September 26, 2025 • 46 mins
Dylan @DoubleDVintageBaseballCards and Adam @SplendidSports share some opinions about the sports card hobby and the YouTube / Podcast landscape.
Video from @shoeboxlegends mentioned - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50LRGW695YE
Surface Issues Episode 2 mentioned - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/surface-issues-episode-2/id1839695555?i=1000727644210
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All right, Dylan, I forget what episode of Turn Back the Clock.
This is it. It's in the 40s.
But more importantly, right now this is number one on the sports
card Clubhouse podcast network, Turn Back the Clock, first
episode there. How we doing?
I'm doing excellent. I'm really excited to hang out
with you, Adam, Talk some cards and talk whatever we talked
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about tonight. Yeah, I got some fun, fun little
topics here. We're going to probably go for
30 to 45 minutes. I got some interesting opinion
based stuff that I'm I want to get your thoughts on.
I'll give my thoughts on. I do want to do a shout out that
I don't know. Did you happen to watch today is
Thursday? This video will probably be
coming out on Friday tomorrow. Did you watch Shane Shoebox
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Shoebox Legends video from today?
Best best video I love Shane puthis put some words out and his
opinions out and it was from theheart.
I I made a post right when he I got up like 4 morning to my arm
and man I was blown away. Yeah, I, I texted him I, I love
the video. I mean, I, I, I, Shane's our
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friend, so I, I like all his videos, but this one, I really
liked his psychology about everything he was talking about.
And it really, he made such a good point where he was talking.
I, I'm going to put a link to that video in the in this one.
I recommend everyone watch it ifthey haven't.
But he made such a good point that even if you're not into
like following the value of yourcollection, you know, once you
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buy a card, a lot of people don't care what it's what it's
worth or what it becomes. And I understand that.
I've been there. But in a market like this, if
you're trying to improve your collection, it does actually
benefit you to keep an eye on certain cards.
Because I can tell you there's been situations where I didn't
know a card I had in my collection, like skyrocketed in
value and I maybe missed a window here and there where I I
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might have sold it or, but I ended up not selling it, or
maybe I could have downgraded it.
So I thought he made a great point of as to the value of even
if you're not always interested in, it does help you keep an eye
on things sometimes in in case you might want to, you know,
take some money off the table and put it into something
different. Dude, yeah, he nailed it.
And he doesn't do that many, if ever, like, opinionated from the
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heart videos on subjects like that.
And to me, when he speaks, I listen because he's so
knowledgeable in this hobby. And the way he talked about how
some of his cards that he boughtin the past that no one
collected have become worth so much.
How much money is sitting there?Free money that you can apply to
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your collection today. And it really hit the spot for
me too because me and him text like you too.
And and I've been looking at my cards a lot differently too.
Now I'm not a card ladder guy. I don't want to follow the
track. I don't ever want to look at my
collection, click a button and say it's worth 20,000 today and
10,000 tomorrow and 30,000 next day.
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That's for my stock account. I don't want that in my baseball
cards. I will never use a company like
card ladder. I mean never say never, but I do
text sometimes I'll text you like hey can you give me a comp
for this? I don't know what it is but to
me I don't want that to happen. But I definitely pay attention
to value for the exact reason Shane's talking.
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Every once in a while you go through your cards and I have
like a 1951 tops worn spawn in apsa 8 on my wall.
An old cert. Why on earth do I need APSA 8
1951 tops worn spawn that has rounded corners when I have twos
that look exactly the same? So I see an extra $350.00 in
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that card that I can put towardsanother card, and I don't want
all that money sunk into a worn spawn 51 tops anyways.
And I bought that so long ago, probably for less than $100.
It's just nice to know that. But you know, I don't need card
ladder. Tell me that, but I get it why
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people use that because I would get notices probably across my
board right like oh that card too.
Wow, I could do that with that one.
I could. I mean I thought about doing it
with the 2001. I have a 2001 tops traded right
here. Gold eat your own pool holes and
apsa 9, I think skyrocketed in value.
I've thought about taking that money, you know, selling it,
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buying an 8, take an extra 2 grand, buying that, buying an 8
back and having two extra $1000 to spend.
That runs through my head. I'm not going to do that with
that card, but I am going to do with the spawn and I have a huge
stack of others. So I was intrigued by that video
and I think you you nailed it onthe ad.
I'm glad you. I'm glad you brought that up.
Yeah, and, and specifically too,I didn't mention this, but he,
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when he was talking about, you know, cards that he hadn't
looked at in forever, you know, so I thought that that hit home
with me too, because I have, I have those two where it's like,
I mean, you got this awesome wall there where you look at a
lot of your cards. I have cards that I, I don't
look at really, you know, so that that really struck A chord
too. And especially if they've gone
up a lot in value, if I'm not looking at them and I've gone up
a lot in value, it's, it's, it'sgood to know.
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And I, I do like card ladder. I have to admit, I, I like not
so much of like what's the totalvalue of my collection that that
has that feature, but it does have a lot of other collector
features, which I really, I really like it.
I'm having some fun with it so. Well, I know that you do.
You know, you have all your images in one location.
All the lists are, I think it's spectacular.
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And if I could click, you know, click my finger and I had all
the images up and everything, I would use that.
If I didn't see the values, I really don't want to see the
values change on a daily basis. It it would mess with my mind
too much where I would, the opposite would happen to me.
I would see a card and be like, man, maybe I should sell that
right now. I don't want to time the market
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on my baseball cards. Then you can.
Turn that feature off too just so good they did that because
you're you're not alone with that you know a lot of people
don't want to get an e-mail everyday or look at and and see
Oh my value went up or down yeahso that's that's a nice part is
you can customize it however you'd want to use it basically
that's. Pretty interesting, you know?
See, that's why I never say never, you know?
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I have a. More.
Next, I just have a couple quickthings that I got to make.
Obviously, you know, like I mentioned, this is on the Sports
Card Clubhouse Network, the first podcast ever on the
network Surface issues with Mikeand Greg.
There's been 2 episodes out so far of that.
And in episode 2, you were mentioned by Mike.
I have to, I have to mention this.
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I don't. Did you hear the pie?
I could not believe this. Mike couldn't remember and he
was serious. He couldn't remember if you like
centered cards or don't like centered cards.
And Greg was surprised as well. Mike, if you watch this, which I
think you might, what's going on, man?
Yeah. How can you not know if Dylan
like centered cards? Like everyone knows that man.
Here's the best part about Mike in that story.
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I mean, Mike watches any of my videos.
I love Mike. He's an awesome guy.
But we were at the National likea year ago.
We were both hunting for the 1948, Oh no, 1941 play ball.
Ted Williams. I had seen a couple and he came
up to me. I ran into him and and I go, he
said, oh, have you seen any of those?
And I go, yeah, there's one overthere, but it's too far off
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centered for my for my taste, too far off centered.
I told him he went over there and bought it.
So I know he he, he thinks he's a centering guy.
He's not as crazy as me. I'm a full blown centering guy.
I didn't buy that copy because it wasn't dead centered so.
I I thought everyone knew you were a centering guy.
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Me. Too.
I was. I was he.
He knew you were like a something guy.
You were known for something, but he wasn't sure if it was off
centered or said in a in a parallel universe.
In a parallel universe, Dylan's like an off centered guy.
Like he's he. He sold all the centered cards
and he's going after the the miscut cards.
So good. All right, next, the next quick
point too. They mentioned their favorite or
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or least favorite, a favorite bottled water and they Mike
wasn't familiar with Arrowhead water And because it's a when I
lived in Arizona, notoriously itwas terrible.
Arrowhead water was like one outof every two bottles.
You get to be open it up and it smells like a sewer.
Horrible. I don't know how they.
I don't understand how anyone drinks that stuff.
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When Greg said that, I had that in my head.
I go he's got tell me Arrowhead,say Arrowhead, how is how can
anyone drink that crap? Bad, bad water.
I don't know how they get away with putting it out still, I
don't know who's buying it. And really, guys, you know, we
shouldn't be drinking any bottled water.
Plastic is not good for us, right?
We should be drinking out of a glass glass bottle or one of
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those like, you know, safe things, filtered water.
But that's my take on water. But yeah, there you go.
All right, the next next quick thing I wanted to get your
opinion on. So you know, this is gonna be
going out as a podcast. It will also be going out on the
YouTube channel too, Sports CardClubhouse, but it will be going
out on the podcast. First, I want to get your
(09:03):
thoughts. I, I was listening to sports
card dad had Jeff Wilson on his channel recently and Jeff Jeff
was saying how they put almost no thought or effort into their
podcast, sports card investor podcast.
All their, you know, marketing and attention and everything
goes towards the YouTube channel.
And you know, part of his reasoning was it's just such a
(09:24):
small podcast audience in his opinion, along with other
things. But what do you, what do you, I
want to get your take on that because when I first met you,
you were always talking about how you were always a podcast
guy. And I was too, before I ever got
on YouTube. Here I was.
I never never really use YouTubethat much at all, but I did
listen a ton of podcasts and I still do.
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So I've, I've always kind of been a podcast first guy.
What do you? What's your take on that?
I take it is that the audience that watches Jeff Wilson is a
younger audience and I think theyounger crowd wants the visuals,
wants, wants the hoopla, wants all that.
And I think the older crowd likeus in our 40 sums, you know, we,
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I'm a listener like put it on, put put my headphones in and get
other stuff done while I'm listening to people talk about
cards. So like when Greg does his
videos, he does like 7 videos a week.
I can, I listen to every single one because I would rather
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listen to someone talk about baseball cards.
Even though I know Greg's position on so many things, I'm
still intrigued by it. So I, I just think the podcast
thing is just kind of a different generation possibly.
I mean, I could be wrong there, but it's also, I don't know how
much money he could possibly make making a podcast.
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So he, you know, he's getting paid by YouTube.
I don't know anything behind it,but for me with YouTube, I'm a
long format guy. I do not like short videos.
You know, I don't like short, short car videos, OK, You know,
like 20 minutes. I like 20 minutes.
I hate clicking on one and it's 5 minutes and then I got to go
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find something else. I want to sit in my card room
and pop it on and just listen topeople talk about cards, even if
I don't even like what they're saying or they're talking about
grading again. Everybody's all like everyone
gets up in arms about, oh, they're talking about the same
thing again. Of course we are.
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This is what we do. We love.
I love to hear people's thoughtson grading, even if I've heard
it 1000 times. I want to hear about, I appeal.
I want to hear about this and this.
And, and if I don't, I mean, it's just in my ear.
I'm not wasting any of my time. It's just there.
I don't have to like tune into every single word.
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I really find it fascinating. And a little side note, like
I've read a couple of comments on Greg's channel is he's pretty
big and he gets so much Flack from people like this.
Again, why are you doing this? And I'm thinking in my head,
it's his freaking channel. He can talk about anything you
want until now. Anyone's going to get pissed off
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and leave comments in this message.
I'm just telling you my thoughtsand opinions.
These are my personal thoughts and opinions.
If you want to leave comments like that, that's that's fine.
I just don't understand the point.
If you, if I build something up and I spend three years and I do
dedicate 10 hours a week, he's decadating probably 20 hours a
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week to something and he wants to talk about something.
By all means, talk about anything you want.
And then also side note, having your friends on your own channel
and the same guys over and over again, Hallelujah, they are your
friends. We all come on YouTube and we
make little clicks, right? And they're not clicks that we
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don't want other people in, Not at all.
I have new people that pop up inon YouTube and I become friends
with them instantly because the way they collect or how they
talk about cards or how their videos are.
And I want to have those guys onmy channel.
I invite my friends on my channel because they're my
friends. I'm not here to make $1,000,000.
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I'm here to hang out with my friends.
So when I see comments like thatas well, oh, same guys over and
over. You know there is a place or
collectors, if you reach out to them, you can go on their
channel. You can be on any channel you
want If you make that effort, ifyou start making your own videos
and your own tag team like Jasoneveryday card collector as a
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buddy, he goes on and then he does it with Sammy and everyone
has their little group. I don't want to have people on
the show. Like I'm not going to invite
people on my live stream. I have no idea who they are.
I want to talk to my friend. So I get that side of it too and
it just bothers me that everyonejust gangs up on guys like Gray
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or guys that have over seems like over 5000 followers.
I don't get those type of thingson mine, but he gets them and it
just it doesn't make sense in myown brain.
I don't get it. I I hear what you're saying and
so wait a minute, you're saying you don't like my 5 or 8 minute
videos that I do once a month where I you know what?
I'm like, come on, dude. Well, here's here's the thing,
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here's the thing that this This is why I love doing this with
you is cuz I could talk to you for hours, man, you know, but
when I'm on by myself, I love you.
Could you could go for an hour by yourself or two hours by
yourself? And you're great at it.
And me, I just don't, I don't know, I, when I'm, when I'm just
there by myself, I have a hard time and I'm just like, that's
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it after 8 minutes. But so I, I guess I just like
talking with, you know, my, likeyou said, my friends like you.
And maybe that's why the podcastthing is, is a good fit for me
because a lot of those are goingto be conversations, you know,
and I kind of like that. But I, I hear what you're saying
and with the podcast thing, you know, 'cause that's, I think
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during COVID when everyone was at home, right?
And you could sit at home and watch YouTube videos more than a
lot of people can now. A lot of people now it's kind of
like back to the old days where they're driving to work.
So they're trying to listen to something.
You can't really watch it while you're driving.
Or, you know, if you squeeze in some time, you know, you
generally can squeeze in a podcast if you're mowing the
lawn or something like that. So I think you're right.
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I think it has a lot to do with the age range.
I'm thinking, you know, I don't know, I'm sure there's numbers
out there of the the prime podcast age range where maybe
it's like, you know, 40 to 55 orsomething like that.
You know, you see like the Joe Rogan podcast where he's got
millions and millions. So there's definitely people who
listen to podcast. I think it's just, yeah, that
maybe the the younger crowd hasn't gone into the podcast
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realm as much yet. Then you know, the 20 somethings
or whatever that more so than like the 40 somethings where
podcast might be more up our alley based on our lifestyle and
all the things we're doing throughout the day.
Yeah, and, and you know, a lot of us, you know, 40 thumbs have
been collecting cards a long time.
So you don't need to see every single card.
We don't need to watch every video.
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We, we know what they're talkingabout.
We know exactly what card they're Speaking of and we can
picture it. So a lot of that can go into it
as well. Well, that's a perfect lead into
my next question for you becausethis this has kind of been a
topic I've seen in a few videos recently.
I want to get your take. What is, in your opinion, what's
the reason why videos were on YouTube, Sports card YouTube
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videos where someone is talking about their collection, you
know, they, they may be showing cards, but even ones where
they're just talking about like for example, I went on Victor's,
the rookie card specialist channel and we did a video and
it was a longer video. It was probably close to an
hour. So, you know, those tend to
obviously not get as many views and and things like that as as
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much attention as like a video that might be 12 minutes or 15
minutes based on the algorithm and people's attention spans.
But you know, we talked about mycollection, you know, my Tom
Brady collection and my completerun of his rookie cards.
And I don't know how many views it got maybe a few hundred
couple 100 views, right. And that and that's pretty
standard. That's I think what you expect
when you make a video like that where it's like a deep dive
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where you talk about your collection or even a video where
you're just showing pickups or abig pickup.
Those don't get nearly as many views as a video where someone's
talking about the hobby or talking about investing or
opinions on the hobby. A rant, so to speak.
When I first got onto YouTube, alot of people were saying it's
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all about the cards. People are here for the cards,
they want to see the cards, but yet the numbers don't back that
up. So what?
What do we make of this? I mean, it's kind of simple.
It it's the same thing goes backto like the podcast.
You like to watch a video showing cards.
Like that's what I do on my my channel.
You know, I'm not getting thousands of views on my show
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and tells. It's more for me less than it is
for people watching. I just enjoy the show and tell
aspect. And I think for us collectors,
there's like there's a certain number of guys that I really
want them to watch my channel because they're my good friends
and they collect like me and we root for each other's things.
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So you have those little core, you have the little core
audience that comes and watches,but the rest, you know, you can
just pop it in your headphones and you don't have to watch.
And everyone always talks about like when we do these lives and
everyone's like in the chat, show a card already show a card.
We don't even care because we can't even see the damn card,
especially if I'm doing the video because I'm all blurry.
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It's I like showing cards. That's the funnest part about
it. As a as someone who's on a show,
I love showing my collection, but I can talk about it just as
easily and it's just as effective and more so because
you can just listen to it. Everybody knows what these cards
look like and I can discuss the I appeal.
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That's why I like when I'll do avideo.
I dive really deep into every aspect of the card.
So if you are listening and you choose to listen, you can listen
and you can just get just as much out of it.
It's one of those things, videosshowing cards, you have to sit
there and you have to watch where when you're just talking
you can just pop it in your headand listen.
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So it's an easier listen then it's more work required for
those videos where it's a visualvideo where you got to actually
watch it. Now let me take a step further
because I totally agree with you.
I, I watch all your videos and Iwatch the ones where you're
showing a pickup. I am interested in what you're
picking up. I, I like to see what you're
doing with your collection because I'm your friend.
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Now, do you think it's that? Do you think it's that if you're
friends with someone, you're interested in what they're doing
their collection? But let's say someone stumbles
upon a video of me showing my Tom Brady collection or you
showing you know your Japanese baseball card pickups if they
don't know us. And they not our friends, should
they even care? Like why would they?
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They I could see them caring about opinions, right, because
it's interesting. But if they don't know us from
it, from Adam, right? Why would they care about what
we're doing with our collection?Is that is that kind of the root
of why those views don't show upas much as the other type of
videos? Yeah, and and in in all reality,
I mean, so I go through phases, right?
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Sometimes I want to find little videos, 20 minute long videos
and watch people that I, you know, I'm not super close with,
but I enjoy how they talk about each card they get.
So it all comes down to whether the guy is just going this is a
1960 tops Roberto Clemente, thisis a 1972 top so and so, or a
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guy who takes the card and and talks about it.
Why did he buy this card? Why, why he that entered his
collection? Then I'm intrigued and I want to
look at that card. It wasn't the I appeal.
Is that why he bought it or was it because it fit his set?
That's what's interesting to me and how the personality of the
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person is the most important thing, right?
I, I don't want to just have a, you know, blah, blah, blah.
I want someone excited. I want an energetic person.
I want them to just talk deeply.They don't have to talk fast
like me. They can talk like Eric, those
backpages, slow, steady, precise, they know what they're
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talking about. I love that stuff.
I just want to feel the passion and it all comes down to what
mood I'm in when I watch a video.
Do I want to watch a video and watch somebody share their cards
or do I want to listen to someone talk about their cards?
It's kind of kind of like that, you know, in opinion videos, we
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all want to watch a train wreck.I say dumb things all the time.
I know a lot of people probably watch, you know, listen to turn
back the Clock just to hear me say something stupid.
So it's, it's one of those things, right?
Well, and you know, I will say what's interesting because I've
done both type of videos, you know, video where I talk about
the hobby, give opinion, stuff like that, and those will get
more views. But then when I'll do a video
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where it's like a deep dive on a, you know, a 90s parallel or
I'll, I'll talk about a Tom Brady card or, or, you know,
it's more of a deep dive, smaller views, smaller audience,
But I tend to get more people reaching out to me, like
messages on Instagram that connect over, Hey, I love that
card too. Or I was waiting for someone to
talk about that. You know, maybe you'll get five
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of those, whereas you do a broader video and you get more
views in this comments, but the comments kind of aren't as
connecting. You know, it's more of just like
negative or positive, but like I'll get actually people
reaching out to me when I get real specific about Pacific
cards, stuff like that, where it's like, you know, where
there's a cult following of those type of things.
So I think, I think you can connect with people in different
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ways, even with a, with a, you know, smaller video or a more
deep dive than even some of those view, you know, the videos
that might get over 1000 views. You might not, you know, you
might not connect with people asyou would with a a, you know,
more specific type video. Yeah, and I want to give some
encouragement out to guys that we all started somewhere on
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YouTube. I started with 0 followers.
I didn't plan on growing fast orslow.
That wasn't my intention. My intention on my very first
video was I wanted to put my opinions out in the card world
I've been in my whole life. That's why I did it and I wanted
to share my collection. I didn't know if people were
going to like my videos or not. Like, and the friends I've made,
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those are the ones, you know, those are like my core little
group. But I'm friend with everyone in
the, in the space. But it's like one of those
things. So when a new guy comes along
and they've been doing it for like 6 months and I could
understand why they, you know, they'll get 50 views.
We all started that way. I didn't get thousands of views
out of the gate or 100 views outof the gate.
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And it's not about that. You're never going to make money
making sports card content. It's not going to happen.
Maybe for the very exclusive, whatever.
I don't even know if it's possible to really make it.
Like maybe daddy makes some money because he's selling like
what? He's selling like cereal bars
now or something. Or dad what?
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Daddy's selling cereal bars. I see.
I think it's magic spoon magic spoon serial.
I got to say I like I, I, I I like Dustin.
I've I watched a video just today.
He he seems like a guy that, youknow, if I ever met him in
person, we'd get along very wellAnd he but you know, you got to
you got to give him crap about doing magic spoon serial
promotion. Good for him.
Hey, good for you man. Yeah, exactly.
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But it's funny go that way. Yeah, so.
The, you know, for the little, the, the smaller channels out
there, if you want to build yourchannel up, there's a, there's a
recipe for that. And if you want to put your
opinion videos out there, they will get it.
They will get 1000 views. Jayhawker vintage Mike did a
video, you know, it blew up. You can be a small channel and,
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and, and have like a normal 50 views.
And if you want more views, do an opinion video, put your
opinions out there. I want to hear them.
Everybody wants to hear them. It doesn't matter you've been in
the hobby for a week or 100 years.
Opinion videos are really fun. So my encouragement to anyone
who has a small channel and is depressed and bummed, do some
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opinion videos. Lash yourself out there, say
some stupid stuff and you'll be up in the charts real quick.
And you'll, you know, along the way you find your little core
friends and invite them on your show and do collaborations.
I love all the guys that come onand do collaborations like turn
back the clock. It's fascinating to me.
All the collectors talking aboutcards together.
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It's it's really awesome. Well, that's a perfect segue to
my last point that I wanted to bring up to you and last
question. So again, Surface Issues Episode
2, one of the topics was Greg was bringing up something that
was in a group chat of ours where John Mangini was on
another channel, professor sports cards and Greg was, you
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know, giving him jokingly, you know, all in good fun.
He was he was saying, I think inthe video John said, you know, I
don't care what other people do,you know, it doesn't matter to
me how other people do it. But then in the same video, John
was, you know, giving his opinion, giving his opinion on
breaking and other other aspectsof the hobby.
So, and we all do that. Is it in your opinion, what
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what's your breakdown of when wegive opinions on, you know, ways
to collect or grading or whatever it might be in the
hobby? Whenever you Give your opinion
is, is that being taken the wrong way sometimes?
Are people taking that and saying, well, they're looking
down on me if I do that or they,they think that I'm doing it
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wrong? Is it, is it basically judging
someone if you give an opinion on it or are we just saying it's
not for me? Or is there is there a way to
say it where you can kind of make everyone happy?
What do you think? You know, you got to do the the
old Greg spiel and put a long caveat before you speak on these
podcasts and in the hobby, you have to clarify that these are
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my opinions. We used to do that all the time.
I would always say I'm less, I'mless scared anymore.
Like, if you don't know they're my opinions by now, then I'm
sorry. But when I say centered cards
are the future and the rarest things in tops that you can
find, it's not the registration,it's not anything else.
To me, it's more than an opinion, it's fact.
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Why? Because I've done the process of
trying to find these cards and that's the hardest thing to
find. I don't need all this data like
Greg and all this stuff to figure that out.
To me, it's fact. But to you guys, it should be
opinions and I'm not telling youthat your off center cards are
useless to you. You should be thanking me for
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pumping up the centered cards and making them more expensive
because all the off center cardsare getting a lot cheaper for
you. So you can.
You can get mad at anyones opinion but it's opinions that's
the whole point of this. When I share a printing plate
and I say this is the greatest thing in the world, these should
be worth a fortune man. It's not like a pump and dump
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scheme. I'm telling you what my thoughts
are on the future of the cards. I'm telling you my Japanese
baseball cards are the future. These things have a whole way
ramp to go up in value. They're so astronomically low.
This is my opinion. This is how I'm going about it.
You can agree or disagree, but I'm going to still put it out
there and you're not wrong if you have a different opinion,
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you're just wrong to me. To me, you're totally doing it
wrong. But I'm collecting for myself.
I have the greatest collection in the whole world.
Why? Because I made it for myself.
I didn't make it for you. I didn't make it for this guy.
This is my collection. You know it that it always
stands back down to create what you want in your collection.
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It doesn't matter what anyone else does, but you are also
allowed to listen two opinions and consider those opinions and
you're allowed to change your opinions.
We don't need to put our head inthe stand and say no, never
going to do that. Never going to believe that
you're allowed to. And that's why I like Greg.
He beats the dead horse till Thething is dead about.
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You know, the I appeal in the grading system, how it's flawed
and how the old, you know, the, some of the new force are like
the old sevens. And it took me a long time to
kind of come to terms with that myself, but I it taught me to
look at my cards a little different way too, and, and it's
good. So those are that's my thought
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about opinions, man. Their opinions.
But they're facts in my brain when I say my opinions until
otherwise I change my opinion. It's kind of like, it's kind of
like politics and what everyone's kind of trying to do
now, right? It's like, all right, you Dylan,
you could go on a video and say I think PSA eights that are off
centered are ugly cards it or I think they're bad purchases.
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I don't I don't think they're smart.
I think it's a a waste of money where you could spend on other
cards. You could say something like
that, which is a heavy opinion, right.
And then if someone's watching that, who can, who has those
type of cards in their collection, they spent good
money on them, but they don't get bothered by bad centering.
They can say, you know what? Dylan thinks my cards maybe not
for him or they might be ugly, but I still like Dylan, right.
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Like we, we don't have to not like each other because we like
certain things differently, you know, in in the hobby.
So I think it's some similarity there.
And I understand why people, when you give an opinion on
something, if you know, I've, I've heard people say things
where they're like, I, I, I can't come up with a perfect
example right now, but I've heard give people give opinions
on videos where I go, oh man. And it like kind of hurt my
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feelings at first where I was like, man, I got cards like that
or I collect that type of card. But then I'm like, So what, Who
cares? You know, like, I still like
this person, you know, they seemlike a cool person.
They don't have to like my collection.
It's, it's all good. So it's kind of just getting
over that at 1st and not gettingoffended by by these type of
things. But I understand why people can
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take offense to it at first. But maybe the longer we do,
it'll be easier and easier to just all get along.
Yeah, let me, let me, let me touch base on that because
that's really important. Like when I first got on here
and I was talking about centering, I'll bring up an
experience that I had that I felt it felt gross to me.
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And then I'll bring up an another experience where I made
other people feel unwelcome or gross to equal it out.
I was on a live and everybody was on there and a gentleman who
was very respected. And I love the guy.
I've met him in the flesh, Nicest human being ever.
If you were, I don't want to bring his name up because
there's no need. But in the live, he said if
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anyone thinks that we never looked at eye appeal and
centering in the past, I don't think they've collected.
I don't think they've been collecting as long as they've
said. And I felt pointed at and I was
said by many people in the chat and over the phone that, man,
that was rough. That was tough, Dylan.
And I was new at YouTube, right?So it did hurt because I was
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putting my opinion out there three years ago about the
centering thing, Like I was a crazy person, right?
Selling all these off centered stuff, all the higher grades.
And so I was really putting myself out there.
So I, I felt pointed at and I, Icalled the individual and we
talked and I shouldn't have taken offense to that because he
was just he, even if he, even ifhe had me in his brain, it
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doesn't mean he was right about that.
I didn't need to defend myself and I shouldn't have gotten butt
hurt over that. And now let me take it another
step forward where another experience John 380's kid was
talking crap on rookie cards. I felt like I was pointed out.
That's me, another one of my dumb like I shouldn't.
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I was like, why did I take offense to that?
John? I I know John so much more now.
He's just that's just John. You know, he's like, he's real,
he's like me. We have our opinions and this is
like fact, right? So he's talking about it.
And then we talked over the phone.
We're like best buds now. All good.
Well, Fast forward to the video we did not that long ago where I
talked about bringing your bag of money and going in there and
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just saying screw calm. So I got my bag of money, I'll
buy any card I want. And that was my experience with
these printing plates. And I was like, OK, I'm buying
these things. I don't care.
I got my bag of money. I'm just going to do it.
And I know why people felt pointed at.
At least one individual felt pointed at and he wasn't
pointing. He didn't feel pointed at
himself. He felt like I was pointing at
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other individuals. So I made two phone calls to the
other individuals that I thoughtthe person was pointing at.
They didn't take any offense, cleared it up.
But it's things like that that happen on YouTube.
It happens with friends and it'swe really have to be careful on
how we take things in when people give their opinions
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because they are opinions. And it's one thing until you say
the person's name and say you said this, this guy said this.
I'm at that point where I can't,I don't really get it.
I can't get offended anymore. I don't want to be that guy
who's gets offended by things. I've learned over time that
there's guys that love off centered stuff and we defend our
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own collections. If I'm a guy who was have all
these old 8 dirt numbers and nine cert numbers and Greg's
talking about how they're garbage now and they're they're
fives and I and I'm telling themI think it's crazy they're
spending five grand for a card that's uglier than my four that
cost 100 bucks. It's the truth to me.
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But that guy has to defend his own collection.
He spent a big amount of time and money on that collection.
So I understand them really get an uproar about it.
But you can do something about that.
If you truly believe that you still those eights and nines are
still going to be worth more in the future, then hold your
ground. We could be totally wrong about
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this whole thing, but if for anyreason you have any doubt, you
can change your opinion and makea fortune off those and
recollect them. So this hobby evolves and so
does our relationships with these opinion videos and feel,
you know, feeling pointed at when Victor, I'll bring up
Victor. OK, when you're on with Victor,
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he said something on the lines of he said like I'm so sick of
people saying these base cards are junk.
You know, I'm like, I don't never actually, I actually heard
that and I wrote them, you know,and I love Victor Kay.
I have the utmost respect for Victor and what he does on his
channel and his concentration onthe rookie card.
He had Bobby Burrell on his channel the other day.
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I listened to that. That was fantastic.
Made so much sense to me. I've learned a lot from Victor
in those rookie cards, whether my opinions are exactly aligned
with him. No, but I've never heard anyone
say these base cards are crap. But sometimes I feel like he's
talking to me because I always say base cards are never going
to go up in value and I believe that.
I believe that since the day I got on YouTube.
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But I never understood why the Mike Trout base card was worth
like 8 grand and then two grand.None of it made sense to me why
Kendra V Junior's Indiana upper deck should be worth 50 bucks in
all grades. All that doesn't make sense to
me, but it doesn't mean I'm right.
So I know I went off on a tangent, but we're allowed to
poke, poke our opinions out and we shouldn't be getting, you
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know, RIP the part in the comments because we're, we're up
here saying stuff and it's OK. And you can say it in the chat.
You don't have to be so hardcoreand and like mean about it.
There's there's other ways to doit and you could build your own
channel up and put opinions out of your own.
Yeah, and it's funny about Victor because I think Victor
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gets a lot of kickback from not so much maybe our crowd on
YouTube. I think he gets a lot of
kickback from a lot of the, the modern crowd, you know, that
really doesn't value the rookie card and they they throw the
base cards in the trash, you know, and he get he gets, I
think he gets a lot of a lot of feedback from that crowd.
So that's I think that's probably where some of that
comes from. Not necessarily like you or, or
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anyone in this crowd on YouTube,But you know, my last point I've
I've heard you say this in the past.
This was like a long time ago where you were talking about, I
think you had like certain cards, maybe a Michael Jordan
rookie card or some really big cards that have gotten a lot
bigger. And I think I remember you
saying like one of the reasons why you were always a maybe
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hesitant to hold on to those cards is 'cause you really you
were collecting in a vacuum likelike a lot of us.
And you really weren't sure of like what the future held.
Like is this card going to be even valuable in the future?
We didn't, we didn't know, you know, I think with a lot of us,
maybe the defensiveness of our collections and, and the way we
go about the hobby, maybe a lot of that's rooted in a little bit
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of insecurity about the hobby, even though now it's very
popular and everyone's very bold.
Not everyone, but a lot of people are very bullish on the
hobby long term. And there's big companies in it.
There's a lot of marketing behind it.
There's a good infrastructure there.
That's pretty recent. You know, I think in the past, I
mean, we lived through the junk wax era.
We, we, we went through periods where it felt like we were the
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only ones doing this, right. So I think there's a lot of that
out there where with people thatare spending real money on their
collections, you know, when theyhear someone give an opinion
that kind of contradicts what they've spent their money on,
they can get defensive a little bit and can get maybe, you know,
offended because they've spent alot of money.
And there's a maybe all of us have a little insecurity about
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what we're doing here, you know,spending some serious money on,
on cardboard. So I, I've always kind of had
that, that thought and even the companies up until recently now,
I mean, these companies are really going after it fanatics
and PSA and every, I mean, they're, there's big money at
stake in big marketing dollars, real serious people at the helm
that have a long history of success in whatever they try to
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do. But you know, up until like the
last few years, really, the companies, in my opinion, in the
hobby were kind of not real bullish on the hobby long term.
I always it kind of felt like these companies were just just
waiting for things to just crashagain or, you know, completely
go everything just go away. Like no one was really willing
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to invest heavily into their company.
And then I think that's a lot ofwhat you see with like old PSA
labels and so forth. Even PSA back in the day, I
don't think they were investing until the new leadership came
in. I don't think they were really
investing in their company and, and I don't know that that's
just maybe going a little too deep into it, but that I've been
thinking about that where now it's different, but people have
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been in a while. It's kind of like PTSD sometimes
in the hobby. It's, it is, it was way scarier
in the past 'cause there was no YouTube, there were no, you
know, when I had those monster cards, I, it was like, I mean,
they weren't monsters in there $500 cards back then.
They were monsters for, you know, 1999, two, 1001.
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You know, I'm out of high schoolworking full time.
Like I told myself I'm going to buy all these goats.
I'm going to buy every goat of every single sport.
Gretzky rookies all the way across.
I had a few Michael Jordan rookies, Nolan Ryan rookies, oh,
you name it. If I would have kept, I mean,
Kobe Bryant refractors in the 9 in 96, I had loads of this
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stuff. If I would have kept all those
cards the whole time and never knew their value, I would have
at least $2,000,000 worth of cards, you know, right now.
So it's one of those things. But I was alone.
You know, I'm thinking, man, whois some eventually you hold on,
it's long enough and then they they stack up and these safes
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and you have like thousands and thousands and thousands of
dollars. You know, especially back then
as a young man, it got scary. And I'm like, gosh, man.
So I put that money into stocks instead.
And it's hard. When you when you don't know
anyone else who is into cards. That's where I was a little over
4 years ago. I was literally like, I don't
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know one person who still buys cards or cares about cards.
I know I do for some reason. But when you don't see anyone
else out there and you don't have anyone to talk about,
nothing to bounce off of, then you do.
Yeah. You're just like, I don't know,
maybe maybe it's kind of, I lovethese things, but I got to be
careful I guess, because it could be good.
It could be going to 0. Now with YouTube and social
media, we have so much that we can see out there.
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We can see the National. I didn't even know the National
was a thing until I got on YouTube.
I never even heard of the National.
So now that we see like there's 100,000 people at the National,
I mean, it does give you more confidence.
I think in like what we're doing, I think, you know.
Absolutely, I have AI have no problem where say everything got
cut in half. I'm not worried about the hobby
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at this point. There's there's Chris Sewell did
a video today and and I am 100% in agreeance with him.
There is more collectors today, full blown collectors.
I don't care if you're a flipperor whatever.
I'm talking if you're playing with cards in some way, shape or
form, you're some sort of a collector for the most part.
There's more collectors now thanthey've ever been in any time
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even during that 90s boom, in myopinion, of course.
So it gives me confidence like, man, everything got cut in half.
Give it another 20 years, we'll hit another boom time.
And I think, man, I, I think we're in the still like 5th
inning of this, of this hobby boom.
I know I'm not talking prices necessarily, but hobby.
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Boom popularity. Yes, yes.
Well, I think that's a great wayto to end this one deal on a
positive note, right? We're we're optimistic, we're
hopeful, and I think we have good reason to be.
So I want to leave it with this now.
This video will go on YouTube. It it goes out on a podcast
first. I know a lot of guys that may
catch this on YouTube. They're not I've, I've heard
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from the people who have no cluehow to listen to a podcast.
So if you have one of those smartphones guys, you get an
iPhone, just download Spotify orApple.
That's all you need one of thosetwo, if not both, but all you
need is one of them and look forthe the sports card clubhouse.
I'm going to put links in the video here.
And I, you know, unless you haveYouTube premium, which I do have
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YouTube premium. I've had it for a long time.
I know you do, where it allows you to really listen to YouTube
as a podcast. I know a lot of guys don't have
it. You can't.
It's really hard to like listen to a video like this.
You're out, you know, mowing thelawn or whatever 'cause when you
shut click your phone off, it shuts the thing off unless you
have the premium, right? So I encourage people to either
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get YouTube Premium or start listening on a podcast to these
type of episodes 'cause it's a lot easier.
Dude, this is a call out straight up to Lou Rock.
Talked to him about this. He doesn't have the premium.
He's watching commercials for all the YouTube content.
I go, it's 10 bucks a month, 120bucks a year and you don't have
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to watch any commercials and youcan turn into a podcast and go
what is wrong with you? So you rock, you got it, dude.
Step up your game, man. That's like that's nothing.
Just it's a game changer to be able to close your phone and
it's a podcast doesn't burn a hole in your pocket.
You know what to watch all you know, it's you don't have to
watch all those freaking commercials watching our videos.
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So last thing I want to say, Adam, is that, you know, again,
I'm going to clarify the fact that these are my personal
opinions when I speak. If if you have different
opinions, that's fantastic. I'm not telling you to go do
anything that I'm doing or believe anything that I'm
saying. All I want to do is come across
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as is not. I want to be just a me as a
normal person. I'm not mad at anyone for
collecting differently than me. I'm not pointing at you for
anything you're doing in this hobby if I think you're wrong.
It's just that's just my opinion.
I'm not going to be like you're wrong you're the worst person
ever because you're wrong. No, I don't care how you
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collect. I truly do not care.
I just really wanted to put thatthere.
One last thing to make it even more controversial for Victor
and anybody else. You know when I was a kid when I
opened up a pack of Tops baseball cards, 198786, when I
got common players, you know where they went into my spokes.
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So I have no problem with kids not loving all the Commons that
come out of the packs. I don't care.
I was the same way as a kid. So you don't need to collect
every single card. You know, every base card that
comes out of a pack isn't worth everything.
It you don't need to just pile up these stacks of cards.
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Some people love it, but not everyone needs to love every
card that comes out of a pack. So I want to, you know, throw
that in the system to work Victor up a little bit, you
know? Work him out.
Victor is a great guy and and actually the one of the reasons
I love Tom Brady based rookie cards is because those were
Commons when they came out of the pack.
Everyone thought he was a commonright.
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So that's why I think they're really cool is because a lot of
people when they pull the Brady rookie out of a pack in 2000 or
2001, they threw it in the trash.
So I love it. That's why I love those cards.
All right, we're going to wrap it here, Dylan first one of many
here in the future. This was awesome, guys.
Thanks for listening and watching.
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We'll catch you on the next one.
All right, Dylan, I forget what episode of Turn Back the Clock.
This is it. It's in the 40s.
But more importantly, right now this is number one on the sports
card Clubhouse podcast network, Turn Back the Clock, first
episode there. How we doing?
I'm doing excellent. I'm really excited to hang out
with you, Adam, Talk some cards and talk whatever we talked
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about tonight. Yeah, I got some fun, fun little
topics here. We're going to probably go for
30 to 45 minutes. I got some interesting opinion
based stuff that I'm I want to get your thoughts on.
I'll give my thoughts on. I do want to do a shout out that
I don't know. Did you happen to watch today is
Thursday? This video will probably be
coming out on Friday tomorrow. Did you watch Shane Shoebox
(00:45):
Shoebox Legends video from today?
Best best video I love Shane puthis put some words out and his
opinions out and it was from theheart.
I I made a post right when he I got up like 4 morning to my arm
and man I was blown away. Yeah, I, I texted him I, I love
the video. I mean, I, I, I, Shane's our
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friend, so I, I like all his videos, but this one, I really
liked his psychology about everything he was talking about.
And it really, he made such a good point where he was talking.
I, I'm going to put a link to that video in the in this one.
I recommend everyone watch it ifthey haven't.
But he made such a good point that even if you're not into
like following the value of yourcollection, you know, once you
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buy a card, a lot of people don't care what it's what it's
worth or what it becomes. And I understand that.
I've been there. But in a market like this, if
you're trying to improve your collection, it does actually
benefit you to keep an eye on certain cards.
Because I can tell you there's been situations where I didn't
know a card I had in my collection, like skyrocketed in
value and I maybe missed a window here and there where I I
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might have sold it or, but I ended up not selling it, or
maybe I could have downgraded it.
So I thought he made a great point of as to the value of even
if you're not always interested in, it does help you keep an eye
on things sometimes in in case you might want to, you know,
take some money off the table and put it into something
different. Dude, yeah, he nailed it.
And he doesn't do that many, if ever, like, opinionated from the
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heart videos on subjects like that.
And to me, when he speaks, I listen because he's so
knowledgeable in this hobby. And the way he talked about how
some of his cards that he boughtin the past that no one
collected have become worth so much.
How much money is sitting there?Free money that you can apply to
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your collection today. And it really hit the spot for
me too because me and him text like you too.
And and I've been looking at my cards a lot differently too.
Now I'm not a card ladder guy. I don't want to follow the
track. I don't ever want to look at my
collection, click a button and say it's worth 20,000 today and
10,000 tomorrow and 30,000 next day.
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That's for my stock account. I don't want that in my baseball
cards. I will never use a company like
card ladder. I mean never say never, but I do
text sometimes I'll text you like hey can you give me a comp
for this? I don't know what it is but to
me I don't want that to happen. But I definitely pay attention
to value for the exact reason Shane's talking.
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Every once in a while you go through your cards and I have
like a 1951 tops worn spawn in apsa 8 on my wall.
An old cert. Why on earth do I need APSA 8
1951 tops worn spawn that has rounded corners when I have twos
that look exactly the same? So I see an extra $350.00 in
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that card that I can put towardsanother card, and I don't want
all that money sunk into a worn spawn 51 tops anyways.
And I bought that so long ago, probably for less than $100.
It's just nice to know that. But you know, I don't need card
ladder. Tell me that, but I get it why
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people use that because I would get notices probably across my
board right like oh that card too.
Wow, I could do that with that one.
I could. I mean I thought about doing it
with the 2001. I have a 2001 tops traded right
here. Gold eat your own pool holes and
apsa 9, I think skyrocketed in value.
I've thought about taking that money, you know, selling it,
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buying an 8, take an extra 2 grand, buying that, buying an 8
back and having two extra $1000 to spend.
That runs through my head. I'm not going to do that with
that card, but I am going to do with the spawn and I have a huge
stack of others. So I was intrigued by that video
and I think you you nailed it onthe ad.
I'm glad you. I'm glad you brought that up.
Yeah, and, and specifically too,I didn't mention this, but he,
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when he was talking about, you know, cards that he hadn't
looked at in forever, you know, so I thought that that hit home
with me too, because I have, I have those two where it's like,
I mean, you got this awesome wall there where you look at a
lot of your cards. I have cards that I, I don't
look at really, you know, so that that really struck A chord
too. And especially if they've gone
up a lot in value, if I'm not looking at them and I've gone up
a lot in value, it's, it's, it'sgood to know.
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And I, I do like card ladder. I have to admit, I, I like not
so much of like what's the totalvalue of my collection that that
has that feature, but it does have a lot of other collector
features, which I really, I really like it.
I'm having some fun with it so. Well, I know that you do.
You know, you have all your images in one location.
All the lists are, I think it's spectacular.
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And if I could click, you know, click my finger and I had all
the images up and everything, I would use that.
If I didn't see the values, I really don't want to see the
values change on a daily basis. It it would mess with my mind
too much where I would, the opposite would happen to me.
I would see a card and be like, man, maybe I should sell that
right now. I don't want to time the market
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on my baseball cards. Then you can.
Turn that feature off too just so good they did that because
you're you're not alone with that you know a lot of people
don't want to get an e-mail everyday or look at and and see
Oh my value went up or down yeahso that's that's a nice part is
you can customize it however you'd want to use it basically
that's. Pretty interesting, you know?
See, that's why I never say never, you know?
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I have a. More.
Next, I just have a couple quickthings that I got to make.
Obviously, you know, like I mentioned, this is on the Sports
Card Clubhouse Network, the first podcast ever on the
network Surface issues with Mikeand Greg.
There's been 2 episodes out so far of that.
And in episode 2, you were mentioned by Mike.
I have to, I have to mention this.
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I don't. Did you hear the pie?
I could not believe this. Mike couldn't remember and he
was serious. He couldn't remember if you like
centered cards or don't like centered cards.
And Greg was surprised as well. Mike, if you watch this, which I
think you might, what's going on, man?
Yeah. How can you not know if Dylan
like centered cards? Like everyone knows that man.
Here's the best part about Mike in that story.
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I mean, Mike watches any of my videos.
I love Mike. He's an awesome guy.
But we were at the National likea year ago.
We were both hunting for the 1948, Oh no, 1941 play ball.
Ted Williams. I had seen a couple and he came
up to me. I ran into him and and I go, he
said, oh, have you seen any of those?
And I go, yeah, there's one overthere, but it's too far off
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centered for my for my taste, too far off centered.
I told him he went over there and bought it.
So I know he he, he thinks he's a centering guy.
He's not as crazy as me. I'm a full blown centering guy.
I didn't buy that copy because it wasn't dead centered so.
I I thought everyone knew you were a centering guy.
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Me. Too.
I was. I was he.
He knew you were like a something guy.
You were known for something, but he wasn't sure if it was off
centered or said in a in a parallel universe.
In a parallel universe, Dylan's like an off centered guy.
Like he's he. He sold all the centered cards
and he's going after the the miscut cards.
So good. All right, next, the next quick
point too. They mentioned their favorite or
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or least favorite, a favorite bottled water and they Mike
wasn't familiar with Arrowhead water And because it's a when I
lived in Arizona, notoriously itwas terrible.
Arrowhead water was like one outof every two bottles.
You get to be open it up and it smells like a sewer.
Horrible. I don't know how they.
I don't understand how anyone drinks that stuff.
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When Greg said that, I had that in my head.
I go he's got tell me Arrowhead,say Arrowhead, how is how can
anyone drink that crap? Bad, bad water.
I don't know how they get away with putting it out still, I
don't know who's buying it. And really, guys, you know, we
shouldn't be drinking any bottled water.
Plastic is not good for us, right?
We should be drinking out of a glass glass bottle or one of
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those like, you know, safe things, filtered water.
But that's my take on water. But yeah, there you go.
All right, the next next quick thing I wanted to get your
opinion on. So you know, this is gonna be
going out as a podcast. It will also be going out on the
YouTube channel too, Sports CardClubhouse, but it will be going
out on the podcast. First, I want to get your
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thoughts. I, I was listening to sports
card dad had Jeff Wilson on his channel recently and Jeff Jeff
was saying how they put almost no thought or effort into their
podcast, sports card investor podcast.
All their, you know, marketing and attention and everything
goes towards the YouTube channel.
And you know, part of his reasoning was it's just such a
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small podcast audience in his opinion, along with other
things. But what do you, what do you, I
want to get your take on that because when I first met you,
you were always talking about how you were always a podcast
guy. And I was too, before I ever got
on YouTube. Here I was.
I never never really use YouTubethat much at all, but I did
listen a ton of podcasts and I still do.
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So I've, I've always kind of been a podcast first guy.
What do you? What's your take on that?
I take it is that the audience that watches Jeff Wilson is a
younger audience and I think theyounger crowd wants the visuals,
wants, wants the hoopla, wants all that.
And I think the older crowd likeus in our 40 sums, you know, we,
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I'm a listener like put it on, put put my headphones in and get
other stuff done while I'm listening to people talk about
cards. So like when Greg does his
videos, he does like 7 videos a week.
I can, I listen to every single one because I would rather
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listen to someone talk about baseball cards.
Even though I know Greg's position on so many things, I'm
still intrigued by it. So I, I just think the podcast
thing is just kind of a different generation possibly.
I mean, I could be wrong there, but it's also, I don't know how
much money he could possibly make making a podcast.
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So he, you know, he's getting paid by YouTube.
I don't know anything behind it,but for me with YouTube, I'm a
long format guy. I do not like short videos.
You know, I don't like short, short car videos, OK, You know,
like 20 minutes. I like 20 minutes.
I hate clicking on one and it's 5 minutes and then I got to go
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find something else. I want to sit in my card room
and pop it on and just listen topeople talk about cards, even if
I don't even like what they're saying or they're talking about
grading again. Everybody's all like everyone
gets up in arms about, oh, they're talking about the same
thing again. Of course we are.
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This is what we do. We love.
I love to hear people's thoughtson grading, even if I've heard
it 1000 times. I want to hear about, I appeal.
I want to hear about this and this.
And, and if I don't, I mean, it's just in my ear.
I'm not wasting any of my time. It's just there.
I don't have to like tune into every single word.
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I really find it fascinating. And a little side note, like
I've read a couple of comments on Greg's channel is he's pretty
big and he gets so much Flack from people like this.
Again, why are you doing this? And I'm thinking in my head,
it's his freaking channel. He can talk about anything you
want until now. Anyone's going to get pissed off
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and leave comments in this message.
I'm just telling you my thoughtsand opinions.
These are my personal thoughts and opinions.
If you want to leave comments like that, that's that's fine.
I just don't understand the point.
If you, if I build something up and I spend three years and I do
dedicate 10 hours a week, he's decadating probably 20 hours a
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week to something and he wants to talk about something.
By all means, talk about anything you want.
And then also side note, having your friends on your own channel
and the same guys over and over again, Hallelujah, they are your
friends. We all come on YouTube and we
make little clicks, right? And they're not clicks that we
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don't want other people in, Not at all.
I have new people that pop up inon YouTube and I become friends
with them instantly because the way they collect or how they
talk about cards or how their videos are.
And I want to have those guys onmy channel.
I invite my friends on my channel because they're my
friends. I'm not here to make $1,000,000.
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I'm here to hang out with my friends.
So when I see comments like thatas well, oh, same guys over and
over. You know there is a place or
collectors, if you reach out to them, you can go on their
channel. You can be on any channel you
want If you make that effort, ifyou start making your own videos
and your own tag team like Jasoneveryday card collector as a
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buddy, he goes on and then he does it with Sammy and everyone
has their little group. I don't want to have people on
the show. Like I'm not going to invite
people on my live stream. I have no idea who they are.
I want to talk to my friend. So I get that side of it too and
it just bothers me that everyonejust gangs up on guys like Gray
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or guys that have over seems like over 5000 followers.
I don't get those type of thingson mine, but he gets them and it
just it doesn't make sense in myown brain.
I don't get it. I I hear what you're saying and
so wait a minute, you're saying you don't like my 5 or 8 minute
videos that I do once a month where I you know what?
I'm like, come on, dude. Well, here's here's the thing,
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here's the thing that this This is why I love doing this with
you is cuz I could talk to you for hours, man, you know, but
when I'm on by myself, I love you.
Could you could go for an hour by yourself or two hours by
yourself? And you're great at it.
And me, I just don't, I don't know, I, when I'm, when I'm just
there by myself, I have a hard time and I'm just like, that's
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it after 8 minutes. But so I, I guess I just like
talking with, you know, my, likeyou said, my friends like you.
And maybe that's why the podcastthing is, is a good fit for me
because a lot of those are goingto be conversations, you know,
and I kind of like that. But I, I hear what you're saying
and with the podcast thing, you know, 'cause that's, I think
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during COVID when everyone was at home, right?
And you could sit at home and watch YouTube videos more than a
lot of people can now. A lot of people now it's kind of
like back to the old days where they're driving to work.
So they're trying to listen to something.
You can't really watch it while you're driving.
Or, you know, if you squeeze in some time, you know, you
generally can squeeze in a podcast if you're mowing the
lawn or something like that. So I think you're right.
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I think it has a lot to do with the age range.
I'm thinking, you know, I don't know, I'm sure there's numbers
out there of the the prime podcast age range where maybe
it's like, you know, 40 to 55 orsomething like that.
You know, you see like the Joe Rogan podcast where he's got
millions and millions. So there's definitely people who
listen to podcast. I think it's just, yeah, that
maybe the the younger crowd hasn't gone into the podcast
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realm as much yet. Then you know, the 20 somethings
or whatever that more so than like the 40 somethings where
podcast might be more up our alley based on our lifestyle and
all the things we're doing throughout the day.
Yeah, and, and you know, a lot of us, you know, 40 thumbs have
been collecting cards a long time.
So you don't need to see every single card.
We don't need to watch every video.
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We, we know what they're talkingabout.
We know exactly what card they're Speaking of and we can
picture it. So a lot of that can go into it
as well. Well, that's a perfect lead into
my next question for you becausethis this has kind of been a
topic I've seen in a few videos recently.
I want to get your take. What is, in your opinion, what's
the reason why videos were on YouTube, Sports card YouTube
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videos where someone is talking about their collection, you
know, they, they may be showing cards, but even ones where
they're just talking about like for example, I went on Victor's,
the rookie card specialist channel and we did a video and
it was a longer video. It was probably close to an
hour. So, you know, those tend to
obviously not get as many views and and things like that as as
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much attention as like a video that might be 12 minutes or 15
minutes based on the algorithm and people's attention spans.
But you know, we talked about mycollection, you know, my Tom
Brady collection and my completerun of his rookie cards.
And I don't know how many views it got maybe a few hundred
couple 100 views, right. And that and that's pretty
standard. That's I think what you expect
when you make a video like that where it's like a deep dive
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where you talk about your collection or even a video where
you're just showing pickups or abig pickup.
Those don't get nearly as many views as a video where someone's
talking about the hobby or talking about investing or
opinions on the hobby. A rant, so to speak.
When I first got onto YouTube, alot of people were saying it's
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all about the cards. People are here for the cards,
they want to see the cards, but yet the numbers don't back that
up. So what?
What do we make of this? I mean, it's kind of simple.
It it's the same thing goes backto like the podcast.
You like to watch a video showing cards.
Like that's what I do on my my channel.
You know, I'm not getting thousands of views on my show
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and tells. It's more for me less than it is
for people watching. I just enjoy the show and tell
aspect. And I think for us collectors,
there's like there's a certain number of guys that I really
want them to watch my channel because they're my good friends
and they collect like me and we root for each other's things.
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So you have those little core, you have the little core
audience that comes and watches,but the rest, you know, you can
just pop it in your headphones and you don't have to watch.
And everyone always talks about like when we do these lives and
everyone's like in the chat, show a card already show a card.
We don't even care because we can't even see the damn card,
especially if I'm doing the video because I'm all blurry.
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It's I like showing cards. That's the funnest part about
it. As a as someone who's on a show,
I love showing my collection, but I can talk about it just as
easily and it's just as effective and more so because
you can just listen to it. Everybody knows what these cards
look like and I can discuss the I appeal.
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That's why I like when I'll do avideo.
I dive really deep into every aspect of the card.
So if you are listening and you choose to listen, you can listen
and you can just get just as much out of it.
It's one of those things, videosshowing cards, you have to sit
there and you have to watch where when you're just talking
you can just pop it in your headand listen.
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So it's an easier listen then it's more work required for
those videos where it's a visualvideo where you got to actually
watch it. Now let me take a step further
because I totally agree with you.
I, I watch all your videos and Iwatch the ones where you're
showing a pickup. I am interested in what you're
picking up. I, I like to see what you're
doing with your collection because I'm your friend.
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Now, do you think it's that? Do you think it's that if you're
friends with someone, you're interested in what they're doing
their collection? But let's say someone stumbles
upon a video of me showing my Tom Brady collection or you
showing you know your Japanese baseball card pickups if they
don't know us. And they not our friends, should
they even care? Like why would they?
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They I could see them caring about opinions, right, because
it's interesting. But if they don't know us from
it, from Adam, right? Why would they care about what
we're doing with our collection?Is that is that kind of the root
of why those views don't show upas much as the other type of
videos? Yeah, and and in in all reality,
I mean, so I go through phases, right?
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Sometimes I want to find little videos, 20 minute long videos
and watch people that I, you know, I'm not super close with,
but I enjoy how they talk about each card they get.
So it all comes down to whether the guy is just going this is a
1960 tops Roberto Clemente, thisis a 1972 top so and so, or a
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guy who takes the card and and talks about it.
Why did he buy this card? Why, why he that entered his
collection? Then I'm intrigued and I want to
look at that card. It wasn't the I appeal.
Is that why he bought it or was it because it fit his set?
That's what's interesting to me and how the personality of the
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person is the most important thing, right?
I, I don't want to just have a, you know, blah, blah, blah.
I want someone excited. I want an energetic person.
I want them to just talk deeply.They don't have to talk fast
like me. They can talk like Eric, those
backpages, slow, steady, precise, they know what they're
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talking about. I love that stuff.
I just want to feel the passion and it all comes down to what
mood I'm in when I watch a video.
Do I want to watch a video and watch somebody share their cards
or do I want to listen to someone talk about their cards?
It's kind of kind of like that, you know, in opinion videos, we
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all want to watch a train wreck.I say dumb things all the time.
I know a lot of people probably watch, you know, listen to turn
back the Clock just to hear me say something stupid.
So it's, it's one of those things, right?
Well, and you know, I will say what's interesting because I've
done both type of videos, you know, video where I talk about
the hobby, give opinion, stuff like that, and those will get
more views. But then when I'll do a video
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where it's like a deep dive on a, you know, a 90s parallel or
I'll, I'll talk about a Tom Brady card or, or, you know,
it's more of a deep dive, smaller views, smaller audience,
But I tend to get more people reaching out to me, like
messages on Instagram that connect over, Hey, I love that
card too. Or I was waiting for someone to
talk about that. You know, maybe you'll get five
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of those, whereas you do a broader video and you get more
views in this comments, but the comments kind of aren't as
connecting. You know, it's more of just like
negative or positive, but like I'll get actually people
reaching out to me when I get real specific about Pacific
cards, stuff like that, where it's like, you know, where
there's a cult following of those type of things.
So I think, I think you can connect with people in different
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ways, even with a, with a, you know, smaller video or a more
deep dive than even some of those view, you know, the videos
that might get over 1000 views. You might not, you know, you
might not connect with people asyou would with a a, you know,
more specific type video. Yeah, and I want to give some
encouragement out to guys that we all started somewhere on
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YouTube. I started with 0 followers.
I didn't plan on growing fast orslow.
That wasn't my intention. My intention on my very first
video was I wanted to put my opinions out in the card world
I've been in my whole life. That's why I did it and I wanted
to share my collection. I didn't know if people were
going to like my videos or not. Like, and the friends I've made,
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those are the ones, you know, those are like my core little
group. But I'm friend with everyone in
the, in the space. But it's like one of those
things. So when a new guy comes along
and they've been doing it for like 6 months and I could
understand why they, you know, they'll get 50 views.
We all started that way. I didn't get thousands of views
out of the gate or 100 views outof the gate.
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And it's not about that. You're never going to make money
making sports card content. It's not going to happen.
Maybe for the very exclusive, whatever.
I don't even know if it's possible to really make it.
Like maybe daddy makes some money because he's selling like
what? He's selling like cereal bars
now or something. Or dad what?
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Daddy's selling cereal bars. I see.
I think it's magic spoon magic spoon serial.
I got to say I like I, I, I I like Dustin.
I've I watched a video just today.
He he seems like a guy that, youknow, if I ever met him in
person, we'd get along very wellAnd he but you know, you got to
you got to give him crap about doing magic spoon serial
promotion. Good for him.
Hey, good for you man. Yeah, exactly.
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But it's funny go that way. Yeah, so.
The, you know, for the little, the, the smaller channels out
there, if you want to build yourchannel up, there's a, there's a
recipe for that. And if you want to put your
opinion videos out there, they will get it.
They will get 1000 views. Jayhawker vintage Mike did a
video, you know, it blew up. You can be a small channel and,
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and, and have like a normal 50 views.
And if you want more views, do an opinion video, put your
opinions out there. I want to hear them.
Everybody wants to hear them. It doesn't matter you've been in
the hobby for a week or 100 years.
Opinion videos are really fun. So my encouragement to anyone
who has a small channel and is depressed and bummed, do some
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opinion videos. Lash yourself out there, say
some stupid stuff and you'll be up in the charts real quick.
And you'll, you know, along the way you find your little core
friends and invite them on your show and do collaborations.
I love all the guys that come onand do collaborations like turn
back the clock. It's fascinating to me.
All the collectors talking aboutcards together.
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It's it's really awesome. Well, that's a perfect segue to
my last point that I wanted to bring up to you and last
question. So again, Surface Issues Episode
2, one of the topics was Greg was bringing up something that
was in a group chat of ours where John Mangini was on
another channel, professor sports cards and Greg was, you
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know, giving him jokingly, you know, all in good fun.
He was he was saying, I think inthe video John said, you know, I
don't care what other people do,you know, it doesn't matter to
me how other people do it. But then in the same video, John
was, you know, giving his opinion, giving his opinion on
breaking and other other aspectsof the hobby.
So, and we all do that. Is it in your opinion, what
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what's your breakdown of when wegive opinions on, you know, ways
to collect or grading or whatever it might be in the
hobby? Whenever you Give your opinion
is, is that being taken the wrong way sometimes?
Are people taking that and saying, well, they're looking
down on me if I do that or they,they think that I'm doing it
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wrong? Is it, is it basically judging
someone if you give an opinion on it or are we just saying it's
not for me? Or is there is there a way to
say it where you can kind of make everyone happy?
What do you think? You know, you got to do the the
old Greg spiel and put a long caveat before you speak on these
podcasts and in the hobby, you have to clarify that these are
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my opinions. We used to do that all the time.
I would always say I'm less, I'mless scared anymore.
Like, if you don't know they're my opinions by now, then I'm
sorry. But when I say centered cards
are the future and the rarest things in tops that you can
find, it's not the registration,it's not anything else.
To me, it's more than an opinion, it's fact.
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Why? Because I've done the process of
trying to find these cards and that's the hardest thing to
find. I don't need all this data like
Greg and all this stuff to figure that out.
To me, it's fact. But to you guys, it should be
opinions and I'm not telling youthat your off center cards are
useless to you. You should be thanking me for
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pumping up the centered cards and making them more expensive
because all the off center cardsare getting a lot cheaper for
you. So you can.
You can get mad at anyones opinion but it's opinions that's
the whole point of this. When I share a printing plate
and I say this is the greatest thing in the world, these should
be worth a fortune man. It's not like a pump and dump
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scheme. I'm telling you what my thoughts
are on the future of the cards. I'm telling you my Japanese
baseball cards are the future. These things have a whole way
ramp to go up in value. They're so astronomically low.
This is my opinion. This is how I'm going about it.
You can agree or disagree, but I'm going to still put it out
there and you're not wrong if you have a different opinion,
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you're just wrong to me. To me, you're totally doing it
wrong. But I'm collecting for myself.
I have the greatest collection in the whole world.
Why? Because I made it for myself.
I didn't make it for you. I didn't make it for this guy.
This is my collection. You know it that it always
stands back down to create what you want in your collection.
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It doesn't matter what anyone else does, but you are also
allowed to listen two opinions and consider those opinions and
you're allowed to change your opinions.
We don't need to put our head inthe stand and say no, never
going to do that. Never going to believe that
you're allowed to. And that's why I like Greg.
He beats the dead horse till Thething is dead about.
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You know, the I appeal in the grading system, how it's flawed
and how the old, you know, the, some of the new force are like
the old sevens. And it took me a long time to
kind of come to terms with that myself, but I it taught me to
look at my cards a little different way too, and, and it's
good. So those are that's my thought
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about opinions, man. Their opinions.
But they're facts in my brain when I say my opinions until
otherwise I change my opinion. It's kind of like, it's kind of
like politics and what everyone's kind of trying to do
now, right? It's like, all right, you Dylan,
you could go on a video and say I think PSA eights that are off
centered are ugly cards it or I think they're bad purchases.
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I don't I don't think they're smart.
I think it's a a waste of money where you could spend on other
cards. You could say something like
that, which is a heavy opinion, right.
And then if someone's watching that, who can, who has those
type of cards in their collection, they spent good
money on them, but they don't get bothered by bad centering.
They can say, you know what? Dylan thinks my cards maybe not
for him or they might be ugly, but I still like Dylan, right.
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Like we, we don't have to not like each other because we like
certain things differently, you know, in in the hobby.
So I think it's some similarity there.
And I understand why people, when you give an opinion on
something, if you know, I've, I've heard people say things
where they're like, I, I, I can't come up with a perfect
example right now, but I've heard give people give opinions
on videos where I go, oh man. And it like kind of hurt my
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feelings at first where I was like, man, I got cards like that
or I collect that type of card. But then I'm like, So what, Who
cares? You know, like, I still like
this person, you know, they seemlike a cool person.
They don't have to like my collection.
It's, it's all good. So it's kind of just getting
over that at 1st and not gettingoffended by by these type of
things. But I understand why people can
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take offense to it at first. But maybe the longer we do,
it'll be easier and easier to just all get along.
Yeah, let me, let me, let me touch base on that because
that's really important. Like when I first got on here
and I was talking about centering, I'll bring up an
experience that I had that I felt it felt gross to me.
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And then I'll bring up an another experience where I made
other people feel unwelcome or gross to equal it out.
I was on a live and everybody was on there and a gentleman who
was very respected. And I love the guy.
I've met him in the flesh, Nicest human being ever.
If you were, I don't want to bring his name up because
there's no need. But in the live, he said if
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anyone thinks that we never looked at eye appeal and
centering in the past, I don't think they've collected.
I don't think they've been collecting as long as they've
said. And I felt pointed at and I was
said by many people in the chat and over the phone that, man,
that was rough. That was tough, Dylan.
And I was new at YouTube, right?So it did hurt because I was
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putting my opinion out there three years ago about the
centering thing, Like I was a crazy person, right?
Selling all these off centered stuff, all the higher grades.
And so I was really putting myself out there.
So I, I felt pointed at and I, Icalled the individual and we
talked and I shouldn't have taken offense to that because he
was just he, even if he, even ifhe had me in his brain, it
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doesn't mean he was right about that.
I didn't need to defend myself and I shouldn't have gotten butt
hurt over that. And now let me take it another
step forward where another experience John 380's kid was
talking crap on rookie cards. I felt like I was pointed out.
That's me, another one of my dumb like I shouldn't.
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I was like, why did I take offense to that?
John? I I know John so much more now.
He's just that's just John. You know, he's like, he's real,
he's like me. We have our opinions and this is
like fact, right? So he's talking about it.
And then we talked over the phone.
We're like best buds now. All good.
Well, Fast forward to the video we did not that long ago where I
talked about bringing your bag of money and going in there and
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just saying screw calm. So I got my bag of money, I'll
buy any card I want. And that was my experience with
these printing plates. And I was like, OK, I'm buying
these things. I don't care.
I got my bag of money. I'm just going to do it.
And I know why people felt pointed at.
At least one individual felt pointed at and he wasn't
pointing. He didn't feel pointed at
himself. He felt like I was pointing at
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other individuals. So I made two phone calls to the
other individuals that I thoughtthe person was pointing at.
They didn't take any offense, cleared it up.
But it's things like that that happen on YouTube.
It happens with friends and it'swe really have to be careful on
how we take things in when people give their opinions
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because they are opinions. And it's one thing until you say
the person's name and say you said this, this guy said this.
I'm at that point where I can't,I don't really get it.
I can't get offended anymore. I don't want to be that guy
who's gets offended by things. I've learned over time that
there's guys that love off centered stuff and we defend our
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own collections. If I'm a guy who was have all
these old 8 dirt numbers and nine cert numbers and Greg's
talking about how they're garbage now and they're they're
fives and I and I'm telling themI think it's crazy they're
spending five grand for a card that's uglier than my four that
cost 100 bucks. It's the truth to me.
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But that guy has to defend his own collection.
He spent a big amount of time and money on that collection.
So I understand them really get an uproar about it.
But you can do something about that.
If you truly believe that you still those eights and nines are
still going to be worth more in the future, then hold your
ground. We could be totally wrong about
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this whole thing, but if for anyreason you have any doubt, you
can change your opinion and makea fortune off those and
recollect them. So this hobby evolves and so
does our relationships with these opinion videos and feel,
you know, feeling pointed at when Victor, I'll bring up
Victor. OK, when you're on with Victor,
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he said something on the lines of he said like I'm so sick of
people saying these base cards are junk.
You know, I'm like, I don't never actually, I actually heard
that and I wrote them, you know,and I love Victor Kay.
I have the utmost respect for Victor and what he does on his
channel and his concentration onthe rookie card.
He had Bobby Burrell on his channel the other day.
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I listened to that. That was fantastic.
Made so much sense to me. I've learned a lot from Victor
in those rookie cards, whether my opinions are exactly aligned
with him. No, but I've never heard anyone
say these base cards are crap. But sometimes I feel like he's
talking to me because I always say base cards are never going
to go up in value and I believe that.
I believe that since the day I got on YouTube.
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But I never understood why the Mike Trout base card was worth
like 8 grand and then two grand.None of it made sense to me why
Kendra V Junior's Indiana upper deck should be worth 50 bucks in
all grades. All that doesn't make sense to
me, but it doesn't mean I'm right.
So I know I went off on a tangent, but we're allowed to
poke, poke our opinions out and we shouldn't be getting, you
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know, RIP the part in the comments because we're, we're up
here saying stuff and it's OK. And you can say it in the chat.
You don't have to be so hardcoreand and like mean about it.
There's there's other ways to doit and you could build your own
channel up and put opinions out of your own.
Yeah, and it's funny about Victor because I think Victor
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gets a lot of kickback from not so much maybe our crowd on
YouTube. I think he gets a lot of
kickback from a lot of the, the modern crowd, you know, that
really doesn't value the rookie card and they they throw the
base cards in the trash, you know, and he get he gets, I
think he gets a lot of a lot of feedback from that crowd.
So that's I think that's probably where some of that
comes from. Not necessarily like you or, or
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anyone in this crowd on YouTube,But you know, my last point I've
I've heard you say this in the past.
This was like a long time ago where you were talking about, I
think you had like certain cards, maybe a Michael Jordan
rookie card or some really big cards that have gotten a lot
bigger. And I think I remember you
saying like one of the reasons why you were always a maybe
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hesitant to hold on to those cards is 'cause you really you
were collecting in a vacuum likelike a lot of us.
And you really weren't sure of like what the future held.
Like is this card going to be even valuable in the future?
We didn't, we didn't know, you know, I think with a lot of us,
maybe the defensiveness of our collections and, and the way we
go about the hobby, maybe a lot of that's rooted in a little bit
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of insecurity about the hobby, even though now it's very
popular and everyone's very bold.
Not everyone, but a lot of people are very bullish on the
hobby long term. And there's big companies in it.
There's a lot of marketing behind it.
There's a good infrastructure there.
That's pretty recent. You know, I think in the past, I
mean, we lived through the junk wax era.
We, we, we went through periods where it felt like we were the
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only ones doing this, right. So I think there's a lot of that
out there where with people thatare spending real money on their
collections, you know, when theyhear someone give an opinion
that kind of contradicts what they've spent their money on,
they can get defensive a little bit and can get maybe, you know,
offended because they've spent alot of money.
And there's a maybe all of us have a little insecurity about
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what we're doing here, you know,spending some serious money on,
on cardboard. So I, I've always kind of had
that, that thought and even the companies up until recently now,
I mean, these companies are really going after it fanatics
and PSA and every, I mean, they're, there's big money at
stake in big marketing dollars, real serious people at the helm
that have a long history of success in whatever they try to
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do. But you know, up until like the
last few years, really, the companies, in my opinion, in the
hobby were kind of not real bullish on the hobby long term.
I always it kind of felt like these companies were just just
waiting for things to just crashagain or, you know, completely
go everything just go away. Like no one was really willing
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to invest heavily into their company.
And then I think that's a lot ofwhat you see with like old PSA
labels and so forth. Even PSA back in the day, I
don't think they were investing until the new leadership came
in. I don't think they were really
investing in their company and, and I don't know that that's
just maybe going a little too deep into it, but that I've been
thinking about that where now it's different, but people have
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been in a while. It's kind of like PTSD sometimes
in the hobby. It's, it is, it was way scarier
in the past 'cause there was no YouTube, there were no, you
know, when I had those monster cards, I, it was like, I mean,
they weren't monsters in there $500 cards back then.
They were monsters for, you know, 1999, two, 1001.
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You know, I'm out of high schoolworking full time.
Like I told myself I'm going to buy all these goats.
I'm going to buy every goat of every single sport.
Gretzky rookies all the way across.
I had a few Michael Jordan rookies, Nolan Ryan rookies, oh,
you name it. If I would have kept, I mean,
Kobe Bryant refractors in the 9 in 96, I had loads of this
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stuff. If I would have kept all those
cards the whole time and never knew their value, I would have
at least $2,000,000 worth of cards, you know, right now.
So it's one of those things. But I was alone.
You know, I'm thinking, man, whois some eventually you hold on,
it's long enough and then they they stack up and these safes
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and you have like thousands and thousands and thousands of
dollars. You know, especially back then
as a young man, it got scary. And I'm like, gosh, man.
So I put that money into stocks instead.
And it's hard. When you when you don't know
anyone else who is into cards. That's where I was a little over
4 years ago. I was literally like, I don't
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know one person who still buys cards or cares about cards.
I know I do for some reason. But when you don't see anyone
else out there and you don't have anyone to talk about,
nothing to bounce off of, then you do.
Yeah. You're just like, I don't know,
maybe maybe it's kind of, I lovethese things, but I got to be
careful I guess, because it could be good.
It could be going to 0. Now with YouTube and social
media, we have so much that we can see out there.
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We can see the National. I didn't even know the National
was a thing until I got on YouTube.
I never even heard of the National.
So now that we see like there's 100,000 people at the National,
I mean, it does give you more confidence.
I think in like what we're doing, I think, you know.
Absolutely, I have AI have no problem where say everything got
cut in half. I'm not worried about the hobby
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at this point. There's there's Chris Sewell did
a video today and and I am 100% in agreeance with him.
There is more collectors today, full blown collectors.
I don't care if you're a flipperor whatever.
I'm talking if you're playing with cards in some way, shape or
form, you're some sort of a collector for the most part.
There's more collectors now thanthey've ever been in any time
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even during that 90s boom, in myopinion, of course.
So it gives me confidence like, man, everything got cut in half.
Give it another 20 years, we'll hit another boom time.
And I think, man, I, I think we're in the still like 5th
inning of this, of this hobby boom.
I know I'm not talking prices necessarily, but hobby.
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Boom popularity. Yes, yes.
Well, I think that's a great wayto to end this one deal on a
positive note, right? We're we're optimistic, we're
hopeful, and I think we have good reason to be.
So I want to leave it with this now.
This video will go on YouTube. It it goes out on a podcast
first. I know a lot of guys that may
catch this on YouTube. They're not I've, I've heard
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from the people who have no cluehow to listen to a podcast.
So if you have one of those smartphones guys, you get an
iPhone, just download Spotify orApple.
That's all you need one of thosetwo, if not both, but all you
need is one of them and look forthe the sports card clubhouse.
I'm going to put links in the video here.
And I, you know, unless you haveYouTube premium, which I do have
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YouTube premium. I've had it for a long time.
I know you do, where it allows you to really listen to YouTube
as a podcast. I know a lot of guys don't have
it. You can't.
It's really hard to like listen to a video like this.
You're out, you know, mowing thelawn or whatever 'cause when you
shut click your phone off, it shuts the thing off unless you
have the premium, right? So I encourage people to either
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get YouTube Premium or start listening on a podcast to these
type of episodes 'cause it's a lot easier.
Dude, this is a call out straight up to Lou Rock.
Talked to him about this. He doesn't have the premium.
He's watching commercials for all the YouTube content.
I go, it's 10 bucks a month, 120bucks a year and you don't have
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to watch any commercials and youcan turn into a podcast and go
what is wrong with you? So you rock, you got it, dude.
Step up your game, man. That's like that's nothing.
Just it's a game changer to be able to close your phone and
it's a podcast doesn't burn a hole in your pocket.
You know what to watch all you know, it's you don't have to
watch all those freaking commercials watching our videos.
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So last thing I want to say, Adam, is that, you know, again,
I'm going to clarify the fact that these are my personal
opinions when I speak. If if you have different
opinions, that's fantastic. I'm not telling you to go do
anything that I'm doing or believe anything that I'm
saying. All I want to do is come across
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as is not. I want to be just a me as a
normal person. I'm not mad at anyone for
collecting differently than me. I'm not pointing at you for
anything you're doing in this hobby if I think you're wrong.
It's just that's just my opinion.
I'm not going to be like you're wrong you're the worst person
ever because you're wrong. No, I don't care how you
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collect. I truly do not care.
I just really wanted to put thatthere.
One last thing to make it even more controversial for Victor
and anybody else. You know when I was a kid when I
opened up a pack of Tops baseball cards, 198786, when I
got common players, you know where they went into my spokes.
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So I have no problem with kids not loving all the Commons that
come out of the packs. I don't care.
I was the same way as a kid. So you don't need to collect
every single card. You know, every base card that
comes out of a pack isn't worth everything.
It you don't need to just pile up these stacks of cards.
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Some people love it, but not everyone needs to love every
card that comes out of a pack. So I want to, you know, throw
that in the system to work Victor up a little bit, you
know? Work him out.
Victor is a great guy and and actually the one of the reasons
I love Tom Brady based rookie cards is because those were
Commons when they came out of the pack.
Everyone thought he was a commonright.
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So that's why I think they're really cool is because a lot of
people when they pull the Brady rookie out of a pack in 2000 or
2001, they threw it in the trash.
So I love it. That's why I love those cards.
All right, we're going to wrap it here, Dylan first one of many
here in the future. This was awesome, guys.
Thanks for listening and watching.
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We'll catch you on the next one.
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