Sports Here, There, & Everywhere w/ Dick Jerardi & Mike Kern - 03/01/25 - Sports Here, There, & Everywhere

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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Wood studios Kyle Nutnemaker and Mike kern Over in b
not Balikan would in Ben Salem at Parks and then yeah,

(00:55):
I don't know why I said, yeah, that's Kyle should
be last. We shouldn't even mention Kyle.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
No, no, no, no, that's perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
And the state state College is also Dick Girardi as well.
Dick Girardi, I'll start with you, how are we looking
in state college for penn State and Maryland today?

Speaker 4 (01:14):
They're like a five to six point underdog Maryland has
had a great season. They lost a brutal game with
Michigan State the other night when where Michigan State had
a half court.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Shot, yeah Jesus to win it.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
That kind of eliminated Maryland from any chance to win
the regular season title. Penn State is now John and
guys lost nine games that were decided in the last minute,
and unfortunately it's just ruined their season. Essentially. With Northwestern
beating Iowa last night, they have to win their last
two games to have any shot to get to the

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Big Ten tournament. That means beating Maryland today and then
winning at the Coal Center in Madison next Saturday. And
Penn State total wins at the Coal Center in the
history of the building zero, So that's.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Good, Yeah, the first time for everything.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
There you go. Yeah, this is a pretty good team
that's not going to get to play even in their
conference tournament just because they just haven't been able to
win the close games. And it's been one thing after another,
just unfortunate a lot, and they're losing the senior day
to day, and they're losing five seniors who are really
the heart of the program. And in the two years
they've been together, they're going to end up being about

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five hundred. Last year was understandable. This year again, I
thought they could contend for the top of the league
and it just didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Stick. What was the game like in at Maryland on
febru eleven, I mean it was a six point final.
Did they have a chance in that game?

Speaker 4 (02:42):
At where Mike? They haven't played they haven't played Maryland,
they haven't played in Maryland.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well, I'm looking no, no, no, I'm looking at something different.
My bed, my bed when I called.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Yeah. Now, it's kind of weird the way the schedule
is now because you only have three two plays. They
played Indian Toys, Rutgers twice in Minnesota Toys just because
you know, the eighteen teams in the league. Now this
is the first and only time they played Maryland, and
next Saturday be the first and only time they played Wisconsin.
That's just that's just how the league is now because
of all these teams. It to little little nuts. But yeah,

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I mean, lookink, the last game of the regular season
last year up here was against Maryland. They crushed them.
But that the only player left from that Maryland team
is Julian Reese Angel Reese's brother. But they got Derrek Queen,
the great freshman from Baltimore, and they got three really
live transfers playing playing on the wings. And Maryland was
one of the worst three point shooting teams in the

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country last year twenty nine percent. This year they're up
at thirty seven, so they're they're very good. And they
have lost seven games by twenty seven points. I mean
they've had a chance literally to win every game they played.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
So mar sums up what college sports are now. You know,
maybe you're not so good. Yeah, can get a great
freshman get.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeah, yeah, No, that's the new game. Is funny. I
was I saw Rick Pattino uh talking about recruiting. He says,
we're not recruiting any high school players. He says, we're
just we lose We lose three seniors, really good players,
and you can't replace them with high school players. So
that's that's one of the other downsides of the of

(04:23):
the n i L and all that is that and
transfer portal, is that high school players are really getting
left out of this. Obviously that's not the case of
football because you need players, but more so in basketball,
where one or two players can change everything.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
It sounds like a win now mentality. It's like the
professional teams going to veterans.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Well you don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Sound like, yeah, exactly get thirty eight year old free agents.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yes, yeah, good, good analogy. Yeah, so let's let's start
off with that. John, You well, we're obviously going to
spend a lot of time on college. So we've got
Noble in the air coming up, plus win game against
Butler where they're obviously a solid favorite in the game.
But who knows at this stage what's gonna happen. But
if they finally announced the inevitable. Yesterday Joel Embi had

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gone for the season. Six Ers have lost nine in
a row. They're basically playing for lottery position. Mike, I've
been waiting all week to hear you go off on this.
So we'll let you lose on the whole, Joe LMB
six years, process fiasco, whatever.

Speaker 6 (05:29):
You want to call.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
It's weird. The last you know, since the Super Bowl,
you have the post Super Bowl with Phillis. You know
we're not going to get into them for a while.
The Flyers and a Flyers. Yeah, you sit there and
you see you have more time. This is my concern
with this situation, not that this year is going to
be lost. We knew that whatever what is next year

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or the year after going to be Is he ever
going to play again or play anything close to the
league He's not.

Speaker 7 (05:58):
Going to be the thirty six points scorer. I'm assuming.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Uh, that's my concern because this franchise has two of
the worst contracts, if not the two worst contracts in
the entire.

Speaker 7 (06:10):
League, in Joe and Paul Drew.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
And why they gave him that extension, ill those six
doctors or whoever they talk to that said you can
manage this, you can well, well they were wrong, and
they were wrong in a big time way. And anybody
who watched the Olympics last summer could see that that
he wasn't. He had the one real good game in
the semifinal where they needed him actually, but again, but

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we all thought, Okay, he's going to be okay by October.
You know by October he'll fit. Well, No, and this
has been It's sad. I mean, part of it is sad.
But again, they can't win without Joe. So if and
I know, if he retires at some point, I don't
think Joe's thinking about retiring.

Speaker 7 (06:52):
Like right this minute as we speak.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
But if he does retire, I think they do get
some kind of a break on his contract. You have
to wait like a year or some I don't understand
all the ramifications of it.

Speaker 7 (07:02):
But the future, to me, Dick is what scares me.
It's not this year.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
You throw this fear away, okay, whatever, we didn't see
him going far anyway. But and this goes all back
to all the things you talked about in the offseason
when they were signing these guys, and they were signing
to win. Now, that's what this season was about. We're
gonna try to win now. And I mean they've had
an inordinate amount of injuries. I mean not just to

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Joe and Paul, but I mean a lot of guys.
But this is just like and they keep I still
think when you hear them say things, they're delusional.

Speaker 7 (07:36):
They just are. They refuse to accept the fact of
what it is.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
And his let's say he doesn't have a procedure, okay,
and they try to rehabit or do whatever which hasn't worked.
But if he does have a procedure, at some point
in another month, may or whatever, he ain't gonna be
ready to go till the All Star Break next year.
I'm guessing. So, I don't know, I'm just I'm just
kind of at this point deflate it.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Well, yeah, I mean it's tough not to be deflated
because everybody and their mother could see that he needed
to be shut down a month and a half ago,
two months ago, I mean he did when he did
play that. Yeah, when he did play, you could tell
he had nothing. His feet couldn't leave the floor, they
couldn't jump, he couldn't do what Joel Embiid does best.

(08:20):
And they just held on by a thread to try.
And I can't help but think they just held on
by a thread to not wave the white flag because
they wanted to get butts and seats. And now it's
gotten such to a bad point where they're not selling
tickets anyway that they're like, Okay, we need to end
this thing and wave the white towel and end the season.

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But like to Mike's point, you waited so long that
now it might infringe upon next season, which is very
which is so concerning, and it just adds to the
dysfunction of this organization.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
John, go ahead your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's pretty bleak, like the wording
of it, you know, long term health, all this stuff,
like it's bleak. That it doesn't seem like they there
is much optimism, I would say about Embiid ever getting
back to a certain kind of playing level that he
was at before and just like a year ago.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
So that that's bleak.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
But you know, and I hate to put everything on
ping pong balls because the last time the Sixers did
that and we're really playing for the lottery, it didn't
really work out all that well. And we're here now
where we are in the position we are now because
of just playing for the lottery. But there's like a
way out now that seems like the Sixers could actually
be able to get like this kickstarted. Whatever this process is,

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whether it's being able to get rid of Embid, whether
it's trying to keep it with Embiid and trying to
stick out the remaining like three to five years, whatever
it is, there seems like there's a kickstart now if
they can get a really good top pick in the
NBA draft. And I know that's a hard thing to
think about, and it's a really it's up in the
air because it's only a percentage that you can get

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this in the six right now. The chances of them
getting a number one or number two pick are very low.
But we're in that territory now where that that is
now the way out. That's like the light at the
end of the tunnel kind of thing. And the sixers
are are Unfortunately they're in that that is something.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
They're in that sweep stakes. So that that.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
But there is no but I think John John John,
but they much chance of getting they have as much
chance of getting knocked out of a draft pick or
if not your getting the draft picks.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
They're losing a lot of though, like they're they're in
that terrance.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Half you No, they can't catch the last three teams.
The last three teams are of fourteen are off the charge.
All I'm saying is what do you do with Joe?
He's got four years left. Who is trading for Joe? No, buddy?
And if they do, what are you getting back? You're
getting nothing? And then you got Paul George, your second

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best player, who stinks. Now, whether it's the injuries or
he's old, I have no idea, but he thinks, and
you're wasting tyrees. MAXI, who at some point is going
to look around and say, oh my god, like, really
what am I doing here? And you know, but again,
I know we have to be optimistic about something. But
I can see them being back in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
They got a couple of thoughts from me, Yeah, a
couple of thoughts from me. Again, Mike, I don't argue
with any of that, I feel. You know, MD, We've
said this before on the show, is one of the most,
if not the most skilled seven footer in basketball history.
He's right up there with like a keen Elajuan, Kareem
Abdul Jabbar, just this pure basketball skilled and he's obviously

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was a great defender, was a key to their defense
when they were good. So you feel bad that you're
not going to ever see that again. And I don't
think we are ever going to see that again. And
anybody that tells you they know what's going to happen,
how his knees going to be is making it up
at this point. So and Mike made the best point
of all at the beginning, What in the world were
they doing signing him to this extension when who was

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who was going to offer himself? Who was trading for
him he wasn't a free agent for a while. Just
didn't make any sense. I don't I don't understand. That's
another saddled with that, so it's a complete mess. John
is not wrong when he says the only light out
there is the possibility and it's a long shot getting right,

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very dim light of somehow getting up to the top
of the draft and watching college hoops this year, and
I don't know the international player, so I'm not I
can't say anything about that. The only game changer to
me is Cooper Flagg. He's that good. He's just a
freak show. If somehow, some way, and you know, it's like,
I don't know, two percent chance whatever the number is

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the lottery balls, then yeah that then yes, then you
have a new star to build around for the future.
But the tenths of them getting him are very very
slip to be sure, And more likely is Mike just
said that they'll fall the seven, eight, nine and lose
the pick a tyre uh.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
And there's a good chance that happens.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
But I will say the Hawks last year had a
I think there were number ten. They had like a
three percent chance of getting the number one pick and
got it.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
So it's it's a chance and I last job. Yeah,
to me, it is a long job.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
I know it's a long shot, but that's like there
is a way out now, but it's a very small
chance of happening.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
That's it. That Yeah, that's it, and that's something. And
they're look, they're gonna lose. Whether they're trying to lose
or not, at this point, they're just they're just gonna lose. Yeah,
I mean they've lost on it.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Let's put it into let's put it into realization and here, yes,
I'm sorry. I was just gonna say, let's be realist
here and not drive off of pure optimism. What it
comes down to is they're gonna they're not gonna have
the draft pick this year, and then you just got
to figure out what you're gonna do with EMBI next
year and how you're gonna what you're gonna do in

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the off season to try and bulk this team up
and and and make them relevant in the beginning of
the season. Because we're not going to get Cooper Flagg.
Let's I think we got to throw that out the window.
It's not gonna happen. So what do you do with
embiid and how do you make this team, uh, for
lack of better terms presentable, uh to start out the

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season next year because you're they really, you know, handcuffed
themselves with these contracts, so it's going to be very
difficult to try and sell this team in the beginning
of the season.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
You hope that the rookie from Duke comes found. You
hope that maybe Embids not out to Dick can John
Maybe you might, You guys might not.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
So if the Sixers.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Can they only get the first, second or third pick,
or could they pick like fifth, I think they get
the fall Okay, what I'm.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Saying is I should let me take that back. I
think it may be one, two, three, and then everybody
falls a bit worse's.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, yep, Let's say they don't get one, but they
get two or three. I'm not even sure whoever they
would take it. Two or three would make a difference.
I mean, at least not right away.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
I don't know this.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
The two guys from the two guys from Rutgers are
really good, Dick, Yeah, but they play they don't play.
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah. Harper is probably more NBA ready than Bailey at
this point. But he's also okay, they have they have guards,
although he's a power point guard, yes, which they don't have. Uh.
You know, he doesn't play any defense, but neither does
anybody else at Rutgers this year. That's been their problem.
They can't guard anybody. Uh. And Bailey, to me, he's
he's a possibility to be really good.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
He's a phenomenal skill level, but he's not close to
being ready to help anybody yet, I don't think. But yeah,
they're they're gonna be. I think Harper is probably number
two at the moment, although what I've seen, but Blagg
is the one guy, and I've seen enough that uh,
and he's the guy. He is unbelievable he is and

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I've watched even some of him playing against pros on
some tape, and I mean more than held his own.
So he's gonna be able to walk into the league
and be an immediate like eighteen and ten guy like overnight.
I don't think he's gonna need any He's not gonna
need any help. He's ready now. But yeah, the rest
of the guys, I don't know what to reopen. And

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the six yers need help. The real.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, the real sad part of walters to me and
maybe we kind of Joe had four years, three and
a half of years where he was as good as
and Dick. You alluded to this earlier, like with his
skill set incredible, he was as good as anybody, and
no player in NBA history. He'd be on the short
list of great three and a half year runs. He

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lost twice to year each he won it, and he
probably would have won it. Last year he was averaging
thirty six points a game.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
I mean more than minutes, right, it's more points than.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Minutes exactly how much makes it difference?

Speaker 3 (17:03):
We'll never see that again, I mean we will. He
might play. I mean, look, he scored thirty points a
game this year. Thirty points I think gets the Knicks
one game or somebody. He came back, so he will
have moments where he'll but he but if you've watched
him the last month when he did play, it's just
it's not even fair.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's sad. So sad.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
I do want too because I've been trying to figure
out this NBA a lot of everything. So it's the
first four picks that are NBA Lottery. So it's the
first four, then five through fourteen, are the order of
I guess the remaining teams and the records, so right now, yeah,
five through fourteen is where they just go in order.

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But the Sixers right now are the sixth team record wise,
the sixth worst record. They have a nine percent chance.
Teams one through three have a fourteen percent chance, Team
four is at twelve and a half percent chance, and
team five.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Ten and a half percent.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
So the sec to get to one pick or to
get yeah, I think that's just the number one pick.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Or I think if one of the teams, let's say
there's six, let's just say they definished six and and
the number nineteen moves up into the top four the Sixers. Yeah, right,
And that's the problem. That's not the problem of the
Sixers necessarily moving up. It's the problem of somebody behind
them moving up. That's where Mike the mike.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
If they don't get number one, it doesn't really matter
that much. You know, two or three would be nice.
But if you're like, you know, six, seven, eight, nine, irrelevant.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
It is.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
And again that's the that's the the only optimism you
can have is that Cooper Fly changes in a franchise
an organization and the.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Sixers are are in that sweet stakes. They are, they
are part of it.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Now.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Obviously it's a long shot and you can't really bank
on that happening, but it's it's the only way out
I can.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
When if the Sixers ever.

Speaker 7 (18:58):
Moved up to one?

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Thing?

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Right?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, when are the Sixers ever moved up to number
one and got the right guy? Okay? When they got
Allen Iverson? That was the year Tim Duncan decided to
stay in school, okay, or Tim Duncan would have been here, Okay,
he said no, I'll wait a year. They get and
now look, Allen's the Hall of Fame, or he got
him to the finals. I'm not knocking down. They got

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Ben Simmons at one, and Ben Simmons was the only
people can go back and say they should have taken this. No, no, no, no,
no no. Now. Ben Simmons was the pick for all
his faults, He was the pick for four years, for
three years he was good, you know, he for whatever faults.
Number one pick. So it's not like the Sixers have
ever been at one and gotten a Cooper five. So

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that's why I to what happened.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Mike, weren't they had one one year and they the.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Brad Doty, the Brad Dorty year when they traded Malone. Yeah,
they had the number one pick. They could have taken
can Brad Doherty, who was like a seven time All
Star if I remember correctly, they said.

Speaker 7 (20:06):
No, we'll trade him for Roy Hitchin.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Roy Roy Hitchins because there's twenty two points against the
Sixers here.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
That's what the Sixers do, John, what's the what's the
percentage again of them getting into the top four and
potentially number one? What's lower than number So just.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
For the number one pick, it's nine percent.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
So the number that's actually not that's actually not horrible, John.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
There's there's that's a ten to one shot. There's worse
things than the worst tend to one shots coming all
the time. Uh So this time, Mike, I can I
can tell you this. They can't screw this up.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
There's only one time.

Speaker 7 (20:43):
No, But you know what's going to happen, Dick.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
They're gonna get the number one pick and they're not
gonna take Cooper.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
They're going to get the number two pick. That's what
fine player, you know they'll get that guy Harper whatever
you're telling me, but being Cooper flag and Cooper's gonna
end up going to some donkey team, you know, I mean, Mike,
you you brought this up last week.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
Don't look now, but uh, san Antonio is losing.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
Yeah, if they we and Cooper fly first.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Flags to be on the sixers, like that is the
one thing. It'd be great to watch Cooper flag every
single game is a sixer. But also Cooper flag next
to Wemby is also that is that is enticing.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
I would watch that.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Let me throw this at you guys, Yes, Darren would
be the happiest guy in best on. One of the
stories I thought that got a little underreported was this
thing with Wemby. Okay, this is what ended Chris Bosh's career. Okay,
and I understand maybe, but this is serious. This is
not like a tour. No, it's not like so if

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this happens again next year, his career could be in jeopardy.
And that's he's frightening you.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, I surely hope that doesn't happen because I want
to I want to see him because he's going to
be an all time, all time or if he could
have a long fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Oh, there's no doubt you're telling no doubt.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
I mean, he's gonna go down as one of the
all time brads.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
I didn't see any to do that before. When they
got dumb, they got dumb. They had Robinson right and
he got hurt for a year, and then they got
Duncan and then they won five titles.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Worked out pretty well for that and managing Nobly and
Tony Parker l oh my god, oh had this squads?
Are you kidding me? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:43):
And two of them were second round picks, two of
them were number one picks, and two of them were
And I remember for years, Dick, this used to bother me.
And I know we knew some of the people in
the sixths and they were good people. I mean, and
I'm not going to mention names because it doesn't And
we would say every year, why don't you have any
European players, like all the and you were deep? Uh

(23:04):
were you on the floor me and you on the
floor of the Spectrum or was the Wels whatever it was?

Speaker 4 (23:10):
It was the spect.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
And they didn't take Vlady Devots to take a guy
from Louisville. Kenny Payne was an All Star and that's
and it was the eighteenth pick. The header seventeenth pick
or something. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
You know what, it's a great story. You know why
they took Kenny Payne, Guys because he hit every shot
in Harrold Pad's driveway.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Well, that's why he took Hinson. No, Hinson was because
he scored twenty two points a game against the.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
Killed. They just didn't They just didn't bother to watch
the rest of the games.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
He couldn't score that, John, Think about this, John. They
could have had Brad Doherty and Moses Malone on the
same Now it was an older Moses, okay, I mean,
you know, on the same front line with Julius Irving
as a and he was a older I mean, they
were getting older and Barkley, Barkley was on that team

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at all, still playing.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
It was it was the guy. Wasn't that long ago
that they they got from the Lakers that never played
a game? The center?

Speaker 3 (24:15):
What the hell is the big guy? And Andrew buying them?

Speaker 7 (24:19):
But he danced real good, He danced real well.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
He injured himself bowling.

Speaker 7 (24:23):
Only only the Sixers can do that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
I'm serious. It's just it's one of those franchises that
has just been Remember when they took you and I
were on the radio when they took Jerry Stockhouse and
we thought that was great. We were sitting there going,
oh my god, they got Jerry Stockins. Rasheed Wallace went
to pick after you know. And and they were always
trying to find the running mate for which you know

(24:51):
what you had to do. That's what you had to do,
just like they were trying to find the running mate
for Ben for for a couple of years.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
And I got a I got a sick. So the
guy that owns the Sixers also owns Washington right, the
Commanders right and so and the Devil, so he knows,
you know, he's following football football team had a good youth.
Why doesn't he hire Howie Roseman to be the gentleal
manager of the Sixers just and take guys from like

(25:20):
Kentucky and Alburg and all the schools win all the games.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
He sounds sound strategy to me. That's fine.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
And they did it one time with Maxie and it
worked out pretty well, so I'm okay with that.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
But at least they got the guy from Duke last
year and I worked out pretty well. Yeah, And that
was and that was a great pick. I didn't know.
I didn't know enough about jar Mcca. Look he turned
out to be you know, he was going to be
working in the year if he had got hurt. He
was having a great one.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, and that's OK.

Speaker 7 (25:50):
For was from Duke too.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
No, I know not all that's true. Isn't Nerlins Noel
from Kentucky?

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, this was the only Kentucky player in the last
thirty years.

Speaker 7 (26:03):
It wasn't good exactly.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I just I need the Sixers to get normal players.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
I just can't.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Every single player they have signed has just for some
reason gone off the deep end. And here's Paul George
going on his podcast and doing this whole. I can't
do the remainder of the podcast for the season because
I gotta help. I gotta get my mind and body
right to help the Sixers make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Like that is that is the That is ridiculous. That
is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my mind.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Marks, Why are you doing this?

Speaker 1 (26:32):
The Sixers just can't get normal players. Can we all
just be normal? Not be the weirdest?

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Honest?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
One name for you, guys, one name for you, Zire Smith,
Yer Smith. And I know why they made the trade
because they wanted the twenty seventh draft pick that they
that they ended up using to get Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 7 (26:53):
So I understand their logic, but you do.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
There was no saying in their mind when you are draft, yeah,
take players, but they they had their eye.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
On Jimmy Butler and they were idiots. They're morons. But
when you are fortunate enough to draft a McHale Bridges
with that tenth pick, which is exactly what they which
is exactly what everybody in the NBA needs, not just them.
That's the player you tried to get, the.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Need they really need, they really needed. Just that's the
biggest mistake they made. If they had kept him, we
would not be having this conversation. They'd have been well
passed round two a number of times if they just
kept him with the core players that they had. But
they blew it. They choked. They get.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
And I think as well with with all these things,
because like Paul George is just another Paul George, James
Harden to Ben Simmons, all of it is is so
odd and these players come in and the situation feels weird.
Things just go sideways. They aren't the same player that
they were coming in. And I know a lot of
that could be age or whatever, the style of play,
all of those factors. But I also think because you

(28:09):
Dick Dretti mentioned the Eagles and they it seems like
everybody they bring in turns out good.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Like that's an organization thing. That's an organization thing of
the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
No, definitely, but they've also hit on a lot of
draft picks. They hit on a lot of free agency
signings like an Ouper Bowl right, an alarming rate and
the Sixers. Every time they bring in somebody it just
doesn't work out. And the bringing in good players, to me,
that's organization. They're just not seeing whether it's absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
John. But four years ago people were ready to get
rid of Howie because Howie was having a bad couple
of years.

Speaker 7 (28:42):
Justin Jefferson's up in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
This year they signed Devin White and they signed what
was the other guy from the Jets. They stunk, But
he went and got a pog the linebacker. He went
and drafted the two cornerbacks. So he again, how he's
great right now? He could be God, I get it,
but he can't. Just it's not as simple as just

(29:04):
saying Halle might have a bad draft this year for
all we know. I don't know what he's but he
had a great draft last year, so in the last
couple of so it's definitely.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
It's not simple.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
But the thing is that it's a healthy organization that
is able to build and be able to develop players
and to be able to give him a situation to
where they can grow or at least fit. And the Sixers,
to me, don't do that. It's I don't know what
it is and I can't pinpoint it, but that's it.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Just that's it. Moratory among the such as. We're done
for this show. I can't take it anymore. We're going
to take a break. College hoops, lots of it, big games,
Villanova nude on our air, obviously significance for them. They
didn't win every game. They can say Joe's plays. They're
trying to get into fourth and the eighth ten. The

(29:52):
rest of the city not good, and we'll get into
the national games. A lot of good ones. Today we're
only two weeks away from selection Sunday. It's two weeks
from tomorrow for those just stops. Two weeks correct. Were
regular season ends next week and some conference tournaments are

(30:13):
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(31:53):
Before we move on, because I know we want to
talk some college basketball. I know there's some other things
we want to get to, but I just want to
throw out there. I am all in and completely infatuated
by the twenty twenty five Lakers with Luka Doncic.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
What about that?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
They're good as a Lakers, They're good?

Speaker 4 (32:11):
What I.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Just doing a tremendous job.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yes he is, he really is, Yes he is?

Speaker 4 (32:18):
Yep heh. Lebron's playing great. He looks like he's thirty
instead of forty or whatever the hell hell rold he
is show don Chic is spitting in just fine, their
defense great.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Think about the West in the NBA, right, yeah, you
got lokc is obviously really really good.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
The Lakers now are coming on Golden State. Looks like
they could be a factor. So I'll go down there
and the.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Mother seven and one with Butler, and there is South
tonight for the late game. And Steph Curry rediscovered the
fat of youth the other night. What do you have?
Fifty four in Orlando?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Twelve twelve three, twelve six.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Ridiculous fifty six just the Grizzlies.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
I believe we're still in second place in the West
if I'm not mistaken. And by the way, right there
have won like hand because Murray is still there. And
by the way, that this center had nineteen assists the
other night, you know what, Sarah had nineteen assists. Well
that's it.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, okay, I'm always sad.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just ridiculous again, but yeah, it's
a good point. But yeah, Golden States in town tonight.
You get she has to get down there. See Steph Curry,
who's thirty six and playing like he's twenty six.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
Uh, the Sixers are I think tickets are buy one,
get one.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
I would think so ye, I would think tickets would
not be hard to come by tonight staying there. But
that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
You're a good observer. What is it about Jimmy that
when he goes to another team it seems like the
team gets whatever they get up?

Speaker 4 (33:57):
You know about yeah? Right? Is he really helps her
team defense and that that's one of the biggest problems
for anybody. So is a great team defender. And you
know what to Mike, when he goes to a new team,
he's not angry in anybody until two years go by
and then he gets angry again. So whatever team he

(34:18):
goes to the new one. And I think that was
Golden State's period. I don't even think Steve Kerr and
his guys really even knew him. They just knew they
weren't going anywhere as they were, so they said, let's
just take a shot. What's the worst that can happen?
Because they wanted they would like to make one more
run because look, once Steph Curry leaves and I don't
know that he's leaving NTIP soon, you know, there's they're
starting their starting over because I mean he's like he's moved.

(34:40):
He's clearly moved into my all time top ten greatest
players list. Yeah, I don't know exactly where to rank him,
but he's he's on the list.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
And they wanted to they wanted to run right, which
is what they really wanted. And then no, I don't
want to go there and.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
Back. Uh yeah, I don't know that. Like I'm not sure.
Question he might be. I don't know what his counting
numbers are specifically, he could he could very well be.
But yeah, I know I know what they steph. Curry's
in all of it, like fast, like as soon as
he's eligible fast. Yeah, just complete and Saturday. How great

(35:23):
a player is?

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Change players change the game? Yeah, he will change the
game because they had changed rules. Will Cinder changed the game? Uh,
they change rules. Uh, I'm trying to think of other
players and the way stuff changed the game. Totally change
the game, like it's not the game we knew fifteen

(35:45):
years ago.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yeah, I mean Will, they had to change rules and
al Sender had to change rules. What they did, what
Curry has done is changed the way the game is played. Right,
that that's the that's the difference thing. He's just it's
the game is, as you said, is completely different from
what it was when he first started playing basketball. Let's
do some college too. Let's stop WELLONOVA first. Uh, they

(36:06):
are at where are they? Wells Fargo on campus to
Wells Fargo.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
The last home was last week. So they're at the
Finn for the last game at home.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Okay, okay, so noon game at beth Park's. Nova's six
and a half over Butler games on our air at noon.
Butler is just like hanging around. They're not very good
under fat model in the second year. They haven't been
any good since Bratt Stevens left. Really Nova was supposed
to win, but I'll tell you what, they're hard to watch.

(36:35):
The game the other night when they've beat Seton Hall
fifty n unwatchable.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
They were losing at halftime.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah, against the team that can't score. So it's hard
to have a lot of confidence. John, What do you
I mean, you're you're our NOVA expert here at the moment,
since Mike and I aren't. Just this is what used
to be? What do what are you thinking? Is they
hit down the stretcher?

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I mean, I guess the The one good thing I
will say about the Seaton All game is it was
a road game. It was coming off of a Marquette win.
So that's a game that they have lost primarily all season,
especially in conference.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
It's why they're ten and eight in conference.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
They have maybe some of the best conference wins, but
the problem is it's always followed up by one of
the worst conference losses. So it's a good thing that
they were able to avoid that. But the only reason
they avoided it is because Seaton Hall is a very,
very bad basketball squad, and so the Bilinova played that
bad game, they got through it.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
They had a really good second half.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I think they're gonna win out in the last two
games potentially. I think they win today, especially at home.
I think they'll be good in the finn and good
against Butler. They had that really one, really bad game.
It's the most inconsistent team I've ever seen. They could
beat almost anybody in college basketball. They can lose to
anybody in college basketball. It's wild the kind of the
way it flows for them. But I think they win here.

(37:52):
I think they win out the rest of the regular season,
and it's really up to I think a deep run
in the biggest tournament to see whether or not they
can make thee.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Their best players hurt, Mike Thomas Sober, the kids from
Archbishop Bryant's after the East. So they're they're in trouble.
Uh No Novus seventeen and twelve ten at eight in
the Big East, they're like right behind Zavi for fifth,
which is another bye. I don't know if they're going
to get there in that Xavier place. Creighton today, look,
get Akison had more than half the points. My problem
is forget this year, whatever this is going to end up.

(38:27):
I mean, all their good players are gone. Uh. This
is a program in desperate need of a reset. I
don't see how the coach is going to get through this.
I know we've said I'd like to see who survived.
I don't see how that's going to happen at this point.
Regardless of what happens, barring them going to New York
and winning the Big East Tournament, I do not see
them getting to the semifinals and beating some combination of Marquette,

(38:48):
Creighton and Saint John's back to back. I don't see.
I just don't see that happening. So let's let's move
on to some of the other teams in the city.
Saint Jose is eighteen and ten nine at six and
the eight ten they're in a fourth place tie. They
have they have some talent. I mean if the kid
Fleming is a first round draft choice, so they I
don't know why they lose some of the games that

(39:10):
they do loose, but they to me, VCU is the
first in the Atlantic ten and Atlanta is only going
to get one bit whoever wins in tournament. A long
way from five big of the league like it used
to be way back in the day. Any any thoughts
on the Hawks as they and I'm not even going
to talk about any other teams in the city because
nobody else in the city has a chance to do

(39:31):
anything at this point. Any thoughts on the Hawks? Can
they go to go to wherever the hell the eight
ten tournament is? I guess it's in Brooklyn. I should know, but.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I don't know if they have a shot of winning
it because VCU looks amazing.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
VC looks they do the.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yep it was George Mason was the top of the
league and VCS caught him. Yeah, and they're to tie
for fourth, Mike, like a three way tie. They play
at Warden today.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I mean fourth team. If you if you're four or five,
what did you play VCU in the semis?

Speaker 7 (40:08):
What thinking is if you could get to.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
The final and maybe lose a close game to VCU
and maybe things around the country break a certain way,
and you're sitting there for twenty wanted to win.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
That they got They got no chance. Okay, yeah, they
just they have they have nothing in the non conference,
they think, I mean, let me take that back. I
think they'd beat Texas Tech way back when it was
either Texas Tech or Tech.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
That's a good win.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
That is a good win. So I shouldn't say they
have nothing. That's not fair. But yeah they're not. They're
not even on the radar of Joe Minardi and he's
a state chips.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
They have to win, Yeah, they would have to win
the correct So.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Let's go to let's go to Nationville. Here's the here's
a thought for everybody that nobody's even talked about. So
Zaga has made the SCA Tournament every year. Mark he
has been the coach, and markha is a finalist for
the Hall of Fame and Mark hew is getting into
the Hall of Fame. Uh. The only reason to wait
as long as you got to be coach for twenty
five years. They are twenty two and eight, thirteen and four.
They've been swept by Saint Mary's. They play San Francis

(41:09):
at San Francisco tonight, where they're not in alf point
favorites per second in that league, they've lost to West Virginia,
Oregon State, Santa Clara, Saint Mary's twice. They're only good
wins are over bought over Baylor, who'd be one on
one sixty three. But Baylor's sixteen and twelve eighty nine Indiana,

(41:31):
I guess is a good win eighty nine seventy three.
They're seventeen and eleven eight nine in their league. They
lost by point to Kentucky sixty Yukon and three to UCLA,
so good losses count. They got some of them. There's
a chance Gonzaga is not making the tournament for the
first time in Mark Fugh's career. Any thoughts on these
Zags as we hit the final week of the say
and this is the final day of the regular season

(41:53):
in that league they start their tournaments.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Good things deck all good things eventually come. I mean,
Carolina had streaks, Doc had streaks. Almost every great programs
had streaks and then at some point, you know, people forever.
I mean, Gonzaga has been one of the great stories
in college basketball really absolutely the last couple of decades,

(42:18):
especially early on when they were the real underdogs, you
know they were, and then they kind of became the
over dogs. But yeah, I mean, look, I don't know
if Gonzagia gets any special uh whatever, because they're Gonzaga, SA.
They're probably going to have to beat Saint Mary's I guess.
And that's one of the great rivalries in basketball to
people in the East Coast do know about. Yeah, and

(42:41):
that's not going to be played anymore, right, because Gonzaga
is moving out of the leg right.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Yeah, they're going to the Pac twelve or whatever whatever
that's going to be called pay teams. They have what
I didn't realize, so I looked at it last night,
Ark and State and Washington State are playing in the
West Coast conferences at basketball. I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
What was her daughter have a two team conference?

Speaker 4 (43:04):
No, I get it. They had to play each other
fifteen times. That would have been that is.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
It is odd seeing them in the standings for the
West Coast Conference.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
It's hot, right, and they'll all be out of it
this year and they're begin going to be joined by
a bunch of other teams and the reconstituted Pacific whatever
number of teams that they're going to have in the end.
A couple of games today maybe the most interesting of
all for those who like opposites Tennessee and Alabama. Today.

(43:32):
Oh yeah, Tennessee's minus four at home against Alabama. This
is one of the two top two or three defenses
in the country against the best offense in the country
scoring wise. I mean, Alberd's got the best efficiency. But
John will start with you. Any thoughts on Tennessee giving
four to Alabama. Tennessee wants to play in the sixties.

(43:55):
Alabama wants to play in the hundreds.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah, they do, and they've they've done that. They did
it last game. They scored one hundred and eleven points
against Mississippi State. I guess so I.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Would say that I kind of would like Alabama in
this matchup because I think they're just gonna make teams
run no matter what, and Tennessee is just gonna have
to maybe try and keep up with it, and they
potentially could because it's not like Alabama's defense is any good,
And if you're gonna have a high possion game, Tennessee
is gonna score. But I just think it's really tough
to do that, probably in the road and in that
environment against Tennessee's defense. So I'm gonna go with the

(44:27):
volunteers here. I actually like Tennessee three and a half.
I just think being at home in that environment maybe
will end up slowing the game down a little bit
in this one and limit Alabama's possessions just slightly.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, I'm always a fan of teams that are getting
points that could score, and so therefore I would like
Alabama in that game. And I'm just partial teams to score. Look,
Rick Barnes has made a career out of it, taking
teams out of what they do and making teams score
like twenty thirty points less than they average. That's what
he does. It's ultimately why he's been a really good

(45:03):
coach for a long time, but why he can never
get all the way to the finish line because his
team's just they just can't score enough points and you
can't win in modern college basketball, you've been winning sixty
two to sixty all the time. It's just that it
just brings too often.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Reminds me of change teams at Temple. You know, we
we said many of the same things, like they could get,
they could go, and they could screw teams up real bad. Yeah,
but eventually you got to score, and they usually ran
kind of run into that problem at times.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Probably, you know, yeah, probably the day's anybody got any
other thoughts on that game, Kyle, Mike.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
And Uh, I was just gonna yeah, yeah, I was
gonna lean with with you, Dick. With Bama, that's you know,
a high flying team getting points ye and scores one
hundred points a game. Yeah, I think eventually Tennessee is
gonna have to score.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Not only do they play good defense, but their offense,
like you just mentioned, they don't score a lot of points.
They're in the sixties and seventies a lot. This is
a game where I think they're gonna have to hit
eighty to keep pace with Alabama, and with Bama getting points,
I'm gonna take the offense in this.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I know defense wins championships, but.

Speaker 7 (46:18):
We're not there yet.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
I think Tennessee's gonna have to put put up some
offense to keep pace with Bama.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
And I've got no real you know, it's two real
good teams. It could be playing a long time in
the tournament. But I'll make it too too. I'll go
with John. How many points, Dick, do you think Alabama's
courts today?

Speaker 4 (46:36):
It probably, I would say in the high seventies would
be my guest. I don't think they're gonna score sixty,
but they're not gonna score one hundred.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, And that Senior Day I'm guessing at Tennessee. I'm
guessing that Senior Day at Tennessee. So I don't know
how much, but that place will be nuts. It'll be
nuts anyway.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
But I schedule right in front of me, Mike.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
It could be next Saturday. I just know how they
might play Vanderbilding. I don't know that because the regular
season doesn't end till next Saturday. And the s he's
a lot of.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
The big Coffer and the and the over.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
So that tells you that there's going to be points scored.
And I'm going to take Bama as the favorite to
score more there.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
So if you're looking for one game, just for strict
action and fun. Today one o'clock, Auburn minus five and
a half at bet Park's acted tuh. Auburn has been
that as the most efficient offense in modern college basketball history,
according to Ken Palm numbers. They just they've now surpassed

(47:38):
the twenty fifteen Wisconsintine which played played Duke for the
national title, and there I think they were third. I
think they're third everybody just strictly efficiency meaning points, purpose,
offensive possession. And yeah, Auburn is now now number one,

(47:59):
and they're doing it it having played the toughest schedule
you could possibly play. And I mean the number of
top ten teams they've played is astonishing, and they're playing
in a league that, according to our buddy Joe Lenardi,
is getting count the thirteen teams in the h Tournament

(48:22):
thirteen out of sixty eight. So Alburn's minus five and
a half at Kentucky. You know, Mark Pope was doing
I think it's still doing a nice job. But they've
had dramatic injuries here at the back end of the
season which kind of messed up that record. John. We'll
start with you, the Auburn Tigers, that clearly the team
de beat when we headed headed the tournament in a

(48:45):
couple of weeks. Give me five and a half at rubb.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, I'm going to take Auburn. As you just said,
the offense is to a fishing. It's the best team
in college basketball, I think by a good bit. I
know in the Ken Palm rankings, they're actually not number
one overall. It's actually due which I like Duke a lot,
and I dude, it's probably going to be my pick
to win the NCAA Tournament. But Auburn is It's the

(49:08):
best team in college basketball right now, and they have
played a tough SEC schedule.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
They have gotten through it, and I think they continue
that tonight. I mean it's on the road.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Still still a tough Kentucky team, but as you just said,
some injuries and Kentucky's been kind of up and down lately.
I just think this Auburn team, top to bottom, is
just special and very good. So I'm going to go
with the top.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
So Kentucky's issue is beyond just the guys that are hurt.
A lot of most of the backwards been at for
a while. They're a pretty average defensive team in the
best of times, and now they're playing against, as we
just said, the most efficient offense.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
They are sixty second in defensive rating in Kembong.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Right, so modern college basketball history. So that's just a
bad matchup in the best of times. And they're going
to probably have to score in the nineties to have
any chance to win, and that's asking a lot. Yeah,
I'm with you, John, as hard as it typically has
been to win it RUP and they're gonna go nuts
when they get to five hundred in the SEC tonight,

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but that's probably what's gonna happen. I would also like
the Tigers minus five and a half. Mike, you got
any thoughts on this one.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah, I liked Auburn way way back, and I agree
with John. I think Duke could be that team. Duke's
really there's another team. I like Houston a little bit too.
There's a lot of good teams out in the country.
I mean, it's not like there aren't many upsets in
the SEC when they play because but I think this
might be one of those games where Bruce Pearl might

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want to make like a little statement, you know, go
to Rupp and win the game and not have it
being doubt in the last minute because he's that kind
of guy, and God bless him. He's got a great team.
I mean, he's had some really good teams in the
last decade and a half or so or you know,
but man, and that's a tough assignment for Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
I think that no quest, I should have bet that
before we get to the next couple of games. And
then we're going to get the break and we'll get
the bike at golf and then we'll keep talking some
college groups whatever else comes up a week from today. Uh,
at the what what does the sales gym call these days?
It's not the goal that's named after the guy, but arena.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I think maybe that sounds anyway.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Yeah, the South plays Saint Joe's. That'll be fran Dumphy's
final home game. So I would think that would be
kind of a hot ticket, uh for people. I know
we talked about dump extensively last week and uh, and
I think, yeah, if anybody can get there, I'm not
gonna be able to get there. And we talked to
you from Madison, Wisconsin last week. But if you had
a chance, that might be some time check out.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Uh uh what Saturday or Sunday?

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Yeah, Yeah, it's not a week from today.

Speaker 7 (51:50):
Okay, my final maybe there you might want to see.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
The new I want to see the new arena. I
want wander by, you know, after after here there, sports here, there,
and everywhere, you can wander down. They'll let you in.
They remember you are. They have your picture of that there,
and you'll be good.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yes, as a banner and the rafters there.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Yes, Mike, you mentioned Houston a minute ago four point thirty.
Today Houston minus twelve and a half against Cincinnati. The
two top defenses in the country, according to the numbers,
are Houston and Duke At Tennessee's right right there in

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the hunt with those two. Houston, I think that I
think they're getting to the final four. I don't know.
I'd like to see what their draw is before I
make sure a definite statement. But I mean they are
running away with the Big Twelve regular season title and
the Big Twelve. I know, the Big Tennis supposedly getting
more teams, that's fine. The Big Twelve is the second

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best conference in the country by the SEC. It has
been for years. I don't think it's any different this year. Yeah,
they lost, they lost Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC,
but that neither one ever any good this year anyway, Houston.
If Houston can do this in that league back to back,
that's all I need to know. They are going a
long way in Cincinnati. Yeah, they haven't been good since

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Bob Augins was there.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
So you know, there were you, the one that were
you that said that Houston has some offense this year,
which is what made them more dangerous.

Speaker 7 (53:25):
They were always a team that could hold you to
fifty five.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
They always have defense. Yeah, Houston is eighth in offensive
rating in kempalm right now.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Yeah, that's that's unheard of, pretty good recent. Yeah, no,
that that's telligence where the defense John.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Two or three they are actually I think yeah they're three,
So it goes Tennessee Saint John's actually a second than
Houston is.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
College basketball. And I used to hate this guys, Kelvin.
I mean, he was a dufus. He was Washington State
and Oklahoma and I used to say to people, why
is this guy so highly regarded because I didn't think
he was all that And I thought then he got suspended,
he went to the NBA. I guess he was an
assistant dick or whatever he did. He kind of guy.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
They learned, if he learned some things he didn't know before,
and he's incorporated all of it. Now when I listened
to him, I feel like I'm listening to a guru.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
It's amassing absolutely what he's doing at you what he's
done at Houston to get this program to the level
it is totally it's just, you know, total hats off
to him.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
As so we're gonna we got we got that. We
got a whole bunch of other kids. We got Mike.
Where are they then this week? Mic and golf before
we get to a Burton.

Speaker 7 (54:43):
Uh, they're in Florida, Palm Beach.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
All right. We love Palm Beach.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I love anywhere it's warmer than this.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Yeah, no doubt about that. All Right, we're gonna take
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the program, it is time to talk some golf, and
we're doing so with Mike Kern, who is over at
Parks Casino in Ben Salem with Kyle Nunnmaker of course,
stick Garardi.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
On the phone. But Mike Kern, where are we in
Florida here for the PGA tour.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
We're in Palm Beach, which is a very nice part
of Florida to be and it's beautiful acquired. We then.

Speaker 7 (56:51):
I asked that question over Tom John.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
There is no good answer. I'll be saying that the
week of August, I'll be like why, But you know what,
I did twenty five of them, so I can't get
to it next week.

Speaker 7 (57:03):
Yeah, twenty five more than a lot of people. I've
had people tell me that too.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
So Okay, we're doing this for Dick Griti because I
know he follows this and we've had two winners in
the last month, so we're trying.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
An a guy named Jake Knapp, whore I believe is
one once on the tour, I think it was last year,
shot a fifty nine on Thursday, followed with a seventy yesterday,
which fifty nine. He had twelve birdies.

Speaker 7 (57:32):
Yeah, but he shot seventy yesterday, which is predictable.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
It's very hard to but anyway, he leads by one
at the halfway mark, and there's a lot of guys
in his leaderboard that most people probably won't those, although
Ricky Fowler and Jordan Spieth are kind of in contention. Also,
Shane Lowry's with five back. But I want to go
Wen do something a little different, right I've been I
usually go for like a double digit kind of guy.

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I'm going to go for Daniel Berger, who is tied
for third two back. He's won four times on the tour,
which isn't bad compared to most of the guys in
this field. He's six to one, so he won't pay
a whole whole lot. I will say, Shane Lowry is
like twenty Let me just get it up here, so
I don't screw it up like twenty five to twenty

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two to one. If you want to go for something.
And then I will throw this out that our man
Kyle here in his pool. My guy's playing like crap
bowl this week, but his guy, Russell Henley is sixteen
to one. So throw a Shekeler two on it for
Kyle because Kyle needs like a good win.

Speaker 7 (58:38):
And from the guy, let me throw these two things. Yeah,
you guys will love this.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
You might have saw it so at this tournament the
other day, I think it was Thursday, Billy Horschell shoot
at gator into the water.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
I saw that, yep.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
So the gator come up on land somehow. You know,
gators do that in Florida. And Horschell is a gator.
He's a Florida gater. And he went and the guys
they had these The people were coming on trying to
figure out what to do, and Horsell just walked over
with his wedge and tapped the tap the gator a
couple not a wedge, and the gator went back in

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the water. So, hey, what did I say? Another note
on the DP, which is the European Tour. They're playing
in South Africa. A man named Dale Whittnell, an Englishman,
thirty six year old Englishman, in the first round, had
two all in ones. The odds on that, the odds

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on a two a PGA tour player, his odds have
gained a hole in one any PGA Tour players three
thousand to one. That's what they asked to me, that
sixty seven million to one that he would do that.
He shot a sixty three. He's right now.

Speaker 7 (59:50):
I think he's uh two or they're in.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
The third round. He's tied for seventh. Two guys on
the the dp Tour have done that recently in two thirteen.
Three guys on the PGA Tour have done that, most
recently Brian Harmon in twenty fifteen, who won your British
Open in a few years ago. So two now one two.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
Odds on that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
They estimated it at sixty seven million to one to
get two we get.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
I wonder if bet Parks offered that beta.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Probably not.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
I mean, yeah, got a lot of offside of that bet.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Yeah, And he apparently was fying twitch in the bar afterwards.

Speaker 7 (01:00:37):
He was the man taking care of the bill.

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
By the way, Billy Horse will probably probably the most
Floridian response. First of all, he went after that gator
with a sixty degrees sixty degree wage. And the reason
he said he pulled out that sixty degrees because he
had two other sixty degrees in his lockers, so he
could have just grabbed another. Said, yeah, I'm not afraid
of gators. Listen, as I tell most p people, I said,

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they're more afraid of you the majority of the time.
They're only going to come after you during mating season
when they're a little aggressive, and then you're around their
nest when they've got some eggs.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
They say the same thing about snakes. They're more afraid
of me than I'm never going to test. I'll never
test that theory out ever, Yeah, exactly. I don't know
about you, but I feel like I am more afraid
of them than I love it. As a golfer, I've
been around a lot in the South. I've had a
few snake experience actually up here, not many, a few.
I've seen a lot of gators. I mean, I've had

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a gator like on the green with me. He had.
I had a gator like maybe fifteen feet from me,
and he didn't give a craft that I was there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
Even just last year when I went on my trip
to South Carolina, there was a there was a gator
walking across the driving room waiting to tear.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
There was a famous course in Myrtle Beach, the Dunes.
It's probably the best course, like Myrtle Beach. And on
the thirteenth hole they call it Waterloo's Part five. And
there's this gator there who's got the fifteen to twenty
feet yes, and he just sits there. He's got a name,
I forget it was his name, Wilburg or something. And
they have a name for him. And one time my
ball was over and I start walking over and all

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of a sudden I saw alb and then I stopped
and it wasn't a lot and he just kind of
looked at me and said, I'm here, you go that way.
Oh my god, I got to collegeops.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
Awesome stories from pop. We love golf. So today, guys
at two fifteen and Madison Square Garden my same. My god,
is a twenty and a half point favorite of Receipting
Hall to win.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
That's it. I think we lost the jar. There we go,
we got a mat.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Yeah, we got you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Back after the Yeah. After they got a share of
the Federal The other day, Rick Beetino says, I'm not
into sharing. I won it all and today they'll get
it all. And if you want Mike to get on
a train, I think there's still tickets available. Rick was
telling people to get out there. I guess people don't
want to see seat all. They know it's going to
be a route. But if I don't know who the

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coach of the Year is. But if he's not in
the conversation, something is seriously wrong. Uh, Saint John's has
not been relevant. I don't know, twenty years, forty years, Yeah,
pick a number. It's been a long time since they've
been relevant. And they're not just relevant, they're ranked. They're
going to get a high seed. They're going to win

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the Big East regular season. Uh, and they're liable to
win the Big East tournament and you know, maybe get
as high as a two seeds. So, uh, we're conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
I'm not sure how good Saint John's is, like just
from their playing ability A nuts okay, I.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Am, yeah, yeah, they're they're they're starting to make freeze now, Mike. Uh.
And their defense John just pointed out as good as
anybody's and they are. They do things that nobody does anymore.
They actually press much of the game, and the offensive
they and they look they miss a lot of shots,
but it's not as relevant because they get so many

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offensive rebounds.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Zubieca for their center is just absolutely relentless. Uh. And
everybody on their team has gotten better and reck placed
all their strengths. They can't shoot threes. Don't shoot threes,
that's all. He's got two guys that can choose. They
shoot all the freaks.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Isn't Rick one of the best pressing coaches.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Ever. Absolutely, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:04:33):
Isn't that what his teams do?

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
They did it in kentuckyy they did.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
No Quese.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
That's what they do.

Speaker 7 (01:04:40):
I've got to predict.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Athletes to do it. He's got athletes to do it here.
And man, if he gets to the final four with
another team, I think, seriously, it be the fourth school
he takes to the final four.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Really my prediction they're in the final wee. I don't
I'm not going to go beyond that, because you know
they can be Auburn or whoever. They are going to
make a deep run into this tournament. And again, I
don't know where it's going to take them, what it's
going to.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Mean, but well, to your point, big defense and second
chance points.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
As a recipe for success.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
Good Newark, that's that there. Newark is where the East
Region all is, so they could be closed.

Speaker 7 (01:05:21):
They're going to be. They're going to be in Providence
for the first two games.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
It will be the one seaton. Yeah, Duke will be
the one seed in the East, but Saint John's potentially
could be two or three in the which could get
them get them his first two games, who knows what
they could his.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
First two games are going to be in Providence where
he took a team to the final four, you know,
or thirty five years ago or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Hell it was nineteen first year, first year of the
three point shots. Yeah, he was the first guy to
do it. So that's a fascinating game. Another really good
game today. I'm not going to tell anybody to pick
the Saint Jofts game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
He's going to be St.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
John's. You don't take seat and haul they're brutal.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
So here here's a an SEC Top twenty five matchup
between a team I don't think anybody saw a coming.
This is Engagedmental tonight at eight thirty. It's from the
NBC Network Florida. Florida's minus nine and a half over
Texas A and M, which is slumping. Texas A and
M's lost three in a row. But yeah, they got
a lot of good players. And I saw a bunch
of them as young players when Penn State ran them

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out of the gym and de Mooine two years ago.
But they're not young players anymore way. Tailors are star
any thoughts on the Gators, who are you know, one
of the thirteen sects and they're going to be a
very high seed, probably a one or two. Any thoughts
on that game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
But the Gators. I like the Gators, but I like
a lot of SEC teams, so you know, I'm not
like but the Gators have beaten two number ones this year.
That's hard to do. You know, you don't get many
teams to beat number ones. But I think xas A
and M is sort of like you said that, maybe hitting.

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So there's one or two ways you can do that's
going now. You can either come back strong with a
big time effort or you keep slumping. So I'm not
where nine and a half seems like a lot of points,
and I don't know how tough it is to play
at Florida, but I might lean towards taking the nine
and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Yeah, I'm kind of with you, Mike. That's a lot
of points now again, and that just hasn't been make
ninety shots the last few games. That's their problem. But
they certainly can score enough. I just think that's too many.
I mean, cause Florida went by fifteen or twenty, I guess,
but I would I think it's an overreaction. I would
take the points here plus in the Aggies with their

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man buzz Williams, John, you got a thought on this one?

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Yeah, I think he guys are right that Texas A
and M probably is I hate to say, getting disrespected,
it's more like they're the last three losses are really
weighing heavy on the spread. But I do like Florida
and they just lost the Georgia. They've been on the
road the last two games.

Speaker 7 (01:08:02):
I like them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
I like them coming back home and I hate to
say making a statement, but just getting a win and
bouncing back. So I just think this is, honestly as
much as it could be a decent spot for Texas
A and M. They've lost three in a row. They're
still a good team and they can maybe get a
win here and nine and a half a lot. I
think there's a really good bounce back spot for Florida.
And Florida's offense is much better than Texas A and M.

(01:08:24):
So I'm gonna go with the Gators here. Oh and
also Texas A and M hosts Auburn on Tuesday night.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
So hey, Dick, you've covered a lot in your life. Uh,
you know, big, big whatever. How good is this SE tournament?
SEC tournament potentially going to be? Like we could have
Thursday games that are great.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Right. Oh yeah, yeah, Now that's just like the NBA
playoffs that it's ridiculous. It's just it's crazy. Yeah, I mean,
and any barburn will be the favorite, but nobody's going
to be surprised. And it's one of those tarts. That's Frankly,
if you're looking to win the national title, you wouldn't
feel terrible losing in the quarterfinals. Yeah, the rest just

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to get off your feet, get ready for the You know, celis,
Auburn could lose the first game and they're still probably
going to be the number one of them all seats,
So I don't think it's relevant to them one way
or another. But yeah, look it's it becomes a pride thing.
You want to win it. And look, Yukon won the
Big East the last two years and they were certainly
fine in the next tournament. Didn't bother them a couple

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other games Big twelve we mentioned that. Look again, the
Big ten's going to get like eleven teams. I'm not
sure how good it is tach. I don't think it's
spending good for five years, but that's another story. Iowa
State minus six and a half, they're in fourth of
the Big Twelve s home and age against Arizona, which
had a rough non con but which has worked their

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way all the way up the second in their first
year in the Big Twelve, behind only Houston. John Let's
out with you, Iowa State. They had a rough patch,
but they seem to have recovered and they are very
hard to be at Hilton College cum giving six and
a half at Parks.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Your thoughts on this context, Yeah, this is one again.
I like the spot for Iowa State more. They're They've
just been on the road the last two weeks. They've
lost one really tough game against Houston and then I
lost to Oklahoma State. I just think Iowa State it's
probably the better team at the moment. I think they
bounced back here get a win back at home. But
both teams are struggling. So this is this isn't an

(01:10:32):
easy game to pick, uh and you know, we'll see
which one is able to finally get back on track
a little bit. Arizona did beat Utah in the last
game of Utah is not good at all. So I
will take Iowa State back at home to to get
a win here.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take Arizona. Uh,
they have overachieved what I thought they would be this year,
and they have players that have been around. It's funny
anymore because college colleges can now pay players, guys are
staying forever. Yeah no, Rush, I mean right, guys that

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are marginal NBA players, but really good college players. Why
are they going anyway? So you got fifth and sixty
year guys. Uh, they certainly have something out there. I
mean so, Yeah, I like that was on a plus
the points because they can really score. Tommy Lloyd, it
was obviously the longtime assistant to Mark Huey Kins that
and he's done a phenomenal job walking into a tough

(01:11:29):
spot after Sean Miller left that and kind of kind
of it was kind of a rubble situation at Arizona
when he left, all kind of problems out there. But yeah,
I'm going to take the Wildcats in this game. Kyle,
you got Dick?

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Can I answer you a question before? What has happened
to Kansas?

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
You know we're getting to them.

Speaker 7 (01:11:53):
I'll stand down.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
That's a game.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Yeah, I don't have they're going I hate I hate
laying six and a half yeah, I feel in a
spot like this because I agree with what to me.
Anytime you get these two top twenty five teams playing,
and almost every game now we talk about two top
twenty five teams, you're almost tempted to always take the points.
And I understand that that that doesn't always work, you know,

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because teams. But I just don't know Arizona going to Iowa.
I mean, you know, I don't really have an opinion. Yeah,
I mean really, you know, it's it's February.

Speaker 7 (01:12:28):
They're in Arizona right there, A trip like that's a
short trip these you know, I bet, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
But one j Yeah, one's eighty degrees and one's twenty two.
I mean, you know, I would stay away from that game,
but I can understand why John would take his side
and why you would take you know, to me, you
could go either way on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
That's tough. I'm gonna go with John here too, and
just say that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
I like Iowa states that to bounce back here after
two rough losses and Arizona, you know, beating Utah had
a tough LUs against my wife. I think it's bounced
back riot with State here.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
It's very good. Speaking of the Big twelve. And speaking
of Kansas, at Allen Field House, two o'clock, Kansas minus
four and a half against Texas Tech. Now, it's interesting.
Kansas has been the bully in this league forever, right,
they win the regular season, they win the tournament, they
win national championships. Well, Houston has come in and does
knocked them out. Uh, and not only they, but a

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whole bunch of other teams. Kansas is having their worst
worst league season in years, yet they're favored at home
because Allen Fields is such a great Pupe court advantage.
So here's what I think is happened at Kansas might
answer your question. So the one kid he was at Michigan,
now he's in Kansas for the Hutchinson. But I can't

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Hunter Dickens such he drives me nuts. I can't. I
can't stand watching him. But he's gonna probably stay college
for another six years because he's never gonna play in
the NBA. He's made a fortune, he's marketed himself brilliantly.
I just think he's a whiner. Uh. He irritates me,
and so therefore I will say Texas Tech on the road,

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my man, Grandma, cause has an unbelievable job down there.
They are fun to watch, they're beautifully coached. Uh and
Bill selves all right, he's looking at the point now
where his wig may have come off in the middle
of the game, and it could all it could all
go bad for him.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
How about out run Texas Tech? Yeah, Red Raiders and
and somebody in the stand starts saying, fire yourself yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
I'll put the presser on John Jansen to make this
Unanos because I I love Texas Tech here too. I mean,
Kansas is favored because of the home court, but this
isn't the same Kansas team of years past. I think
Texas Tech wins out right here.

Speaker 8 (01:14:58):
So I am.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
I'm gonna stay strong with Kansas at home.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
This is just one of those betting things where the
numbers speaking to you in a way. Because Kansas four
and a half point favorite, they stink, but they've been
winning a lot at home still. I think the two
losses they have at home in Big twelve player has
been West Virginia to open and then also I think Houston.
The thing is Houston is probably the best team they've
played at home, and they lost. I think it was
a double overtime game too, So it's not like this

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is bulletproof the Allen field House kind of advantage. It's
certainly something that Ken Crumble can go down, but I'm
gonna stay strong with it. I think the four and
a half speaks for itself. This is one I'm probably
gonna regret because Texas Tech is the better team and
Texas Tech could easily win this game, but I'm gonna
go with the Jayhawks at home laying the four and

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a half.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Ey Dick Alan Fieldhouse the best. You've been to many
more than I have. But to me, you know, Cameron
obviously is Cameron the pluster is the pluster. I mean
I'm not, But is Allen field House like the best
place if you if you could only go watch one game,
would that be the choice? Or like, is there another
place I'm forgetting, like Paul or somewhere or.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Allen field House is by far the best places I've
ever watched college game, Okay, and I've been to three.
I went out to do a story on Roy Williams
years ago. They were I think they played George Washington
or something. Just that's part of the thing, but that
wasn't relevant. Saint Joe's played out there in an opening
game the year after Nelson and West got annihilated, and

(01:16:35):
I went out and Temple and Khalif Wyatt played out
there on a Sunday afternoon and gave Kansas a hell
of a game. Uh so, yeah, polesters two decks.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Yeah yeah, I mean, I know, cam.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
No, Alan field House is the best. It's it's awesome.
You can smell the history when you walk into Popcorn.
You know, Will Chamberlain played there in the mid fifties.
Crowds standing outside for three hours before the game. It
could be ted below zero. They're going to be their
best fans and.

Speaker 7 (01:17:07):
It's in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
I mean, Lawrence Kansas is you know my Kansas, My
Allen story that the year to Eddie Eddie Jones and
Iron McKee were seniors. So it was the year after
they lost to Michigan in the Final eight and they
go to open They're going to play their first game
at Allen Fieldhouse and Kansas was.

Speaker 7 (01:17:27):
In the n I T and won the n I T.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
So they're four to zero. I think they had a
big guy Oaster tag. Maybe they had it was Oser tag.
So anyway, they go out there, Temple kills them. They
win by like fourteen. Eddie Jones did this move on
the baseline. He went around Oaster tag and just threw
something down and it was just And in the postgame,

(01:17:51):
I'm at John. You know, they had played four games. John,
you know how goes Mike. We got to scout them
for four games. We've been preparing for this game for
two months, and I'm thinking, like, John Chene is so
much smarter than me. I mean here, I'm thinking that
Kansas had this big advantage because they just won the
n I T and poor John team hadn't played anybody
and they just smoked.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
It was tremendous. Yeah. I got some thoughts for the
final part of our show that the state of college
basketball and Philadelphia. Uh, look, think about yeah, think about it.
During the commercial break.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Hey, I got a ram I got a ring.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
That's fine, that's fine. Hey, Hey John, do me a favor.
I'm in the Jordan Center and I probably hear the
music in the background. We do get us the commercial
break here, so the people that I could put it
on the mutes of people absolutely well, we'll be back
for the final part of the show.

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We really were everywhere today in sports here, there, and everywhere,
myself John Jensen here the balikin Wood Studios in Ben Salem,
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the phone in State College getting ready for penn State
and Maryland Dick Girardi and Dick Gerardi. You left this
with a kind of an interesting topic here because we

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are a Big five legend is retiring soon only a
couple of games, a few games left for dunf and
then also Villanova is maybe a team that could get there.
They're in the last four out according to Joe Lonardi
for the bubble and getting into the NCAA Tournament. But
the state of Big five basketball has been talked about
a lot. I feel like it's an appropriate time after

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another season is winding down for these schools.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
But college hoops in Philly, where are we at?

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Yeah, so there's a couple of things going on. When
I got to town and Mike grow up here, I
got the town in nineteen eighty five, college basketball was
as big as the pro sports. I mean it was
covered like that. Every team had somebody that was covering him.
People went on the road. It was a huge, huge deal.

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Over time because the Eagles became the thing, every other
team got kind of not less coverage, and college basketball
got even less than that. So now it's barely covered
at all in the city and the teams are just
not any good. This is going to be barring a

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Villanova ron in New York or ain't Joe's run, I don't.
I'm not counting with the South Pen's not even going
to make the Ivy League tournament. Temple maybe a big
run by Adam Fisher's team in the American and Drexel
maybe a big run in the CIA. Barring any of
those things from happening, it's gonna be a third straight

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year there's not a single team in the city that
makes the NCA Tournament and might correct me if I'm wrong.
It never happened twice in a row until last year,
is do I have that right now? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
And I don't think it had happened in any year
since like seventy seven. I think that was like somebody
had happened three years.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
Yeah, right, somebody had always gotten in there. And I
leaned back a little bit to doll level was so
dominant over a ten year period where they went twenty
five big game five games in a row almost all
of my double figures did. They kind of knocked everybody
else completely out. And now that they needed the post

(01:22:58):
Jay right era had become mediocre. There's just nobody in
the city that's any good. H How did that happen?
We'll start with you. I mean have a world that
this happened.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
The South switched legs, which basically put their program on
on death Rowe.

Speaker 7 (01:23:19):
I mean, you were covering them, so you know, I'm
not telling you anything.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
You don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Speedy had it going and if they had stayed in
that league, they would have made the tournament two or
three times every five years. And that's all people care
about is are you in the tournament?

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Penn has been bad since dump left. I mean it's
as simple as that. I don't can't put it any
other way. And again they made a bad higher because
it should have been fran O'Hanlon. What fran O Handlon
would have done, you know, it would have been better
than what's happened. Uh, Saint Jose since Phil left, You know,
people were dissatisfied with Phil Well. Phil made the tournament

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every third year, which at Saint Jose is not a
horrible thing. And he had the great team in two
thousand and four and they won a couple first round
games to get the second round games. Who am I
leaving at? I mean, look, Temple was good. Do they
switch leagues? You know, fran had a decent thing going
and then they got in this football league and it

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ain't working. Drexels never you know, Drexel was Drexel. I mean,
they've been to the tournament once since ninety seven. Bruiser
came close a couple of times. Villanova made everybody forget
about what else. It was like it was almost like
Dick if you go back to Temple in the nineties,
I mean, Villanova was good in the nineties and some teams,
but villain Temple went to five final eights in twelve

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or thirteen years. The other teams weren't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Doing all that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
But you know, and now you have no team leading
the way, and it's got to be Villanova because they're
Villanova and you know, the two and all that, and
they're not doing it. And I think it just reflects
on everybody else. If Villanova was good and was making
the second week into the tournament or whatever, we would
sit here and go, yeah, Big five and that group.

Speaker 7 (01:25:03):
But Villanova is good and we can't say that anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
And I don't know what you do. I mean, I
think Villanova is fixable because they have the resources and
if they get the right person. I think Villano the
other schools, I think the guy at Temple has a clue.
But it's a tough it's a tough spot. Saint Joe's,
you know, is having a good season. So many spots
are almost impossible. They are they just are yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's the bottom line. This
little Sat John. I don't know who's going to be interested.
It's just a tough go. At least they have a
newer arena now than the resources don't exist, and is
in a horrible spot because now that the nil and
the transfer porol are out there, their best sophomore is
playing at Filanova, their best senior would be their best

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seniors playing at USC. It's a real problem in that league.
I mean, dres All, you mentioned Zac. That's on betscos
you can do, but there's limits there on what can
be done. And in St. Jose made a horrible mistake
when they fired Phil Martelli. They just they had no
sense of what was going on, what was going to
happen that see that great recruiting class, and they just

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they lost the whole program. And the last few years
they've certainly been much more competitive, but they're far away
from being a factor. And I don't know what happens
to them after this season when their best players are
probably going to be out of there anyway. So yeah,
it's just a mess. John, You and Kyle obviously you
didn't grow up with it like like we did. I mean,
you know we covered it, but from your perspective, John

(01:26:34):
will start with you, what in the world is going on?
And piled up the college hoops that nobody barring some
tournament run is going to make at CIA again.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Yeah, And just hearing you guys talk about it, maybe
a theory is that everybody was trying to chase Villanova
and in the chase kind of lost themselves, uh and
lost tradition, lost coaches that were established.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
So you end up making decisions like Temple firing dun
for a film, Telly getting fired because you're you're trying
to you're trying to chase Villanova. And even though I
think Saint Joe's was successful and Temple was successful, wasn't
all the time they you know, it's not like Temple
was winning so many tournament games, but in the chase
of trying to be another Villanova, Uh, the chase just

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kind of ended up collapsing them.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
But that's just the theory. To me, it's it's just
money like that. There's no money in any of this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
I don't know, And that's my question to you guys,
because I don't know that to you and my current
was there ever any money? Was it all just based
on pride and reputation of the city, or was there
money at one time in college basketball in Philly?

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Well, yeah, you didn't need money back then, Yeah, it
was all it was all about pride, playing for your school,
guys in Philly State and Pelly played for Saint Joe's
Little Salad Temple. Yeah, I think part of it. It
was already heading that way. But the money got so
much bigger. Even before the pay that the players were
able to get me the money got bigger for coaches. Uh.

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The only school that was in the TV League was Villanova,
which is why they just blew passed all the rest. Mean,
before the Big East started, it was pretty there wasn't
a lot of difference in the city. I mean, Villanova, Temple,
Saint Joseph's South, and I mean they all had their moments,
but yeah, the Big East. Obviously, Voldova was the one
that got in and it was obviously the greatest movement

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in the history of the school. They became. They were
always a really really good program, h and made final fours,
had great teams, but they became a national program at
that point when the Big East started to happen, and
obviously Jay Wright took it to a level just insane.
And you know, they happened again a once in a
lifetime coach who they hung with through the tough guys

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at the beginning, and obviously on the other end, yeah,
became a Hall of Fame guy. So yeah, John, you
made a great point too about the fact that these
others were so frustrated that Boldova was not just beating them,
but they were beating everybody that they wanted to try
to emulate them. When that was total fool's gold. It
was just more that even tried to do it because no,

(01:29:02):
cancer Phil I want to tell you he didn't have
to coach gudmkee Win.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
No, when John Chaney was winning the Temple, they used
to make jokes. John used to make jokes about what
Temple didn't have. Okay, he had an office in the
bottom of McGonagall Hall and was going to Final Ways
and what that that was. But that was a John
Cheney thing. That wasn't even though the Temple people want
to tell you it was a Temple thing, and Temple's

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is a great program over many many years. It was
a John Chaney thing. If John Channy had been in
Saint Joe's, it would have been happening in the Saint Joe's.
If John Chaney had been at Lasal or Villain or whatever,
it would have happened, and so he kind of distorted,
you know, what it could be. And then you know,
Saint Joe's struggled for a long time. They really, they

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really did. And then Phil came in and Phil made them,
you know, relevant, they were a factor. Speedy had it
going in LaSalle, he really did. People forget now because
it was thirty years ago, but Speedy had a good
thing going. He beat going over, he beat Volley. It
wasn't like, you know, he had a three thousand point scorer.

(01:30:10):
I mean, uh, And it's just and I don't know
how you recapture. I don't know if you ever do.
And the fans now are not it's a different fan
base now. The people that were fans then are old.
They're they're there, you know now you got to you
gotta rejuvenate a young fan base. And I just don't
know how you do that. First you have to win.
You have to win, there's no doubt about it. And

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I don't know how you in this day and age basketball,
I don't know how you do that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
And Mike call and el see you just mentioned South
So LaSala was dominating the league. They were in back
thirty years ago. They were getting to the NCA tournament
just about every year. They were getting the best player
in the city every year because of the style of fund.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
You beloved to go there.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
You took at Lionel Simmons, dug Obert and Randy Woods
and could go on and on and on. Uh And
then they moved to the Midwestern Catastrophe Conference as I
call it UH Western Collegiate Conferences now the Horizon League,
and they were playing people in Evansville, in Wisconsin Green Bay,
and it was just a complete disaster. And they haven't
been the same since they got to the A ten.

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Finally they got rescued. But the problem is the A
ten teams have much more resources on the southst so
they really haven't been competitive for most of that run.
Same deal with Temple people. As Mike has pointed at
many times, Temple wasn't really doing much towards the end
of coach Chaney's career. As soon as Niff got there.
It took them exactly two years to win the Lenning

(01:31:32):
Tournament that he wanted three years in a row, and
he was getting to the ncas regularly out of the
Atlantic Ten. And then they moved to the American for football,
and it just killed the program.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
It absolutely killed the program.

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
There's no rivalries, there's no games that anybody's interested in.
The travel is horrible, and they just haven't been particularly competitive.
And look, I'm an Adam Fisher Vann. I'm done it
for twenty years when he's the head manager at that
state when I first started doing in him. He is
the right guy in the right place. But it may
not be doable just because of the nature of the

(01:32:06):
sport that we're in. UH. Saint Joe's made one of
the worst decisions you can ever make, UH by by
firing the guy, the winning coach in the program's history
to get a couple of bad years. You had people
that didn't understand the history. What I mean he was.
Among the recruits he had coming in was jami Or
Nelson jun who just finished off an unbeaten high school

(01:32:29):
season at Aberford, won the state championship. UH. And and
you're gonna you're gonna fire the coach who's bringing into
the son of the best player at school history. A
number of other really highly tatted recruits who went all
Bones Highland who ended up going to BCU, who was
drafted the NBA, the following year it lost a kidn't

(01:32:51):
find him and went to Providence, had a great career
up there. Just a complete disaster. It just people that
didn't know what they were doing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
So you combine all that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
Where As Mike said, Can really has not been the
same since Dump left. H Steve Gunney is a terrific coach,
but he walked into a tough spot Drexel. I mean again,
the facilities just aren't there. They're not going to compete.
And now that Villanova after the post Ja Right era,
which walk right into this nil transfer of portal nightmare

(01:33:22):
is now I think mediocre is the right word. It's
just it's a sad state of affairs in the city.
Now you're a Temple guy, you know you have a
view of all this. What do you what are you saying,
Kylee Hoops and Village.

Speaker 5 (01:33:36):
Yeah, I mean it's kind of what Mike Kerr alluded to. It's,
you know, Villanova overshadowed all of the issues that were
going on with the other teams. They were kind of
pushed to the wayside because Villanova was so successful. But
now that Villanova post j Wright era is kind of mediocre,

(01:33:57):
then you're pulling back in these teams that you were
pushing aside for so long, and you have to you know,
put a spotlight on them and say, okay, now that
they're back in the mix, that we don't have, you know,
a shoulder to lean on in Villanova, what is the
issues here with these other teams that kind of haven't
had consistent relevancy in the last twenty five years. And

(01:34:18):
that's why we're sitting here talking about it now, because
that's that's what it is. I mean, Temple Saint Joe's,
they've had good teams, but they haven't had the consistency
that Villanova's had. It's been like a couple of seasons
here and there. But now when you're looking at it
and you don't have Villanova to lean on, we're desperately
trying to grasp at straws to figure out how we

(01:34:39):
can make these teams consistent and relevant within you know,
within these new leagues they're in. And like you said,
Dick Gardy, I think it's a combination of, you know,
different mistakes and errors that were not mistakes and errors,
but more challenges that they put upon themselves by switching conferences.

(01:35:00):
Really has put a stranglehold on making them, you know,
consistent and relevant.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Within Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
The other thing that's changed, and we would notice they
want is the administrators.

Speaker 7 (01:35:12):
You know, Saint Jose you had done, Julia. I mean,
you know if you said Saint Jose.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Bill Bradshall was at Temple, Uh, you know, longtime Philly guy,
uh Penn had Steve was there forever. Uh And he again,
I just think he made a bad decision not giving
it the job Douel handling.

Speaker 7 (01:35:32):
I'm trying to think of some of.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
The other people, state by state built.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Right, But again, those people are I don't think the
people and I don't mean to condemn the people that
are running it now, but I don't know those Philly ties. Yeah,
we knew when the when Saint Joe got their new
A d We knew what was going to happen. We
could have all predicted it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Yeah, you know, yea. It's just it's just not understanding
the history or the landscape and and and the sport
was changing anyway, which was just going to make it
more difficult. I mean, you know, you think about it
in the heyday of the big Flush, which Mike probably
would have been the sixties and seventies has had a
fair statement. That's probably I would say very best.

Speaker 7 (01:36:16):
Yeah yeah, that's when even into the eighties, I mean,
you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
Right, yeah, I mean there were there were years where
four teams from the city were making the target on
a pretty regular basis. But over time, because the money
became so big and the TV money became so big
in the nca Tournament, all these state schools that could
have cared less a history of college festival, the state

(01:36:40):
schools that were interested in basketball. You could have on
one hand for Indiana and this kentucktee might be missing somebody,
but I don't think I am doing a lot. That's it.
Nobody else they just didn't care.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
All of a sudden money started showing up, and all
of a sudden, Florida started winning national plays and I
guess you can't use the LA they're so state school Yeah, uh,
that's that's that they published school. Obviously they were interested,
but for the most part, the big state schools that
competed at the highest levels of football in Alabama, Tennessee,
uh in Florida and Carabat basketball Georgia. But yeah, all

(01:37:18):
of a sudden those schools started getting interested, and that
pushed out the Saint Joe's and and and the Temples
and the souths of the world even more because obviously
they had. They have the resources, they can build really
nice gyms, they can put good facilities together. And having
said that, Temple now has good facilities, very good, as
does Saint Joe's. But it just took them. It took

(01:37:42):
them a while to catch up well SOW. I mean, yes,
they've refurbished their gym, but they're still way behind. Drexel's
way behind. But Penn has the one thing that nobody has.
They have the pileuster. But they're just in a tough
spot because the league that they're in. And I think
really badly.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
For what's going on in I think about this too,
Like in the seventies, I'm pretty sure I got this right. Temple,
Saint Joe, maybe local, they all played the e CC
like that was the league they were in. Villanova was
an independent because until the biggest came along, it was
a whole different world. One of those teams are probably

(01:38:18):
going to the Tournament of you. Penn from the seventies
was like not a top twenty team. They were a
top two or three teams some years. Look about that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
They were, they were dominant. Yeah, it's just much has change, Mike.
It's funny. We'll leave on this note. But if you
go way way back, so Temple will sound Saint Joe's
were in a league called the Middle Atlantic.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:38:41):
Yeah, in the fifties, even into the sixties, before the
East Six. You know, they used to play and it
was in their league, Gettysburg plus.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
To Delaware, think about Sis.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Here's all. Here's what you gotta know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
The team.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Banks came out of West Philadelphia High School in seventy seven.
He was the best or second best player in the country. Okay,
Gene Banks of Philadelphia legend. His two schools were Duke
and Penn. That's who he was concerned. He went to Duke.
Duke made the Final four as a freshman, but he

(01:39:21):
was considering Penn. Penn went to the Final four and
seventy nine. I mean that doesn't even skip.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
Yeah, Penn. In the seventies, you could make you could
make the case that they were the best, one of
the top five programs in the country. We were certainly
the best of telling off and it wasn't particularly was,
but that's not how much the landscape has changed, and
that's that's part of the reason that we're having this discussion.

Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
But John wat I know, and I know Cooper flag
was torn between Duke and Pe ultimately ended up going
with you know what, I.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Think we forget sometimes, Dick. It was fifty years ago.
I mean, the world goes changed. Like we sit here
and go, why why isn't all these schools still good?
Well that was a long look, that's it's.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
Like everything, But it's really changed in the last five
in the last yes, even more and again, horrible decisions
are changing leagues by some of these schools for their
basketball programs. That's part of it. There's a lot that
goes took. It was an interesting discussion defense to show
John wantn't to get us on at of here and

(01:40:25):
we'll talk to everybody next week.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
Yeah, I will say it seems like we it seems
like we have really it seems bleak for the Big
Five because we have we have said the death sentence
for it. There's no interest in, no money, and all
the legacy coaches are are pretty much gone now.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Uh yeah. Other than that and everything's great. It's OK.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
If I was the Ivy League, John, and I've said
this twenty years ago. I give scholarships. They got money.
The IVY League has money, so give.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Stevie something, right, But they are they gonna put money?
Are they gonna put money into something like basketball?

Speaker 7 (01:40:56):
That's that I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
The only thing is Villain is at least in a
conference that has some money still for basketball, and that's
the only thing that could Villanova could easily turn things around.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
Exact ships ben for the list right, that is a
program that will always be in position, get the right
coach and the right players like they can be good,
but it's harder now for them to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
And for the other schools, I think it's it feels
almost impossible sometimes for them to do it.

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Though.

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