Ep. 31 Undefeated FSU misses the CFP and Neal Feinberg, President of Florida Indoor Racquet Club, joins the show to talk all things tennis!

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
3, 2, 1.
Hello and welcome, sports Bros,episode 31.
In a while a lot of things havehappened.
College football playoff is setUndefeated.
Florida State did not make it.
Let's talk about that.
Andrew, you have a question.

(00:29):
You want to start us off?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I have a question for Corey.
Was Sunday the greatest day inthe Florida Gators sports
history of the last five years?
Was that the greatest day as aGator fan?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
It was a great day.
It was a really good day.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Could you walk us through your Sunday morning?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
It was just a complete inverse trajectory for
Florida and Florida State andthat just completely crumbled.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
And Georgia.
You literally had both of yourrivals balling at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Oh man, I was so shocked.
The only person I really kepthearing Florida State from was
Herb Street Before Sunday.
That was it really.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I was watching you like yeah, you mean like not
making it.
Herb Street was the only onesaying they couldn't make it.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, like Bama making it over.
Fsu.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, no, I think no one wanted to say it Like people
wanted to give the benefit ofdoubt and not go to the doomsday
scenario, but everybody kind ofknew it in the back of their
mind, like are they really goingto let this team in with a
third string quarterback?
Drew Freshman has taken 10snaps.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, it's so funny because it's only FSU fans that
are like this upset about it.
Everybody else is like well,Bama's better.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
So I just I love the other end of the spectrum where
you have the people that theFlorida State fans are upset
right, the Georgia fans areupset but they had their chance,
like all they had to do.
I mean, they knew, going intothat game, if we don't win this
game, like there's a really goodchance we're left out.
So they had.
They had that going into them,that mindset going into it.

(02:29):
Florida State fans wereconvincing themselves and they
were delusional, going into thatgame thinking, oh, all we have
to do is go undefeated.
There's no way they can leaveus out, no way.
That was the problem.
They didn't even conceive ofthe possibility of being left
out of playoff as an undefeatedPower Five champion and being

(02:52):
Florida State.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, not even a blip on their radar, not even an
option.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, but I think when you, when you break it down
, florida State fans like they,they act like they've been here
the whole time, right?
They act like they have beenright here amongst the powers of
college football when theyhaven't been relevant.
In what 10 years?
Right, James Winston was thelast time they were relevant.

(03:19):
And in fact, if you go back tothe first playoff year, we were
going through this same scenariowhen you had the undefeated
James led for Florida StateSeminoles coming off.
The national championship wentthrough a cupcake schedule
barely as a team.
Yeah, they weren't as good of anational championship team
because they lost to go out guys, the NFL, they barely won a lot

(03:41):
of their games, like they had alot of games where they had to
come back.
They were calling to even makeit Almost lost to Louisville.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, no, it did lose to.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Louisville Right, but they slept they.
They should have been slottedhigher in the playoff.
They fell to three.
They played at Oregon and gotdestroyed in the Rose Bowl.
That was the infamous JamesFumble, and the rest is history.
And here they are.
That was the first year of theplayoff, and here we are.
In the last year they literallybookended the playoff era.

(04:11):
Just disappointment.
At least that time theyactually made it.
This time the committee waslike we're not doing this.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, so did they make the right decision.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, I mean it depends, Like you have.
So you have the Florida Statefans who are upset, but you also
have the people that are upsetof OK, you're calling it the
four best teams.
You didn't get the four bestteams.
George is not not there.
Like everyone in collegefootball accepts that George is
the best team Still, even thoughthey lost.
They lost one game.
But if you put George on aneutral field against any of the

(04:43):
playoff teams, they're probablyfavored.
And Alabama, they were justfavored over them, Like last
week.
That's that's what'sinteresting about.
It is like then you're lookingat like, OK, this that was a
playoff game.
Right, that was just you, thatwas your play in game to get the
playoff, but they missed theiropportunity.

(05:04):
But if you wanted the four bestteams, you would have Georgia
over Washington.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
You think that Georgia would be favored over
Michigan?
After a neutral field yeah, no,after Michigan beats Ohio State
.
I don't think I'm not scorewise convincingly, but pretty
convincingly and then definitelyconvincingly versus Iowa.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I don't know, yeah, michigan didn't play a
non-conference there.
Michigan only played two toughteams this whole season.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
They were last to their last three games Penn
State and yeah, but theirbiggest strength isn't their
schedule itself, it's the factthat they won by like 35 every
single game, right.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
But that's what Georgia was doing.
Against harder schedule, yeah,but they lost, lost the Bama.
No, I mean, yeah, just hate.
You just hate to see it right.
You just hate to see it happento two fan bases like Georgia
fans and Florida State fans.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, I mean it sucks for them, but you give 13
people subjective criteria andyou put in those bylaws hey, you
can take into account ifsomeone's not playing, and
that's what they did.
That was their out.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
You know, the other interesting piece about this is
that people forget this wassupposed to be the first year of
the 12th team playoff and itgot pushed by a year because of
one conference.
It couldn't be the ACC, right,it was the ACC that vetoed the
12th team expansion year in 2023.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Let me ask you this If the ACC hadn't done a 180 and
just went on board with the12th team playoff, and FSU was
the top 12 team this year,they'd be in the playoffs.
No.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
So people are saying that that was like the committee
pretty much got down to thewire and they're like look, are
we really going to do this forthe whole, the team that put us,
the conference that put us inthis situation to debate.
This is the reason why, youknow, we're even even in this
room, like if it was 12 teams,there's no debate, like we know
the 12 best teams Florida Statewould be in.

(07:10):
But because the ACC was tryingto hold it together, because the
ACC thought they had a power inClemson and thought they had a
guaranteed playoff spot withfour teams, they tried to delay
it.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, they put all their eggs in one basket.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
They didn't work out.
For what four or five yearsthere was working out every year
Clemson, clemson, alabama, ohioState.
They were just in the playoffevery year.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
If Florida State thinks they're Clemson, that's
the problem here.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Without Jordan Travis Right.
That's the issue.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, I mean it sucks , but as soon as he goes down,
they knew their season's over.
They knew they had no chance ofwinning a playoff game.
They at least wanted to go.
They just wanted to be invitedto the party.
It just sucks to not getinvited to the party.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I mean they got to see the layout of the party, how
it looks, got a secondaryaccount of how things work.
Maybe they'll take that in nextyear and maybe they'll get
invited to the big dance.
Yeah, it would be funny if theyend up being like 13 or 14 next
year.
I'll miss out again.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, no, I think, I think.
I do think Norvel is a goodcoach.
I think he's built somethingthere.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, I think he's a great coach.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, I think he's built something.
I think this will fuel them.
I think they'll come backstronger.
Honestly, I don't know whatTravis is playing on doing.
He's probably got I mean, Idon't know what that rehab looks
like, or is that a year?
Could he play next season?

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, I'm not really for sure what his injuries were,
so I don't know, did he breakhis fibula, did he break his leg
?

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.
I don't know if that's a oneyear, I don't know if he can
play.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
I guess it's probably Dax's injury.
So what was that Like?
12 months, 12 to 14 months,yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
It's a long time for a cramp, damn.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, the sideline official in the states game got
it worse than Travis.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
That was bad, that was so bad.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Did you see Kamara's reaction when he got up?
He's like holy shit.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
He's like hey you probably went back to the huddle
and he was like shit dude.
You see that.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Oh my God.
I mean, it was so hard not tolaugh because it was just like
holy shit.
You're just waiting forsomething like that to happen to
these people.
I can't believe the amount ofpeople that get to stand on NFL
sideline.
They're lucky that more peopledon't end up like that.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
And they're like facing the stands.
Yeah, that takes a lot ofpeople.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, that's so risky Crazy.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
You can see what big hat said he's like.
If you do that and you're in afluorescent bib, it just looks
10 times worse.
It is a tough look.
It is such a tough look theyhate.
Dan.
I saw you on TV.
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Oh my gosh, I hope he has like medical leave or paid
for by the NFL.
I hope he's like on the sameretirement plan as the players
and stuff.
It's the same benefits because,geez, that's going to be a long
rehab for someone that's not anathlete like that.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Geez.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
So Florida States.
So I guess you could sayAlabama winning was the worst
thing that happened to them,right, that effectively took
them out of the running.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I mean, go back to one week prior.
It's fourth and 31.
There's 43 seconds left andAlabama's down by four.
Yeah, I mean, this is allAaron's fault.
That's what's crazy about thiswhole hypothetical situation
that we're in.
If you reverse it and go allthe way back to that moment,
alabama needed a miracle to evenhave a chance which you could

(11:10):
sit there and say, okay, if theylose that game, they probably
lose to George anyway.
Like, why would they show upwith motivation?
Yeah, because they didn't meananything, just crazy.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
So is FSU and George going to be pretty fired up for
that game?
You think no, Damn.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I think if you're FSU , you win that game.
You make the bet, you hang thebanner, you pull the UCF, you
get the trophy.
You sell the shirts, you sellthe merch, you're 20.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
You have to be Georgia, though.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
But you have to be Georgia.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, I mean.
I mean because with legalsports betting now the
committee's decision is somewhatvindicated when they come out
14 point dogs in that bowl game,because they'll probably get
crushed, they'll probably loseby oh well, the lines were
always available.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Like everyone knew, florida State versus any playoff
team was a double digitunderdog.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
No, I know, but you can use that as like hey, this
is why Like this is just anotherreason why this is not going to
work.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, but that's not the excuse.
Like Florida State fans feellike they got job because they
deserved the playoff spot, notbecause they were one of the
four best teams.
They agree, they're not one ofthe four best teams.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
They thought they met the.
I don't know if they all thinkthat way, though.
No, I think a lot of them stillfeel like they can do Michigan
again.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Have you seen that defense?
Though you seen that defense?
I mean, they can beat anybody.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I'm sure there's Florida State fans out there
that think that Team doesn'tlose.
You know this team hasn't lost.
Every team you put in front ofus, we figure out a way to beat
them, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, just listen to Mike Norville, I guess.
But I mean Ohio State in 20, 20or 2014,.
Right Right, cardell Jones,that team is the exception, not
the rule, like that team,because they went to the playoff
and won it with a third string.
Quarterback doesn't mean thatquarterback doesn't matter.

(13:18):
Quarterback play doesn't matteron a playoff team.
They literally they had to gointo the Big Ten Championship
game and win by 40 or 59.
They would think it was 59.
Nothing is what they beatWisconsin.
Yeah, they had to do that.
If they didn't do that, thenthey would have been left out.
Because, anyone watching thatgame against Louisville, anybody

(13:41):
that knows football is likethat team is not the same team,
man.
They can't play like the sameway that they did with Jordan
Travis.
They're such so hampered onoffense they're just so stuck on
the nerves.
That's why I didn't understand.
They're just so stuck on thenerves.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
What's that?
They're just so stuck on beingdeserving and they earned that
spot.
That's their whole crutch andyes, it sucks, but there's no, I
think they did earn it halfway.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
They did earn it on their regular season resume, but
they didn't earn it.
I consider the ACG Championshipthe first game of postseason.
That's your postseason, becausenot everyone goes to a
championship game.
That was a different level.
You need to perform on us as achampionship team.

(14:31):
Louisville is.
Everyone knows after Kentuckybeat Louisville that Louisville
is not a top 10 team.
They should have been lowerthan 14.
The fact that they were at highthey're still.
They should be somewhere downthe 20s.
But anyway, Florida State's asubstantially better team than
Louisville.
They should have blown them out.
I've been going to the game.

(14:51):
The spread was like one and ahalf For the most part of the
game, aside from that one bigrun.
That Florida State had to scoretheir only touchdown.
Remember they scored one or twotouchdowns.
Did they score two touchdowns?
They scored one late.
I turned it off.
They also had a bunch of fieldgoals.
I think it was one touchdown,right?
Yeah, pretty sure, yeah.

(15:13):
So they scored one touchdown andit was off a long run that they
took the quarterback out.
They took the quarterback out,they ran Wildcat.
They busted off a 70-yard run.
They get down inside the fiveand they punch it in with the
same quarter.
They same guy run the football,Yep.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Just peaked too early .
They should have peaked nextyear.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, they scored 16 points.
They scored one touchdown andthree field goals.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, that's enough to beat Michigan, right, if
you're playing Iowa?

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Also I'm pretty sure in that Ohio State Oregon
national championship gameEzekiel Elliott had more yards
than Cardale Jones did Right.
So, it's not exactly the samesituation either in that aspect.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Cardale was good Like Cardale.
Legit, of course, made the mostinfamous mistake of all by not
deciding to declare for thedraft after that playoff run.
Came back to school, even thoughhe quote unquote said I hear to
play school.
Yes, I come here to play schoolAll-time, quote Gosh, all-time.

(16:28):
I couldn't believe.
I remember he just like he wasafter that playoff run.
So he took over.
I think I think he had to beatMichigan, right, or I think
because JT Barrett, I thought,got hurt in the Michigan game I
can't remember when he got hurtthat year.
Yeah, but I thought Cardale hadto come in, beat Michigan, he
had to beat Wisconsin and thenthey had to win the two playoff

(16:51):
games and on that alone peoplewere already projecting him to
be a first round pick and thedude decided to come back and
then sucked Like then.
Now he's in the XFL or whatever.
But that's why I threw out thepossibility of if you're Florida
State and you lose JordanTravis one, if you could also go
back to that game and say, oh,they were losing to North

(17:13):
Alabama when he got hurt.
So it's not like they were upbigger.
I mean, they were actually down.
It was weird.
It was a weird situation forhim to go down.
I thought they were going tolose.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
I only heard them like, oh, they might lose to
North Alabama.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
That would have been the funniest.
Actually, this is fun herebecause they actually worked
themselves.
You gotta get the fan base likeliterally on the peak precipice
of hope.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
And then they were already watching tape on
Michigan, I'm sure Scouting wegot cracking on tape.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, they already had.
Yeah, they already had theCarter Stallions look out
scouting Michigan.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
But can you imagine how excited they were after they
beat Louisville?
They must have not had a worryin the world.
They woke up Sunday morning.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, how many Fork State fans booked their hotel
for Pasadena?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Oh man, I'd love to hear.
Oh, it'd be great.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Oh my god, what, uh what ball are they getting?
What's the one for ball?
I mean Michigan, alabama.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's the one, the road, the Rose Bowl, yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Can you imagine if people bought tickets to that
game and they go and see Alabamaget housed by Michigan what
they would feel like?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
then it would be hilarious if, if Michigan
annihilates them and thenFlorida State happens to beat
Georgia.
Oh, that would be.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
No, I don't know, because there would be no
closure after that point.
You just have to hear it fromthem at the whole off season.
Chris, trust me.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
This is the scenario you don't want to have happen.
You do not want Florida Stateto win this ball game.
You just wanted to kill it,because they will claim this
national championship for therest of eternity.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
No, because they've been saying the past five or six
years that when UCF did it itwas embarrassing, it's a joke
and they would never do that.
Right, they wouldn't do it.
No chance, no chance.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, yeah, you got.
Do you guys remember whathappened in Florida States like
93 championship?
No, like Ron, I'm pretty surethey finished the season with a
loss to Notre Dame earlier inthe season and they got in the
BCS over undefeated WestVirginia.

(19:45):
Follow the money.
Did you say 93?
Either 92 or 93.
It was the.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
BCS didn't exist until 98.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
No, but whatever the 90 was Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
What was just before the BCS?
There was just the polls Right.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Whatever bold they call it.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
That's been so ridiculous is we have people
complaining like, as if for likethe first hundred years of
college football, we didn't justhave a bunch of journalists
vote with all their differentpolls, like on two teams, on two
, the two best teams.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
I can't wait for next year, though.
12 teams, that's going to beawesome.
There's so much fun.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
She's oh man, she's massive.
How about all the talk thatit's corrupt NCAA, corrupt ESPN?
Chase the money.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yes, the communists.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Are they really going to spend Florida tax money to
sue the NCAA?
Is that what they're reallydoing?
That I mean, they'll get thatthrown out, but the fact that
they're going to pay lawyers toeven file this case, this
lawsuit.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
If they think it'll help with votes.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, just buying votes as the Santa city.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
What do?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
you say Kind of what you expect, what would Scott say
?

Speaker 3 (21:22):
It'd be funny if you had like the same thing.
What if he came out and justsaid I respect the committee's
decision?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Go get your stuff.
And he would win over likeprobably half the state.
I mean you know.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
No concerns, no concerns.
I'm concerned, I'm high and goGators.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
He was like I respect the committee Go Gators, go
Bulls, go Knights Go Cains.
Oh my God, screw the nobles.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
That'd be so funny, because if he goes with FSU fans
he's not really upsetting theothers.
But if he flipped and wentagainst FSU he would for sure
get everybody else.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
He should have done that.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
We should get him on the pod Politicians.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
they should totally get into these rivalries and
just pick a side and just belike suck it.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
You guys just go with the numbers.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
You guys should have played better, sorry.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
They started to go like all X's and O's.
You should use the full back orjust like tell them what they
did.
No legit.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Like that's what I was trying to say is, if your
quarterback is your star playerand he goes down with an injury
and you know you don't have agood backup like your backup.
They literally didn't have abackup.
They had no backup plan forTravis Like they had.
You know, a couple of theseyoung guys Don't put a
quarterback in literally line upevery play without a
quarterback.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Like you force the committee.
I don't think you can do thatright.
What you can't do, that right.
You don't have to have aquarterback, no, you play
Wildcat has any team ever donethat Kentucky did.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Kentucky had the same .
That's what I was trying toexplain.
Kentucky had the same situationhappen in 2018, when we had
Terry Wilson break his leg weektwo and then we had Solier Smith
get hurt in week three, and sowe were literally down to not no
quarterbacks.

(23:26):
I think we had a true freshmanand we're like okay, the same
working.
So fourth game of the season,we're just like.
We're just going to put ourwide receiver quarterback.
He threw a little bit.
He played a little quarterbackin high school, so he's just
going to run around and we'regoing to play Wildcat every play
.
And we won seven games.
We went to a bowl game.
The Virginia Tech ended BudFoster.

(23:49):
And we rushed for like 500 yardsevery game.
It was insane.
It was awesome.
They should have done that,Because then you forced the
committee to be like, oh okay,well, he obviously wasn't that
important if they were able tojust play their offense without
him.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, what do you make?
What do you make of the casethat if Jordan Travis not
playing is the biggest reasonwhy they were left out, because
he's that big to them?
Yeah, shouldn't he be at leastinvited to the Heisman ceremony?

Speaker 2 (24:22):
No, yeah, I thought he should.
I mean, honestly, the Heismanis bullshit anyway because, like
Marvin Harrison Jr got invited,malik Neighbors has better
yards and better more receptions.
Just as many touchdowns andmore yards is better stats, the
wider receiver.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's like they're just trying to get the top
players in the draft that'scoming up, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Like a pre-ceremony forum.
They're literally just pluckingthe best player from like five,
like a couple of the best teams.
Mm-hmm, it's a marketing scheme.
I mean if Bo Nix, if he beatsWashington on Friday night and
throws for like three touchdowns, 300 yards, just as his average

(25:07):
game on the season, he wins theHeisman easily.
Yeah, but they can't give it tohim because he had his moment
and he fumbled it, yep.
And they can't give it to Penexbecause Penex tanked at the end
of the year.
I mean he was awful the lastfour games, like he was throwing
picks, like he was just notgood.

(25:29):
He wasn't the reason they wonthose games.
Because they're defense in therun game.
Yeah, don't you guys agree withthat?
If Florida State just wouldhave ran the Wildcat like they
did in the one play thatactually worked and they ran it
for 70 yards, if they just do itand did that the entire game,
that would have completelychanged the narrative.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, I mean they should have just rested all
their players last three weeks.
Just give it up.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
We can't do that.
The problem is the committee isable to like if you have a
great quarterback and yousupplant them with a quarterback
that's nowhere near as good,then the committee has to
acknowledge that injury, likeyou're forcing them to analyze.
Okay, this guy's stats atquarterback.

(26:17):
Their offense is not the samewith Jordan Travis without him.
But if you just remove thatposition and just play Wildcat
and run the ball every play,maybe throw it like triple
option, whatever, throw it pastevery 10 plays, keep them honest
.
You force the committee to belike wow, they revamped their

(26:39):
entire team.
They're a better team, not abetter team, but they're a good
football team, not just a goodquarterback.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yep, they lost their quarterback, they got unlucky
Would they be able to?

Speaker 3 (26:52):
would they be able to trust that Like completely new
offense to beat Louisville, ifthat's what it took?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
No offense, Corey, but they were playing Florida
the last game.
I think that was their bestattempt to try it.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
That's fair, I mean how many Russian yards did.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Corey, I just want to ask you a question how many
Russian yards did Ray Davis havein the first half of Florida?

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Like, wasn't it like 270, something 275.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, so that's the team that they tried against.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
We were gashed at the end of the season, by the way,
let it be known.
If it worked, it's because wewere gashed.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Corey, I have a question for you as a Gator fan.
Would you have rather beatenFSU or seeing them flame out
like this?
Is this funnier?

Speaker 3 (27:45):
No, I would have rather beaten them, because it
would have been similar.
We would have ended theirseason instead of the committee
doing it.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, they get to end the season, that's definitely
better.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Sorry, sorry the question.
Sorry, the question sucked.
I was just.
I was just promoted fordiscussion.
I started to get that to go, sothat's why I offered it to.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Corey Corey.
When was the last time Floridastormed the field at the swamp?
That's a stupid question.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
It was last year Last year.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Who did they beat last year at home?
I?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
don't know, I don't watch college football.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I'm the field at the swamp.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
No, it's a good question.
When was the last time that?
I don't.
I can't think of a time thatFlorida has stormed the field.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Did they do it when they beat Tennessee?
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
This year.
Yeah, no, no, they didn't stormthe field when they beat
Tennessee.
That was early in the season.
You guys thought you guys werereally good by that, remember.
You guys thought you werereally good.
And then the next week you know, it's not key.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Oh, going into the Tennessee game, or like coming
out of the Tennessee game, youmean.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, coming out of Tennessee game.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Oh yeah, you were back.
Yeah, yeah, but not going intoit.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
You guys, okay, you guys I mean no, we got beat by
Utah and then was like, oh,we're not really, yeah.
And then Tennessee was the gamewhere you guys thought you were
going to be decent.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
And then I think we only beat.
I don't know if we had playedCharlotte by then, but we only
beat Charlotte by like 10 pointsor something.
Yeah, I have no idea, thoughthat's not something that would
be stored in my memory.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
We're looking at Saturday down south the last
time every SEC team.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Never Florida, just like Alabama Florida just like
Alabama.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Florida, just like Alabama.
Did you just look it up?
Did you find the same thing?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Chris, are you going to say something?

Speaker 1 (29:36):
I was reading the Florida one.
It said just like Alabama,they're over it.
Yeah, they never rushed thefield.
Been there, done that, been toogood rush field.
As a fan, I probably shouldhave done that this is an old
article too, because I justwatched ball.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
That's all I do.
Oh, this is seven years ago,kentucky.
We stormed the field two yearsago when we beat Florida.
Now it's an everyday occurrence.
So we don't just storm thefield, just do it every year.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Slow rebuild coming out.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Slow rebuild, Wow.
So in the SEC the first offensefor rushing the field is
$100,000.
Second offense is $250,000.
And every subsequent violationis $0.5 million.
So it's just good businesssense to not storm the field.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
So what are you guys doing for the games on New
Year's Eve?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
I'm going to watch.
Remember last year when I hadmy epic thing.
I'm going to watch.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
You're going to watch ?
Oh, never mind, I was going todo something else.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
What were you saying, Andrew?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I said watch me, this year I'll do my predictions,
like last year, where I wouldhave thought every game was
going to be a blowout and itended up being like the greatest
playoff games of all time.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
We'll see.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
I actually think it's going to be a good playoff.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
I think it's going to be an amazing playoff.
It's going to be the best oneso far.
What's your, what's everyone'spredictions?
Who's in the championship andwho wins it?
I feel like a.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Alabama Rematch, Alabama Texas rematch would be
interesting.
That's what.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I'm thinking, I think Texas is going to win it.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I think Texas is going to.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Texas can't beat Alabama twice, man, there's no
way.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
It's Alabama.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
They're going to win.
Michigan's got too muchpressure.
Think about it.
Alabama is.
They're playing with housemoney right now and that's scary
for Nick Saban.
They were playing with housemoney against Georgia, Now
they're playing with house moneyin the playoff.
Yeah, it's really smart.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
They didn't have.
He didn't have stats andBennett, it's crutch.
You don't think Jim Harbaugh isgoing to fold.
He's never won a playoff game.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Now it's time for the khaki pants.
We'll be ready.
Has Michigan ever played a teamthis year with like a mobile
quarterback, like a good one,kyle McCord?
True Good point, thank you,never mind.
Future coast of Carolinasuperstar, kyle McCord Is that
who that is NC State Stand up.

(32:14):
Do we know if he has or hasn't?
I always got a pretty lethalquarterback right.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
No, whatever the over is Bethe over, like it's.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
What if the over is like 75 and a half?

Speaker 2 (32:29):
You got two conflicting styles.
Yeah, honestly, I think Alabamamight win that game.
I honestly think they might beable to beat blowouts.
I think Texas might vote raceWashington and I think Alabama
might just dominate Michigan.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
I can see Texas vote.
I tried to reuse the phrase butI forgot it.
What is it?
Boat racing, boat housing SteamSteamboating yeah, steamboat
housing, steamboat rolling.
I can see Texas steamboatrolling Washington, but I don't
think Alabama's going to do itto Michigan Steamboating.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, you can see them steamboating.
It's going to be a boat race.
Anyway, you cut it, roll theboats.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Also shout out Brandon, release the renders.
Mission accomplished Releasethe renders.
Did he ever see them?
I think they sent the picturesof it, he did Okay.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Back.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, we'll see it might even.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
We'll see USF's new stadium or Grand Theft Auto 6.
Probably released around thesame time.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
What if Kyle McCord comes to USF?
He must have sold therenderings, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
How long has it been since they've been at a bowl
game?
It's been a long time.
How's it?

Speaker 3 (33:49):
I don't know, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
So Harry's back on Arsenal now.
That's the new kick Top of thetable.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Did he do it again?
Yeah, they got lucky today.
Unreal.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, they were losing to Luton.
Hey, the good thing is, if theyjust keep waiting, they're
going to be okay, right.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, exactly like last year.
They just have to keep winning.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Should I say that to Harry?
Hey, at least there's nocommittee.
Harry's a focus on style points.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yeah, you need to start a steamboat rolling these
teams.
Harry, your ass is toast.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Well, with that, should we turn it over to Mr
Neil Feinberg.
Sounds good to me.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
All right, neil, great guy.
Can't say enough about him.
Great guy.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Great guy, neil's a great guy.
Got to have him back on whenthey open.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
You know, Neil was talking to you, talking about
how Florida State were fraudsright A couple weeks.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, right before we were in there.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, that's a great plug.
I should have started with that, but yeah, neil called it.
He said the ACC are frauds.
He's seen it for the past 18months materializing what it's
turned into today.
We recorded it two weeks agoand it's come to fruition here.
So congrats to Neil, give himhis flowers.
And yeah, here's Neil.

(35:16):
All right, now we're going towelcome on a very special guest.
We have Neil Feinberg.
He is the president of FloridaIndoor Racket Club, a premier
indoor air conditioned tennisand pickleball facility located
in southeast Florida.
Neil is a certified tennisprofessional by the United
States Professional TennisAssociation as well as the

(35:37):
Professional Tennis Registry,and as a pickleball coach by the
Professional PickleballRegistry.
He has extensive experience intennis and we welcome on to talk
about the new Florida IndoorRacket Club as well as tennis in
general.
We go a deep dive into thesport of tennis, which we have
not done yet on sports broughs.
It was great to welcome him on.
And here we go, neil Feinberg.

(35:58):
All right, I think we're back.
So we didn't quite get thatheartbreaking moment.
Could you just walk us throughthat again?
Yeah, this one's off here.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
I'm in North Carolina , summer tennis camp will be Van
Horn Tennis Camp, pinehurst,north Carolina.
It's probably 1982.
And I'm playing in a tournamentwhere the youngest kid and the
other kids are bigger, older,somehow.
I've gotten to thequarterfinals and I'm playing
Jonathan Bloom from Huntington,long Island, and I'm up five

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love, 40 love.
In the first set I was justzoning and feeling it and then
it was.
I was about to close it out andall of a sudden it hit me.
What was happening?
It became real and I started tochoke and I couldn't breathe
and I couldn't really even swingmy racket and I double faulted.
The next thing I knew Icouldn't even get a serve into

(36:58):
the box and I think I doublefaulted the entire game away.
So now it's five one, five two,five, three and I lose the
whole set and then I was justshattered.
So he blew me out the secondset and that was my first time
experiencing choking.
I'd never experienced it before.

(37:18):
It's a physical thing thatreally had starts mentally, but
then it becomes physical and myperformance had exceeded my
expectations and probably evenmy self worth.
I didn't think I was goodenough to beat this guy.
So even though I was beatinghim.
Some part of me found a way tolose and it was devastating.

(37:39):
Like here I am.
It's now.
It's over 40 years later.
I remember the court I was on.
I remember the feeling in mychest.
I remember the look on his face.
He couldn't even believe whatwas happening.
He was like you should bebeating me and I lost and it
haunts me to this.
It'll probably haunt me till mydying day.
I probably need to back himdown and challenge him to

(38:03):
rematch.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I think so, I think, yeah, I think so.
I think we need to be there ifthat's the case.
But it sounds like a rematch isin the cards, 40 years later.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, I mean, if you have a heartbreaking moment when
you're 12 years old, I don'tknow I'm sure the chances of you
forgetting about it at thispoint are pretty slim.
Right, stick with you for solong.
What were the stakes of thismatch?
Like you said, quarterfinals,like, was this a national
tournament?

Speaker 5 (38:41):
No, it was a tennis camp, but it was kind of a
pretty high level camp.
There were a lot of playerswhich I was not nationally
ranked, but every week therewould be a tournament.
At the end of the week Is therebe a new influx of kids or some
kids would leave, and so everyweek there'd be a tournament.
And it was a big deal to usback then and to get that far

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was just like just beyond mycomprehension.
I just couldn't believe I couldbe that good to beat somebody
that much bigger and older andbetter, wow, you know.
And now I've had a whole careerof tennis and coaching and I can
understand like now istechniques and there's a whole
science behind relaxing yourbody and all of that.

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And I work with players onvisualization and exercises and
building up self-esteem becauseyou've got to have a big head.
The bigger the head, the betterthe player, the better the
athlete.
And if your head's not bigenough we see it in sports all
the time the teams that willfind a way to lose, no matter
how good the matter who they'rebeating, they will find a way to

(39:49):
fumble the football, score anown goal, double, fall, you name
whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
That's the teams we root for, yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
That's what they do.
Yeah, I mean, the best athletesare their psychopaths a little
bit.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
You kind of have to be.
Yeah, it's not a nice thing.
You're not going out theretrying to get into a different
state of mind, a champion stateof mind, and it looks like times
I'm an asshole when I'm winning, I get myself so fired but I'm
the nice guy I'm going tocollapse.

(40:25):
So yeah, I think we got to havea safe place to let out the
caveman, and better we do it onthe field or the tennis court,
then behind the wheel of our car, or in the workplace or at home
with our families.
We need a completely comeunhinged.

(40:46):
So I do it down here in Florida.
I'm the old man on the court now, but I play Battle of Boca and
it's all teenagers and collegekids and they're ranked.
They are high, nationallyranked players.
Some of them have gone on toturn pro.
Back then Shelton, who just gotpretty far in the US open.

(41:08):
He was playing the battle Bocalast year, so really I still
don't.
Yeah, I'll try to get a gooddoubles partner if I play in the
doubles.
I was lucky enough to get EvoKarlovitch to place my doubles
partner up there to it.
You know who he is.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Just by.
Basically you told me on ourprevious call, but sounds like
pretty impressive.
Yeah, it's a pretty gooddoubles combination for Dr.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
Evo.
He's six foot 10.
He had the world record forfastest service until someone
else 156 miles an hour and he'sone of the ace leaders of all
time, you know.
So I still play when I can, butas far as the singles go,
florida heat, dead of summer, 18year old kids.

(41:54):
I've had COVID a couple oftimes.
Man, that's sure I can hangwith that, but that's why.
That's why we're open an airconditioning indoor club.
So no matter what they.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, my question.
I was, like you talked aboutthis Florida heat.
If only someone had, you know,a facility, that's, you know,
air conditioned in the state ofFlorida.
Do you know of any of thosefacilities that might be within
the state of Florida?

Speaker 5 (42:20):
Funny you should say so.
Yeah, so, after being down herefor just the painfully brutally
hot summers and the frequentrains, we said why is there no
air conditioned indoor club downhere?
I know we're not the only onessuffering in this heat, and it
turns out that it takes a veryspecial kind of well.

(42:43):
First you need a lot of moneyand then you have to have a
certain structure with privatemembers to keep the business
going, because if it's just opento the public, people just come
on the rainy days and theycherry pick when they want to
come and you're out of businesswithin a year.
But if you could find the rightplace so that's what we're
doing we're going to, you know,try to change the whole how the
tennis industry is done downhere and offer something that's

(43:04):
never been offered before, andthen they will come is the
vision and the hope.
So, florida the racket clubscoming and we're going to be
opening around February of 2025and pompano beach We've got five
and a half acres.
We're going to have eightindoor tennis courts and two of

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those actually may be convertedinto six pickleball.
We're still making thatdecision, but it's going to be
just beautiful climatecontrolled and people will be
thrilled to finally get out ofthe heat, and I think it might
actually make tennis playersstay down here in the summertime
, because right now they fleeand they go up north where it's

(43:46):
cooler.
But if they actually have acool off doors they might even
stay.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
Yep, yep.
So that's the dream, and we'reclose to site plan approval and
then we break ground and we'regoing for it.
We got we got some big nametennis players that are involved
in the project BiancaAndriyescu, who won the US Open
in 2019, she made a great videoand she's been helping to talk
about our club, as has EvoKarlovich, and we're talking to

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some other big, high rankedplayers that are currently on
the tour.
Another fun thing about theclub is that you'll be able to
hit with some of the biggestplayers in the world, which is
like a huge dream, so awesome.
Yeah, I don't know what yourfavorite sports are, but imagine
you could just get on the fieldor the court with your favorite
players and train with them andcompete against them for a few

(44:38):
minutes.
You've got to try to return EvoKarlovich's 156 mile an hour
serve.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm a big golf fan, so obviously
Southeast Florida is a big havenfor golfers.
Is it a pretty big haven fortennis players as well, training
in the off season?
It?

Speaker 5 (44:56):
seems like most of them are here year round, within
about where we are.
Well, we got the Miami Open 20minutes from our club at the
Hard Rock Stadium.
Got the Delray Open about 20,30 minutes north of us.
And everywhere I go I ran intoAmanda Anasamova getting her
COVID shot and CBS Name.

(45:21):
She won the Australian Open afew years ago.
Her name's escaping me rightnow.
They're all down here, they'reeverywhere you go, they're
training.
And we got to Crandon Park andKeep Us Gain.
See Gilmour and Fees out thereand Adrian Manarino and yeah,
they had a place here.

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Chris Everett Academy is nearby.
Rick Macy Academy is nearby.
This is kind of the tennisepicenter of the universe, I
could say.
I mean, they live all over theworld but in the highest
concentration, south Florida iswhere they live and train.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Okay, yeah, in Pompano Beach.
Corey, how far are you fromPompano Beach A?

Speaker 3 (46:04):
couple of hours.
Yeah, I'm in Florida, myers, soit's a little over two, two and
a half.
I'd say yeah, right across thealley, very cool.
But so is it Florida IndoorTennis Club or Florida Indoor
Racket Club.
So we've seen some FloridaIndoor Racket Club Racket Club.
And when did that idea start?

(46:26):
When did you first think of it?
When you were 12 years old,right after the loss in
Pinehurst.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
North Carolina.
Yeah, ben's against the world.
No, it was three years ago.
I moved down here during thepandemic and I was coaching a
player full time and, as me andhis father sat watching him
during these matches and goingto train with him on a daily
basis, that was when the ideacame to us.

(46:53):
We just kept looking at eachother and he'd done this.
It seems like a no-brainer foryour vision.
And to find the land is a lotharder than you might think,
because every acre ofundeveloped land has been
snatched up from Miami all theway up to Pinehurst, from the
ocean all the way to theEverglades.
It's all been bought anddeveloped.

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But we searched on the marketfor about a year and then, off
market, I found an attractiveland.
It's called Opportunity ZoneLand and it used to be the Palm
Air Gulf course.
So literally like the sandtraps are still there, and nine
holes of it was for sale.
The other nine holes wereconverted A housing community, a

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housing development, and so webought these acres and we
rezoned it and we're going forit.
That sounds awesome.
Yeah, I suppose that name isbecause we want to have the
ability to add Padel as well asPickleball as well as Tess.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Absolutely, yeah.
Maybe while Andrew's gettinghis mic situation figured out, I
want to ask what your?
I don't know if this isAndrew's question or not, it
could be.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Sorry, it came to me the girl that won the Australian
Open that I see around town.
Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
What was her name?
Sorry, you cut out what was hername.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Kenan.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Kenan.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Oh okay, okay, I want to ask oh, here it is, sophia.
Kenan 25.
Sorry, there you go.
What is the reputation, I guess, of somebody like you in the
professional tennis realm ofPickleball, kind of the?
I mean Picklesball has been ona big trajectory climb where I

(48:41):
am, at least, in SouthwestFlorida.
But what does it look like inSoutheast Florida?
What's the, what's your feelingon it and how it's growing?

Speaker 5 (48:49):
It's gone utterly viral.
It's everywhere, yeah, and overthe country, but it's really
taken over down here and at allthe outdoor parks.
They've converted a lot oftennis courts into Pickleball
courts, and one of the places Ilike to play outdoors is in
Plantation, where they have 24outdoor courts and they're all
full day and all night.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
I'm sure of it, oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
Go there.
It's the greatest socialconnector that I've ever seen in
my lifetime and there theculture that's very it's kind of
different from tennis.
You could just go up, put yourpaddle on the net post and
that's the symbol for I got next, like if you were in the pool
hall, like the billiards hall,you just put your court around
the table.
But in Pickleball you put yourpaddle there and then you get

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the next game and if you win,you get to stay on and play
another.
If you lose, you got to wait.
That's one thing that kind ofdoes stink about the public
courts.
That'll be different at ourplace is that if you rent a
court, you have the court, youdon't get bumped, lose.
And actually we have the numberfive Pickleball player in the
world I want to say his nameright, david Igna Taowich, who's

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also going to be training atour facility, and we plan to
host Pickleball events as well,as you know, tennis tournaments.
So Pickleball is, it's fun andthe beauty of it is that you're
playing matches instantly, evenif you've never picked up a
paddle before.
Within five minutes you'rerallying and playing matches,

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whereas with tennis it couldtake months, sometimes even, you
know, years, to get good enoughto rally and play full matches.
So the simplicity, ease oflearning make it incredible.
Very cool yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
I've never.
I've never played, never playedPickleball, but what I feel
like it's, you know, the pastfew years it's, year over year,
exponentially increasing inpopularity.
Do you attribute that toanything particular as to why
it's growing at such a rapidpace?

Speaker 5 (50:54):
Somehow the pandemic was involved.
People needed to wait for usand be far enough away from each
other where they weren'tgetting sick.
And it's funny because intennis at the end of a match you
shake hands up at net, butnobody wanted to shake hands
during the pandemic.
So you tap the paddle againstthe opponent's paddle, but I
guess some people are tappingtoo hard and they would smash

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paddles and crack them.
So you're at the edge of thefoot, so that the hand taps the
handle of your opponent.
Yeah, so that seems to be whenit really blew up big time,
because the sport itself wasinvented over 30 years ago.
I don't know if you know thehistory, but these two men were

(51:37):
on vacation in Maine with theirfamilies and it was like a rainy
day and they were in thebasement looking for something
to do and they just inventedthis game.
They were like they took acouple of badminton rackets and
they put up a net and they justmade up a couple rules and they
started playing and it grewthere.
But it really went withexplosive growth over the last

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few years.
So if I had to pick a singleevent that seemed to really
accelerate it, I would somehowcorrelate it to the timing of
the beginning of the pandemic,not when people were locked in
their homes, but when peoplewere eager and desperate to get
out.
It's sort of semi-final.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Interesting, yeah, and I think, like you said, just
the easeability of just pickingit up in five minutes and being
able to play, I suppose, tennis, which I know I'm not very good
, it takes a lot more work toplay tennis.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Andrew.
Andrew, you have a question?
Yeah, beautiful Mike, soundsgreat.
All right, perfect.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Sorry about that.
Well, I was trying to jump inthere and say is there going to
be squash?
What is the distinction betweensquash and tennis racket ball?
Is that looked down upon?
Is that a sport that's going tobe part of this?

Speaker 5 (52:59):
I don't think either is looked down upon.
It really just depends whatsport you know the best.
I've been doing tennis fouryears old, so that's in my blood
, you know, and I've beenrunning tennis clubs for over 25
years.
So I know tennis really reallywell.
And I've now gotten certifiedas a pickleball instructor and
I've been playing a ton of itthe last couple of years so I

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know pickleball also.
Pedal I'm new to but I knowthat it's growing in popularity.
Squash I've played a few times.
It's kind of a wristier strokeas opposed to tennis, which is
more of an elongated stroke.
And so it's not because one isbetter than the other.
I just kind of want to go withthe sports that I know best and

(53:42):
that feel have the heaviestdemand, and to me those seem
like pickleball and tennis.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah, I just know squash from like the Northeast
is where I know it, from likeNew York area, chicago, philly
maybe I haven't heard too muchof it down here Same.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Well, it's almost like pickleball is substituting
the squash.
Like you know, it's been acountry club and there's all
these squash courts, but nowpeople are starting to play
pickleball you know retiredpeople.
So I don't know, maybe that'scapturing that demographic.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
I think squash it's played indoors and that usually
is going to involve some form ofa private or paid for facility.
The fact that pickleball isusually free helps.
It's free no, it's free tolearn and it's with people who

(54:35):
want to have a good time.
I mean.
What could be better than that?
You know, if you want to, justwalked up to three people on the
court and said, hi, could Ijoin you?
They'd be like who are you?
What are you doing?
But in pickleball it's likethey don't discriminate.
You could be a man or a womanor a child or a grown up or a
year obese, like nobody cares.
There's a very accepting kindof attitude where you'll pretty

(54:59):
much let anyone go on the courtwith you for at least a game.
If they totally suck, you beatthem, then you play someone else
.
But there's no snootiness thatI've encountered around
pickleball and that's reallycool.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
I was wondering that.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
Yeah, such a kind of beautiful, you know, social
connector and it makes it such acultural thing.
It's that, I think, a sportthat brings people together
instantly.
You're meeting people.
If you look at how manypickleball groups there are on
Facebook, I mean it's incrediblephones, over a hundred groups.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Crazy, yeah, yeah.
And they're building thesesocial clubs like Topgolf that
are going to be like restaurantsand bars.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Oh really.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Pickleball courts?
Yeah, oh, I didn't know.
I started building them out inTexas so Neil was interested.
When you so what I do for aliving is I'm a civil engineer
that does real estatedevelopment.
So when you were talking aboutfinding sites and stuff, I've
done a lot of work in Florida soI've been through that whole
process Okay, multiple times iswhat I do for a living.
It's very I could.
I could understand that.

(56:08):
Yeah, it's very hard to findgood, good land like vacant lots
at this point, especially downthere, and the way the
development has been boomingit's insane.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Yeah, For years ago.
It exploded even to a wholeother level when the whole world
started moving into Florida.
But the comics and the spatialrequirement of pickleball make
it a dream from a businessperspective.
So there's a restaurant andpickleball clubs that are called
chicken and pickle.

(56:38):
It's huge, yep, yep.
There's an organization calledpickle mall, where they go into
empty spaces and malls and theyput indoor sports boards.
Because you don't need the kindof height that you need for
tennis.
You need minimum of 35 feet ofindoor height for pickleball.
You can play with, you know, 20feet, maybe 25 or, but you can

(57:00):
get away with 20.
And because it's a wiffle ball,speed and power don't really
matter that much.
As fast as you hit it it startslosing speed.
The second it leaves yourracket.
So you can put three spaciouspickleball courts, or four
narrower pickleball courts withless room between the courts, on

(57:23):
the space of one tennis court.
So the economics are incredible.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, I didn't think about that.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
No, it sounds like.
Is that going to be a bigcomponent of your new facility
Having the pickleball feature?
Is it going to be because wekind of talked about the
training part of it too?
Is it going to be half and halfa club versus in a training
facility?
Yeah, or is there?

Speaker 5 (57:47):
going to be.
Yeah, things that are adjoining.
So there's the tennis structureand I can share with you.
I'll share some renderings thatyou guys can maybe, in
post-production or whatever, putin the podcast, but building it
is a brick and mortar structure.
It's about 50,000 square feetand that's going to have.

(58:10):
We're still figuring out ifwe're gonna do eight tennis
courts.
Probably we're gonna do sixtennis and six pickleball and
we're gonna have an acousticcurtain to muffle the loud
popping noise of hitting thepickleball, which is, if you've
never heard it, it's Right.
We have to contend with thatissue because there are

(58:34):
sometimes battling cultures withtennis players and pickleball
players.
But we're gonna just be one big, happy family and we're gonna
have a acoustic sound buffer sothey can coexist.
So that's in the court buildingand then adjoining that is a
separate building which is theclubhouse, and the clubhouse
will have the restaurant, thelocker rooms, the pro shop.

(58:55):
We're gonna have a and a gymand ping pong.
It's gonna be very familyfriendly and kind of place you
wanna hang out, even if you'renot playing, just cause it's
beautiful and the food's great,and you wanna get out of the
house and chill somewhere.
It's a great place to chill.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Air conditioned.
That sounds awesome.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah, very cool.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
But I ran the club up in New York City, yorkville
tennis.
I ran it for like nine yearsand I would say in summertime
nothing makes people angrierthan when they get hot and it's
irritable.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
And.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Especially people in New York.
New York tennis.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
Because it's very Face of New York.
We had two tennis courts thatwere located on top of a parking
garage and then bubbled abovethat and the constantly being
inflated by the air compressor.
But then we separately had anair conditioning unit which was
basically powered by pretty muchlike a jet engine and that was

(59:59):
located up on top of its ownbuilding that I had to climb up
on a ladder in the middle ofsummer when I was freezing and
restart this old prehistoricmachine and when it cut out, men
, they wanted air conditioning,Air conditioning, they had a lot
of money for it and if it cutout they were furious.

(01:00:19):
So we're gonna have thenecessary ampage and BTU.
The place is gonna be like ameat locker, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Yeah, could be a little expensive.
We're on the AC for a facilitythat big, yeah.
But yeah, what's funny, I justdid the indoor track facility.
I'm up in Lexington, so theUniversity of Kentucky, I helped
design the indoor trackfacility we just did here and
they opted for no AC because ofthe cost, because, really,

(01:00:52):
because it's so expensive tohave an AC, yeah, yeah, so what
you could kinda do with thetrack.
So we're gonna have the roll updoors so you can get a lot of
crosswind.
But I could see in a tennisfacility you really don't want
that crosswind.
Yeah, you're trying to playtennis.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Especially with a pickleball.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
I just blow through.
I've played in indoor placeslike that where they didn't have
to spend the money and, yeah,even if they turned fans on,
well, they're just blowing hotair.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
You know.
So that's no fun.
I did a lot of research talkingto indoor air conditioned
bubbles and clubs.
I talked to guys who did it thecheap way and those who did it
the more expensive way, andwe're gonna have AC blowers on
both sides of the building, youknow, at the north end and the
south end, because if you justhave it on the north end you

(01:01:43):
gotta hope the cold air goesacross eight courts and then
people probably.
Yeah, the cold court, not thehot end of the building, so
we're gonna have AC on both endsblowing.
Yeah, that's what people arepaying top dollar for.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Mm-hmm Sweet.
Well, I have a question for you, Neil.
You mentioned we kind oftouched on this over the phone
but say I have a two year oldthat wants to get involved in
tennis.
Good place in the state ofFlorida with a three year old
tennis program, Maybe airconditioned.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
That's a matter.
So I've been coaching we usedto call them Peewees but we'll
say little kids from age two andup for 25, 30 years.
And I just figured out, youknow, I also had sort of a
background in comedy.
So I figured out that the idealtennis pro is part comedian,
part psychologist and partactual tennis instructor.

(01:02:37):
And with kids, if you can makea kid laugh, you can make a kid
learn.
And so the whole key is thevery first time you get a child
on the court you have to givethem the simplest, easiest tasks
they can actually achieve.
And that means now I'm recentlynow a father and I have a three
and a half year old.
So that means I take like thesegiant soap bubbles that you

(01:03:00):
blow, you know, like that, oryou dip them in the soap and you
pull it through the air, andthese giants and kids love it
and they can chase them and popthem with a racket and they
think they're just popping abubble.
But I'm doing sort of a MrMiyagi training technique that
they don't realize they'relearning I hand coordination.
We're working on their basicmotor skills.

(01:03:21):
He thinks he's popping a bubble.
He doesn't realize he's hittinga four hand volley and an
overhead smash and a servicemotion.
Start with stuff like that.
Then you can move on toballoons, because they're big
and they move very slowlythrough the air and the worst
thing you do is like get a kidon a court with an adult sized
net.
You put a rack in his hand, hestarts throwing balls to him.

(01:03:42):
He's gonna nine out of 10 balls.
He's gonna get frustrated andsay I wanna go home and get on
my and I wanna go.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Yeah, I quit.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
Yeah, this is hard.
But and you put him on a big shehad a bubble pack and you make
him jump up and down and pop thebubbles and he's having fun.
What you're working on isfootwork, his balance, his
acceleration and decelerationand explosive first step like
lateral movement, like all thesethings he doesn't know is going
on, and the next thing you knowhe's having so much fun that he

(01:04:14):
just wants to keep going andplaying games with you.
And so, over the course of time, I've developed the first
legitimate, bonafidetwo-year-old tennis program,
because as a nation, we havelost all our best athletes to
other sports.
We lost them to basketball andbaseball and soccer and football

(01:04:35):
and all these things, becausetennis is just too hard.
So what happened was around2010,.
The USDA realized that and theysaid we need to change how
tennis is taught and theyintroduced what they call the
Quick Start Program, which usessmaller courts, smaller nets,
smaller rackets and foam balls.
But it's still too hard andkids need instant success and

(01:05:00):
validation and encouragement tostay with something and they get
frustrated very easily,especially in today's world of
instant gratification.
So that's okay, likegratification on a tennis court,
but just get smarter and morecreative.
And I'll never forget the firstsummer I ran a three-year-old
tennis program.
I was the assistant coach andthe head coach was a former

(01:05:21):
elementary school principal andhe was in his 70s.
His name was Norm and the kids'favorite part of the lesson was
when they took the tennisbasket and they would pick the
balls up and put them in thebasket Like they loved it.
They did meal to it and I saidwhy?
And he said because they canactually do it.
And that's the point for me andhow I teach kids.

(01:05:43):
Like, don't worry about itbeing too easy or too.
No such thing to a toddler astoo easy or too simple.
The whole key is you have toget them addicted to an
experience that is fun, and letthem hit you in the face with
the ball over and over again andwhatever makes them laugh and

(01:06:05):
have fun.
And they keep coming back andthe next thing you know, they
start acquiring skills.
And then you raise the bar alittle higher and you make it a
little more challenging and thenyou got a full-blown addict in
tennis players yeah, get thatroutine going yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, what you talked about,neil, with how other sports are
taking over a little bit in theyouth.
That leads me to my nextquestion, because we know a
little bit about the path ittakes for other sports to get
from the youth levels up to thehigh school, collegiate and then
into the pros, and sometimesthose sports high school weighs

(01:06:42):
a little bit more than othersports Sometimes college does.
What is the progression fromtennis, from a very young age of
tennis?
How do they progress throughthe ranks and how do they get to
where they need to be in termsof turning pro?
Because I'm sure for parents,for kids, I'm sure as a
professional yourself, that's abig attraction for the tennis

(01:07:02):
club.
How does that work Well?

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
the ages of eight to 12 are considered the golden
years of tennis development.
That's what teachinginstructors believe.
I believe that you have to getthem really hooked in before
that.
But as parents and instructorsand nurturers and teachers you
always are finding you're tryingto find an even balance between

(01:07:27):
nurturing and fun versusteaching, and teaching involves
competition, but you don't wantthem getting discouraged by
losing too soon.
So the youngest age for anycompetition sanctioned by the
USDA, the United States TennisAssociation, is eight and under
tennis and the kids are playingon 35 foot courts, which is half

(01:07:51):
the size you and I would plan agrown-up court which is 78 feet
and the net for the kids isthree feet tall, versus the net
you and I would plan which isthree and a half feet tall, and
the balls bounce lower and therules are very simple and the
original, the youngest leveltournaments are called.
They're not even calledtournaments, they're called play
days and they're very easy toset up.

(01:08:13):
You don't even use a banner.
So if the kid hits the ball andit goes under the banner, he
loses the point, but he does nothave to experience the
frustration of hitting the ballin the net.
So the first competitiveexperience for these kids
usually happens around the ageof.
It could be the age of three,four or five.

(01:08:36):
By the ages of six, yep, yep,by the age.
The next stage is on a 60 footcourt where they're using orange
balls.
The age below that were redballs that bounce lower.
And now, for the 60 foot court,the rackets are no longer 19

(01:08:56):
inch rackets Now they've movedup to 23 inch rackets and now
they're keeping score.
The rules are getting a littlemore enforced.
They're serving by themselves,they're playing out points, and
so that's from ages six to eight, and then from ages eight to 10

(01:09:17):
, they move back to the fulllength court, but they're still
not using yellow balls.
So, using yellow balls with thegreen dot that are low
compression and they bouncelower, okay, after that, some
kids by the age of 10 are readyfor full court, and no kid
really wants to go through thatprogression.

(01:09:38):
They all want to think they'replaying real tennis and get back
to the baseline and play thegrownup version.
But there's a method to themadness, because if they play
grownup tennis too soon, theywill distort their stroke,
they'll use the wrong grip,they'll do anything they have to
do to get the ball over the netand they form bad muscle memory
from a very early age.
That's harder to undo later.
So the key is to start on thesmall courts with the low net,

(01:10:05):
with the low bouncing balls, andjust make it the funnest
experience possible.
I was always struck by so theBryan brothers are the
winningest doubles team inhistory and their father only
had one question.
He would ask them, on the wayhome from a tournament, pizza or
pasta.
I loved it, because there's nocriticism you can give to a

(01:10:27):
child, or helpful, constructivecriticism or teaching or
whatever on the way home from atournament that he hasn't
already lashed himself with.
So all child needs at thatpoint, if he hasn't won the
tournament, is just some loveand go out to a nice meal and
make it family time and that'sit.
And then you get back on thepractice court and you say, okay
, what you need to do better isthis, this and this, and now

(01:10:48):
we're gonna work on it.
And so the whole key is to keepa kid going, and so the legacy
if you ever read his book openhis big secret that he reveals
in the book is that he hatestennis and that he's really boy.
The father who was abusive andcoaching him and who built an

(01:11:08):
extra ball machine I think hecalled it the dragon that had a
special attachment to hold likea thousand balls and the kid
couldn't leave the court till heplayed the dragon and hit all
the balls.
And I don't think you torturekids.
To make a champion does take aspecial kind of drive and
dedication.
But so that's my goal is tojust start them as young as

(01:11:35):
possible, make them fall in loveby virtue of their own success,
not just by compliment but thedifference between what's real
and what's just fake compliments.
And there's nothing moresatisfying than to a child than
actually hitting a great shotand seeing he did that on his
own and that makes him wannakeep coming back for more.

(01:11:58):
And so when I used to runtournaments at any of the clubs
that I ran, first thing is likeit was a party.
Everyone got a medal, certainlyif they were three, four, five,
six, seven years old.
But when I coached individualkids, I always made sure to pick
a tournament that they wereeither gonna win or at least do
very, very well in, because youget crushed your first time, you

(01:12:21):
ain't going back.
And then eventually, as theysay, you get success, you get
confident, raise the bar higherand then you're into it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
So one of the kids that I coached early on one of
my favorite kids of all time Istarted working with was seven
years old was TJ Pura.
And TJ was into soccer at thetime.
But I saw the physical talenton this kid.
His father was a triathleteIron man.
His father had been drafted bythe Kansas City Royals at a high
school and he turned it down toget a full scholarship to pitch

(01:12:55):
for a Harvard baseball team and.
But there were good genes inthat family and I could see
early on TJ had talent.
So it got him really intotennis.
The father then saw it and goton board and because we made it
so much fun and he had a lot ofencouragement development, he
ended up doing well intournaments at a young age and
then he got on a Duke, playednumber three for the Tar Heels

(01:13:19):
and some of his contemporarieswere like Tommy Paul and Riley
O'Pelka guys who are currentlyhaving huge careers on the pro
tour.
Tj had a great experience also.
But I'm firmly convinced Ifsomebody had just come in crack
in the whip at an early age kidwould have bailed.
You know that's something thatcoaches all the time is burnout,

(01:13:40):
and we got to avoid the burnoutand the kid who feels like a
failure and just will hatetennis for the rest of his life.
If you manage them well,they'll love it, whether they
stay with it or not, and thelove will turn to passion and
drive Guys love it.
So yeah, yes, so that's my goalfrom you know, from the early

(01:14:02):
stage, and even more so now.
I always felt that way as acoach, but especially now as a
parent.
I see how quickly kids absorb,how much they want to learn, but
also how quickly they make uptheir mind whether they like
something or not, and that howgood they are at it.

(01:14:24):
If they're good at it, theywant to keep doing it, and if
it's just frustrating, bye Ow.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Same.
Yeah, that's me.

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
Yeah, it's adults also, and in the high-grade
world it'll only go so far.
It'll make them think, forgetthem one more time, but you want
them to catch kind of catchfire with it, you know, and that
magic.
So what I would do?
I had a little boy who workedwith, named Shepherd.

(01:14:55):
He was, how old was he?
He was five years old at thetime and I just came up with
creative ways for him to.
I had a huge bucket and hewould hit balls.
They would go in the bucket,would make a big, loud, booming
noise and let him hit me withballs.
And Shepherd ended up playingtournaments and he did well with
the Very cool, awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
I have a question this kind of kind of what you
brought up earlier as far astennis and you mentioned the
mental aspect of the game, likeyou mentioned about, you know,
choking earlier when it becomesphysical.
So how much of the game youknow you hear about it in golf
all the time how much of thegame is mental?
How much of the tennis game ismental, would you say?

Speaker 5 (01:15:40):
A tremendous amount.
I've placed more emphasis onthe mental probably the most
coaches do, because if you thinkabout how many thousands of
hours athletes spend working onon their muscles, on their
physical training, on theiraerobic stamina, all those
things, all critically important, right, but in the most evenly
matched competitions, what doesit end up coming always down to?

(01:16:00):
Who, in the critical moment, inthe tiebreaker, in the long
rally, who can, who cannot meltdown, who cannot push too hard,
too soon, who can be patient,who can be confident enough to
wait?
And that comes from a mentaldiscipline.
And the mental discipline canbe formed through many, many

(01:16:24):
exercises.
There are some physicalroutines that good coaches
coordinate among their playersafter analyzing hours and hours
of tape of all the greatathletes.
For example, the end of a pointwill transfer the racket from
the dominant hand to thenon-dominant hand.
They take a deep breath, theygo phew points over, they turn

(01:16:46):
their back to the court, theystart playing with the strings
on their racket and they'rewalking back to the base.
You know, it's a verycoordinated thing where you're
letting go of the tension andthen you start analyzing what
happened, you start regroupingand all the players each have
their own rituals they do toprime themselves before the next
point.
So some of the exercises thatI've done that have been very

(01:17:07):
effective with juniors are.
One of them is the braggingexercise.
So if you're my student, yousit and you're gonna talk
continuously to me for fivestraight minutes about all your
strengths, all your amazingqualities, all the things you do
.
Well, it's excruciatinglypainful for anyone to do this,
because in everyday societywe're taught like be humble, be

(01:17:30):
modest, don't boast, don't brag,let other people feel
comfortable around you.
But that's not what theathlete's trying to do.
The athlete's trying to win.
So the athlete asked to buildthis memory bank of all my many,
many great qualities andstrengths.
So that's the bragging exercise.
The second one is the victoryexercise.

(01:17:51):
And the victory exercise.
You talk to me and you tell meabout real victories that you
have experienced throughout yourlife Sort of the opposite of
how we started the podcast today.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
A little more motivational.

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
Yeah, you talked to me about every victory you've
had.
Now they could be on the tenniscourt or off the tennis court
First time I worked up the nerveto ask out a girl on a date,
first time I learned to cookpasta on my own, or the first
time I won a big match.
And as you talk about thesevictories, you start to see your
life as a series of victories,one after the other after the

(01:18:26):
other.
So when you're on the court inthat moment of fear and panic
and doubt and your heart's yourpounding, if you take a moment,
you're gonna all of a suddenremember this wave of victories
that you've experienced and soit feels natural that you could
prevail in this moment.
Also, because that's what I doin life I win, I've experienced
victories.

(01:18:46):
And it's not hypnosis, it's notsome like psycho babble.
These are real, genuinememories that they're based on
that a person's had and thewhole neurochemistry that you
experience of the victoriousmoment when it occurred.
Your brain and your bodyexperienced that again just when
you retell me the victory.

(01:19:08):
So that's another one.
And then the third one that Iuse is called creative
visualization, which has beenused by top athletes all around
the world Michael Phelps andmany, many others, and I'll have
a student, just sit eyes closedand I'll talk them through an
entire tennis match, one pointat a time, with the typical

(01:19:28):
challenges that they wouldexperience during a match.
Maybe they double faulting orsomebody's hooking them online
calls or they're experiencingwhatever the challenges are, and
then they find a way toovercome those and they'll be
there 15 minutes.
But when that player walks outon the next court for their next
match and some of those actualvisualization start to occur in

(01:19:48):
real life, they feel like theyhave been there before, they
feel like they've been throughit, so their body doesn't seize
up and tighten and panic.
So these are some of the waysthat players can essentially
just be their natural bestversion of themselves.
A lot of players who overplay orchoke.

(01:20:09):
In the big moments they feellike they have to step it up and
do something extra big andextra special and they push too
hard and they over hit and theylose and what they really need
to do is just stay in the sameflow state that got them as far
as they can come, and that onlycomes by believing in yourself

(01:20:30):
enough to not push too hard, nottake your foot off the gas.
You know, if you just pictureit like the engine, you don't
wanna be up in the red zone andyou don't wanna be not revving
at all.
You know you wanna kinda beright there in the middle to be
able to hit the gas when youhave to.
So those are some of theexercises that I like to use for
players and I've just seentremendous, immediate, dramatic

(01:20:53):
results with them.
But I swear, it's really weird,even players on the pro tour,
they don't wanna do it.
I'll spare them by not naminghim, but a friend of mine was
playing the US Open last yearand he was playing the number
one seed, first round, and Imade a video and I'll show you
guys the video.
I'll send it to you after I go.
Here's your game plan.

(01:21:14):
You can beat this guy.
These are the things you gottado, and I talked about a lot of
things.
We just did window.
You know there's.
I think some athletes have asort of mentality like, oh, this
is just too touchy feely.
I need to get stronger, I needto do more pushups, I need to

(01:21:34):
have more protein, I need morepotassium and magnesium.
You know what I mean.
Like all that and all thephysical conditioning training
is vital, not downplaying any ofthat but without this component
you've got this like superhumanphysical machine that mentally,
is gonna implode in thecritical moments.

(01:21:56):
So I'm a big believer that wegotta work harder in that area.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Sure yeah, that makes complete sense to me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
You think that's a case of players who you know
they lean on their strengthstrengths a little bit too much.
They avoid their weaknesses orthey're so dominant physically
that they love to just, you know, rely on that.
They don't even think about themental part of it.
If that's a little bit weak,take the work out on their type
thing.

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
I think it's human nature.
We rely on our strengths.
We over, and then any goodanalyst can just exploit the
weakness, and that's what agreat coach does.
There were some players on thetour that will hire a specific
coach who used to coach theopponent they're about to face.
No, there's insight andinformation on that player that

(01:22:51):
they can get.
One thing that, yeah, they'lljust know you know, if you're
winning slams, the differencebetween getting to the
quarterfinals or the round of 16or the semifinals at one of the
grand slams.
We're talking another $500,000.
We're to get to the final $1billion.

(01:23:12):
Isn't that worth spending acouple hundred grand on a coach
that can give you insights intoa player's influence against, of
course, and if they could tellyou there's this one thing this
player hates above all else.
So, yeah, it's, we all rely onour strengths and they get us as

(01:23:34):
far as they get us, buteventually we hit a ceiling.
A lot of players know, Tiger, atthe peak of his game, rebuilt
and redeveloped his whole swingbecause he knew it wouldn't take
him as far as he needed andwanted to go, and the same is
true for a lot of tennis playersas well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Yeah absolutely Interesting yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
So do tennis players change their mechanics like
golfers do?
Yeah, really.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Yeah, never thought of that, even the top players.

Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
Yeah, there was a period of time where Fed did
this thing that he favor, whichbasically he started returning
serve and just charging into net, which we used to call in the
old days chip and charge.
But it was like wait what itseemed?
It was like the opposite ofeverything we've seen Fed or do,

(01:24:25):
but he felt that it wasimportant to try to do something
different to turn a corner onhis game.
So, yeah, everyone that wantsto go to the next level is
trying to find, you know, andnow, with our stats and the
kinds of mechanics we have foranalyzing revolutions of spin on

(01:24:47):
the ball and stroke speed Imean there are incredible
cameras and computers thatanalyze your strokes that can
show you where your mechanicscan improve.
That's not even talking aboutstrategy in the game, that's
just talking about your physicalmechanics.
And we could see Fed moves wellside to side, but he's terrible

(01:25:07):
coming into net.
Or he hates bending for lowballs he doesn't get down so
well for those or he hates slowshots.
There's nothing harder to hitthan a slow ball.
Everybody loves speed.
Nobody wants to be bored to bein the ball.
So I'll never forget so.

(01:25:28):
Madison Brangle beat Serena onetime You've probably never heard
of, but you've heard of Serenaand the little cutaway shots of
Brangle.
This is when they first allowedcoaching on the court and she
was whispering to her coach.
She was laughing.
She was like Serena can'thandle how badly I suck.
Serena's used to people justcrushing the ball as hard as

(01:25:53):
they can and Madison just slowballed her to death and just
screwed her up her timing.
So every player has theirAchilles heel.
The whole key is can you findit Like don't just do what you
do, well, do what works and lookat what unnerves and unhinges

(01:26:18):
your opponent.
And once you find it BradGilbert is the best.
He has a great book calledWinning Ugly and once you find
what that nerve is, it's justlike a key turns in a little bit
to just see that person fallapart.
But yeah, that's where themental game not on yourself but
in analyzing your opponent comesin.

(01:26:38):
So a lot of people tell theiropponents before the match and
go watch them play a previousopponent and do some analysis.
Oh, this guy hates high balls,this guy hates slides.
Girls love power.
Me sound counter to girls lovepower, don't like slides.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
I got some rapid fire questions if we want to just go
through.
I know you're going close to anhour now, so I don't want to
take too much of your time.
Neil Sure, but just curiouswho's the who's the best tennis
player that you've faced on thecourt?
Who would you?

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
say, best tennis player that I've faced.
Let me see.
Well, there's um.
Evo Karlovich kicked my ass.
He was top 10 in the world.
I was not a top 10 in thecountry, but I returned one of

(01:27:39):
his servers legitimately and wonthe point and I will show you
that clip and I'll play thatclip over and over for the rest
of my life.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Oh, you have to, you have to.

Speaker 5 (01:27:52):
Because I was late in you.
It was the number one seat ofWimbledon.
I think it was right around theyear 2000 and Evo served and
volleyed and kicked his butt sothat, uh, yeah.
So Evo was amazing junior orwho's the top.
He was a pretty high rankeddoubles ATP player.
I play with him sometimes downhere and he's the best doubles

(01:28:12):
player I've ever seen.
And um, uh, I got my ass kickedby Steppen Koss law recently.
Koss got to the second roundthe Australian open last year
where he lost to Baratini.
I think those are the three,the three strongest players that
I've personally faced.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
Okay, Some big names.
Who's the best player in tennisright now that no one knows
about?
That's not talked about.

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
I talked about in the men's game.
We got him, we got him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Joke of it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
Hi, but I'm going while people are starting to
talk about him.
I mean, Blake Elton would be anew guy Really interesting yeah.
I don't know if I could, if Icould tell you the next up and
coming guy who's going to breakout, uh, that nobody's heard of,
if I've seen him and heard ofthem, they've been seen and

(01:29:11):
heard of and talked aboutalready.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
I'd have to, I'd have to.
So I, I, I went to Georgia Techso I had heard of Christian
Eubanks before the open andcause he was just a freak when
he was there, and so when hefinally broke through, I felt
like I knew something, becausethis guy, like he, was
everywhere after his performancethere at the open.

(01:29:34):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
All right, couple other questions.
You were rapid fire real quick.
Yeah, we're going rapid fire.
Why aren't tennis bands allowedto be rowdy?
Why can't we have like a venue?
Yeah, like getting loud andstuff, like it's every time you
watch a tennis match you knowyou can't talk, it's a, it's
silence.
It's very serious, it's easy,it gets possible where we could

(01:29:58):
have a tournament where we letthe fans go crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
Well, that's world team tennis.
Billy Jean King started theleague about a year ago, where
tennis is branched into um ateam sports like baseball or
football, and I was the live oncourt announcer for a few years
and the whole purpose of worldteam tennis was a more engaging
that got the fans like rowdy andwild and I would say in between

(01:30:25):
points they still go ballistic,you know, especially if you
have open during points.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Quite Right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
I got one.
What's the hardest?
Uh, what's the hardest surfaceto play on?

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:30:43):
For me it's Clay, because I like short points.
I like grass and hard courts.
I want to be done with thepoint within 10 shots.
Other people prefer.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Okay, you fell right into my trap.
You fell right into my trap.
Can you explain to me whyRuffin the Doll is the goat?

Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
Oh, it's going on, clay.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Yeah, the hardest surface.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
The hardest surface.

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
Well playing on Ultra Uh Spain.
Most of the courts are clay.
It's kind of a crushed brick.
I coach and that's if you growup on that, you're going to be
best at it, and his whole gamewas specifically designed for
clay more than any other surface.
So he's the goat on clay.
Why All?

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
right.
Speaking of the doll, my lastquestion who's the most famous
person in your cell phone?

Speaker 5 (01:31:43):
Oh boy, well famous Uh, jerry Seinfeld, george Soros
.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Diane Sawyer.
What Wow, really.

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
These are all people through tennis.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Seinfeld, big tennis guy.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
I worked with him and his family for a couple of
years and they love tennis.
And Diane I played with at myclub in New York.
Emma Watson, I don't have heron my cell phone but I have her
email if that counts.
We played together a bunch inNew York.
Who else I don't know.

(01:32:28):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
We need these contacts for our next interview.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Yeah, All right, I have one last question for you,
Neil.
What's that?
So I noticed that in theretirement community, tennis is
a very popular sport.
You're located in South orSoutheast Florida.
Well, you know Messi is gettingclose to retirement.
Have you reached out to him fora possible membership?

(01:32:58):
Florida Indoor Rack Club.

Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
Kind of high profile figures in the area that I am
hoping to invite.
He is actually one of a few ofthose people.
Jeff Bezos moved to the area.
Jimmy Butler is also a bigtennis player.
We want to reach out to him aswell.
Okay, but is he really?
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah, if you Google, look atthe US Open.
There's a great point with himplaying against Alcaraz, and he

(01:33:25):
can actually play.
He's good Really.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Yeah, he was like trained to be one of the ball
boys at the last US Open.
It was funny, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Really oh.

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
Yeah, so.
So we would love to have a few,a few folks like that at the
club.
And we actually are going toreach out to Messi because he is
close by the club and we'revery family friendly club and I
think he's got some kids and Isay let's get him out on the
court.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Sure, yeah, and that's why he moved to Miami.
And what I was reading is thefamily oriented atmosphere as
opposed to the Saudi ArabiaLeague.
Yeah, right, but yeah, neil,this has been great.
We'd love to have you on again,you know, as the time comes
closer to you know, february 25.

(01:34:13):
Is there anything regarding youknow how the memberships are
going to work?
Maybe the costs associated withit?
Is it unlimited?
Have we gotten that far in theprocess yet, or is that still
kind of TBD?

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
Well, our goal is to have a small, powerful
membership base of maybe between50 to 100 members, and we don't
want it to be too crowdedbecause we want to be able to
offer guaranteed on-demand courttime 24-7 to our members and if
you have too many members youcan't do that and at the same
time to keep a club thisexpensive in business.

(01:34:47):
You know it's going to take anaffluent clientele, but people
who are happy to spend the moneyso that they can have the kind
of access that they can.
So we do have membershipinquiries that are already
coming in and I would say thatwould be about the size of the
membership that we're lookingfor.
I don't want this place to bepacked morning till night, every

(01:35:07):
single court.
I want our members to be on anyrainy day or any hot day and
say we're coming over and theyget guaranteed on-demand court
time.
That's a perk I've never heardof at any club ever as long as
I've been.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
Yeah that's a premium .

Speaker 5 (01:35:23):
That's a premium.
Yeah, Out on the phone rightaway.
Everything's sold out, or themost popular time, Saturday and
Sunday mornings or weekdaysafter work, they're just sold
out.
But for our members they getguaranteed contract court time
so they have standing court timeavailable to them, but they can
also pick up the phone and comein any time.

(01:35:43):
So I think that's my answerabout the membership
availability with us.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
And you said early 2025.
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (01:35:56):
Yeah, that's right.
Awesome, yeah, we're hoping forthat.
Or the Miami Open, which is inMarch.
Okay, and players to come byand hit with our members, which
is going to be really thrillingfor a lot of them to get to play
with some of their favoriteplayers on the tour.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Yeah, that's got to be a little surreal.
I'd imagine for some of themThat'd be great.

Speaker 5 (01:36:22):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
It's really cool.
Yeah, well, guys, any lastparting thoughts, for we let
Neil go get on our day.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Yeah, last thing, Neil, how did you find us?
It's our question we're dyingto know.

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
Yeah, yeah.
How was my PR team?
They were good.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
They found you guys for me, they found the Diamond
and the Rough yeah, they'regreat, the Diamond, and the
Rough.
You got a good team yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Yeah, yeah, michael's great.
I don't know if you knowMichael by first name, but he's
been awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:36:56):
That's great.
I'm glad this worked out.
You guys are fun.
I'd love to be on again anytime.
This is really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Yeah, maybe like the next tennis tournament or
something going on tennis wise.
Yeah, keep in touch as we worktowards the grand opening.
I think that'd be a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
That'd be amazing.
Thank you, guys, so much forhaving me today, see you, Neil.
Thank you for joining Goodnight Nice to meet you.
Thank you, okay, bye, bye.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
All right, that was Neil.
Thanks, neil.
Appreciate Neil for joining.
That was fun.
How's everyone doing?
Thanks, neil.
I'm good to kind of wrap it upthere, unless you want to try to
get Harry on.
I don't want to ask him.
I'll just throw the link in thechat and see what happens, if
you want to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
No, just send it to him.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Don't throw it in the chat, Dude.
I'm not sending it to him.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
I'm not invoking him.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
You want to text him.
Of course you text him.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Yeah, you don't want him on here.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
I would like to talk to Harry about this for seven
minutes, but that's not going tohappen.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
No, chris, what you should do is invite Harry and
then all of us, one by one, dropoff.
It's just him.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
Last one's Victor.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Last one has to be Victor.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Oh, you have him join , have him join.
You can be like oh, harry,you're the fifth one to join,
it's just us four, sorry, oh,that'd be funny.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
What if we invite Harry on and treat it as if
Florida State made it?

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
No, he won't.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
But just like, don't break though and see what
happens.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Oh, if you, if you act like there was just breaking
news that Florida State hasbeen granted.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
Breaking news.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
Yeah, they have substitute Alabama, Florida
State the playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
Dr Fauci caught for doping.
He's unvaccinated.
Yeah, Lama got COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Oh, that'd be hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Question.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Harry, do you think COVID, you wish COVID came back.
So that's a family could getthis well.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
There's, there's our thumbnail right there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Do you, do you wish for another pandemic?
So the playoff gets canceled.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
FSU fans desperately miss COVID Well, any anything
else going on in the world.
You know, the past month or sosince we've been anybody
watching any good shows.
I just watched the new squidgame.
If you guys seen that, it'sawesome.
I didn't even know there wasone.
Yeah, it's like a reality showthis time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Oh, isn't that the one where they got sued for it?

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Yeah, but it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Is it worth it?
I started it, Emily Hayes.
I didn't keep watching it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
No.
So how you have to watch it isthey do like one minute bios on
a bunch of people and they do.
It's like ESPN draft day wherethey try to make the most
relatable sob story to make youfeel bad for them to hope they
do well in the competition.
And there's 456 people andthey're going to go down to
three, so everyone you want towin is out.
So I just kept skipping that.

(01:40:18):
And there's so much crying,there's so much.
They made it so dramatic.
But just skip through that.
Just watch the games, becauseit's the games are intense.
They kind of follow the regularsquid game but they changed it
up and there's a lot ofpsychological just mental
warfare in between the games.
It's intense but it's a funwatch.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
You recommend Hell yeah, grand Theft Auto is going
to be sick, that's going to be,so sick.
Awesome trailer.
Did you guys see the trailer?
Most watch YouTube video rightnow?
Yeah, that's not music.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
I think it's hot, it's trending.
Looks lifelike, victor.
You seen it?

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
No, yeah, andrew, do you know anything about what
we're talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
No idea.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Do you know what Grand Theft Auto is?

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
Yeah, yeah, I played.
The last one was five, right.
That came out a long time agothough.
Yeah, ten years.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
Yeah, I think it was the next one coming out.
Grasses are insane.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
What's it going to be on?
What's the game console?

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
It's going to be on PS5 and Xbox Next Gen, so Series
X and Series S.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Okay, so I got to get the Xbox Next Gen.
You have a year and a half toget it Is that what the college
football playoff game is goingto be on.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
Oh yeah, I can't wait for that game.
It's going to be Elite nextyear.
Yeah, like what Collegefootball?

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
It's going to be on what Everything?
It's going to be on everything,yep.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
We should have got Brandon on about the renderings.
Damn, that'd be sick.
Also, harry's given up onfantasy football.
What a great foot forward forthe new league.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
So I guess he's not going to be welcome back next
year.
He didn't even set his lineupthis week.
He had like three players out.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
Yeah, he's not even trying.
Yeah, he's out.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
Big football, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Cory, you better step it up, man.
You don't want to be the oddman out on the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
I won the pot last week.
You see me go.
I had a good week.
This week too have we won morethis year.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Oh Vic.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
Vic, I don't know if I have.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Yeah, you have Chris.
Maybe once Alex keeps weighingthe pot.
Alex has won it a few times.
So is your dad.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
Yeah, alex has won it three times.
Three times, I think.
Yeah, Alex has won it threetimes.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
My dad's won it three times, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
Oh guys, last night I lost.
Hold on, Let me find it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Oh, that was insane, that Jamar Chase almost brought
you back.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
I lost 183.9 to 183.8 .
Damn so that last out of boundsreview that Jamar Chase had.
If he just needed an extra yard.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Oh no, he also had a couple of drops too.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
Yeah, I would have done it.
He also had a 76-yard touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
Yeah, it's hard to hate on him.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
I will, but it's hard .

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Chris, did you see the guy that won a $28,000 on a
single game parlay?
I saw it on Instagram $50 bet$28,000.
It was like the same formatthat we usually go with to
passing yards with receivingreceptions.
Who would have thought lastnight was the game yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
You got to get back on that this weekend.
Put some winners together.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
Yeah, let's do the Dolphins play.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
I don't know Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Maybe Dolphins play the Titans on Monday night.
There's two Monday nightfootball games.
That's weird.
What about the play andtournament.
The NBA play and tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
Yeah, hoops is more, so my sport.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
I like the box the walkies.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
Yeah the box.
We're in the play-in yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Yeah, who wins the NFC South?

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
I thought it was going to be the Saints.
Honestly, if the Saints wouldjust play Taysum Hill, they'd
win the NFC South.
Disrespect the Dara.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Carr.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
He's terrible dude.
I don't understand.
Yeah, is he like?

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
hurt, hurt.
Yeah, he's done, done.
Yeah, saints are trash.
I just hope they keep it in thesatellite because he sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Oh, dude, he's.
What's he like?
20 and 40 as a coach?
Is it that good Like?
No, he's that bad, he's like.
I'm leaving the record.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
No.
I didn't know if it was thatgood.
Like he's 15 and 35 orsomething, I can't believe he's
won a third of his games.
He's 20 and 44.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
20 and 44.
Yeah, 20 and 40.
20 and 44 is even worse.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
Andrew, how's the pool?

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
Pool's closed man, 30 degrees here.
It's been closed for a month.

Speaker 4 (01:45:41):
Yeah, speaking of pools.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
What happened?

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
to yours.
I had a lizard crawl into myfilter so I left a little gaping
hole where, so when the machinewas running, the water kept
pumping out of this hole, so Ilost like six inches of my pool.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
A lizard.

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
The only reason why I stopped pumping or losing is
because the water got below thetrap.
The trapper.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
I don't know what that means, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
So the square hole on the side where it goes filter
out, so I still have the vacuum.
So it stopped like drainingpool.
So now I'm about half a footshort and right now I don't want

(01:46:47):
to refill it back up becauseit's kind of a lot, you guys
just got a bunch of rain overthe weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
It goes fast.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
I barely got anything .

Speaker 4 (01:46:59):
Yeah, so I'm kind of decommissioning myself, so I'm
turning it off just for maybe aninch or two every other weekend
.
Should I get back up Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Stupid lizard Andrews are cold up there, or I guess
better question how cold is itup there?

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Right now it's 37.
37.
That sucks.
Yeah, highs in the 40s, lows inthe 30s now.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
It's kind of cool here for the next like 24 hours
64, where I am 64.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Yeah, last Tuesday went to the Kentucky Miami game
Back when I was feeling prettygood about the Kentucky
basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
So my future is on them.
Is not going to do good, notgoing to hit dude Parallel.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
we can't even beat UNC Wilmington at home.
Tough look.

Speaker 3 (01:48:03):
Sneaky good team though.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
Well, all just going to get better, right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
Prisky team, you mean .

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Yeah, prisky.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
It's only.
December yeah, Any chance CoachK is losing on purpose.
Just so the heads don't get toobig Ooh, we're the forces away.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
Long game, long game.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Yeah, coach Cal, just like Coach K.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
Yeah, coach, cal, I just.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
It's like what's Coach K doing now?

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
Wrestling is the world's probably Doing the same
amount as Coach Cal is to theKentucky Wildcats.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
Maybe not financially .

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Yeah, I thought we were.
I thought we were a legit titleteam when we played Miami.
I couldn't believe, like thisteam, the style they were
playing up and down the courtshooting, taking 33s a game.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
It's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
I thought Florida was going to be good, and then we
just lost to Wake Forest.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Dude, how did that happen?
You all were up by like 15 inthat game.
I don't know.
I've watched you guys play acouple your game against Pitt
because I had actually bet onPitt that game.
I couldn't believe how good youguys looked.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
Yeah, we do look good .
We have a lot of options, itfeels like.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
but yeah, dude, that guy I don't know who, I can't
remember his name the pointguard that he hit like six
threes in that game.
Clayton yeah, clayton, he'sgood.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Yeah, he's the.
He came from Iona with Fatina.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
He's good I'm in the Seton Hall guy Tyrese Samuel.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Yeah, yeah, I can't figure it.
In college basketball it'sgoing to be a weird year because
you got the Biggs again withBacon, edie and Dickinson yeah,
you know, it's still got allthese really old players, so it
could be a weird tournament likelast year, with just a bunch of
experienced teams prevailing or, you know, you actually have

(01:50:02):
some good freshmen.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
I think that Texas might be able to make some noise
.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
What's they get, d'soubek, I don't know or.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
D'Soubek whatever his name is.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
Yeah, I thought they were good and then I bet, like I
couldn't believe, louisvilletook them to the buzzword.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
Oh yeah, Wasn't that like the first game, though, or
one of the first games?

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
How's Bama this year?
They?

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
suck.
They lost to Clemson at home.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
They're about to play a.
They play a Biggs team.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
They play the hardest schedule in college basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
They're playing some team from the Big East like
Providence or something.
Maybe they're playing UConn.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
No, UConn's playing UNC tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Yeah, that's tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
I think they play Providence or something.
Providence is good.

Speaker 1 (01:50:52):
UNC, my double digits .

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
No, they don't play.
Yeah, it's just.
I don't know, it's anunpredictable season.
I mean, kansas is only by sevenon Kansas City right now.
Weird, the hardest sport to beton.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
Oh, never mind, Providence just got housed by
Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Yeah, yeah, I had Oklahoma in that game.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Oklahoma's good apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Yeah, yeah, they're pretty good.
They got.
What's his name?
The coach from below theChicago?
What's his name?

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
Oh yeah, I don't know it, but.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
Damn Saviour lost to Delaware.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
Yeah, yeah, they've lost like four games.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
They were behind us.
A thousand money line, yeah,peace.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
Villanova literally just won.
What was that?
The Bahamas.
They won the Bahamas and thenthey got beat by Drexel.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Yeah, they lost to Drexel, they lost to Penn.
I mean they've lost to all theother Philly teams.
It's weird.
Alabama plays Creighton, that'sthe only thing.
That's Creighton, creighton.
Alabama plays Purdue onSaturday.
Then they play Creighton, thenthey play Arizona.
That's their next three gamesCorey, purdue, creighton,

(01:52:14):
arizona.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
Yikes.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
Arizona plays Wisconsin, purdue, alabama and
FAU.
Back to back to back to back.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Dang yeah, purdue's got a schedule too.
We're chank.
I saw that Purdue Northwesterngame going a mile away.
They always losing on theWestern.
I don't know where it is.
Fau lost tonight.
Illinois beat him, illinois isnot.
They're pretty good too.
Yeah, I don't know.
Kentucky has the pieces.

(01:52:45):
We're going to need AaronBradshaw to actually turn into a
good player.
He just came back.
We need, we need to want Wagnerto come back.
He's hurt right now.
He's honestly the reason,probably one of the biggest
reasons why we lost, because wedidn't have anybody that could
take the ball and basket andwe're just going to have to

(01:53:06):
shoot it.
Really well, our defense sucks.
So if you want to guaranteethat, just bet the over on the
Kentucky game.
I think it's hitting like allbut two of our games.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
So keys to success this season is you got to shoot
the ball, Got to shoot the wegot to take 33s.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
You got to play fast.
Yeah, it's all the stuff thatcounts in life.
That's why all you like to playfast, but taking that maybe
three is like and he likes toplay half court sets a lot back
down the big guys.
That was that's what we got introuble with against it, you and
CS.
But we couldn't hit fromoutside and so we tried to back
down our bigs and we don't haveOscar, we don't have a guy like

(01:53:44):
that.
It just wasn't working and wecouldn't guard them.
They were, they were makingeverything.
So we buried ourselves in ahole, we got down 11 and we just
couldn't really fight back.
It was, it was tough.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
That feels like the, that feels like the literal
worst decision when you have abunch of good incoming guard
recruits.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
Yeah, but I don't know.
Yeah, it's weird Like he justkind of something with Cal has
changed and he's got thesetendencies now that he can't
shake, and it's weird, I don'tknow.
It's kind of like we we thoughtwe were playing a different

(01:54:27):
style and things wereprogressing and trending in the
right direction.
We had turned the page and thatgame kind of set us back, you
know.
But, like you said, it'sDecember.
We thought we'd have twonon-coffers losses.
Now we just got to go beatNorth Carolina next week.
So we'll see how that goes.
That's the one I'm worriedabout.
How do we match up with a guylike Baycott?

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
Yeah, I don't love you and see his guards that much
though.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
No, no, let's let's.
His name has been there forever.
He's hasn't really done it RJDavis.
Rj Davis.
Yeah, yeah, it's looking likeyou guys going to beat him
pretty easily.
Yeah, this NBA N-Seasontournament, we guys think about
it, we're, we're down to.
The three of the four spotshave been filled.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
Now I haven't watched a second of it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
I'm going to be honest.
You haven't watched a second.
The Indiana Pacers have comeout of nowhere and look
incredible.
They took down the Celtics lastnight.
I saw that Highlights up, yeah,and then you get the Pelicans
winning.
They're the two surprisingteams.
The Pacers are one of the worstteams in basketball.

(01:55:41):
All right, chris, are youcalling Harriet or what?

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
No, I thought we said no.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Oh, we're going to throw him in, we're going to hop
out.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
I'm not going to do that to him.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
Well, just.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
I just want to hear he's gone through enough.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
You guys really don't want to hear him, Like you
don't want to have you talked tohim on the phone or in person,
since that it's happening no no,I think Corey is like I don't
want to talk for more than sevenminutes and we're not going to
get him for under seven minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
Yeah, I'm about to get off, actually, I got to go.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
All right, all right.
I thought it'd be funny we cando it another night.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
I would love to hear Harry try to spin zone it any
way possible to cope.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
But not right now.
No, I just keep it short.
That way we can just put thiswith the interview.
Just get it out.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
That's good.
All right, I'm out.
All right, see you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
So did we want to end the show like we in the show I
don't know the other 31 episodesor?
Yeah, all right, go for it, ourboys, because it doesn't force.
I think we nailed it.
We'll have to get our FSUbrethren on soon enough.
I'm calm down.
First, yeah, the imitationshave been respectfully declined

(01:57:00):
and one has gone along thewayside and have not heard back.
So FSU is doing some soulsearching, trying to cope with
what happened.
I'm sure we'll hear eventually,but we will try to get them on
so they can have their platform,their pedestal, to tell the SEC
, tell college football whathappened and we'll go from there

(01:57:21):
.
Yeah, thanks for joining.
See you in episode 33.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
We'll send them their most important invite in the
past week.

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
Hey, it works.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
It in the invitation right.
I'll use that invitation.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
It's all you need.
He wants it.
You just got to get it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
That should be your Christmas.
Every Christmas car to aFlorida State fan.
This Christmas should be.
I am formally inviting you.

Speaker 3 (01:58:01):
Alex, hitting everybody with the thanks for
the invite is going to hit alittle different now.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
Oh no.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
Oh, no, thanks for the invite, and then that's what
FSU said.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
I can't wait for the first TFT.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Oh well, all right bros.

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
Go big blue.
Okay, go blue, go blue.

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