February 5, 2025 • 46 mins
Unlock the secrets of karmic relationships and the profound connection of Twin Flames.
Join Kate Rose, renowned relationship expert, astrologer, and author of Written in the Stars, as she unravels the soul lessons hidden within karmic bonds and the sacred mission of Twin Flames. Discover how toxic dynamics can reveal deep patterns, inspire lasting transformation, and guide you toward a conscious, purposeful relationship aligned with your higher self.
With intuitive wisdom and actionable steps, Kate explores breaking free from toxic cycles, healing through soul communication, and aligning with the divine plan of Twin Flame connections. Whether you’re a lightworker on your soul path or seeking spiritual alignment and self-love, this episode offers the guidance to help you awaken and transform.
🌟 Key Topics Covered:
- Spiritual lessons in karmic relationships and breaking toxic cycles
- Using astrology and spirit guidance for healing and alignment
- Understanding and connecting with your Twin Flame
- Rituals and practical tools for conscious love and higher grow
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I think that there's a spectrumof karmic relationships, again, depending
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on, let's say, what you actually calledand what you need.
For the most part,I would say the majority of karmic
relationships are unfortunately toxic.
That is where you're going to seea lot of addiction.
You're going to see, you know,
let's say traits of narcissism,you know, avoidant attachment.
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That karmic relationship is onewhere you might even experience
or call in that partnerwho has mental health issues.
And unfortunately,that's also the relationship where abuse
is the most common.
So unfortunately, yes,I think the karmic relationship
is the one by far that is the most toxic.
Welcome to the Spiritual Quest podcast,a transformative journey
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where we step into a world of wonderand exploration,
seeking answers to profound questions.
Why am I here?
What is my mission in life?
And how can I make a positive impactin this world?
Join me and my inspiring gueston a spiritual quest to fully embrace
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your uniqueness and speak your truthwith grace and gratitude.
I am your host, Vibecke Garnaas.
Always guided by spirit.
Hello.
Hello my friends, and welcome backto another intriguing
episode of this Spiritual Quest podcast,
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where today we are embarkingon our journey of self-discovery
and cosmic insightwith a wonderful Kate Rose.
As the author of the enlightening bookswritten in the stars
The Astrology of Soulmate,Karmic and Twin Flame Relationships,
and you only Fall in Lovethree times, Kate weaves
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the celestial dance of the starsinto the fabric of our lives.
Kate is not only a gifted writer,but also a seasoned
therapist, relationship expert,spiritual, intuitive, and astrologer.
And Kate's unique approach combinesthe wisdom of the cosmos
with a therapeutic insight,guiding her clients to illuminate
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their life paths and dispelthe shadows of self-doubt.
So be prepared to be inspired,as Kate Rose helps us unlock
the universe's wisdom and explorethe celestial map of our souls
to inspire change,and illuminate the journey that awaits.
It's with great pleasure.
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I welcome Kate Rose to this SpiritualQuest podcast.
Hello my friend and welcome.
Hello. It's so wonderful to be here.
Thank you so much for inviting me on.
I'm so excited to have you on.
I mean, this topicis such a powerful topic to me personally
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because love is all that is right for us.
It's. Yes.
And we also seek love in our lives,
whether it's called soulmate,karmic relationships, whatever.
We are curious about love,especially in this human form.
So you're this expert here.
So we're going to dive right in okay.
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But we would love to learn a little bitabout you Kate Rose.
First of all, your upbringingand how did you end up,
you know,being a relationship expert but also
astrologer and finding these two.
I grew up with a single mother
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in Massachusetts and kind of the mountainsand hills, and I was an only child.
So my siblings, my companionswere my imaginary friends, and
I had the different energy and atmosphereof of what that childhood was like.
My pets, my animals.
But it was spent outside.
It was spentbeing very reflective already,
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although I didn't know thatat the time of being a child.
But being having that space and time,I think, really allowed me to go more
within and kind of explore my own selfat that age.
Through my upbringing, I did somewhat losea lot of the natural inclinations.
I remembereven reading my mother's astrology book
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that she had when I was 7 or 8,and I don't know if I necessarily
comprehended or fully understood it,but it fascinated me.
And I would sit there and just readthrough the sun signs and moon signs.
And I am a believer that many timesthose things that were
drawn to as children are also those thingsthat do carry over from past lives
where we're kind ofjust having this unadulterated,
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you know,whatever we feel called to pursue.
And so my love of astrologyreally began sitting on the floor
of my mother's bedroomlooking through her astrology books.
And it wasn't just my ownthat I was aware of and reading.
But just all of the information.
And I think I remember being fascinatedby how there were differences
according to your zodiac sign.
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And but again, I was in high school
then later on,and so I kind of put a lot of that away.
I didn't really feel likemaybe it was accepted
or how to actually embracethat part of myself.
With the pressures of college and marriageand all of the things
that come with adulthood.
And so I got marriedand I had two wonderful daughters,
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and I started having an inclinationand feeling that I wasn't
going to be married forever.
And I told him that actually,
I, he he didn't really enjoy itwhen I, when I told him, understandably.
But it was just this feeling that this wasnot where I was meant to remain forever.
And the marriage did end.
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And I don't say, unfortunately,because I think that everything
that transitions in my eyesor ends is for a purpose.
But that moment of now beinga single mother and being alone again,
kind of with my own thoughts, my own self,even though I had two children,
it was almost like everything that I waswhen I was younger.
I finally was able to come through,of course,
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with those dark night of the soul moments.
But in thatI started to hear myself again.
Oh, wow.
It was shortly after thatthat I started writing,
and it was literally duringan astrological transit.
It was a Grand Crossthat I had in my chart,
and I woke up and I had just the two.
I knew that they were titlesfor articles in my head, and I wrote them,
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and they both were acceptedand published that same day.
And so I have been writing ever since,and I wrote the first moon articles
for Elephant Journal,
because as a woman especially,I feel very connected to the moon.
The moon phases the importanceand significance that it has in our life.
And that kind of birthed the astrology.
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And then on this journey,it started seeming like,
rather than to separate aspects,they were really one.
This whole idea of not just astrology,but what's the purpose in our life time?
What are we meant to experienceand learn and grow through?
And so that's kind of wherethe newest book, written in the stars,
was birthed from this just realizing thateverything is in fact connected.
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Wow. You know,
spoke
we just spoke right before we went live.
Right.
Talking about similarities.
No coincidences.
And another one just jumped outafter the dark night of the soul.
I also hadthis reawakening to my own soul.
I heard my own voice speak to meafter I was willing to let go of my life.
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I said, if this is the life,I'm willing to release it.
And I fell asleep and I woke up andI actually heard the most beautiful voice.
And I started to crybecause I knew that was my soul voice.
I hadn't heard it for many years.
So that was my visit.
And I was like, when you said that,I got goosebumps.
I'm like another ghost, you know?
Yeah.
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And it's such it's such a profound,
I think a that when there's, there's apart of you that goes silent in your life
and I think that that part goes silentwhen we're not necessarily
living in alignmentwith our soul, with our, our truth.
And but perhaps we need to be ableto learn that in order to hear that.
But hearing that voice again, it's
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it's profound ityou feel finally connected to yourself.
And I think that's that aspect where so,so many times in life where we're seeking
connection, like, what can I do in my lifethat will make me feel fulfilled?
But it's not necessarily found.
I don't believe in what we do.
It's more us being ableto finally hear our own self again.
And that brings me into our topicfor today.
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You know,karmic relationship, twin flame soulmates.
Because we both know that.
You know, that voice that I heard,it was the most loving voice
and I cannot describe it.
It's more powerful than words.
It just filled me with so much peaceand faith and hope.
It was just I don't have words for it.
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It was just wonderful.
And I thought, I'll be able to do this.
I do not need somebody to rescue meor lift me up.
I got this power, you know,because I, I lost myself in looking
to my children, seeing that I don'tyou know what kind of mother am I being
if I'm bringing this kind of low energyinto the relationship?
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I don't want to be that draining mother.
That's what I was thinking,because I knew what my energy would affect
or how it would affect my children.
So I did separate myself a bit.
But as I was waking up,I started to reflect that
love is so much more that I had to learnto allow them to love me in a way,
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to be able to take care of me as well,or to show them I could
open myself up enough.
I loved myself enoughto allow them to love me.
Do you?
Am I making myself clear?
So yeah. Yeah, something like that.
That is exactly what I talk about.
This is that is exactly what I believe.
And I do think that so many,especially in, let's say, our, our earlier
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romantic relationships.
I think in essence, we choose thosebecause we're still seeking
all of those things that you mentionedfrom somebody else instead of realizing,
wait a second, I'm the only onethat can actually empower myself.
I'm the only onethat can really love myself
and give myself permission toto be whoever we're meant to be.
And so that aspect of realizingthat we can't
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wait to be rescued or wait to do that,and really kind of
getting our power away in those,
in those moments, power of our soul,it really does allow us to receive.
And Ithat is one of my most favorite words.
And that word is also really heavilytied to the twin flame dynamic
of what does it meanto actually be in that connection.
And receiving is really one of the thingsthat really dominates that relationship.
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Love it.
And before we get
into the specifics of the twin flame,we will go dive into the specifics.
but let's start by asking you what
the intention behindwriting written in the stars.
Let's start there.
The intention was ultimately
to help people, because I do truly believethat we are all capable
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of having an amazing, healthy,incredible love.
I think that we are ableto have both passion
and connection and consistency,and we don't actually have to choose,
but so many of the reasonswhy we might not have
that has nothing to dowith our worthiness.
It doesn't have to do with where we liveor how we live our social life.
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It has to do with our childhood wounds.
So the purpose of this was to help peoplerealize one.
There was nothing wrong with youfor choosing the partners that you had,
but it was really your childhood wounds.
And by leaning and looking within,spending that time with yourself,
that is ultimately what changesthe patterns that you can really be loved
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and love in the ways that feel mostauthentic and healthy for you.
Because I truly believe that
not just having it positively affectour romantic relationships,
but how differentwhat our physical world actually be.
If more of us were able to actuallyrealize and heal those parts of ourselves
that potentially was causing issuesoutside of our lives.
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So yes, I so agree with you.
So that let's move into the topic
of soulmate first,because that's something I have.
I resonate with a lot in my work as well,but also
because I'm going to share that story nowand I'll have your take on it.
So when
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I had my second child,I was holding her in my arms.
I remember this vividly.
We where we came home from the hospital.
I held her in my armsand I looked at her and something.
I was suddenly in this bubbleof energy exchange.
It was a deep, deep connection.
And I have another child,so I know the connection.
But this was something different,and it was hard for me to express it
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because you love both of your children,but it was something different
because all relationships are different.
And I was holding herand I was looking into her eyes
and I said, I know you, I know you.
And I said it out loud.
My husband, you know her.
I'm like, I know her.
I mean, I know her,she's she's my soulmate.
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And it was just
it was so.
Not somethingI would ever think about in that way
because it was the, the connection wassomething that just arose within me.
It was that really powerful.
And as I acknowledged it,
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I got flashbacks of previous lifetimes.
Things started to flash before my eyes andI remembered small pieces of lifetimes.
With this, my youngestand I suddenly got this.
I chose her to be my daughter in this life
because we've had so many partner lives,like we've been husband and wife.
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We've been, lovers. We've been all this.
And this sounds weird for peoplewho's like,
can you talk about that with your motheror your daughter?
But we've had so many lifetimes togetherplaying that part together.
So we we wanted to explorehow we would be to be,
you know, mother and daughter and,and so forth.
And, and it was just such an awakening.
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And I was like, oh, I'm, I'm in troublebecause you're going to test me like,
no buddy else.
And she's the one who tests me. Like.
Do you really have unconditional lovefor your children?
I mean, seriously.
It's likethey're, as I said, I have two daughters
now, youngest, and I absolutely understandthat sentiment.
Okay, so please share.
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What is soul mateand how do we recognize it.
So I actually love thatyou share that story
because it it really is able to depictwhat the soulmate is
so that the soulmate is someonewho is from your similar soul family.
It can absolutely be your child.
It can be your pet.
Even you and I could have been soulfriends.
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We talked beforehand.
There's a lot of similarities there.
So your soul family isjust a collection of souls
that may or may not be into your lifeon a regular basis,
that you are all partof the same collection.
You're part of the same purpose,the same path together.
So when we meet our soulmatein this lifetime,
usually it's someone againthat we have a lot of similarities with it
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also tends to be one of the earlier loves.
We think of like, let's say
the high school sweetheartor the person that lives down the street.
Someone that perhaps, maybe we even needmiles away from where we lived,
but ends up feeling like they grew upin a very similar way in the night.
So the soulmate is someone
that, again, we're looking forsame soul family similarities.
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We usually are the key.
A lot of timessoulmates can even kind of look like one
another to a degreewith certain physical attributes.
So with the soulmate, though,especially when we're staying
in a romantic relationship,there's nothing that usually ends up
being very wrongin this only relationship.
It's not going to be that chaotic,painful feeling that we get
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with the karmic relationship.
And actually, in all of my research,
most, let's say grandparent, greatgrandparents, generations,
they actually married and remainwith their soulmate for their entire life.
There was not the karmic relationships.
For the most part.
There was not the twin flames.
It was just the soulmate.
So the soulmate relationship isn't onethat's bad or horrible, but what becomes
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very challenging is how kind of likewhat you and I were just saying.
How do we learnhow to hear our inner voice
in a relationshipthat allows us to say the same?
And so that's where we end upkind of making that ultimate break
or that split from our soulmateis that there might not be anything wrong
or awful or bad, but we just realize thatwe can't necessarily hear our own voice.
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We can't really feel like we're livingour purpose or being able to explore.
What does it meanto be a conscious human in this lifetime?
If we stay in aplace where we don't have to.
So looking at the soulmate aspect,
what you're sayingis that we can all have soulmates.
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That's not always in our loving or
I would say romantic.
That's what I mean.
Because loving, I havea loving relationship with my daughter,
but I'm in that romantic relationshipbecause a lot of people
tend to think that many soulmatewe've hear here about the term soulmate.
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And we think that, you know, I'mlooking for my soulmate
out there in the world,but it might just be somebody else,
like a friend or somebody elsethat comes into your life.
Yeah, I, I truly believe I had a catpassed away, earlier this year.
I called him my soul cat.
It was in the back.
Was like nothing elseI've ever experienced.
I love that you said that.
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It can be very muchwith any one, any animal.
It's that idea that the
soulmate really is just speaking to.
You're just like you recognizedyour daughter and you're recognizing it,
even if we're not consciously aware of itin the way that you were in that moment,
we're recognizing somethingwithin this other person
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or this other animal that is familiarthat's safe.
We we know each other. We know it's there.
So good.
So what about karmic relationship?
Is there a lot of karmic relationshipin this world at this moment?
And why?
There are a great deal of karmic place.
So, yeah, that's like my question
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isn't as as challenging
as it can be is if people listeningare finding themselves in them.
It's it actually speaksto the evolution of humanity in our souls,
because the karmic relationshipas challenging as it is,
and that is a very kind way to saythat many times the dark night of the soul
is brought on by your karmic relationship,your greatest life challenges
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some of the most toxic,
unhealthy moments of yourself in your lifewill be experienced with your karmic.
But so is the sense of awakening,
and so is this sense of excitementand passion and connection.
And we will feel that we have knownour karmic partner in past lives.
We will ultimately feel that connection.
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We will feel that bond.
Many times, just because of the chaoticnature of karmic relationships,
many times peoplefirst think that that's their twin flame.
But then we have to go through the processand we say, if this is love, this twin
flame love is the healthiest,
most kind of spiritual high lovethat we can experience in this lifetime.
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Would it besomeone that continually cheats on you?
Would it be someone that goes to you?
Would it be someonethat's emotionally unavailable or married?
And so that's trying to ground ita little bit in that reality of
you're feeling
this connection, you're feeling the bond,but it's so you can learn the lesson.
Not so the relationship can last forever,
the karmic relationship,the purpose of that in our lifetime,
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why we're calling that in and why somany of us are going through this or has
is that the karmic relationship allows usto really focus on healing ourselves.
And that's not just our childhood woundsor what we went through in grade school.
It's also, as this generationis being asked, we're also healing
the generational trauma and karmic lessonsthat previous generations
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just haven't been able to.
There's so much of that mentalitythat has shifted where
there was a survival mode for so longin previous generations,
and with the survival mode,you're not able to step into
and have the space to heal, to thrive,to explore more spiritual topics.
And so now that we'rein a different state, many of us,
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you're seeing moreand more people say, well,
what does it mean to not just survive,but thrive as a soul in this lifetime?
And that meansthat we have to look at healing
and healing our inner child,healing our generational wounds and karma
really allows us to get to a spacewhere we are connected.
I believe with our spirit,we are connected with our soul.
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We're feeling a greater connectionto the world around us.
We're lacking judgment.
We're more accepting.
We feel more confident, more secure,especially in terms of attachment.
And then at that point,usually in the karmic relationship,
the ultimate reason why it endsis that we finally learn what we deserve,
and we know thatwe're not asking for too much.
And so even if this, you know,the chemistry is off the charts,
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and even if it feels like you're nevergoing to be loved in the same way again,
it's that idea of, wait, I know thatI deserve more, I deserve consistency
and healthiness and I deserve commitment,whatever it might be.
And so being able to be in that placeof knowing our worth
is what helps us transition.
Eventually, as a karmic
where it's very much like once the lessonis learned, the teacher disappears.
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So true.
That's true.
But I, I, I'm questioningbecause looking at the star you're,
you know, is this karmic relationship.
It is for my perspective.
We choose this lifetime.
We have different pathways.
We can choose as we are in this thereparallel realities to call it that.
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And we are in cross points in our lives
where we can choose right to continuegoing that path or choose another path.
And I, for instance, feel
like you said the moon cycle,but also I'm looking at the stars.
I'm looking at y portals.
What what galactic energies are moving
in order to make a conscious decision
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on all levels like the spiritual,mental, emotional and the physical level.
What is the best time for mebeing a Scorpio, you know?
So I'm looking at my my sign.
So is the karmic relationshipthat you might know that you have where
you're experiencing and you're thinking,oh, this is really hard to get out of.
What is the best way to deal with
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the karmic relationshipwhen it comes to being a spiritual human
being on earth, having a soul,you know, being aware of the consciousness
of, you know, the stars and everything,the alignment of all that.
What is any tips, how we can moveor maybe yes.
Yeah. Let's talk about yes. Do that.
So if we're in a karmic relationship
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and we're saying okay how do I, how do I,how can I know for sure?
It's kind of like,how do I how can I get out of that?
How can I learn more?
So the first thing that you mightwant to do before we kind of get into,
let's say, more spiritualor deeper aspects is just say,
is there anything about my karmicrelationship that is familiar
or similar to anythingI went through as a child,
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one that helps open upour lens of having that conscious choice,
as you said, because we can chooseto be in a relationship for three years.
We can also choose to be in itfor 20 years.
It does come down to choice, and choiceis then defined by truth.
How much truth are we willingand have capacity for at any given time?
So looking at the relationshipsand saying, okay, honestly, for instance,
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it's quite similar if let's saywe had a parent when we were growing up
that had alcoholism quite free, quitesimilar to end up attracting a partner
who has that as well,or that you feel the need to take care of.
So those are the types of kind of thingsthat you want to pull out
of the relationships,
the next thing to reflect on is saying,okay, what are all of the ways
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that I felt like I wasn't seen or lovedor validated or cared for as a child?
When you have that list, I always sayI kind of envision it being one column
on the other side,then start thinking about what you can do
for yourself to start fulfillingthose needs.
It's not a matterof bringing it to your partner,
but it's first having youlook at what you can do for yourself.
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And then as far as the astrology goes,I think that plays a huge part.
And what I see with the astrologyis that we will be given windows
of opportunities, like for instance,Pluto is back in Capricorn, turning direct
next week.
That's the last time in our lifetimethat we are ever going to see that.
So that's quite a dramatic windowfor people who, let's say, has Capricorn
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in their fourth house, home and family,12th house of the subconscious.
So it's looking at
and being able to say,okay, what is going on with the astrology?
Why do I feel likeeverything is coming up?
Why am I having a dark night of the souland then being able
to embrace that time for whatthe purpose is?
Many times
I feel like
we experienced the most challenges when wefight against the reality of what is.
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Oh yeah, my.
My most favorite saying has becomeyou can only be where you are.
That's it.
Yes, any of us and only be where we are.
But it's we, we want it.
We want to finish the lesson.
We want to be in the futurewhere we have the love and the abundance.
We we want to be in this situationwhere we have all of this greatness or.
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But we can only be where we are.
And by practicing that, I feel like italso allows us to have more truths,
which then kind of begins that processof how to, let's say, seal
out of meeting the karmic relationshipas a mirror for our own selves.
I love
everything that you said therethat I'm like, yes, but but a question.
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Some people say karmic relationship
is similar to a toxic relationship.
Is that true in your book or is there,what do you call it?
Nuances.
I think that there's a spectrumof karmic relationships, again, depending
on, let's say, what you actually calledand what you need.
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For the most part,I would say the majority of karmic
relationships are unfortunately toxic.
That is where you're going to seea lot of addiction.
You're going to see, you know,
let's say traits of narcissism,you know, avoidant attachment.
That karmic relationship is onewhere you might even experience
or call in that partnerwho has mental health issues.
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And unfortunately, that's also the relationship where abuse is the most common.
So unfortunately,
yes, I think the karmic relationshipis the one by far that is the most toxic.
But I think that's why it's importantto remember, especially,
let's say, if we are in those toxicrelationships or it
has then become an abusive relationship,
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it can be very hard to feel empowered
and confident enoughto make that exit strategy,
to make the choice that you deserve more,that you deserve something healthier.
And so by understanding and realizing thatthere wasn't, you didn't miss any signs.
There was nothing that you didthat was wrong, that this was just
something that your soul called inbecause you're meant to become stronger
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and healthier and make different decisionsfor you and any children.
And so I think by being ableto kind of realize and align with that,
we're able to then moveand make those big decisions in our lives
without judgment or fear holding us back.
Yeah.
how many times, you know, wewe don't know the ultimate purpose.
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We can think that we know.
We can feel, we can follow our intuition,
but we don't ultimately knowthe purpose of a single decision.
And so often, those relationshipsthat truly are profound or that,
let's say that adoption to be able to exitan unhealthy relationship,
all of those thingscome about by just one single choice.
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Imagine that one single choice people.
It is like I always said, I chooseto listen to the guidance of spirit.
That I decidedafter the dark night of the soul
and the heard my own spirit,my soul speak to me.
I said, from now on, that's that's whatI'm going for, whatever that is telling
me. That is so such a loving voicethat I know it only has my best interest.
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And it's just I'm choosing that
I don't care how
hard the external world might illusion ofwhat's going on is looking at.
I am choosing thatand it hasn't been an easy path.
I mean, we have people around uswho think you're nuts, right?
When you startmaking choices that they say, oh yeah,
but I still feel like
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if it hadn't been for melistening and doing
what's right for me, I wouldn'tbe married to this, this beautiful man,
for 20 years,because he was not somebody I went for.
See, the toxic compared to what I neededor what I actually would fulfill
something much more in my lifeon a spiritual level,
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which means it's so much easierwith some a partner
that I feelsees me and accepts me for who I am.
And I think that is when I understoodthat, okay, so what is this relationship
that I mean, it's it's
because I do not feelit's a soulmate relationship.
I do not feel that because I feltthat when my my daughter and it doesn't
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does not mean that I don't lovemy husband.
I mean, I've been waiting for 20 years,but it's something different.
And that's makes me want to go inand talk about twin flames because I.
I'm curiousto hear your perspective on that.
Would you share what is a twin flameand how do we recognize a twin flame.
So let's say classically or historically,
the twin flame is described as one energythat has been split into two bodies,
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although every culture has their ownrendition.
In Greekis that humans were originally born with
two arms or four arms,four legs and two heads,
and the gods split us in halfbecause they thought us too powerful.
And so then that would meanthat we were forever
destined to wander the earthlooking for our other half.
So a lot of, let's say
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and again, just like everything elsein our world and society,
what we first discovered
or first believed about twin flames,just as in terms of, let's say, technology
and spirituality, all of that is evolvingas we're learning more.
And that's alsowhat has happened with Twin Flames.
So we're realizing that, yes,
there is a profoundand deep soul connection with Twin flames.
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It is one that can't be brokenand we can't ultimately choose
not to engage with itbecause it is part of our soul contract.
I believe in this lifetime,
but one of the most kind of newkind of discoveries is that,
unlike before,if we read a lot of the older Twin Flame
writings, they talk about the runnerand chaser phase,
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but really, that actually depictsthe attraction of the anxious and
the avoidant in the karmic relationshipand not the twin flame.
So the twin flame ultimately is attractedeither very much through kind of a means
that you even described with your husband,where it's like a friend of a friend.
But if you hadn't done this one choice,it wouldn't have turned out,
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twin flames can also be someonethat maybe has been in your life,
but perhaps you weren't kind of onthat same vibrational frequency just yet.
So the Twin Flame is someone that once wekind of make that choice for my soulmate,
we're going to listen to our own voiceand identify our truth,
and then we move through our karmicrelationship.
And I personally don't believethat there's any sort of perfection
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that we're any we're going to reach inthis lifetime as far as our healing, our
our goal is to not be perfect.
It's to simply embracewhat is and to be part of the process.
So so that that means that we'rewe're healing ourselves and that healing
is going to be an ongoing journey,because now we're aware of what we need.
And that might shift from day to day.
So once we have that aspect of worthinessand healing began in the karmic,
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then we start movinginto another phase of our lives.
And in that time frame,we become more aware
of what we personally need,what love means to us.
We're more comfortablewith our own selves.
We're comfortable in our own spaceadvocating for ourselves.
And so at that point, we're able to comeinto alignment with our twin flame.
Who has?
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Doesn't mean about being the sameas, let's say, more of a soulmate is,
but they are on a similar vibrational,so they are also ready
for that type of romantic relationshipand connection.
And the twin flame relationshipis really defined as two people
who has begunthe journey of consciousness,
who have begun the journey of work,of becoming their best self,
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which really is the selfthat our soul is destined to be.
And on that journey youthen can explore lands
and you can engage with itand continue to grow together.
Because, as you said,
both people are lovedand allowed and accepted just as they are,
which could be one version todayand another version five years from now
or even tomorrow.
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So the Twin Flame is really about
the love coming together of two peoplewho are kind of enmeshed
on that journey of growth and healingand awareness, and that there is
a profound level of self-acceptance,acceptance for the other.
And just that aspect of receiving,
because that does becomethe most difficult aspect,
because up until the twin Flame,we we're not really have been,
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let's say, lovedin the ways that we needed or desire
maybe bits and pieces here or breadcrumbs
at times, butnever actually that love and connection.
And so being able to fully receivethe Twin Flame
love into our lifeis it's a lesson of the relationship.
But it's it feels much, much differentthan the lessons of the karmic
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because we're we're opening ourselvesmore.
We're opening more of our heartsand more of our souls
to receive something that we actually knowthat we've always deserved.
So does that mean to use another word.
Opposites attract.
I've heard that is thatwould you say that that is sort of
or could be a description of a twin flame?
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It absolutely.
I would say is because I've,I've never encountered any twin
flame coupleswho, let's say are very similar.
You're not you're not going to getthat in that connection.
You're going to get one person who, let'ssay, is much more connected to spirit,
and they're having their altarand connecting with crystals,
and then you're going to get somebody elsewho is much more kind
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of grounding that personinto what this human life is.
And that's the whole idea.
And that's where I think originallythat aspect of let's say, the two hands
or the two bodies of energy came from
is that together there is balance.
So in the Twin Flame, it'snot about being the same,
but because we've accepted ourselves,we attract someone into our life
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who accepts themselvesand who is able to also accept us,
and that we're actually stronger togetherwith that sense of balance together
than if we would be, let's say, if we'rejust with someone who is, who is the same.
So and that's where I feel likeit's much more of a healed way of,
of dealing this type of relationship,rather than thinking that our twin flame
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will make us whole.
And let's saysome of the historical writings have said.
Yes, I so agree with you there too,
because nothing can make you wholeunless it's yourself.
I mean, you have to find thatwithin yourself, right?
is it true that we all go through
three different relationshipsin in one lifetime?
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That's a question.
Absolutely.
So we are seeing moreand more people doing that
because of that evolutionthat we're now in the place to do that.
However, that does not meanthat every single person in this lifetime
is meant to do that.
I because I truly believe that we do havea different purpose for our soul.
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I do not believe that if anybodyis in a truly toxic, unhealthy, or
abusive relationship, your fate or destinyis not to remain there.
That is the number one thing.
However, there are many peoplewho are still coming into this lifetime.
I think perhaps,maybe the youngest person I've spoken with
is maybe late 20s, early 30s,where it feels like
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potentially at this point they feel likemaybe their purpose is their soulmate.
And obviously that can change.
Life does change in ways that we can'timagine or predict all the time.
But I've also spoken, there'sa woman in her 70s that I connected with,
and we did her astrology chartand she ended up.
I've never seen this many in my life.
She had 12 soulmates,
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one that she had called and.
Oh, yes, like she had two commits,but they were very short time in college.
But 12 soulmates theseand actually partners
that she had been, you know, boyfriendor girlfriend with at a certain point
and one of them she had reconnected with.
And so we had a really honest conversationand she said, look, can we be honest?
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And I was like, of courseshe's like, I'm in. I'm in my 70s.
I think since 76.
She's like,is it bad if I stay with my soulmate?
And I told her I was like, absolutely not.
Because obviously you keep calling them.
It's 1 to 1. There's a purpose here.
I was like,but if this relationship feels good,
if it feels healthy, if you enjoy it,if you're comfortable with your life,
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if you're being respected,
then no, nothing bador catastrophic is going to happen.
You're not going to have done
something wrongif you choose to stay with your soulmate.
So I think more and morepeople are using relationships
kind of as that mirrorfor their own soul evolution.
But it doesn't mean, like yousaid, relationships aren't all the same
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and we're not all the same.
So I think that we do
have each our own purpose, butI don't think that that's wrong or bad.
I think just because let's saysomeone has a twin flame in this lifetime
and someone has a soulmate, it doesn'tmean one is worse off than the other.
It means perhaps the next lifetimethat person will have a soul mate
and that we're all I kind of look at itall is we're all at different
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kind of mileposts. On the similar journey.
So how can we call in our twin flame.
So there's numerous ways.
There's one obviously
we could definitely use that geologywhich I'll speak to in a second.
But to call it our own twin flame meansare we looking at ourselves.
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Are we are we still using other peopleto feel good, whether it's through
friends, friendswith benefits or something else?
Are we still seeking outside of ourselveswhat we need to give ourselves?
So really, the firstand best thing to call in that twin flame?
Amazing healthy love is to make surethat we're focusing on ourself,
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making sure that we're comfortablebeing alone, that we're enjoying it.
I always say it's kind of like this phaseof dating yourself for a period of time
where you just really enjoyyour own company,
and then at that point, it's making surethat we're putting ourselves out there.
In these situations,we don't all have to necessarily
download an appor go to the corner bar or whatever
it might be, but we do need to make surethat we're opening ourselves there.
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We go into a sound bathor we go into a lecture.
We going to different placesthat we enjoy,
where if we bump into someone,the universe actually has a way
to help bring something together.
Then there's alsothat aspect of using the moon rituals,
which I went into and written, the stars,where you can use
the zodiac sign of your own moon,and then let's say on a new moon,
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be able to set the intentionto call in your twin flame.
And by saying, I have done that work,I love myself, and I'm calling
someone into my lifeto love me and accept me just as I am.
And so I think All together is reallywhere we kind of resonate
with that highest power,where not only are we just planting
an intention with the moon,but we also have that that grounding.
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Everything's about balance,that grounded self work to kind of back up
our readiness for whatwe're saying that we desire.
I like that ritual.
Is it the new moon or full moon or both?
So with calling in a twin flame,you 100% want to do a new moon
because the new moonsrepresent new beginnings.
And then you want to incorporate crystals.
I mean, rose quartz is obviouslya great one.
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But tiger's eye can be really great too,for different aspects
of, let's say, passion and healthinessat the same time.
Courage, boldness.
I also love using herbs in rituals,whether it's just simply
putting rose petals with your intentionas you fold it
rosemary for healing and really making itsomething special and sacred.
I have, a bit of a garden rightoutside my front door
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and the amount of ritualsplanted in that garden.
We love it.
It's a sacred space. It really is.
Underneath all the minted roses.
There's so many intentions in there.
Okay, I could talk to you forever. This.
This topic is wonderful.
I love this topic, but, time flies and Ireally want to hear your point of view on
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what do you think
we should, as a collective,
do to,
how should I sayit, open ourselves up to more love.
Like the pure love,the unconditional love.
Any any suggestions?
Because there's we're talking
to so many different signsat this time, right where we're all
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but but there is a unity force in placehere, a collective.
So what would you say is the best tipsor anything
you can talk to the collectivethat we all can can get some
inspiration from if you wish.
The purest love is the one that I believeis without judgment,
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and that also is oneI truly believe that is born within.
So even, let's say,beginning a daily ritual of your gratitude
and compliments for yourselvesfor who you are, not what you do,
not what you do for workor the roles that you feel for others.
But expressing that gratitudefor yourself, even simply saying,
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actually, I am gratefulboth of us showed up for this today,
and having that genuine meaningin our heart and our purpose in it.
Because the more that we can expressgratitude for ourselves,
even if we're not quite sure how to embodythat pure, unconditional love.
Gratitude,I believe, paves the way for that.
And when the more gratitude
that we have, the less room for judgmenteither of self or others I think exists.
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Beautiful.
And I so agree with you again,because this time period
that we're in the shiftwe are all experiencing,
it is the collective
release of judgmentthat really will set us free.
I completely agree, yeah.
So I am so with you and I love ourconversation and I love you, Kate Rose.
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I mean, seriously, this is beautiful.
I want everyone to go and get the book
because I think this is really somethingthat we can cherish for ourselves.
Like this is a sanctuaryto get to know ourselves,
to do some inner work without and funinner work not.
You know, I think learning about yourselfshould be fun.
I mean, it. Should be enjoyable.
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And you,you should enjoy getting to know yourself.
So true, so true.
So any final words for everyone?
Watchingor listening to this podcast today?
Just never give up hope.
No matter what your past has involved,you have gone through
precisely what you were meant to doto bring you to this moment.
And now, by learning from it,
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you can have all of the love,the life, the abundance that you desire.
It is all possible.
Well, thank you so much.
It's been a pleasure to have youon the Spiritual Quest podcast,
and you're always welcome to come backand share your wisdom with us.
I appreciate you, Kate and Kate so much,
and thank you, everyone for being hereand joining us for this conversation.
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I appreciate you all,and I hope you found some inspiration
in what Kate has shared with us today.
And before I end,I want to share a small thing with you
that I well, I think it touched meand I wanted to share it.
It's a quote and it is from Kate Roseand it's from written in the stars.
So I'm going to end with thisand I wish you all the best.
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So here we go.
Even on your darkest
days, when you are unsure how to go on
how it will ever feel okay again,
the stars are aligned in your favor.
Thank you everyone for being here.
I love you all.
Bye now.
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Let me. Get.
I think that there's a spectrumof karmic relationships, again, depending
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on, let's say, what you actually calledand what you need.
For the most part,I would say the majority of karmic
relationships are unfortunately toxic.
That is where you're going to seea lot of addiction.
You're going to see, you know,
let's say traits of narcissism,you know, avoidant attachment.
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That karmic relationship is onewhere you might even experience
or call in that partnerwho has mental health issues.
And unfortunately,that's also the relationship where abuse
is the most common.
So unfortunately, yes,I think the karmic relationship
is the one by far that is the most toxic.
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where today we are embarkingon our journey of self-discovery
and cosmic insightwith a wonderful Kate Rose.
As the author of the enlightening bookswritten in the stars
The Astrology of Soulmate,Karmic and Twin Flame Relationships,
and you only Fall in Lovethree times, Kate weaves
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the celestial dance of the starsinto the fabric of our lives.
Kate is not only a gifted writer,but also a seasoned
therapist, relationship expert,spiritual, intuitive, and astrologer.
And Kate's unique approach combinesthe wisdom of the cosmos
with a therapeutic insight,guiding her clients to illuminate
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their life paths and dispelthe shadows of self-doubt.
So be prepared to be inspired,as Kate Rose helps us unlock
the universe's wisdom and explorethe celestial map of our souls
to inspire change,and illuminate the journey that awaits.
It's with great pleasure.
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I welcome Kate Rose to this SpiritualQuest podcast.
Hello my friend and welcome.
Hello. It's so wonderful to be here.
Thank you so much for inviting me on.
I'm so excited to have you on.
I mean, this topicis such a powerful topic to me personally
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because love is all that is right for us.
It's. Yes.
And we also seek love in our lives,
whether it's called soulmate,karmic relationships, whatever.
We are curious about love,especially in this human form.
So you're this expert here.
So we're going to dive right in okay.
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But we would love to learn a little bitabout you Kate Rose.
First of all, your upbringingand how did you end up,
you know,being a relationship expert but also
astrologer and finding these two.
I grew up with a single mother
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in Massachusetts and kind of the mountainsand hills, and I was an only child.
So my siblings, my companionswere my imaginary friends, and
I had the different energy and atmosphereof of what that childhood was like.
My pets, my animals.
But it was spent outside.
It was spentbeing very reflective already,
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although I didn't know thatat the time of being a child.
But being having that space and time,I think, really allowed me to go more
within and kind of explore my own selfat that age.
Through my upbringing, I did somewhat losea lot of the natural inclinations.
I remembereven reading my mother's astrology book
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that she had when I was 7 or 8,and I don't know if I necessarily
comprehended or fully understood it,but it fascinated me.
And I would sit there and just readthrough the sun signs and moon signs.
And I am a believer that many timesthose things that were
drawn to as children are also those thingsthat do carry over from past lives
where we're kind ofjust having this unadulterated,
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you know,whatever we feel called to pursue.
And so my love of astrologyreally began sitting on the floor
of my mother's bedroomlooking through her astrology books.
And it wasn't just my ownthat I was aware of and reading.
But just all of the information.
And I think I remember being fascinatedby how there were differences
according to your zodiac sign.
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And but again, I was in high school
then later on,and so I kind of put a lot of that away.
I didn't really feel likemaybe it was accepted
or how to actually embracethat part of myself.
With the pressures of college and marriageand all of the things
that come with adulthood.
And so I got marriedand I had two wonderful daughters,
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and I started having an inclinationand feeling that I wasn't
going to be married forever.
And I told him that actually,
I, he he didn't really enjoy itwhen I, when I told him, understandably.
But it was just this feeling that this wasnot where I was meant to remain forever.
And the marriage did end.
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And I don't say, unfortunately,because I think that everything
that transitions in my eyesor ends is for a purpose.
But that moment of now beinga single mother and being alone again,
kind of with my own thoughts, my own self,even though I had two children,
it was almost like everything that I waswhen I was younger.
I finally was able to come through,of course,
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with those dark night of the soul moments.
But in thatI started to hear myself again.
Oh, wow.
It was shortly after thatthat I started writing,
and it was literally duringan astrological transit.
It was a Grand Crossthat I had in my chart,
and I woke up and I had just the two.
I knew that they were titlesfor articles in my head, and I wrote them,
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and they both were acceptedand published that same day.
And so I have been writing ever since,and I wrote the first moon articles
for Elephant Journal,
because as a woman especially,I feel very connected to the moon.
The moon phases the importanceand significance that it has in our life.
And that kind of birthed the astrology.
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And then on this journey,it started seeming like,
rather than to separate aspects,they were really one.
This whole idea of not just astrology,but what's the purpose in our life time?
What are we meant to experienceand learn and grow through?
And so that's kind of wherethe newest book, written in the stars,
was birthed from this just realizing thateverything is in fact connected.
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Wow. You know,
spoke
we just spoke right before we went live.
Right.
Talking about similarities.
No coincidences.
And another one just jumped outafter the dark night of the soul.
I also hadthis reawakening to my own soul.
I heard my own voice speak to meafter I was willing to let go of my life.
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I said, if this is the life,I'm willing to release it.
And I fell asleep and I woke up andI actually heard the most beautiful voice.
And I started to crybecause I knew that was my soul voice.
I hadn't heard it for many years.
So that was my visit.
And I was like, when you said that,I got goosebumps.
I'm like another ghost, you know?
Yeah.
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And it's such it's such a profound,
I think a that when there's, there's apart of you that goes silent in your life
and I think that that part goes silentwhen we're not necessarily
living in alignmentwith our soul, with our, our truth.
And but perhaps we need to be ableto learn that in order to hear that.
But hearing that voice again, it's
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it's profound ityou feel finally connected to yourself.
And I think that's that aspect where so,so many times in life where we're seeking
connection, like, what can I do in my lifethat will make me feel fulfilled?
But it's not necessarily found.
I don't believe in what we do.
It's more us being ableto finally hear our own self again.
And that brings me into our topicfor today.
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You know,karmic relationship, twin flame soulmates.
Because we both know that.
You know, that voice that I heard,it was the most loving voice
and I cannot describe it.
It's more powerful than words.
It just filled me with so much peaceand faith and hope.
It was just I don't have words for it.
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It was just wonderful.
And I thought, I'll be able to do this.
I do not need somebody to rescue meor lift me up.
I got this power, you know,because I, I lost myself in looking
to my children, seeing that I don'tyou know what kind of mother am I being
if I'm bringing this kind of low energyinto the relationship?
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I don't want to be that draining mother.
That's what I was thinking,because I knew what my energy would affect
or how it would affect my children.
So I did separate myself a bit.
But as I was waking up,I started to reflect that
love is so much more that I had to learnto allow them to love me in a way,
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to be able to take care of me as well,or to show them I could
open myself up enough.
I loved myself enoughto allow them to love me.
Do you?
Am I making myself clear?
So yeah. Yeah, something like that.
That is exactly what I talk about.
This is that is exactly what I believe.
And I do think that so many,especially in, let's say, our, our earlier
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romantic relationships.
I think in essence, we choose thosebecause we're still seeking
all of those things that you mentionedfrom somebody else instead of realizing,
wait a second, I'm the only onethat can actually empower myself.
I'm the only onethat can really love myself
and give myself permission toto be whoever we're meant to be.
And so that aspect of realizingthat we can't
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wait to be rescued or wait to do that,and really kind of
getting our power away in those,
in those moments, power of our soul,it really does allow us to receive.
And Ithat is one of my most favorite words.
And that word is also really heavilytied to the twin flame dynamic
of what does it meanto actually be in that connection.
And receiving is really one of the thingsthat really dominates that relationship.
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Love it.
And before we get
into the specifics of the twin flame,we will go dive into the specifics.
but let's start by asking you what
the intention behindwriting written in the stars.
Let's start there.
The intention was ultimately
to help people, because I do truly believethat we are all capable
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of having an amazing, healthy,incredible love.
I think that we are ableto have both passion
and connection and consistency,and we don't actually have to choose,
but so many of the reasonswhy we might not have
that has nothing to dowith our worthiness.
It doesn't have to do with where we liveor how we live our social life.
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It has to do with our childhood wounds.
So the purpose of this was to help peoplerealize one.
There was nothing wrong with youfor choosing the partners that you had,
but it was really your childhood wounds.
And by leaning and looking within,spending that time with yourself,
that is ultimately what changesthe patterns that you can really be loved
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and love in the ways that feel mostauthentic and healthy for you.
Because I truly believe that
not just having it positively affectour romantic relationships,
but how differentwhat our physical world actually be.
If more of us were able to actuallyrealize and heal those parts of ourselves
that potentially was causing issuesoutside of our lives.
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So yes, I so agree with you.
So that let's move into the topic
of soulmate first,because that's something I have.
I resonate with a lot in my work as well,but also
because I'm going to share that story nowand I'll have your take on it.
So when
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I had my second child,I was holding her in my arms.
I remember this vividly.
We where we came home from the hospital.
I held her in my armsand I looked at her and something.
I was suddenly in this bubbleof energy exchange.
It was a deep, deep connection.
And I have another child,so I know the connection.
But this was something different,and it was hard for me to express it
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because you love both of your children,but it was something different
because all relationships are different.
And I was holding herand I was looking into her eyes
and I said, I know you, I know you.
And I said it out loud.
My husband, you know her.
I'm like, I know her.
I mean, I know her,she's she's my soulmate.
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And it was just
it was so.
Not somethingI would ever think about in that way
because it was the, the connection wassomething that just arose within me.
It was that really powerful.
And as I acknowledged it,
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I got flashbacks of previous lifetimes.
Things started to flash before my eyes andI remembered small pieces of lifetimes.
With this, my youngestand I suddenly got this.
I chose her to be my daughter in this life
because we've had so many partner lives,like we've been husband and wife.
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We've been, lovers. We've been all this.
And this sounds weird for peoplewho's like,
can you talk about that with your motheror your daughter?
But we've had so many lifetimes togetherplaying that part together.
So we we wanted to explorehow we would be to be,
you know, mother and daughter and,and so forth.
And, and it was just such an awakening.
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And I was like, oh, I'm, I'm in troublebecause you're going to test me like,
no buddy else.
And she's the one who tests me. Like.
Do you really have unconditional lovefor your children?
I mean, seriously.
It's likethey're, as I said, I have two daughters
now, youngest, and I absolutely understandthat sentiment.
Okay, so please share.
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What is soul mateand how do we recognize it.
So I actually love thatyou share that story
because it it really is able to depictwhat the soulmate is
so that the soulmate is someonewho is from your similar soul family.
It can absolutely be your child.
It can be your pet.
Even you and I could have been soulfriends.
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We talked beforehand.
There's a lot of similarities there.
So your soul family isjust a collection of souls
that may or may not be into your lifeon a regular basis,
that you are all partof the same collection.
You're part of the same purpose,the same path together.
So when we meet our soulmatein this lifetime,
usually it's someone againthat we have a lot of similarities with it
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also tends to be one of the earlier loves.
We think of like, let's say
the high school sweetheartor the person that lives down the street.
Someone that perhaps, maybe we even needmiles away from where we lived,
but ends up feeling like they grew upin a very similar way in the night.
So the soulmate is someone
that, again, we're looking forsame soul family similarities.
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We usually are the key.
A lot of timessoulmates can even kind of look like one
another to a degreewith certain physical attributes.
So with the soulmate, though,especially when we're staying
in a romantic relationship,there's nothing that usually ends up
being very wrongin this only relationship.
It's not going to be that chaotic,painful feeling that we get
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with the karmic relationship.
And actually, in all of my research,
most, let's say grandparent, greatgrandparents, generations,
they actually married and remainwith their soulmate for their entire life.
There was not the karmic relationships.
For the most part.
There was not the twin flames.
It was just the soulmate.
So the soulmate relationship isn't onethat's bad or horrible, but what becomes
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very challenging is how kind of likewhat you and I were just saying.
How do we learnhow to hear our inner voice
in a relationshipthat allows us to say the same?
And so that's where we end upkind of making that ultimate break
or that split from our soulmateis that there might not be anything wrong
or awful or bad, but we just realize thatwe can't necessarily hear our own voice.
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We can't really feel like we're livingour purpose or being able to explore.
What does it meanto be a conscious human in this lifetime?
If we stay in aplace where we don't have to.
So looking at the soulmate aspect,
what you're sayingis that we can all have soulmates.
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That's not always in our loving or
I would say romantic.
That's what I mean.
Because loving, I havea loving relationship with my daughter,
but I'm in that romantic relationshipbecause a lot of people
tend to think that many soulmatewe've hear here about the term soulmate.
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And we think that, you know, I'mlooking for my soulmate
out there in the world,but it might just be somebody else,
like a friend or somebody elsethat comes into your life.
Yeah, I, I truly believe I had a catpassed away, earlier this year.
I called him my soul cat.
It was in the back.
Was like nothing elseI've ever experienced.
I love that you said that.
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It can be very muchwith any one, any animal.
It's that idea that the
soulmate really is just speaking to.
You're just like you recognizedyour daughter and you're recognizing it,
even if we're not consciously aware of itin the way that you were in that moment,
we're recognizing somethingwithin this other person
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or this other animal that is familiarthat's safe.
We we know each other. We know it's there.
So good.
So what about karmic relationship?
Is there a lot of karmic relationshipin this world at this moment?
And why?
There are a great deal of karmic place.
So, yeah, that's like my question
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isn't as as challenging
as it can be is if people listeningare finding themselves in them.
It's it actually speaksto the evolution of humanity in our souls,
because the karmic relationshipas challenging as it is,
and that is a very kind way to saythat many times the dark night of the soul
is brought on by your karmic relationship,your greatest life challenges
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some of the most toxic,
unhealthy moments of yourself in your lifewill be experienced with your karmic.
But so is the sense of awakening,
and so is this sense of excitementand passion and connection.
And we will feel that we have knownour karmic partner in past lives.
We will ultimately feel that connection.
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We will feel that bond.
Many times, just because of the chaoticnature of karmic relationships,
many times peoplefirst think that that's their twin flame.
But then we have to go through the processand we say, if this is love, this twin
flame love is the healthiest,
most kind of spiritual high lovethat we can experience in this lifetime.
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Would it besomeone that continually cheats on you?
Would it be someone that goes to you?
Would it be someonethat's emotionally unavailable or married?
And so that's trying to ground ita little bit in that reality of
you're feeling
this connection, you're feeling the bond,but it's so you can learn the lesson.
Not so the relationship can last forever,
the karmic relationship,the purpose of that in our lifetime,
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why we're calling that in and why somany of us are going through this or has
is that the karmic relationship allows usto really focus on healing ourselves.
And that's not just our childhood woundsor what we went through in grade school.
It's also, as this generationis being asked, we're also healing
the generational trauma and karmic lessonsthat previous generations
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just haven't been able to.
There's so much of that mentalitythat has shifted where
there was a survival mode for so longin previous generations,
and with the survival mode,you're not able to step into
and have the space to heal, to thrive,to explore more spiritual topics.
And so now that we'rein a different state, many of us,
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you're seeing moreand more people say, well,
what does it mean to not just survive,but thrive as a soul in this lifetime?
And that meansthat we have to look at healing
and healing our inner child,healing our generational wounds and karma
really allows us to get to a spacewhere we are connected.
I believe with our spirit,we are connected with our soul.
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We're feeling a greater connectionto the world around us.
We're lacking judgment.
We're more accepting.
We feel more confident, more secure,especially in terms of attachment.
And then at that point,usually in the karmic relationship,
the ultimate reason why it endsis that we finally learn what we deserve,
and we know thatwe're not asking for too much.
And so even if this, you know,the chemistry is off the charts,
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and even if it feels like you're nevergoing to be loved in the same way again,
it's that idea of, wait, I know thatI deserve more, I deserve consistency
and healthiness and I deserve commitment,whatever it might be.
And so being able to be in that placeof knowing our worth
is what helps us transition.
Eventually, as a karmic
where it's very much like once the lessonis learned, the teacher disappears.
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So true.
That's true.
But I, I, I'm questioningbecause looking at the star you're,
you know, is this karmic relationship.
It is for my perspective.
We choose this lifetime.
We have different pathways.
We can choose as we are in this thereparallel realities to call it that.
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And we are in cross points in our lives
where we can choose right to continuegoing that path or choose another path.
And I, for instance, feel
like you said the moon cycle,but also I'm looking at the stars.
I'm looking at y portals.
What what galactic energies are moving
in order to make a conscious decision
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on all levels like the spiritual,mental, emotional and the physical level.
What is the best time for mebeing a Scorpio, you know?
So I'm looking at my my sign.
So is the karmic relationshipthat you might know that you have where
you're experiencing and you're thinking,oh, this is really hard to get out of.
What is the best way to deal with
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the karmic relationshipwhen it comes to being a spiritual human
being on earth, having a soul,you know, being aware of the consciousness
of, you know, the stars and everything,the alignment of all that.
What is any tips, how we can moveor maybe yes.
Yeah. Let's talk about yes. Do that.
So if we're in a karmic relationship
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and we're saying okay how do I, how do I,how can I know for sure?
It's kind of like,how do I how can I get out of that?
How can I learn more?
So the first thing that you mightwant to do before we kind of get into,
let's say, more spiritualor deeper aspects is just say,
is there anything about my karmicrelationship that is familiar
or similar to anythingI went through as a child,
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one that helps open upour lens of having that conscious choice,
as you said, because we can chooseto be in a relationship for three years.
We can also choose to be in itfor 20 years.
It does come down to choice, and choiceis then defined by truth.
How much truth are we willingand have capacity for at any given time?
So looking at the relationshipsand saying, okay, honestly, for instance,
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it's quite similar if let's saywe had a parent when we were growing up
that had alcoholism quite free, quitesimilar to end up attracting a partner
who has that as well,or that you feel the need to take care of.
So those are the types of kind of thingsthat you want to pull out
of the relationships,
the next thing to reflect on is saying,okay, what are all of the ways
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that I felt like I wasn't seen or lovedor validated or cared for as a child?
When you have that list, I always sayI kind of envision it being one column
on the other side,then start thinking about what you can do
for yourself to start fulfillingthose needs.
It's not a matterof bringing it to your partner,
but it's first having youlook at what you can do for yourself.
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And then as far as the astrology goes,I think that plays a huge part.
And what I see with the astrologyis that we will be given windows
of opportunities, like for instance,Pluto is back in Capricorn, turning direct
next week.
That's the last time in our lifetimethat we are ever going to see that.
So that's quite a dramatic windowfor people who, let's say, has Capricorn
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in their fourth house, home and family,12th house of the subconscious.
So it's looking at
and being able to say,okay, what is going on with the astrology?
Why do I feel likeeverything is coming up?
Why am I having a dark night of the souland then being able
to embrace that time for whatthe purpose is?
Many times
I feel like
we experienced the most challenges when wefight against the reality of what is.
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Oh yeah, my.
My most favorite saying has becomeyou can only be where you are.
That's it.
Yes, any of us and only be where we are.
But it's we, we want it.
We want to finish the lesson.
We want to be in the futurewhere we have the love and the abundance.
We we want to be in this situationwhere we have all of this greatness or.
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But we can only be where we are.
And by practicing that, I feel like italso allows us to have more truths,
which then kind of begins that processof how to, let's say, seal
out of meeting the karmic relationshipas a mirror for our own selves.
I love
everything that you said therethat I'm like, yes, but but a question.
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Some people say karmic relationship
is similar to a toxic relationship.
Is that true in your book or is there,what do you call it?
Nuances.
I think that there's a spectrumof karmic relationships, again, depending
on, let's say, what you actually calledand what you need.
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For the most part,I would say the majority of karmic
relationships are unfortunately toxic.
That is where you're going to seea lot of addiction.
You're going to see, you know,
let's say traits of narcissism,you know, avoidant attachment.
That karmic relationship is onewhere you might even experience
or call in that partnerwho has mental health issues.
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And unfortunately, that's also the relationship where abuse is the most common.
So unfortunately,
yes, I think the karmic relationshipis the one by far that is the most toxic.
But I think that's why it's importantto remember, especially,
let's say, if we are in those toxicrelationships or it
has then become an abusive relationship,
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it can be very hard to feel empowered
and confident enoughto make that exit strategy,
to make the choice that you deserve more,that you deserve something healthier.
And so by understanding and realizing thatthere wasn't, you didn't miss any signs.
There was nothing that you didthat was wrong, that this was just
something that your soul called inbecause you're meant to become stronger
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and healthier and make different decisionsfor you and any children.
And so I think by being ableto kind of realize and align with that,
we're able to then moveand make those big decisions in our lives
without judgment or fear holding us back.
Yeah.
how many times, you know, wewe don't know the ultimate purpose.
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We can think that we know.
We can feel, we can follow our intuition,
but we don't ultimately knowthe purpose of a single decision.
And so often, those relationshipsthat truly are profound or that,
let's say that adoption to be able to exitan unhealthy relationship,
all of those thingscome about by just one single choice.
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Imagine that one single choice people.
It is like I always said, I chooseto listen to the guidance of spirit.
That I decidedafter the dark night of the soul
and the heard my own spirit,my soul speak to me.
I said, from now on, that's that's whatI'm going for, whatever that is telling
me. That is so such a loving voicethat I know it only has my best interest.
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And it's just I'm choosing that
I don't care how
hard the external world might illusion ofwhat's going on is looking at.
I am choosing thatand it hasn't been an easy path.
I mean, we have people around uswho think you're nuts, right?
When you startmaking choices that they say, oh yeah,
but I still feel like
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if it hadn't been for melistening and doing
what's right for me, I wouldn'tbe married to this, this beautiful man,
for 20 years,because he was not somebody I went for.
See, the toxic compared to what I neededor what I actually would fulfill
something much more in my lifeon a spiritual level,
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which means it's so much easierwith some a partner
that I feelsees me and accepts me for who I am.
And I think that is when I understoodthat, okay, so what is this relationship
that I mean, it's it's
because I do not feelit's a soulmate relationship.
I do not feel that because I feltthat when my my daughter and it doesn't
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does not mean that I don't lovemy husband.
I mean, I've been waiting for 20 years,but it's something different.
And that's makes me want to go inand talk about twin flames because I.
I'm curiousto hear your perspective on that.
Would you share what is a twin flameand how do we recognize a twin flame.
So let's say classically or historically,
the twin flame is described as one energythat has been split into two bodies,
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although every culture has their ownrendition.
In Greekis that humans were originally born with
two arms or four arms,four legs and two heads,
and the gods split us in halfbecause they thought us too powerful.
And so then that would meanthat we were forever
destined to wander the earthlooking for our other half.
So a lot of, let's say
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and again, just like everything elsein our world and society,
what we first discovered
or first believed about twin flames,just as in terms of, let's say, technology
and spirituality, all of that is evolvingas we're learning more.
And that's alsowhat has happened with Twin Flames.
So we're realizing that, yes,
there is a profoundand deep soul connection with Twin flames.
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It is one that can't be brokenand we can't ultimately choose
not to engage with itbecause it is part of our soul contract.
I believe in this lifetime,
but one of the most kind of newkind of discoveries is that,
unlike before,if we read a lot of the older Twin Flame
writings, they talk about the runnerand chaser phase,
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but really, that actually depictsthe attraction of the anxious and
the avoidant in the karmic relationshipand not the twin flame.
So the twin flame ultimately is attractedeither very much through kind of a means
that you even described with your husband,where it's like a friend of a friend.
But if you hadn't done this one choice,it wouldn't have turned out,
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twin flames can also be someonethat maybe has been in your life,
but perhaps you weren't kind of onthat same vibrational frequency just yet.
So the Twin Flame is someone that once wekind of make that choice for my soulmate,
we're going to listen to our own voiceand identify our truth,
and then we move through our karmicrelationship.
And I personally don't believethat there's any sort of perfection
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that we're any we're going to reach inthis lifetime as far as our healing, our
our goal is to not be perfect.
It's to simply embracewhat is and to be part of the process.
So so that that means that we'rewe're healing ourselves and that healing
is going to be an ongoing journey,because now we're aware of what we need.
And that might shift from day to day.
So once we have that aspect of worthinessand healing began in the karmic,
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then we start movinginto another phase of our lives.
And in that time frame,we become more aware
of what we personally need,what love means to us.
We're more comfortablewith our own selves.
We're comfortable in our own spaceadvocating for ourselves.
And so at that point, we're able to comeinto alignment with our twin flame.
Who has?
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Doesn't mean about being the sameas, let's say, more of a soulmate is,
but they are on a similar vibrational,so they are also ready
for that type of romantic relationshipand connection.
And the twin flame relationshipis really defined as two people
who has begunthe journey of consciousness,
who have begun the journey of work,of becoming their best self,
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which really is the selfthat our soul is destined to be.
And on that journey youthen can explore lands
and you can engage with itand continue to grow together.
Because, as you said,
both people are lovedand allowed and accepted just as they are,
which could be one version todayand another version five years from now
or even tomorrow.
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So the Twin Flame is really about
the love coming together of two peoplewho are kind of enmeshed
on that journey of growth and healingand awareness, and that there is
a profound level of self-acceptance,acceptance for the other.
And just that aspect of receiving,
because that does becomethe most difficult aspect,
because up until the twin Flame,we we're not really have been,
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let's say, lovedin the ways that we needed or desire
maybe bits and pieces here or breadcrumbs
at times, butnever actually that love and connection.
And so being able to fully receivethe Twin Flame
love into our lifeis it's a lesson of the relationship.
But it's it feels much, much differentthan the lessons of the karmic
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because we're we're opening ourselvesmore.
We're opening more of our heartsand more of our souls
to receive something that we actually knowthat we've always deserved.
So does that mean to use another word.
Opposites attract.
I've heard that is thatwould you say that that is sort of
or could be a description of a twin flame?
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It absolutely.
I would say is because I've,I've never encountered any twin
flame coupleswho, let's say are very similar.
You're not you're not going to getthat in that connection.
You're going to get one person who, let'ssay, is much more connected to spirit,
and they're having their altarand connecting with crystals,
and then you're going to get somebody elsewho is much more kind
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of grounding that personinto what this human life is.
And that's the whole idea.
And that's where I think originallythat aspect of let's say, the two hands
or the two bodies of energy came from
is that together there is balance.
So in the Twin Flame, it'snot about being the same,
but because we've accepted ourselves,we attract someone into our life
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who accepts themselvesand who is able to also accept us,
and that we're actually stronger togetherwith that sense of balance together
than if we would be, let's say, if we'rejust with someone who is, who is the same.
So and that's where I feel likeit's much more of a healed way of,
of dealing this type of relationship,rather than thinking that our twin flame
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will make us whole.
And let's saysome of the historical writings have said.
Yes, I so agree with you there too,
because nothing can make you wholeunless it's yourself.
I mean, you have to find thatwithin yourself, right?
is it true that we all go through
three different relationshipsin in one lifetime?
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That's a question.
Absolutely.
So we are seeing moreand more people doing that
because of that evolutionthat we're now in the place to do that.
However, that does not meanthat every single person in this lifetime
is meant to do that.
I because I truly believe that we do havea different purpose for our soul.
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I do not believe that if anybodyis in a truly toxic, unhealthy, or
abusive relationship, your fate or destinyis not to remain there.
That is the number one thing.
However, there are many peoplewho are still coming into this lifetime.
I think perhaps,maybe the youngest person I've spoken with
is maybe late 20s, early 30s,where it feels like
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potentially at this point they feel likemaybe their purpose is their soulmate.
And obviously that can change.
Life does change in ways that we can'timagine or predict all the time.
But I've also spoken, there'sa woman in her 70s that I connected with,
and we did her astrology chartand she ended up.
I've never seen this many in my life.
She had 12 soulmates,
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one that she had called and.
Oh, yes, like she had two commits,but they were very short time in college.
But 12 soulmates theseand actually partners
that she had been, you know, boyfriendor girlfriend with at a certain point
and one of them she had reconnected with.
And so we had a really honest conversationand she said, look, can we be honest?
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And I was like, of courseshe's like, I'm in. I'm in my 70s.
I think since 76.
She's like,is it bad if I stay with my soulmate?
And I told her I was like, absolutely not.
Because obviously you keep calling them.
It's 1 to 1. There's a purpose here.
I was like,but if this relationship feels good,
if it feels healthy, if you enjoy it,if you're comfortable with your life,
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if you're being respected,
then no, nothing bador catastrophic is going to happen.
You're not going to have done
something wrongif you choose to stay with your soulmate.
So I think more and morepeople are using relationships
kind of as that mirrorfor their own soul evolution.
But it doesn't mean, like yousaid, relationships aren't all the same
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and we're not all the same.
So I think that we do
have each our own purpose, butI don't think that that's wrong or bad.
I think just because let's saysomeone has a twin flame in this lifetime
and someone has a soulmate, it doesn'tmean one is worse off than the other.
It means perhaps the next lifetimethat person will have a soul mate
and that we're all I kind of look at itall is we're all at different
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kind of mileposts. On the similar journey.
So how can we call in our twin flame.
So there's numerous ways.
There's one obviously
we could definitely use that geologywhich I'll speak to in a second.
But to call it our own twin flame meansare we looking at ourselves.
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Are we are we still using other peopleto feel good, whether it's through
friends, friendswith benefits or something else?
Are we still seeking outside of ourselveswhat we need to give ourselves?
So really, the firstand best thing to call in that twin flame?
Amazing healthy love is to make surethat we're focusing on ourself,
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making sure that we're comfortablebeing alone, that we're enjoying it.
I always say it's kind of like this phaseof dating yourself for a period of time
where you just really enjoyyour own company,
and then at that point, it's making surethat we're putting ourselves out there.
In these situations,we don't all have to necessarily
download an appor go to the corner bar or whatever
it might be, but we do need to make surethat we're opening ourselves there.
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We go into a sound bathor we go into a lecture.
We going to different placesthat we enjoy,
where if we bump into someone,the universe actually has a way
to help bring something together.
Then there's alsothat aspect of using the moon rituals,
which I went into and written, the stars,where you can use
the zodiac sign of your own moon,and then let's say on a new moon,
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be able to set the intentionto call in your twin flame.
And by saying, I have done that work,I love myself, and I'm calling
someone into my lifeto love me and accept me just as I am.
And so I think All together is reallywhere we kind of resonate
with that highest power,where not only are we just planting
an intention with the moon,but we also have that that grounding.
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Everything's about balance,that grounded self work to kind of back up
our readiness for whatwe're saying that we desire.
I like that ritual.
Is it the new moon or full moon or both?
So with calling in a twin flame,you 100% want to do a new moon
because the new moonsrepresent new beginnings.
And then you want to incorporate crystals.
I mean, rose quartz is obviouslya great one.
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But tiger's eye can be really great too,for different aspects
of, let's say, passion and healthinessat the same time.
Courage, boldness.
I also love using herbs in rituals,whether it's just simply
putting rose petals with your intentionas you fold it
rosemary for healing and really making itsomething special and sacred.
I have, a bit of a garden rightoutside my front door
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and the amount of ritualsplanted in that garden.
We love it.
It's a sacred space. It really is.
Underneath all the minted roses.
There's so many intentions in there.
Okay, I could talk to you forever. This.
This topic is wonderful.
I love this topic, but, time flies and Ireally want to hear your point of view on
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what do you think
we should, as a collective,
do to,
how should I sayit, open ourselves up to more love.
Like the pure love,the unconditional love.
Any any suggestions?
Because there's we're talking
to so many different signsat this time, right where we're all
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but but there is a unity force in placehere, a collective.
So what would you say is the best tipsor anything
you can talk to the collectivethat we all can can get some
inspiration from if you wish.
The purest love is the one that I believeis without judgment,
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and that also is oneI truly believe that is born within.
So even, let's say,beginning a daily ritual of your gratitude
and compliments for yourselvesfor who you are, not what you do,
not what you do for workor the roles that you feel for others.
But expressing that gratitudefor yourself, even simply saying,
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actually, I am gratefulboth of us showed up for this today,
and having that genuine meaningin our heart and our purpose in it.
Because the more that we can expressgratitude for ourselves,
even if we're not quite sure how to embodythat pure, unconditional love.
Gratitude,I believe, paves the way for that.
And when the more gratitude
that we have, the less room for judgmenteither of self or others I think exists.
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Beautiful.
And I so agree with you again,because this time period
that we're in the shiftwe are all experiencing,
it is the collective
release of judgmentthat really will set us free.
I completely agree, yeah.
So I am so with you and I love ourconversation and I love you, Kate Rose.
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I mean, seriously, this is beautiful.
I want everyone to go and get the book
because I think this is really somethingthat we can cherish for ourselves.
Like this is a sanctuaryto get to know ourselves,
to do some inner work without and funinner work not.
You know, I think learning about yourselfshould be fun.
I mean, it. Should be enjoyable.
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And you,you should enjoy getting to know yourself.
So true, so true.
So any final words for everyone?
Watchingor listening to this podcast today?
Just never give up hope.
No matter what your past has involved,you have gone through
precisely what you were meant to doto bring you to this moment.
And now, by learning from it,
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you can have all of the love,the life, the abundance that you desire.
It is all possible.
Well, thank you so much.
It's been a pleasure to have youon the Spiritual Quest podcast,
and you're always welcome to come backand share your wisdom with us.
I appreciate you, Kate and Kate so much,
and thank you, everyone for being hereand joining us for this conversation.
(45:10):
I appreciate you all,and I hope you found some inspiration
in what Kate has shared with us today.
And before I end,I want to share a small thing with you
that I well, I think it touched meand I wanted to share it.
It's a quote and it is from Kate Roseand it's from written in the stars.
So I'm going to end with thisand I wish you all the best.
(45:33):
So here we go.
Even on your darkest
days, when you are unsure how to go on
how it will ever feel okay again,
the stars are aligned in your favor.
Thank you everyone for being here.
I love you all.
Bye now.
(46:12):
Let me. Get.
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