Sports Here, There, & Everywhere w/ Dick Jerardi & Mike Kern - 02/22/25 - Sports Here, There, & Everywhere

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Kyle Nunnemaker. Joining us in the everywhere portion of the
program is Dick Girardi in Minneapolis. Plenty to go through today,

(00:53):
Football in the rearview mirror. Now, it's all about college hoops,
all about Joel Embiid's knee, and of course we do
have some free agency outlook to look at for the
Eagles as well, and a legend retiring in Philadelphia basketball,
especially Big five basketball. But first of all, I need
the to do the ever aportion. Dick Girardi where in Minneapolis.

(01:15):
I guess you are in Minneapolis. What is the weather like?
What is it like there in Minneapolis?

Speaker 3 (01:21):
It's actually you get up to thirty two degrees.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Today, which is very exciting because that summer.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
That's the sailboats out here.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Where are your son screen?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah? Really it was. It was zero low yesterday, had
a couple of days ago. We got here yesterday afternoon.
So yeah, look, I love Minneapolis. Mike knows I love Minneapolis.
And we did a little Murray's Roun last night of
Billy Mignon and went over the perdeem by a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
But that's so I didn't see you as an s
car Go guy.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, I went for the s car Go last night.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Wow, surprise.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, I about that. Yeah, I know you were, Mike.
I wanted shot Mike. He was like the stuns that
I was like a French connoisseur of s gargo. But yeah,
add here added a lot of college hoop games today.
We'll get the villin over in a minute, but yeah,
I think we did. I think we need to start
with coach Dumphy announcing his retirement, only only coach to

(02:19):
coach at two Big Five schools. Well, he coached at three,
so phenomenal career thirty years. Nobody won more games as
a Big five coach, six and twenty three wins for
coach Dump seventeen NCAA tournaments nine and ten. And people
might don't remember this. He was an eight at Temple

(02:41):
and he had a hell of a run winning at
Lanticton tournaments with three in a row at one point,
So people, yeah, phenomenal, phenomenal run. And of all the
people that have ever coached played being in Philadelphia basketball,
you could say, if you're ranking him, you put coach
Douff right up there at the very top. He's one
of the best people beyond coach. Obviously a great player

(03:02):
at LASAL back in the day. But sorry to see
him not coaching. But he'll be around and hopefully he
can hand over the rings to somebody that can figure
out what's a rather large riddle at the moment.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
To me, it's the toughest job of stuff I have.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
I have some I covered Dumfin Penn so when him
and Pete Carill were going out and it didn't get
any better than that. They were two of the great ones.
But to me, there's many Dump stories I could tell.
Jimmy Lyne once said to me, totally unsolicited, the toughest
job ever for somebody replacing somebody was Fran.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Don't be replacing John Cheney. Now he said that to me.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
I didn't you know, he didn't say John Wood, and
he didn't say this guy that guy. When you think
about it, and it was the perfect choice and the
reason it was.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
The perfect choice.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
And I knew it was going to happen because him
and the Temple Ad had a relationship going back to
still took them two weeks to decide he wanted to
do it. But because Cheney signed off on it, and
Cheney respected Fran, and Cheney accepted Fran, which made it
easier for Fran to go do what he did. And
people forget he won three straight and our Atlantic ten titles,

(04:12):
something Cheney never did. Now, Cheney was trying to beat
u Mess a lot, so that had something to do
with it. But when they switched from the A ten
to the American changed everything, you know, it just did.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
It started to change.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
So if they had stayed the Atlantic ten, much like
if La Salad stayed in their conference, you know, thirty
some years ago, I think it would have been a
little different.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Fran's only problem.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
And Fran, like many of the people we covered, Dick
is a better person as great as a coach as
they were.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
There better people, and that stuff that him and Fill in.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
Particular did with coaches versus cancer is off the charts.
And for the people that don't know, they had the
second highest raising money to everybody except Jim Beheim at Syracuse,
and the amount of lives that they touched and saved
and helped over the years dwarfs anything they ever did
as basketball coaches. And you and I know the last

(05:03):
three years he basically did this as a favor to
his alma mater, trying to help them out when they
were in kind of a line. But there's only one
Fran Dumphy. And again, if he had won more in March.
If he had won I could look up like two
or three games in March that would have got him
to like a Sweet sixteen with Temple or maybe with
Penn even But he didn't. And you know what, that's

(05:24):
the way it is. It shouldn't buy anyway. And Dick
wasn't he one of the guys. I'm pretty sure it
was largely responsible for getting Lionel to LaSalle.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
That's correct. There's a famous story. You love this guys.
So Fran Dumphy and Joe Mahalick or assistant coaches at LaSalle,
both LaSalle grads under Lefty Irvin. Lefty got fired and
they decided to hire the then women's coach at Lasal
the first time it had ever happened. They hired Speedy
marsh It was the women's coach for two years, and

(05:54):
Speedy kept Joe and Fran on the staff, and they
had just about locked up Lionel Simmons, who was became
a legendary player, and they went down for a visit
to Lionel's house. I think Speedy went along so the
assistant coaches could introduce him to Lionel and his family.
And at one point Speedy says, now, now, Lionel, I

(06:15):
can't guarantee you any playing time, and they're kicking him
under the table, like what are you talking about, you idiot.
We have this guy locked up, you know, to shut up.
And Lionel started every game in his do.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
You think when Phil Martell he was getting jamiered, he
told Jamire that no, here's the ball, here's the ball.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Right, speedy thought he was back in Roman Catholic where
he could say you're going to play, you're not going
to play, And this is not that much.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
He was the greatest player in I don't know, Lasal
maybe Big Five history, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
I mean he was the only one.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
He's the only one to score three thousand points.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
He's a phenomenal player.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, And not knowing if there's any like a profound
answer to this, but he grew up. I think he
was born in Drexel Hill. He stayed here coach college basketball,
coach at Malvern Prepp. What was the loyalty I guess
to staying here, especially to all of the Philadelphia schools
and even Delco schools.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
And that's a great point because he had opportunities to
go elsewhere out of town. And he said to me
many times, he says, I'm the only coach ever that
switched jobs two different times and never had to move. Yes,
So that that's kind of cool, right, I mean he's
been He and his wife Rae, as far as I know,
been in the same house forever.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
So yeah, and what Mike said is so true. Look,
he wasn't thrilled with how it ended at Temple. I'm
feeling in reality he never said anything, but it just
it wasn't handled particularly well. And then he's working in
the business school at Temple and he's a professor there
and life was fine, everything was good. He was having
no issues and LaSalle was just crying out for some

(08:01):
help after they, uh, after the Ashley Howards think didn't
work out, and Dunk all his friends, the alums came
to him, says, look, you've got to come back. You've
got to help us. We need we need help. And
so what what's changed since he's been there. Well, they
they refurbished the gym. Uh it gives the next coach
something to hang his hang his hat on. Uh. The

(08:23):
problem is, I mean, the sounds just underfunded. They're's not
just not serious about trying to win at basketball in
that league where you're in against DCU at dating it
and these schools that throw serious money around. So there's
nothing Dunk could do about that. But yeah, that to
Mike's point, that just shows how loyal he was that
he came back. He just finished coaching. I don't really
even wanted to coach anymore, and he came back.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
Really his last year at Temple, he made the tournament.
Uh they you know, so that's something. And he's done
a fairly good job there for a team that you
know they're not.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
He had their competitive and and to your point, Mike
bet and I know people will talk about his NCAA record.
I would always say this. I think of all those
NCAA games, I think he was favored in like three. Yeah,
so he was sure. He was an underdog almost every
time that Penn had a Temple where he'd be the
eleventh seed against the six or whatever the number was.
There were only a couple out of us. I mean

(09:19):
there was one against the South.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Sward of South.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
I thought the best they ever played a couple of
You saw the win over Penn State because obviously you were.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
There, and the Kawhi Leonard in San Diego.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
That was the best game his Temple teams ever played
in the ornament. They were locked down two starters to
Kawhi Leonard and went and then the game. I think
that sticks in a lot of people's minds due two
of them, the lost to Cornell when they got thumped
and Cornell was legitimately really good.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Uh you know that that's the way he goes, well,
they looked.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
PULVERI pulverized the next game. So that's how good Cornell.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
That's how good they were.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
And they lost to Indiana when they had Indiana Beatuta.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
And they would have been in the sweets.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
I think if don't it made the Sweet sixteen twice,
which I think he could have. I think that was
because if they had beaten South Florida that year, they
were going to play the thirteen seed, which I think
was a team from the MAC.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
I can't remember which map team, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
And Mike one of his best Penn teams was the
drum Allen Matt Maloney team that ran Nebraska out and
then just played didn't have a good game against Florida,
and then the next year, in fact, there was drum Allend.
In Matt Maloney's last game, they played Alabama and Derrek
Kid at the Baltimore Civic Center and it just miss
winning the game. I mean lost by like a point.

(10:42):
It was brutal.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
Two of the best games because I covered all those
pen teams. I mean I was there for most of
those games. They played Oklahoma State first round two thousand
and three, and I'm watching the game and they're even
six or seven minutes to go even with Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
State and lost.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
Might have the big guy, I don't know. A kid
went down, he got injured. It wasn't Penn's best player,
but it was. You know, they only played six guys at.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Big Country Reeves and he was gone by then.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Okay, but somebody Oklahoma State was good. I remember talking
a thing one kid, Shiftner. I asked Shiftner a question
after the game and he says they were so fast.
He goes, you couldn't tell on some but anyway, so
Penn loses the game Oklahoma State. The next game played Syracuse.
They're winning by eighteen. Ten minutes into the game, beehives,
screw this, We're gonna play man for the first time ever.

(11:33):
They win the game and then they win the national championship.
The other game I remember was Dump's last game. I
believe it was his last game at Penn. UH six.
They're playing Texas Texas in Dabas, last game.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Of the night.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
There's nobody in the arena except the Texas fans. Everybody's left.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
It's an even game with three or four minutes. Texas
had three pros on the team.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Three pros that's what people forget the kid from Penn.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
To got the left wing. Why don't they were tired?
He misses the shot. Texas wins by four or five
or six or whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
It's all context. Unfortunate people just see the bottom line,
but forget all that legendary coaches. Mike said, better guy
friend to everybody. I haven't called because I know the.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Whole world is called. I just texted him.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
I think context works both ways too, because the context
of what Temple is now is a program and what
they were doing, I mean Temple, Temple fans and Temple
is a program would kill for what fran Duffy gave.
That just just to make the tournament is a big deal.
I don't think people considered that a big any sort
of relevancy.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
John John Jamey's in the Hall of Fame for all
the reasons that we all know about John's last five years.
They did not make the tournament. Okay, that's just reality.
Frans first year, they did not make the tournament. I
think they were five hundred, they were whatever.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
They were in.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
A row with Lavoy Allen. Then you got guys like Christmas,
I mean, pretty calif Wyatt. I mean they were good,
they were choice, they were five.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
You know, if I remember.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Michae It was funny when when Frank got the job,
everybody said, wait a second, you know, how's he how's
he going to do? And this is going to be
a lot different, And France said to he, sais quite
a second. I got scholarships for the first time. I
think I'm going to do just fine. And he did.
You I covered a lot of those games. Obviously Mike
has covered them. But yeah, I mean, he was a

(13:33):
phenomenal coach and you forget something just don't doesn't matter.
But he'll be missed in the city as a coach,
but you know he'll be around. If they were up
to me, he would be He would be the commissioner
of the Big five. He would run everything. He and
Phil could be co commissioning. I don't care, but yeah, yeah,
that's what should happen because right now there's no leadership

(13:55):
in the city. Nobody knows what's going on from one
minute to the next. And let's steal on round. He
philed up her basketball is not good, not at the moment.
We're going to get the ball over in a moment,
but it's just it's just going to be the third
year in a row, barring some miracle that not a
single team is going to make the tournament. That never
happened two years ago.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
So, Dick, do you think his resume is good enough
for that position experience that yeah, I think he still
needs to prove it.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
Dick, two things, and I want to ask you a question,
But two things. So when he was at Temple, he
went to Temple and people said to me, they go, well,
you know he's the he's an Ivy League coacher. And
they came in and they said, you know he curses
more than Cheney you practice. I said, yes, I said,
what don't you get about this guy?

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Well, just you don't get it.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Freen hated. They all hate losing. They that's wider coaches,
that's white or good at what they do. But Frean
just it was whatever. Somebody asked me this last night,
and I think I had the right answer, but I
wanted to get your opinion. Is he ever got a
chance for the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Well, here's how he would get in. It's the same
category that Speedy's in Speedy Marrises and it's the contributor category.
You know, Speedy. Speedy's got twelve hundred wins counting high
school college women. I mean, nobody actually has a resume
in the history of basketball like Speedy Marris Do's, but
yet dump for the a coaching at three different schools

(15:24):
in his own town. He was a really good player
for one of the great teams in Philadelphia basketball history.
And the coaches versus cancer, that's a contributing category.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
It's huge.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
It's one of the reasons Jim Valvando got in a
couple of years ago. He got in his contributor. He
didn't coach long enough to put up like a thousand
wins or anything like that, but obviously he won a
national title, and his enduring legacy is the be Foundation.
So that would be the category where fram would certainly
at least get a hit. The problem is Mike, because
I've been involved in trying to help Speedy get in.

(15:58):
It's so political. Uh, Jerry Kolins basically runs the whole thing.
And this year and lately, what they've been doing is
getting his NBA owner of friends in there. And I
don't know what the hell they need to be in
the Hall of Fame for it, but they're getting in
his contributors. And this year he got a guy and
who's played his whole career in Israel. I don't know
cal Brody is the guy's name. Well, he was a

(16:19):
college teammate of Colangelo's at Illinois. It just doesn't look good.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
They don't care, like what are we doing here right?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Number one time, it's very political. But yes, Dolphus certainly
should be a pat.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
I remember one time, Dick.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
I don't know when this would have been, maybe when
he was still a pen or when you just and
I said, if you took all six coaches in the city,
and because Bruiser I think was at Dreuxel then, and said,
you got to vote for one guy who's the best
coach gets the most food ever out of his guys,
but you can't vote for yourself.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
I said, frim would easily win that, because I think.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
That's how other coaches looked at him. And he had
a great story once. I'll never forget this. They ran
up at the end of the game, miss the shot,
they lose the game, whatever, And afterwards I'm talking to.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Him and he goes, Mike, let me ask you a question.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
So if we practice that play fifty one hundred times whatever,
and then we get in the game, we run it,
and we run exactly like we want to and the
shot doesn't go in.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Was it a bad play?

Speaker 5 (17:16):
And I never heard somebody explain it to me like
that before. And he wasn't trying to absolve anybody. He
was just saying, Hey, we ran the play, the kid
missed the shot, so you know it happens.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
And I always thought.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
That was a great answer. The most recent time I
saw Dom Putzels, I believe is the most recent time
I talked to him was Penn State was in Daytona
Beach and right week before Thanksgiving, well Sala is also there.
We got there on a Saturday night. Sal was leaving
the next morning, so I walked up the dumpso tell him.
Oh out with him for like an hour and just
telling stories, and we were discussing how so much of

(17:50):
the results of these games are random, Like you can
do like to your point, Mike, you can do everything right,
you can put your players in the perfect position, but
if they don't make the shot, then to go the
coach is an idiot. Well it's absurd, of course, right,
I mean the coach gave him a great play. And look,
I think at x and O's, I think he was
as good as anybody. And when he and fran O'Hanlon

(18:11):
and Steve Donoghue were all in the same staff, that
was college basketball staff as you'll ever see your one.
I mean, these guys are just absolute basketball geniuses. And
I was around some of those DUP teams. I mean,
you covered some of them. I covered some of them NCAA's.
I remember he showed me one time. He pulled me
into the locker room. He says, look at this, he's

(18:32):
showing me why Princeton hadn't gotten a back door against
them in like a decade. He had figured out the formula.
The formula was when when the player for Princeton who
was setting up the back door did a spin dribble,
that was that was the ticket for the opposite side
cutter to go back door. And Penn had figured out

(18:52):
the formula, and they never got a backdoor against them
for a decade. And it's like and they and they
kind of owned Princeton. Yeah, I was kind of amazing.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
When I would call and when Penn played Princeton back
in those days, and our seats at the Pluster. You know,
we're right next to pet Were those some of the
best games? I mean, I look had some great games,
and I'm sure you had. Saint Joe's probably had people
that they had great games with, and.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
On and on and on.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
Penn Princeton, My god, it didn't get any more intense
than that.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
And then you can check John and Kyle checked this out.
Mike and I aren a Penn Princeton game. At halftime,
it's thirty three.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
To nine Penn and we.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Leave, We leave the Pluster to go to Saint Jose
Temple and we're covering. Yeah, I mean, that's how nuts
we were back in the day. We go to games
already recovered.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
So Princeton comes back to win the game fifty one
to fifty. Uh. It was just a complete insanity. And
later on the last game of the regular season is
for the IVY League title. Penn goes up to Princeton
and runs them right out of the gym, just kills him.
And Dolf had the great line. I felt like Bill

(20:05):
Buckner on that I got another chance, you.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
Know, Dick. So when we get to the Temple Saint
Joe game that night, and Temple won Temple hit like
ninety threes and Phil looked at us and said, like,
what do I have to do?

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Game?

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Lynn Greer looks at me. We go up to that
and he goes, uh ten one right, Mike. I said no,
and he looked at me and he goes no.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
I said, yeah, nobody could believe it.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
No nobody.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
And by the Wayan O'Hanlon's name, who got into the
Big Five a fame with us. If Penn had just
hired Fran o'hanlan, if Steve had just given the job
to him, I think things would have been so much different.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
But no question, unfortunate friend history.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah, now, he did a wonderful job at LOFIA. Great
players going over on their final fourteen way back in
the day, I believe.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
So my favorite is what if scenarios was it? Was
there ever a timer? Frand Dumpy was close to going
outside of the Big Five?

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah? Yeah, and there this is. This is actually one
of the few times I ever had a disagreeing with Dump.
Now that he's leaving, I'd tell all the stories at
this point. So California, Yeah, California was looking for a coach.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I remember the story.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, yeah, and they interviewed a number of people, including Dump,
and I found out that Dunk was interviewed. I didn't
know if he was getting the job or outside called.
I said, hey, Dump, is this agery sciations? But tell writing,
you know, because I don't know if I'm getting a job.
And I said, well, how about this. How about I
write it and I just I just say that, you know,
you're involved in the job. And turned out he wasn't
going to get the job. I said, just it's okay

(21:43):
to just be involved in the job. That's not a
good thing for your resume, it says, all right, So
I write it, and I just already to knock it
was a friend was involved to interview. I think they
hired ben Baum, who ended up being a disaster if
I recall correctly, And and I tell, and I made
the mistake. And it's the only time I ever did this.
I called the office because I knew Dump was sensitive.

(22:04):
I called the office and said, hey, look, he's pretty
sensitive about this. Just in the right kind of an
innocuous headline. The headline is you know, I'm saying, hey,
Dump interviewed, You're great, he said, demand The headline is
cal interviews Comma mixes Dump and he calls me the

(22:30):
next day and he's going to fucking.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
Almost somebody somebody just Dump? Did somebody just hit you
in the parking lot?

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:42):
I mean he was. He was going nuts as you can,
as you might imagine, and he didn't talk to me
for like six months.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
I got like, I tried.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
To relate to him. Headline worked, and I don't write
the headlines, but I don't think he was vital.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
But I got like three or four of those calls
in my life where and this was before I probably
had a cell phone, and Dump would call it like
nine in the morning, kern Stump call me and I'm like,
oh god, I knew, I knew. And one of the
times he was absolutely right when he was getting when

(23:20):
Cheney left the day chain, I had to write like.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Three stories, you know. And this isn't an excuse, just
an explanation.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
It's like ten o'clock at night, I'm writing like who
can be the next Temple Coach? And I'm throwing you
and I knew Dump was probably going to get it
because I you know, I knew Bradshaw and whatever, and
I just wrote something like, you know, dumf makes this
much at pen, He's gonna make this much attend and
he he's just how can you write what I'm First
of all, you're wrong. I don't know if I was wrong,
but that's not the point. All I had to do

(23:46):
was said, hey, Dont's gonna make a lot more money Temple.
That's all I had to do. But I was comatos
at the time, and you know, I'm writing a story
and I but I was wrong, And but that's exactly
what you're doing in the morning, curb Stump call me
and I just looked at my and my wife would
look at me, and I.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Go, yeah, it's just not going to this is not
going to go well. But you know, again, if I
appear that I had appear with that few years, just
make sure that.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
If you or I needed anything right, something happened, I
could call Jay Wright.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
I'm sure I could call Phil, you could call it.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
But friend, Donty, I've said this many many times, Had
is much or more integrity than anybody I have ever
covered in my life. And I've covered a lot of
guys with a lot of integrity, so.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm don't have much integrity. Had Mike. I used to
talk to him more Temple, certainly than ten about recruits.
He would never talk about guys they were recruiting. I
know every coach talked to me about guys they were recruiting,
but because it was against the rules, he wouldn't talk
about it. And there was actually a kid, oh god,

(24:53):
Rashien Jordan. Do I have that name right? Mike ended
up on St. John.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
He was real good.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
He's a tremendous high school player, really John. And he
went to school right down the street from Temple. Think
of it. I remember interviewing him at school. I'll think
of it in a minute. But one of the public
schools Strawberry, and that's that sounds. I think it might
have been Strawberry Match, and they desperately wanted him, and
he was a hallible player. And I don't know what

(25:20):
happened when I ended up at the same chat as.
It turned out to be a disaster anyway. But that
was the only time Dunphan I ever kind of a
little bit. I wentever and do a story and I
called him, I said, hey, I does a story. I
just want to let you know here's kind of what
I'm here. And that was the extent of it. And
they ended up not getting him, And my suspicion is
because they were doing everything on the up and up
and some other people might not have been. That was always,

(25:42):
you know, I think somebody.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
Was when he coached it, nobody cared about pen recruiting
because there was no national letters of intent. There was
no We never had to question him about that. It
was just like, hey, here's who we're getting. And then
when Temple would changed a little because then we kind
of care tem Temple.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Absolutely, but yeah, we definitely wanted to start the show
with a tribute to coach. Don't Philadelphia icon, no question,
I believe it's Dun't Bust already be in the piled
up his sports Hall of Fame rights.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
He's not.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
He's you want to say he is, But again, I'm
never totally up on that stuff. I know he's not
in the drive right because he can't be right right.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
He's not the big five Hall of Fame there because
you've got to be retired a certain amount of time, which
is stupid.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
But that's Hey, how about next year, next year? Friend
in Phil him.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
And Phil Yeah, why that's good, get them both. It
ye not hard. They can they can have the thirty
second ceremony at the Welsh Road.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Don't go there, don't go there.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
And you know what, maybe if you put hey, wait
a minute, seriously, maybe if you put those two in,
maybe that gets fixed.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
That would be nice. Again, make them the commissioners, right.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
Well, that would be my first move tomorrow if I's
in charge of that time.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, make them commissioners, say, I know the dant to
start the show A big game in sass Philly to
the huge I mean playoff implications. Well, maybe not play
an implication, draft choice implicated.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
I hate this team, hate.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
Teams the standing and I never I have never said
that before, even when things weren't going right.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
I never will.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Well, we'll discuss after the break. I want you just
to get wound up.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yeah, you tease.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
It's gonna be wound up for four minutes.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
Break doesn't matter anymore, save it all.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
This is a big game tonight, Mike. This is a separator.
At that Parks, the sixers are favored by eleven and
a half.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Give me the nuts.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, you're you're not here. You're not here at Parks.
Dan is running to take six. John Janson's walking across
the table to calm down, Mike.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
I would lay Look, the Sixers might win my thirty. Okay,
who knows. I wouldn't lay eleven and a half points
with the Sixers if they were playing Father Judge tomorrow
the plus okay, hey.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Father Judge for the Catholic League title against Romans first.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
Time set ninety eight, which I couldn't believe because I.

Speaker 7 (28:26):
Grew up in Judge's name, and they beat They beat
Roman this year during the regular season and Romans your
two time defending champ.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
And by the way, Saint Joe Prepp doesn't even get
to go to the state playoffs.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Apparently because they didn't win.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
They didn't make the Catholic League Final or something like
that or speed Boles old team.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, that's crazy. Oh man, that's nuts. So we got that,
we got going over with a big win last night.
We'll discussed what's going on with the Wildcats for those
that are not paying attention. Number two in the country
in three point percentage of the twelve or sixteen in
the first half last night at Wells where it's insane.
Number two. Yeah, number two, All right, that's talk.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
I'm sorry, it was the.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
There's a lot of that going around. Yeah, that's that's
just the way that we got a lot of college
hoop games we'll get to, but specifically we're talk filling
over when we get back, just just to play Kate Mike,
keep him happy. We're gonna talk about it long filled UPHI.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Hey, can I say a bad word?

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Is some pound? I think we already hit our quota today? Yeah,
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Speaker 3 (31:01):
On this round.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, I imagine I'm not saying anything so downside, I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Let you guys do this whole segment.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
So Mike Current on six Ers basketball, Hey, Dick, how
you doing it?

Speaker 3 (31:12):
I'm doing I'm doing five, Mike. So here we go
the Sixers. The Sixers have lost six in a row.
The good news, or maybe not necessarily good news, is
the Bulls, who they're chasing for the last play in spot,
have lost five in a row. They're now tied with
the Nets at twenty and thirty five. The tie wrecker
comes tonight in a huge game. It's WUFC, so everybody's

(31:36):
into that. They're game and a half out of the
last play. They're then five and a half behind Atlanta
for the ninth spots and they're not catching then. So
then the question is do you at this point want
to tank to get to hold onto your top six
draft choice, which potentially could be worth something? Right? I mean,

(31:57):
hell they can. I guess technically they could, John, could
they if the top six, if they're in, they could
win the lottery and get Cooper Flagg? Is that possible?

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Am I message something that I guess it is?

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Sick?

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Is top six?

Speaker 5 (32:09):
So at the end of the year, this eight or
six and then the lottery balls they move down to
seven or eight. Does that then still count as a
top six pick?

Speaker 3 (32:18):
You know who probably knows that as that man, Sean
Bernard who's back in the studio. I'll straighten that out.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Of them, because the ping pong balls can screw you
up as much as they can help you.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, I don't know how that. I honestly do not
know how that works. It's what's known as top six protected,
which means if they get into the top six, they
keep the pick. If they don't, they lose the pick.
I think I have that right, but I'm not sure
about the lottery.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Imagine any way, pre you know, you're.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Thick because that's how everybody talks about it. But I
don't understand the NBA rules all the time.

Speaker 9 (32:49):
Yeah, it'll be based on the lottery for that, and
if it's outside the six it goes to OK.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
See so what you say?

Speaker 5 (32:56):
What you're saying then, is it after the lottery or
before the lottery?

Speaker 4 (32:59):
After?

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Yeah, so you get screwed by the ping pong balls exactly? Yeah, Yeah,
it's all today getting the sixth pick.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, somebody's gonna.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah what if what if? Can they? So could they
get the first pick? Sean?

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Is that possible hypothetically?

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Sure?

Speaker 9 (33:15):
If you get real lucky with the ping pong balls,
it's kind of when you dive into like the numbers,
they're not going to get their chances above like forty
percent of actually keeping the pick, which is why you
got to kind of wait the what do the dance here?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yep? Right? Yeah understood, Yeah, that makes that makes some sense.
So anyway that even to get there at this moment,
like there's King Pong balls above Toronto's. Toronto's worse than
they are Charlotte Washington in Portland, Utah, in New Orleans
or all. They're gonna have to really play. They're gonna
have to find a way to play really bad to
get work. Worse than any of those squads. But well
they'll be in the lottery. Uh, we know that much,

(33:48):
barring some miracle here. So Mike, we can't have you
just like piase Us and then not go berserk. So
your thoughts on here's my thing.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
But I'm not going to go I'm not advocating tanking.
I've been through tanking. I went through that for two
way too long. But that's what I'll say. I don't
understand what the endgame is. You're twenty and thirty five.
It's clearly evident that you're probably not ever going to
have all three guys playing. Joe's knee is not does

(34:17):
not look like it's getting any better.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
It's coloring.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
You can see the frustration on his face.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
You can see the way you're playing.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Paul.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
George's finger doesn't look like it's going to get it.
But let's say, let's say you get the tenth you
get the tenth.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Spot in the play in, what if you accomplished.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
I don't understand what they think might happen. Like if
you're if you're looking at some teams in the NBA
like a golden state, I'm going to get it.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
People say, hey, if you get.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
To play in and we've seen teams in the play
in make runs, I get it.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Not this team.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
So and the other thing is if if Joe indeed
needs surgery, which it sure looks like he's going to again, Yeah,
and you don't do it. If you don't get it
to let's say second week of May, I'm just throwing
out of time and it's going to take nine months,
let's say, or ten months to maybe recover. We don't
know if he's going to recover. That puts you to
the trade deadline next.

Speaker 7 (35:10):
Year, yeah, this year, and then you're putting next week,
surgery done next week or whatever, you've got a fighting chance.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
And by January first, which still you know, the first
two weeks, two two.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Months to see it.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
But again, why would you The man is hobbling around,
he does he can't play.

Speaker 7 (35:30):
It's like they're holding they're holding on by a thread
of I Understandso.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Last year I understood last year sort of why they did.
They were a good team when he got hurt.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Sure, and then he comes.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
Back and they say, Okay, maybe we'll catch lightning in
a bottle, and we can win a couple of playoff series. Fine,
not this year, no way.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, the way I would look at it at this point,
I mean, just trying to be rational that let's let's
say they get to the final playing spot and I
think I have this right, they would then play it,
assuming it on stage where they are. They play one
game in Atlanta, and then if they win, they'll play
one more game on the road against one of the
other beds. If they win again, they'll be what the

(36:10):
seventh or eighth seeds playing the Cavaliers or the Celtics,
where they'd have no chance anyway. So what are we doing?

Speaker 7 (36:16):
That's my home point, jump through hope, just to get
to the point where you're going to get swept, right.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I don't even know why you would even think about
doing that, So I would at this point, Yeah, Mike,
I don't like tanking either, but I would just say
that and be man, we love you you obviously, you
know you can't play at the level you want to
play at if you need the surgery, which apparently does
just do it. Uh, and the season ends up wherever
it ends up, and maybe they get lucky, they get

(36:46):
lucky in the lot No, that's a good way to Yeah,
that's a good way to do things. And maybe you
get lucky in this lottery and the balls fall your way. Uh,
there's a look, there's a Cooper flag is obviously anybody
with a brain can see him. Uh, there's a couple
other players. I'm a huge fan of this kid in Maryland. Therapially,

(37:07):
he is a phenomenal player. You just get somebody younger athletic,
and they're desperate for a young athletic wings slash forward
kind of a player. Queen's not super athletic. Flag. Yes,
flags are ridiculous at but there are a number of
college players that potentially could help them. Uh, and they
have to get younger. I mean, you look around the league.

(37:29):
I was just watching highlights a little while ago of Houston.
They got like eight of these young three athletes on
their team. You just go, oh my god. In Oklahoma City,
you know, I mean, Oklahoma City is putting up historic numbers.
They put up a graphic on the ESPN today, But
after I think it's fifty five games, they have the
most point differential, the second most best in history, behind

(37:54):
like a Bucks team from the early seventies. At this point,
they're like, I.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Was playing a lot of young guys too, right, And
they're actually having a decent little season.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
I mean they're not.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
They're having a really good year and their second best
player has been hurt for a couple of months. JA.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
So, yeah, let me ask you something about the Yeah,
let me ask you something about the NBA, because this
is what I don't.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
I have real trouble.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
So I'm seeing a story on the Suns the other
day that the Sons are in all this salary cap
hell and they don't have a draft pick in the
first round till thirty one or thirty.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Something like that.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
Now, the Sixers are going to be in the same boat, right,
They're going to if they lose this year's pick, and
they I don't know where they are in the next
few years. How do teams get better if you just
trade all your first round picks?

Speaker 4 (38:42):
I don't don't understand, don't, Yeah, you don't.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
They're drafting is drafting is really matters, and I never
thought it mattered where you drafted, it matter who you drafted.
That's obviously the higher the better, But I mean, we
have no perfect better example of how drafting matters and
the football team. I mean, the l four drafts are

(39:05):
actually insane. They have to be the best four drafts
in the history of the NFL. I mean, everybody's starting.
It's just it's unheard of them.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
But they're good.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
I mean, right now, it's it's the ultimate. I mean, look,
Hallie Roseman and his staff. I mean, I don't know
if general managers can go to Hall of Fame or not,
but he said, then it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Do the thing.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
And a lot of teams just don't know how to draft.
They've never figured it out. They don't know, they don't
know how to put a team together. And that's Look,
that's been the Sixers problem. And they've had what I've
lost track of how many general managers here, but they've
never figured out how to put a team together. They
just have it. And they're not alone. There's a lot
of teams that a lot of lakes that can't figure
it out.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yeah, but they really have. I mean, you can go.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
We've went through this a many times of the Noel
the okhors put the one again. Markel Foltz won. I
don't blame him for Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons was the pick,
that was the pick, and he was an All Star
for three years and then he lost his mind or
whatever he did. And Joe's Josane. You know, it hasn't cooperated.
So they had a little bit of bad luck. And

(40:13):
I mean, look, New Orleans takes Zion Williamson. Everybody's like
a great They played like twenty two games in four years.
I mean there's a lot too. But when you look
at the Eagles and even go back to Jailen Hurts,
and I wasn't on board for them taking jail and
I like Jailing, but I just didn't, you know, they
just give him carts in the money whatever, and how
he had a couple of bad drafts he didn't take

(40:33):
justin Jefferson.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
There was a couple of those, my god.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
And as soon as he started drafting Georgia and Alabama players,
You're like, I mean, they had a thing this week.
I think it was ESPN or somebody did the top
hundred players in the NFL, and the Eagles had like
eight guys I think or eight I'm trying to remember.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Jailen was the lowest rating.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Jailen was like ninety fifth okay, on the list, and
they had Cooper. Dejene was ahead of the other cornerback.
Cooper Gen was like thirty fifth or fortieth. They got
there should have been a first round pick. I don't
know how he dropped.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Here's the here's the last four drafts for the Eagles
for round one this year. Quin John Metro, Cooper j Gene.
I don't know how to say this guy's name, Hunt.
I don't know how to say that.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
He's actually not bad.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
No, he's not there. The year before, year before that,
Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, I mean every year. The year
before that, Jordan Davis, Cam Jurgens, the Kobe d year
before that, Devonte smith Land and Dickerson uh and Melton Williams.
Are you serious? And then the year before that, I

(41:44):
guess was hers.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
And yes, look they've gotten they've gotten lucky a little bit.
I mean this year, Howie, because they could, they they
wanted to take de Jine in the first round. They
thought quin Quina is going to be off the board,
and he.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Didn't trade up here. He waited everybody.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
Yeah, and then friends up and said, but he took
Landon Dickerson, who should have been a first round draft pick.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
But he had the knee injuries.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, he had. He won a three season ending injuries.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
They got they got a little bit lucky because he's
been fairly healthy. Jalen Carter felt like six spots because
of the troubles he was having and how he moved
up the one spot. So you're right, Dick, I don't
know how many general managers have had better.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Three or four year runs.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
And from jail In from from twenty.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, that's just that's like one of the great runs
in history. You can't do any better than that, No,
you can't. But look, it's hard. It's hard. In basketball,
it's it's even more important, right because one player, yeah,
can change everything in basketball. The one player's not changing
everything in football, maybe unless you're safe on Barkley, but
for the most part, they're not. One player's not changing everything.

(42:46):
So yeah, that's and the six Ers have just they
just missed too many times, uh in. And they've had
all these picks and all these different trades and different things,
and it's been a mess. And yeah, they've been unlucky.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
At least in football you get to see him for
three years. In most cases basketball sometimes you know, you
see a kid play one year like folks played, like
what nineteen games that year?

Speaker 7 (43:11):
Played like basketball third year. When you have the top
five picks, it's easier to determine who the right pick is.
It it's not as in depth as it is when
it comes to football and you and they still messed
it up more times than they got it.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Look at the amount of great players in the NBA
that went in the second round or went late in
the first round, like they weren't. I mean, Curry was
like the eighth pick or whatever he was, Clay Thompson,
he wasn't a real real high pick on second round
Gianni sixteen, Jokie second round. So so those guys do exist.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
You just got a two years in there.

Speaker 7 (43:45):
But most of them are the like the the solidified
top five picks and that that you should get right, but.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Right for some guys that are really easy. Look, you
know when Lebron James high school, there was but there
was not a discussion and look, Cooper flag is like that.
I don't know how many people have had a chance
to see him playing college, but he's an absurd athlete.
He's becoming a better three point cheer, which is the
only thing you had there were questions about. So he's
obviously going to be the number one pick. After that,

(44:16):
you know, there's a lot of very good players. I
don't know if there's a guy who's going to change
your franchise, which is what the Sixers desperately need and
they need to get up their clothes.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
So I don't know, Tyreee fluting around that they got
what twenty.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah he was the best pick, but by far the
best pick by this regime. Yeah not closed, No, Yeah,
really really really good player, great guy guy, you want
to build your franchise.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
And then when you screw up absolutely by actually drafting
McHale where you should have taken him.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Okay, that was a.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
Good pick and they feel like that changed.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
He loved it.

Speaker 7 (44:54):
Fifteen minutes later they had a good ten minutes. I mean,
and it's not a good and pick, it's just the fit.
That's a lot of things too.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Is like Jared McCain is a really good pick, but
what the fit becomes a bit of a problem because
you have two really small guards and how you're gonna
play then and they can't.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
But Kel was the first time.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Where they they nailed the player and they nailed the
fit and they went, yeah, we don't need any Dick.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
If you were the Sixers, unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
I still cannot believe that they wanted the draft pick.
They wanted the draft pick that they got with zyr
Smith because they then they made a.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Trade or whatever. Someone like Kel Bridges think about this.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
You're the Sickers, right, and you could have called Dick Girardi.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
You could have called Mike Kern.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
But better than that, you could have called uh said
hey Jack, we're thinking about what what do you think Jay?

Speaker 4 (45:45):
You just won two national titles, you made a five
and Jay.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Would have said, hey, this guy's and I'm thinking when
they took him, I'm like, wow, give the Sixers credit.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
And then like ten minutes later, I'm like, what the
hell are.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
That was the Brett Brown was in charge at that moment.
I brief solo got blown up and he was sort
of the defective personnel guy. Yeah, that that'd be a
really good question for you know, whoever was the finally
UH made that pick. You know what in the world
were you thinking. Here's this guy who's in your city,
as Johnny just said, not only a terrific player, but

(46:21):
a perfect fit. You're dying for a three man is
three and D guy that can do all the different
things you need to do, and and he plays in
when you're in your floor. He's a two time national title.
You've seen him a million times, and and his mother
worked for you. And you draft him and you trade
him fifteen minutes later for a guy who can't shoot
outside of three feet.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, for a guy that's a pro.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Want to know you want to know a team that
did that.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
Back when Brian Westbrook was coming out of Villanova and
I never thought Brian was going to be what Brian became.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
But he was a great player.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
Oh, the Eagles took him because the Eagles had this
guy playing in your backyard. They took him in the
third round. Brian wasn't going to be taken higher that
and he what he turned out to be to me.
The two rooves that screwed the Sixers up the most
through this whole whatever you want to say, you're gonna
make bad moves you're gonna draft the wrong guy for
the wrong reasons, Markel Foltz and Michale Bridge. If you

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changed those two picks.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, you have Jason Tatum and McHale Bridges, you might
have won a championship all.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
It would have been a lot closer than than you've been.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
And even with because I know there's always the contention
of all, if they weren't gonna take Markel Faults, they
would have never had a chance to take Jason Tatum,
because I don't think yeah, I think the argument still
is they were If you just don't take MARKL. Folts,
just take anyone other than Markel falls.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
There had to be a guy that went fourth fifth.
I have to go back and look at the draft.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
I don't think Danny Aings was going to let you
take Tatum. That's just my opinion. I think he was
playing the sixers, and that's fine. You weren't taking Ball
because Ball went too But you could have taken somebody
other than Markel Folts.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
That could will be true. I will say this. I
saw Jason Sadam playing Duke and I did not see him.
I liked him, I didn't see doing what he's.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
Doing Darren, you like the Iron Fox than okay? Well
he went fifth mar marketing when Mark Donovan Mitchell, Donovan Mitchell, You.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Like Donovan Mitchell?

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah? I like Donovan.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
You all guys who went after faults.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
We've talked about this on the show before. I know
we have. But everybody I talked to that you're all
the scouts, and I know a bunch of them. They
kept screaming faults at me, and I kept the take
and I kept going, what am I missing? And it
turned out they were all wrong.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
I remember you saying, I remember you saying this guy.
I watched this guy play. He's got a bad shot.
He plays for a bad team in a.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Bad couldn't shoot free throws.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
Other than that, And again, if you have a chance
to take it to tucky guy, especially a any well
any but a guard, take him deer.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
The Fox was a freak.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
It's like taking It's like taking a Georgia or an
Alabama guy in football.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Why would you want to take Why would you want
to take Donovan Mitchell from louis Ville's place.

Speaker 7 (49:16):
For dear Fox and Malik Monk in this.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
In this conversation, Dick should be the GM and the stickers.
I should be his assistant and just get rid of
whatever the hell did.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Just get rid of more Sean, and Sean is coming
along with her, and I will give you more credit.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I think again, I think he's nailed some really good
draft picks, like Maxie and McCain. Like I think there
that is a good evaluation of talent, knowing that those
guys their skill set can fit in the NBA. But
I think like everything we're talking about had a domino
effect because once, once those early draft picks didn't happen,
then all of a sudden, you're like repurposing all of
these things.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
You have just to go after.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
One free agent or one train get a star player
to fix everything.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
And that's where everything was Ben Simmons did.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
If Ben Simmons didn't go nuts, Now he.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Wasn't that's a big party.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
He wasn't going to shoot the ball. We know that.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
But if he had just been that guy who was
like an all defensive guy and a facilitator or a
third team All NBA whatever, whatever the heck, he was
going to be none, I mean, they would have been
a lot better off.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
That was the plan.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
The plan was, we got em beat and Simmons going
forward and we're going to fill in around them and
it never happen.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
And this is where I always and I think said
this and it filled my head with this is probably
why things are the way that they are because of
the process. It bred a basically losing environment.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Like after a while and you.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Go, well, this guy came in here and he went
he went crazy, and James Harden came in here as bad.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Well look at he's doing with the Clippers.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
At some point, it's just it's you, like, what what
is going on here? That just it is the right
environment for people to thrive. Did you say that, like
a legitimate question?

Speaker 5 (50:54):
Did you say that one time to me, Dick that
like when Brett Brown was here, like they none of
the guys in this team know how to win.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I said it early and look okafor who there was
always a terrible draft choice. Again, anybody that watched him
at the five four, like I said, what a great
He literally couldn't guard anybody that chefs got to take
them off the floor. Uh, they don't win the game
if he doesn't take them off the floor. They couldn't
guard Bankamsky. But you know, I'm you know, but they

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take guys like that, and not only they take them,
then they put them out there, as Mike just said,
in an environment where they want you to lose, Well,
guess what you're gonna lose if they want you to lose.
You can't teach guys like that. And it's a shame
because that that kid is a phenomenal offensive talent, but
he's just a non athlete in a league where athletes

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were uh and and they needed to know that, but
they just didn't.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Unfortunatelylands play Nerlands was Kentucky, right, Yeah, so you had
a guy from Kentucky and a guy from Duke.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
All they did in college was win. That's what they did.
You know, you win year.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
And if you and if you could have put their
skill sets together to make one player, you had a
hell of a player. One couldn't play offense and one
couldn't play defense.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
You got to show them.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
You got to show me the franchise in the history
of sport that for five straight years their first round
picked in play because that was it.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Embeid didn't know.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
Emi missed two years, No missed a year, Simmons missed
a year, and Oka for and then false false I
mean it was like five straight years weirder guy literally
did not play. That's impossible. But and then in nineteen
they get Jimmy Butler. They got a guy who knew
how to wind thea he does, and they came within

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a four bounced thing of going to the conference finals.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
I mean, and then they get rid of him.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, and again with all that though, it just comes
back to, like the six Ers. You could look at it,
maybe just a string of bad luck, like all these injuries,
all these weird things. But is is Boston just like
a string of good luck?

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Then? Like, is it?

Speaker 1 (53:00):
It took took them a while, definitely, But it's.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Just that maybe there was a right way of doing
And I don't know what the answer is. What the
Sixers could have done better? I don't know that. But
there is a difference. And I can't just say, well,
that's bad luck versus good luck. It's not that like
one organization just seems like they're healthy and doing it.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
They lost a series to Atlanta, which hasn't won a
thing ever.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Okay, they played, they.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
Had the home court, They lost a game where they
had a twenty six point lead. They lost a game
where they had an eighteen point lead. They forced the
game seven here and could win.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Now what am I missing?

Speaker 5 (53:34):
I'm not saying they would have won the title that year.
I'm saying they.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Were the number one seed in the East. Should have
at least made the conference final.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
Okay, the next year then Kevin Hurder, they're beating Boston
by three with five minutes to go and Joe doesn't
touch the ball. And by the way, that nineteen game
that they lost to Toronto, as much as I love Jimmy,
he had two twenty four second violations in the last
they win.

Speaker 7 (54:00):
In that game, if it went to overtime, they were
probably down the stretch.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Probably not.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
But again, they've had they they've the and that's the teas.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
That's the teas, and the tea's is over.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
The teas no longer exists.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
It went down last year when Joe hit the floor.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
That's what do you say? Last was last?

Speaker 4 (54:22):
I say, we get everybody healthy.

Speaker 7 (54:24):
We we we've got we haven't had everybody healthy in
ten years.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
He said, you have to squint to see it, but
we still see a championship window.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
It's right there, right in front of us.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
I just don't I don't see a way out of
what this is now because you have maybe one of
the worst contracts in the league and Paul George and
there's like some good things and beads kind of back
and in beads contract with the bat.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
Can't wait here. If you went out in your season said,
what's everybody gonna give.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Me for Joe Nothing?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
I guess my thing is I I just don't see
even though you have two young bright spots in Maxi
and Jared McCain, that I just don't know with no
two bad contracts, one because of a bad kneed, one
because the guy just turned to a bad player. I
don't know how you get out of it, Dick. You
know they've gotten out of things before.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
This one.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
To me, just you know this is like, Dick, you
make a bet on a horse, big rate whatever, and
you bet one of the favorites or whatever, and about
halfway through, two thirds through your horse is like, you know,
just ain't running, and you sit there and say, Mike, Mike,
he's coming, Mike. Look if you just get no rip
the tickets.

Speaker 7 (55:26):
Up there and you're down the line to go.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
You know that better than anybody, Dick, because you you're
a horse race guy, you know how it works. Like
what happened with Smarty Jones at one year. That doesn't
happen a lot. Right most times, you know that. You
know when your horse has a chance, when your horse doesn't.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Have a chance. The Sixers have and they just won't
admit it.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
They just can't come out and say and and they
should just go up to They should go up to
Joe very nicely, say Joe, you can't play like this.
We were not going anywhere. Get it done. Let's try
to have a chance next year.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
But they won't do it.

Speaker 7 (56:01):
Sean Bernard, I think just tweeted out the Sixers are
up to like minus what three ninety to miss the fayal.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Oh I thought to win the ch What are the
rights to win the championship?

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Not not minus? All the board off?

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Off the boards.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Hold on, let me scroll all the way down.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Yeah, we got we gotta take we gotta take a break. Mike,
have you have anything on the golf tournament in Mexico? Forts?

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Okay, we got golf, Mike, don golf.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
We'll get it into Villanova. We'll get into the good
college games today. There's some good ones that all it
needs to be said, about the Sixution's a bad situation. Uh,
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don't know if this tournaments any good or not, but
we do have golf.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Mike Kurr.

Speaker 5 (58:09):
Yeah, it's not a good tour. I mean, it's not
nobody that you guys would know is playing in it.
But that's okay. They're still playing and you can bet
it on it.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
And you can win mesage. Yeah, true, very true.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
It's the Mexican somewhere in Mexico. I don't Vyarta somewhere
I don't think, but I don't think it's Porter of Iron.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
But anyway, there's a guy named Aldrich.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
I'm gonna get this wrong, polk Geider pole Guider, who
is a young guy who won an event on the
corn Ferry Tour last year at the Triple A League
and apparently said of reck. So he's obviously good and
he's leading by four. He shot ten under yesterday. He's
plus one seventy five. Now, I would say, if you
think a four stroke lead is worth only getting one

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seventy five, that's you know, whatever, four stroke lead is
a four stroke lead. There's a couple guys back, and
one of the guys I actually have in my pool
this week, Ashtey Batilla, who's a pretty good golfer. He's
he's probably the biggest name that's out there. He's nine
to one. And another guy named Aaron Ray, who at
won an event last year on.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
The PGA Tour. He's nine.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
So I would say, since I don't know much about
this young guy that's pretty good, and I don't like
only laying one seventy five, I would take either of
those guys at nine. I've got t s I'll root
for by Tia in my pool and Aaron Ray. They
they have a shot, but they're like six backs. I mean,
you're giving up, you know, you're you're not right there.
But there's thirty six holes to go and a lot

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of work to do. So I'm trying to think where
they are next week. We're getting clear, you know, we're
not that far away from AUGUSTA.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
The Players Championship I think is in three weeks, two
or three weeks.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
I won't say that they had to Florida soon for
the Yes, they do.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Palmer, there's like three or four in Florida. Palmer March
sixth to the ninth.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Then the Players is after Players thirteenth to the sixteenth,
and then they go to Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Even vals Bar is not that bad, right, no vaspar.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
Is a good tournament. Then they go I believe the Texas
right before Augusta.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, Valeria Texas open and then.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
Then Augusta, Yeah, I can't believe we're talking about Augusta.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
And then honestly, one of my favorites too is the
casual RBC Heritage Down and Hit.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
That's head for the Players.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
That's one of the most fun events because basically nobody cares.
They go there and they think their families and they
drive from Augusta. It's a great spot. Tell me about
a too, two and a half hour ride from Augusta.
I think, so, you know that used to be like
the place where they went to have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Oh yeah. Then in May, Philadelphia is getting the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
True Philadelphia and that's a big time event. Yeah, that's
worth a lot of money.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Yeah, it's a one year we're gonna have and then
next year we get the PGA, we.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Get the pja Iernomic.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
So we got that to look forward to with golf
and Mike every week on Golf right the ten o'clock.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
Twelve the one last week, baby. Even know when you
texted me, I wasn't following it, and he texted me
roll over Beethoven.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
I'm like, what the hell was Dick talking about? He's
like the guy won.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
I'm like, look at that testing My finally did going crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
He's lost it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Actually, two weeks ago, twelve to one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Last absolutely you'll love this. I texted him roll over
our roll and he yeah, yeah, yeah, are you talking
about it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
I didn't know what he had said.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Then I said juck Berry and he still didn't get it.
Then I finally had to tell him rollover Beethoven as
in Ludwig von aberg Man.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
I totally was not paying attention, and I don't know
why I turned.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
With another golf winner. This is the greatest thing in
the world, which incredible, how many winners he's giving it?

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
Well, yeah, and I'll go two months where I don't
have one because you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Know, if you're giving out fifteen to one shots, it
doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
So sometimes so.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Yeah, let's talk to some college. It's good, good scheduled today.
But let's go back to last night at the Wells
Fargo Nova eighty one Marquette sixty six Marquette for those
that care, and beating Nova eight in a row. But
Marquette's kind of cold. They've lost four of six, Villanova
twelve of sixteen on threes in the first a fifteen

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of twenty six in the for the game. They're now
shooting forty point three percent from three for the season.
That's second of the country. Eighty one point four percent
from the free throw line. That's also second. The problem
with the free throw number is they never get there.
They only take fifteen free throw teps. Again, that's three
forty one in the country. And the reason for that
is because they play so slow. They're one of the

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sixty three possessions of game three fifty five. They don't
force any turnovers, so they don't get any runouts, they
don't get any easy baskets. Back in the day when
they'll know had all those athletes, they not only shot
great from three. They shot great from two because they
got to the rim. So Roano was one of the
more frustrating Bizarro teams I've seen in recent Big Five history.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
There resumes I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Six and twelve member nine, yeah, sixteen to twelve, nine
and eight the Big East. They're four to one against
ranked teams and barely above five hundred against un ranked
so they're nowhere near the tournament at the moment. People say, oh,
they beat this team, they beat that team, but yeah,
they look they lost to Columbia their last in the
I mean their best non conference win is against Cincinnati,
which is fifteen and eleven and five and ten in

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the Big Twelve. It's just not because the resumes is
not good enough. It's unfortunate. So they are playing better,
but they've blown too many big leagues like the one
at Yukon. I mean it just Georgetown, But what what
did Georgetown do? John Square, Like the last fifteen points
of the game going up and never scored again at home?
Just bizarre. I don't get it. But John, what do
you think? I mean, you't any sense of what the
hell is going on all of this team?

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
No, I think in terms of the bubble conversation is
the ranked wins are great, you have to string together
wins at some point, like there's got to be a
point in the season where you're stringing together multiple wins.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
You can prove that you can win.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Back to back games, that you can you can a
tough game, but then also again, win a tough game
against the ranked opponent, but then go on the road
the next week and beat a team like Providence that
you have to prove.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
They haven't been able to prove it once this season.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
So I think that's one of the most frustrating parts,
is like the opportunity has been there and they keep
blowing the door open for them to get in and
they have it.

Speaker 7 (01:04:19):
And Dick, we were talking about it before the show.
We were talking about how predictable that Providence loss was
last Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
No question. We said that last week we all predict.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
Yeah, And how predictable Light was. Yeah, the line was
only one and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
And I said to somebody that that line should be high,
or I would think.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
But and I'm sure there's maybe some some x's and
o's and even like Jimmy's and Joe's kind of things
where you can look at some of the players and
maybe or maybe some of the coaching decisions in that
the last five minutes of each game. I don't know what,
but there's probably something there. But what I do know
is there's something there, and it's been there for three
years now that they can't close games, and it is

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the main re and why a team that has this
ceiling to beat some of the best teams in college basketball,
especially Saint John's, be able to beat them in the
way that they do it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
The inconsistency comes in the rest.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
They should be Yukon.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
They should be Yukon right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
This is a time that you look at all the numbers,
everything looks pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
It's just late in these games.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
It's the same story every single time there's a late run.
Don't do anything well defensively. They can put together any
kind of offense, and I don't know what to put
that on. Again, there's probably some specific reason for it,
whether it is players, but I don't know what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Here's the specific reason, John, I give it to you.
This is an elite offensive team. We mentioned they're free
throw shooting, a three point shooting right, They're eighteenth in
a country on a ken Pom numbers. The problem is
because they have so few possessions in the game, right
sixty three, that's one of the that's one of the
slowest tempo teams in the country, even when they're playing
well on offense. Because there's so few possessions, the game

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is going to be close at the end where you're
or you have the randomness of basketball comes in and
or coaching decisions and or bad plays at the wrong time,
and you can lose these games. I don't like teams
that play these low possession games. And I'm gonna give
you a great example. Wisconsin dress has driven me nuts
for years because they play these low possession keep the

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other team in the game. Well, last year Greg Guard,
to his everlasting credits, said we're not doing that. And
this year they're scoring over eighty eight game and they're
impossible to defend because everybody can shoot threes. You can't
win in basketball or really any sport where you're trying
to unless you have incredible players. Like Jay's team has
played very slow at the end, but he had NBA

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players all over the roster and they could play defense.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
But they were buildings, yeah, and they were able to
get to the free throw line, and they consistently made
free throws and that's why they won.

Speaker 7 (01:06:49):
And I feel like that's a recipe for disasters. When
you have less possessions, that just leaves less roof for air.
If you've got to take advantage of memory, possession or
else your better team, you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Want to let the other team stay in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Yeah, here's the example, Mike. Their next game is that
Seaton Hall, right, which is the worst team in the
biggest by a lot. It's on the road. It's just
play faster. The more more possessions you have, you think,
and you do have the better players. But that's just
how they're look and that's how Jay played at the end.
But again he could do it because of the players

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he had. They don't have NBA talent on this team.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Okay, let's just see you. They're going to be favored
in their last three games.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
They they're at Seaton Hall, like you said, then they
get Butler at home, and they go to Georgetown.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
Let's say they win those three games.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
Let's just say, say, do they still have to win
the biggest tournament at that point to get in?

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Yeah? Probably. Right now, they're not even in the conversation,
they're not you know, they would not be among the
next ten teams at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Because again, ranked wins you have gets you a lot closer.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
I mean, it didn't get you into definitely, they definitely
get you in the vicinity. Then if you win some
games in New York, right and beat somebody to go
together on neutral court, sure it could. The problem is
that they put themselves so far behind in November and December.
It's just hard to catch up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
But look offensively conference losses to make up for it too.
The ranked wins great that even some of the bad
conference and I would.

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
Think, I would think, here's the problems.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Yeah, the Big said, no, they can't get a top four.
See they could get the fifth.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
The fifth.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
That what I meant, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
They would get to buy there's them and Xavier potentially
the fifth. The other problem is the Big East isn't
that good. It's just not right this year. It's just
I mean, Saint John's was the highest ranked of the committee.
They got a four. SEA That tells you what the
Committee thinks of the Big East. So even winning these games,
the Yukon is not the Yukon of the last two years. Marquette,
as we said, is slumping. The one game if you

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could have it back from Villanova, they lost the neutral
court game in December to Maryland by one point. Maryland's
gonna be top four seed in the Big Ten and
is playing great right now. If they could have that
one back, we'd be having a different conversation with.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
So and and and there.

Speaker 5 (01:09:14):
I'm guessing that at some point, let's say they got
to the semifinals, whatever, they're going to have to play Creighton, Marquette,
Saint John's or Yukon. One of those four teams is
probably going to be your opponent. If they won that
game to get into the final, like I mean, they
they might at least put themselves into the discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
I don't know, and I don't know if they're gonna
win these last three games, to be.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Honest with you, I mean, they'll be favored, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
They will be but that's it's legitimate. They they haven't
been able again to consistently win those games, and so
what what would I guess make you think otherwise at this.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Point they're better than those three teams.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
I mean I think so. Yeah, I don't know how
else the point I think so for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:09:54):
Yeah, but again, but it's just to the point of
it better which Nova team is gonna show up?

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
Yeah, I think we lost, Dick. Your your equipment stinks
or his phone stinks, one or the other.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
You were turned into sports here, there, and everywhere, presented
explicitly by the bed Parks app. But we do have
a lot of college basketball games on for today, including
UH number seven Texas A and M number six Tennessee
that tips off at noon right now. Texas A and
M a very short favorite against Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
That's again, I look, I'm not going to sit here
and say I've been following college basketball and every team,
every SEC game is two ranked teams basically yea, but.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Men, I mean Texas A and.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
M only giving was it one and a half for
two and a half two and a half, and Tennessee
plays that the stuff Dick was just talking about there.
I think they lead the country in scoring defense, So there,
their games are going to be low scoring games. And
Texas A and M just got waffled by Mississippi State.
Mississippi State just killed them. So maybe that just seems
load to me, But I don't know. And I don

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seem low. I like the job the guy at Tennessee does.
I think he's a pretty good coach.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
He's been.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
I mean, I think these are these are two great squads,
and TEXTA and MS has been excellent this season. But
this is one just a spot means more to me
than anything. They just went on the road, had a
tough loss against Mississippi State. This is a great, great
spot back at home to bounce back with Texas against
Tennessee and get a big win.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
So actually kind of like you back with us.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
I am knocked off in the moment, knocked off in
mid sevens. That stuff happened.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
But yeah, Tennessee am thing noon.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Game and minus two home against Tennessee. Low scoring. Uh,
those teams are defense first over under. I'm sure that
the number is really low. But yeah, that's that's an
interesting game. And there's are obviously two teams that are
very high. Yeah, that's a that's a really dud number.
They're saying the winning number is going to be. Yeah,

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that's a crazy glow number. But that's probably the reality.
We'll get into all of them. But to me, at
the game of the day, it's unfortunately what it's happened
to it at two o'clock Houston and Iowa State in Houston,
number five against number eight. But Iowa State's two top
scorers are not going to play, So Houston is now
a twelve point.

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
One one illness and another one with a muscle strain
or something.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Yeah, that's that's a shame because that's that's a great game.
And these are two teams, either one of them can
make the final four. That's a really really good.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Game, Dick.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
For people who have have I really gotten into college
basketball yet? And I would tell myself, I mean I followed,
but again, football was going on for there are some
teams out there that are really really good that maybe
we don't know about. This seems like there's a lot
of them, like four or five six teams where I'll
look up and go, oh my god, Texas Tech is
this good or this team? Is that just this kind
of season that we're kind of Auburn's great, and I

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know Duke's great, Florida is really good. But those teams
that are like in that eight to fifteen, there's some
really good teams.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
Aren't there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Yeah, you just mentioned a couple in Texas. Texas terrific.
Clemson is really good. It was an interesting game today
in the two o'clock window, Clinton twenty one and five,
thirteen and two in the league. The only team to
be duke in the a SEC is at SMU. I
mean that does a sounds weird, but UCV right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
It is very's acc game very well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Clenson's minus one and a half at bet Parks SMU
is twenty and six and eleven and four. And everybody said,
wait a second, why is Andy Enfield, the USC coach
leaving to go to Dallas. Well, maybe he knew something
we didn't know. And Andy Monio for the people who
don't remember, he's the guy that was the coach at
Florida Gulf Coast when they did the Dunk City thing

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at the Wells Fargo when they ran ran Georgetown and
San Diego State out of the Wells Fargo Center about
ten years ago. Now, So yeah, that that's a really
fascinating game. Alabama at home after losing a couple in
a row, minus ten against Kentucky sounds like a lot
that Kentucky is a ton of injuries, especially the big players.

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Eight o'clock tonight at Madison Square Garden Duke minus eight
and a half against Illinois, Illinois's illness injury, and I
don't I do not like how they're coached even a
little bit. Duke is playing great at the moment. Here's
a while one if you're into it. Gonzaga minus six
and a half against Saint Mary's. This is going to

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be the last one of them. Gonzaga is getting out
of that lead to go to the Pack two next year,
so they're leaving the West Coast Conference. That's an interesting game.
Was noon game Wisconsin minus nine over orec And Wisconsin
and Maryland are playing the best, maybe Michigan State after
they win at Michigan last they playing the best.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Yes, the story on Wisconsin because they seem like they're
playing excellent basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
They're up tenbo Now yeah, right, they said John. They
started to change the way they played last year. You know,
all of a sudden, they're not trying to have sixty
possessions and drive everybody, including the commentator on the ra
for the other team insane, which they did regularly. And
they're actually playing fun basketball. And they had this kid,
chan Tanji who was at Missouri last year, and Missouri,

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by the way, did not win a game in the
SEC last year, and now they beat everybody. And he's phenomenal.
You could make a really good case he's the first
team All American and the Big Ten players. He's been
that good. And he's not the only guy. I mean,
everybody on their team could shoot, They play faster, they
score in the eighties. And I think I said to
you guys last week they were in line to set

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the all time free throw record that's held by Villanova.
Percentage wise, they've actually dropped the tuts, so right now
they're behind Villanova's all time record, which I believe was
eighty four percent, which is completely insane. Also, there's some
really good games. We'll talk about all of them, but
tomorrow at noon, this is one not to be missed
at the Garden, Saint John's and Yukon. And if you

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think Dan Hurley doesn't get along with people, he really
doesn't get along with Rick. So this will be great theater.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
I should read about you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Okayhead no, And the only other interesting game of mar
is Purdue in Indiana. You know, Mike Woodson's on his
way out the door. Indiana's collapsed, and you know they
hate Purdue and all their fans, and.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
You don't feel you don't feel badly about that at all.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
You know, I don't think he's it seems like a
nice enough guy, but he just wasn't made for college basket. No,
it's just it's just it's a mess, and they don't
know what they're doing down there, and they keep thinking
it's nineteen eighty seven, and they just Keith Smart is
not coming back and that's just not going to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
So I forget it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:34):
Were sniffling about the s m U Clemson matchup that
was the ACC title game in football. That's right, those
teams were in the playoffs. I might want to remind people.
So there's us and Fine in that league that they took.
Think about this.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
The school said, don't give us any.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
Money, keep the one hundred million that we were because
we just want to be in the league so big.
That's how much money's in Dallas.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
I don't think. Yeah, their fat catalungs. I know. I
got one of my friends is pretty influential guy at
Penn State. Got a call from some guy in Dallas
and when SMU was playing tenn State said hey, we
would we would like to see if we can get
some good seats up there, he says, I'll tell you what,
I'll sell you my box, my my sweet. You wouldn't

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believe the amount of money these guys said. I'll stay
harme and watch this one did when.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
They did that thirty for thirty, which is a great
one on the pony excess. Right, looking, all this stuff happened.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
This was forty years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
Now forty years the money that was reaching out of
Dallas apparently is just insane.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
And Mike go to Texas. A lot of oil wells
down there.

Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
Man, yeah, yeah they call now I hear you. But
apparently Dallas is like the epicenter of all that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Like I don't have a question, no my text.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
So there we go. Uh, let's go over some of
these games. Let's talk Houston Iowa State. I think I
think this might be. I think last year's Houston team
is probably Calvin Sampson's best, but then their best player
got hurt unfortunately in the key game. I think that
they have their best chance yet to make the Final four.
H John, have you had a chance to see Mike
Cooper yet?

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
Didn't they make a Final four a few years ago?

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
You're not selling over cut them out, I think, but
I know maybe they could maybe they did make it.
I'm gonna lose a big.

Speaker 5 (01:18:34):
Calvin made one because I couldn't believe Calvin was in
in a Final four, and now I don't know if
he could.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
He could have. Yeah, you're probably right, Mike. I think
you are right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
I think you're you're right Dick that this isn't maybe
like the best team that Houston's had, but with the
way they play, how good this team is still it
is in the year that kind of college basketball is having.
It is right for Houston to kind of finally get there.
So I like Houston in this game. Seeds right now,
I mean, that's what Joe two seeds.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Here and think about this. Houston came out of the
American two years ago. They've walked into the toughest basketball
conference in the country on an annual basis, and they're
the best game of the Big twelve. Okay, Yeah, that
tells you how far.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
That problem you don't like, you don't like Kansas's chances.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
This is This might be the worst team Bill self
is out of decades.

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
I mean, nobody feels sorry for him. He was the
preseason number one team.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Yeah, they've got hammered numerous times. Yeah, and I don't
think Wilt is coming back to play for him. He's
not gonna happen. So yeah, we like Houston. Unfortunately, I
always say, just as we said, we're out there, you
don't mind laying.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
The half, not at all.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:19:48):
By the way, after this game, Houston's gonna go and
play Texas Tech on Monday, So.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
That's another great game. Yeah, that guy's doing a hell
of the job, the Texas Tech ran.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
I love that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
So so Alabama Kentucky six o'clock. Alabama can score with anybody.
I mean, they're wild but they're not. That's where we
say defense optional for them. Kentucky has the same issue.
They run. They run, in my opinion, some of the
best half court stuff in the country, but they have

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a lot of players hurt. Right now, they're getting ten.
I would like the Wildcats getting ten because I think
it's going to take ninety five to win.

Speaker 7 (01:20:33):
And I think I'm looking at it now ward like
it went up to eleven and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
It's to somebody else. Somebody else must be hurt at
Kentucky that I'm unaware of. Beyond the guys that I
am aware.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Have they played this year?

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
They yeah, they played. It was like, yeah they did.
It was like one hundred and five to ninety five
or some crazy number like that. I'm all on it,
but it was a huge number because neither team plays
any defense, but they'll be fun to watch and both
like to launch up a.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
Bunch of three under Kyle on that game three eighty
uh three eight, it's would you take the over?

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Yeah? Absolutely, I think it's gonna take a I think
it's gonna take one.

Speaker 7 (01:21:14):
Hundred to way right, Well, teams are at least getting
the nice isn't the same exact way Bama play last
year too, it was they were just gonna have.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Yeah, it's a kind of style of offense or just
the style that they play. I personally, I don't know
what you think, Dick, but I personally don't like I
think it's really tough to win consistently like that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
I agree, I agree with it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
The high look right at the highest.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
I'm a look, I'm a big fan of NATO. I
like how we played one of the first guys at
at a Power conference school that said, look, we are
doing nothing but shooting lay ups and threes, and if
you look at their shots hort there, it's just empty
in between layups and threes. That's all they do. And
if somebody shoots something out, they're coming out. Uh look,

(01:21:57):
and I get it from an analytics it makes perfect sense.
But at some point you've got to guard somebody. I think, uh,
and that that's their problem. They're just not breaking.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Yeah, so dead to your point.

Speaker 7 (01:22:10):
That the fact that against Missouri they put up ninety
eight points and lost by twelve, that crush that doesn't
concern you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Right, Yeah, it does. You know. That's why I like
Kentucky plus al remained to give me. You know, unless
nobody's playing today, that's that's the part. I'm wantaware exactly
who is not playing, but I know some of their
starters have been maybe somebody else is out. I just
hope the kid Kobe Bray is not at He's the
he's the three point shooter that as far as I
can tell, I have not seen him miss a shot

(01:22:39):
in the games I've watched. I assume he has actually
missed a few shouts, but I have and I'd like
I enjoyed. Mark Pope's one of my favorite guys to
come back in the day.

Speaker 7 (01:22:48):
But by the way, Dick, just real quick too, on
Bama's remaining schedule. Did you see that the brutal Kentucky,
Mississippi State at Tennessee, home again, Florida at Auburn.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
So I stands right now, it would be seven straight
games against the ranked of pumps.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Yeah, insane, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
With the last two being the one and two.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Right. In all the times I've covered college basketball, I
don't ever remember a league like this. But there were
some great years of the Big East where they got
like eleven teams in the tournament, but they didn't have
five teams in the top ten. They didn't have potentially
all four number one seeds if it wasn't for Duke,
And then that's madthisis.

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
J Billis was talking about that the other day and
he said there was one year in the eighties where
the ACC had like five or six really really good
teams when they only had their team. But now that
you have these conferences, yeah, the Big Ten can end
up doing something like this, like you know, the Big
Ten could have seven or eight really not.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
In basketball, not in basketball. This has a basketball league.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
Yeah, you were, You're right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
They're saying, how great they are, but that's just not
Look I know it all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
So you know, the SEC has money.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
They are ruined in it shows and football is the
King's that's never going to change. But I think somebody
at the SEC finally realized, Hey, you know what, there's
this thing called basketball to do.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
We can play and that's what they want to do.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
We can do, we can do well with this. Yeah,
we're gonna we gotta take a final break. When we
get back, we'll continue a little college hoops talk. Get
to the finish line. And uh Eagles, Yes, still did
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the Eagles did win this thing called the Super Bowl
a couple of weeks ago. I am I am shocked
to hear, not not shocked to hear. But it is
wild that two key contributors, Cam Jurgens and Nolan Smith

(01:26:14):
already both had surgery playing.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
You're Dickerson will have surgery.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Yeah, Dickerson probably was.

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
Yeah, right, every guy in the NFL at the end
of the season, there's almost and they play through it
because they want to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
I mean, it's it's just amazing how effective and dominant
during the game and went in the halftime I think
a little bit early because of it, and still came
out and played pretty pretty wi All the stories that
come out from that Eagles team, it just it gets
better and better. It's one of one of the easier
teams to root for.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
I think in Phil and Uh, we forget that Jalen
was hurt like three weeks before.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
Remember he was going to wear the knee brace. He
was going to do this, He was going to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
I think that kind of gets lost in at all
because I even don't he didn't look at in the.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
Super Bowl now he looked pretty efficient, pretty good. Hey,
dick boy, to ask you a couple of questions, and
I know you were gonna get to anyway, but with
some local but the game you're at today didn't still
have a chance to make. I guess they do. I
mean I looked at their schedule. They it is not
an easy schedule, so to speak. They're getting three toad
today at Minnesota. You said they haven't won a Big

(01:27:21):
Ten road game or what are their chances made today?

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
Yeah, they haven't won a Big Ten road game. They
haven't won a game where they're an underdog. And Minnesota
looked like they were a locked for the last in
the league, and their coaches done a phenomenal job at
Ben Johnson. They just went to the West Coast and
swept UCLA and USC very very impressive. The last three
times they played Penn State is including to last year one.

(01:27:47):
A couple of weeks ago, Penn State had gigantic leads
in the game and lost all three of Minnesota came
back to win. So at the moment, Minnesota has their number.
They have a terrific senior player who's closing on two
thousand points, Dawson Garcia. I don't know if he'd be
a first team All Big Ten player. He should be
in my mind, just because he plays for not a
very good team. But having said that, Penn State first

(01:28:09):
month of the season, and I told you guys this
even before the season started, I thought they could be
among the best teams in the Big Ten. Well, they
looked like they were among the best teams in the country.
They had Purdue damn twenty seven at home, they forced
twenty five timers. They basically made a quick and then
something happened. They didn't play as well. The rest of December.
They were winning because they're playing teams that couldn't lose

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to and then they lost that game at the Pileustra
to Indiana and the season kind of went off. The
Rams Puff Johnson, who was their power forward, broke his
hand at Michigan State is at for the year baseball
when their star point guard hurt his back against pen
late December. He hasn't been the same until the last

(01:28:50):
three games where he finally looks like himself again. Like
I said, oh I remember this guy. The last three games.
Forty five points, twenty fifteen steeps. That's that's him. And
he was great the other night against Nebraska. Nebraska have
been playing great in the league and they just crushed them.
They had them way out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
What happened there because Nebraska got crushed early. I mean
that game is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Over here, Yeah, the game is over. Yeah. Penn State
had half one hundred and a half fifteen to twenty seven,
the game is over. Yeah, they started turning teams over
and they ran. They got fast, freak points, and that's
what they do. They had this team speed. But what
happened john went when Pop Johnson went out, all of
a sudden, Nick Kern, who was their superstar six man,
was starting and was not nearly as effective. So coach

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Roach changed the lineup going into the last game and
put Freddy Dell and he'd been starting and then moved
to the bench, put him back in the starting line
up front, nick Karn off the bench, and that was
a much better, much more effective lineup. And I'm sure
that's what they'll do today, I said just to Mic
I texted him earlier. If Penn State plays like they
did against Nebraska, they can't beat anybody in the lick there.

(01:30:00):
They're that talented. But it was a confidence thing, it
was a lineup thing. It was just sometimes when you
start losing things just that's just what happens in sports,
both ways, just playing well. The question the INERR question.
The answer your question is yeah, the answer your question

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is yet technically they do, Mike. One of the problems
is are going to at the moment they lose a
lot of the tie breakers, the bottom of three teams
get get relegated, relegated to not going to Indianapolis. But
this is a game today they could certainly win. They
play at Indiana Wednesday, that's winnable. Then the last two
are very hard Maryland at home a week from today

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and then at Wisconsin to finish. And those are two
teams that are playing for the top four, possibly even
playing for the Big Ten regular season championship, so they
won't be easy. But yeah, for any chance, all they
have to win the game today, I mean pretty much
probably we think we think both of them like you
get to at least six and then potentially you get

(01:31:03):
into a multi team tiebreaker and then maybe you got
a shot. But if they don't win the game today,
then you forget.

Speaker 5 (01:31:08):
I want to ask you, and I hadn't asked you
this before, but the former coach at Penn State who
is now at Notre Dame, and he had a meltdown.

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
Did you see that?

Speaker 5 (01:31:17):
Okay, you saw it, so you know, And and they're
not playing well. Then they went out there and today
Pitt is giving them one and a half at Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
And I know Pitt's not that much, do you.

Speaker 5 (01:31:27):
Yeah, I mean, you know this guy, and I know
he was probably just frustrated, but you know, is that
out of character for him?

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
Yeah, I would say that that surprised me a little bit.
Michael Shrewsberry's are you talking about it? Did such a
great job two years ago when they had gel and Picket,
those guys that ran Texas A and m out of
the out of the gym in Des Moines and almost
beak Texas to get to the sweet sixteen, played Purdue
for the Big Ten title. Yeah, I was. I was surprised.

(01:31:55):
I've seen him get a little upset, but I don't
know what the context of it was. He was mad
because Louisville had more fans there than Notre Dame did
and said stuff, hey, when we good good, we don't
want you coming back. That was just a lot of frustration.
That's not really him. He's a good guy. He's a
wonderful coach. You know, he coached with Brad Stevens. They're
best friends. Yeah, he was on a bench of the

(01:32:18):
two Butler National championships, and then he was with Brad
when Brad was the head coach of the Celtics. I
mean he was. He was Jason Tatum and Brown and
all those guys. He was. He was the old court
guy with them for years, and then he wanted to
be a college head coach, so he went to Purdue
for a couple of years with Matt Painter and then
obviously got the Penn State job. So, yeah, is point

(01:32:39):
guard Marcus Burton, who's his best player, was hurt at
a critical stage of the season and kind of they
got off the rails. But yeah, it probably doesn't help
that their women's team is right number one, so just
very good. But yeah, I haven't talked to him. I'll
probably call him after the season. He didn't, so I
kind of probably wants to talk, right. I felt sorry

(01:33:01):
for that because it was a little out of that
was a little loud.

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
I mean it was just you know, and I get it,
you know, you're you're not winning and and and whatever,
and maybe the fans aren't with you, and I understand
all that good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
But man, he just he threw the microphone and right,
and I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Sure he and then.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
I'm sure he recredited it. Maybe Yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Well, and the next and the next game that was
at home and s m U S. So yeah, not
a not a good job.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
Here's a game that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Yeah, they're just they're not good. Now that's their problem.
And and but the good news is the ACC sticks
once you get past the top of it. This is
not yes, you know the ACC. We remember they have
too many teams. I mean, Syracuse is awful. Uh, there's
a lot of teams with pedigree that used to be
good that aren't. Florida States hit, they're they're terrible. Miamis

(01:33:53):
might be the worst team in the country. They're brutally
bad after being in the Final four two years ago.
So there's chances to move on. But you gotta get players,
and right now he don't have enough good ones.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
It's funny how that works. Yeah, if you don't have players,
it's tough to win. And I love it when you
guys talk about like when teams shoot well from three, Well, yeah,
if you shoot well from three, your chance is winning
the game.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
Probably go.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
When you're twelve, Yeah, you're twelve of sixteen in the
first half last night, falling over, but you're probably gonna
look good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
You can put me on.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
The patch and they're gonna be good.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Yeah, one of the guys that made a bunch of
the shots. I've never even heard of. Who was that guy? John? Yeah? Yeah, who,
I don't even know who that is.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
He's come off the bench every once in a while.
He's been one that Kyle has gone to a little
bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
I'm surprising.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
It's surprising that he hasn't gone to him like earlier
and a lot more because there has been clashes of
these at three like a couple of times throughout the season.
And really for team it has no bench, like that's
just pretty gives them a spark.

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
And also the other.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
One is Jamiir Brickis doesn't shoot a lot of threes,
but he's really efficient. There was and so finally there
were last night or five to start the first half
and when Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
That'll that'll help things. That will definitely help exect it
from Coachville via LASAL. But yeah, I mean that tells
you something about where llanove is that two of their
starters were at LASAL and Penn. Nothing against either one
of those programs, but really that's what we're dealing with here. Yeah,
it's not it's not Jalen Brunson and Michale Bridges and

(01:35:35):
Josh Hart and DoD De Deveno and guys that are
all over the NBA. That's that's the bigger problem. And look,
I haven't been enamored with some of the coaching things
I've seen out there. But let's keep in mind that
Kyle Neptune walked to it into following a legend, and
the whole sport changed overnight when he got there.

Speaker 5 (01:35:56):
Yeah, trans legend, the legend new to the sport was changing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
Correct, he said, I'm out, I'm going to CBS was gone.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
The Virginia coach is gone. They're all there's only there's
only two.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
There's only two of them left, like is O and Patina.
They're the only two left all the rest of them.

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
Speaking of the Richster, So you and I remember a
couple of years ago when he was at the college
in New York before sometimes and we thought, if you'd
made the tournament, he was going to beat somebody, you know,
just because he didn't make the tournament or whatever they lost.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
In the well, he made it. He made it one
year and.

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
Okay, how far and Patino didn't make it last year.
Maybe could have, maybe not, I don't know. They were
close Okay, he's going to get in this year. Is
Ricky playing in the second weekend?

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Yes? Yeah, you know it's fascinating because he's got a
team that can't shoot free throws and can't shoot threes.
And you say, well, how are they winning? Well, they're
winning because they maximize possessions. They don't turn it over.
They four as many turnovers as any team in the country.
The offensive rebound and there's a lot available because they
can't shoot, and they are relentless on both ends, defense

(01:37:11):
and offense. And you know what they also do. They
shoot mid range jump shots and they make them.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
What's what's a mid rage jump shot? You gotta stand
to me?

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
I don't, but yeah, you know what, this is how
great a coach he is. Mike, he figured out, all right,
we got we can't We only have one or two
guys that could shoot three. So guess what, We're not
gonna shoot three. We're gonna get guys their best players.
A kid, Kadari Richman knew was that seton Hall last year.
Saint John's obviously having a boatload of money that Seaton
Hall doesn't have. So he came over to Saint John's
and he's a fifteen foot jump shooter. So you know

(01:37:41):
what Rick has him do, shoot fifteen foot jumps.

Speaker 4 (01:37:43):
See here, to me is the mark of a great coach.

Speaker 5 (01:37:46):
Ricky back thirty years ago, wasn't he one of the
first guys that shot threes?

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
If I if I remember correctly.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Not one of the first. He was was the.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
First, right, So now he's sitting here thirty years later saying, Okay,
I can't do that with this team. A lot of
coaches just keep shooting threes.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
Right, John and Kyle you'll love this, Yeah, you'll love this.
The first year at the three point shot was the
eighty six eighty seven season, and the past was that.
It's absolute heyday. Yeah, I mean Georgetown was great still,
Saint John's was really good. I mean yeah, they were
all villing over, they were all good. So Rick is
at Providence where they're no good, and he's looking around

(01:38:25):
and he goes, wait a second. And they played an
exhibition game against the Russians and the Russian shot like
twenty five threes, and Rick said, well what are they doing?
And they were like really good, and somebody over there
could add and Eric said, well, why don't we do that?
Rolling over would shoot an average. You're in for this.
They would shoot like two threes a game. Georgetown would

(01:38:46):
shoot like four. Like the coaches Rowley and John Thompson
did not know this. What is this? This is not basketball?
And Rick said, well, wait a second, they're better than us.
I got Billy Donovan and Delray Brooks, and what can
they do? They could shoot threes. So they were shooting
like twenty a game. Yeah, they're shooting twenty a game,
which was like an enormous number back then. And and

(01:39:09):
Rick is somehow winning all these games. And then in
the key game they played Georgetown to get to the
Final four, they shot like almost no threes because Georgetown
finally decided to guard the line. And what did Rick do?
He had like thirty laps.

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
That's what he knew.

Speaker 5 (01:39:22):
Who was another guy early on, if I remember correctly,
because I wasn't covering his team yet. But didn't Temple
kind of do that too with Reeswick and some of
the sure John said, we're going to shoot threes.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Yeah, so so did so did the South was speed Man?

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
George Speedy didn't like it at first. He was an
old school coach. And then we went at the Notre Dame. Uh.
I went at the Notre Dame DUELSU game and we
walked by the touchdown Jesus, I said, who's that speedy
goes three point Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
Oh, because he had his arms race up. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:39:57):
I mean you told me one time, Dick, you can
shoot thirty three percent from three.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
It's like shooting fifty from two. Yeah, and I never
never figured that out, Like, I had never thought about it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
And Villanova's forty from three, so that's safety.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
The problem with them is the great Baleova tea's that
Jay had. They were top five in the country and
two point percentage. This team is like one fifty. They
can't finish it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
Yeah, they don't have any finishers and they have like
one mid ring shooter and Jordan Longino and that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Right, yep, Yeah, that's that's the.

Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
Pink the coach. The coach is coaching for his job.
I mean it's as simple as that. We all know
that if they win these last three games, which are
certainly winnable, they at least put themselves I would think,
I don't think that would get him in by that point.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
I know it won't get him in, but at.

Speaker 5 (01:40:48):
Least then they could go into the biggiest tour in
New York maybe saying, hey, if you get to the final,
even if we can win a couple of games against
good teams at the final, they got to look.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
At no question, Yeah, I agree, and I look, as
I've said many times, I know I know Kyle a
little bit, but I more know his staff members specifically, uh,
Dwayne Anderson, I know Mike Nardy a little bit, and
obviously I know Astley Howard very well. So it's brutal.
It's a brutal business. But yeah, the reality is they

(01:41:18):
got to find a way to They got to find
a way to win the games. As Kyle and John
were saying a little while ago, it's nice to win
the games against the good teams, but you got to
beat the panteas.

Speaker 5 (01:41:30):
You know what part of the rest of my fear is, Dick,
and again, everything you said about those guys, you know,
I knew Mike, I know Ashley, you know I know
the same guys who go is I see them losing
a game in the Big East badly, like like the
way we've seen them lose some of these games recently.
Where you sit there after the game's over and go.
You know, they could have won that game, and well,

(01:41:51):
why didn't they? And Kyle's going to get blamed whether
it's Kyle's fault, is Kyle's fault and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Yeah, And I guess it's so hypothetically because I let's
just I will start with I'm rooting for Kyle. I'm
rooting for Kyle because I think he's been great for Villanova.
I think it's been a tough transition going from Jay
to him, and I think he's done a good job
and I'm hoping it gets rewarded potentially with NCLA birth
all that stuff. But in the hypothetical that they are
looking for a new coach, I guess, how competitive is

(01:42:20):
a team that's been successful that's probably really desperate and
it's probably gonna to overpay or spend more money than
probably they usually would be willing to to get it good?
Like how competitive would of a school like Villanova be?

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
In head it's still Villanova.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
Yeah, they got money, I mean they got money. Guys
out there that are world to spend money. I don't
think that would be an issue. They could find somebody
that they would like. The other problem they're going to have,
let's say they don't make the NCAA, they have this
new tournament. I don't know if you guys even know
about that. Yeah, right, So it's it's at the end
of March, and the whole thing is in Vegas. And

(01:42:56):
the way that this is a Fox tournament, so you know,
building it was obviously affiliated with Fox. They're on FS
one and Fox all the time. Big East is so
the two teams that the next two teams out of
your league that don't make the NCAA, they're basically mandated
to go to this tournament. Well, the tournament is two
weeks after the season ends. So Villanova is now saying,

(01:43:17):
all right, wait a second, do we need a new coach.
We're supposed to play in this tournament in Vegas. It's
two weeks. It's just a mess. It's a bad it's
just a bad situation.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
Yeah, but yeah, the Crown, it's like, what are we
doing there?

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
And those kids might not want to be practicing for
two weeks for.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
That, that's right, Yeah, that's right. Some of these guys
are going, you know, they're going to go try to
play pro basketball. They have a lot of seniors on
the team. So yeah, it's just it. It's a messy situation.
But you know what, go to New York, win the
biggest tournament. You won't have any problems.

Speaker 5 (01:43:52):
The problem the problem with VILLAINO and I don't mean
the problem with Villanova, but the problem at Villanova is
there are people rooting against Kyle and and you know that,
Dick and I know that because they and that's not right.
I mean, I understand the sentiment, but you know, Jay
Wright ain't walking through that door. And that doesn't mean
you can't get another guy who can take them to

(01:44:12):
really good heights and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
But to me, you root for Kyle.

Speaker 5 (01:44:17):
Yeah, there's probably people saying, my god, if he makes
a tournament, then we got them for two more years.
Well that ain't the way you got to approach this.
You got to say, hey, no, no, this is our team.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
This is what we're so.

Speaker 7 (01:44:27):
Yeah, there's an actual bright spot here. They made the tournament.
It just goes to show how spoiled, uh they've been
with Jay Right on entitled entitled I don't hear any complaining. Okay,
you're searching.

Speaker 5 (01:44:41):
The before Jay won the two titles they were entitled.

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
Villanova has always been that school and that's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:44:51):
They whatever they and now that just made it work.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
I'll give him.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
I'll give Villanova fans credit though they showed up last
night at uh at that game.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
I'm not saying the bad fans, John, I'm just saying
that is an extremely passionate fan base exactly, probably probably
the best fans in the city.

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
I mean, maybe just a little close. Not that when St.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
Jose. You've seen Saint Jose when they're good. Yeah, but
they can be pretty fanatical. Yeah, you're right now, not.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
Recently, You're right. We got to get out of here. Uh.
Next week I'll be talking to you guys from Stay
College before Petts State plays Maryland Saturday, I'll be talking
to you from Madison, Wisconsin. The follows Saturday, I'll be
in the city. I'll be with you guys. So it's
all good.

Speaker 5 (01:45:37):
You'll beat the Big ten tournament that that's follow I.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
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