April 25, 2025 • 28 mins
Clare and Hannah take on Jekyll and Hyde in a battle of Victorian proportions. In other words, we slink furtively through darkened doorways, scandalize young housemaids sitting up past their bedtime, and write letters to our lawyers with the tantalizing instruction: "Do not open until I have died or disappeared under mysterious circumstances."
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Into the details of the infamyat which I thus ConEd for even
now I can scarce grant that Icommitted it.
College.
Am I right?
College.
Exactly.
All right, shall we?
Yes.
Now that we've, um, um, doledabout, we've doled about long
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enough, we have doled.
And now let us something elsethat starts with a d.
Um, we have doled.
Let us, debate us.
Darn.
Well get, let us, darn well getto it.
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Hello everybody, and welcome tothis next episode of Splank
Nicks.
I'm your host, Claire t Walker,and this is my daughter, Hannah
Kubiak.
Hello.
Today we are talking about astory that a lot of people know.
I wouldn't, in fact, I wouldventure to guess that most
people know this story, buthardly anyone has ever actually
read.
I'm talking about Jekyll andHyde by Robert Lewis Stevenson.
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Uh, or is it sometimes called,wait, is it not called The
curious case of Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde?
Strange case of Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde.
Oh.
Oh, it's with no article.
The originally published versionwas Strange Case.
Strange Case.
Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde.
Yeah.
And people, I guess were weirdedout by that because most people
call it the strange case of Dr.
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Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde if they call it anything atall, other than.
Yeah.
Jekyll and Hyde.
Oh, the curious case was, wasBenjamin Button.
Right.
A, another story about, weirdtransformations, but I digress.
Okay, Hannah.
So we're not even gonna botherwith spoiler alerts for this
because everybody knows thestory of Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde.
Yep.
Even though, like I said in theintroduction, I bet nobody has
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ever read it.
I had never read it before.
Until we were getting ready todo this episode, really, because
I thought this would be great toread it.
Robert Lewis Stevenson is agreat writer.
I read this in high school.
Did you read the actual versionor did you read the um, no, I
did not read this.
I read the actual version of it.
Okay.
'cause we had this, the, theGreat Illustrated classics
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version on our shelves since youguys were kids.
Mm-hmm.
I had never read it, but I readit in addition to the original
one by Robert Lewis Stevenson.
It's really good.
It's a really good adaptation.
Yeah.
And it's not much shorterreally, than the actual book.
Robert Lewis Stevenson is agreat writer and if you haven't
read Treasure Island Kidnapped.
Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
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Hyde, uh, you know, everyoneshould as well as his poetry for
Children's.
It's, it's, it's excellent.
since you just read it, like,literally this afternoon, what,
I finished it 20 minutes ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So what's it about?
It's sort of set like a, like adetective mystery almost.
There's this lawyer, Mr.
Terson one of his clients, Dr.
Jekyll has written a verystrange will that stipulates
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that in the event of his deathor disappearance.
His friend, Mr.
Edward Hyde is to take his placewithout delay and, um everything
should be left to him.
eventually, the incitingincident of this, Mr.
Terson meets Mr.
Hyde.
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And, um, is repulsed by him.
he's a scrawny, young, wickedlooking guy Has this sort of, a
mixture of timidity and boldnessabout the way that he, deported
himself.
I'm sorry, my comported himself.
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The way he deported himself.
Oh, he deported himself?
Yep.
Comported himself.
Yes.
Comported himself.
so Terson meets this guy and heis appalled.
He goes to talk to Jekyll aboutit because he'd also heard this
story about how this Mr.
Hyde basically ran over a kidand kept on going, and so he,
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she basically thinks, well, Dr.
Jekyll, this guy must beblackmailing him or something.
I should go and talk to himabout it.
So he goes to talk to Jekyllabout it, and, um, Jekyll says,
no, he's not blackmailing me.
My will stands.
But then Mr.
Hyde commits a murder.
And it's witnessed by peoplebecause Mr.
Hyde is not subtle at all.
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He beats a man to death with Dr.
Jekyll's walking stick in themiddle of a street.
although to be fair, it was atleast in the middle of the night
when there weren't a whole bunchof people around.
And then Mr.
Hyde seems to disappear andJekyll becomes a recluse.
Eventually Jekyll will not comeout of his, his study has not
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been seen for ages.
So Terson suspects foul play.
He suspects in fact that Mr.
Hyde has killed Dr.
Jekyll and taken his place.
They go to apprehend this, welldefinitely a murderer.
They find it's mostly, the storyis mostly communicated like
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through a series of letters,which have various things
written on them.
Like, do not open until I amdead and things like that.
Yeah.
I was looking at this andpeople, I was like, everyone has
written a letter, sealed it,given it to Mr.
Terson and said, do not openthis until Dr.
Jekyll is dead or gone missing.
And like, you could have avoideda lot of this if you had just,
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you know, opened it and read it.
'cause you're like, huh, that'sweird.
Like, how, like, why, why that?
That specification.
But of course he's a lawyer, soprofessionally he's just like,
well this is, this is Rumysterious, but I can't open it
right now.
I'm gonna put it in my safe.
I'm surprised Anderson didn'tdie of curiosity.
Yeah, I know.
But yeah, as a lawyer, he'sprobably used to these sorts of,
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you know, secretive missivesbeing given to him.
Yeah.
And they're probably often notreally a big deal and stuff that
maybe he doesn't even want toknow.
Yeah.
A plausible deniability.
So what, now what's interestingabout this story is that what
everybody thinks is going onmm-hmm.
Is that, Henry Jekyll is beingmeed somehow by this person,
Edward Hyde.
And what they don't know, whichis what everyone who knows about
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this story now knows, is thatwhat's happening is.
Dr.
Jekyll has invented some sort ofmagical potion, not magical
potion, a scientific chemicalcollection.
It's a chemical.
It's a chemical compound.
It's a chemical compound, apotion that he takes.
And what he does is hetransforms himself into Edward
Hyde.
And Edward Hyde is basically adistillation of all of Henry
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Jekyll's, wicked, immoral,antisocial impulses personified.
And so Jekyll and Hyde are thesame person, and that's the big
reveal at the end.
They find Mr.
Hyde.
Dead on the floor, there's nosign of Jekyll at all.
But they read this letter andthey figure out everything that
had happened.
Yeah.
They read the letter from, fromMr.
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Landon, the other collegeroommate, who's a factor in
this.
Mm-hmm.
And he actually witnessed thetransformation from Edward Hyde
into Henry Jekyll.
And it literally drove himcrazy.
Yep.
And he just died of crazy.
He, he, he died of, of nerves, Ithink.
Yeah.
Yeah, because he just, he just,it just rocked his world so much
he couldn't handle it.
So.
And, um, and that's what's sointeresting about this book is
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that everybody knows what thestory is about.
But it was really fun toactually read it.
And, um, I, I really enjoyed it.
It's very well written.
It's very short.
You can, as Hannah demonstrate,you can read it in an afternoon
you talk about it rocked theworld of the person who saw the
transformation.
People in, um, 1886 who readthis story when it first came
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out.
Went mad for it.
It was so popular.
It rocketed Louis Stevenson tobestseller Dom.
It really was a career makingbook for him.
And it has been famous eversince, and it's so famous that
most people know about it andhaven't even read it.
Do you think that it had thesame sort of appeal as the sixth
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sense?
You know, where people are like,what?
Oh my gosh.
Like that was what was going onthe whole time.
I can't believe that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I wonder if people were asgood about not spoiling it for
other people as people wereabout the sixth, uh, cents.
Mm-hmm.
'cause people would say, haveyou seen the sixth sense yet?
And if someone said no, thenanyone would be like, okay, qu
yeah.
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Don't talk about it until thisperson has gone to see it.
We were talking about somethingelse now.
Yeah.
And uh, people were super goodabout that.
Um, uh, so.
What, what are some of thethemes that jumped out at, well,
you, you started to talk aboutsomething that I thought was
interesting where you weretalking about how Jekyll is a
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man of tall stature.
Mm-hmm.
And good looking, well-formedperson.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Yep.
You know, attractive 50 years ofage, you know, just a
respectable looking middle agedgentleman.
But Hyde on the other hand, Hydeis.
Well, we always sort of, when weread the book, when we, when we
have seen adaptations of it, or,um, let me imagine this story.
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We imagine Hyde as being thislike, bent, crooked, like old,
ugly guy, right?
But in the book, he is, he isdescribed as being, short,
small.
When he transforms, and like heshrinks down and jekyll's
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clothes like hang off of him.
You know what came into my headas you were saying that?
Yeah.
Like a young meth addict.
Yeah.
Like he looks unwell and really.
Messed up.
Like messed up.
Yeah.
And you never know what he'sgoing to do.
He's unpredictable.
Yeah.
And what's so interesting aboutthis is that, um, this, and this
is deliberate obviously by, byRobert Lewis Stevenson, Hyde's
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appearance reveals his innercorruption, like all written all
over his face, is the thing thatmost people are able to kind of
keep hidden.
You know, our, our, our sort ofbaser instincts, our
hatefulness, our violence, anysort of bitterness, you know,
lust, cruelty that we might havesort of, you know, just stuff
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seething inside us that we, thatwe realize is unsavory.
And we, and we keep a lid on itand we try to push it away.
We're like, this is not suitablefor, you know, public
consumption.
I'm gonna keep all this tomyself.
Except then the internethappened, and then all that
stuff just came out.
Hmm.
But, and you know what, Hannah,what it reminded me of was kind,
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it kind of reminded me of thepicture of Dorian Gray.
Me too.
Because yes, Dorian Gray wasbeautiful on the outside, but
inside he was utterly evil andcorrupt.
And the thing that bore themarks of his evil and corruption
was the portrait that he hadhidden in his secret attic room.
Yep.
And so I thought, you know what?
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Edward Hyde is Henry Jekyll'shidden portrait.
Mm-hmm.
I thought that was sointeresting.
Um, because what, what Jekyllsays at some point is that he
wanted to just, um, let his evilself just kind of go and just do
as it will and, and him himself,Jekyll not have to pay the
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consequences.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good, yeah, I wasthinking about the picture of
Dorie Gray as well.
Like when you looked at Jekyll,you were like.
You, you basically saw just thisupstanding member of society,
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you know?
Yes.
But his roommates, his twocollege roommates who were
characters in this book alsoTerson and Lanyon, the guy who
read the letter and went insane.
They knew what, what Chuck waslike.
He was a wild young man in theircollege days.
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so I guess maybe it was sortof like a, like an opportunity
to.
Relive his youth withoutconsequences a little bit.
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Yeah.
And he literally said that he,um, how did he put this?
He said that he, my chair is sosqueaky.
Hmm.
Yeah.
He said that he was a, a wildyoung man in his college days
and.
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He longed to separate these twoidentities, what he called the,
the evil self and the, and thegood self.
He said, when I tried day afterday to do good and to relieve
the suffering of my patience, Iwas myself.
And when I let myself go andplunged into shameful
activities, I was also myself.
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So, and he wanted to indulge.
That, that evil twin, he said,he said, the latter.
This evil twin could walk hisdownward path, free of his
ideals, free of the ideals andregrets of his good self.
The struggle within man couldthen cease.
He would be free to be bothselves, which was, really a
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wicked impulse actually onJekyll's part.
Yeah.
I think that people sort ofcreate this, uh, picture of like
a of black and white, that theywere divided into the good and
the bad.
But I don't think that's true.
I think that Jekyll wasn't a, hewasn't a good person.
He was good at seeming good.
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Yes.
At appearing good.
He wasn't a good person.
He was a repressed person.
That's one of the themes in thisbook is.
Repression repression of help,help by being repressed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, but the thing is he was,like you said, he was not a good
person, but his sort of veneerof goodness was forced upon him
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from the outside and hesuccumbeded that.
So he, it was a combination ofrepression of, from the, the
morays of the Victorian societyaround him, and then his own
ability to repress.
Himself.
And, and the thing is, I, I'mnot exactly sure what Stevenson
is trying to say, but Jekyll istrying to say that that's a bad
thing.
He wanted to be able to indulgehis bad self.
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And he wanted, and in fact hewanted it both ways.
He said, he, he said this, hegoes, as I, as I fell into a
kind of slavery to Mr.
Hyde, I loved it, he said.
He loved it.
He enjoyed being able to quote,act evilly without paying the
consequences.
Mm-hmm.
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So people, yeah, people havesaid, is Dr.
Jekyll really a good person?
No, he's He was not.
No.
I think he was a normal person.
You think he was a normalperson?
You think most people would wantto behave evilly and not have
the consequences?
Don't you ever imagine what yourlife would be like if you were a
worse person than you are.
Um, maybe it's just, maybethat's just another me colic
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thing.
It might be that I, I imagineI'm like, so like if you did
indulge every sort of evilimpulse or, or, you know,
unsavory.
Yeah, yeah.
Like my, my, my Myers-Briggstype is the INFP, and we're very
good at this thing calledmirroring emotions.
Which basically means that we'vestudied the way that people
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behave and it's all in sort oflike a Rolodex in our minds.
And so we can imagine a lot ofstuff that we've never actually
experienced.
That's why I Nfps can be actors,ah, rather, rather, well there's
lots of INFPs who become actorsbecause they don't have to have
actually experienced somethingto, represent it.
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I can imagine wanting to be ableto do heinous deeds and get away
with it.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
That's cool.
Yeah, that might, that's not athing with me.
Like when I, when I was writingmy, my really bad guy
characters, boy, I had to digdeep to come up with.
With things for them to say anddo.
And it's hard.
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I mean, well, it's not to saythat I don't have to dig deep,
but I can imagine it.
Hmm.
I can do it.
Yeah.
And you, you said somethinginteresting earlier.
You're like, what, what if you,like, if you could split
yourself into two, like Dr.
Jekyll did.
Yeah.
And like, um, what did he say?
The power, the part of me, whichI had the power of projecting.
Mm-hmm.
If you could project your sortof worst impulses, like the
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things that you would love to doif you could get away with it.
Mm-hmm.
What would your littlehomonculus look like?
My little homonculus.
it would be a really, reallytiny mean-spirited, petty,
vindictive, uh, gossiping littlegoblin.
Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I said that that would be aninteresting thought experiment.
And then I just left it at that.
'cause I didn't wanna go there.
You didn't wanna go that I wentthere immediately.
Oh man.
Like the, like this, when, whenwe were, we were talking about
like, it's a, it's a projectionof all the worst parts.
And I'm like, what would theprojection of all the worst
parts of me look like?
Ah, I got it immediately.
I know exactly what that wouldbe like.
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Wow.
That is awesome.
Uhhuh.
It's no, I, it's a melancholicthing.
You wouldn't understand, Iguess.
I guess.
Yeah.
Me sangu when me is like, noway.
I, I don't wanna think aboutthat.
No clue.
But now let me, let me, uh, letme segue into this a little bit.
This is, this is interesting.
I found this fascinating.
So speaking of the, uh, part ofme, which I had the power of
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projecting, uh, Jekyll says, soeventually you'll remember the
transformation that at first hehad to have that special potion.
He had to take this potion tomake it happen.
Mm-hmm.
That transformation began tohappen spontaneously.
Mm-hmm.
Hyde was gaining strength andwould soon take over.
So what Jekyll said is that partof me, which I had the power of
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projecting, had lately been muchexercised and nourished.
And he was afraid that thebalance of my nature might be
permanently overthrown and thecharacter of Edward Hyde become
irrevocably mine.
He was gonna stick that way.
You know, you've ever heard thatexpression, don't keep making
that face, or your face is gonnastick that way.
What this face, don't keepmaking this transformation into
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your evil alter ego, or you'regonna, or ego, or you're gonna
stick that way.
Yep.
And he did.
Yep.
He stuck that way and he died.
And so what, what the, what themoral of the story that came to
me was.
Indulging your evil impulseswill, will only strengthen them
and make them become thedominant force in your life.
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And it yes, totally reminded meof this awesome, um, story from
Sitting Bull so I'll go aheadand attribute the longer version
of this to him.
Sitting Bull was teaching hisgrandson about life.
A fight is going on inside me.
He said to the boy, it is aterrible fight.
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And it is between two wolves.
One is evil.
He is anger, envy, sorrow,regret, greed, arrogance,
self-pity, guilt, resentment,inferiority, lies, false,
prides, superiority, and ego.
He continued.
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The other wolf is good.
He's joy.
Peace, love, hope, serenity,humility.
Kindness, benevolence, empathy,generosity, truth, compassion,
and faith.
That same fight is going oninside you.
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He said to the boy and insideevery other person too.
The grandson thought about itfor a minute and then asked his
grandfather, sitting bull, whichwolf will win?
Sitting Bull simply said, theone you feed.
And that is Jekyll's problem.
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He's feeding the evil wolf.
Mm-hmm.
And is gaining strength.
And pretty soon his quoteunquote, good wolf, his good
self, doesn't have the strengthto fight back anymore, and in
fact, doesn't even existanymore.
This is how you become a wickedperson by indulging all of these
things and refusing to do whatJekyll didn't wanna do anymore,
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and that is make the effort.
Switching gears a little bit.
Alright.
Um, the concept of dualitymm-hmm.
Is something that comes up a lotwhen you, when you're talking
about Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde.
Yeah.
And naturally the episode fromStar Trek, the enemy within
comes up also.
Yep.
You know which episode I'mtalking about, right?
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The one where a transportermalfunction splits Kirk into two
distinct personalities.
One is all the aggressive,impulsive, uh, aspects of him.
And the other is all of thelike, gentle and.
Compassionate, aspects, and theykind of discover that both are
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necessary to make a whole a fullperson.
I don't think that it was like adivision between good and evil.
It was more of a divisionbetween, aggressive and passive
I think that might be.
A little more subtle and perhapsmore correct interpretation
because what, what basicallywhat people say are, is that
what Matheson is positing isthat the good side and the evil
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side of Kirk maintain anattention that's essential to
his, uh, capacity and hiseffectiveness as a leader?
the, the good.
Side of him that we followthrough the episode isn't able
to make decisions quickly Underpressure.
Yeah.
Or at all.
Or at all.
Yeah.
And the other, and the otherone, the aggressive side, the
quote unquote evil side is notable to, to stop doing anything
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to stop and consider anything.
Yeah.
Right, right.
So I think, I think what yousaid, it's, it's not so much
good and evil.
That are being examined.
In the case of Kirk here, it's,yeah, it's, it's passivity and
aggression.
Mm-hmm.
Which, which is an interestingthing because, um, what I think,
what I think that story is aboutis not so much, you know, that,
that we're divided into a goodself and an evil self, but that
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just about every character traityou can imagine has a good side
and a bad side.
There's, it's like two sides ofthe same coin.
you, you can have, a certainamount of, I guess what you
would call the trait thatmanifests itself, either as
passivity or aggression.
Mm-hmm.
Would be something likeassertiveness.
Yeah.
If you have too muchassertiveness, you are an
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obnoxious, difficult person.
Mm-hmm.
If you don't have enoughassertiveness, assertiveness,
then you um, a doormat.
You are a doormat.
Yeah.
Okay.
This is reminding me.
Of something from the GreatDivorce by CS Lewis.
Remember the story about ding,ding, ding ding, ding ding,
dinging CSS Lewis.
Woo woo.
Do you remember, you rememberthe story about the man who had
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the red lizard on his shoulder?
Yes.
And the, the angel tells him,let me take the lizard from you.
And he says, no, no, I like thelizard, you know?
No, thank you.
Um.
But then finally when he letsthe angel take the lizard from
him, this lizard, that wasobviously like causing him some
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spiritual distress, I think itwas maybe supposed to represent
like, like a lust.
Lust it was supposed torepresent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And when the angel takes thelizard away.
He doesn't destroy it.
He transforms it into thisbeautiful horse, and then the
man gets on the horse and they,they, they gallop away.
So, well, he does destroy thelizard.
Oh, doesn't it be He does.
Oh, he destroys the lizard.
He squeezes it dead.
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Mm-hmm.
Throws it on the floor.
But then the lizard doestransform, right.
Because it's been the, the manhas voluntarily submitted to its
destruction and so, yeah, ittransforms into that, that, that
energy.
And so fitting that it goesfrom, you know, a lust being
this little creepy littlelizard.
Yeah.
Into a stallion, which is likethe, the a fullest more, more
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pure expression of the sexualenergies, you know?
Right.
I'm not sure Jekyll was thatsubtle though, or, uh, Stevenson
was being that subtle withJekyll and Hyde.
I think he was strictlyspeaking.
He's talking about good andevil.
Yep.
Um, so I, so I think thatRichard Matheson's treatment of
the Jekyll and Hyde dichotomywas maybe a little little
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better, more believable.
More believable as far as peoplebeing split into two distinct
entities can be Right.
Right, exactly.
I mean, you know, the whole ideaof, of duality is, is a, a bit
of a problem because, you know,and, and science fiction loves
duality, uhhuh, which is thisidea that mind and matter, you
know, the body and the mind arecompletely, you know, separate,
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you know, our mind is just likea, um, a ghost in the shell or,
you know.
Yeah.
And you can just like, what is,so it's another one where, um,
there's some alien creature thattake control of, uh, spark's
body, and he says, you live herein these.
Prisons of flesh?
Yeah.
Like your soul is just trappedin this, in this.
Shell.
Yeah.
Right.
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That's very much, that'sduality.
And that actually is from the,the Christian point of view,
that is a heresy Mm.
The, the human person is a unityof body and soul.
But this sort of idea of, youknow, the, the, the spirit or
the mind is trapped in thisshell of flesh that's, that's
false.
Hmm.
And so, but, but it's so funnybecause there's some episodes
where, you know, they lift outthe, the mind of, of Kirk and
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they put it in this sphere.
Remember that?
Right.
Then they take the mind that wasin the sphere and put it into
Kirk's body.
That's the one I was talkingabout.
Yeah.
What's the name of that episode?
Do you remember?
I don't remember because wedidn't watch it very many times.
'cause it was weird.
I like that one because it waslike the a, the aliens who had
lived in these spheres, theywent into the people's bodies.
The one who was in Kirk's bodyand the one that was in this
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random woman's body, they likehad a love connection or
something.
Yeah.
And they were like, finally wecan touch each other.
Yeah.
And the guy who got, uh,transformed transferred into box
body was like a real, he wasevil.
Yeah.
And so it was fun to watchagain, Leonard Nemo acting like
this evil dude, you know?
And, uh, anyway, how did we geton that?
That was weird.
Um, I guess duality, I guess.
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Yep.
Um, so Mirror.
Mirror is kind of like that too,where they go to another.
Another dimension where everyoneis evil.
So once again, snicks hastransformed effortlessly from
the profound.
To the banal.
Yeah.
And, uh, it's, yep, that's howwe roll here.
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That's how we roll from theprofound to the banal, the, the
unofficial motto of niks.
Yep.
Uh, the other motto is, uh, askme about the abolition of man, I
guess.
Mm-hmm.
Or, uh, say something about CSLewis.
Yeah.
Um, anyway.
Yeah, that was good.
Um.
The, it's, uh, it has been zerodays since our last CS Lewis
related conversation.
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Yeah.
What else?
What else about, um, I, I mean,Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde, it, it's, it's prettybasic.
Yep.
But it's, but it's really goodif you've never read it, you
know, read it.
You just have, you just need anafternoon, you know, to, to read
it.
It's on the internet.
You don't even have to buy thebook.
Stir yourself up some, uh somesort of lovely, uh, potion of
your choice and sit down in acomfy armchair and enjoy Dr.
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Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde.
You will be forever changed.
Into the details of the infamyat which I thus ConEd for even
now I can scarce grant that Icommitted it.
College.
Am I right?
College.
Exactly.
All right, shall we?
Yes.
Now that we've, um, um, doledabout, we've doled about long
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enough, we have doled.
And now let us something elsethat starts with a d.
Um, we have doled.
Let us, debate us.
Darn.
Well get, let us, darn well getto it.
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Hello everybody, and welcome tothis next episode of Splank
Nicks.
I'm your host, Claire t Walker,and this is my daughter, Hannah
Kubiak.
Hello.
Today we are talking about astory that a lot of people know.
I wouldn't, in fact, I wouldventure to guess that most
people know this story, buthardly anyone has ever actually
read.
I'm talking about Jekyll andHyde by Robert Lewis Stevenson.
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Uh, or is it sometimes called,wait, is it not called The
curious case of Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde?
Strange case of Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde.
Oh.
Oh, it's with no article.
The originally published versionwas Strange Case.
Strange Case.
Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde.
Yeah.
And people, I guess were weirdedout by that because most people
call it the strange case of Dr.
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Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde if they call it anything atall, other than.
Yeah.
Jekyll and Hyde.
Oh, the curious case was, wasBenjamin Button.
Right.
A, another story about, weirdtransformations, but I digress.
Okay, Hannah.
So we're not even gonna botherwith spoiler alerts for this
because everybody knows thestory of Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde.
Yep.
Even though, like I said in theintroduction, I bet nobody has
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ever read it.
I had never read it before.
Until we were getting ready todo this episode, really, because
I thought this would be great toread it.
Robert Lewis Stevenson is agreat writer.
I read this in high school.
Did you read the actual versionor did you read the um, no, I
did not read this.
I read the actual version of it.
Okay.
'cause we had this, the, theGreat Illustrated classics
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version on our shelves since youguys were kids.
Mm-hmm.
I had never read it, but I readit in addition to the original
one by Robert Lewis Stevenson.
It's really good.
It's a really good adaptation.
Yeah.
And it's not much shorterreally, than the actual book.
Robert Lewis Stevenson is agreat writer and if you haven't
read Treasure Island Kidnapped.
Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
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Hyde, uh, you know, everyoneshould as well as his poetry for
Children's.
It's, it's, it's excellent.
since you just read it, like,literally this afternoon, what,
I finished it 20 minutes ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So what's it about?
It's sort of set like a, like adetective mystery almost.
There's this lawyer, Mr.
Terson one of his clients, Dr.
Jekyll has written a verystrange will that stipulates
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that in the event of his deathor disappearance.
His friend, Mr.
Edward Hyde is to take his placewithout delay and, um everything
should be left to him.
eventually, the incitingincident of this, Mr.
Terson meets Mr.
Hyde.
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And, um, is repulsed by him.
he's a scrawny, young, wickedlooking guy Has this sort of, a
mixture of timidity and boldnessabout the way that he, deported
himself.
I'm sorry, my comported himself.
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The way he deported himself.
Oh, he deported himself?
Yep.
Comported himself.
Yes.
Comported himself.
so Terson meets this guy and heis appalled.
He goes to talk to Jekyll aboutit because he'd also heard this
story about how this Mr.
Hyde basically ran over a kidand kept on going, and so he,
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she basically thinks, well, Dr.
Jekyll, this guy must beblackmailing him or something.
I should go and talk to himabout it.
So he goes to talk to Jekyllabout it, and, um, Jekyll says,
no, he's not blackmailing me.
My will stands.
But then Mr.
Hyde commits a murder.
And it's witnessed by peoplebecause Mr.
Hyde is not subtle at all.
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He beats a man to death with Dr.
Jekyll's walking stick in themiddle of a street.
although to be fair, it was atleast in the middle of the night
when there weren't a whole bunchof people around.
And then Mr.
Hyde seems to disappear andJekyll becomes a recluse.
Eventually Jekyll will not comeout of his, his study has not
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been seen for ages.
So Terson suspects foul play.
He suspects in fact that Mr.
Hyde has killed Dr.
Jekyll and taken his place.
They go to apprehend this, welldefinitely a murderer.
They find it's mostly, the storyis mostly communicated like
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through a series of letters,which have various things
written on them.
Like, do not open until I amdead and things like that.
Yeah.
I was looking at this andpeople, I was like, everyone has
written a letter, sealed it,given it to Mr.
Terson and said, do not openthis until Dr.
Jekyll is dead or gone missing.
And like, you could have avoideda lot of this if you had just,
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you know, opened it and read it.
'cause you're like, huh, that'sweird.
Like, how, like, why, why that?
That specification.
But of course he's a lawyer, soprofessionally he's just like,
well this is, this is Rumysterious, but I can't open it
right now.
I'm gonna put it in my safe.
I'm surprised Anderson didn'tdie of curiosity.
Yeah, I know.
But yeah, as a lawyer, he'sprobably used to these sorts of,
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you know, secretive missivesbeing given to him.
Yeah.
And they're probably often notreally a big deal and stuff that
maybe he doesn't even want toknow.
Yeah.
A plausible deniability.
So what, now what's interestingabout this story is that what
everybody thinks is going onmm-hmm.
Is that, Henry Jekyll is beingmeed somehow by this person,
Edward Hyde.
And what they don't know, whichis what everyone who knows about
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this story now knows, is thatwhat's happening is.
Dr.
Jekyll has invented some sort ofmagical potion, not magical
potion, a scientific chemicalcollection.
It's a chemical.
It's a chemical compound.
It's a chemical compound, apotion that he takes.
And what he does is hetransforms himself into Edward
Hyde.
And Edward Hyde is basically adistillation of all of Henry
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Jekyll's, wicked, immoral,antisocial impulses personified.
And so Jekyll and Hyde are thesame person, and that's the big
reveal at the end.
They find Mr.
Hyde.
Dead on the floor, there's nosign of Jekyll at all.
But they read this letter andthey figure out everything that
had happened.
Yeah.
They read the letter from, fromMr.
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Landon, the other collegeroommate, who's a factor in
this.
Mm-hmm.
And he actually witnessed thetransformation from Edward Hyde
into Henry Jekyll.
And it literally drove himcrazy.
Yep.
And he just died of crazy.
He, he, he died of, of nerves, Ithink.
Yeah.
Yeah, because he just, he just,it just rocked his world so much
he couldn't handle it.
So.
And, um, and that's what's sointeresting about this book is
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that everybody knows what thestory is about.
But it was really fun toactually read it.
And, um, I, I really enjoyed it.
It's very well written.
It's very short.
You can, as Hannah demonstrate,you can read it in an afternoon
you talk about it rocked theworld of the person who saw the
transformation.
People in, um, 1886 who readthis story when it first came
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out.
Went mad for it.
It was so popular.
It rocketed Louis Stevenson tobestseller Dom.
It really was a career makingbook for him.
And it has been famous eversince, and it's so famous that
most people know about it andhaven't even read it.
Do you think that it had thesame sort of appeal as the sixth
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sense?
You know, where people are like,what?
Oh my gosh.
Like that was what was going onthe whole time.
I can't believe that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I wonder if people were asgood about not spoiling it for
other people as people wereabout the sixth, uh, cents.
Mm-hmm.
'cause people would say, haveyou seen the sixth sense yet?
And if someone said no, thenanyone would be like, okay, qu
yeah.
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Don't talk about it until thisperson has gone to see it.
We were talking about somethingelse now.
Yeah.
And uh, people were super goodabout that.
Um, uh, so.
What, what are some of thethemes that jumped out at, well,
you, you started to talk aboutsomething that I thought was
interesting where you weretalking about how Jekyll is a
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man of tall stature.
Mm-hmm.
And good looking, well-formedperson.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Yep.
You know, attractive 50 years ofage, you know, just a
respectable looking middle agedgentleman.
But Hyde on the other hand, Hydeis.
Well, we always sort of, when weread the book, when we, when we
have seen adaptations of it, or,um, let me imagine this story.
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We imagine Hyde as being thislike, bent, crooked, like old,
ugly guy, right?
But in the book, he is, he isdescribed as being, short,
small.
When he transforms, and like heshrinks down and jekyll's
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clothes like hang off of him.
You know what came into my headas you were saying that?
Yeah.
Like a young meth addict.
Yeah.
Like he looks unwell and really.
Messed up.
Like messed up.
Yeah.
And you never know what he'sgoing to do.
He's unpredictable.
Yeah.
And what's so interesting aboutthis is that, um, this, and this
is deliberate obviously by, byRobert Lewis Stevenson, Hyde's
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appearance reveals his innercorruption, like all written all
over his face, is the thing thatmost people are able to kind of
keep hidden.
You know, our, our, our sort ofbaser instincts, our
hatefulness, our violence, anysort of bitterness, you know,
lust, cruelty that we might havesort of, you know, just stuff
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seething inside us that we, thatwe realize is unsavory.
And we, and we keep a lid on itand we try to push it away.
We're like, this is not suitablefor, you know, public
consumption.
I'm gonna keep all this tomyself.
Except then the internethappened, and then all that
stuff just came out.
Hmm.
But, and you know what, Hannah,what it reminded me of was kind,
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it kind of reminded me of thepicture of Dorian Gray.
Me too.
Because yes, Dorian Gray wasbeautiful on the outside, but
inside he was utterly evil andcorrupt.
And the thing that bore themarks of his evil and corruption
was the portrait that he hadhidden in his secret attic room.
Yep.
And so I thought, you know what?
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Edward Hyde is Henry Jekyll'shidden portrait.
Mm-hmm.
I thought that was sointeresting.
Um, because what, what Jekyllsays at some point is that he
wanted to just, um, let his evilself just kind of go and just do
as it will and, and him himself,Jekyll not have to pay the
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consequences.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good, yeah, I wasthinking about the picture of
Dorie Gray as well.
Like when you looked at Jekyll,you were like.
You, you basically saw just thisupstanding member of society,
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you know?
Yes.
But his roommates, his twocollege roommates who were
characters in this book alsoTerson and Lanyon, the guy who
read the letter and went insane.
They knew what, what Chuck waslike.
He was a wild young man in theircollege days.
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so I guess maybe it was sortof like a, like an opportunity
to.
Relive his youth withoutconsequences a little bit.
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Yeah.
And he literally said that he,um, how did he put this?
He said that he, my chair is sosqueaky.
Hmm.
Yeah.
He said that he was a, a wildyoung man in his college days
and.
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He longed to separate these twoidentities, what he called the,
the evil self and the, and thegood self.
He said, when I tried day afterday to do good and to relieve
the suffering of my patience, Iwas myself.
And when I let myself go andplunged into shameful
activities, I was also myself.
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So, and he wanted to indulge.
That, that evil twin, he said,he said, the latter.
This evil twin could walk hisdownward path, free of his
ideals, free of the ideals andregrets of his good self.
The struggle within man couldthen cease.
He would be free to be bothselves, which was, really a
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wicked impulse actually onJekyll's part.
Yeah.
I think that people sort ofcreate this, uh, picture of like
a of black and white, that theywere divided into the good and
the bad.
But I don't think that's true.
I think that Jekyll wasn't a, hewasn't a good person.
He was good at seeming good.
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Yes.
At appearing good.
He wasn't a good person.
He was a repressed person.
That's one of the themes in thisbook is.
Repression repression of help,help by being repressed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, but the thing is he was,like you said, he was not a good
person, but his sort of veneerof goodness was forced upon him
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from the outside and hesuccumbeded that.
So he, it was a combination ofrepression of, from the, the
morays of the Victorian societyaround him, and then his own
ability to repress.
Himself.
And, and the thing is, I, I'mnot exactly sure what Stevenson
is trying to say, but Jekyll istrying to say that that's a bad
thing.
He wanted to be able to indulgehis bad self.
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And he wanted, and in fact hewanted it both ways.
He said, he, he said this, hegoes, as I, as I fell into a
kind of slavery to Mr.
Hyde, I loved it, he said.
He loved it.
He enjoyed being able to quote,act evilly without paying the
consequences.
Mm-hmm.
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So people, yeah, people havesaid, is Dr.
Jekyll really a good person?
No, he's He was not.
No.
I think he was a normal person.
You think he was a normalperson?
You think most people would wantto behave evilly and not have
the consequences?
Don't you ever imagine what yourlife would be like if you were a
worse person than you are.
Um, maybe it's just, maybethat's just another me colic
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thing.
It might be that I, I imagineI'm like, so like if you did
indulge every sort of evilimpulse or, or, you know,
unsavory.
Yeah, yeah.
Like my, my, my Myers-Briggstype is the INFP, and we're very
good at this thing calledmirroring emotions.
Which basically means that we'vestudied the way that people
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behave and it's all in sort oflike a Rolodex in our minds.
And so we can imagine a lot ofstuff that we've never actually
experienced.
That's why I Nfps can be actors,ah, rather, rather, well there's
lots of INFPs who become actorsbecause they don't have to have
actually experienced somethingto, represent it.
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I can imagine wanting to be ableto do heinous deeds and get away
with it.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
That's cool.
Yeah, that might, that's not athing with me.
Like when I, when I was writingmy, my really bad guy
characters, boy, I had to digdeep to come up with.
With things for them to say anddo.
And it's hard.
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I mean, well, it's not to saythat I don't have to dig deep,
but I can imagine it.
Hmm.
I can do it.
Yeah.
And you, you said somethinginteresting earlier.
You're like, what, what if you,like, if you could split
yourself into two, like Dr.
Jekyll did.
Yeah.
And like, um, what did he say?
The power, the part of me, whichI had the power of projecting.
Mm-hmm.
If you could project your sortof worst impulses, like the
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things that you would love to doif you could get away with it.
Mm-hmm.
What would your littlehomonculus look like?
My little homonculus.
it would be a really, reallytiny mean-spirited, petty,
vindictive, uh, gossiping littlegoblin.
Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I said that that would be aninteresting thought experiment.
And then I just left it at that.
'cause I didn't wanna go there.
You didn't wanna go that I wentthere immediately.
Oh man.
Like the, like this, when, whenwe were, we were talking about
like, it's a, it's a projectionof all the worst parts.
And I'm like, what would theprojection of all the worst
parts of me look like?
Ah, I got it immediately.
I know exactly what that wouldbe like.
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Wow.
That is awesome.
Uhhuh.
It's no, I, it's a melancholicthing.
You wouldn't understand, Iguess.
I guess.
Yeah.
Me sangu when me is like, noway.
I, I don't wanna think aboutthat.
No clue.
But now let me, let me, uh, letme segue into this a little bit.
This is, this is interesting.
I found this fascinating.
So speaking of the, uh, part ofme, which I had the power of
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projecting, uh, Jekyll says, soeventually you'll remember the
transformation that at first hehad to have that special potion.
He had to take this potion tomake it happen.
Mm-hmm.
That transformation began tohappen spontaneously.
Mm-hmm.
Hyde was gaining strength andwould soon take over.
So what Jekyll said is that partof me, which I had the power of
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projecting, had lately been muchexercised and nourished.
And he was afraid that thebalance of my nature might be
permanently overthrown and thecharacter of Edward Hyde become
irrevocably mine.
He was gonna stick that way.
You know, you've ever heard thatexpression, don't keep making
that face, or your face is gonnastick that way.
What this face, don't keepmaking this transformation into
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your evil alter ego, or you'regonna, or ego, or you're gonna
stick that way.
Yep.
And he did.
Yep.
He stuck that way and he died.
And so what, what the, what themoral of the story that came to
me was.
Indulging your evil impulseswill, will only strengthen them
and make them become thedominant force in your life.
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And it yes, totally reminded meof this awesome, um, story from
Sitting Bull so I'll go aheadand attribute the longer version
of this to him.
Sitting Bull was teaching hisgrandson about life.
A fight is going on inside me.
He said to the boy, it is aterrible fight.
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And it is between two wolves.
One is evil.
He is anger, envy, sorrow,regret, greed, arrogance,
self-pity, guilt, resentment,inferiority, lies, false,
prides, superiority, and ego.
He continued.
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The other wolf is good.
He's joy.
Peace, love, hope, serenity,humility.
Kindness, benevolence, empathy,generosity, truth, compassion,
and faith.
That same fight is going oninside you.
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He said to the boy and insideevery other person too.
The grandson thought about itfor a minute and then asked his
grandfather, sitting bull, whichwolf will win?
Sitting Bull simply said, theone you feed.
And that is Jekyll's problem.
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He's feeding the evil wolf.
Mm-hmm.
And is gaining strength.
And pretty soon his quoteunquote, good wolf, his good
self, doesn't have the strengthto fight back anymore, and in
fact, doesn't even existanymore.
This is how you become a wickedperson by indulging all of these
things and refusing to do whatJekyll didn't wanna do anymore,
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and that is make the effort.
Switching gears a little bit.
Alright.
Um, the concept of dualitymm-hmm.
Is something that comes up a lotwhen you, when you're talking
about Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde.
Yeah.
And naturally the episode fromStar Trek, the enemy within
comes up also.
Yep.
You know which episode I'mtalking about, right?
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The one where a transportermalfunction splits Kirk into two
distinct personalities.
One is all the aggressive,impulsive, uh, aspects of him.
And the other is all of thelike, gentle and.
Compassionate, aspects, and theykind of discover that both are
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necessary to make a whole a fullperson.
I don't think that it was like adivision between good and evil.
It was more of a divisionbetween, aggressive and passive
I think that might be.
A little more subtle and perhapsmore correct interpretation
because what, what basicallywhat people say are, is that
what Matheson is positing isthat the good side and the evil
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side of Kirk maintain anattention that's essential to
his, uh, capacity and hiseffectiveness as a leader?
the, the good.
Side of him that we followthrough the episode isn't able
to make decisions quickly Underpressure.
Yeah.
Or at all.
Or at all.
Yeah.
And the other, and the otherone, the aggressive side, the
quote unquote evil side is notable to, to stop doing anything
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to stop and consider anything.
Yeah.
Right, right.
So I think, I think what yousaid, it's, it's not so much
good and evil.
That are being examined.
In the case of Kirk here, it's,yeah, it's, it's passivity and
aggression.
Mm-hmm.
Which, which is an interestingthing because, um, what I think,
what I think that story is aboutis not so much, you know, that,
that we're divided into a goodself and an evil self, but that
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just about every character traityou can imagine has a good side
and a bad side.
There's, it's like two sides ofthe same coin.
you, you can have, a certainamount of, I guess what you
would call the trait thatmanifests itself, either as
passivity or aggression.
Mm-hmm.
Would be something likeassertiveness.
Yeah.
If you have too muchassertiveness, you are an
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obnoxious, difficult person.
Mm-hmm.
If you don't have enoughassertiveness, assertiveness,
then you um, a doormat.
You are a doormat.
Yeah.
Okay.
This is reminding me.
Of something from the GreatDivorce by CS Lewis.
Remember the story about ding,ding, ding ding, ding ding,
dinging CSS Lewis.
Woo woo.
Do you remember, you rememberthe story about the man who had
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the red lizard on his shoulder?
Yes.
And the, the angel tells him,let me take the lizard from you.
And he says, no, no, I like thelizard, you know?
No, thank you.
Um.
But then finally when he letsthe angel take the lizard from
him, this lizard, that wasobviously like causing him some
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spiritual distress, I think itwas maybe supposed to represent
like, like a lust.
Lust it was supposed torepresent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And when the angel takes thelizard away.
He doesn't destroy it.
He transforms it into thisbeautiful horse, and then the
man gets on the horse and they,they, they gallop away.
So, well, he does destroy thelizard.
Oh, doesn't it be He does.
Oh, he destroys the lizard.
He squeezes it dead.
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Mm-hmm.
Throws it on the floor.
But then the lizard doestransform, right.
Because it's been the, the manhas voluntarily submitted to its
destruction and so, yeah, ittransforms into that, that, that
energy.
And so fitting that it goesfrom, you know, a lust being
this little creepy littlelizard.
Yeah.
Into a stallion, which is likethe, the a fullest more, more
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pure expression of the sexualenergies, you know?
Right.
I'm not sure Jekyll was thatsubtle though, or, uh, Stevenson
was being that subtle withJekyll and Hyde.
I think he was strictlyspeaking.
He's talking about good andevil.
Yep.
Um, so I, so I think thatRichard Matheson's treatment of
the Jekyll and Hyde dichotomywas maybe a little little
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better, more believable.
More believable as far as peoplebeing split into two distinct
entities can be Right.
Right, exactly.
I mean, you know, the whole ideaof, of duality is, is a, a bit
of a problem because, you know,and, and science fiction loves
duality, uhhuh, which is thisidea that mind and matter, you
know, the body and the mind arecompletely, you know, separate,
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you know, our mind is just likea, um, a ghost in the shell or,
you know.
Yeah.
And you can just like, what is,so it's another one where, um,
there's some alien creature thattake control of, uh, spark's
body, and he says, you live herein these.
Prisons of flesh?
Yeah.
Like your soul is just trappedin this, in this.
Shell.
Yeah.
Right.
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That's very much, that'sduality.
And that actually is from the,the Christian point of view,
that is a heresy Mm.
The, the human person is a unityof body and soul.
But this sort of idea of, youknow, the, the, the spirit or
the mind is trapped in thisshell of flesh that's, that's
false.
Hmm.
And so, but, but it's so funnybecause there's some episodes
where, you know, they lift outthe, the mind of, of Kirk and
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they put it in this sphere.
Remember that?
Right.
Then they take the mind that wasin the sphere and put it into
Kirk's body.
That's the one I was talkingabout.
Yeah.
What's the name of that episode?
Do you remember?
I don't remember because wedidn't watch it very many times.
'cause it was weird.
I like that one because it waslike the a, the aliens who had
lived in these spheres, theywent into the people's bodies.
The one who was in Kirk's bodyand the one that was in this
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random woman's body, they likehad a love connection or
something.
Yeah.
And they were like, finally wecan touch each other.
Yeah.
And the guy who got, uh,transformed transferred into box
body was like a real, he wasevil.
Yeah.
And so it was fun to watchagain, Leonard Nemo acting like
this evil dude, you know?
And, uh, anyway, how did we geton that?
That was weird.
Um, I guess duality, I guess.
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Yep.
Um, so Mirror.
Mirror is kind of like that too,where they go to another.
Another dimension where everyoneis evil.
So once again, snicks hastransformed effortlessly from
the profound.
To the banal.
Yeah.
And, uh, it's, yep, that's howwe roll here.
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That's how we roll from theprofound to the banal, the, the
unofficial motto of niks.
Yep.
Uh, the other motto is, uh, askme about the abolition of man, I
guess.
Mm-hmm.
Or, uh, say something about CSLewis.
Yeah.
Um, anyway.
Yeah, that was good.
Um.
The, it's, uh, it has been zerodays since our last CS Lewis
related conversation.
(27:10):
Yeah.
What else?
What else about, um, I, I mean,Dr.
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde, it, it's, it's prettybasic.
Yep.
But it's, but it's really goodif you've never read it, you
know, read it.
You just have, you just need anafternoon, you know, to, to read
it.
It's on the internet.
You don't even have to buy thebook.
Stir yourself up some, uh somesort of lovely, uh, potion of
your choice and sit down in acomfy armchair and enjoy Dr.
(27:34):
Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde.
You will be forever changed.
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