to pick

(45:26):
a time. And she actually alwayssaid, always that she never
wanted to bein a nursing home, interesting
or aged care facility, as I callthem now. But so she never
wanted that. So she knew thatshe always, always said that,
that she never wanted that sointeresting. And I do think
sometimes, particularly in thedreams, I know that they don't

(45:48):
always, typically, when I hearabout the visitation dreams,
they look healthy and well, andthey sometimes look like a
younger version of themselves.
But I also know that they cansometimes look totally different
early in my work, when I wasreally only doing Reiki and kind
of opening up for quote, unquotemessages from guides and things,
I had one client, she'd beenwith me for a long time, and I

(46:11):
just kept becoming aware of thiswoman standing next to me that
sort of looked like the womanfrom the Titanic movie with,
like the long hair and thenightgown and The whole the
older woman the whole thing. AndI said it to her afterwards, and
I was like, I don't know if thisis a guide or what this is. And
she said, Oh, that's my mom.
She's been coming to me indreams for years. Initially,
when she first came, she lookedlike herself. And then since

(46:33):
then, she comes, and she lookslike that, and she we fly in my
dreams, and we do all thesethings. So her mom had kind of
changed her appearance in theway she was showing up in the
dreams over the years, which Ithought was so, but she wrecked
her soul. Recognized her. Sheknew that's who it was. When she
would see her in the dreamevent, she'd say, hey mom, and
they'd go adventure. And she'sso interesting.

(46:56):
Absolutely, I've actually comeacross that before. I've heard
about not my own personalexperience,
but the was a child in thespirit world, and then, over
time, presented at the age theywould have been, Oh, that's
cool, when they were comingthrough. So the moving, like,
you know, growing with time. Atthe right they would, which is a

(47:18):
really weird concept when youthink supposed to be timeless
over there, only time is meantto be here. But presenting at
that age was a little girl.
Yeah, I do. I do feel like I'veexperienced that before, where
they even in a reading, it wasthe gal, and I felt like she was
like about late 20s, like 28 andthen in my mental pictures, I

(47:40):
kept seeing her with thedollhouse, and she looked about
six, five or six. And I was soconfused. And I kept trying to
place her as passing away in herlate 20s. And then I just said,
Okay, give me just a second. Letme work with this here. And then
I understood like, oh, no, kindof what you said. She was
little, she had an illness, andthen it's been 20 years she's
grown and wants them to knowmaybe it's just their way of

(48:03):
explaining that to us. It's hardto work that out as a medium,
yeah, when you're doing it,yeah, when you say it is, it is.
And because you're like,thinking, hang on a second. Just
give it to me in sequences, andyou've got to go back and
really. And so do you rememberwhen we were being taught in
class, once they were talkingabout, you reach up, you touch

(48:24):
the spirit world, and then thevibration comes down. They reach
up. You touch the spirit world,you get the next bit. Yeah, you
touch the spirit world, get thenext bit of information. So, you
know, if it's getting to thatbit where you think, hang on a
second, the flow just seems sortof stopped. And I'm getting a
bit confused here, a bit notunderstanding the way they're
giving me the information tosort of go back in and get back
into the zone. If you know whatI mean, tune back in or raise

(48:47):
yourpower, sit in the power, raise
your vibration. However you'regoing to do it and get back in
that zone. Okay, give it to meagain. Give it to me in another
way. Yeah. I can make sense ofthis. Yeah. So they're so
gracious with me, I feel likethey are constantly giving it to
me in another way. When you weretalking about the roses, I had
someone not long ago that keptgiving me this really intricate,

(49:09):
you know, little tea cups withthe saucers that have the little
roses. And that was correct, andshe but it was sticky in the
energy of the reading, and itwasn't quite flowing. And I knew
something wasn't quite right,and then I kept seeing it again,
and I was like, I'm definitelymissing something. And then I
was like, hold on. You havesomeone whose name is Rose,
actually, who also had theseteacups. And she was like, Oh my

(49:30):
gosh, yes. So I feel like theproblem is always with
me for with them, but they're sopatient. We're doing our best,
but it is hard to, you know,you're never quite sure if
they're giving you exactly thething or the name or the symbol
or the rose can mean healing,or, you know, all the things you

(49:53):
know, just Yeah, and they alllike you said. They communicate
so differently, just like peoplecommunicate differently. They
some I feel like there's a.
Lot more pictures, some it'smore audio. Audio, clear
audience, internally,subjectively, inside my, my
brain, yes, sometimes it's justthe knowing. Sometimes I just
find myself saying things andI'm like, Okay, I don't know.
I'm just gonna say these things.
So well, fascinating it is, andit's lucky we do have those

(50:17):
other faculties and way ofpicking it up so that we can
bring through information frompeople in the spirit world who
never spoke English, so that'sthe best Yeah, yeah. Or who are
nonverbal completely, or whodidn't, yeah, have any ability
to communicate our languageso you get the feeling of it, or
they can show you the image ofit, to give it to you in a way

(50:37):
that you can pass on that theperson understands, you
know what, what the message is,and who the person is. Because
sometimes you've got grandma onthat side, grandma on that side,
and there's another grandma aswell, and someone who's like a
grandma, and you've got to splitthem all up, you know, yeah,
who's who I feel like the spiritworld at this point in my work

(50:58):
anyway, it's grown a lot overthe years, and hopefully it
still keeps growing. But I feellike, what I'm always telling
people, if they say like, Oh,I've got, you know, three
aunties that were just likethat, and I'm not sure who you
have, I'll say like, Don'tworry, let's just keep working.
And they will continue to giveinformation to identify
themselves from the others. Andinevitably, they always do. And

(51:18):
there's one bit that isdifferent. Or, you know what I
mean, soaks them in from theothers. Exactly. I go into
exactly the same thing and say,Okay, how do you know? How would
you just, how do I pass on theinformation? Oh, she used to
love to dance, or, you know, orthis one thing,
she was the one who, you know,they do. They often like to come

(51:42):
back and say, because sometimespeople have in their their some
of the final memories they haveof their loved one is that
they're not well in hospital.
That's true. And they've got gotthings wrong, and they'd like to
come back and confirm that I canwalk now I can eat properly, now
I'm not in pain anymore, yeah,so that they healed, can have
their healing from themediumship reading, yeah. So

(52:04):
that's, I mean, that's the wholepoint. We're doing healing, and
sometimes it's healing inadvance. I had this last week
where the message that camethrough was something was about
to happen, tryingto say it in a way, but, you
know, confidential, I'll justkeep it really general, but I'll
keep it really general, butthere was something that was

(52:24):
about to happen on a globalscale, and this was going to
impact this person and and herwork, okay? And so spirit came
through and said, This is goingto happen.
It is going to affect, it'sactually going to make your work
more difficult, the work thatyou do,
and don't lose hope, becauseactually, your work now is more

(52:47):
important than it ever was. Wow.
And so she was like, okay, youknow, you know, you don't know
until it happens. Yes. And thenwe had an email exchange going,
don't give up. Don't be upsetabout it. Keep going do what you
need to do so that,you know, yes, it's harder, but
they were trying to thespirit world gave her a message

(53:09):
to ease her grief before she hadthe grief to pre encourage, my
goodness, yes, because she, shesaid, you know, she often
thought about just throwing inthe towel and walking away.
Yeah, they're like, no, no, no,it's going to get hard, but you
need to keep going, because it'sreally your work is needed even
more so. So it's interesting. Sothey will bring through a

(53:30):
healing message to preempt asituation. And so those are so
fascinating to me. And I thinkone of the most important things
I don't know, that I think toremember for anyone who might
get a reading someday is thespirit side. Knows the greatest
need of our soul is often theway we say it, or the need of
your heart, or what's what'sreally been on your mind or
troubling you, or what you need,right? And sometimes the

(53:53):
questions that we might think toask or the catchphrase we might
think to like, wait for is noteven the best that the reading
could be. It's this, like, Hey,you don't know about this yet,
or I'm thinking of one. I knowshe wouldn't mind me sharing
this. It was like a family groupreading, and her brother's on
the other side, and he wassharing with me that she was

(54:16):
pregnant, and I didn't knowthat. Everybody didn't know
he wanted to be the one toannounce it, but he was that
kind of personality that wouldwant to, like, steal your
thunder and announce it. And soit's kind of hilarious, but it
was exactly what the familyneeded in that moment to really
believe it was him, because itwas things that they didn't even

(54:37):
know. And so I feel like, youknow, I have a little bit of a
pet peeve about the catchphrasething. I'm excited to talk to
you about that for aminute. So it is, it is really,
really difficult. So yes, andyou know this, but I'll share it
with the audience, yes. So I dida reading for a lady she'd lost
her grandfather. This is 20years ago.

(55:00):
Plus. And so it's okay, I canshare 10 years when I read in
your bio, 10 years, I'm like, 10years, Michelle,
oh, it's just very humble. Butit was, yeah, so she,
she came to me and I gave herthis reading, and it was, he was
a really good communicator. Hewas a really good communicator.

(55:21):
Came to a game, but I 15 minutereadings, because I was doing
this is, like, so long ago, wayback when I did psychic fairs
and did readings there to getmy, you know, get my practice
in, yeah, and at the end of it,she said, but I had a code word
with my grandfather, and so shewas ready to dismiss all of the

(55:42):
evidence she just had for thisone code word. So my heart sank,
and I thought, oh gosh. So Iwent back to him and said,
Please, you know, grab what itwasn't I want the code word.
Please show me the code word.
And all I could see was colorsand this painting. And i My
heart sank. So I went back toher, and I said, Look, really
sorry I didn't get a code word.

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All I can see is these paintingsand these colors describe them
to her, you know, for this. Andshe said, Oh, actually, that's,
that's what it is. So she'sactually trying to trick me into
saying, Oh, it's this word. Andit clearly, it wasn't. It was
obviously a painting. So thatwas her code for it, and it was
only that one piece of evidencethat she was like, Now I know my

(56:25):
grandfather's Okay, and I'mthinking, I've just given you 15
minutes.
It's about your grandfather,right? Yeah, it's a little bit
frustrating, because I don'tknow why the first thing out of
his out of his mouth, but thefirst message was painting,
painting like, why didn't hejust, I don't know. I will never
know. I wish he had. I alwaysthink it's because maybe they

(56:48):
like, they have to get me tounderstand it in a way that I
will give it like, I'm not justgonna give random words. That's,
I hear Mavis in my headsnatching, that's snatching
that's like, very like, random,and makes no sense. And so they
have to give it in a way that Iwill talk about it or say it, or
so maybe if he would have justsaid, painting, painting,
painting, you would have beenlike, I don't want to. I don't
know what I need, somethingdifferent.

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Yeah, yes, but I think, I thinkit's hard. I can understand why
somebody would want a coldcourse. Yeah, of course. But
what if the main name justcousin doesn't, cannot catch
that meaning or that word, orwhat if it's a word that's not
in their filing system. Theydon't know. They don't have a
symbol for that word, for theirspirit team or and maybe they

(57:31):
just don't hear it auditory. SoI don't know. I can understand
why you would have a code wordtotally but also,
you know, maybe not dismiss theentire reading if they come
especially everything else was.
I mean, the way you and I aretrained is to give specific
details, not just to say, Oh,it's a man. He has an M in his

(57:53):
name. That's all I know. Like,I'm sure you gave much more
detail about him as a humanbeing that would have shown that
that was him versus anyone else.
But do you know some people,they in a reading, they only
want to hear from one person?
Yeah, they only want to hear onething, or one code word or and

(58:14):
they're closed to everythingelse, and it makes it a very
difficult read. It is hard. It'shard work. Because, you know, I
know you know this, but it's ourenergy, their energy, the energy
of the spirit world who iscreating this link. And if
they're going to sit there andsay, prove it to me, and you
usually still get theinformation through, it's just

(58:37):
so much hard work, well, andit's just, I always think, like,
it's just not what the readingcould have been. It's just not
where it could have gone to,because they're not in a place
to allow it. Maybe,yes, and I don't know it, and I
can understand why they would beskeptical. Why do I want it in
brackets test the medium. But Ithink you get to the point me
like, my gosh, I've been doingthis for so long, like it is

(58:58):
what I keep thinking of. It'skind of like, similar to your
story, where this young man, hisdad, had passed away. It's been
a lot of years now, and he kindof similar, like the whole
reading, lots of detail, lots ofthings we had been discussing
how he had his dad's car andrestored it since his passing,
and done all these things, andit was in a car show and all of

(59:20):
these things. And at the end, hesaid, but can you tell me what
my dad called me as a nickname?
And what happens for me is myhumanness immediately ignites.
My brain comes in. I get somesort of, like, internal panic.
I'm just like, I don't know. Idon't know at all. And the crazy

(59:41):
thing, not crazy is probably anice word. But the strangest
thing was that it was such anormal it was like, buddy or
something. It wasn't even like aunique, special, specific
nickname. It was kind of ageneral nickname. And I just was
like, okay, but like, to yourpoint, I mean, I understand why
someone would want that onething they.
Wanted. And I had another onerecently that was a parent that

(01:00:03):
had lost a kiddo, which I thinkis the worst possible scenario
that can happen for a parent.
And I had given the wholereading, and then all of a
sudden, at the end, I even feltlike this kid didn't really like
the water, didn't, you know, Ijust was aware of it in the back
of my mind. And at the end, Iwas like, This is so weird, but
I just need to talk about, like,did you guys take a cruise? And
she's like, that's the thing Ineeded him to say, to know for

(01:00:25):
sure it was him. And it had beena whole reading of all this
detail. And I just was like, ohgod, that's a dicey, dicey
proposition, isn't it? Becauseour humanness does kick in. It
doesn't matter how long we'vebeen doing this that we want to
serve? Yes, we want to serve theclient in front of us and serve

(01:00:46):
the spirit world. Yeah, we wantto do a good job. And then, but
we our self doubt kicks in. Go,hang on a second. What if I get
this wrong? You know, they'regoing to disregard everything.
And if we just calmed down, justwent, Ah, it just feels like
body then, yeah, but you just, Ithink, I don't know, does it
come with time and experience?
Because I'm still not thereyet. I don't know. That's a good

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question. I mean, maybe some,because I definitely have, well,
you said it at the beginning.
It's in fits and starts, right?
There's times where I feel like,oh, wow, things are going really
well, and everything'sdeepening, and these are such
specific details. And thenthere's other times where I just
don't know if I could find aspirit person to save my life,
like it's just it is just likethat, I think. And that's why

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the thing with mediumship, it issuch
a difficult career choice. Ifyou're gonna call it calling
path to walk because you're notdrinking alcohol beforehand, so
you're not, you know, you'reyou're staying off the sugar.
You need to have your sleep. Youneed to have had time to rest

(01:01:50):
and meditate. You need to havegot yourself into a space. It's
not like you can just rock up towork, you know, tired or
exhausted, or whatever, youcan't your work starts days
before, so true. There's so manyfamily members I can't speak to
the day before. I'm if I havereadings in the day, I like, I
won't speak to my dad. Sometimeslistens. I love you, dad. I

(01:02:10):
won't in the day forever readingbecause I don't know, and I get
frazzled, you know, yes, I, Idon't. I stay away from, you
know, YouTube or or, yeah, thatsort of no scrolling or
anything, because, and I alsoknow that when I'm getting ready
in the morning to be switched onready, because the messages are
coming through, whether I'mtrying to blow dry my hair or,

(01:02:32):
you know, getting the makeupdone, get ready, get everything
sorted, ready for the reading.
And the messages are starting tocome through before you even get
there. And I say, Hang on asecond. Recorder here, you can
have to come back later when theclients are from, yeah? Or just
certain details that you'relike, Oh, that's really weird,
that I'm noticing that housenumber is that, you know what I
mean, yes. So they start to getthe heads up, yeah. You start

(01:02:53):
seeing the same thing, like yousaid. And then you realize, hang
on a second, you know, I'mhoping this is for the first
client I'm reading and not thesecond, yeah, which client it's
for, thenthe choice of mediumship, same
as you. I always say, like, Comeback, come back when it's time,
and come a different way.
Because otherwise, if they, if Iwas aware of someone earlier,

(01:03:15):
and then they come back in thesecond session, let's just say I
get doubtful and I think, like,Oh, that's my mind creating that
because I felt that earlier. Andso I've even told them, like,
you've got to come a totallydifferent way if you've already
come. Yes, I do that all thetime as well. Because if you've
read someone a couple of timesover the last few years, and you

(01:03:35):
not that you remember thatstuff, but if you've read them a
few times over the years, andyou know that you've read the
whole family, so you kind ofknow the bits that are going on.
I do the same thing. Give it tome in a different way. Give me
something you haven't given mebefore. Yeah. Give it to me, you
know, so that I know and I andif I do remember something, I'll
say to the client, look, I canremember last time we spoke that
this happened, just give me yourheads up. And then the rest of

(01:03:58):
it. I can't remember because Idon't usually remember a lot of
this stuff, but if I doremember, I will tell them same
Yeah. I'll say the spirit, well,give me, give me other stuff.
Don't go back in on the samelink. You know what I mean,
yeah, I'm sorry. It'll be kindof, yeah, kind of like you said,
like, I know we've talked aboutthis before, but also, did you
do this? Or, you know what Imean, I'm aware of this whole
other thing, because the truthis, we have so many stories of

(01:04:20):
our lives, especially ifsomeone's lucky enough to get a
lot of years and pass away intheir senior age, it's so many
little, minute memories that wewould have shared over the years
that they really can bring allkinds of things. They absolutely
can so many things and thingsthat you've you know, the
person's even forgotten sototally you bring through the

(01:04:41):
message, oh, yeah, I completelyforgot. Blah, blah, blah. I love
those, whatever they used tocrochet doilies. Yeah, that's
right. But the reason thatevidence is so good is that
person wasn't sitting there withthat in their mind, like it
wasn't in their psychic energy.
You're not, yeah, you're notreading that. You're it's
something that they, you know,do.
Know weren't aware of wasn't intheir thought pattern. So you're

(01:05:03):
not, so you're proving thatyou're, especially if they have
to go away and you give them apiece of information, they're
like, I don't know. I need to goaway and check that with another
family member. Yeah, I likethat. That's so good, because
then you couldn't possibly havebeen reading that person
energetic. Yeah, exactly.
They're, it's the spirit worldis so, I mean, they have,
there's an intelligence therewith them that's so fascinating,

(01:05:23):
and it's so compassionate, yeah,yeah. So they're so
compassionate, having said that,they are compassionate, but it
can be firm, yes, without theirpersonality, they can
definitely, yeah, be very directand firm and tell someone's

(01:05:44):
business entirely, sometimes,yeah, exactly, exactly, and also
tell them if they, you know,sometimes they think they need
to be putting a bit more effortin or doing something in a
different way that they willYes, You have
to be very careful about how youshare that information. I had

(01:06:05):
someone come recently, and itwas their their grandma
communicating from the otherside. And it was about to be
holidays, and they were tryingto make some of the grandma's
recipes, and she wanted tospecify and let the
granddaughter know to tell themom that she was leaving out,
like, pistachios or somethingvery odd and specific of the

(01:06:25):
recipe. And the girl was like,Oh my gosh, I can't even
believe. Like, Yeah, my momhates those pistachios and
leaves them out every time. Andthe grandma was like, well, it's
not my recipe if it doesn't havemy ingredients. Kind of a sassy
grandma, perfect,perfect. Someone is wondering if
they because I believe sometimesour gifts are we're aware of
them when we're kids, andsometimes they rise to the

(01:06:46):
surface later in life. Ifsomeone is wondering to what
degree they have mediumisticgifts or how to start even
dipping into that water ofunderstanding. Do you have any
like tips or thoughts ordirection for people,
I think meditation, yeah, and isa great way to get yourself

(01:07:09):
centered and get your energyright, that you can open those
gates for communication. I woulddo some reading. And there's so
so much out there, like justread about the basics of it, but
also find yourself a really goodteacher and mentor. Yeah, and
get a get a group together. Andit's really easy to get in sit

(01:07:30):
in groups online these days.
That's true. Yeah, and do yourdevelopment and sit in
development. And sit indevelopment for years, because,
you know, even if you are bornincredibly gifted, the practice
is just going to make it betterand stronger. Yeah, that's
great, actually. Also, yourguides are going to train you,
so the guide, your guides, willgive you information. So you

(01:07:52):
don't want to all come out beingexactly the same, because you've
all had the same teacher, andyou've all come out like little
robots of each other doingexactly the same way, because
everyone's guides are different.
Everyone's personality isdifferent. So I think you'll do
it in a way that suits you andyour team and your mediumship.
And mediumship is changing. It'snot exactly the same as it was,

(01:08:14):
you know, way back in thein the days when 1800s in in the
UK and things like that, andeven earlier in the US and
things have changed, and I thinkit's always progressing, but I
think you need to understand thebasics of it. I think I also
really passionately believe thatit needs to come with personal
development, because justbecause someone's a medium does
not mean they are have donetheir personal development work

(01:08:37):
and done their healing work.
Yes, I am so glad that you saidthese things, because I'm
constantly saying, like, I hatethat this is the answer, but
it's meditation and personaldevelopment that creates the
conditions for the learning therest. You know what I mean. So I
hate that to the answer. But itis,

(01:08:58):
it is, and I know there's somepeople who say, you know, they
don't do mini chip and thingslike that. I'm not ministry.
They don't do meditation and butthat's what I mean. It's
different for everybody. Likeyou do you like? Do what works
best for you? If it's not kindof working for you, then maybe
try some of the other ways.
Yeah, there's lots of ways.
Yeah, put your scientist sort ofcap on and run some experiments.

(01:09:20):
Do I do better if I've donemeditation? Do I do better if
I'm really, real well rested? DoI do better if I do a meditation
that raises my vibration beforeI do a reading, as opposed to
drop down into a calmingmeditation right before you get
to work? For me personally, Ineed to my energy to be up, not
sort of drop down into a deep,deep, calming meditation where

(01:09:45):
my energy feels like I couldalmost go to sleep. So that's
just for me different toeverybody else. Yeah, it's kind
of how I feel about the thingwhere you'll hear some people
say, like, oh, I had to totallygive up alcohol, or I have to be
a vegan, or.
Sure. I do think for somebodies, that's probably true.
Test it on your own body. Isalways my belief, right? Trial

(01:10:07):
and error, yes, run your ownexperiments. Be a little
scientist and run your ownexperiment. Experiments. See
what works some people, youknow, they they do really well
with crystal healing bowls andgets their vibration set like
you just do what works for you,like just but you, you are the
one who has to do the work tofind out what works for you. And

(01:10:28):
it is work. Yeah, it is work.
And I think the personaldevelopment, I don't think
anyone is exempt from that,because for me, the way I
explain it to people, and I thisis an Andy Bing teaching, I
think. But if I have an angerabout something, let's just say
that I'm not willing to, likesay I'm angry at my I don't know
sibling, and I haven't processedit in a way that I am available

(01:10:51):
for the spirit world to accessit. They won't be able to access
that part of me because I've gotit kind of closed off or walled
off? Does that make sense?
Exactly? Yeah, exactly. Andalso, you know, as we get older,
we have more life experiences.
Yeah, we can relate to morepeople with more empathy as we

(01:11:13):
you know, we've lived throughcertain difficulties and certain
situations and all of thatexperience of who we are as a
human and and our personaldevelopment work we've done to
get us to where we are, and youknow, certainly not perfect
here, still doing personaldevelopment all progress, still

(01:11:34):
working on myself, exactlyabsolute work In progress, and
always will be. However, themore of the self development you
do, the better a medium you canbe. Yeah,
well, and I think kind of justto bring it full circle, I feel
like for me, anyway, it's notjust providing healing for our

(01:11:57):
clients on this side and theother. I know through my
mediumship, I've healed to suchdeeper levels and come to such
different understanding aboutmyself and people in the world
and emotions and all the thingsthat I think some of it is our
healing through the work too.
Yeah, absolutely, it's healingfor us. How many readings have

(01:12:19):
you done? There's been sohealing for that person, and
you've got learning out of thereading every time,
every time, it's incredible.
Here we think we're doingreadings, and it helps heal the
client in front of us. Weexperience the healing as well,
yeah, and we or the and theunderstanding or the way they've
explained it, because everydifferent communicator is
explaining it in a differentway. Oh, okay, or giving them a

(01:12:42):
different way for so that, youknow, the communicator might
come through and give them a wayto do a particular healing
process on themselves, right?
Oh, I didn't know you could dothat. Or that's a great idea for
that, yeah. So such a it's soit's always so interesting. It's
not easy, but it's veryinteresting work. It is. And I

(01:13:06):
love this is my nerd side. Ithink I love that we're never
done growing and learning. And Imean, Mavis used to say that 50
years a medium and was stillconstantly learning and being
taught new things. So Bucha,yes, what stops us getting
bored, doesn't it? Yeah, that's,that's the best part. I didn't
realize we've been talking solong already. I want to ask you

(01:13:27):
our spirit Speed Round questionswhile I have you, are you up for
you up for the speed? Round,Okay, I'm ready. Pressure, okay.
Will you share one thing thatshocked you or was unexpected
about working with the spiritworld or working as a medium.
One thing that shocked me, yeah,sometimes it can be really easy

(01:13:47):
and it just flows. Andsometimes, like we just said, it
can be really hard, yeah, and Isuppose that's, that's the it's,
it's not just a button. You canswitch and turn on, and there it
is again, ready to go. It's,changing all the time. So
shocked me is that it's acontinuing process that is
always changing. I suppose Iwasn't expecting I thought maybe

(01:14:08):
you learn it, you do the course,and you practice like everything
else, you climb that ladder, andthen that's where you are. Yes,
this is shocking to me too. Youlearn to drive a car, then you
can drive a car. It is done. Andthe concern about, oh, I'm going
to drive here, it's not youjust, you just drive a car. It's
just, is you don't even thinkabout it now, but you still have

(01:14:29):
to think about it with themediumship. You're still making
sure that you're getting all thebasics right. So maybe that it's
just, it's, it'sjust an ongoing process, yeah,
but that's a great one. If yougot to spend a day in the spirit
world, you got the full tour.
You got to spend time witheveryone you've ever known who's
crossed over, and it's almosttime for you to return to your

(01:14:52):
life, and your guide tells youyou have one hour left. Who do
you spend it with? And why? I.
Oh, my goodness. I know this hasprobably been said before, but I
would probably have a chat toJesus
and then ask to explain a fewthings,

(01:15:14):
which I still feel a little bitpuzzled about, things that don't
add up because of changes in theBible and things like that. So I
think I'd really like to knowwhat is the exact, exact truth?
Yeah, that's a great that's agreat one. I have a lot of
questions too.
Even though we have thesespiritual gifts, we have very

(01:15:34):
human lives. What is one quirkything about you that people
might be surprised to learn?
Quirky thing about me. Yeah, Ilove healing with essential
oils. I don't know how quirkythat is, but I genuinely feel
that essential oils have such ahigh vibration, it's so healing.
And I've had my own experienceswith myself and my family, and I

(01:15:56):
just think essential oils are agift to this planet. That's
really when it's done in a waythat protects the planet,
protects the plant, protects thepeople who are yes, of course,
when it's all done in the rightway, all the things, but I think
that there's a lot of healing inherbs and essential oils. Yeah,
that's really cool. I agree.

(01:16:19):
Will you leave us with a pearlof wisdom? What's one piece of
advice you wish that you had hadearlier on in your understanding
of your gifts,that it keeps changing, and that
the way they communicate withkeeps changing, and it is ever
evolving, and you just learnmore and more, and you just
don't get to the end of the theend of the line. There's no one

(01:16:42):
and done. It is ongoing. So Ithink it's always spiritual
exploration of ourselves ourabilities, and opening up our
hearts as much as we can, andhealing ourselves as much as we
can to help heal other people onthe planet. Well, they heal
themselves. Beautiful to aidthat. Yeah, I love that. That's

(01:17:04):
a great one. Thank you. Well,will you tell everyone how they
can work with you? How to get intouch with you. I'll link
everything in the show notes, ofcourse. But yes. So it's
www.michellesimmons.comand it's Simmons with a, d s, I
double M, o, n, d, s, or justemail me at
info@michellesimmons.com,yes. And so I do.

(01:17:30):
I do. I run a course to do withhelping spiritual women grow
their gifts and theirbusinesses. So that's quite
popular. Or I do a I haveanother popular one, which is
for a 12 month once a month,tune in, check up, coaching,
spiritual life coach, and thenthat's just 12 months to get
them to their goals. You've alsogot a really cool money mindset.

(01:17:55):
Download with a lot ofjournaling prompts. And I highly
recommend everybody get that.
I've got it. It's very cool. SoI do do a lot of my work with
helping them with wealthbuilding so because, for some
reason, there seems to be that alot of spiritual women who have
these businesses, whetherthey're spiritual or not, but
you know, whether they'rehealers or therapists, sometimes
the money doesn't seem to gohand in hand with the caring

(01:18:20):
work that they're doing, andthat's one thing that I
certainly amreally passionate about, is
empowering women with theirmindset, with their finances,
with their businesses, so theycan live the best life that they
would choose to live well. Andthe truth is, this is one of
these areas of pesky personaldevelopment, that most of us

(01:18:42):
have a lot of things that weeither learned in our family of
origin or our culture or we havestickiness around so this counts
for personal development. Itabsolutely is, because it's to
do with you know, are we enough?
Do we know we're enough? Do wethink we're worthy and deserving
all the things? Can we receiveall the things. And you do offer

(01:19:02):
mediumship readings as well,right? I absolutely do. I do so
they can do one on one readings,one on one coaching. They can do
12 month coaching. So it's, youknow, there's a lot of options.
There's an option there foreverybody, but definitely sign
up for that freebie and get onthe list so you can find out
everything else. And of course,I always link everything in the
show notes, because I could notremember a website name to save

(01:19:23):
my life, so it's down there tojust click the link. I'm so
grateful for you in the worldand your friendship and you
being here, and you know, I justadore you, and thank you for
being here with us and shiningyour light. Oh, thank you so
much. And just love and hugs toyou across the ocean. And I
appreciate being here, and I'vereally enjoyed our chat. It was

(01:19:43):
so much fun. Good.
Well, what did you think aboutthat conversation into
mediumship? Kind of a little bitof a deep dive into some of the
inner workings of it, what wedo, how we each feel as mediums.
I know Michelle and I.
Are kind of similar, but we alsohave differences in our thoughts
and the way we work. So I lovethat she's so generously and

(01:20:06):
open heartedly shared with us.
Some of you may notice that I amin a different location. I am
home recording the intro andoutro. I recorded the
conversation with Michelle inthe office, because she is in
Australia and I am in San Diego,our time zones can line up in
some capacity, but she's, youknow, in the morning, and I'm in
the evening, and we got tochatting after our recording,

(01:20:29):
and ended up being at the officequite late. So decided to do
these the following day fromhome, but make sure you check
out Michelle the website,michellesimmons.com as well as
her social media. On Instagram,she is Michelle spiritual
medium, and she's got Facebookas well. And I will link

(01:20:49):
everything in the show notes foryou so you can easily find it,
but do make sure that you gether freebies and her downloads
and on her email list. Shereally is such a special soul,
and I am so grateful to have heras part of my community and as a
dear friend of mine, and sohappy to share her with you. I'm
so grateful that she came andshared with us, and I would love

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it if you would share thisepisode with a friend that you
enjoy talking about mediumshipor woo woo things with and make
sure to check out. Yeah.
Michelle, Big hugs, lots oflove. Bye for now from inside
spirit speakeasy, you.

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