September 28, 2025 • 43 mins
Graig has a YouTube channel called MidLife Sports Cards and does a weekly Q & A episode. This episode posted there on 9/24/25. He covers a wide variety of topics this week, including what to do about PSA grading changes and his advice on whether or not to invest into football cards of future Hall of Fame players.
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What's going on everybody? Alright, it's Wednesday.
Wednesday is Q&A day. Excited for five more great
questions. I can't say this enough.
I appreciate everybody who takesthe time to submit a question
for the Q&A episodes. I had a lot of great questions
this week. If I didn't use your question
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this week, again, please just bepatient.
I'd literally keep them all listed.
I will get to them all. If you will have a question for
this coming week, feel free to ask it again.
The thing that I love about the Q&A episodes is it's what you
all are interested in talking about.
So it's it's really you guys getto pick the topic of whatever it
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is that we go through. So there are times I'm like,
well, I think people would be interested in hearing about
this. Well, I know at least one person
is interested in hearing about whatever your topic is.
So don't hesitate down below in the comments to simply type out
your question. I'll add it to the list.
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Look forward to covering them again.
I do 5A week and I absolutely love doing it.
Now, I didn't mention this on myMonday video for some reason.
I didn't mention that on over the weekend.
I went to a card show with my dad and it's a pretty big show.
It's probably the best card show.
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Is it the best card show in Northern California?
It's pretty close. Sometimes there's a lot of
Pokémon, sometimes there's some Pokémon.
There was a middle to smaller amount than normal at this
particular one. There were some really good
things on display that had me really, really thinking.
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I made three purchases. One I would say is a pretty
decent sized purchase and then Ihad a couple of smaller
purchases. But I will explain all of that
on Friday. I'm going to do the card show
video. It's been, it's been crazy with
everything. Again, we're in the middle of
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Lucy's soccer season, her college soccer season.
Monday was a live stream. Thank you to everybody who
showed up. The live streams are so much fun
and obviously thank you to my guests.
Darren return to collecting TonySouthern collector 14, and Mr.
Mike Petty. I appreciate those guys.
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As always, let me know down below in the comments.
Do you want me to stick with thesame crew for my live streams
the the Homeboys or do you want me to mix it up?
Do you want me to do one thing one month, another thing another
month? Let me know that down in the
comments below as well. All right, so Friday card show
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video, how that went. I'll show you my pickups.
I'll show you the show. A lot of great stuff.
Got some dealer info to share with all of you so that if you
see something that you're interested in, you can reach
out. As always, I try to do that.
Couple of the better dealers hadsome really, really great stuff.
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It was it was a really good show.
All right, here we go. Question #1 this week right
here. You mentioned you might use it
and I thought you were going to in this episode, but you didn't
get there. So I want to ask again, what
happens when a grading company via AI can recognize a card that
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was graded prior then cracked and resubmitted?
Honestly they could do this withcurrent scanning technology.
PS as terms of service states they own the slab.
So if you crack it out and resubmit and they have the
ability to recognize the card, what's next?
Is it the end of unbiased secondlooks?
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Because now they will know what their prior grade was despite it
being returned without the original slab.
OK I mean this seems like a great point.
It, it seems like a logical thought if, if you have taken a
card and you've sent it to PSA and PSA has scanning technology,
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they have told us that they scanevery card and they identify
every card 'cause every card is slightly different.
There's slightly, you know, different variations in the
paper that is used, slightly different, different textures
and, and things it and they create basically a, a
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fingerprint is, is how they describe it at PSA of each card
that comes through. So if a card is submitted and
then resubmitted, they're able to identify it.
Now the the cards that are serial numbered, really easy,
really easy to know if that has been submitted before.
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That is all in their database. So if they wanted to look up a
card and say, Gee, this number 9out of 25 of this refractor card
has already shown up and we gaveit an 8, so why grade it again?
We'll just give it an 8 because we know it's an 8.
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So thanks for the donation on the money.
But it's an 8 just like it was last time.
That's what a lot of us would think.
But remember, remember a couple of things.
First, PSA is in the business ofmaking money.
And so PSA is not in the business of suggesting that you
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not resubmit a card. If if, if that if you knew that
that card got a certain grade and it had no chance of ever
again getting a different grade,you wouldn't resubmit it, which
is bad for business. Now businessmen want repeat
customers and I, I mean, I thinkthat that's part of it now again
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that you would say, but wait, ifit got an 8 last time, should
get an 8 next time. And if we evaluated it once
before at an 8, then they shouldjust look it up and give it an
8. But remember, the the heads at
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PSA had said many times that there are ranges in how the the
grading falls. There are there are standards,
there are there are ranges, there are, you know, opinions of
particular graders. So they even readily say
themselves. They say that a card won't
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necessarily get the same grade each and every time.
Doesn't mean it's necessarily going to get the same grade
because it's again it's a graders opinion and there's
ranges and standards so it couldgrade something differently.
Just because it got APSA eight the first time doesn't mean it's
always going to get APSA 8. It could get a nine, it could
get A7, it could get a 7.5. South, one of the reasons now a
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lot of people would say that is that's not OK, that's not OK,
that that's the case, but it's the case.
And one of the reasons it's the case and one of the reasons I
think they're OK with it is because it allows people to
resubmit. If the same card got the same
grade every time, that would probably be the best thing for
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those of us in the collecting community because we would know
that that's the grade and and they stand by the grade.
But that's not good for business.
That's not good for business. Now, a lot of us, and you know,
I've been harsh on PSA, you know, and and I know I just got
three thumbs downs in the comments because of what I just
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said. That's fine, congratulations.
But my thought is this to a certain extent seems reasonable.
It seems reasonable that it would be a different grade.
The problem is that us in the card collecting community has
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put so much value on the grade that people are willing to pay
significantly more or less depending on the grade, even the
same card. That's, but that's on us.
That's not on PSA. So let me just give you an
example. So high school students take AP
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tests and AP tests are basicallyyou take a class in high school,
it's sort of like an honors class.
And then at the end you take a test.
And if you perform well enough in the test, then a lot of
colleges will give you college credit for having that
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knowledge. And it'll be like you took the
class in college. And if you perform below that
grade or that that threshold of depending on the college,
depends on the threshold, could be a three, could be a four to
five, depends on the college. Long story short, if you do
really well, you can get collegecredit.
If you don't do really well, youwon't get college credit.
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Now there are teachers all over the country that will go to 1
central place. Like for example, for a long
time, I think the one of the history AP testings was done in
Louisville. So in Louisville, KY, all these
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teachers who are trained on how to evaluate this test, they go
to this one place, they all grade tests for like 3 days.
Isn't it possible that one teacher who's grading an essay
might say, this is only worthy, this essay is only worthy of A2,
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but this other teacher, if they had gotten it, they might have
deemed it worthy of a three. Now they have rubrics, they have
standards, they have ranges. And it does seem possible that
two different people could evaluate that slightly
differently, which might make one person fall into receiving
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college credit and one person not.
But because it's kind of a, a double-blind on.
You don't know who you're grading.
You don't know which grader you got.
On average, it's probably prettysimilar, but it could be
different. So in a situation like grading a
card, it's the same thing. Again, as long as it's done by a
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human being, human beings have differences.
Now am I defending PSAI? Don't think I'm defending PSAI.
Think what I'm doing is I'm explaining that whenever you
have two different humans evaluate something, they're not
likely to come to the same exactconclusion.
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The conclusions might be slightly different.
And if I graded the same assignment from a student five
times, it's possible that one time I give it a 78% and one
time I give it a 76%. It's possible.
Then I give it a 79 one time in a 77, it's always going to be
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pretty close, going to be prettydarn close.
But it might be different enoughto fall over the threshold.
And I know that's what a lot of people say is to go.
That's the problem with grading.The problem with grading is it
could be A7, it could be a six, but the difference between A6
and A7 could be $1000. And that is the problem.
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But whose fault is that? Isn't that our fault?
Isn't that the person who goes? I'm willing to pay way more for
that one because it got a 7 thanthat one that got a six.
Now the part where I get a little sketch is when there's a
card that gets a four and then it gets sent back in and it gets
A7, or vice versa, the same card.
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The grade changes a lot. That's where I am like, but I do
kind of understand why A8 might become a nine or a nine might
become an 8. That seems reasonable when human
beings are doing it. So I don't know have was I just
hard on PSA or was I easy on PSAI?
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Think I was a little bit of both.
Was I hard on the card community?
At the end of the day, the, the,the moral of the story is the,
the grade is one opinion and thegrade is not the rule of law.
It is not a fact that that's it.That is the, that is the whole
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point of what I'm saying. The grade is not a fact.
The grade is an opinion. Which by the way, yesterday
episode 2 of Surface Issues withmyself and Mike Junkwax Hero
posted on YouTube. The audio version on podcast
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formats posted on Saturday. Thank you to everyone who has
been supporting us on that. And we talked about what's the
difference between fact and opinion?
Is A7 in PSAA fact or an opinion?
I declare it to be an opinion. This one says I wanted to test a
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theory with you. Love to hear your thoughts.
Do you think there is a difference between a sports fan
who collects cards and a card fan who follows sports?
Just a theory. There is absolutely a
difference. There's absolutely a difference
between a sports fan who collects cards and a card
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collector who likes sports. There, you don't have to.
I mean you don't. Kevin O'Leary.
Kevin O'Leary was part of that group that bought the big Kobe
Jordan card. If you told me he never watched
basketball, I'd believe it. Now, is he a card collector?
Is he a card investor? That's a whole another thing.
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I'll use myself as an example. I watch my Niner games.
I love watching my 49er games and I don't have many 49er
cards, not at least of the modern players I don't have.
I don't really have many Brock Purdies.
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I don't. I mean, I don't have many
Christian Mccaffrey's. Maybe I should, maybe I should,
but I don't. So I am a sports fan of my
49ers, but I don't collect theircards.
I also collect cards of guys that have never watched play.
I like hockey. I don't watch much hockey,
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although playoff hockey is fantastic, but I still want a
Mario Lemieux rookie card and a Wayne Gretzky rookie card.
But I don't watch hockey. But I want their cards.
So I don't think you. You definitely don't have to be
a sports fan to like sports cards.
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My buddy Dylan Double D, he readily admits he, he rarely
watches baseball anymore, but hecollects modern baseball cards.
He collect, he has a whole bunchof Aaron Judge carts, but he
doesn't watch baseball cards. I've been talking about Dylan a
lot lately. Maybe I should have Dylan on.
Dylan, you got to come on soon because we've been talking a lot
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and and I've been talking about you a lot.
So we should, we should talk, weshould get together and, and do
a video soon on something. I don't know what, but but Dylan
doesn't watch a lot of baseball,but Dylan collects baseball
cards. So there are also people who are
huge fans of their team and theycollect Keith lonely basement,
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lonely basement baseball cards. He collects Yankee cards and he
follows the Yankees closely. Mookie.
Mookie follows Mets game super closely and he collects cards.
So is there a difference? There is a difference.
I don't think either way it's mutually exclusive.
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You don't have to collect cards to be a sports fan.
You don't have to be a sports fan to collect cards.
Is there a difference? Yeah, I I suppose there's a
difference. There are some people who are
really avid fans of their teams and they're avid collectors of
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the players of their teams, and there are other people who are
avid collectors but don't reallyfollow it that closely.
I think I answered the question.I believe that it's both.
You could be either. I don't think it's the same
thing. I think that it could be
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different. This one states another
fantastic episode. First, thank you for answering
my question from a couple weeks ago.
Right now my biggest fear in thehobby is all this talk about
stricter standards in PSA grading vintage cards.
And I'm already seeing the results of this.
New collectors coming into the hobby wanting to buy vintage
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cards but can't trust that the grades are accurate in old slabs
and feel that only new slabs canbe trusted.
Most new collectors don't have the experience to judge a card
on their own and hearing and seeing all this negativity about
old slabs is causing a divide between the same grade that's in
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my opinion only going to get wider.
Your thoughts on this I would like to know.
So I totally respect what you'resaying.
I totally respect that you say. My biggest fear for the hobby is
that nobody can really trust grades as much because old
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grading standards seem to be easier than current grading
standards. Some grading standards seem to
at times change, like even the published grading standards have
changed. Things are clearly kind of a
moving target. And I understand where you're
coming from because what gradinghas.
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One of the things that grading can do is it can protect a
novice collector because the novice collector doesn't know
necessarily. That card is mint, that card is
X mint. I literally have some friends
who I who aren't really card collectors or or at least not
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active card collectors, and I'llshow them a card that I pick up
in like a four and they'll go, man, how's that not a 10?
And I'm like, well, there's a lot of reasons why it's not a
10. So through a, a, a novice eye,
through the eye of a person who is just kind of casual about it,
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they don't see the the little details that might separate a
super high end card from a mid grade card.
And what grading, one of the things that grading I think does
do is it does to at least some extent protect those people.
But we went from the Wild West for years where it was all about
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knowledge of condition. Like it was, it was the people
who knew condition had tons of power over people who didn't
know condition. And if you didn't know condition
and you didn't trust your own eye, you probably were just
like, oh, I, I thought it was nice.
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I I guess it's not nice. Oh, oh, that little thing right
there, like that's not supposed to be there.
So what grading did is it took it from the Wild West to where
there's at least some policing of it, and it's not really
policing of it. But what happened was I think
that the pendulum swung all the way from the Wild West to the
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opposite where it was like authoritarian.
It was like A7 is a 7 is a 7A6 is a 6A6 is never as good as a
7A7 is never as good as an 8A3 is clearly inferior to A5.
And I feel like we went from theWild West where it was all kind
of like nobody really knew unless you knew.
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And then it went to, well, they told me so.
So that's a fact. And like I just said a second
ago, a grade is not a fact. A grade is an opinion.
So I think we went from this thing where there were no of
outside third party opinions. It was just completely up to the
two people involved in the deal to we introduced a third party
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opinion which I think in my opinion brings some value in.
Some people are super anti grading.
I think grading provides some value, but what grading does,
what grading really does is grading is an opinion and
grading is a data point. It's not the data point.
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It is not the end of the debate.It is one opinion in the debate.
So I hear what you're saying about you fear it.
Your biggest fear for the hobby is that grading standards are
not as trusted. I actually kind of feel the
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opposite. I actually feel like what
happened was collectors and dealers had all the power before
and the the knowledgeable collector had tons more power
and the less knowledgeable collector had very little power.
That's how it was that we gave all of the power to the grading
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companies. We just handed it over.
We said whatever they say, whatever they say goes.
Oh, they said it's an 8. I guess it's an 8.
So we should charge 8 prices. It's they say it's an 8.
Well, there's there must not be a mistake, but over time and
what and say what you will aboutsocial media, say what you will
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about YouTube, say what you willabout, you know, different
people in the hobby sharing experiences and things.
But what I think one of the one of the biggest benefits of of
the hobby community being connected like it is now, like I
am sitting here in Sacramento and you could be watching this
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from across the world by sharingopinions, by sharing evidence,
by sharing experiences, what we now have done is we have taken
the power back and over time, what has happened over time is
enough. People said, man, this card got
a six that has writing on it. They made a mistake.
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Oh, look at this. This card was a 4I cracked it
and resubmitted it. Now it's a six.
Oh, look at this. I had it in an 8.
I cracked it and resubmitted it.Now it's a 5.
What that what all of that research, and that's basically
what it is, is it's research. What all of that research has
done is it's LED everyone to realize that the grade is not a
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fact. It's just an opinion and by
being an opinion it gives us thepower.
Back when people believed the grades were a fact and not an
opinion, all of the power was held by them.
So what was happening is if if you were able to get that card
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in a high grade, it was worth more 100% of the time.
And what has happened now is people go this is a 5, but this
is a really low end 5. This is a old grade 5.
And this five over here, this 5 is a really nice five that is an
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undergraded 5. So these two fives are no longer
the same. That to me is a movement that is
good for the hobby because what happened was we handed all of
our power. We just took all of our chips
and pushed them to the center ofthe table and said, whatever you
say, grading companies. And now what we've done is we
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say, well, thanks for your opinion.
It's like going to the doctor and the doctor saying, I got bad
news for you. You have a brain tumor and you
go, I'm going to get another opinion.
And then you go to the other doctor and they say, I don't
know what that guy was talking about.
You don't have a brain tumor. How is that possible?
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How is it possible that one could say I do and the other
could say I don't? Well, because unless you're
physically looking at the brain tumor, it's just an opinion.
The same thing with cards. They I like third party
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opinions. I believe, I believe that SGC
and PSA and BGSI believe that has helped the the the hobby
grow because it gives an opinion, a third party opinion
to a person who may not have a real strong knowledge base of
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what the actual condition of a card is.
It, it kind of helps educate them on the approximate range of
the quality of the card. But now that we've been able to
share experiences and we've beenable to share our thoughts and
our opinions and show, look, this is what happened when I did
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this. This is what happened when I did
this. This card sold for this, this
one sold for this. We've started to take the hobby
control back and that is where it belongs.
The hobby belongs to the people and the control of the hobby
belongs to the collectors. And I believe it's a good thing.
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I do believe that. And, and to your point about
some new collectors not knowing that they're all different,
that's one of the reasons I keepbeating the drum, the dead, the
horse is dead and I'm just beating it, beating it with
things about grading. And the reason why is because
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there are always new people showing up.
There are always collectors who aren't fully convinced yet.
I think when there's evidence topresent that the grade is an
opinion and not a fact, I believe that that is an
opportunity that we want to, as advocates of the hobby, of
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ensuring the health of the hobby.
I think it's important that we continue to share that.
I'm not going to sit here and say that grading is the evil
empire of a card collecting. I don't think that.
I think it brings a lot of good,but it also has some bad
components to it. And when there's good things
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that are happening or bad thingsthat are happening, I want to
share it so that when those people are coming back into the
hobby or entering the hobby, there's a place where I they can
say, oh, OK, so it's not a fact,it's an opinion.
That's always my goal. And that gave us control back.
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This one says, hey Greg, question for a future episode.
If you were to pick anywhere in the United States to live based
solely on the card hobby, where would you pick?
What would be the determining factors in that choice?
Access to card shows easy proximity to fellow YouTube
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creators. Thanks and I look forward to
your answer if you decide to share.
This is a fun question and I would say I, I first read this
question like Friday, and when Iread it, I've thought more about
this question. For whatever reason, I've
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thought more about this questionthan any question I've gone in a
while, which says I don't know what that says about me.
I, I went to a card show with mydad over the weekend, which I
mentioned earlier. And I have a tradition that
whenever I'm driving to or from a card show with my dad or with
myself, I call Mookie Chilson. I tell him how it went.
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And I was talking to Mookie on Saturday and I said, Mookie,
we're doing this show. This is what's going on.
And he said, I am driving with Sammy Thunder on Sunday to the
Philly card show. And I was like, now I'm jealous.
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There are so many shows that happen in the Northeast.
There's the, you know, East Coast national, there's the
Philly show that, you know, strongs Villas in that area.
There's Fanatics Fest, which even though I'm, I, I would
still be interested in attendinga Fanatics fest.
There's, you know, you guys knowthem all where they're, they're
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always up there. There's always a show going on
in the, the Northeast. A lot of my hobby friends live
in the Northeast now. I have hobby friends that live
in other places too. You know, people say, oh, you
and Petty both live in California.
Petty is a 7 hour drive from me.Yes, he is in California, 7
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hours away. And you know, I have friends in
Texas, I have friends in Colorado, I have friends in
Florida, I have friends in the Carolinas, I have friends in
Pennsylvania. And you guys know where you
live? So if I were to pick a place to
live, I would want to live near where some of my friends live
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and central to where a lot of the shows are.
I actually think the Pennsylvania area especially
kind of like Eastern Pennsylvania is probably a
pretty good spot because it's not crazy far.
If you wanted to go to Chicago, where the National is a lot,
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it's not that far from Strongsville.
It's not that far from Cleveland, which sometimes hosts
the National. It's not that far from Shriners
or, or you know, the Fanatics Fest.
It's it's obviously right at thePhilly show.
So I kind of think if, if I would, I would really choose, I
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think Eastern Pennsylvania, if Ihad to pick a place.
I also have several guys that are in the hobby that I really
like that live in the Philly area.
So if I would be able to run into them or hang out with them
even. So that's probably what I would
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choose. Now I have a few guys that I'm
really good friends with, not just card friends, but really
good friends with who are also card friends that live in that
area. That part of me would say, man,
it'd be really fun to live in the same town as, you know, Tony
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Southern Collector or Mookie Chilson or Darren Return to
Collecting, I mean to name a few.
There are a lot more guys that I'm also good friends with, but
part of me is like, it'd be really fun to live in the same
town as Sam. But from the card collecting
thing being central to a lot of those shows and not horribly far
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from where a lot of these same people live, that'd be pretty
cool. So I'm going Philly and finally
this one says question. I know you don't give out
investment advice, but I thoughtthis would be a fun question to
ponder over. If you were going to invest in
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potential Hall of Fame football players cards and you thought
they would go up in value once they're voted in, which players
other than the obvious Brees, Brady, Mahomes, Fitzgerald, JJ
Watt, Aaron Donald, would you invest in?
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What other players cards do you think will be logical Hall of
Fame inductees and would likely have good investment potential?
All right, I have many thoughts about this one.
First of all, I wouldn't, I wouldn't invest in football
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cards of guys who aren't in the Hall of Fame where I think them
making the Hall of Fame would make them go up in value.
I, I, I wouldn't do that. Now I have been to the Baseball
Hall of Fame. I have been to the Football Hall
of Fame. There are way more guys in the
Football Hall of Fame that I don't know who they are than the
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Baseball Hall of Fame. I feel like the Baseball Hall of
Fame is more of a big deal than the Football Hall of Fame.
Now, both of them are obviously a big deal, don't get me wrong.
But if you may get into the Baseball Hall of Fame, that is a
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club where most people know who you are.
And in the Football Hall of Fame, because there's so many
different positions that do so many different things.
I mean, baseball, a lot of whether you make the Hall of
Fame or not, like a overwhelmingamount of it is as a as a player
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is how you hit and as a pitcher,how many stats you compiled.
Well, stats for hitters too. It's not so much if you're a
second baseman versus 1/3 baseman.
It's like, oh, this guy was a better, a slightly better third
baseman. There are a lot of really good
defensive players that aren't inthe Hall of Fame a lot.
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Omar Visquel, I mean, Greg Nettles, I mean, there are a lot
of Keith Hernandez, Don Mattingly, There's some really
good defensive players. So ultimately it's about stat
compiling as hitting and stat compiling for pitching.
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That's kind of like what makes you in the Baseball Hall of
Fame. And, and I'm getting off the
rails, so let me pull myself back in.
So I wouldn't do it because I feel like if you are in the Hall
of Fame as a football player, itdoesn't suddenly make you way
more relevant or in a club that is clearly separated from the
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others. I feel like in baseball, if you
aren't in the Hall of Fame and then you get in, you're like in
this club that is just different.
So I don't see somebody in football who's not in the Hall
of Fame. Like I love Roger Craig.
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Roger Craig was my guy growing up and he absolutely should be
in the Hall of Fame, but he's not in the Hall of Fame.
So if Roger Craig were to make the Hall of Fame, would his 84
tops rookie card surge in value?No, it wouldn't.
It just wouldn't. It would give him another thing
to inscribe on on on an autograph, but it wouldn't make
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his card surge. It wouldn't be a game changer
for his collectibility. Ultimately with football, and I
don't really like this so much about football card collecting,
but it is so much about the quarterback.
It is like the quarterback. Then there's like a big drop off
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and there's like wide receiver running back and then it's like
that maybe tight end. I mean, there's some incredible
linebackers and lineman and safeties and cornerbacks.
The cards aren't worth Jack. So I wouldn't invest in a player
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thinking well, I wouldn't investin I, I wouldn't I wouldn't
invest in cards of guys who aren't are already in the Hall
of Fame. I personally don't invest in
cards. I just buy cards and then hope
they go up. Now back to your question.
You listed some, so I'm going toanswer the question, but I
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wouldn't do this. I'll answer the question because
I'm, I'm not going to just avoidit.
You listed some names you you listed like Mahomes and Aaron
Donald and and some some other guys.
So my thought is which players that you didn't list and aren't
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in the Hall of Fame do I think have their cards have a good
amount of potential? Well, the person you didn't live
there. There's one that kind of jumps.
I mean, someone was there was something about Eli Manning.
I think you, you mentioned Eli Manning in the question.
I, I wouldn't go out and buy a bunch of Eli Manning cards
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personally. Again, it, it's not always
about, did you win a title? It's not always about your
stats, 'cause there are a lot ofplayers, a lot of stats.
I mean, Dan Fouts has incrediblestats and he's in the Hall of
Fame, but it's, he could buy, hecould buy his rookie card for
cheap, right? The guy who I think has a lot of
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upside potential in football cards and isn't in the Hall of
Fame and wasn't on your list. I would have said Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers is is and was really good, really good.
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And Aaron Rodgers is is a guy who a lot of people are aware of
and but part of Aaron Rodgers thing is, is he's.
He's a little different and because he's a little different,
I think he's alienated a lot of people.
And so because he's alienated a lot of people, I don't know what
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his long term card values are going to do.
They definitely have some value and there are definitely a lot
of Aaron Rodgers fans, but I don't know if people are going
to look back and I don't know what he's going to do when he
finally retires or say culturally that could make him
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his Cards values a little unstable.
But Aaron Rodgers is an all timegreat quarterback and Aaron
Rodgers is extremely well known.And Aaron Rodgers played on some
really good teams, multiple MVPS.
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So I wouldn't invest in Aaron Rodgers.
But of the people that you listed who I think their cards
could have a good amount of value, I'd probably say Aaron
Rodgers. But again, I wouldn't do that.
I'm not. I don't do investment advice
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because I that's just not the lens through which I view the
hobby. I had a dealer.
Side note, I had a dealer at theshow this weekend, really good
guy, met him like 3 years ago, really like running into him.
Super positive guy, great guy. And he's mostly a modern guy and
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mostly modern like basketball, some other stuff, but a lot of
modern basketball. And he said, hey, I'm really
thinking about going heavy into vintage for for like long term
holds. Who do you think is a good long
term hold in vintage? And, and I shared my opinions.
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I was like, well, I kind of think these car, he was like,
give me 5 cards that are good long term holds Give me.
And then I, I kind of went through my list and he goes,
well, give me 5 more. And I kind of went through my
list and I was like, I'm not saying you should invest in
these, Like I'm not, this is notinvestment advice, but I, I gave
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some thoughts on it anyway. All right, that said, if you
have a question for an upcoming episode down below in the
comments, leave it. Thank you to everyone on Monday
for coming to Midlife live #9 and Friday.
Remember the card show video with some pickups?
It was a good show. Won't be a super long video, but
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I definitely took some footage and I'll be sharing some
information of some of the dealers if you want to reach out
to them. So look forward to that on
Friday.
What's going on everybody? Alright, it's Wednesday.
Wednesday is Q&A day. Excited for five more great
questions. I can't say this enough.
I appreciate everybody who takesthe time to submit a question
for the Q&A episodes. I had a lot of great questions
this week. If I didn't use your question
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this week, again, please just bepatient.
I'd literally keep them all listed.
I will get to them all. If you will have a question for
this coming week, feel free to ask it again.
The thing that I love about the Q&A episodes is it's what you
all are interested in talking about.
So it's it's really you guys getto pick the topic of whatever it
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is that we go through. So there are times I'm like,
well, I think people would be interested in hearing about
this. Well, I know at least one person
is interested in hearing about whatever your topic is.
So don't hesitate down below in the comments to simply type out
your question. I'll add it to the list.
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Look forward to covering them again.
I do 5A week and I absolutely love doing it.
Now, I didn't mention this on myMonday video for some reason.
I didn't mention that on over the weekend.
I went to a card show with my dad and it's a pretty big show.
It's probably the best card show.
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Is it the best card show in Northern California?
It's pretty close. Sometimes there's a lot of
Pokémon, sometimes there's some Pokémon.
There was a middle to smaller amount than normal at this
particular one. There were some really good
things on display that had me really, really thinking.
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I made three purchases. One I would say is a pretty
decent sized purchase and then Ihad a couple of smaller
purchases. But I will explain all of that
on Friday. I'm going to do the card show
video. It's been, it's been crazy with
everything. Again, we're in the middle of
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Lucy's soccer season, her college soccer season.
Monday was a live stream. Thank you to everybody who
showed up. The live streams are so much fun
and obviously thank you to my guests.
Darren return to collecting TonySouthern collector 14, and Mr.
Mike Petty. I appreciate those guys.
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As always, let me know down below in the comments.
Do you want me to stick with thesame crew for my live streams
the the Homeboys or do you want me to mix it up?
Do you want me to do one thing one month, another thing another
month? Let me know that down in the
comments below as well. All right, so Friday card show
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video, how that went. I'll show you my pickups.
I'll show you the show. A lot of great stuff.
Got some dealer info to share with all of you so that if you
see something that you're interested in, you can reach
out. As always, I try to do that.
Couple of the better dealers hadsome really, really great stuff.
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It was it was a really good show.
All right, here we go. Question #1 this week right
here. You mentioned you might use it
and I thought you were going to in this episode, but you didn't
get there. So I want to ask again, what
happens when a grading company via AI can recognize a card that
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was graded prior then cracked and resubmitted?
Honestly they could do this withcurrent scanning technology.
PS as terms of service states they own the slab.
So if you crack it out and resubmit and they have the
ability to recognize the card, what's next?
Is it the end of unbiased secondlooks?
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Because now they will know what their prior grade was despite it
being returned without the original slab.
OK I mean this seems like a great point.
It, it seems like a logical thought if, if you have taken a
card and you've sent it to PSA and PSA has scanning technology,
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they have told us that they scanevery card and they identify
every card 'cause every card is slightly different.
There's slightly, you know, different variations in the
paper that is used, slightly different, different textures
and, and things it and they create basically a, a
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fingerprint is, is how they describe it at PSA of each card
that comes through. So if a card is submitted and
then resubmitted, they're able to identify it.
Now the the cards that are serial numbered, really easy,
really easy to know if that has been submitted before.
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That is all in their database. So if they wanted to look up a
card and say, Gee, this number 9out of 25 of this refractor card
has already shown up and we gaveit an 8, so why grade it again?
We'll just give it an 8 because we know it's an 8.
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So thanks for the donation on the money.
But it's an 8 just like it was last time.
That's what a lot of us would think.
But remember, remember a couple of things.
First, PSA is in the business ofmaking money.
And so PSA is not in the business of suggesting that you
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not resubmit a card. If if, if that if you knew that
that card got a certain grade and it had no chance of ever
again getting a different grade,you wouldn't resubmit it, which
is bad for business. Now businessmen want repeat
customers and I, I mean, I thinkthat that's part of it now again
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that you would say, but wait, ifit got an 8 last time, should
get an 8 next time. And if we evaluated it once
before at an 8, then they shouldjust look it up and give it an
8. But remember, the the heads at
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PSA had said many times that there are ranges in how the the
grading falls. There are there are standards,
there are there are ranges, there are, you know, opinions of
particular graders. So they even readily say
themselves. They say that a card won't
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necessarily get the same grade each and every time.
Doesn't mean it's necessarily going to get the same grade
because it's again it's a graders opinion and there's
ranges and standards so it couldgrade something differently.
Just because it got APSA eight the first time doesn't mean it's
always going to get APSA 8. It could get a nine, it could
get A7, it could get a 7.5. South, one of the reasons now a
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lot of people would say that is that's not OK, that's not OK,
that that's the case, but it's the case.
And one of the reasons it's the case and one of the reasons I
think they're OK with it is because it allows people to
resubmit. If the same card got the same
grade every time, that would probably be the best thing for
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those of us in the collecting community because we would know
that that's the grade and and they stand by the grade.
But that's not good for business.
That's not good for business. Now, a lot of us, and you know,
I've been harsh on PSA, you know, and and I know I just got
three thumbs downs in the comments because of what I just
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said. That's fine, congratulations.
But my thought is this to a certain extent seems reasonable.
It seems reasonable that it would be a different grade.
The problem is that us in the card collecting community has
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put so much value on the grade that people are willing to pay
significantly more or less depending on the grade, even the
same card. That's, but that's on us.
That's not on PSA. So let me just give you an
example. So high school students take AP
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tests and AP tests are basicallyyou take a class in high school,
it's sort of like an honors class.
And then at the end you take a test.
And if you perform well enough in the test, then a lot of
colleges will give you college credit for having that
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knowledge. And it'll be like you took the
class in college. And if you perform below that
grade or that that threshold of depending on the college,
depends on the threshold, could be a three, could be a four to
five, depends on the college. Long story short, if you do
really well, you can get collegecredit.
If you don't do really well, youwon't get college credit.
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Now there are teachers all over the country that will go to 1
central place. Like for example, for a long
time, I think the one of the history AP testings was done in
Louisville. So in Louisville, KY, all these
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teachers who are trained on how to evaluate this test, they go
to this one place, they all grade tests for like 3 days.
Isn't it possible that one teacher who's grading an essay
might say, this is only worthy, this essay is only worthy of A2,
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but this other teacher, if they had gotten it, they might have
deemed it worthy of a three. Now they have rubrics, they have
standards, they have ranges. And it does seem possible that
two different people could evaluate that slightly
differently, which might make one person fall into receiving
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college credit and one person not.
But because it's kind of a, a double-blind on.
You don't know who you're grading.
You don't know which grader you got.
On average, it's probably prettysimilar, but it could be
different. So in a situation like grading a
card, it's the same thing. Again, as long as it's done by a
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human being, human beings have differences.
Now am I defending PSAI? Don't think I'm defending PSAI.
Think what I'm doing is I'm explaining that whenever you
have two different humans evaluate something, they're not
likely to come to the same exactconclusion.
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The conclusions might be slightly different.
And if I graded the same assignment from a student five
times, it's possible that one time I give it a 78% and one
time I give it a 76%. It's possible.
Then I give it a 79 one time in a 77, it's always going to be
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pretty close, going to be prettydarn close.
But it might be different enoughto fall over the threshold.
And I know that's what a lot of people say is to go.
That's the problem with grading.The problem with grading is it
could be A7, it could be a six, but the difference between A6
and A7 could be $1000. And that is the problem.
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But whose fault is that? Isn't that our fault?
Isn't that the person who goes? I'm willing to pay way more for
that one because it got a 7 thanthat one that got a six.
Now the part where I get a little sketch is when there's a
card that gets a four and then it gets sent back in and it gets
A7, or vice versa, the same card.
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The grade changes a lot. That's where I am like, but I do
kind of understand why A8 might become a nine or a nine might
become an 8. That seems reasonable when human
beings are doing it. So I don't know have was I just
hard on PSA or was I easy on PSAI?
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Think I was a little bit of both.
Was I hard on the card community?
At the end of the day, the, the,the moral of the story is the,
the grade is one opinion and thegrade is not the rule of law.
It is not a fact that that's it.That is the, that is the whole
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point of what I'm saying. The grade is not a fact.
The grade is an opinion. Which by the way, yesterday
episode 2 of Surface Issues withmyself and Mike Junkwax Hero
posted on YouTube. The audio version on podcast
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formats posted on Saturday. Thank you to everyone who has
been supporting us on that. And we talked about what's the
difference between fact and opinion?
Is A7 in PSAA fact or an opinion?
I declare it to be an opinion. This one says I wanted to test a
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theory with you. Love to hear your thoughts.
Do you think there is a difference between a sports fan
who collects cards and a card fan who follows sports?
Just a theory. There is absolutely a
difference. There's absolutely a difference
between a sports fan who collects cards and a card
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collector who likes sports. There, you don't have to.
I mean you don't. Kevin O'Leary.
Kevin O'Leary was part of that group that bought the big Kobe
Jordan card. If you told me he never watched
basketball, I'd believe it. Now, is he a card collector?
Is he a card investor? That's a whole another thing.
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I'll use myself as an example. I watch my Niner games.
I love watching my 49er games and I don't have many 49er
cards, not at least of the modern players I don't have.
I don't really have many Brock Purdies.
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I don't. I mean, I don't have many
Christian Mccaffrey's. Maybe I should, maybe I should,
but I don't. So I am a sports fan of my
49ers, but I don't collect theircards.
I also collect cards of guys that have never watched play.
I like hockey. I don't watch much hockey,
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although playoff hockey is fantastic, but I still want a
Mario Lemieux rookie card and a Wayne Gretzky rookie card.
But I don't watch hockey. But I want their cards.
So I don't think you. You definitely don't have to be
a sports fan to like sports cards.
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My buddy Dylan Double D, he readily admits he, he rarely
watches baseball anymore, but hecollects modern baseball cards.
He collect, he has a whole bunchof Aaron Judge carts, but he
doesn't watch baseball cards. I've been talking about Dylan a
lot lately. Maybe I should have Dylan on.
Dylan, you got to come on soon because we've been talking a lot
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and and I've been talking about you a lot.
So we should, we should talk, weshould get together and, and do
a video soon on something. I don't know what, but but Dylan
doesn't watch a lot of baseball,but Dylan collects baseball
cards. So there are also people who are
huge fans of their team and theycollect Keith lonely basement,
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lonely basement baseball cards. He collects Yankee cards and he
follows the Yankees closely. Mookie.
Mookie follows Mets game super closely and he collects cards.
So is there a difference? There is a difference.
I don't think either way it's mutually exclusive.
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You don't have to collect cards to be a sports fan.
You don't have to be a sports fan to collect cards.
Is there a difference? Yeah, I I suppose there's a
difference. There are some people who are
really avid fans of their teams and they're avid collectors of
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the players of their teams, and there are other people who are
avid collectors but don't reallyfollow it that closely.
I think I answered the question.I believe that it's both.
You could be either. I don't think it's the same
thing. I think that it could be
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different. This one states another
fantastic episode. First, thank you for answering
my question from a couple weeks ago.
Right now my biggest fear in thehobby is all this talk about
stricter standards in PSA grading vintage cards.
And I'm already seeing the results of this.
New collectors coming into the hobby wanting to buy vintage
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cards but can't trust that the grades are accurate in old slabs
and feel that only new slabs canbe trusted.
Most new collectors don't have the experience to judge a card
on their own and hearing and seeing all this negativity about
old slabs is causing a divide between the same grade that's in
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my opinion only going to get wider.
Your thoughts on this I would like to know.
So I totally respect what you'resaying.
I totally respect that you say. My biggest fear for the hobby is
that nobody can really trust grades as much because old
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grading standards seem to be easier than current grading
standards. Some grading standards seem to
at times change, like even the published grading standards have
changed. Things are clearly kind of a
moving target. And I understand where you're
coming from because what gradinghas.
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One of the things that grading can do is it can protect a
novice collector because the novice collector doesn't know
necessarily. That card is mint, that card is
X mint. I literally have some friends
who I who aren't really card collectors or or at least not
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active card collectors, and I'llshow them a card that I pick up
in like a four and they'll go, man, how's that not a 10?
And I'm like, well, there's a lot of reasons why it's not a
10. So through a, a, a novice eye,
through the eye of a person who is just kind of casual about it,
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they don't see the the little details that might separate a
super high end card from a mid grade card.
And what grading, one of the things that grading I think does
do is it does to at least some extent protect those people.
But we went from the Wild West for years where it was all about
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knowledge of condition. Like it was, it was the people
who knew condition had tons of power over people who didn't
know condition. And if you didn't know condition
and you didn't trust your own eye, you probably were just
like, oh, I, I thought it was nice.
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I I guess it's not nice. Oh, oh, that little thing right
there, like that's not supposed to be there.
So what grading did is it took it from the Wild West to where
there's at least some policing of it, and it's not really
policing of it. But what happened was I think
that the pendulum swung all the way from the Wild West to the
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opposite where it was like authoritarian.
It was like A7 is a 7 is a 7A6 is a 6A6 is never as good as a
7A7 is never as good as an 8A3 is clearly inferior to A5.
And I feel like we went from theWild West where it was all kind
of like nobody really knew unless you knew.
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And then it went to, well, they told me so.
So that's a fact. And like I just said a second
ago, a grade is not a fact. A grade is an opinion.
So I think we went from this thing where there were no of
outside third party opinions. It was just completely up to the
two people involved in the deal to we introduced a third party
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opinion which I think in my opinion brings some value in.
Some people are super anti grading.
I think grading provides some value, but what grading does,
what grading really does is grading is an opinion and
grading is a data point. It's not the data point.
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It is not the end of the debate.It is one opinion in the debate.
So I hear what you're saying about you fear it.
Your biggest fear for the hobby is that grading standards are
not as trusted. I actually kind of feel the
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opposite. I actually feel like what
happened was collectors and dealers had all the power before
and the the knowledgeable collector had tons more power
and the less knowledgeable collector had very little power.
That's how it was that we gave all of the power to the grading
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companies. We just handed it over.
We said whatever they say, whatever they say goes.
Oh, they said it's an 8. I guess it's an 8.
So we should charge 8 prices. It's they say it's an 8.
Well, there's there must not be a mistake, but over time and
what and say what you will aboutsocial media, say what you will
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about YouTube, say what you willabout, you know, different
people in the hobby sharing experiences and things.
But what I think one of the one of the biggest benefits of of
the hobby community being connected like it is now, like I
am sitting here in Sacramento and you could be watching this
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from across the world by sharingopinions, by sharing evidence,
by sharing experiences, what we now have done is we have taken
the power back and over time, what has happened over time is
enough. People said, man, this card got
a six that has writing on it. They made a mistake.
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Oh, look at this. This card was a 4I cracked it
and resubmitted it. Now it's a six.
Oh, look at this. I had it in an 8.
I cracked it and resubmitted it.Now it's a 5.
What that what all of that research, and that's basically
what it is, is it's research. What all of that research has
done is it's LED everyone to realize that the grade is not a
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fact. It's just an opinion and by
being an opinion it gives us thepower.
Back when people believed the grades were a fact and not an
opinion, all of the power was held by them.
So what was happening is if if you were able to get that card
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in a high grade, it was worth more 100% of the time.
And what has happened now is people go this is a 5, but this
is a really low end 5. This is a old grade 5.
And this five over here, this 5 is a really nice five that is an
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undergraded 5. So these two fives are no longer
the same. That to me is a movement that is
good for the hobby because what happened was we handed all of
our power. We just took all of our chips
and pushed them to the center ofthe table and said, whatever you
say, grading companies. And now what we've done is we
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say, well, thanks for your opinion.
It's like going to the doctor and the doctor saying, I got bad
news for you. You have a brain tumor and you
go, I'm going to get another opinion.
And then you go to the other doctor and they say, I don't
know what that guy was talking about.
You don't have a brain tumor. How is that possible?
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How is it possible that one could say I do and the other
could say I don't? Well, because unless you're
physically looking at the brain tumor, it's just an opinion.
The same thing with cards. They I like third party
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opinions. I believe, I believe that SGC
and PSA and BGSI believe that has helped the the the hobby
grow because it gives an opinion, a third party opinion
to a person who may not have a real strong knowledge base of
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what the actual condition of a card is.
It, it kind of helps educate them on the approximate range of
the quality of the card. But now that we've been able to
share experiences and we've beenable to share our thoughts and
our opinions and show, look, this is what happened when I did
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this. This is what happened when I did
this. This card sold for this, this
one sold for this. We've started to take the hobby
control back and that is where it belongs.
The hobby belongs to the people and the control of the hobby
belongs to the collectors. And I believe it's a good thing.
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I do believe that. And, and to your point about
some new collectors not knowing that they're all different,
that's one of the reasons I keepbeating the drum, the dead, the
horse is dead and I'm just beating it, beating it with
things about grading. And the reason why is because
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there are always new people showing up.
There are always collectors who aren't fully convinced yet.
I think when there's evidence topresent that the grade is an
opinion and not a fact, I believe that that is an
opportunity that we want to, as advocates of the hobby, of
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ensuring the health of the hobby.
I think it's important that we continue to share that.
I'm not going to sit here and say that grading is the evil
empire of a card collecting. I don't think that.
I think it brings a lot of good,but it also has some bad
components to it. And when there's good things
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that are happening or bad thingsthat are happening, I want to
share it so that when those people are coming back into the
hobby or entering the hobby, there's a place where I they can
say, oh, OK, so it's not a fact,it's an opinion.
That's always my goal. And that gave us control back.
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This one says, hey Greg, question for a future episode.
If you were to pick anywhere in the United States to live based
solely on the card hobby, where would you pick?
What would be the determining factors in that choice?
Access to card shows easy proximity to fellow YouTube
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creators. Thanks and I look forward to
your answer if you decide to share.
This is a fun question and I would say I, I first read this
question like Friday, and when Iread it, I've thought more about
this question. For whatever reason, I've
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thought more about this questionthan any question I've gone in a
while, which says I don't know what that says about me.
I, I went to a card show with mydad over the weekend, which I
mentioned earlier. And I have a tradition that
whenever I'm driving to or from a card show with my dad or with
myself, I call Mookie Chilson. I tell him how it went.
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And I was talking to Mookie on Saturday and I said, Mookie,
we're doing this show. This is what's going on.
And he said, I am driving with Sammy Thunder on Sunday to the
Philly card show. And I was like, now I'm jealous.
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There are so many shows that happen in the Northeast.
There's the, you know, East Coast national, there's the
Philly show that, you know, strongs Villas in that area.
There's Fanatics Fest, which even though I'm, I, I would
still be interested in attendinga Fanatics fest.
There's, you know, you guys knowthem all where they're, they're
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always up there. There's always a show going on
in the, the Northeast. A lot of my hobby friends live
in the Northeast now. I have hobby friends that live
in other places too. You know, people say, oh, you
and Petty both live in California.
Petty is a 7 hour drive from me.Yes, he is in California, 7
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hours away. And you know, I have friends in
Texas, I have friends in Colorado, I have friends in
Florida, I have friends in the Carolinas, I have friends in
Pennsylvania. And you guys know where you
live? So if I were to pick a place to
live, I would want to live near where some of my friends live
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and central to where a lot of the shows are.
I actually think the Pennsylvania area especially
kind of like Eastern Pennsylvania is probably a
pretty good spot because it's not crazy far.
If you wanted to go to Chicago, where the National is a lot,
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it's not that far from Strongsville.
It's not that far from Cleveland, which sometimes hosts
the National. It's not that far from Shriners
or, or you know, the Fanatics Fest.
It's it's obviously right at thePhilly show.
So I kind of think if, if I would, I would really choose, I
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think Eastern Pennsylvania, if Ihad to pick a place.
I also have several guys that are in the hobby that I really
like that live in the Philly area.
So if I would be able to run into them or hang out with them
even. So that's probably what I would
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choose. Now I have a few guys that I'm
really good friends with, not just card friends, but really
good friends with who are also card friends that live in that
area. That part of me would say, man,
it'd be really fun to live in the same town as, you know, Tony
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Southern Collector or Mookie Chilson or Darren Return to
Collecting, I mean to name a few.
There are a lot more guys that I'm also good friends with, but
part of me is like, it'd be really fun to live in the same
town as Sam. But from the card collecting
thing being central to a lot of those shows and not horribly far
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from where a lot of these same people live, that'd be pretty
cool. So I'm going Philly and finally
this one says question. I know you don't give out
investment advice, but I thoughtthis would be a fun question to
ponder over. If you were going to invest in
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potential Hall of Fame football players cards and you thought
they would go up in value once they're voted in, which players
other than the obvious Brees, Brady, Mahomes, Fitzgerald, JJ
Watt, Aaron Donald, would you invest in?
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What other players cards do you think will be logical Hall of
Fame inductees and would likely have good investment potential?
All right, I have many thoughts about this one.
First of all, I wouldn't, I wouldn't invest in football
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cards of guys who aren't in the Hall of Fame where I think them
making the Hall of Fame would make them go up in value.
I, I, I wouldn't do that. Now I have been to the Baseball
Hall of Fame. I have been to the Football Hall
of Fame. There are way more guys in the
Football Hall of Fame that I don't know who they are than the
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Baseball Hall of Fame. I feel like the Baseball Hall of
Fame is more of a big deal than the Football Hall of Fame.
Now, both of them are obviously a big deal, don't get me wrong.
But if you may get into the Baseball Hall of Fame, that is a
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club where most people know who you are.
And in the Football Hall of Fame, because there's so many
different positions that do so many different things.
I mean, baseball, a lot of whether you make the Hall of
Fame or not, like a overwhelmingamount of it is as a as a player
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is how you hit and as a pitcher,how many stats you compiled.
Well, stats for hitters too. It's not so much if you're a
second baseman versus 1/3 baseman.
It's like, oh, this guy was a better, a slightly better third
baseman. There are a lot of really good
defensive players that aren't inthe Hall of Fame a lot.
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Omar Visquel, I mean, Greg Nettles, I mean, there are a lot
of Keith Hernandez, Don Mattingly, There's some really
good defensive players. So ultimately it's about stat
compiling as hitting and stat compiling for pitching.
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That's kind of like what makes you in the Baseball Hall of
Fame. And, and I'm getting off the
rails, so let me pull myself back in.
So I wouldn't do it because I feel like if you are in the Hall
of Fame as a football player, itdoesn't suddenly make you way
more relevant or in a club that is clearly separated from the
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others. I feel like in baseball, if you
aren't in the Hall of Fame and then you get in, you're like in
this club that is just different.
So I don't see somebody in football who's not in the Hall
of Fame. Like I love Roger Craig.
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Roger Craig was my guy growing up and he absolutely should be
in the Hall of Fame, but he's not in the Hall of Fame.
So if Roger Craig were to make the Hall of Fame, would his 84
tops rookie card surge in value?No, it wouldn't.
It just wouldn't. It would give him another thing
to inscribe on on on an autograph, but it wouldn't make
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his card surge. It wouldn't be a game changer
for his collectibility. Ultimately with football, and I
don't really like this so much about football card collecting,
but it is so much about the quarterback.
It is like the quarterback. Then there's like a big drop off
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and there's like wide receiver running back and then it's like
that maybe tight end. I mean, there's some incredible
linebackers and lineman and safeties and cornerbacks.
The cards aren't worth Jack. So I wouldn't invest in a player
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thinking well, I wouldn't investin I, I wouldn't I wouldn't
invest in cards of guys who aren't are already in the Hall
of Fame. I personally don't invest in
cards. I just buy cards and then hope
they go up. Now back to your question.
You listed some, so I'm going toanswer the question, but I
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wouldn't do this. I'll answer the question because
I'm, I'm not going to just avoidit.
You listed some names you you listed like Mahomes and Aaron
Donald and and some some other guys.
So my thought is which players that you didn't list and aren't
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in the Hall of Fame do I think have their cards have a good
amount of potential? Well, the person you didn't live
there. There's one that kind of jumps.
I mean, someone was there was something about Eli Manning.
I think you, you mentioned Eli Manning in the question.
I, I wouldn't go out and buy a bunch of Eli Manning cards
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personally. Again, it, it's not always
about, did you win a title? It's not always about your
stats, 'cause there are a lot ofplayers, a lot of stats.
I mean, Dan Fouts has incrediblestats and he's in the Hall of
Fame, but it's, he could buy, hecould buy his rookie card for
cheap, right? The guy who I think has a lot of
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upside potential in football cards and isn't in the Hall of
Fame and wasn't on your list. I would have said Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers is is and was really good, really good.
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And Aaron Rodgers is is a guy who a lot of people are aware of
and but part of Aaron Rodgers thing is, is he's.
He's a little different and because he's a little different,
I think he's alienated a lot of people.
And so because he's alienated a lot of people, I don't know what
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his long term card values are going to do.
They definitely have some value and there are definitely a lot
of Aaron Rodgers fans, but I don't know if people are going
to look back and I don't know what he's going to do when he
finally retires or say culturally that could make him
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his Cards values a little unstable.
But Aaron Rodgers is an all timegreat quarterback and Aaron
Rodgers is extremely well known.And Aaron Rodgers played on some
really good teams, multiple MVPS.
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So I wouldn't invest in Aaron Rodgers.
But of the people that you listed who I think their cards
could have a good amount of value, I'd probably say Aaron
Rodgers. But again, I wouldn't do that.
I'm not. I don't do investment advice
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because I that's just not the lens through which I view the
hobby. I had a dealer.
Side note, I had a dealer at theshow this weekend, really good
guy, met him like 3 years ago, really like running into him.
Super positive guy, great guy. And he's mostly a modern guy and
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mostly modern like basketball, some other stuff, but a lot of
modern basketball. And he said, hey, I'm really
thinking about going heavy into vintage for for like long term
holds. Who do you think is a good long
term hold in vintage? And, and I shared my opinions.
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I was like, well, I kind of think these car, he was like,
give me 5 cards that are good long term holds Give me.
And then I, I kind of went through my list and he goes,
well, give me 5 more. And I kind of went through my
list and I was like, I'm not saying you should invest in
these, Like I'm not, this is notinvestment advice, but I, I gave
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some thoughts on it anyway. All right, that said, if you
have a question for an upcoming episode down below in the
comments, leave it. Thank you to everyone on Monday
for coming to Midlife live #9 and Friday.
Remember the card show video with some pickups?
It was a good show. Won't be a super long video, but
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I definitely took some footage and I'll be sharing some
information of some of the dealers if you want to reach out
to them. So look forward to that on
Friday.
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