May 22, 2025 • 44 mins
Imagine sitting across from the woman who pioneered an entire field of human-animal connection. Penelope Smith, often called the grandmother of interspecies telepathic communication, shares her extraordinary journey on the Spiritual Spotlight Series with refreshing clarity and wisdom.
From her earliest memories, Smith refused to accept the prevailing notion that animals were "less than" humans. While society insisted animals couldn't think or feel deeply, she knew differently. Her unwavering certainty eventually led her to become a trailblazer in the 1970s, developing methods to help people reconnect with their natural ability to communicate telepathically with animals.
What makes this conversation particularly fascinating is how Smith frames animal communication not as a special gift for the few, but as our birthright that's been socialized out of us. "Most people are socialized out of all their intuitive abilities," she explains. "We're a very analytical society." The path back to this connection requires shifting from our logical minds to deep listening—heart to heart, soul to soul.
Perhaps most profound is Smith's observation that animals have never forgotten their spiritual nature, while humans have. Animals don't get caught in mental loops or identity crises. When asked about their purpose, they respond with clarity—whether it's a dog who says "I'm here to help my person through tough times" or another who simply wants a peaceful retirement after a difficult previous life. This clarity offers humans a mirror for our own spiritual journey.
After decades of teaching worldwide, Smith is offering an unprecedented opportunity—a comprehensive six-month certification program starting September 8th through the Shift Network. For those who've wished to study with this pioneering teacher, this represents a rare chance to learn methods and wisdom she hasn't had the opportunity to share before.
Ready to discover what your animal companions have been trying to tell you? Visit animaltalk.net to learn more about telepathic communication and register for Smith's upcoming programs.
Your relationship with animals—and yourself—may never be the same.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
hello everyone.
Welcome to our spiritualspotlight series.
Today I am joined by penelopesmith.
She is a grandmother ofinterspecies telepathic
communication.
Pelopi, thank you so much forcoming on the spiritual
spotlight series.
I'm so happy you're here.
Thank you, I'm glad to be heretoo.
So can you take us back to thebeginning?
When did you first realize thatyou could communicate
(00:25):
telepathically with animals, andhow did that discovery shape
your early path?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, I always communicated with animals.
I never did not.
So as a very tiny child I wasalways reaching out for animals
and I knew that they were justlike me, that we were fellow
beings.
So I just communicated withthem and then I didn't fall into
the usual socialization thatpeople get with it.
You know, I got the samedrumming about oh, you're very
(00:52):
imaginative, yes, that's, orit's false, or whatever, the
usual thing.
And of course that's many yearsago.
Now things are changing.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
But I didn't fall for that.
I said no way am I gonna, thisis too good, I'm not gonna let
go of my animal friends or anddishonor them, right, you know?
Because the ongoing thought wasthat, oh, animals are less than
they aren't intelligent, theycan't feel, they can't think.
(01:23):
You know the whole thing.
And I said no way, so I'll justkeep it to myself.
So I, of course, at that agethat's a long time ago I never
thought about, well, I'm goingto be an animal communicator.
There was no such thing.
I mean, I actually became apioneer, one of the pioneers in
the field in the 1970s, but mygoal was, my mission in life was
(01:49):
always to help people to wakeup, to realize who they were, to
become happier, because I sawthat people didn't know that
they were spiritual beings andpeople really didn't start
waking up much to that until the60s, right, and so you know.
And then then finally, I couldmeet some people actually were
on that path of recognizing thattheir spiritual beings are on a
(02:13):
conscious spiritual path togrow and to help others, and the
whole thing.
There were other, obviously,religions and spiritual
movements around, but the bigmovement that changed everything
really started in the 60s.
So then we had people waking upand so then that was great, and
so I became a spiritualcounselor for people, and then I
(02:34):
applied what I learned withhumans to help them through
problems and traumas to animalsand I found, whoa, animals are
so fast and they heal soamazingly quickly.
They're so open and willing.
So that was the start of it all, and my first client was in
(02:55):
1971.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
And that's just so amazing.
And also, like I mean, I feellike, yes, back then, a lot of
spiritual people were in thecloset and I commend you for
being out and doing this workand continuing to do this work,
Like it's just so amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, people weren't.
You know, it was not the thingto talk about spiritual things
and I was extremely spiritual soI just kept to myself about it.
And I was extremely spiritual,so I just kept to myself about
it.
But of course I could talk tothe animals and the trees and
the sky and all the spiritsaround me and I just, I wasn't
(03:33):
alone, but the humans werepretty dense.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yes, very dense.
I have a friend that's a mentorof mine and she said that she
used's do yoga in Boston.
They used to hide like kind ofdown in a cellar to do yoga in
the, you know, in the seventies.
It's just, it's fascinating tome.
To you know, you are definitelyone of the pioneers for this,
for this field, which is amazing.
So how did your academicbackground in social sciences
(04:00):
influence?
Your work in interspecies,communication and emotional
healing for animals influence?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
your work in interspecies, communication and
emotional healing for animals.
Well, I would say that thewhole thrust of all work in
psychology, sociology is helpingothers really.
But the way they did it was notthe way I was oriented.
I was oriented more to includethe spiritual.
So I became a spiritualcounselor, focusing on people's
(04:26):
spiritual journey as well and,of course, releasing traumas and
all your old programs is partof the spiritual journey.
But I took a different angle toit than just okay, there's
psychological types, etc.
Okay, there's psychologicaltypes, etc.
(04:47):
So really it was more part ofthe whole movement of people
waking up in the 70s, 60s and70s, where people were more open
to things like yoga andmeditation.
It's just started and reallygetting known widely and so this
was natural for me.
I went wow, I've always lovedanimals, of course, and I just
(05:08):
went wow, this is so incredible.
And what I noticed after I diddifferent sessions with people
because people found out I wasdoing this and I was doing
various different people withproblems with their animals and
behavior or illness or whatever,and then I found that it woke
people up.
(05:28):
I went okay, I've been doing itthis way and helping people to
wake up by focusing them ontheir spiritual journey and how
to remember themselves as spirit.
But this is so much moregratifying because when people
start to realize that animalsare spiritual beings, guess what
?
They go well, gee, you know ifthey're so aware.
(05:50):
And of course, people had noclue that animals were so aware
and they would ask me questionslike you mean they make
decisions, you mean theyactually think about themselves.
And I'm going yes, and so thenwhen people of course, love
their animals, but when theywoke up to that their animals
were more aware and that theycould have a dialogue, and it
(06:13):
was really up to them to open upthe at people and go OK, I'm
talking to you, is anybody home,is anybody listening?
So then they'd have to do theusual bark at them or paw at
(06:37):
them, but if you communicatetelepathically, you don't have
that barrier anymore.
So, yeah, it was very exciting,very exciting time.
So I focused on education.
There were a few other peoplewho were also doing this work,
but they were more focused onthe consultations, which was
good, yeah.
But I said well, we got to wakeit up in people.
(06:59):
I want to wake this up.
I know it's a natural abilityright Right.
Yes, been socialized out of, butit's in here and they're
deprived if they don't have thisability.
So I went okay, I'll get onevery radio program, I'll do
every interview magazines,newspapers, tv, you name it.
(07:20):
And and lecture, did a lot oflectures to clubs, you know, dog
clubs, horse clubs, cat clubs,you know, just waking people
going to metaphysical bookstoresand waking those people up who
thought that only humans evolved, that only humans were
conscious.
I mean, at that time people hadno concept that animals were
(07:40):
also spiritually aware, in factin some ways more spiritually
aware than people, because theynever forgot and had to regain
the consciousness that they werespiritual beings.
Playing a dog or cat game, Ilove that.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
So you kind of just touched on this a little bit.
So you believe that everyone isborn with the ability to
connect telepathically withanimals?
On this a little bit.
So you believe that everyone isborn with the ability to
connect telepathic animals.
What blocks that?
What blocks that ability andmost people, and how can we
begin to restore that?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah.
So most people are socializedout of all their intuitive
abilities.
You know we're very analyticalsociety, even now.
I mean, obviously there'swidespread movement that's
growing and growing and growing.
For the past 50 years, 60 years, you know where people are
waking up more and more to theirintuitive abilities.
But most people really doubt it.
(08:33):
You know, they go no, Icouldn't do it.
Even if they think you can doit, they go well, I don't have
that.
I said, well, actually you do,you know, but it requires a
different mode.
Said Well, actually you do, youknow, but it requires a
different mode.
It's not a logical mode whereyou analyze the animal and you
go Well, let's see, their headis turning this way.
It means this.
You know, it's not anything todo with that.
(08:56):
It's about deep listening andopening to a whole different
reality, a reality of spiritualconnection heart to heart, a
whole different reality, areality of spiritual connection
heart to heart, soul to soul,connection with other beings
that are not your species, so inyour experience, I think this
(09:18):
is a question I definitely wantanswered.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
How do animals view humans, and what wisdom do they
consistently wish to share withus?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Well, it depends on what animals you're talking
about.
They're all individuals.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So each are going to have different views of people.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Obviously, our domesticated animals are with us
, are used to us, and so youfind many animals who come in to
this life with the purpose ofI'm going to wake my person up,
I'm going to help them on theirspiritual journey, I'm going to
get them through their toughtimes.
They're like really angels,guardian angels.
(09:53):
And then there are others whoare having a really tough time
themselves, and so they kind ofmirror to people their own
fragility, their own placeswhere they have issues, and so
they're working on it together.
You know they're helping eachother on the path which is we
(10:14):
all.
All ways are, you know,whatever species we are.
But what was the other part ofyour question?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I think there was, and what wisdom do they
consistently want to share withus?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah.
So again, when you'recommunicating depends who you're
communicating with.
Animals have all differentkinds of awareness.
You know, they're individualsjust like humans.
So you have humans that arevery awake and you have humans
that have no clue of who theyare, clue of who they are.
So you have, generally, animalsare very awake to who they are,
(10:47):
but they may have be havingdifficulties in this life,
particularly if they'reconnected with humans.
They're connected with humans,they generally take on and get
enmeshed with the energy ofhumans and the life of humans,
which is restricted.
So then, when you're talkingabout but you'll find incredible
wisdom to share and if you askthem about what can I do for my
(11:10):
life to make it better, let youknow.
Okay, I recommend that you takea walk every day, let's go out,
you know.
Or they'll say, yeah, let's,let's go out and let's look at
the birds together.
You know, I mean they'll giveyou things like that, say you're
domestic animals.
But then it depends on whatquestions you ask.
(11:31):
If you ask your animals whatcan I do to help heal the planet
, or what can humans do to helpyou heal the planet, then you'll
get a vaster, because it's abigger question.
You'll get a vaster answer.
And particularly if you askwild animals, they'll tell you.
They'll say well, this is whatI see and this is what our
(11:52):
species is seeing.
This is what we're experiencingand this is how you can help,
and particularly when you getthe animals that are very in
tune to the whole planet, likethe whales yeah, you know, they
have just vast connectionsthroughout the whole planet, so
you'll get.
I mean, all you have to do islisten to them and you'll do the
right thing.
(12:12):
You know you'll do the rightthing for the planet and for
everybody on it, because that'swhat they're attuned to.
You know they focus on.
You know they're a spiritcoming in, just like us, right?
You know they're a spiritcoming in, just like us, right?
You know they, instead of in ahuman body, they're in a whale
body or an elephant body or adog body or whatever, and they
focus on doing what it isthey're meant to do as a dog or
(12:33):
a whale or an elephant, and theyalso have their spiritual
journey.
So we're all in this together,right?
And when you listen to theanimals who, like I said, when I
started counseling animals, Iwent, oh my gosh, they're so
fast, unlike with humans, whereyou take hours and hours and
hours to work through a traumaor get a big result, a big
(12:56):
change in behavior With animals.
I'm going whoa, that was a halfan hour session and we just had
a complete change in theirentire life and that's what blew
me away.
So you're talking about beingswho are not all wrapped up in
their minds, right?
Right, you know.
So with humans, humans get lostin their minds.
I mean, we have very creativeminds, but our minds also have
(13:19):
an automatic aspect where theyget loops that we can get caught
in.
And if we aren't masters of ourspiritual awareness and our
minds and make decisions on howwe're going to be clear, or then
we get, just get taken away bythe mind.
People get do horrible thingsbecause they follow their mind
(13:42):
loops and their traumas that are, you know, wrapping them up.
And so you know, if you listento animals, you get a different
perspective.
You get a perspective on theimportant things in life.
You know it's the same way.
When people really clear outtheir mental confusion, they get
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to the same conclusions.
All the spiritual masters getto the same conclusions and
what's really important, likekindness and regarding another
being as the same as you, thatwe're united.
You know that you're looking atyourself in the mirror when
you're looking at another beingno matter what body they have
and no matter what they're doing.
(14:25):
There we are, and so you'll getthat from animals over and over
again, and they'll also be veryhonest about their programming.
You know their cat programmingor their dog programming and
they'll say well, this is what Ido as a dog and this is what I
need, right, you know, and Ineed this, or a cat, I need this
and I need that, and it's verystraightforward and there's no
(14:47):
if.
Oh, dear, I better not do that,like humans do.
Oh, maybe that's not good forme, or, you know, instead of
just calling it straight andgoing well, this is what I need
as a human and this is what Ineed to take care of my body.
Well, animals, you don't havethat confusion.
Sounds like and there they are.
They've got the physical downthe emotional.
(15:09):
Of course animals can haveemotional difficulties.
It's mostly domesticatedanimals, but you'll get some
aberrations, some strangenessesin wild animals too, you know,
because you get a pretty clearview of what life is about and
(15:33):
humans don't have that.
I mean some humans do, but Imean I'm talking about it's not
real clear for people Right,people are kind of floundering,
they kind of go.
Well, where's the operator'smanual?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
What's my life's mission?
What am I here to do?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What am I to do?
What am I exactly exactly andtotally unclear about that.
Where you ask an animal,they'll just tell you this is
what it's about for me, and itmay be very mundane.
You know, I've had, I remember,a dog who told me well, I came
in, I had a very hard life thelast life and I came in to take
a break.
I just want to.
It was a dog and he said I justwant to sit in the corner, have
(16:16):
my meals fed to me, go out forwalks, love people and have it
pretty quiet.
I don't want to be messed withand I don't want complexities.
Don't ask me to save the world.
I'm here just to chill, youknow.
And then you'll have other dogswho will just tell you you know,
they've got a mission to helpthese people and these people
(16:38):
and they're and they're going toum continue, no matter how hard
it is, to help people to learnhow to love themselves.
I mean quite amazing, quiteamazing what animals.
But they're all individuals.
You got to just, you know,realize that you can't say
animals or you can't say dogs,because they're individuals.
So one dog will say this,another dog will say that, and
(17:01):
they'll say different things atdifferent times, but they're
pretty clear.
You know, the times they getconfused are when they've been
traumatized, you know.
So you get rescued animalswho've been beaten or abused.
Then they get confusion becausethey're hurt and they're trying
to protect themselves.
They're trying to prevent itfrom happening again and that's
where the counseling comes in.
Uh, really handy, even foranimals I really like that.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You, you, you, you remind me that it's an
individual, the animal is anindividual, and also that it
just sounds like in the human.
We just get so junked up in ourmind but the animal is living
from a different perspective.
And to have that for being thepioneer of this industry, to
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have that clarity and thatclearness, what a, what a gift
that has been for you, you know,and for the people that you
well, it's a natural thing, see.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So I don't even understand how people can live
without it to be disconnectedfrom trillions of beings who
live with us on the planet, tobe to think of them as things or
that you're far away from them.
Or even people who love animalsstill have this, often have
this separation, like, oh, youknow what is he thinking, I
(18:18):
don't know what's happening withhim, why don't you ask him?
Oh, I can't do that.
And right away all theself-doubt comes in invalidation
.
And it's the socialization youknow.
Nobody has showed them whatthis is and how natural it is.
And then, once people catch on,it's sort of like this big gap.
(18:41):
For a lot of people it's a gapof spiritual awareness of not
only who animals are, but whothey are.
Because if you really know thatyou're connected right and that
you can telepathicallycommunicate with other beings,
including humans, right, whenyou don't have this barrier,
(19:01):
right, it's just there and it'snatural and you're not afraid.
But people get so afraid oh, Idon't know if I can do this
right, or I'm going to let myanimal down, or I'm going to get
the wrong answer.
You know, I mean only humans dothat.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yes, I mean, even as you're saying that, I was like,
wow it's.
I mean I think about my, I have, I have a dog and two cats, and
I'm thinking about Gatsby and I, we.
He kind of came to us as arescue but he came right before
my brother died and I'm justlike, wow, like, and he's been
such an emotional comfort for me, as you know.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I hope I have been for him as well, and it's just
like wow, like maybe he cameinto our life to go through that
.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, you know, I was like I wish I am, I am.
And then I think about my twocats in there.
I call them little gang membersbecause I feel like they walk
down our hallway like this, likehey, give me my food.
I will ask them.
They just have such you, andyou're right, they, they're
their own individuals and theyhave such unique and they have
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such unique personalities andthey're just and there's so much
more to know about them.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
You know, people peg their animals just like they peg
people right?
They?
Put them in little boxes and gowell he thinks this way, or he
only wants food, he only wantsthis.
How do you even know?
We don't, because we didn't askthem, you didn't ask them, you
didn't communicate with them.
Right, and the same way withpeople who say, well, animals,
they aren't aware of this, theyaren't aware that I said how do
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you even know?
Do you communicate with them?
Did?
you find out.
You know it's just like peggingpeople.
You know all that kids is dumbor whatever.
Well, how would you even knowif you didn't get into their
world and find out from themwhat's going on?
So, again, these are thebarriers that get in the way of
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this soul-to-soul communicationand, again, this natural feeling
.
It's not unnatural, it's notsomething weird or unusual, but
we have been so socialized, soprogrammed in our thinking, and
this is a shame.
You know.
I see it, the difference inindigenous people and, again,
(21:19):
the current indigenous people.
He raised their children veryclose to the earth and the
children are all part of thecommunity.
They never regard the children.
The children oh, he's thislittle thing that we have to
take care of.
No, the kid does whatever theycan do, right, and they're part
of the community from day one,right.
(21:39):
So I've met young indigenouspeople.
They have a whole different.
They don't do all this fudgingthat young people in our western
society do.
Oh, mom's unsure of myself, andoh, oh, oh.
All this kind of stuff is notthere.
They're secure.
They look around becausethey're attuned like animals.
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We are animals, we're humananimals, but we've lost our
animal nature.
An animal is spirit Animal,anima.
Anima is spirit, animal anima,anima means spirit.
And so when we lose thatconnection, see, we got back to
it right now.
If everybody got back to it,they'd live on the earth in a
whole different way.
You would not have thispollution, you would not have
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this taking away from the earthor grabbing resources or doing
things without consideringeveryone around you and how we
can all share.
Right, you know, you don't seea group of elephants going and
going.
Okay, this is mine, don't youtake any of it?
(22:44):
No, they just all eat together.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Right, right.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's like their own community that we're missing
right now as humans, ascommunity, and so exactly, and
the animals can show us, notjust by looking at their
physical nature.
Their physical nature isfantastic, it's very beautiful,
but if we look only through thehuman eyes, we make assumptions
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that are not necessarily thecase of what's going on behind.
What is the tortoise thinking?
What is the wolf thinking?
What is happening with them?
Now, people who get quiet andthey sit with animals, they
naturally start opening uptelepathically.
They start to get the animal'sfeelings and their thoughts, not
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the false thoughts of oh well,a bear thinks this way or a wolf
thinks, or.
I read this in a book.
You know people have to get allthrough that.
You wouldn't believe in all thecourses I've taught, the things
people bring up.
They bring up all theirsocialization.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
This is what I've heard.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Is this true, Penelope?
I said ask the animals, They'lltell you.
They'll tell you and you'llfind out.
It's very different than whathumans think.
Now some humans are very aware.
So you get some very good books, but they're oriented in a
different way.
To animals as fellow beings,then it's a different thing,
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rather than animals as thosethings out there that we have to
study.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
No, I love that and I think this is also important
because we're going to starttalking about.
You actually have a six monthtraining that is coming up on
September 8th on the SHIPnetwork and it's become
certified as an animaltelepathic communication
counselor upon satisfaction ofall program requirements.
So I do want to talk about thatfor a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, this is pretty phenomenal really.
You know, rachel, I had prettymuch stopped teaching.
Spirit had directed me to justgo deeper into the spiritual
journey.
I mean, I was way, I was pastwhat people consider retirement
age and and really everythingwas leaning that way.
And spirit just pushed me andsaid Nope, no more documentaries
(25:01):
, no more public appearances, nomore, you're going to stay and
you're going to stay in there.
And I just and I kept in touchwith people, I mean through the
website and and emails and stuff, but I didn't.
You know, I get people wantingto do documentaries and I'd say
I'm sorry I can't do that rightnow and I would just.
(25:23):
And then it all changed.
Spirit brought me back, saidokay, in 2021, 2021.
Spirit said now you're going togo out again.
I said, okay, how you know?
I mean, of course, it wasinternet then in 2021.
And so I started going onsymposiums and started doing, uh
, these kind of things podcastsand and and different online
(25:45):
classes that people sponsored,and it all started.
And then I've been working withShift Network.
I've done several courses inthe past year Very deep, very
beautiful.
I totally enjoy working withthe Shift Network Fantastic
people, a fantastic venue.
Anyway, I've taught afoundation course and an
(26:08):
advanced course, and now we'regoing to do something I have
never done before, andparticularly online.
I mean, I've taught courses allaround the world, but
everything I did was in person,right, right, I footed around
the world, I traveled and taughtmy courses and my training
program, but online you have abig, huge potential to do so
(26:30):
much more.
Yes, you do, you know, eventhough it's not in person and
you miss that.
You know contact and you haveto change everything online
because you know that's what I'min the middle of in this past
year is, oh my gosh, shiftingeverything from online.
When I used to walk out, weused to talk to the mountains
and the trees, but right therewith them, you know where you
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could touch.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I'm going.
Okay, all right, I have tolearn a different way.
So now I'm well into it andwe're going to do a whole
certification program.
And this is people.
When I stopped teaching, peoplesaid, oh, I wish I could have
studied with you when you werestill teaching.
(27:14):
I wish I.
You know, I kept getting emailsall the time saying people oh,
are you sure you won't go backand teach, are you sure?
I said I don't know.
You know, I just follow whatspirit guides me right now.
I meant to do this deepspiritual work.
Right, that's what I'm meant todo here and that's the light
that I'm meant to bring to theearth.
(27:34):
But here I am, and so I tellpeople this is really a once in
a lifetime thing.
I put together all my materials.
I'm giving people things Inever even had a chance to teach
before because we didn't havetime.
I couldn't spend weeks withpeople.
I had to keep moving andreaching more people around the
world.
You realize that there'sgenerations of animal
communicators because of me, andI wanted to reach as many
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people as I could, and so thenthey reached people and you know
we have all kinds of people andaway it goes, and so I didn't
have the chance to sit weekswith people and teach them
counseling methods and otherhealing methods.
You know, I did.
I did teach them and then boostthem out and say get out there.
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And you know, they apprenticedwith me and they learned how to
teach us and get out there, doit, you know, because we need to
reach as many people aspossible.
And now they're doing it.
And now, of course, becausesince the 70s it was rising, so
a lot of people rose up likepopcorn all around the planet
going oh I have this ability, Ican communicate with them.
(28:41):
You know, so it's themorphogenetic field, it's just
spreads.
And so now, here we are.
I'm going wow, I'm so excitedabout this program.
I'm going to get really deepwith people because in this
online program we have ourintegration sessions as well as
our class sessions.
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We have home assignments andthen we come back and we get to
go over them.
So there'll be a lot ofmentoring that we couldn't do in
our previous courses because ofthe time, and so we've built
that all in and, wow, it'sreally packed, it's really juicy
, it's going to be delicious forpeople, not only for people who
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want to be professional animalcommunicators.
But people just want to deepdive, you know, into their own
path.
Obviously, if you're going to dothis course, you love animals.
You know people are attractedto a program because they they
want to communicate more deeply.
So this will give you everyweek.
I can guarantee that we'rewe're going to go deep.
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Everything is about this isdeep dive and you'll learn
things that you didn't learnbefore, that you didn't
encounter before, and so it'squite an amazing comprehensive
program.
I'm going whoa I mean I've gotit all laid out and I'm working
on it to fill in all the classes.
(30:07):
And now, but I would say topeople, particularly those
people that wanted to study forme for years, do it now.
Do it now, because this is nota program that you can then do
afterwards because it's all hasto be done in person.
You know I'm going to be goingover case studies with people.
It has to be done here.
(30:28):
You know, obviously people cando the recordings if they miss
it because they're in adifferent time zone or something
.
But you can't just jump inafterwards and go, oh well, I'll
do the certification later.
It might not be done again andyou know I'm up in years now.
I mean you have to be realistic.
I mean.
So I say okay, if you want tostudy with me, if you want to
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study with me and if you want totake a viewpoint of really
inclusiveness of all beings.
This is where I'm, where I comefrom.
You know this communicationapplies to every kind of being,
whether we're talking aboutanimals or mountains, or rivers,
or spirits who have gone on.
It applies to everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
One of the things go ahead, yeah, sorry.
No, no, don't be sorry, no, oneof the things that I like that
this program is for end of lifesupport and grief counselors,
and I like the fact that youtouch upon and I'm sure you go
deep in offering compassionateguidance and how do you manage a
practitioner through that andwhy do you feel that that is,
(31:35):
that this program is beneficialfor you know somebody that maybe
is a grief counselor or end oflife support?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's very important that one of the things that I've
found is that relieves people alot from their suffering of a
loss of an animal friend islearning how to communicate with
them beyond and feeling thatdeep connection.
It's no different thancommunicating with them in
person, other than you don'thave that soft fur body to touch
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.
But what happens with people isthey get rid of the guilt.
See a lot of people run guilttrips on themselves.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
That hurts them so much.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
They suffer so much.
Oh, if only I did that, if onlyI did that, you know, and it's
so awful.
But the animals never holdanything against people and
they'll tell you.
They say, ah, I had a greatlife with you, it was wonderful.
Yes, I had to die.
You know, it's the way it is.
You have to die one way oranother through a disease, or
you get hit by a car or whatever.
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You know, the body getseliminated one way or another
because you have to move on.
Yeah, and they'll tell you, youknow, and they'll, they'll thank
you for your connection withthem and the love, and the love
carries on and you just don'tdisconnect from your friends.
You know, no matter who hasgone on, you'll find that.
(32:55):
You know, it's the greatrecycling center.
You know we come back fromdifferent lives and we meet
beings that we knew before.
You know we have our soulfamily and we meet them again.
You just don't divorce fromsomebody you love like that.
You know, like the animal isgone, oh, I'll see them in the
beyond.
Well, why not now Exactly?
(33:16):
Why not be connected?
Why not connect with them nowand feel them?
Right?
You know, sometimes I mean,I've had the experience of
animals going on and there's somuch right here.
I'm holding them in my arms andI can feel them, and then
people will see them out of thecorner of their eyes.
They'll see a little flash oftheir animal going by.
(33:36):
There's all different ways.
They communicate to you and letyou know they're there, you
don't lose them.
And then you want yourquestions answered so you know,
like what happened.
Why did this have to be?
And the animals will help youwith that.
And so, for grief counselors orfor people who are healers in
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any way, or for animal trainers,everything we do here will
enhance whatever it is thatyou're doing.
So, like I talk to trainers, Isay you know, I'm not an animal
trainer, but what I do when I,in quotes, train animals is I
just tell them what I need andthen why they need to do it,
(34:19):
like with dogs.
Okay, I need you to sit, thisis how you do it.
Okay, you got that.
But I only need you to sit inthese situations with people who
are nervous around dogs, orblah, blah, blah.
We don't need to have it like arobot.
You don't have to, like,constantly command the dog and
sit.
So I do it my own way.
But I said, okay, your trainersincorporate the telepathic
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communication, they'llunderstand better.
Yeah, and also please give thema reason why they're doing it.
You know animals really catch onto things really fast.
Like, if you have a service dog, they're right in on that.
They came in to be that servicedog.
You know they're going right.
Right, I got it.
I got it.
I got it.
You know they get everythingreally fast.
(35:03):
But some things are confusingthat people want animals to do
or they're against the animal'snature.
You know, like the cats like togo to high places.
So they're always sitting onyour counters.
Or, you know, in your face byyour computer or whatever.
So you explain to them becauseyou have a different viewpoint.
You know, as a human, you knowthey don't care about that
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computer screen or they'll lookat it and they'll bat at it.
You know if they see anothercat on it.
But you explain to them.
I really that's helps me tocommunicate with other people.
Oh, okay, so sit up in the wayof the screen.
I got it.
I got it.
Or, you know, on the counters.
Well, you know, I'm okay withyou being on the comms, but I
don't really want cat hair in myfood.
(35:47):
So when I'm eating I reallydon't want you right next to me
with the hair floating into myfood.
You know you explain it and theyget it.
And then you work with them onthe boundaries.
You know.
I mean I've said I hadconversations with my cats like,
ok, you're sticking your headin my bowl.
Do I stick my head in your bowlwhen you're eating?
(36:07):
No, you like your food, youdon't want me If I stuck my head
in your bowl.
You like your food, you don'twant me If I stuck my head in
your bowl.
You would be very upset aboutthat.
So I like it either.
And they go oh right, I get it.
You know you just set theboundaries.
You talk to them like you wouldtalk to anybody.
Yeah, absolutely.
(36:28):
And it becomes, everythingbecomes easier.
So I would say anybody in ananimal related field you're
going to find this is going tobe helpful to you.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
So another thing that you've brought together with
this six month mentorshipprogram, certification program,
is that you actually have animpressive group of guest
faculty like Tammy Billups andVal Hart.
How do their teachingscomplement your vision for this
program like?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Tammy Billups and Val Hart.
How do their teachingscomplement your vision for this
program?
Well, they add on sobeautifully because these people
have specialized in certainareas.
Oh nice.
You know, like all through mycareer, I brought up things
throughout time that otherpeople then took as a specialty.
So they became really, reallygood at it and they can teach
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people in a different waybecause that's their thing,
right?
So I took some of these peopleand most of them are trained
with me and I took them and Isaid Would you do this?
Of course, but you know they'vebeen doing this for 30, or even
40 years some of them, and sothey've been doing this for 30
or even 40 years some of them.
(37:35):
And so you know, because Istarted training 50 years ago,
so they're really good at whatthey do, so it adds a different
perspective.
Of course, everybody has theirown talents.
Everybody has their viewpoints.
You always learn from differentperspectives.
There isn't any one way oflooking at things, as we find
out in life.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
It's so very true.
I'm just thinking about I'mactually a registered nurse in
my day job and I run a doctor'soffice and everybody looks at
even a patient.
Everyone has a differentviewpoint.
It's a different perspective.
It's so true.
So I love that.
For someone that's feeling thecall to join your September
(38:14):
program but maybe they're unsureif they're ready I put that in
quotations what would you say toencourage them to trust the
journey?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
event coming up which is May 10th, and it will be
replayed.
And then, if you miss both ofthe replays, you get a recording
and it's it gives you a realtaste of what telepathic
communication is, what you cando with it, and I'd say that's a
good entry point for people youknow.
I mean, of course I have mybooks also and I have all my
educational materials on mywebsite, but I'd say, if you're
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interested in this program,that's the way to go.
Yeah, as you go and go, you cango to my website, animaltalknet
, go to the events page andthere's a link right to register
for this event.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
And it's very comprehensive.
Like I said, the Shift networkthey do things right.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Well, and I like the fact that you're saying like
look, I have things that Ihaven't had time to bring out,
like it's almost like a vaultexperience of hey I, this is
something I haven't taught on, Iknow it, but you know, I love
that.
It's like this intimate part is.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I have been doing this for a long time, all these
different things, but I didn'thave a chance to teach people.
You know, we could only do somuch in person, you only.
You know one body.
You can only go to so manyplaces.
You can only reach so manypeople.
And online, wow, limitless.
Yeah, it brings the world toyou instead of you having to go
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all around and then reachingonly a certain amount of people.
I mean, I loved it in terms ofthe personal connection.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
And for our last question.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You have trained thousands and been called the
grandmother of this field.
What has it meant to watch yourteachings ripple across the
world through your students?
Well, I actually knew this wasgoing to happen and I wrote
about it in my first book,animal Talk.
I said I see it and I see thatthis will become, you know, sort
of a household world.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
And that was my goal.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
You know.
So I just went, I've watched itthrough the years.
I go oh, now we're reachinganother point.
Now it's the 80s.
People are waking up even more.
Now there's a bump up.
Now there's many more teachersand recently, in the last five,
10 years, there's been a hugebump up of where the
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consciousness of people has beenraised.
So now it's not unusual forpeople to say well, what can
animals teach us?
I mean, people didn't eventhink that way 50 years ago.
I mean, what can animals teachus?
Teach us, you know.
And now it's the going thing.
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You know, what can we learnfrom animals?
How can we learn to live abetter way?
How can we heal the earth?
I mean, these are questionspeople are asking.
I mean, so it's very gratifying, but really I knew it and it
was natural to me and I just didwhat I was here to do.
I followed spirit direction andto me it's right, you know, and
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I see all these beautifulpeople, people I've trained and
people who have been trained byother people, and they're doing
such good work and again theyhave their own talents, their
own specialties, which is allbeautiful.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
I love that and I love that you followed your
mission and that you didn'tdeter and that you've been able
to see this unfold, and it'struly fascinating and amazing.
You've been able to see thisunfold and it's it's truly
fascinating and amazing.
So I want to thank you,penelope, so much for coming on
Spiritual Spotlight Series.
I really hope that everyonesigns up for your six month
course, because it's going to betruly amazing and inspirational
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for anyone that does it.
So thank you so much for comingon.
Thanks, rachel, love talkingwith you.
hello everyone.
Welcome to our spiritualspotlight series.
Today I am joined by penelopesmith.
She is a grandmother ofinterspecies telepathic
communication.
Pelopi, thank you so much forcoming on the spiritual
spotlight series.
I'm so happy you're here.
Thank you, I'm glad to be heretoo.
So can you take us back to thebeginning?
When did you first realize thatyou could communicate
(00:25):
telepathically with animals, andhow did that discovery shape
your early path?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, I always communicated with animals.
I never did not.
So as a very tiny child I wasalways reaching out for animals
and I knew that they were justlike me, that we were fellow
beings.
So I just communicated withthem and then I didn't fall into
the usual socialization thatpeople get with it.
You know, I got the samedrumming about oh, you're very
(00:52):
imaginative, yes, that's, orit's false, or whatever, the
usual thing.
And of course that's many yearsago.
Now things are changing.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
But I didn't fall for that.
I said no way am I gonna, thisis too good, I'm not gonna let
go of my animal friends or anddishonor them, right, you know?
Because the ongoing thought wasthat, oh, animals are less than
they aren't intelligent, theycan't feel, they can't think.
(01:23):
You know the whole thing.
And I said no way, so I'll justkeep it to myself.
So I, of course, at that agethat's a long time ago I never
thought about, well, I'm goingto be an animal communicator.
There was no such thing.
I mean, I actually became apioneer, one of the pioneers in
the field in the 1970s, but mygoal was, my mission in life was
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always to help people to wakeup, to realize who they were, to
become happier, because I sawthat people didn't know that
they were spiritual beings andpeople really didn't start
waking up much to that until the60s, right, and so you know.
And then then finally, I couldmeet some people actually were
on that path of recognizing thattheir spiritual beings are on a
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conscious spiritual path togrow and to help others, and the
whole thing.
There were other, obviously,religions and spiritual
movements around, but the bigmovement that changed everything
really started in the 60s.
So then we had people waking upand so then that was great, and
so I became a spiritualcounselor for people, and then I
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applied what I learned withhumans to help them through
problems and traumas to animalsand I found, whoa, animals are
so fast and they heal soamazingly quickly.
They're so open and willing.
So that was the start of it all, and my first client was in
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1971.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
And that's just so amazing.
And also, like I mean, I feellike, yes, back then, a lot of
spiritual people were in thecloset and I commend you for
being out and doing this workand continuing to do this work,
Like it's just so amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, people weren't.
You know, it was not the thingto talk about spiritual things
and I was extremely spiritual soI just kept to myself about it.
And I was extremely spiritual,so I just kept to myself about
it.
But of course I could talk tothe animals and the trees and
the sky and all the spiritsaround me and I just, I wasn't
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alone, but the humans werepretty dense.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yes, very dense.
I have a friend that's a mentorof mine and she said that she
used's do yoga in Boston.
They used to hide like kind ofdown in a cellar to do yoga in
the, you know, in the seventies.
It's just, it's fascinating tome.
To you know, you are definitelyone of the pioneers for this,
for this field, which is amazing.
So how did your academicbackground in social sciences
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influence?
Your work in interspecies,communication and emotional
healing for animals influence?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
your work in interspecies, communication and
emotional healing for animals.
Well, I would say that thewhole thrust of all work in
psychology, sociology is helpingothers really.
But the way they did it was notthe way I was oriented.
I was oriented more to includethe spiritual.
So I became a spiritualcounselor, focusing on people's
(04:26):
spiritual journey as well and,of course, releasing traumas and
all your old programs is partof the spiritual journey.
But I took a different angle toit than just okay, there's
psychological types, etc.
Okay, there's psychologicaltypes, etc.
(04:47):
So really it was more part ofthe whole movement of people
waking up in the 70s, 60s and70s, where people were more open
to things like yoga andmeditation.
It's just started and reallygetting known widely and so this
was natural for me.
I went wow, I've always lovedanimals, of course, and I just
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went wow, this is so incredible.
And what I noticed after I diddifferent sessions with people
because people found out I wasdoing this and I was doing
various different people withproblems with their animals and
behavior or illness or whatever,and then I found that it woke
people up.
(05:28):
I went okay, I've been doing itthis way and helping people to
wake up by focusing them ontheir spiritual journey and how
to remember themselves as spirit.
But this is so much moregratifying because when people
start to realize that animalsare spiritual beings, guess what
?
They go well, gee, you know ifthey're so aware.
(05:50):
And of course, people had noclue that animals were so aware
and they would ask me questionslike you mean they make
decisions, you mean theyactually think about themselves.
And I'm going yes, and so thenwhen people of course, love
their animals, but when theywoke up to that their animals
were more aware and that theycould have a dialogue, and it
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was really up to them to open upthe at people and go OK, I'm
talking to you, is anybody home,is anybody listening?
So then they'd have to do theusual bark at them or paw at
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them, but if you communicatetelepathically, you don't have
that barrier anymore.
So, yeah, it was very exciting,very exciting time.
So I focused on education.
There were a few other peoplewho were also doing this work,
but they were more focused onthe consultations, which was
good, yeah.
But I said well, we got to wakeit up in people.
(06:59):
I want to wake this up.
I know it's a natural abilityright Right.
Yes, been socialized out of, butit's in here and they're
deprived if they don't have thisability.
So I went okay, I'll get onevery radio program, I'll do
every interview magazines,newspapers, tv, you name it.
(07:20):
And and lecture, did a lot oflectures to clubs, you know, dog
clubs, horse clubs, cat clubs,you know, just waking people
going to metaphysical bookstoresand waking those people up who
thought that only humans evolved, that only humans were
conscious.
I mean, at that time people hadno concept that animals were
(07:40):
also spiritually aware, in factin some ways more spiritually
aware than people, because theynever forgot and had to regain
the consciousness that they werespiritual beings.
Playing a dog or cat game, Ilove that.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
So you kind of just touched on this a little bit.
So you believe that everyone isborn with the ability to
connect telepathically withanimals?
On this a little bit.
So you believe that everyone isborn with the ability to
connect telepathic animals.
What blocks that?
What blocks that ability andmost people, and how can we
begin to restore that?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah.
So most people are socializedout of all their intuitive
abilities.
You know we're very analyticalsociety, even now.
I mean, obviously there'swidespread movement that's
growing and growing and growing.
For the past 50 years, 60 years, you know where people are
waking up more and more to theirintuitive abilities.
But most people really doubt it.
(08:33):
You know, they go no, Icouldn't do it.
Even if they think you can doit, they go well, I don't have
that.
I said, well, actually you do,you know, but it requires a
different mode.
Said Well, actually you do, youknow, but it requires a
different mode.
It's not a logical mode whereyou analyze the animal and you
go Well, let's see, their headis turning this way.
It means this.
You know, it's not anything todo with that.
(08:56):
It's about deep listening andopening to a whole different
reality, a reality of spiritualconnection heart to heart, a
whole different reality, areality of spiritual connection
heart to heart, soul to soul,connection with other beings
that are not your species, so inyour experience, I think this
(09:18):
is a question I definitely wantanswered.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
How do animals view humans, and what wisdom do they
consistently wish to share withus?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Well, it depends on what animals you're talking
about.
They're all individuals.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So each are going to have different views of people.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Obviously, our domesticated animals are with us
, are used to us, and so youfind many animals who come in to
this life with the purpose ofI'm going to wake my person up,
I'm going to help them on theirspiritual journey, I'm going to
get them through their toughtimes.
They're like really angels,guardian angels.
(09:53):
And then there are others whoare having a really tough time
themselves, and so they kind ofmirror to people their own
fragility, their own placeswhere they have issues, and so
they're working on it together.
You know they're helping eachother on the path which is we
(10:14):
all.
All ways are, you know,whatever species we are.
But what was the other part ofyour question?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I think there was, and what wisdom do they
consistently want to share withus?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah.
So again, when you'recommunicating depends who you're
communicating with.
Animals have all differentkinds of awareness.
You know, they're individualsjust like humans.
So you have humans that arevery awake and you have humans
that have no clue of who theyare, clue of who they are.
So you have, generally, animalsare very awake to who they are,
(10:47):
but they may have be havingdifficulties in this life,
particularly if they'reconnected with humans.
They're connected with humans,they generally take on and get
enmeshed with the energy ofhumans and the life of humans,
which is restricted.
So then, when you're talkingabout but you'll find incredible
wisdom to share and if you askthem about what can I do for my
(11:10):
life to make it better, let youknow.
Okay, I recommend that you takea walk every day, let's go out,
you know.
Or they'll say, yeah, let's,let's go out and let's look at
the birds together.
You know, I mean they'll giveyou things like that, say you're
domestic animals.
But then it depends on whatquestions you ask.
(11:31):
If you ask your animals whatcan I do to help heal the planet
, or what can humans do to helpyou heal the planet, then you'll
get a vaster, because it's abigger question.
You'll get a vaster answer.
And particularly if you askwild animals, they'll tell you.
They'll say well, this is whatI see and this is what our
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species is seeing.
This is what we're experiencingand this is how you can help,
and particularly when you getthe animals that are very in
tune to the whole planet, likethe whales yeah, you know, they
have just vast connectionsthroughout the whole planet, so
you'll get.
I mean, all you have to do islisten to them and you'll do the
right thing.
(12:12):
You know you'll do the rightthing for the planet and for
everybody on it, because that'swhat they're attuned to.
You know they focus on.
You know they're a spiritcoming in, just like us, right?
You know they're a spiritcoming in, just like us, right?
You know they, instead of in ahuman body, they're in a whale
body or an elephant body or adog body or whatever, and they
focus on doing what it isthey're meant to do as a dog or
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a whale or an elephant, and theyalso have their spiritual
journey.
So we're all in this together,right?
And when you listen to theanimals who, like I said, when I
started counseling animals, Iwent, oh my gosh, they're so
fast, unlike with humans, whereyou take hours and hours and
hours to work through a traumaor get a big result, a big
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change in behavior With animals.
I'm going whoa, that was a halfan hour session and we just had
a complete change in theirentire life and that's what blew
me away.
So you're talking about beingswho are not all wrapped up in
their minds, right?
Right, you know.
So with humans, humans get lostin their minds.
I mean, we have very creativeminds, but our minds also have
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an automatic aspect where theyget loops that we can get caught
in.
And if we aren't masters of ourspiritual awareness and our
minds and make decisions on howwe're going to be clear, or then
we get, just get taken away bythe mind.
People get do horrible thingsbecause they follow their mind
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loops and their traumas that are, you know, wrapping them up.
And so you know, if you listento animals, you get a different
perspective.
You get a perspective on theimportant things in life.
You know it's the same way.
When people really clear outtheir mental confusion, they get
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to the same conclusions.
All the spiritual masters getto the same conclusions and
what's really important, likekindness and regarding another
being as the same as you, thatwe're united.
You know that you're looking atyourself in the mirror when
you're looking at another beingno matter what body they have
and no matter what they're doing.
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There we are, and so you'll getthat from animals over and over
again, and they'll also be veryhonest about their programming.
You know their cat programmingor their dog programming and
they'll say well, this is what Ido as a dog and this is what I
need, right, you know, and Ineed this, or a cat, I need this
and I need that, and it's verystraightforward and there's no
(14:47):
if.
Oh, dear, I better not do that,like humans do.
Oh, maybe that's not good forme, or, you know, instead of
just calling it straight andgoing well, this is what I need
as a human and this is what Ineed to take care of my body.
Well, animals, you don't havethat confusion.
Sounds like and there they are.
They've got the physical downthe emotional.
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Of course animals can haveemotional difficulties.
It's mostly domesticatedanimals, but you'll get some
aberrations, some strangenessesin wild animals too, you know,
because you get a pretty clearview of what life is about and
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humans don't have that.
I mean some humans do, but Imean I'm talking about it's not
real clear for people Right,people are kind of floundering,
they kind of go.
Well, where's the operator'smanual?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
What's my life's mission?
What am I here to do?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What am I to do?
What am I exactly exactly andtotally unclear about that.
Where you ask an animal,they'll just tell you this is
what it's about for me, and itmay be very mundane.
You know, I've had, I remember,a dog who told me well, I came
in, I had a very hard life thelast life and I came in to take
a break.
I just want to.
It was a dog and he said I justwant to sit in the corner, have
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my meals fed to me, go out forwalks, love people and have it
pretty quiet.
I don't want to be messed withand I don't want complexities.
Don't ask me to save the world.
I'm here just to chill, youknow.
And then you'll have other dogswho will just tell you you know,
they've got a mission to helpthese people and these people
(16:38):
and they're and they're going toum continue, no matter how hard
it is, to help people to learnhow to love themselves.
I mean quite amazing, quiteamazing what animals.
But they're all individuals.
You got to just, you know,realize that you can't say
animals or you can't say dogs,because they're individuals.
So one dog will say this,another dog will say that, and
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they'll say different things atdifferent times, but they're
pretty clear.
You know, the times they getconfused are when they've been
traumatized, you know.
So you get rescued animalswho've been beaten or abused.
Then they get confusion becausethey're hurt and they're trying
to protect themselves.
They're trying to prevent itfrom happening again and that's
where the counseling comes in.
Uh, really handy, even foranimals I really like that.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You, you, you, you remind me that it's an
individual, the animal is anindividual, and also that it
just sounds like in the human.
We just get so junked up in ourmind but the animal is living
from a different perspective.
And to have that for being thepioneer of this industry, to
(17:46):
have that clarity and thatclearness, what a, what a gift
that has been for you, you know,and for the people that you
well, it's a natural thing, see.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So I don't even understand how people can live
without it to be disconnectedfrom trillions of beings who
live with us on the planet, tobe to think of them as things or
that you're far away from them.
Or even people who love animalsstill have this, often have
this separation, like, oh, youknow what is he thinking, I
(18:18):
don't know what's happening withhim, why don't you ask him?
Oh, I can't do that.
And right away all theself-doubt comes in invalidation
.
And it's the socialization youknow.
Nobody has showed them whatthis is and how natural it is.
And then, once people catch on,it's sort of like this big gap.
(18:41):
For a lot of people it's a gapof spiritual awareness of not
only who animals are, but whothey are.
Because if you really know thatyou're connected right and that
you can telepathicallycommunicate with other beings,
including humans, right, whenyou don't have this barrier,
(19:01):
right, it's just there and it'snatural and you're not afraid.
But people get so afraid oh, Idon't know if I can do this
right, or I'm going to let myanimal down, or I'm going to get
the wrong answer.
You know, I mean only humans dothat.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yes, I mean, even as you're saying that, I was like,
wow it's.
I mean I think about my, I have, I have a dog and two cats, and
I'm thinking about Gatsby and I, we.
He kind of came to us as arescue but he came right before
my brother died and I'm justlike, wow, like, and he's been
such an emotional comfort for me, as you know.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I hope I have been for him as well, and it's just
like wow, like maybe he cameinto our life to go through that
.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, you know, I was like I wish I am, I am.
And then I think about my twocats in there.
I call them little gang membersbecause I feel like they walk
down our hallway like this, likehey, give me my food.
I will ask them.
They just have such you, andyou're right, they, they're
their own individuals and theyhave such unique and they have
(20:10):
such unique personalities andthey're just and there's so much
more to know about them.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
You know, people peg their animals just like they peg
people right?
They?
Put them in little boxes and gowell he thinks this way, or he
only wants food, he only wantsthis.
How do you even know?
We don't, because we didn't askthem, you didn't ask them, you
didn't communicate with them.
Right, and the same way withpeople who say, well, animals,
they aren't aware of this, theyaren't aware that I said how do
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you even know?
Do you communicate with them?
Did?
you find out.
You know it's just like peggingpeople.
You know all that kids is dumbor whatever.
Well, how would you even knowif you didn't get into their
world and find out from themwhat's going on?
So, again, these are thebarriers that get in the way of
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this soul-to-soul communicationand, again, this natural feeling
.
It's not unnatural, it's notsomething weird or unusual, but
we have been so socialized, soprogrammed in our thinking, and
this is a shame.
You know.
I see it, the difference inindigenous people and, again,
(21:19):
the current indigenous people.
He raised their children veryclose to the earth and the
children are all part of thecommunity.
They never regard the children.
The children oh, he's thislittle thing that we have to
take care of.
No, the kid does whatever theycan do, right, and they're part
of the community from day one,right.
(21:39):
So I've met young indigenouspeople.
They have a whole different.
They don't do all this fudgingthat young people in our western
society do.
Oh, mom's unsure of myself, andoh, oh, oh.
All this kind of stuff is notthere.
They're secure.
They look around becausethey're attuned like animals.
(22:00):
We are animals, we're humananimals, but we've lost our
animal nature.
An animal is spirit Animal,anima.
Anima is spirit, animal anima,anima means spirit.
And so when we lose thatconnection, see, we got back to
it right now.
If everybody got back to it,they'd live on the earth in a
whole different way.
You would not have thispollution, you would not have
(22:23):
this taking away from the earthor grabbing resources or doing
things without consideringeveryone around you and how we
can all share.
Right, you know, you don't seea group of elephants going and
going.
Okay, this is mine, don't youtake any of it?
(22:44):
No, they just all eat together.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Right, right.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's like their own community that we're missing
right now as humans, ascommunity, and so exactly, and
the animals can show us, notjust by looking at their
physical nature.
Their physical nature isfantastic, it's very beautiful,
but if we look only through thehuman eyes, we make assumptions
(23:09):
that are not necessarily thecase of what's going on behind.
What is the tortoise thinking?
What is the wolf thinking?
What is happening with them?
Now, people who get quiet andthey sit with animals, they
naturally start opening uptelepathically.
They start to get the animal'sfeelings and their thoughts, not
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the false thoughts of oh well,a bear thinks this way or a wolf
thinks, or.
I read this in a book.
You know people have to get allthrough that.
You wouldn't believe in all thecourses I've taught, the things
people bring up.
They bring up all theirsocialization.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
This is what I've heard.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Is this true, Penelope?
I said ask the animals, They'lltell you.
They'll tell you and you'llfind out.
It's very different than whathumans think.
Now some humans are very aware.
So you get some very good books, but they're oriented in a
different way.
To animals as fellow beings,then it's a different thing,
(24:13):
rather than animals as thosethings out there that we have to
study.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
No, I love that and I think this is also important
because we're going to starttalking about.
You actually have a six monthtraining that is coming up on
September 8th on the SHIPnetwork and it's become
certified as an animaltelepathic communication
counselor upon satisfaction ofall program requirements.
So I do want to talk about thatfor a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, this is pretty phenomenal really.
You know, rachel, I had prettymuch stopped teaching.
Spirit had directed me to justgo deeper into the spiritual
journey.
I mean, I was way, I was pastwhat people consider retirement
age and and really everythingwas leaning that way.
And spirit just pushed me andsaid Nope, no more documentaries
(25:01):
, no more public appearances, nomore, you're going to stay and
you're going to stay in there.
And I just and I kept in touchwith people, I mean through the
website and and emails and stuff, but I didn't.
You know, I get people wantingto do documentaries and I'd say
I'm sorry I can't do that rightnow and I would just.
(25:23):
And then it all changed.
Spirit brought me back, saidokay, in 2021, 2021.
Spirit said now you're going togo out again.
I said, okay, how you know?
I mean, of course, it wasinternet then in 2021.
And so I started going onsymposiums and started doing, uh
, these kind of things podcastsand and and different online
(25:45):
classes that people sponsored,and it all started.
And then I've been working withShift Network.
I've done several courses inthe past year Very deep, very
beautiful.
I totally enjoy working withthe Shift Network Fantastic
people, a fantastic venue.
Anyway, I've taught afoundation course and an
(26:08):
advanced course, and now we'regoing to do something I have
never done before, andparticularly online.
I mean, I've taught courses allaround the world, but
everything I did was in person,right, right, I footed around
the world, I traveled and taughtmy courses and my training
program, but online you have abig, huge potential to do so
(26:30):
much more.
Yes, you do, you know, eventhough it's not in person and
you miss that.
You know contact and you haveto change everything online
because you know that's what I'min the middle of in this past
year is, oh my gosh, shiftingeverything from online.
When I used to walk out, weused to talk to the mountains
and the trees, but right therewith them, you know where you
(26:51):
could touch.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I'm going.
Okay, all right, I have tolearn a different way.
So now I'm well into it andwe're going to do a whole
certification program.
And this is people.
When I stopped teaching, peoplesaid, oh, I wish I could have
studied with you when you werestill teaching.
(27:14):
I wish I.
You know, I kept getting emailsall the time saying people oh,
are you sure you won't go backand teach, are you sure?
I said I don't know.
You know, I just follow whatspirit guides me right now.
I meant to do this deepspiritual work.
Right, that's what I'm meant todo here and that's the light
that I'm meant to bring to theearth.
(27:34):
But here I am, and so I tellpeople this is really a once in
a lifetime thing.
I put together all my materials.
I'm giving people things Inever even had a chance to teach
before because we didn't havetime.
I couldn't spend weeks withpeople.
I had to keep moving andreaching more people around the
world.
You realize that there'sgenerations of animal
communicators because of me, andI wanted to reach as many
(28:00):
people as I could, and so thenthey reached people and you know
we have all kinds of people andaway it goes, and so I didn't
have the chance to sit weekswith people and teach them
counseling methods and otherhealing methods.
You know, I did.
I did teach them and then boostthem out and say get out there.
(28:21):
And you know, they apprenticedwith me and they learned how to
teach us and get out there, doit, you know, because we need to
reach as many people aspossible.
And now they're doing it.
And now, of course, becausesince the 70s it was rising, so
a lot of people rose up likepopcorn all around the planet
going oh I have this ability, Ican communicate with them.
(28:41):
You know, so it's themorphogenetic field, it's just
spreads.
And so now, here we are.
I'm going wow, I'm so excitedabout this program.
I'm going to get really deepwith people because in this
online program we have ourintegration sessions as well as
our class sessions.
(29:02):
We have home assignments andthen we come back and we get to
go over them.
So there'll be a lot ofmentoring that we couldn't do in
our previous courses because ofthe time, and so we've built
that all in and, wow, it'sreally packed, it's really juicy
, it's going to be delicious forpeople, not only for people who
(29:22):
want to be professional animalcommunicators.
But people just want to deepdive, you know, into their own
path.
Obviously, if you're going to dothis course, you love animals.
You know people are attractedto a program because they they
want to communicate more deeply.
So this will give you everyweek.
I can guarantee that we'rewe're going to go deep.
(29:44):
Everything is about this isdeep dive and you'll learn
things that you didn't learnbefore, that you didn't
encounter before, and so it'squite an amazing comprehensive
program.
I'm going whoa I mean I've gotit all laid out and I'm working
on it to fill in all the classes.
(30:07):
And now, but I would say topeople, particularly those
people that wanted to study forme for years, do it now.
Do it now, because this is nota program that you can then do
afterwards because it's all hasto be done in person.
You know I'm going to be goingover case studies with people.
It has to be done here.
(30:28):
You know, obviously people cando the recordings if they miss
it because they're in adifferent time zone or something
.
But you can't just jump inafterwards and go, oh well, I'll
do the certification later.
It might not be done again andyou know I'm up in years now.
I mean you have to be realistic.
I mean.
So I say okay, if you want tostudy with me, if you want to
(30:56):
study with me and if you want totake a viewpoint of really
inclusiveness of all beings.
This is where I'm, where I comefrom.
You know this communicationapplies to every kind of being,
whether we're talking aboutanimals or mountains, or rivers,
or spirits who have gone on.
It applies to everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
One of the things go ahead, yeah, sorry.
No, no, don't be sorry, no, oneof the things that I like that
this program is for end of lifesupport and grief counselors,
and I like the fact that youtouch upon and I'm sure you go
deep in offering compassionateguidance and how do you manage a
practitioner through that andwhy do you feel that that is,
(31:35):
that this program is beneficialfor you know somebody that maybe
is a grief counselor or end oflife support?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's very important that one of the things that I've
found is that relieves people alot from their suffering of a
loss of an animal friend islearning how to communicate with
them beyond and feeling thatdeep connection.
It's no different thancommunicating with them in
person, other than you don'thave that soft fur body to touch
(32:04):
.
But what happens with people isthey get rid of the guilt.
See a lot of people run guilttrips on themselves.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
That hurts them so much.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
They suffer so much.
Oh, if only I did that, if onlyI did that, you know, and it's
so awful.
But the animals never holdanything against people and
they'll tell you.
They say, ah, I had a greatlife with you, it was wonderful.
Yes, I had to die.
You know, it's the way it is.
You have to die one way oranother through a disease, or
you get hit by a car or whatever.
(32:35):
You know, the body getseliminated one way or another
because you have to move on.
Yeah, and they'll tell you, youknow, and they'll, they'll thank
you for your connection withthem and the love, and the love
carries on and you just don'tdisconnect from your friends.
You know, no matter who hasgone on, you'll find that.
(32:55):
You know, it's the greatrecycling center.
You know we come back fromdifferent lives and we meet
beings that we knew before.
You know we have our soulfamily and we meet them again.
You just don't divorce fromsomebody you love like that.
You know, like the animal isgone, oh, I'll see them in the
beyond.
Well, why not now Exactly?
(33:16):
Why not be connected?
Why not connect with them nowand feel them?
Right?
You know, sometimes I mean,I've had the experience of
animals going on and there's somuch right here.
I'm holding them in my arms andI can feel them, and then
people will see them out of thecorner of their eyes.
They'll see a little flash oftheir animal going by.
(33:36):
There's all different ways.
They communicate to you and letyou know they're there, you
don't lose them.
And then you want yourquestions answered so you know,
like what happened.
Why did this have to be?
And the animals will help youwith that.
And so, for grief counselors orfor people who are healers in
(33:57):
any way, or for animal trainers,everything we do here will
enhance whatever it is thatyou're doing.
So, like I talk to trainers, Isay you know, I'm not an animal
trainer, but what I do when I,in quotes, train animals is I
just tell them what I need andthen why they need to do it,
(34:19):
like with dogs.
Okay, I need you to sit, thisis how you do it.
Okay, you got that.
But I only need you to sit inthese situations with people who
are nervous around dogs, orblah, blah, blah.
We don't need to have it like arobot.
You don't have to, like,constantly command the dog and
sit.
So I do it my own way.
But I said, okay, your trainersincorporate the telepathic
(34:43):
communication, they'llunderstand better.
Yeah, and also please give thema reason why they're doing it.
You know animals really catch onto things really fast.
Like, if you have a service dog, they're right in on that.
They came in to be that servicedog.
You know they're going right.
Right, I got it.
I got it.
I got it.
You know they get everythingreally fast.
(35:03):
But some things are confusingthat people want animals to do
or they're against the animal'snature.
You know, like the cats like togo to high places.
So they're always sitting onyour counters.
Or, you know, in your face byyour computer or whatever.
So you explain to them becauseyou have a different viewpoint.
You know, as a human, you knowthey don't care about that
(35:24):
computer screen or they'll lookat it and they'll bat at it.
You know if they see anothercat on it.
But you explain to them.
I really that's helps me tocommunicate with other people.
Oh, okay, so sit up in the wayof the screen.
I got it.
I got it.
Or, you know, on the counters.
Well, you know, I'm okay withyou being on the comms, but I
don't really want cat hair in myfood.
(35:47):
So when I'm eating I reallydon't want you right next to me
with the hair floating into myfood.
You know you explain it and theyget it.
And then you work with them onthe boundaries.
You know.
I mean I've said I hadconversations with my cats like,
ok, you're sticking your headin my bowl.
Do I stick my head in your bowlwhen you're eating?
(36:07):
No, you like your food, youdon't want me If I stuck my head
in your bowl.
You like your food, you don'twant me If I stuck my head in
your bowl.
You would be very upset aboutthat.
So I like it either.
And they go oh right, I get it.
You know you just set theboundaries.
You talk to them like you wouldtalk to anybody.
Yeah, absolutely.
(36:28):
And it becomes, everythingbecomes easier.
So I would say anybody in ananimal related field you're
going to find this is going tobe helpful to you.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
So another thing that you've brought together with
this six month mentorshipprogram, certification program,
is that you actually have animpressive group of guest
faculty like Tammy Billups andVal Hart.
How do their teachingscomplement your vision for this
program like?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Tammy Billups and Val Hart.
How do their teachingscomplement your vision for this
program?
Well, they add on sobeautifully because these people
have specialized in certainareas.
Oh nice.
You know, like all through mycareer, I brought up things
throughout time that otherpeople then took as a specialty.
So they became really, reallygood at it and they can teach
(37:15):
people in a different waybecause that's their thing,
right?
So I took some of these peopleand most of them are trained
with me and I took them and Isaid Would you do this?
Of course, but you know they'vebeen doing this for 30, or even
40 years some of them, and sothey've been doing this for 30
or even 40 years some of them.
(37:35):
And so you know, because Istarted training 50 years ago,
so they're really good at whatthey do, so it adds a different
perspective.
Of course, everybody has theirown talents.
Everybody has their viewpoints.
You always learn from differentperspectives.
There isn't any one way oflooking at things, as we find
out in life.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
It's so very true.
I'm just thinking about I'mactually a registered nurse in
my day job and I run a doctor'soffice and everybody looks at
even a patient.
Everyone has a differentviewpoint.
It's a different perspective.
It's so true.
So I love that.
For someone that's feeling thecall to join your September
(38:14):
program but maybe they're unsureif they're ready I put that in
quotations what would you say toencourage them to trust the
journey?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
event coming up which is May 10th, and it will be
replayed.
And then, if you miss both ofthe replays, you get a recording
and it's it gives you a realtaste of what telepathic
communication is, what you cando with it, and I'd say that's a
good entry point for people youknow.
I mean, of course I have mybooks also and I have all my
educational materials on mywebsite, but I'd say, if you're
(38:55):
interested in this program,that's the way to go.
Yeah, as you go and go, you cango to my website, animaltalknet
, go to the events page andthere's a link right to register
for this event.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
And it's very comprehensive.
Like I said, the Shift networkthey do things right.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Well, and I like the fact that you're saying like
look, I have things that Ihaven't had time to bring out,
like it's almost like a vaultexperience of hey I, this is
something I haven't taught on, Iknow it, but you know, I love
that.
It's like this intimate part is.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I have been doing this for a long time, all these
different things, but I didn'thave a chance to teach people.
You know, we could only do somuch in person, you only.
You know one body.
You can only go to so manyplaces.
You can only reach so manypeople.
And online, wow, limitless.
Yeah, it brings the world toyou instead of you having to go
(39:53):
all around and then reachingonly a certain amount of people.
I mean, I loved it in terms ofthe personal connection.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
And for our last question.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You have trained thousands and been called the
grandmother of this field.
What has it meant to watch yourteachings ripple across the
world through your students?
Well, I actually knew this wasgoing to happen and I wrote
about it in my first book,animal Talk.
I said I see it and I see thatthis will become, you know, sort
of a household world.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
And that was my goal.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
You know.
So I just went, I've watched itthrough the years.
I go oh, now we're reachinganother point.
Now it's the 80s.
People are waking up even more.
Now there's a bump up.
Now there's many more teachersand recently, in the last five,
10 years, there's been a hugebump up of where the
(40:47):
consciousness of people has beenraised.
So now it's not unusual forpeople to say well, what can
animals teach us?
I mean, people didn't eventhink that way 50 years ago.
I mean, what can animals teachus?
Teach us, you know.
And now it's the going thing.
(41:07):
You know, what can we learnfrom animals?
How can we learn to live abetter way?
How can we heal the earth?
I mean, these are questionspeople are asking.
I mean, so it's very gratifying, but really I knew it and it
was natural to me and I just didwhat I was here to do.
I followed spirit direction andto me it's right, you know, and
(41:28):
I see all these beautifulpeople, people I've trained and
people who have been trained byother people, and they're doing
such good work and again theyhave their own talents, their
own specialties, which is allbeautiful.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
I love that and I love that you followed your
mission and that you didn'tdeter and that you've been able
to see this unfold, and it'struly fascinating and amazing.
You've been able to see thisunfold and it's it's truly
fascinating and amazing.
So I want to thank you,penelope, so much for coming on
Spiritual Spotlight Series.
I really hope that everyonesigns up for your six month
course, because it's going to betruly amazing and inspirational
(42:04):
for anyone that does it.
So thank you so much for comingon.
Thanks, rachel, love talkingwith you.
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