Zagging Against Eye Appeal? Has It Gone Too Far? Turn Back The Clock With DoubleD Vintage Baseball Cards & Splendid Sports

Dylan and Adam return to the Sports Card Clubhouse for another episode of Turn Back The Clock. Massive card pickups, eye appeal hot takes and hobby rants galore!

Episode Transcript

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Turn Back the Clock, another
episode here with my friend. Adam, Splendid sports, Adam,
How's it going today? Pretty good, man.
Hey, Dylan, I, you know, I just realized when we jumped on here,
I'm getting paler and you're, you're getting Tanner.
I think since I moved back to the Northeast, I was used to
having a little bit of a tan, you know, living in Arizona

(00:21):
before. Now I'm looking at myself.
I'm looking more pale here as the weather is getting cooler in
the Northeast. So I got to get used to that.
Well you must be getting ultra pale because I haven't surfed in
30-4 days, the longest stretch. Of not surfing.
For me, in at least eight years since I blew my knee out so.

(00:41):
I haven't been. At the beach I've been staying
clear 'cause it's kind of heartbreaking to go to the ocean
and I can't even swim right now anyways.
So yeah, you must be getting real pale 'cause I'm pretty pale
for myself so. That's it.
That's we're in October here. It's been good weather back here
though, but I just don't get as much sun as I used to these
days. So what would before we get

(01:03):
started, is there any timetable on when you can go surfing again
or is it just like to be determined?
To be determined my my muscle doesn't work on my right side.
None of this works. And it's in a lot of pain.
So to be determined, pinched nerve.
So, yeah, well, all right. So tonight.
Guys. We got some fun topics to talk
about and some cards to share. I'm going to give you guys the

(01:29):
list of the rundown of what we're going to talking about so
you guys can look forward to what's coming.
So the first thing we're going to do is.
Adam's going to show some cards that either or pickups or cards
that he was really just been focusing on and looking at or
cards he's never shared. Cuz I know he's not really
picking up cards. So I just wanted to talk to him
about what he's been, you know, cuz some of us, we spend time in

(01:50):
certain binders more than othersare looking at certain cards.
So that's round one. I'm going to share some cards,
some pickups that I've been focusing on.
And then the. Third round is kind of the big
one and we're going to talk about I appeal stickers.
Has the price gone too far? For the gold.

(02:11):
Stickers. Has it not gone far enough?
Is there more room to run? We're going to really.
Dive into that topic. Because it's one that's really
close to my. Heart because of the whole.
I appeal thing I've been going on in the last three years and
the centering. Thing and that's all inclusive.
So I really am excited to talk about this.
I know this, you know, we talkedabout, I appeal a lot, but.

(02:34):
This is going to be a little. Different this is going to be a
lot of value based I appeal versus you know what's going on
right now. The whole movement with these
stickers I'm excited to talk about.
And then the final. Round if we get to, if we had
time, it's going to be what really.
Grinds my gear so. Adam will have a take at it.

(02:54):
You know, whether it's a rant orjust.
Something that's been bothering them, something in the hobby
that he's. Been on his brain and I'm going
to likewise do one. We'll keep them to a minimum,
but have some fun with it. Shout out to, you know, Tony
Southern collector and Mike. They do this at the end.
They always do 1 and. I've always wanted to do what

(03:16):
really grinds my gear from the Family Guy episode for years,
but I've never had the heart to like to really lay into it.
But I think we're going to. We're going to have fun with
this one, so. Let's dive right in, Adam.
What have you been up to with the car collecting world right
now? Yeah, so I mentioned before to
you that I was taking a break and I I've stuck to that.

(03:38):
Now I do have some big pickups I've never shown, but I promise
these were picked up before I took my break, right?
So you know how I go I'll, I'll pick up like big cars, but I'll
just let them sit for a while without showing anyone or saying
anything. I just kind of want to keep it
to myself and then at some pointin the future I, I like to show
what I picked up. But so these, these are massive

(04:00):
pickups for me, like big pickups, 2 of them and I haven't
shown them out here on YouTube. So they were picked up before.
I think when I when I started taking my break, it was like
maybe July or I don't know end of July or something like that.
So it's been a couple months, but I haven't bought anything
big and I don't plan to for the rest of the year at least you
know. So let me show the first one

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now. Well.
Put yourself on big screen. OK, see it up close.
So I got to take it out. It's in a little plastic thing
here and I take it out. There we go.
Yeah, I'll put it. Put it on Solo here all right,
so as you know, I like to collect Tom Brady cards.
I did a run where I have all 44 of his base rookie cards.
So was happy to complete that, but I always had to stop my head

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like I'll never have his best card, right, because it's Tom
Brady and it's kind of like Michael Jordan or even, you
know, some of these other goats in the hobby.
Their their cards are so expensive that you never really
get their best card. But I think I was able to get
Tom Brady's best football card. It's not a rookie card, but it

(05:07):
is the 2002 tops his first ever game used relic card autograph
card. And this is a so is auto right
there. It's it's hand numbered for
those listening hand numbered to150.
So it was 150 of them and it's on card auto pack pulled.

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And it's the the coolest part tome is it's got an authentic
game. Use football from his first
Super Bowl, the 2002 Super Bowl 36, and you can see the Wilson
of the football there. Dude.
Again, I think this is Tom Brady's best card.
It's by no means his most expensive card.

(05:49):
He's got cards that would go for$1,000,000 or more.
You know, he's got one of one rookie cards.
But I think when you're saying aplayer's best card, it doesn't
always mean the rarest card or even the most expensive card.
And in this case, I think this is his best card because even
though his rookie year was the year 2000, Topps never made
cards of his until 2002. He didn't have any Topps cards

(06:12):
from 2000 or 2001. So I mean, it's Topps.
It's the brand first year of Topps.
It's his first game used rail card.
And the game that it was from, it was his.
He played for 20 something seasons.
This was his, you know, second season in the league, but the
first he really played and this was his most important game, the
first Super Bowl. So I mean a a game used ball

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from the from the from the SuperBowl, his first Super Bowl, the
most important game autograph. I think it's his best card.
Some people would disagree. You feel free to disagree in the
comments. I know he's got some big rookie
cards, but I think when you factor everything in, this is
his best card. So I was able to pick this up.
You know, I I forget what month,but it was back before I took

(06:58):
the break and this was one of the reasons I took a break is
because I went heavy. So hold.
On don't move past that card, I got some thoughts.
Yeah, dude, I think, you know, Ilove it.
Back. Hold on.
Let me put it back. There we go.
Sorry. I love that you say that's his
best card because IA 100% agree.I think there's a big difference
between vintage cards and moderncards.

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I think the modern hobby the modern.
Cards, you know it's. The the rookie cards to me
aren't always the main focus andI really.
Love that where vintage the rookie cards the main focus
because there's not as many and it's the first one and when you
when you find a you know, guys. Cards through the years.

(07:41):
On Modern man, you can have one in the middle of his career that
just shines beyond the other. One just looks incredibly
better. But for that card in particular,
I. Think being the 1st.
Of its. Kind the very first you say, I
guess it's not a jersey card, but relic relic card.

(08:03):
And auto. And.
First auto too. First, his first, Not his first
auto card. He's got some of those in his
rookie year, but it's his first auto relic card, you know first.
Auto relic card now that to me. Rings a bell and I don't think
that I I think the future of card that's going to be a.
Really big sticking point. I know a lot of guys are already

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into that, like Shane shoebox legends.
He loves the first of first, theparallels and when they have a
long tradition, 2001 tops being numbered to 2001.
I think that. Goes a long way.
I think that's a, that's an incredible card out of I, you
know, I'm not a football guy. But I can't really get fired up.
And I get passionate when guys like you share their football

(08:45):
cards and they they talk about things like that.
And I think that's a monumental card.
You know, I think you did well right there.
I think it's under, I mean, again, I, I bought it with the,
with the long term collecting thing, right?
Like someday we're going to sellmaybe all of our cards, at least
some of our cards. I, I hope to hold this as long
as I hold my collection, but I feel like this is a card that

(09:07):
when I do sell it someday, if I ever sell it, I think it could
be worth a lot more than I I paid for it.
I think it's one of those cards.So I saw not only did I want it
for the collection, but I also saw it as something that was a
good buy, I think, and I could see it going up a lot in the
future. So it could be a good investment
too. If that wasn't in the slab,
would you touch that football? Of course, yeah.

(09:29):
And, and actually I have, I had it.
So he, he has another card from 2004, I think that I have where
it's, it's a game used football from the same game.
So, but it no autograph. So it was a couple years later
from Don Ross and I had it and it was in a what was it SGC slab
or something like that. When I bought it, I cracked it
out and I, I, I felt the football.

(09:53):
Yeah. I'm like, I want to touch a
football from that, that game. You know what's funny?
I put it, I posted this on Instagram and there's a guy on
Instagram called Patrick Ryan P Ryan collection.
He's a, you know, he has a big collection, he's a heavy
collector and he he has a copy of this card too.
And he agreed that it's his bestcard, Tom Brady's best card.

(10:14):
But one of the things he mentioned and I didn't really
think too much about. I I like the design on the card,
just the, the, the red, white and blue in the background and
everything. But what he he mentioned is
it's, it's got a it's like a post 911.
This game 2002, it was like a few months after 911, like four
months or five months in the, inthe Patriots, the Patriots after

(10:34):
911, it was like a very symbolicthing.
And that Super Bowl, they designed that whole Super Bowl
to be very like patriotic and everything based on 9/11 and U2
played half time the Super Bowl.It was just like, it was a very
meaningful game for a lot of reasons for not only the
Patriots, but just kind of a, a different, different vibe at

(10:55):
that game. And the New England sports scene
changed forever after this game,too.
I'm, I'm talking, I'm one of those people who believes the
Red Sox never would have won theWorld Series in 2004 a couple
years later if the Patriots didn't win this game.
I'm telling you that the whole area was just negative, right?
Like we hadn't won anything in forever.

(11:16):
Everyone always expected something bad to happen or
nothing good to happen. And this game changed the whole
mindset. I'm telling you, everyone all of
a sudden was like positive think, oh, we can win, we can do
it, you know, And Tom Brady was the reason for that.
I, I believe he was the biggest reason.
And after that, next thing you know, the Red Sox win and they
keep winning and the Celtics winagain and the Bruins and the

(11:37):
Patriots win five more Super Bowl.
So it changed everything this game.
So for me, it was just I had to go for it.
I had to get this one and yeah, I so happy to get that that
card, man, but I'll I'll let yougo now.
No, I. Want to see?
I want to see your next one you wanted.

(11:58):
Me to go again OK, yeah, go again all right well, this is a
I'll just do this quick, but I'mnot going to go solo because
everyone's seen this card right.This is the 1960 Topps Mickey
Mantle base card. I just I was looking at this
card to your question like I feel like this is a Mickey
Mantle card that doesn't get as much publicity as some of the

(12:20):
other ones. I I don't I don't see this that
much like people showing it off and stuff like that and I've
always loved it. This is one of my favorite
mantle cards. I just love the design.
I just always love this card, the colors, the logo put.
Yourself solo, Adam. I wanna see.
I wanna see that centered beauty.
I will. It's pretty, it's pretty
centered. It's it's a it's a good grade,

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but not not the most centered, but it's good.
It's a good one. I don't know.
It really does the. Colors on that it just screams
Mickey Mantle and New York Yankees and.
Yeah. The 1960 tops, Mickey Mantle, I
personally, that's one of my favorites.
And again, it's not the one you see when people pick up a
mantle. You don't see the 60 tops that

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much. But for me, it's always been one
of my favorite designs. So I've been thinking about that
car lately. I wanted to show that one.
And then the last one. Again, this was picked up before
I took my break. This was one of the last ones I
picked up. And again, the card I've wanted
for years and it is the 1967 Sandy Koufax Retorado.

(13:28):
And let me tell you something, Iwas not planning on getting this
card yet I was. It was one of the cards that I
had on my long term list. But when I saw this copy pop up,
it's a 1.5 SGC for those listening.
It is the one of the nicest fronts that I've ever seen in my
life. It's it's centered, there's no

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paper loss. The colors are just fantastic.
It was like the perfect copy forme.
And I just said I got to get this one because if I'm going to
get this card, this is the one I'm getting now on the back
because it's it's got a little paper loss.
It's a 1.5. These are in albums in
Venezuela, but I said I'm getting this one.
So I finally added this card to the collection and I have to

(14:15):
mention that James Elite Hunter,because when I started doing my
three and three series, he was one of the, I think he was maybe
the 4th or fifth one that I did it with.
And this was one of his cards onthe list.
And I honestly, I did not even know about this card before he
came on on my channel. And, and right when I saw it, I
in my head, I said, I'm getting that someday I'm getting I'm

(14:36):
getting that card. It's the coolest photo I've ever
seen on a, on a pitcher card. He's got his hand wrapped around
the ball just amazing. So I, that was at least a couple
years ago, maybe three years agowhen he did that, when he when
James came on my show and here we are.
I I finally got it. So that's a major pick up for

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me. And I guess you could say it
might be saying again. Here's here's an interesting
question. Do you consider like this Sandy
Koufax's best card or is it his rookie card?
Even though there's like less than 100 of these that that are
known, but there's a lot more his rookie card.
What would you say is a better card?
What's his best card? I mean, dude, you're talking
about talking to the rookie cardmachine here.

(15:19):
Yeah, right. I mean, I just, I can't get past
his rookie card. I I think it's just absolutely
beautiful. I can't get past that.
I know. Is that card incredible?
Would I trade a rookie card for that?
Yes, because the value and the look of it's outstanding, but my
brain can't separate the tops rookie cards from, you know,

(15:42):
anything else beating them. So yeah, because my problem the.
Best card doesn't always mean it's the rarest card of the the
person's car right? So I would agree with you.
I think if someone said what's his best card it's his rookie
card. But maybe my favorite card is.
Is this 1 here? I'll tell you what, you know
what's funny out of the three? Cards you shared.
If you were to let me have any one of those cards, I would take

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that Tom Brady. I just the story he told and the
way it presents and. The football on there, like
having a youth football from that game, I think I don't even
like football. Like I barely even know what
football is. I would choose.
That card out of all of them, I think it's really sick to have
on my wall and then like my nieces and nephews come over,

(16:28):
that would blow their freaking little kids brains off their
skull, you know? I just think that's really sick.
As much as I love Mantle and Koufax, but that's pretty.
Those are some bangers at them. Those are, yeah, those are some
big ones for me. So now you understand more of
why I've been saying I need to take a break and I am taking a
break because I went, I got, I had some major pickups earlier

(16:48):
in the year. So that's why now you probably
understand that a little better.Yeah, you dropped the hammer for
sure. I dropped the hammer man.
I just, I went for it and now I'm just coasting.
Now I'm coasting. Awesome All right, I'll show you
guys just a couple of pickups and then we're going to go head
head into the topic of the night.
So if you guys follow my YouTubechannel at all, you know I've

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been really going after Japanesevintage baseball cards of some
of my favorite players, you know?
Oh, Haramoto and Shigeo. But I've also am obsessed with
certain sets and this set right here in 1961 JGA 21 Shonen

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Magazine playing cards. This is Katsua Nomura and I've
been picking up some of these cards when they pop up from my
buddy Robert Prestige. Auctions.
He has a what? Not show.
And every Tuesday and Saturday he's selling vintage Japanese
baseball cards. And this is my favorite set.

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And he had, I think, 4 differentones that I didn't know, you
know? I didn't know existed to begin
with because I never really looked up the.
Checklist or anything but this guy is number two all time home
run leader in Japan with 657 behind Satahara.

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Oh, what I mean this card is. Epic to begin with, but what?
Really blew my mind is that I have a card in my collection and
I shared this on my channel. So forgive me if you've watched
my channel, but nobody watched that video anyways.
So. I'm going to share it again.
I had this 1973 Kalbi card which1973 Kalbi is the very first

(18:44):
Kalbi set that. They put out.
In Japan, and these cards came in packs of potato chips and I
believe other food products as well, and they came one card per
pack and the set's massive like 800 cards.
Well, this card I bought at it wasn't an auction.
It was after the fact, but I hadthis in my collection, Kay.

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And what I didn't know was this guy playing catch it here.
This is Tarahara O and #1 in home runs, this guy playing
catcher is Nomura and he's the number two home run king.
In Japan and I. Already had this in my
collection so it it blew my brain knowing that I had this

(19:26):
incredible card in my collection.
I had no idea who the other guy on the card.
Was. And it just made the card I
already own. Even more special.
Like I was just. Like thrilled out on my mind
because every time I pick up a card of a different Hall of
Famer in the Japanese league from my buddy Rob or anywhere
else, I Google him, print out his Wikipedia and I learn about

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him. Well, once I realized I had
another card with him on it. So the guy in the front home run
champion O and the guy in the back behind him really special.
So stoked. So just.
Made another card extra special so there's that.
And then my next pick up. Guys, watch my channel.
This is all because of you, Adam.
You know this. My entire life selling cards on

(20:14):
eBay for. 20 years I learned that Mickey Mantle sold the best
and what I would do over the course of probably.
The after the. First like 6 years of selling
cards on eBay I realized the only cards I can actually sell
on eBay and not get addicted to holding them.
Were just base cards and just standard insert cards.
And I learned that Mickey Mantlesells across the board.

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His base cards sell for $4.00 to$5 all day long.
So over the years I bought thousands and thousands,
probably over 10,000 Mantle basecards.
And what I didn't know at the time was that Tops used Mickey
Mantle as card number 7 in. The base.
Set the only Hall of Famer, the only retired player in their

(20:59):
base set from they used them in 1996 and then they skipped some
years. I think they didn't have his
license and then they re got hislicense in 2000 and. 6 All the.
Way to 2012 and I've been collecting all the rare cards
that I have been selling, the base cards of all.

(21:20):
These years because of you. Adam, because you were buying
those base cards from me and I'mlike, who's buying these base
cards and you're getting them graded?
And I'm like, it just got me thinking like, why don't I pick
up, try and find the rare copiesof these cards?
I look, oh, I probably have fifty of these, you know, base
cards sold. Hundreds.
Of them, and this is the printing plate from 2011.

(21:44):
And this is top. Series one, this is the magenta
one of one. These were one in every 1500
packs and then you have the times 1500 packs times 660 cards
in the set. So astronomically.
Difficult card to pull and. From one of the most famous
sets. In baseball history, in my

(22:06):
opinion, because it's got the. Trout and it's got some.
Glorious cards in it and this isthe one of one.
This is the card that made everysingle card that I've been
selling all these years, and I can't tell you guys enough how
much the printing plates mean tome as a collector as I open
these up. Back in the day, they blew my

(22:28):
mind in the 2000s and I never thought to really collect them.
But now as I get them, knowing the history of they created the
original cards and there's only four of them, and not all of
them look that good. You got to be particular on
which ones you pick up. But some of them, just like this
one, looks outstanding. And I'm, I'm having the time,

(22:51):
absolute time of my life huntingthem down.
Yeah, they're just, to me, they're just for the bang for
the buck and for the scarcity. I'm the only one in the world
that can own it and it made all the other cards that exist of
that card in that set. Just baffles my collecting.
Brain. So yeah, I scored that just, you

(23:12):
know, like last month. So yeah, that's what I got for
you. I'm telling you man, I don't
know if it's a coincidence or not, but you you started showing
these printing plates on YouTube, Mickey Mantle printing
plates. I'm starting to see more plenty
printing plates all over the place now with on Instagram and
some other people talking about,you know, printing plates.
So I don't know if it's just a coincidence or not, but you're

(23:35):
always ahead of the game. Yeah, First it was the centering
and then it was the Japanese cards, and now it's the printing
plates. I you got.
Let me know before the next thing.
Let me know ahead of time. I need to know about this stuff.
I dude I I have seen a lot of printing plates lately.
I seen a guy the other day on Instagram like he's trying to

(23:55):
get all the Allen against her printing plates from 2006 I go.
I've never seen her printing plate on Instagram for years,
you know, or anywhere. And yeah, you're right, I don't
think it has anything to do with.
Me. But yeah, I've been collecting
them for two years now, Jackie. Robinson and Mickey Mantle.
And I'm starting to see big guyscollect printing plates and I'm

(24:15):
like, I'm telling you, man, likethe proofs from back in the day
were worth a fortune. You know, these are, to me
better than proofs. I mean, these are these made the
other cards and there's no exception to.
It there's only four. Different colors.
They've produced all the cards. So yeah, ultra special.
Who knows if they're going to beworth anything more in the

(24:36):
future, but as a collector, it'sreally special.
So OK, all that said, let's rock'n'roll into the topic of
the night I want to talk about. And it's not just I appeal guys.
I know that gets beaten with a dead.
Horse. I'm talking about stickers, so I
know PWCC has always had stickers and you get them.

(24:58):
For free if you send them cards even to this day, and they have
to be cards worth over I think $200 to begin with.
And they'll give you a free sticker if it's.
Deserving. And back in the day, those cards
would always the PWCC auctions would always deem more money.
And I bought a lot of cards backin the day from PWCC because
they had tons of auctions going and a lot of the ones I had had

(25:21):
bought had stickers on them. I didn't realize at the time
that's why they were going for more, but they weren't
astronomical more. They were like 10% more than
other auctions that would go on.But what I did back in the day
as I get the thing and I'd RIP the sticker off the back and RIP
the E off and I would keep the little tab so I have all the

(25:42):
tabs. You know, still.
But I just took the thing off because I go.
That's just so dumb. I got my own eyes.
I got all that. But what I see going on now,
it's, it's, it feels to me like a race to buy.
All the cards you could. Possibly buy that deserve the
stickers because if you send us,you send a card to Mike Baker to

(26:05):
get a sticker and it comes back.With a gold label and we can
dive way into this because like they're giving gold labels out
to PSA 10s, which to me is just the dumbest freaking thing in
the world. But it's working on the market.
It's tricking guys brains. PSA 10s.
You know pretty much all look the same, right?
There are differences, but for God's sake it's APSA 10 if you

(26:28):
give it a gold label. Like how much brain power does
it take to give? APSA 10A Gold Label.
And APSA 9 getting gold labels like come on now we really need
to be sending PSA. Nines and 10s to get gold labels
well. The market's telling otherwise.
And so I wanted to talk to you on your thoughts.
Have we gone too far? I know I get.

(26:50):
Before I'm done talking, I'm going to take a couple opinions
that I hear all the time. A lot of guys think that it's
like we're getting into like a sticky situation where a 4 is
now worth more than A5 or worth as much as a six.
I don't think it's a. Sticky situation and I don't

(27:12):
think we're going backwards in any way, shape or form.
I want to be clear to that point, I think the market is
getting smarter and I think the people buying cards are getting
a lot smarter. And I saw a card yesterday, it
was a 1950. You guys can look it up on eBay
1956. Tops Hank Aaron PSA 4 It looks

(27:34):
stunning. It was a full.
It had no sticker. OK, And I thought I go I'm going
to try and buy this card. It was at 400 bucks.
I go. Well, I think a normal 4
probably goes to 400 a normal 4.An everyday 4.
So I go man if I can get this for 500 bucks I have a 5 that's
dead centered but it didn't lookas good as this 4.
So I go, well, I'm going to look.

(27:54):
You know that thing went for over $800.00 so.
I know, I mean I don't know because I look up comps, but I
bet you you could buy us an everyday 6 for 800.
Dollars all day long. I don't care.
I don't. I think that 4 was worth the
$800. I don't care that that 4 is
worth as much as the PSA 6. It doesn't break the system

(28:17):
because we're making the system as collectors, as buyers.
We're the ones that make the cards with more, not PSA.
They might put the number on there, but we're the ones that
assign the value to them as buyers.
Somebody with using their own eyes without a sticker approved
bought that card and how I see it is the guy bought the card.
A Because it's beautiful. B That guy's probably going to

(28:39):
send it to Greg Morris and get agold label now.
Next time. Does he sell that?
He gets 1200. The thing?
That food for thought is, you know, I always say every grade,
so I say it's worth as much as asix, a 6A low grade, a low end 6
on VCP. Is worth say 600.
Bucks if you you average a high grace, say a perfect six, that

(29:04):
thing is going to go over astronomically more than
$800.00. So that's why I don't see it
being a sticky. Situation or like we jump the
shark. I don't see that.
So those are. Kind of my thoughts, I have more
but where? Where is your take with this
whole? I appeal stickers, all that
stuff. Well, I think.

(29:24):
I've. I've kind of never I've never
been like real negative on the stickers or posit.
I think it's I think it's good for a couple reasons.
One, it was always good for online shopping, right?
Like if you're it's hard, it's hard if you're like someone who
wants to go after I appeal cardsor good for the grade cards,

(29:45):
centered cards, especially with vintage, like we're talking
about a lot. You can search I appeal sticker
cards on some of these platforms, you know, so, but
it's hard without something likethat.
It's hard to you have to go through every single one, which
is takes a lot of time. So I think it is kind of a
little hack, right? Because yes, we don't need

(30:05):
people to tell us what's a good looking card.
But if you're trying to search for one and I'll tell you I I
haven't seen too many of those sticker cards that don't look
like I've, I haven't come acrosstoo many of the sticker cards
that I look at. I go that shouldn't have gotten
a sticker. That one doesn't look nice.
Most of them do look nice. Now the whole like top 5% versus

(30:25):
top 15%. I'm not sure on that.
Like I think they probably when they created that whole system,
maybe they overdid it a little bit overcomplicate.
Oh, this is got the the sticker,but it's an E on it versus an S
like 5 percent, 15%. That a little little overboard
for me what PWCC did and now fanatics is still doing it.

(30:47):
By the way, did you know that PWCC stood for Pre War Card?
Pre War Card Collector? I never knew that I.
Never. I heard that the I heard that
the other day. I was like, really?
I had no idea about that, sorry,but the tangent, but that that
just stuck in my head. So I think it's good from that
perspective. Like if you're hunting really
nice looking cards, you could search out cars that have the

(31:09):
sticker. So that's always kind of cool.
And you know, I think though it,it can be overdone, you know,
and, and maybe that's where we're heading with a lot of this
stuff, but I don't, I don't know, I don't really, I don't, I
don't have a lot of negativity towards the stickers because
again, no one's forcing people to, to send in cards to

(31:29):
stickers. And they do it for free, right?
Like PWCC, they never would charge for it.
It's not like an extra service or anything.
I think Mike Baker probably charges right for that stuff.
But PWCC and now Fanatics, when you send a card into their
vault, they'll evaluate it for free and give it a sticker.
I've had cards that I bought that I ended up sending there

(31:50):
first and they got a sticker. I didn't have to pay any more
for it or anything. So it was cool, you know, and
someday when I sell those cards,maybe I'll get a premium because
of the sticker. So we'll see.
But you shouldn't have peeled those off.
You should have kept those on there, on those cars even.
No, trust me, I couldn't believeit.

(32:10):
Well, here's the thing. So I'm like First off.
I think the. PwC stickers are way better than
Mike Baker's. I love the ESI, love the
different categories because when I do come across those
stickers, and I do, I am a guy who will go on Fanatics site and

(32:31):
click the button and look simplyat the I Appeal versions.
I have come across some that I don't think deem them, but those
are Mike Baker's. The ones I've come across that
don't deem them, so far I've been all Mike Baker's.
Why? I think because they only have
3. Tiers.
Gold, silver and a bronze I believe where I like PWCC they I

(32:54):
think they have more than three tiers.
I think they have like 4. I I like the. 15% rule a 5% to
me, my brain wraps around. So tomato, tomato.
You can disagree. I can agree here.
Agree there. Here's my problem.
Here's kind of why. I brought this up.
So I think there's an opportunity.
The opportunity is, I think. The I appeal thing is still

(33:19):
going to continue. I think those lower grade stuffs
continue to rise in value. The high I appeal cards are
going to continue to increase invalue.
Over the foreseeable future, I didn't know it was going to
happen this fast. Like when I started collecting
like that, my time frame was like 5 to 10 years before
collectors realized like centering is the way to go for

(33:40):
tops. That's the hard thing.
It's it's happened way faster than I thought.
And for me as a buyer, this is what frustrates me is that like
I see this card the other day ina 456 tops Hank that looks
cherry with no sticker and I'm going someone just paying 800

(34:01):
bucks and I don't think they gota bad deal look better than most
sevens and eights. I see any pretty much any sevens
and eights I see. I mean they're.
Like sevens and eights can look really bad.
I mean not to bring it up but I saw a mantle sell for $1,000,000
on Instagram. The thing had a print line
straight through the middle of the car.

(34:23):
You. You.
That was going to be my, that was going to be my Grinds my
gears at the end. I might have to change it up now
all. Center to all be like.
I had a whole rant prepared for that.
Oh my God, $1,000,000 I've seen fours.
That look astronomically nicer to my eyeball maybe.
A little bit of touching on the corners, but I'm not talking

(34:46):
like rounded corners. Fours look perfect.
To the eyeball like the. Corners are just like till you
get your scope out. I thought that 8 was just like.
I was like, oh. My gosh, $1,000,000 for an ugly
card, I mean. Would I take it for free?
Yeah, but I wouldn't be. Free, yeah.
Give me, give me 120 grand. For a.

(35:08):
Dead nut centered. Perfect IPO 4 all day long or
even 200. Grand 300 so I don't, I don't.
Think it's gone too far but me as a collector things have gone
too far from my wallet and what's gone too far are the
iconic cards. So me hunting.
Like I have an example. A 1965 tops Frank Robinson.

(35:33):
Dead frickin center beautiful in.
APSA 5. New Sir, The thing looks like I
just sent A7 to PWCC that was slightly off.
Centered looks good. This thing looks better.
I can still get this. I got this for $49.00.

(35:54):
OK, there's no like an ugly 5 cells for $49.00, a really good
looking 5 cells for $49.00. If I did send this in and got a
sticker, it'd probably sell for 120. 5 or something but.
What has changed is if I had a Mickey Mantle 1965 tops, dead
freaking centered. It now goes from a.

(36:18):
If it was a four, say it was a $700.00 card.
Now it's a Now it's like a $1300card.
And so my brain is struggling towrap my head around, not because
I don't think it's worth that, because I don't.
I just don't want to spend $1400on a 1965 Cops Mickey Mantle,

(36:39):
period. It isn't that I think it's not
worth it, but I don't want to buy a six that's ugly for the
same price at all. I would still rather.
Pay the big money for the good looking. 4 or whatever in all
grades. I want the best looking card but
I'm not. I just can't wrap my head around

(36:59):
now with this big gap between the big cards.
So. I have kind of gone.
Off the rails, off the tracks. And by me saying that I'm going
to be sharing some cards in the future on my channel that I
said. For.
Forget about centering. I'm going for forget about

(37:21):
centering man on these. What I just knocked off 4 cards
on my 55 cards before I die listall for the price of one card
that I you know, one card. I could have spent that in two
seconds. I went completely off the rails
because I just. Don't.

(37:43):
I'm I'm having a really hard time spending the big money on
these big iconic cards. And I really.
Want them so there is something for me to be said just owning
the card. I'm pulling a Chris from
Missouri. Like give me the card.
I still I'm going for the the best looking image on the front
I can find for the cheapest possible price so.

(38:06):
I've been saying it for a while like.
Everyone hates me, Pumping, centering, talking about
centering and all. They're going up.
I'm complaining now. They're going up too fast, too
furious. I think they have more room to.
Run. I'm glad I bought the ones I
did, but now I'm like I'm diverting course.
I'm like. It's.
Making the off center 1 so cheapon the bigger cards that I'm.

(38:28):
Starting to go after those, but.Definitely still buying the ones
that haven't. Like I just picked up a 1961
tops. Hank Aaron dead centered in a
four. I paid like a $25.
Premium then a regular 4 like a mid level 4. $25 premium.
That's no problem. I would have paid $100 premium,

(38:52):
but I wouldn't have paid a $300 premium.
I wouldn't have paid double whatthe cards worth in any grade so
they haven't caught up all the. Cards aren't caught up, so I'm
finding myself going after all the other ones that aren't big
cards and the big ones I'm just going.
I'm done. I'm not going to look for a dead
centered 53 top Mickey Mantle anymore.

(39:12):
I just. I'm going to find one that has a
good image and. Just going to check the box off.
And and that's. It so it's.
Kind of like the, it's kind of like the PSA 10 premium, right?
So like on the big cards, the, the very popular, high demanded
cards, going for a centered version of that card is like
going for APSA 10 of, of a, you know, like a modern popular

(39:35):
card. It's maybe it's not worth it,
right? And we've, we've deemed that
for, for our collections for a lot of that with the grades.
So, OK, I, I, I find that very interesting.
And you you zag, you zig, you zag, now you're zigging again
back and then you're maybe you'll zag back.
I like that you're, you're always a step ahead.
Dylan I. Don't know if I'm a step ahead
or I just I'm in my own head. So let me add one more thing.

(39:58):
These cards that I'm buying thatare off centered with good
images I'll show you well, I only have one and I'm going to
do a whole video on it. I want to be clear, I actually.
Don't think the cards that I'm buying, the iconic ones that I'm
buying that are off centered, not my normal specimens.
I don't think those are going togo up in value at all on a

(40:20):
comparison level to the dead centered copy.
So when I'm buying them, I'm buying them as a collector.
I just want the freaking cards. So whereas before, you know,
it's a marriage, right? I wanted to buy all these cards
because I have two birds to kill.
I want them to be worth more in the future and I and I want them
to look beautiful and. Have the cards all together,

(40:42):
well, these ones to be clear. I don't see a future where
they're going to be worth. Any.
More than what the actual card is worth at the time.
So say you know I bought a 48 stand mutual leaf.
The 49 leaf if that card itself goes up in value, this.
Sure, this will tag along, but it's going to be tagging along
at the. Lowest possible rate compared to

(41:03):
if I found took my time, found adead.
Centered, perfect front, perfectback, low grade or high grade,
any grade. Those ones to me will still
continue to rise. I'm buying cards.
I'm zagging without the future. Value in mind.
I'm basing the value off of the card itself.

(41:24):
If the 53 Jackie I just picked up goes up in value, it
certainly isn't going to be because the I appeal of the one
I purchased, it's going to be because the 53 Jackie one.
Whereas if you buy a perfectly center 1, you take your.
Time you spend the extra money. Those ones, to me, will continue
to go up in value in the future and rise, rise, rise.

(41:45):
I'm just not willing to pay the price on those at the moment.
So my focus is going to be on the lower tier cards with the
perfect eye appeal and wait for that premium.
And like you said, you brought up the PSA 10s like you can have
you know, a 1987 tops card of Jose Canseco and APSA 10 say

(42:07):
it's worth 100 bucks and the nines worth 50 bucks.
But say you had a a 1987 Bo Jackson and.
APSA 10 say that's worth 300 to $500.
I don't know, I'm just guessing.The pre and then the 9 is worth
$30.00 The premium doesn't make sense there right because you
you're you're getting the same quality in the Jose Canseco and

(42:30):
the rarity is the same across both cards they're from the same
set but you're paying for the BoJackson PSA 10 premium and
that's what these big iconic cards too if.
That's making sense through my words.
If, if you're, if your goal is long term collecting, if,
however, if you're 1, if there'sa lot of people now who are

(42:52):
wanting to buy cards and then sell them a couple weeks later
and make 50 bucks or 100 bucks. In those cases, it might make
sense to buy that PSA 10 for 400bucks and thinking, hey, I'll be
able to sell this for 4:50 in two weeks at a show, you know,
Whereas if I bought APSA 9, maybe I wouldn't be able to make
50 bucks. You know what I mean?
So I understand, but if, if the goal is to buy cards that you

(43:14):
want to hold onto for a long time, yes, absolutely.
And I'm, I'm in the same camp asyou.
I do want to mention before we get into our rants, Dylan, you
mentioned, I should have mentioned this earlier, but turn
back the clock is now exclusive to the sports card clubhouse
channel, right? We used to do it where it was
one on my channel 1 on your channel.
Now we're just doing clubhouse only.

(43:35):
We're doing the podcast clubhouse, sports card
clubhouse. Then we're going to be on the
the YouTube channel, sports cardclubhouse.
We still have our own channel. So I want to mention Dylan.
He mentioned he's going to be showing his pickups in the
future. We have a little different
audience over here. So if you don't already know
about Double D Vintage Baseball Cards and subscribe, go over to
his channel and he'll be showingyou the pickups he's talking

(43:56):
about here in the near future. Thank you, Adam.
All right. What do we want to we want to do
these grind your gears, Yeah. Let's do we got time.
Let's do grind our gears, man. Go ahead, Adam.
I I hope I didn't blow it for you.
No, so here's what I think I'm going to do my grind, my gear,
what was going to be the so there's APSA 81952 tops, Mickey

(44:17):
Mantle that's just sold. So it's sold at I think it was
Fanatics in an auction like end of September for it was like
$1,000,000 million, something like that $1,020,000 right
around there. And then the dealer who bought
it then I guess sold it to another broker who brokered it

(44:39):
to someone else for we don't know how much, but obviously
it's more than that. Man.
I when I again, you know, if theperson who bought that is
watching, probably not, but I apologize.
But my opinion on that PSA 8 is wow, that was one of the one of
the ugliest PSA eights I've everseen in my life.

(45:01):
Print line right through the face basically, right.
It was like, I think it was on the face like right here, print
line, diamond cut, not great centering at all for PSA 8.
And again, some people don't I guess care about that.
They're just buying that number.But I guess that I just that
that was in my head today because I was looking at that

(45:22):
card. I'm thinking I was looking at
some other PSA eights of the of that same exact card that have
sold, you know, APSA 8 will selloften times a couple times a
year at auction houses, you know, and that was maybe 1 of
the worst ones I've ever seen. And that and that sold at a
pretty high price. Not an all time high or
anything, but just goes to show you that people are still buying

(45:43):
the grade heavily. We talked about I appeal, I
appeal. People are paying up for I
appeal, but there's still a big portion of the hobby that just
pays for that number on the slab.
Well, let's also let me also saythat the hobbies learned a great
deal has come a long way becausethat exact same card sold from
what I. Heard for $1.3 million.

(46:06):
Before a few years ago, so when we're in a boom right now, like
if you if you took APSA 4. Deadnut centered and purchased
that three years ago and you sold that today at PSA 4 has
gone up at least 20 grand. OK, it's gone up astronomical if
it's a. Cherry looking so.

(46:27):
The hobbies, learning and these,these high grades, you know, the
future could be different. And, and you touched on
something that grinds my gears is like, there's a big
difference between dealers buying cards and collectors
buying cards. Dealers are trying to move cards
as fast as possible. And what's moving?
They buy the high grade because they can sell the high grade

(46:49):
right away to the next blind guythat comes along.
Yeah. And I don't think.
That was the ugliest aid I've ever seen.
I actually think lot eights eights are the older eights are
notorious for print lines, notorious for off center 7 same
thing notorious like eights. I heard it best said by.

(47:11):
Carlisle I had a 8. OC like you know it was a huge 8
OC top to bottom guy because nobody wanted that thing.
You get them for nothing. And he goes 8 OCS are 10s off
center. And I go, you're totally right
and eights can be 10s off standing as well except they
have print. Lines.
They love the print lines. It back in the day they give

(47:31):
those eights all day long all right so are you done grinding
your gears or? Yeah, actually I have my I think
we should do this every episode.Another grinding gear, my next
grinding gear. I already have it in my head.
It's gonna it's a non hobby sortof grind my gear.
So it's I got I'm already ready for the next one.
But yeah, you go on this one. No, no.
Are you got? Are you ready for that?
Yeah, I'll just go with that onefor this episode.

(47:52):
My next my next episode I'll I'll use my other one.
OK, well mine kind of sticks along the same thing like.
I nothing makes me more fired upwhen and and everybody does.
Everyone says this and I just like.
If you're an investor, if you'reinvesting by the high grade, I'm
so sick. I've.

(48:14):
Been sick of people saying that for the since I got on YouTube.
By the high grade. Is the best investment?
Oh man, it is not the best investment it's been.
It's proving itself. Right now you buy the best
looking card in any grade. The grade means nothing.
Whatever money you have, buy thebest looking card in any grade

(48:35):
and that will. Rise in the future, It's proving
itself out right now. The best looking fours.
I just say fours because it's kind of like those are kind of
like cream. Like for whatever reason, fours
and. Fives are like buttery.
Those best looking examples. Have gone up way more than the
high grade counterparts over thelast three years.

(48:58):
They absolutely have. Do I have card ladder here to
prove it? No.
Why? Because you can't even do that.
You'd have to search thousands of cards to look for those dead
nuts centered ones to see if they've gone in value.
I know just 'cause I'm in the hobby and I watch cards sell all
day long I can see it. So stop saying it.

(49:18):
I'm sick of guys brainwashing people to say high grades are
the only investment. Low grades can be investments to
any grade, not even low grades. If you buy high grades by the
best looking high grade, those will continue to rise.
If you buy a nine, please pleasemake sure it's dead centered.

(49:39):
Everything else should be cherry.
Just make sure it's centered. If it's not, don't touch that 9
to the hunt for. Bolt, you know.
If you're buying an 8, make sureit's centered.
But didn't didn't Jeff, Mr. JeffWilson came out and he said he
had all these numbers right? Like he said he had statistics
showing that the PSA 10s go up higher or have gone up higher

(50:02):
percentage wise than the other grades.
Is that is that just for certaincards you think?
No, I I I cannot deny the fact that high grades went up in the
past and skyrocketed over the. Past.
The past isn't the future. The future is different.
In this hobby, this hobby changes a lot.
We've gone through a lot of morphs in this hobby and.

(50:23):
I appeal. I know it's been around forever.
You guys yelling at me. I appeal.
It's been, I think, forever. I get it, Centering strict
centering. Eye appeal for talks has not
been around in most. Collectors.
Brains forever, maybe. The select few, maybe.
But even Doctor Beckett said nottoo long ago in a podcast.
This last couple months that he thinks the centering the eye

(50:46):
appeal movement. Will continue to be what goes up
the most in the future will continue to be the forefront of
the future and those. High grade stuff, those guys
like even me, I put myself in that category behind the
settings back in the day. You know, that was a great move
back in the day, but the great move today is to unload all

(51:07):
those ugly high. Grade old certs right now while
you still can. Well, that's what you're saying.
When you were saying that, it made me think I took a
screenshot. I'll I'll say what it says, but
I took a screenshot on my phone of a Instagram story.
If you don't follow MK sports cards MK sports cards on
Instagram, I highly recommend you follow that.

(51:30):
I, I think it's a guy, right? There's usually it's a guy in
this hobby, but I don't know. I don't know the person, but I
follow MK sport sports cards. I really enjoy the content they
put out and this is what they posted.
I'm going to say he, this is what he posted alert.
If more than 75% of the value ofyour card is tied to the grade,

(51:51):
then you should be selling that card right now.
And he, he has been saying stufflike this for a while now where
he, he thinks with AI coming andall this stuff that if, if the
goal of your collecting or you're investing or whatever it
is, if you're buying cards with the hope that they'll go up big
time in value, at least his opinion is that don't buy great

(52:12):
height. Don't, don't look at the high
grade, right? Like only don't, don't let that
be the deciding factor. And that's what he says.
If more than 75% of the value ofthe card is just because of the
grade, he doesn't believe that that's a card that's going to
continue to go up, even if it has, to Jeff Wilson's point,
maybe it has over the last period of time, doesn't mean
it's going to in the future. It's not going to necessarily

(52:34):
repeat itself. Maybe.
So I I thought of that. Mangini, I got to give credit to
Drama Mangini because, you know,I think for me he was the first
one that I heard say that the value should be in the card
itself, right? That's where the value should be
in our cards. And I know the.
Modern hobby is learning that learned that during that last

(52:55):
you know, the big the crash we had, you know, they they learned
that these these common base cards and 10s aren't the way to
go. The value should be in the card
itself, should be in the low number, should be in the good
looking vintage. Well said by that guy and and
it's going to continue that way.And anyone beating the drum in
the opposite. Direction.
Have at it. I think that drums going to be

(53:16):
beat and broken before this, youknow, in the next 10 years.
And I I. Still want to just say that the
good? Looking high, grades are
continued. To hold their ground and they're
not going to go to 0 just by by the good looking example in any
grade. Last thing I know we're coming
to an hour here, Adam. I want to make sure, again, to
clarify, these are our opinions.These are our thoughts.

(53:38):
If you disagree, put them in thecomments.
If you disagree, you, you have your own brain.
Use it. You go after the cards you want,
go after that stuff you want. If you want to go after the high
grades and completely disagree with me, it's fantastic that
it's your prerogative, but I'm on here, Adam's on here
expressing our own opinions because that's what we have in

(54:00):
this hobby and that's what makesit fun and.
Whether we're right or wrong in the.
Future. The future is going to tell us.
So there's our caveat and my want to add to this.
My last, my last thing I want tosay is if you, if you're
catching this on the sports cardclubhouse on YouTube and you'd
like to be able to watch or listen to it a few days ahead of
time. Go make sure you go to Spotify

(54:21):
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before it goes out on YouTube. So that's it guys.
I appreciate it. OK, we'll catch you guys later.

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You.