Episode 34: March Madness Deep Dive with Harry & Matt: Bracket Predictions, Emotional Sports Memories, and NCAA Changes

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
three, two, one hello and welcome sports bros.
Episode 34 it is march.
Basketball is here.
Basketball is here.
Brackets are here.
Matt is here.
Welcome to Sports Bros it'smadness time let's talk some

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ball.
What do we think about UConnStetson?
I'm picking UConn.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I think, the question do they cover 26.5?
That's the question.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I don't know, Troy I don't know what Troy I?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
don't know.
What do we think about Duke, myboy, jay Billis?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
He'll win their first game and they might get by
Wisconsin's second round andthey're done after that.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Wisconsin's hot.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
I think the only game I've really watched.
I watched Yale and Brown.
I watched like the last fiveminutes.
That game was awesome, it waselite, it was like a high school
stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, retractable bleachers.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
And the pep rally the night before.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I think Brown missed four out of the last five, three
of those.
They could have put that gameaway, but of course I picked
Brown to win that game, so ofcourse they choked it.
It's only when I put money onteams that they lose.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Harry, how bad's your streak right now.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Seven.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Ah, we gotta get past that Did you bet tonight's game
.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
No, I didn't bet tonight's game.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
You're doing a full reset.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Starting fresh, not touching the NIT.
Guys from NCAA parlays GotConnecticut to win their region.
I picked Kentucky to win theSouth, even though I think
Houston's going to win it, but Ilike Kentucky.
I think it was plus 850.
So I laid a little bit down.
I like those odds to cash in ifit happens.

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But I've got Connecticutwinning the East and winning the
whole thing.
I think a lot of people do aswell.
And then I did a big.
I think I did like a 16-gameparlay for the first round.
Then I'll just do someindividual games.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
What was the bet that would PFT do last year or the
year before?
It was like all ones and twos,oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
So whoever did the one and twos, was that to cover
or was that just to win?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I think he just did to win and it lost because of
what Purdue and uh.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
When was the?

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Kentucky, st Peter's Was that two years ago?

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I think you're muted, andrew, just let him talk on.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Alright, I got my AirPods on.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, we're running into other technical
difficulties, so it's Andrew'sfirst time in a while.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Is this the set you usually use for the pod?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, you're muted, bro.
We can't hear you if you're notmuted.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, I think he was saying Kentucky looks good,
kentucky's getting hot at theright time.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Hammer Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
I think we're just kind of talking right now.
This is Harry.
By the way, Harry, this is Mattwe worked together at back in
the day.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
What's up, Matt?

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Hey Harry, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, I'm good friends with Corey and
Christopher's dads.
I've known these guys Crap.
I've known Corey since he wasseven, I think.
Oh, wow, Something like that,right, Corey you were seven,
Victoria was eight.
I think I've known you guys along time.
Gotcha, yeah, we were justsaying beforehand, before we

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started recording, instead ofeverybody going down their whole
bracket.
Just kind of highlight who yourfinal four is and what upset
picks you're thinking of.
Who's?

Speaker 5 (04:06):
your final four.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
So I heard you guys talking about the ones and twos.
I actually have the ones andthrees.
I have well spoiler I haveUConn winning the whole thing.
Unfortunately, I think they'regoing to be the first team to
repeat since my Gators, and thenwe won't be able to say we're
the last team to do that.
I have Purdue reaching thefinal four.
I think they got a big chip ontheir shoulder from obviously
being the second team to everlose to a 16 seed.

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Last year, edie came back, youknow best player.
Well, him and Dalton Connect, Ithink, are the best players in
the country, but Edie, obviously, is just a massive human being,
whereas Dalton Connect is theyou know pizzazz, I guess you
would say.
And then I have Kentucky makingit.
I know, andrew, I know you're abig Kentucky fan.
No, but, but Kentucky didn'thave their full team, I think

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until March.
We played one game with ourfull drafts.
Yeah, exactly so.
So I think that you know, nowhaving it all together, I so I
think that now having it alltogether, I think that they can
do it.
They're in the south, I want tosay with Houston.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Right.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, so I have them coming out of that region.
And then for the last one, Iactually have Baylor.
I like Scott Drew a lot.
I remember watching the Gatorsplay them earlier this year in I
think it was the BarclaysCenter or early season or you
know, early season NIT, whereveryou want, whatever it's called,
and they were just lights outfrom three.

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They have this guy, ray J Davis, Like that's his.
Actually.
His name is Ray J, like all oneword.
He's just phenomenal, I like.
I like Scott Drew a lot.
I have a lot of faith in him.
So, yeah, that's my final four.
As far as upset picks areconcerned, I have McNeese over
Gonzaga.
That's probably a really commonone.

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Will Wade was, actually Ithought he was.
He wasn't a bad coach at LSU,he just NIL'd a bit too early
and he's got McNeese completelyturned around.
At his introductory pressconference he said McNeese lost
23 games last year, will win 23games this year.
They've won 30 games.
So I like that again.

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Yeah, gonzaga isn't the typical.
You know one through threeseats, I should say, because
they're not.
This isn't one of their bettergonzaga teams under mark few,
still dangerous, you know grammy, cake and ball.
And then, as far as other upsetpicks, I have that.
I have duquesne over.
I think it's Texas Tech.
Whoever that is, I don't havethe bracket in front of me.

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In fact, byu yeah, sorry BYU Igot Duquesne over BYU.
To be honest, I don't know muchabout either of those teams,
but I know Duquesne won thatAtlantic 10 tourney, atlantic 10
.
It's not a power six conference, but it's a decent conference.
I say, as far as I want to callit a mid-major conference, it's

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one of the better ones.
Give me a second.
I'm just going to pull up mybracket.
Bear with me.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
While you're doing that, Matt, did you have your
most heartbreaking sports momentready to go?

Speaker 4 (07:03):
I do.
Can I do one football, onebasketball?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Okay, going to start with football.
Going to take it back to thefirst year I ever followed, an
entire season of Gator football,which was 2001.
I was nine Before then.
I just did not have theattention span for sports in
general, just couldn't sit downin front of the TV and watch the
whole game.
I was just a little kid, Icouldn't really focus.
So 2001, I started following2001,.

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Unfortunately, was the year of9-11.
One of the repercussions ofthat obviously totally not a
concern at the time, but theyended up taking all the games
that were supposed to be playedthe weekend after 9-11, moved it
to the end of the season.
So we were supposed to playTennessee that weekend and we
had we're pretty healthy we hadErnest Graham, you know, was our
star running back at the time,but instead we played them at

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the end of the year.
We played them after the FSUgame.
So I went to that FSU game.
We beat them pretty badly, butErnest Graham got injured by
Darnell Dockett, which I'm notgoing to go into my theories on
that, but here's what it is.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
So then, Was that when he was accused of twisting
his leg in the pileup?

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Look innocent until proven guilty.
I'm not going to say he did,I'm just going to call it an
injury.
But I know there was a lot oftalk about that.
But I'm not going to go andaccuse Darnell Dockett of doing
that, like when I was younger Iused to think that, but I'm like
you know what.
There's no true evidence hemeant to do that.
I'm not going to, but at thetime, yes, I was pretty upset
and we played Tennessee inDecember, like that first week

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in December, which would havebeen the SEC Championship game.
Now we had a loss that year, Iforget to who, but if we win
that game, we win that Tennesseegame.
We I mean I forget who came outof the West that year, but if
someone could have beaten themin the SEC Championship, we
would have gone to the Natty andwe lost Tennessee 34-32.
We would have gone to the nattyand we lost tennessee 34 to 32.

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Never forget, sitting in mygrandpa's mobile home right here
in clearwater and just beinglike totally dejected, like this
was probably.
This was the first like truesports disappointment of my life
because this was the first yearI really thought I'd be able to
football.
As you know, you know parentswent there but I gave him a
whole life.
You know uf grabbed myself.
It was bad and I just was like,damn.

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Now, of course we wouldprobably.
If we went to the natty.
We probably would have lost tothat oh one canes team not gonna
sugarcoat that, but it'scollege football, who knows.
Again, we probably would havelost that and I would have had
to deal with canes fans at homebecause I'm from Miami but,
again, didn't know at the time.
Eight years old, sorry, nineyears old.
So actually, yeah, nine yearsold.

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So yeah, that was prettyheartbreaking, considering.
You know, I hadn't seen thenational championship time in my
life and thought we'd go toNatty.
But now on to the basketball one.
So I'm going to take it back tothe 2013-2014 Florida Gator
team and I actually think thatwas the best team we've ever had

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, better than either of theback-to-back teams.
We just got unlucky.
So we went to the Final Four.
My dad, my brother and I wentout to Dallas.
We had lost two games that yearin total, one to Wisconsin, one
to UConn earlier in the season.
Of course, wisconsin and UConnare both in the final four.

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But my dad, my brother and I,we thought we were going out
there strictly business.
We thought, okay, that's notgoing to happen again.
You know, it was early seasonlosses, whatever.
Whatever.
We thought we were going to winnational championship.
We thought we were going to winthe national championship.
We thought we were just outthere, you know, to watch it and
we were the first game in thesemis.
And the way the I don't know ifany of you have ever been to a
Final Four, but the way it works, and I don't know if they still

(10:55):
do it they sell ticketsofficially through a broker
called Prime Sport and thesepeople are really legit and they
can naked, so you can't scalp.
In order to get in to JerryWorld, my dad had to show the
credit card that he used to buythe tickets, and they print out
these little movie theatertickets.
But anyway, the cheapest way toget tickets to the Final Four

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and the National Championshipsis to buy them all at once,
because they want you to do thatinstead of waiting to see if
your team gets there.
So we're the first semi and welose to UConn again.
Shabazz Napier just lives tokill Gator hearts.

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I don't even think we stayedaround for the
Kentucky-Wisconsin game.
We were just so pissed off.
And here's the crazy part.
So this is the.
This is our Jerry world.
But back then, 2014, becausethere was an NCAA event, there
was no alcohol being sold.
So we're like, wait, whatYou're kidding?
Like, this is not a collegecampus, it's an NFL stadium and

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you're not selling out.
So now we want to drown oursorrows and can't do that
because they don't sell outthere.
So we leave and we go to somemexican restaurant, have dinner
and drink there.
But now we have another problem.
Well, I don't call it a problem, but we have something to
decide.
So we have the tickets to thenatty on monday.
Can't sell them because, like Isaid, you show the credit card
you used to buy them when youget up to the gate.

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So we, we ended up, uh, gate.
So we, we ended up, uh, justgoing to that.
You know, we got some, uh, somemini bottles and, uh, we
watched.
We watched Kentucky, uconn, uh.
So you know, definitely notwhat we thought, but pretty
heartbreaking to go out there to.
You know, a tournament which wewere the number one overall
seed and also, I don't know ifyou remember, but that year we

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were just that school year.
We just got awful in football.
I mean, even if we didn't havetons of injuries, I think we
would have gone like 6-6.
But that was the year we lostto Georgia Southern and you know
, just a bad year once thoseinjuries started.
Anyway, yeah, so that was.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I think that was a.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
So this was after they had won the back-to-back
national championships, orbefore Back back-to-back
national championships or before, back after after.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
yeah, back-to-back happened when I was in eighth
grade, ninth grade.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Those were awesome.
Was it 0-4-0-5?
0-5-0-6?

Speaker 4 (13:12):
It was 0-5-0-6 and then 0-6-0-7.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I forgot that the Gators were in the final four.
I thought those were the onlytwo final four that they were in
.
What did they want?

Speaker 4 (13:20):
No, no, we've been in one in 2000.
We lost to Michigan State inthe 90 and then won in 94.
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
That's right Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Who was on that 2013 team?
Was that Scotty Wilbican or wasthat before him?
Yeah, scotty.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Wilbican, casey, prather, michael Frazier, will
you Get Patrick Young?
That was a starting five,patrick.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Young.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Oh, Patrick, Young yeah yeah, and announcer on sec
network, so it's cool, you seeyou see, he got a spinal cord
injury.
I saw that he's in a wheelchair.
It's terrible.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, really yeah, like last year or earlier this
year or something like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yeah, so anyway, those are my.
Those are my two mostheartbreaking sport.
Oddly enough now that collegefootball is just like a
mercenary sport.
Until they fix NIL and they fixthe Easy Portal, I just don't.
I mean, there's still somegames I obviously really want to
win, like the games againstrivals like FSU and UM, georgia,

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what have you.
But as far as the everySaturday standing up pacing in
front of my TV, I don't do thatanymore.
I mean, why should I care thatmuch when some of the players
don't even care that muchanymore?
So definitely less stressfuland, you know, doesn't hit as
hard as an adult compared towhen you're a kid.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I don't know if you guys feel the same way, but when
I was younger, you know, theother problem with college
basketball Is the one and doneMakes it harder to follow teams,
at least in college football.
They've got to stay there twoyears.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, but the one and done.
That's one thing I noticed thisyear.
If you look at the players whomade the AP All-American first
team, a lot of them are not oneand done.
I don't know if any of them are.
Dog Connects, a grad transfer.
He's been there for a while.
Tristan Newton on UConn, I'mpretty sure he's a grad transfer
.
I want to say that guy, jamalSheed on Houston, he's been

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there, he's not a freshman.
I don't believe.
So I'm sorry.
And even if you look at teamslike Duke Duke, you know, used
to be, you know, kings of theone and done or no, actually
that's more Kentucky, but Dukeused to have a lot of one and
dones, you know, like JasonTatum and what have you Dion um.
But if you look at their roster, like Jeremy Roach is a senior
that got, he's still.
That's a coach K guy.
So I'm starting to see thatbecause of the portal.

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In other words, I like what theportal has done in basketball a
lot more than what it's done infootball.
Because, yes, the transferportal and NIL exist in college
basketball, but players havebeen able to go play in the G
League or overseas for a yearbefore going to the NBA for a
while now.
So I don't think NIL hascollege basketball in as much of
a chokehold as it does collegefootball.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, that's a good point, Good point.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, there's the portal and like, for example,
like the Gators this year, like,I think, two if you exclude the
guys who don't really play likethe walk on the managers, if
you want to call them whatevertheir title is on the team
there's like two guys from lastyear's team there's Riley Kugel
and there's Will Richard, andthe reason I like that is
because this is Todd Golden'ssecond year.

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He flipped the roster, like lastyear there was a bunch of Mike
White guys and I don't know ifhe'd shoot them out or what.
But yeah, I don't expect us tohave that many transfers next
year.
So I don't think that thetransfer portal is as much of an
issue either either in collegebasketball.
So that's why I'm still, youknow, very much as passionate

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about college basketball as Iused to be, like growing up.
Like you know, it was Gatorfootball, gator basketball every
year, and when football didn'tgo well, we used to, we usually
had basketball.
Because Billy D was the manDuring the Mike White years, you
know, kind of hard to have alot of faith.
His only good year was withchristiosa, who was a billy
recruit, and then it was just,you know, mid-major mike every

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year after.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
So yeah, what what I, what I, what I miss about
college football you know, beingme, being a florida state guy,
and you know a lot of peoplethat I know are florida fans is
I missed.
I missed those two schoolsplaying each other at the end of
the year and they were bothranked in the top ten and it had
national championshipimplications.
You know I missed that.
You know, because it was soexciting and you had Miami in

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the mix too, you know.
So it was, you know, and Iremember that one year and you
were actually sentient for that.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
You watched that being a little older.
You know I didn't startwatching you know college
football till 2001, so I I'mjealous of that.
I would have loved to see youknow the bowden sparrier battles
.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Actually remember them yeah, I graduated in 88.
In my senior year.
In 88 florida miami playedflorida state in tallahassee.
That was a crazy game was like29 20 and I think in that game
it had like 52 players thatended up playing in the nfl,
that were that were in onestadium.
It was just incredible.
That was Michael Irvin andDeion Sanders.

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You know, deion got whoopedthat game.
I think I've mentioned thisbefore in a podcast but I think
Michael Irvin had like fourcatches for like 180 yards and
four touchdowns that game andthey were all just little slants
where he just freaking outraneverybody.
That was their plan because youcouldn't go deep against Deion.

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He can cover you, but you do aslant, you get a step on him,
you got a chance and that'sexactly what happened in that
game.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, their relationship is really cool.
They're like the best offriends.
Like Michael Irvin's beentweeting ever since he took the
job at Colorado.
Like I'm so proud of my friend.
It's cool, being huge rivalsand competitors, that they're
best of friends.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Getting back to the tournament, all of my upsets are
in the West, Sorry hold on.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Sorry to interrupt.
Did anybody just see thatending?

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Yeah, oh my gosh, they had interrupt.
Did anybody just see thatending?
Yeah, oh my gosh.
They had three chances to tiethe game.
Howard was down by 12.
Yeah, they went on a 14-2 runto come back within three In the
last three minutes of the game.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yeah, that was insane .
I'll be honest, I think puttingtwo sets of 16 seeds in the
first four is just cruel.
I mean, we've had two16-over-one upsets in history.
They're probably I mean, theyhave the biggest chance of
losing the first round of anyone.
Just let them have their momentin the sun of making the actual

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field of 64, and let them havethat experience the 64 and let
them have that experience.
Make the playing games.
All you know, power six teamsor whatever, or high mid-major
teams that are on the bubblelike 10 seeds, 11 seeds.
What do you guys think of that?

Speaker 2 (19:52):
take I agree because those would be better games.
You know, I agree.
I agree for sure In the West.
I've got St Mary's coming outof the West.
That's my dark horse.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Oh, okay, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I got New Mexico getting past Baylor in the
second round.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
And.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
I've got Novet, what do?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
you think about that, Matt?

Speaker 4 (20:16):
I think that's I don't like that.
I got New Mexico coming in thefirst round, though, so I do
like to that the thrifty 32, asmy friend calls it, and then
done, and I've got four right,yeah I do?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I've got nevada beating arizona second round,
because arizona has istraditionally a team that that
just fails miserably um in thesecond they lost the princeton
last year in the first yearright, that was a 15.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
That would be pretty bad.
They just gave their coach ahuge extension during the season
, so they were looking for adeep run and the Final Fours in
Phoenix.
We haven't had a winner on theWest Coast since they won it in
97.
That bracket is opened up.
I mean they couldn't ask for abetter draw being out there.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, where are their first-round games?

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Arizona, arizona's got Long Beach State, and then
they play the winner of.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Nevada, dayton.
Yeah, they're starting on SaltLake City.
Yeah, I mean, I look at NorthCarolina as the weakest one, for
sure, agreed.
I feel like them and Arizonaare pretty much equal.
It's just a matter of gettingthere.
I'm with you.
I think Baylor's the third bestteam in that bracket.

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To me, bama's a fraud.
They're kind of like Kentucky.
They're just all offense, nodefense.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
They're the committee darling.
I don't know why the committeeloves them so much.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah 91 points a game leads the country.
That's why they like offense.
Nba fans are the ones that likeAlabama.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yeah, Bama has anyone been the same team the last
couple weeks.
I don't think they make it toofar.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Anybody have a team other than UConn coming out of
the East in the Final Four?

Speaker 5 (22:10):
I got Auburn beating UConn.
I hope you're right.
Yeah, so Auburn in 2019 did thesame exact thing.
They won the SEC tournament asa four seed and then were the
four seed in the NCAA tournament, beat North Carolina, then,
with the four seed in the NCAAtournament, beat North Carolina,
kansas and Kentucky to make thefinal four.
So Bruce Pearl is kind ofrunning back.

(22:31):
Same formula get hot at the endof the year.
I think they have.
I mean, if you look at theirnet rankings their top 10 and
that they've been dangerous allseason.
They have a great defense.
They match up really wellagainst UConn.
It's just a matter of if theycould shoot the ball well and if
Katie Johnson can not turn itover so much, because he's kind

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of a wild guy.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, keep in mind too that game would be in Boston
too, so that's a UConn homegame, yeah no, Boston definitely
sets up well.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Trey Donaldson's been shooting lights out.
I mean, being a Gator fan, Iwatched him Watch us play him
twice and the first game weplayed him at home and you know
we Won by like 14.
But Again it was at the O'Domebut Played him again in
Nashville, lost, handlockedearly on.
But you know, even with him Istill think we lose that game.
They were just really locked inJani Broome Playing his A game.

(23:23):
So I got a lot of respect forBruce Pearl.
I remember him from theTennessee days when he'd just be
yelling at the refs, justsweating profusely.
I'm so glad that you know thestandard of dress for coaches is
now you don't have to wear asuit because some coaches would
just pit through their suitsLike Calipari would pit through
some suits, yeah, so I'm gladthat they have options.

(23:45):
I know some coaches still do.
Buzz Williams, for some reason,loves to wear a vest, but it's
basketball, you don't have to bewearing a suit.
If I was going to pick a teamto upset UConn, it would be
Auburn.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Yeah, I think that's a good matchup.
Who?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
was the guy that was famous.
He had a white, he was allsweaty Sean Miller.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Yeah, he was the coach of Arizona.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Sean Miller.
Yeah, the photo's awesome.
His white shirt is tan, yeah hewas just sweating Tan from the
sweat.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Billy Dee was smart.
Billy Dee would always startoff in the suit and then, like,
right as the game started, hewould take the jacket off.
So it would just be, you know,tie, shirt and slacks, and yeah,
that way I think he didn'tsweat as much.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I remember what was it?
A Vegas coach at UNLV,turkanian, the one who used to
bite the towel.
That was fun to watch.
He looked like he belonged tosome mental institute, you know,
anybody think Purdue's going torepeat history and be another
Virginia Lose to a 16 and thenwin the whole thing the next

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year.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Oh that.
No, I think I got them makingit to the national championship
and losing to UConn, so I thinkthey redeemed themselves to a
degree, but then just lose to abetter team.
What's funny about that region?

Speaker 5 (25:17):
is.
You got all the teams thatcan't get over the hump in that
region.
You got Purdue, you got Gonzaga, you got Creighton and
Tennessee A bunch of teams thatliterally cannot get it together
.
Someone's got to win thatregion.
Is Creighton legit?
Creighton is the best team onpaper.
If you look at them on paperthey're starting five.

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They're the two-time defenseplayer of the year in the Big
East.
In Kalkbrenner he's the seventhplayer that blocks shots.
They have great perimeterdefense, a good scorer in
Alexander.
They're an elite team and whenthey put it together they beat
UConn by 15.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
What about Baylor Shireman?
He's a forward.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Baylor Shireman's there.
He's a great scorer.
I mean they had it last year.
They were a tip in away frombeating San Diego State to go to
the Final Four.
They were right there.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Last year was an extremely wacky Final Four
relatively speaking Two fives,and then UConn is a four, which
obviously are a good team.
Then I'm trying to rememberGosh.
I don't know why I'm blanking.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
FAU's in the same spot.
They were last year, so don'twrite them out.
And it's the same roster.
I think they're going to giveUConn a game in the second round
.
They can get past Boo Booey andNorthwestern.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
I see them beating Northwestern but then losing to
UConn.
I kind of had a lot of beefwith FAU this year when they
were just ranked above us,whatever it might be ap, what
have you.
Because I just think, okay,they would treat them whenever
they would get like a win over agood team in a non-conference,
like arizona, like obviously Ithink that was that was their

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best win, net wise, the media itseemed like the media would
treat them like a mid-major team, like like oh, okay, well, they
, they, you know.
Or they would treat them like aPower 5 team, power 6 team.
But then when they lose to likeBryant or some crap school,
okay, that's not fair to say, Idon't want to call any, but when
they lose to a Quad 3 or Quad 4opponent, they go.

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They treat them like they're anAAC school.
So it's like all right, whichone is it?
Are you going to treat themlike they're one of the big boys
?
Are you going to treat themlike they're?

Speaker 1 (27:29):
you know a mid-major school, and it just seems like
they got away.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Like I, one of my, and chris, you went to usf,
right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, so, like one of my goodfriends also went to usf and he
called them going to theattorney for the season, and I,
I, you know, I think usf beatthem.
They beat them at least once, Ithink they might be twice and
yeah.
So it just seems like it's, youknow, the only thing that they
have over usf is the betternon-con.
I think they're two big non-conwins for arizona and then a&m

(27:54):
right yeah, yeah, I mean theybeat charleston, they played
illinois close.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
I mean they played a tough non-conference that's my
okay.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
So I actually have a question about that.
Since there's just so manygames in college basketball and
I know the net rank isrelatively new, do they take
into account losing close, or isit just Ws and Ls?
It doesn't matter if you won by20 or 30.
It's quad, whatever Ws and Ls.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
It does weight the strength of victory.
So if you blow out a quad fourteam versus winning close, that
matters style points yeah Iwonder.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
I've been wondering about that for a while.
I'm just like I thought maybethey didn't, because there's
just so many games to you knowto look at each.
I mean, I mean, net is a, it'san algorithm, right?

Speaker 5 (28:43):
yeah, yeah, yeah.
So basically, people don't likeit because it's a metric that
changes, so teams are constantlymoving in and out.
So if you played a team earlyin the season, they could have
been a quad one team, and thenKentucky beat Miami and they
were quad one, and then Miamifell apart and that became a
quad four.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
I like that.
I think especially, especiallysame thing with college football
wins and losses.
I mean, I'll say it's not weirdto say losses gain or lose
value, but they, they gain orlose.
You know strength.
So I, I do like that you, youcan't say, oh well, they were
great earlier in the season,they tanked off, okay, so maybe
they weren't that great, maybeit was just earlier in the
season.
Right, I actually like,actually like that part of it.
It can hurt and it can help.

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Like, for example, we got blownout by Ole Miss' second SEC
game and that was a quad oneloss and then Ole Miss fell off
at the end of the year in itsquad two.
It's like oh well that's notgood for us, but it is what it
is.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah, I wonder.
So talk about Florida.
What's your guys' vibe?
You guys went on a pretty goodrun there in the SEC tournament.
Obviously it didn't work outthe way you wanted it.
I think the injury kind ofderailed that game on Sunday.
I think that kind of changedthings.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Here's my take on that.
Yeah, the injury sucked.
It was gruesome.
I hope Megan Handlocktonrecovers well.
Luckily they were in Nashvilleso they had the vandy hospital
close and from what they weresaying on tv it's a good one.
He had surgery right there onsunday.
But you know it was emotionalimpact on the team.
You had some guys over therecrying on the bench, but auburn

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was all class the whole.
You know all the fans were veryclassy about it.
I I still don't think we wouldhave won that game.
You know, auburn on they playedthree games in three days.
That was our fourth game infour.
So they had that.
You know, props to them forgetting that double bye.
They played well enough in theregular season to do it.
You know, I think they wantedrevenge for when we beat them in

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the O-Dome and they were lockedin.
So I'm not going to sit hereand say, oh well, if Micah
didn't go down we would have won.
No, I still think we would havelost.
I just think it would have beencloser.
You know we pulled to withinone when it was like 45-44.
And then after that they gotback up like eight or nine and
we just didn't have anythingleft in the tank.
I listened to a podcast calledthe Florida Basketball Hour.
It's one guy from Saturday downsouth and then another guy who

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I think coaches's high schooland they were just saying, yeah,
when you see Walter Clayton andZion pulling front-rimming
three balls, you know it's over,they're just tired.
But as far as our tourneychances, I think we got screwed
in this draw.
I think we should have been asixth seed.
I don't think Clemson deservesto be a sixth seed over us.
I'm not going to go into hugedetail on that, but just you

(31:23):
know, not only do are we a sevenc, we get to play in game,
which means until that game isplayed tomorrow night we have to
scout two teams and that sucksand yeah.
So even with all that, I thinkI think we win the first round.
I think you know the whole therallying behind micah, will you
know, galvan team Micah's goingto be there.

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He's driving from Nashvillewith his parents who are driving
him.
So he'll be there for emotionalor motivational support.
But unless Western Kentuckyupsets Marquette and this is
even without Tyler Kolek and Iforget the other good players'

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names Torchman and I His lastname is Torchman and I, because
they're both doubtful players.
I still don't think we get pastthat.
My own personal goal for ToddGolden to see whether I
supported him for a third yearor not was just make the tourney
.
Give me some hope and fun inMarch.
Just get there.
So I can't move the goalpostson top now, but I think we have

(32:27):
everything that we need to winthe first round game, even
without Micah.
So we do that.
I'll be content for this year.
So that's where I see usWinning the first round game and
if we play Marquette, that'sthe end of it.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
Yeah what about you, corey?
Yeah, I think it sucks that ifwe win, we get.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
That's the end of it.
Yeah, what about you, corey?
Yeah, I think it sucks that ifwe win, we get to play a two
seed, especially Marquette.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
They're a weak two seed, though I mean of the two
seeds you'd want to play themright.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
No, but if Kolik plays, Kolik is like he's really
good at creating opportunitiesfor the rest of his team to
score.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Kolek would ruin us if he's healthy.
I think, yeah, I'm not as Iwould.
I don't know, it's close.
I'm probably more scared ofMarquette than Arizona.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Really.
Yeah, I haven't watched a lotof Arizona this year, to be
honest.
I watched a little bit of themin the FAU game and that's
really it.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Yeah, I mean they're kind of limping in too.
They lost two of their lastthree.
Usc got them last game of theseason.
And then Oregon, oregon, man,it's always dangerous in March.
Man Don't bet against DannyAltman.
That guy's got a great record.
He's like Him and Izzo.
Yeah, a great record, him andIzzo.
For March he's 15-6 against thespread in the tournament.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
What do you guys think about Michigan State going
on a little run, just givenIzzo's propensity for March?

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Yeah, I do like Mississippi State seeing how
they played against Tennessee.
They ran them off the court.
Do you like them State seeinghow they played against
Tennessee?
I mean they freaking ran themoff the court.
Do you like them over Sparty?
If they could duplicate thatMississippi State, though, is
that kind of I mean, theyhaven't been consistent all year
, so I don't know.
I kind of would lean Izzo justin that spot, and then, if

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you're North Carolina, that'sthe last team you want to see.
Is Michigan state?
Is, oh, the second round?
I would be worried about that.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
And this is I think this was one of the problems for
not only that 13 to 14 Floridateam, but also I know you're a
Kentucky fan that thatundefeated Kentucky team, man,
that's still, to this day, oneof the best teams I've ever
watched.
The three best teams I thinkI've ever watched are that well,
actually, okay, I put theanthony davis kentucky team
above the 14 to 50 kentucky team.

(34:53):
They lost like two games, but Istill I still think like in a
seven game series they wouldbeat that 14 to 50 kentucky team
, then that team after them andthen that uh, 13 to 14 gators
team.
You know I'm not biased at butyeah, I think that if you're on
a big winning streak, right, orif you've never lost a game in
the season like that oneKentucky team, and now you

(35:15):
haven't had a loss in a while orall season, so it starts to
make you a little nervous.
So I think losing in yourconference championship game,
conference tournamentchampionship, isn't necessarily
the worst thing.
I think the year Virginia wonit, all that happened to them
they lost in the semis.
Yeah, so you kind of get thatout of the way.
Obviously, I'm never saying youshould lose, but if you do and

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you lose in that conferencetourney and you got a good seat
in March, it's not necessarilythe worst thing.
You kind of get anotheropportunity to see what you
messed up on and you get to dothat right before the most
important tournament.
I actually think I have NorthCarolina making it to the Sweet
16, or maybe the Elite Eight.

(35:59):
I have to check.
Obviously, I'm in the FinalFour because they weren't one of
my picks, but yeah, I thinkthey have all the talent.
I think Baycott's going to giveit all he's got Not that he
didn't before, but it's his lastyear.
I know he's pulled some recordsfor them by now.
I forget which ones.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
Hubert Davis only lost one game in the tournament
because they went all the way tothe championship his first year
.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
I had them in the Final Four that year.
Oh, of the championship, hisfirst year, I had them in the
final four that year I had, oh,really, wow, I'm trying.
Yeah, I had, I know I had themmeeting whoever the one c was,
I'm almost positive I had themin the final four, maybe the
elite eight, I'm not totallysure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I was.
I was kind of a ananticlimactic ending for coach k
thought I thought you know kindof wanted to see him win it all

(36:45):
last year, dude do you want tosee him win it?

Speaker 5 (36:49):
all you like, coach K .

Speaker 4 (36:51):
I like Coach K.
I'm not a Duke fan oh gosh, Ilean for the heels but I'm a big
Coach K fan.
You know.
I like how he coached our boysin the Olympics.
I like him as a person.
He's a girl dad, just like me.
Yeah, he's Catholic.
I'm a K fan.

(37:11):
I have a question for you guys.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
ACC is just not the same without him.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
So my question is I haven't watched a lot of college
basketball, but I'm looking ata matchup here that I don't
think we've mentioned yet.
I'm curious of your guys'thoughts.
Nebraska, texas A&M what are wethinking there?
Eight versus nine?

Speaker 5 (37:34):
So a fun fact about that is Nebraska is the only
Power Five team to never win anNCAA tournament game.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Really yeah.
And then they get Houston.
Right we're long-winded.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
I have A&M winning that just because they were hot
at the end of the season.
I mean they blew an 18-pointlead to us, but I think we were
also just angry that we lost tothem by one in College Station
I've actually watched a few oftheir games this year.
They did a starting lineupchange and they moved this guy,
manny Obaseki, into the startinglineup now and he's a pretty

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good scorer and of coursethey're too big.
Their guard play is pretty good.
Wade Taylor is the leader ofthat team.
He can get hot.
Same thing with Boots.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
That's Michael Jordan against us.
It's unbelievable.
I want to pick Texas A&M justbecause of what they did to us,
but they only play well againstus.
They turned around and didn'tdo anything against the Gators,
and that's what's so frustratingabout them is those guards are
on a different level, Granted wewere giving wide-open drives to

(38:42):
the basket, but they werehitting everything.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
They're just an annoying team.
That was our first time beatingthem in five games, and the
five games that they beat us inbefore that was by a total of, I
don't know, less than 10 points.
They're not a great program,but they're just really good at
beating us.
It just annoys me.
So it felt good to watch themblow that lead, considering the

(39:06):
gators this year have blown alot of double digit leads, um,
you know some of which theyended up winning, but I'm sure
you remember, andrew, that thekentucky game in gainesville you
know fell apart at the endthere you guys got us back in
lexington though yeah, that was.
That was insane.
I you know, I definitely didnot think I thought we're going
to beat you guys would be in.

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You guys got us back inLexington though.
Yeah, that was insane.
I definitely did not think Ithought if we were going to beat
you guys, it would be inGainesville.
Rupp pulled like what?
20,000 people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Man, I was very surprised.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
All we had to do was make a free throw.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah, all you guys said is you guys were up by
three and didn't foul.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Yeah, cal won't do it for whatever reason.
I don't get it.
Yeah, he's so stubborn.
We have two top ten NBA draftpicks and he won't start them.
Robin Reed.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Rob Dillingham.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Reed Shepard.
I'm coming off the bench.
We're like begging him, dude,we started the game down 8-1
against A&M.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Please start these guys Do you think Reed Shepard
is going top?
I've looked at some mock drafts, dude they haven't gone.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
1 In some of these mock drafts.
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
I haven't looked at them in a little while, so maybe
they've changed.
But yeah, dillingham is a realdeal.
Antonio Reed, you guys havesome ballers Like every year.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he shouldstart them for whatever reason.
Kyle's an interesting fellow.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
Yeah, he would rather lose his way than take someone
else's advice really so.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
He's the Dan Mullen of college basketball, but has a
national championship.
Yeah, right, right, yeah, don'tget me started on.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Dan Mullen Matt, you got Baylor, uconn and who else?

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Kentucky, baylor, uconn, kentucky and Purdue yeah,
yeah, yeah, I'm a, I'm a Scottdrew believer.
I still remember I mean,granted, it was the COVID kind
of asterisk here, but they beatthat undefeated Gonzaga team.
I mean that that's.
That's gotta be a very you know, pain, painful experience as a

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college basketball fan being aGonzaga fan, cause they've come
close many times, especiallythat undefeated team.
Even if it was the COVID year, Imean, who cares Teams go
undefeated in college footballevery few years.
The last team to go undefeatedin college basketball was boy
that Indiana team Indiana 81.
Yeah dude.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Being a Florida State guy, I know what that's like,
because until Bobby Bowden wonhis first national championship
in what?
93, they were top four.
How many years in a row withoutwinning a national championship
?
So that's what that kind ofreminds me of.
You know, until they broke thestreak.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
But now imagine it for like 20 straight years.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Oh, i's crazy, it's crazy and they've had so many
good teams.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
They've had so many good teams, so many final four
appearances crazy yeah, there'sbeen some talk about them going
to the, to the big 12 for, forbasketball, I guess, for other,
I guess for the other sports too, like baseball and stuff there
just wouldn't be a footballmember but it hasn't
materialized yet yeah, I thinkthe big 12 is waiting, or I mean
the big 10 is waiting, to seewhat happens with the hcc teams

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that are filing suit.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I think, uh, you guys heard clemson filed soon.
I think, now, now, now, thedominoes are going to fall again
.
You're going to see virginia,virginia tech, miami, north
carolina, nc state.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Yeah, they're all, they're all going to do the same
too much because Virginia,virginia, tech, miami, north
Carolina, nc State yeah, they'reall going to do the same.
Too much because I know it's abasketball thing, but I think
that the FSU is going to end upgoing to the Big Ten.
The Big Ten, you know, wantsthat Florida market.
Fox Sports wants that Floridamarket.
Yeah, I think they'd.
But I'm keeping on basketball.
I don't want to get off topic.
I'm the first time on the pod.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Yeah, andrew, who's your final four and who's your
surprise pick?

Speaker 5 (43:04):
So I've got Auburn coming out of the East.
I think it's been since theGators won it that the number
one overall seed when they wentback to back has won the
tournament and the last, thefurthest that a team has come

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since that Gator team on arepeat year is the Sweet 16 is
the furthest they've made it.
So it's really hard to do and Ithink they gave them a really
tough, tough region to come outof.
So I kind of like Auburn.
Another sneaky team I like outthere is BYU.
They're.
They could really shoot theball Well.
They're a good team to watchout for.
Also, drake, they're good.

(43:49):
So I like Auburn out of the East, out of the West.
I think it's Arizona's time.
I think they kind of bouncedback from last year's
disappointment and come outstrong, try to get there to
Phoenix.
Extra motivation In the South,I like.
And then it's two one-seasons.
I like Houston and Purdue.

(44:09):
I think Houston got a little ofa wake-up call in that Big 12
championship game.
I think it's a good reset forthem.
I like their path here as muchas I want to pick Kentucky.
If we end up against Houston,they are the one team that would
just dismantle us, becausethey're the one team that could
defend us really well.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Andrew, I assume you made a bet with Auburn to make
the Final Four, because I made abet with Kentucky at number
three seed that was plus 850.
Auburn's at number four seed.
I would imagine that's plus 900or something like that.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
I haven't looked at it recently, but yeah, I'm going
to probably put a little bit ofmoney on that.
I got Arizona versus Purdue.
I got Purdue doing it.
I'm just doing what Virginiadid.
If you look at their records,they're identical.
Virginia at the same time.
They had the same record duringthe season.

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They lost in the conferencesemifinals.
They were the one seed and theymade it all the way to the
championship.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Auburn should have won that one.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
Auburn yeah, that was a brutal goal.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
BS foul that put Kyle Guy at the line for three.
Look, nothing against Virginia,I have no beef against them.
In fact, my boss is a UVA gradbut I just I remember that game
and I'm just like, yeah, that'snot, that's not a foul, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Corey, did we get your final four pick In surprise
team?

Speaker 3 (45:40):
I'll go UConn.
I think they walked throughthat.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Really.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
I agree too, I do think, auburn would be their
biggest test, assuming they beatSan Diego State.
I think North Carolina isreally good.
I think if anybody gives them atest it'll be St Mary's.
I like Marquette in the south.
I'm just banking on the factthat Houston's going to lose

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before the Elite Eight to eitherDuke or Wisconsin, maybe, and
then I really don't know aboutthe Midwest I guess Purdue.
I don't love Tennessee thatmuch.
I don't like them winning.
What four straight games.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Rick Barnes is not over choking in March.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
And I don't like Creighton either for the exact
same reason.
I feel like if Shireman goesone for seven from three, they
can lose pretty easily.
So yeah, give me three oneseeds and then marquette nice
three ones and a two shannonsharp over here.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Wait, wait, wait to go out and live there, cory you
guys saw that shannon shark picfor the men's and women's all
one of my friends sent me.
One of my friends sent me thescreenshot both and and.
He said hot takes galore,Unreal.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
If something happened one time there's been all four
one seeds.
I said Corey way to go out on11.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yeah, I know, in case you guys were wondering, I'm
just pulling my serious bracketnow, if you will, my big
Cinderella.
I don't have anyone going crazyCinderella like Elite 8, but I
have Mc.
Have anyone going crazyCinderella like a lead eight,
but I have McNeese going to theSweet 16.
Because is Kansas going to haveKevin McCuller and Hunter
Dickinson?

Speaker 5 (47:28):
No, McCuller's out.
Dickinson's going to be there,but McCuller's out.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
All right, well, mcculler's the best player in my
opinion, yeah, yeah.
So I think that's a.
You know, I think they're kindof.
You know what's the phrase I'mlooking for here?
Right for the picking.
There you go, yeah, and youknow, like I said, I like Will
Wade as a coach.
I mean, obviously I didn't likehim when he beat us as the LSU

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coach, but I think he's a goodcoach and I think that they're
going to seize this opportunity.
So looking forward to thosegames.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, I've got three number one seeds UConn, houston
and Purdue but then I've got adark horse, st Mary, who's a
five seed.
I just don't think NorthCarolina, I just think the ACC
was down this year and NorthCarolina looked good towards the
end, but they're playingagainst average ACC teams so

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they've got to go out west sothey're going to be far from
home.
So I think that's adisadvantage.
It's not like the oldGeorgetown team when they went
out to the west and walked rightto the Final Four.
I think it's going to be moredifficult, although everything
that I've been watching, theyall think that UNC's got the
easiest region, which isprobably true, but I don't think

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they're taking anyconsideration.
They're playing all the wayacross the country.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Yeah, but they've got UNC fans everywhere.
They're a big fan base.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
They are, they'll travel, yeah.
Speaking of fans that travelKentucky fans definitely travel,
yeah.
Speaking of fans that travelKentucky fans definitely travel,
andrew.
So I actually saw that almostundefeated Kentucky team in
person in the O-Dome in 2015.
And that was the first Gatorgame I'd been to where there was
like an actual large contingentof away fans, like I remember
looking and I heard go big bluechain, like oh wow, like they

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travel for this, like it's acollege football game.
I mean not you guys in collegefootball.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Yeah, that was the epic.
Willie Kellerstein dunk Reallyjumped from the free throw line.
But yeah, I was at that FinalFour when they lost to the 15.
That was my most disappointingmoment as a sports fan.
Haven't been back to the finalfour since.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Andrew, do you have the bracket pulled up?
I do, yeah, yeah.
What do you want?
Give me an ultimate chaos.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
Final four Chaos, final four.
Okay, so I'll just give you a.
Uh, what do you?
You want double digit seeds, ordo you want just like no, okay?
well actually I like.
So the sleeper teams that I gotin each region out of the east
uh, my two sleeper teams wouldprobably be drake.

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They're very good, they, they,they, they can go on a run.
Iowa State to me.
So there's no team that wasunranked preseason that ends up
being a top two seed that's evermade it to the Final Four.
So I don't see them reallygoing on a deep run here.
So I think Drake could takethat spot.

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Illinois is always a fraud inMarch, so I think they could be
in the Elite easily.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
I like Terrence Shannon a lot, though.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Yeah, he's good, he's really good.
He's one of those guys.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
He just runs downhill and gets fouls whenever he
wants Literally just whenever hewants.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
But Illinois hasn't been to a Final Four since the
Lutherhead 2006 2006.
It's been a long time, yeah.
So I mean, and that's the thingwith the big 10, right is they?
They always fold in thetournament like they'll get out
of the first round and thenthey'll just they won't go on a
deep run.
So, yeah, that would be mydrake and I.

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I really liked BYU early in theseason.
They faded late.
They had a terrible performance.
The big 12 tournament game.
They got destroyed by Texastech, so that kind of turned me
off on them.
Uav is really hot right now.
I'd watch out for them.
I kind of like that.
I like all the twelves.
So last year we didn't have asingle 12 beat a five.
This year I think all the 12scould win.
Yeah, yeah, I might just putmoney on all of them just

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because I like.
The only one is I do reallylike here.
I like St Mary's a lot.
They finally won the West CoastConference over Gonzaga and
they're an elite team.
That's really a senior-led,experienced team.
But Grand Canyon with Bryce,drew, the Lobos or the Antelopes

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, they're dangerous.
So that would be a toughmatchup for them.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
I heard that BYU was supposed to be a five seed but
got moved to a six seed becausethe five seed has to play on
Sunday.
They win their first round gameand BYU doesn't play on Sunday.
I don't know if you guys heardof that, is that true?

Speaker 4 (52:27):
I didn't know that yeah, wait, I mean, I know, I
know they're Mormons, but theyreally like they even they've
never played yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I remember about five years ago they were in the
Super Regional with FloridaState and the deciding game was
on a Sunday and they had topostpone it until Monday.
Byu has an agreement with theNCAA.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
None of their sports teams, none of them will play on
Sunday because of the Mormonreligion.
Wow, wow, I'm surprised NotreDame has never tried to get that
same consideration.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
You know, given that they, you know it is a sabbath
day for not just mormons but,you know, all christian
religions follow the money,follow the money I just, I just
didn't know that yeah yeah, Isaw that on some on some, uh,
youtube video I think it wasESPN Bet, one of those and they
were saying that they weresupposed to be a 5C but they got

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moved to a 6C because theycan't play on Sunday.
So that's kind of aninteresting fun fact.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
But yeah, there was a basketball player for BYU I
don't know.
I want to say it was sometimein the last 10 years and they
almost kicked him off the teambecause it was found out he had
premarital sex.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Yeah, yeah, he was on .
I think he was on Jimmer's team, wasn't he?
They were like that.
They were a really good team.
He was yeah, maybe.
Yeah, he was the best guy.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
The Gators beat the Jimmer team but yeah that, yeah,
it was okay.
So I'm not the only one whoremembers that.
So, yeah, they don't.
They don't mess around at BYU.
Is it true that you can go tobe like like their tuition is
free for like their students Ifyou're Mormon or something?
There was a girl into highschool with one of them going to
BYU and I remember she'stelling me about the way that
looked just all free.

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I'm like wait what I don't know, how does that work?
Yeah, is it all donations Like?
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (54:21):
They got a lot of money at the Mormon Church.
That's for sure.
There's something going on overthere.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I'll tell you the other interesting fact on this
whole tournament that one of youguys mentioned earlier the fact
that Nebraska has never won anNCAA game.
That's an incredible stat,Considering that they're an.
Ncaa, you know.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Is Fred Hoiberg going to be the guy that leads them
to it?
I forget who they're, I forgethis name, but they have a.
I want to be politicallycorrect when I say this You're
talking about.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
Kaisei Tomonaga, yeah , that guy yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Thank you.
Thank you, I didn't want to saysomething.
Yeah, I don't want to saysomething.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
I don't want to offend anyone.
He's electric dude.
That guy's like the JapaneseSteph Curry.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Okay, so he's Japanese.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
I think he is.
I've only seen some highlightsyeah, he's from Japan.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
That was fun to watch in the highlights.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
So funny thing about Nebraska A&M.
So their AD just left, the ADat Texas A&M, so their AD just
left From the AD At Texas A&Mjust left and went to Nebraska
and both in the men's andwomen's tournament Nebraska and
A&M Are playing each other.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Wait, hold on hold on hold on the AD left A&M to go
to Nebraska.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
Last week the athletic director at A&M Left to
take the athletic director jobat Nebraska and this week it
just came out the brackets.
Both the men's and the women'steam are playing each other.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
That's an interesting move.
One would think you would getpaid a lot more at A&M yeah,
whatever their.
I guess you can't call it abowl because it's not football.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
Oh, I'm sorry he went from, I'm sorry, backwards
Nebraska went to A&M Dev Albert.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
That makes more sense .
Yeah, yeah, that makes a lotmore sense.
You know I mean I'm not goingto, like you know, dig into A&M
that much, but how much did theyjust pay Jimbo not to?
They have tons of money.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Jimmy fisher got the best deal in the world oh wow,
this guy was an alum of nebraskatoo.
Played football there.
Oh, that's cold dang, all thatsec money are you guys?

Speaker 4 (56:34):
are any of you?
I know I asked chris aboutchris about this, so every year.
So march madness is by by farmy favorite sporting event.
So I usually take off at leastpart of the day on the first two
round games.
My favorite March Madness iswhen St Patrick's Day falls on
one of the first round.

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Days that's not going to happenfor another five years because
it's just a huge spectacle.
Days that's not going to happenfor another five years because
it's just a huge spectacle.
It's like noon on a Thursday orFriday and you're at a bar and
there's just tons of adults whonormally be at work but
everyone's just drinking andwatching March Madness.
It's just awesome.
But this year my wife needs meat home with a toddler.
So I'm still taking the halfdays but going to watch it at

(57:17):
home.
But any of you take off workfor March Madness or you just
kind of throw the iPad or phoneup at the desk.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
About 10 years ago.
I just bring my TV to work.
Yeah, I do the same thing.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
I saw that.
I saw it on your Instagram 10years ago I was in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Oh, I'm so jealous.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
I'm a huge Vegas guy.
I've been there five times forMarch Madness what sports book.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
did you go to to watch when the Beatles love show
is?
I'm drawing a blank.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
What's the one with the pools?

Speaker 4 (57:53):
That's Stadium Swim.
That's downtown at Circa that'swhere I've never been.
That seems like the only placeplace to watch it now.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
It was crazy because at the end of every half of
every game, regardless of thescore, there was an uproar
because people were bettingspreads for the half and over
under.
And you saw, just back in theday, when people actually had
tickets for their bets, theydidn't have an app, you had
tickets and you would just seepeople ripping up tickets and

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throwing it up the air indisgust, or people just crying
running to the cage booth tocollect their money, but I mean,
it was just jam-packed.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Yeah, that was probably awesome.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
We sat in there for about seven and a half hours
straight just watching abasketball game.
It was absolute chaos, wall towall people.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Yeah, but I am jealous of you, harry, for
having done that.
That's on my bucket list.
I've only been in Vegas.
Normally, as I get older Idon't do this as much because
responsibilities and such butbig EDM fans.
So I love going to the poolparties out there and the club
shows, but I was there inSeptember of 21.
And it's wild because you knowI'm always used to the NFL game

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starting at 1.
But they start at 10 am overthere because it's Pacific time.
And I remember being at the MGMSportsbook and it's just, you
know, you got fans from allthese different teams.
They're all watching a lot moregambling heavy, and it's just,
like you know, after like everycrucial play, it's like, oh gosh
, just people just losing theirminds.
It's, it's, if you haven't, Imean, and for March Madness, I

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can only imagine, you know,compared to a regular NFL Sunday
.
So you guys haven't been for,you know, a good, good weekend
of sports.
I would recommend it.
And MGM they're capitalizing onit too.
They now sell VIP sectionsaround the sportsbook.
You get your own couch andbottle service and stuff.

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So they're starting to makemore of an activity out of it.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I watched it.
It was the Mirage.
That's where I watched thegames.
The Mirage, yeah.
I don't know if I've everactually been.
Was the Mirage that's where Iwatched the games?
The Mirage, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
I don't know if I've ever actually been inside the
Mirage.
I've been inside like Bellagioand Caesars and Wynn and you
know all that good stuff yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I watched that particular day.
I watched it at the Miragebecause we had tickets to see
the Beatles' Love show that wasat the Mirage.
So I was basically there forabout 14 hours straight, you
know, between watchingbasketball and then watching the
show.
So yeah, I would recommend thatto anybody.
That is a hell of a trip andthat is just a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Do you know about Stadium Swim, what Andrew was
talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
No, I haven't heard of that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
So at this hotel called Circa, which is downtown
Vegas, which I still haven'texplored, they hit the nail on
the head.
Whoever thought of this is agenius.
So what they do is they havethis pool specifically for
watching sports and they have,like they have multiple pools,
but they're terraced, so likethey don't go up like extremely
high, but they get higher andhigher, so kind of like stadium

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seating, if you will.
And then they have like onehuge screen that's like
specifically designed not toglare from the sun and like stay
like the perfect level ofbrightness.
And they have like a bunch ofsmaller screens but in reality
are still huge screens becausethey're only small, because
they're next to the giant screenand the pools are heated and
you know, I think you can placebets right there at the pool,

(01:01:26):
yeah, and they, they don't likethey don't mess around, so like
whenever there's like a londongame, that pool will open at
like 6 30 in the morning overthere, whatever time it is, and
I think yeah, I think it's it's6 30 because it started 9 30 on
the east coast and you can juststay all day.
Definitely going to get outthere one day for that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Hope they put a lot of chlorine in that pool.
Oh, they absolutely must.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
The pools in Vegas are disgusting.
I went in one at a pool partyat Marquee, which is at the
Cosmo, one time.
I don't think I'll ever get apool in Vegas, at least one of
the pool party pools ever again.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Christopher.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Final Four.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Final Four.
Let's see, yeah, unc, illinois,tennessee and Duke.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
And Duke and Duke, you got that future with Duke
right.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
I have Duke winning it all in my Not as serious
bracket, but not a bad pick.
So you got Rick Barnes actuallymaking a run For once.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yeah, he'll probably lose that game.
But I need Duke to win.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Who do you have coming out of the East,
christopher?

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Illinois.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
No Illinois.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Is that Illinois?

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Yeah, illinois.
Yeah, that's Illinois.
Okay, alright, they're on theopposite side of UConn, so they
would face UConn in the regionalfinal, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I think UConn's going to lose to Auburn.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Illinois beats Auburn .

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Christopher, can you check to see what the future bet
for Auburn is To make the finalfour?

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
It's plus 380.
They actually have the secondbest odds Behind UConn in that
region.
Really, yeah, I put five buckson it.
It wins 24,.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
But I mean Auburn's on fire.
I got.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Kentucky at plus 850, just to win the South region.

Speaker 5 (01:03:31):
Dude, I'm telling you Kentucky, it's gonna be tough
getting there Right now, don'tbe disappointed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Yeah, but it's only 10 bucks.
I just like that plus $8.50.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
Why not?
Yeah, but now it's full teamKentucky it's doable.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
And Houston has shown that they can just play like
crap, like they did in the Score41 points.
Yeah, I mean for a team thataverages 85 points.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
Here's what makes me nervous about Kentucky.
We are the number five offensein the country.
We're the number 108th defense.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Yeah, man, nba style Gotta love it, gotta love it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
They just don't guard because they think all the
offenses win anyway.
I mean, at least that's whather podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Kentucky players are getting themselves ready for the
NBA All-Star game.
They don't play defense.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Calipari hot seat.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
If he doesn't make it out this weekend he's on the
hot seat.
It's already hot right now.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
What's the buyout for $50?

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
million right now With is what's the buyout?

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
50 million right now with with that recruiting class
he's got coming in how you can'tget rid of them.
You can't get rid of them wait,hold on, sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Five zero, five zero million 50 million.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
That's how much we'd have to pay you.
Wow, that's nothing for bigdonation 20 million less than
jimbo no right, it's not as muchas jimbo, but that's for
football Like, this isbasketball.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Yeah, for college basketball.
That's insane, don't they?

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
have like, don't they have like Three, five, three,
four stars and two, four starsand a three star Coming next
year?

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Yeah, we do it every year, harry, but if we don't win
in March, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
That's the point.

Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
Like we keep doing it and it doesn.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
To be fair, though, cal does have that one.
Now that you're with AnthonyDavis, look March Madness and I
actually agree with my onefriend, who I disagree with a
lot on many things, but I agreewith him on this it's meant to
hurt the good teams In theregular season Because you can
have this great season In asport like basketball that's

(01:05:39):
traditionally a serious sport Todecide who's a better team.
They do seven game, seven gameseries in the nba.
You know all it takes is onebad day against the team.
You know, I think things are alot different when season's on
the line march madness, yeahyeah, that that, but that that's
what makes it great.
He and I actually talked aboutthis and while it would take
away a lot of the upsets, youstill have some, and it would be

(01:06:02):
a little more fair to otherteams.
How many of you guys arecollege baseball fans?

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
yeah, there he is okay.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
so I've gotten into it a lot over the last few years
.
So I wish they would do uhcollege basketball postseason
the way they do uh the nca inbaseball.
The only problem and that wayyou get games on campus, which
would be cool you doubleeliminations.
Those aren't quite as fluky.
The only problem with that isthat you know these kids are

(01:06:31):
college students and there willbe a lot more games and keeping
them away from class for a lotlonger and yeah, so logistically
it would be.
But I think that way, you know,in a sport, because baseball is
even flukier than basketball inmy opinion, and I think that's
why they do that.
But also that happens in June.
So you know, unless they'retaking summer classes, they

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don't have to worry about that.
But I think that would be.
I actually would like thatbetter, but I still love March
Madness the way it is.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
You can't change March.
It's the greatest postseason insports.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
There's nothing like it they're thinking about
expanding the 80 teams.
I know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
It makes sense when you think about when they
expanded it to 64 teams in the90s, the amount of teams total
in Division I sportspercentage-wise was less.
It made sense at the time.
With the amount of teams thatwe've added in D1 sports we're
like over 300 now it would makesense, like proportionally, to

(01:07:30):
increase the size of thetournament.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
I'm all for it.
I love March.
Madness, you want to add morerounds?
Yeah, it'll be like one moreround then I'm trying to think
of how they do it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
Yeah, they want to go to 97.
So essentially it's like addingmore play-ins to get to the I
heard 80.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
I didn't hear 97.
Or would they start givingteams buys or no?

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
I don't know what they.
I don't think they haveanything set up just yet, but
they're in serious talks aboutexpanding.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
It's like how can we make more money?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yeah, Follow the money.
Follow the money.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
I mean.
But then again, the other thingabout March Madness is it's
under the NCAA, and if the NCAAcollapses, like it's all
indications are showing, givenhow football is going, then it
could be a whole differententity that runs March Madness.
From here on out they can dowhatever they want.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Get the college football playoff committee, just
get them.
They're not full-time?

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
Yeah, because there's no full-time employees.
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Harry, no, no flaws at all.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
None whatsoever Not one, yeah, but in order for it.
I've been thinking about that.
So in order for the NCAA tocollapse as a whole, schools
like enough schools, I'massuming just SEC and Big Ten.
I don't know if you guys, I getthose free SiriusXM
subscriptions.
For a few months I waslistening to one of the college
football channels on there.

(01:08:50):
Instead of Power 5, they're nowcalling it the Super 2.
If all the Super 2 schools justband together and they're just
like hey, we're not going to goby the NCAA's rules, the NCAA's
toast, in other words, you haveto get the actual
administrations at a bunch ofschools.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah, I made that prediction a couple months ago
on a podcast that the SEC andthe Big Ten will leave the NCAA
and just form their own league,kind of like a semi-pro.
Think about the money theycould make.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Super League, yeah, league kind of like a semi-pro.
Think about the money theycould make.
You know really, yeah, butcouldn't like, couldn't like
state government step in and belike, oh, you know, you schools,
if you do that, you know likewe're not gonna, you know, give
you grants and stuff like that,like not, not, if not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
If the school's gonna make more money being
independent from the NCAA,because you know, for the public
schools it's all about money,you know.
So if the school can make moremoney not being part of the NCAA
and having their own entity, Idon't see why any state
government would interfere.
They would be like go for it.
Look what's happening inTallahassee.

(01:09:55):
You know the Florida stategovernment, you know the
governor saying, you knowthey're cheering on Florida
State in their lawsuit againstthe ACC.
I see your point but again,follow the money If it's going
to make the school more moneyand the school is funded by the
state.
As far as public universities,private universities, they can

(01:10:20):
do whatever the hell they want.
Look at Notre Dame.
They got their own network andeverything.
So, yeah, I mean that's.
You know.
So each of those conferences,what are 16 teams now?
Something like that 15, 16teams.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
No, the big 10 is 18.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
18, and the SEC is 16 , or is it still 14?

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
It'll be 16 next year .
It'll be 16 next year It'll be16.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
next year You're looking at the ACC.
Schools are going to be splitup between the two conferences,
I would imagine, or maybe someof them join the Big 12.
The Big 12 is going to be asecond-tier league.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Except in basketball Next year.
The Big 12 is going to getArizona.
Big 12 is still going to begreat in basketball next year.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's true, so yeah.
So that'll be interesting.
And you're right, that opens upa whole new can of worms.
I know the contract that CBShas it's with the NCAA.
So if there's a split andyou've got a big group of
schools leave the NCAA, I wouldimagine that voids that contract

(01:11:29):
.
Then it becomes a new biddingwar.
So I don't know.
There's a lot that's going tohappen, especially with those
two conferences in the future.
It'll be fun to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
Yeah, what do you guys think I'm sure you've heard
this In the 2026 playoffs,going from 12 to 14 in football,
do you think they're justangling towards?

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
getting bigger and bigger.
I thought it was just 12.
I didn't know they were goingto 14.
They already expanded 14 in2026.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
Until.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
FSU shoots it down.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
I'll be honest, it's going to be hilarious.
It's going to be hilariousseeing like and I don't think
it's going to happen anytimesoon, but if it does just like a
three loss national champion, Ithink that would just be the
funniest thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Yeah, all right, basketball question for you guys
.
What are we?
What are we thinking?
San Diego State UAB I don'tthink we've talked about that
one.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
I got San Diego State .
I trust them enough to, youknow, get over the whole 5-12
jitters and win that game.
I think I mean UAB.
They were a bid stealer.
You know they weren't going toget in.
I mean, granted, no one in thatconference is going.
You know they weren't going toget in.
I mean, granted, no one in thatconference is going to get in
without winning the tournament,except for FAU.

(01:12:48):
But like I think that they kindof you know, spent a lot of
energy getting that bid and SanDiego State's a good program.
I forget the coach's name, buthe's been there a while.
I want to say Obviously made itto the Maddie last year.
Just, you know UConn was abetter team.
I trust them to win that game.

(01:13:10):
I don't know if you know this,but apparently San Diego State
has like an amazing studentsection, like it's like a
top-ten student section incollege basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Wow, yeah, they're a five seed, though.
Is that is that fair?

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
It's pretty high.
They were the fifth best teamin the mountain West and they
got a five seed.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Now West got like six bids.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
I know and the big, he's only got three and the big
he's got three.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
That's incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Mount mountain West had the weakest non-conference
of any.
Any Mountain West had theweakest non-conference Of any
Scheduling of any conference.
I like UAB there because SanDiego State Is kind of limping
in.
They've lost 3-5.
I just think that they Didtheir thing last year.
If you go back to two years ago, the Mountain West was
Completely out of the tournamentby the Second day.

(01:13:59):
They've been notorious forhaving rough stretches.
Last year, of course, theyproved everybody wrong with San
Diego State going to thechampionship game.
But I like UAB there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
On the topic of college basketball, but not the
tourney, do you guys think UNCstarted a dangerous precedent by
opting out of the NIT last year?
You see how many teams optedout of the NIT this well, you
know why they're doing it?

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
because the transfer portal just opened and they'd
rather just focus on.
They're like well, these guysaren't going to be here next
year anyway oh, that makes somuch sense, that makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, they.
They got to come up with somebetter restrictions on the
transfer that the windows makeno sense like.
It's the same thing for collegefootball with bowl season.
Like the transfer portal opens,windows make no sense.
It's the same thing for collegefootball with bowl season the
transfer portal opens up beforebowl season.

(01:14:46):
So then you go to your bowlgame and you don't even have the
same team because you guys havealready switched different
teams.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
What about?
I guess, andrew?
This question's directedtowards you.
How is Oakland?
Are they good?
Are they?
Are they good or are younervous?

Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
They're good.
Yeah, they, they.
They've got some good talent.
They shoot the ball really welland they could score.
They've scored over a hundred acouple of times this year.
So it's take the over for sureIn our game.
That's going to hit the over.
And Alabama, charleston andKentucky, oakland or two locks.

(01:15:27):
I feel very confident in bothof those.
Yeah, they played a toughschedule.
They played Ohio state, theyplayed Illinois, they played
Drake, they played Xavier.
They played Michigan state,dayton.
They've played a lot of toughteams and they've gotten hot.
Recently.
They've won eight of their lastnine games.
They didn't win their regularseason in that conference or

(01:15:49):
they did win the regular seasonconference in the conference
tournament.
They're a good team.
This is where I'm at.
I've already put $25 on OaklandMoneyline just to have
something there, just in case,because I only put 30 on A&M and
I was like that wasn't enough.
I thought there was a greatchance we'd lose to A&M.

(01:16:11):
I think there's a slight chance.
If we get out of this firstround, I'm definitely doubling
down on the next game becausethis team just makes me certain
over us.
They're so inconsistent withtheir defense they could lose to
anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Let me ask you this what, out of the four 12 seeds,
if you guys had to pick two thatyou were most confident in the
upsets, which two of the 12seeds would you pick?

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
McNeese and I believe , wait, Grand Canyon's the 12th.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Yeah, grand Canyon's the 12th against St Mary's
though.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
Yeah, and I know you're big on them, Harry, but
Grand Canyon.
What about James.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
Mastin, though they beat Michigan State first game
of the season.
They've won 30 games this year.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
And who are they playing again as a five?

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Wisconsin.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Nah, I think Wisconsin can take that.
Yeah, and then who's the last12?
Uab, yeah, yeah.
No, I already talked, yeah yeah.
I'll stick with my Grand Canyonand McNeese, yeah, mcneese is
good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
I've got beating six seeds, I've got Oregon beating
South Carolina and I've got New.
Mexico beating Clemson Clemsonwe talked about earlier.
They're a six seed.
I don't know how they're a sixseed, so let's see who are the
other 6-11s.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
South Carolina kind of got unlucky on that draw.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Texas Tech NC State.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I got NC State beating Texas Tech and I got
Duquesne Beating BYU, so I'vegot all the On my bracket.
I've got all the 11 Seedsbeating the 6 seeds.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
Nice, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
I should do just a little parlay A, a four-game
parlay on that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
If you just bet individual money lines of 12s
and 13s not parlays, justindividual money lines you'd be
profitable every year for thelast 10 years.
Those are the ones you want towatch because you can get
actually really good odds on the13s and the 12s.
What do you guys think aboutUtah State and TCU ones?
You want to watch because youcan get actually really good
odds on the 13s and the 12s.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
What about?
What do you guys think aboutUtah State and TCU?

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
It's an 8-9, isn't it ?
Yeah, I like TCU there TCU's a9.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Yeah, 8-9's a coin flip.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
What about Matt?
You mentioned it earlier, butwhat's the deal With Gonzaga
this year?
Are they just not as prolificas they have been in the past?

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Yeah, they're also just kind of Like a weird team
like they.
I mean, they had some like theylost, like Santa Clara, like
normally, like the only you knowthey might have like one upset
loss In the WAC or the WestCoast Conference.
I think they loss in the whackor the west coast conference.
I think they're on the westcoast conference, actually wcc,
and and then, like you know,they might lose st mary's and
that's that, and then, like theydon't, they may lose to, like

(01:19:12):
you know, like a good team inthe in the preseason or the
early season.
Sorry, non-con, but this yearthey're just not as prolific,
but they still have gram ek, butthey can still surprise people.
They came in a rough and won,as I'm sure Andrew remembers.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Did they?
When was that game?

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
It was such a weird game.
It was in the middle of SECplay, yeah, yeah, and it wasn't
a challenge.
It wasn't like the SEC Big 12challenge they used to do, which
now it's SEC.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
We signed like a seven-year deal to play them
home and away, home and away.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I've heard a lot of people picking McNeese to beat
Gonzaga just because of that5-12.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
That 5-12 historically has been a big
upset of games.
Where is a team that and thisis obviously when I started
watching college basketball buta team I feel like I've seen
every year for a long time isnot in here.
Where's Seton Hall NIT?
Were they like first floor out?
Were they close, or they justhad it down here?

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Oh yeah, they were.
Even Patino, who's obviouslythe coach of St John's, raised
them and said they're the oneswho really got nubbed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Yeah, because only three Big East teams got in.
They were talking about five orsix, so them and St John's got
screwed.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
The reason that so many teams got screwed this year
is because there were five bidstealers, as they call them, and
last year there were none.
So if you're on the bubble, youdon't want to see the NC Stakes
and the UABs winning thesetournaments.
You want, you know, one of thecontenders.
So you want to go chalk.
But it did not happen that year.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Well, I agree what you said.
I mean having two sets of 16seeds play in the play-in game.
Change that to 10.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
Change that to a 10 seed.
Yeah, like this game.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
I'm watching right now.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
I'm actually interested in.
You know, virginia.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
Colorado State oh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Virginia's not in there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Yeah they're in the play right now.
They're in the play right now.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
They'll win Go Cavs.
They're losing by six.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
It's 14 to 18, and there's five minutes left in the
first half.

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
The over-under was 120.
I took that on this game sucks.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Well, no, they're a defensive team.
We played them earlier thisyear and we didn't have Zion
Pullen because the NCAA is theNational Communist Athletic
Association and they made ZionPullen sit the first three games
because he took part in anexperimental test of waters.
Maybe you want to go to the NBA, maybe you don't camp over the

(01:21:45):
summer and somehow they settledon okay, you have to sit out
three games.
So we didn't have him.
We lost by three, but they're areally good team defensively
Virginia, and I think they'vebeen like that for a while.
Right, it's kind of like whatTony Bennett does.

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
Yep, yep.
This year their offense isactually really bad.
They go long stretches withoutscoring.
I didn't think they were goingto get in.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Andrew, you're high on Drake.
They're a 10 seed.
How far do you have them goingin your bracket?

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
I got them in the Sweet 16.
I think they could upset the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Iowa State.
You got them beating Iowa State.
Interesting Drake's good, Ithink they could upset Iowa.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
State.
You got them beating Iowa State.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
Interesting.
Yeah, they're good, drake'sgood.
I don't know a single thingabout Drake.
It's one team I've literallywatched none this year but their
name is Drake and the rapperDrake has the Drake curse.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
So just based on that , where's Lamar?
I've been betting Lamar allseason.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
They're in McNeese's conference.
That's why they're not there.
Yeah, the.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
Southland.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Snubbed.

Speaker 5 (01:22:46):
So Drake's going to be a storyline because their
coach, the best player on theirteam, is their coach's son,
tucker DeFries.
He averages 22 points a game.
Drake was really good last yearand they ran to Miami first
round.
Miami went to the Final Four.
Yeah, what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
to Miami.
First round, miami went to theFinal Four yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
What happened to Miami this year.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
Good, that's a good question, they just quit.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
I love what happened to Miami this year.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
They finished dead last right.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
They're the only Final Four team to not make it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
They threw the rest of them in the same region.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Louisville, I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:23:23):
But they're like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Second or third to last.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Alright, I got two more questions For two games
that I don't think we've Eithertalked about or at least not in
depth.
First one Dayton Nevada 7versus a 10.
I think a few people saidNevada to go through.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Yeah, I got Nevada winning that one.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
Yeah, Dayton's Nevada winning that one.
Yeah, Dayton's a big fraud tome.
They got one player.
He's an NBA talent.
He's their power forward.
He's actually pretty good, butit's Darren Holmes, and the rest
of their team, though, to me isnot very good.
I bet on him multiple timesthis year and they let me down.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
What's he projected to go in the mocks?

Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
He's a first-round pick.
Yeah, he's good.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
So Nevada, Where's Oral Roberts?
They didn't make it this year.

Speaker 5 (01:24:14):
Their star player is on.
He transferred to Texas, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
It's spelled Abmas, abmas, yeah, so what do we think
about Texas?
Have we talked about?
Yeah, it's spelled Ab-miss, buthe pronounced it as-miss yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
So what do we think?

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
about.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Texas.
Have we talked about Texas atall?
Do we see them kind of making arun?

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
No, I got them losing in the first round to whoever
comes out of this game.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Well, the second round you got UT versus UT,
university of Texas versusUniversity of Tennessee.
So you pick UT to win that game.
You can't lose.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Well, Matt, you just said you have Texas losing the
first game.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Yeah, whoever comes out of this playing game I'm
watching right now, I just don'thave much faith in them Like
they were like.
So I, you know, obviously, as ahuge college basketball fan,
like I follow bracketology thewhole year through, I follow.
You know, obviously, as a hugecollege basketball fan, like I
follow bracketology the wholeyear through, I follow.
You know I see who becomes alock each week and they were
like one of the I think one ofthe last locks in the Pac-12.
I'm sorry, not Pac-12, big 12.

(01:25:11):
Granted, you know really deepleague, but you know I, okay, to
be fair, I kind of saw Virginiacoming out of this, but they're
down by eight and I justthought Virginia's defense would
clamp down on them.
And also I just thought, youknow, when they had Chris Beard,
they were more dangerous andthen that whole thing happened
and they don't have him anymore.
And then Shaka Smart, who theyfired, is now the coach of

(01:25:33):
Marquette.
So I just think you know thatthey're not that dangerous.

Speaker 5 (01:25:42):
And yeah, but if Colorado State wins this,
Colorado State's not bad.
Now watch out for the first.
So the first four every year,one of those teams that won one
of the play-ins won the firstround.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
Yeah, I heard that today.

Speaker 5 (01:25:54):
Yeah, that's definitely a trend to watch out
for.
To me, Texas has been fraudsall year.

Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
Wait, the two 16 seeds, that being the ones were
either of those.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
Well, last year it was Fairleigh Dickinson.
Last year Fairleigh Dickinsonhad to win a play-in and then
beat Purdue.
Fairleigh Dickinson last yeardidn't even win their conference
.
The team that won theirconference was ineligible
because they hadn't been theNCAA D1 for two years.
So that's how FairleighDickinson got in, and then they
beat Purdue.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Well talking about that 10-seed playing game.
That's why a lot of people havethe winner of Colorado Boise
State beating Florida, plus thefact that Florida's center got
hurt and he's out.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Yeah, preparing for two teams, though, that's just
also hard to do.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
I like both those teams.
Colorado's got an NBA playertoo.
Cody Simpson's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
To answer the question earlier about the Miami
Hurricanes, they went fromFinal Four.
This year they finished 15-17.
In the ACC, in the week ACC,they finished 6-14.
Only Louisville, who was 3-17,finished worse than they did.
So they really went from FinalFour to just absolute crap.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Isn't Louisville the team that put 100 on FSU?

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Yep, that was one of the games that I put money on
Florida State and of course theylost and I took that bet.
I took it for them just to win,not even to cover.
Thanks for reminding me aboutthat.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
I appreciate that, christopher, thanks man, that's
one of the things I rememberfrom this season.

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
Don't get me started.
Obviously, harriet, I don'tknow you so you're excluded from
this.
But all my friends who went toFSU, who I know from FSU, when
basketball was good like, I liketo equate the FSU basketball
fan base to the Miami footballfan base Very fair weather,
they're there when it's good,like even like my one friend who
was like the biggest fan I knewat FSU.

(01:27:55):
I mean, like I remember before,like that recruiting class with
Dwayne Bacon and Malik Beasleycame in.
He was so hyped he wasfollowing, he knew everything
going on.
Now he's just like, oh, I hopewe win, kind of like a go team
type response when I ask himabout it.
I'm just like, man, come along,far cry from the New Blood days
, huh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Yeah, I think our coach is 70 years old, or
70-plus years old.
I think it's time for him tomove on.
That's the problem with FloridaState right now.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
I don't think they're going to fire him because I
hope they don't, but I thinkthat they want him to leave on
his own so they don't look likethe big bad guys.
Yep, I agree, if I'm FSU and Ican somehow get first of all
screw looking nice, you want towin, you fire Ham and you go
after Dusty May, I'd be okaywith that.

(01:28:48):
It looks like Dusty May isgoing to Louisville.
Oh, really that's what theywant.
Yeah, what's a better job?
Louisville or Michigan?

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Go blue Right now.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
Michigan Louisville is a basketball school
Michigan's a basketball schoolMichigan's always got a
basketball school, traditionwise, but Michigan's Not a
basketball school.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
They're also like overall, I guess, a bigger brand
and you're probably going toget paid more At Michigan, right
or no?

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
Yeah, I could see that.
To be honest, if you went backwhen patino was there,
louisville was like a top 10program.
Now I mean it's hard to saylike they've really fall apart
I'm not totally sold on toddgolden.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
I actually wanted us to hire rick patino.
I mean, he's the only coach towin an ID at two programs.
No, I do that.
He's like 75.
Okay, but still, I think that'sthe kind of guy who just loves
coaching basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
He's a young 75.
Even after the thing happenedthe whole scandal.

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
He was coaching for Puerto Rico and Penethonikos in
Greece.
I even DM'd.
During the thick of the MikeWhite years I DM'd Penethonikos'
Instagram account and I saidplease let Rick Pitino release
him so he can come to Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
I even.

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
DM'd Scott Strickland about how to get rid of Mike
White and try to rehire BillyDonovan after we lost to the
Noles for the sixth straighttime.
Dude, we lost to FSU inbasketball for seven straight
years.
That's ridiculous.
I mean.
It's never acceptable infootball.
But at least in football, whenit happens, you understand why
they're a really good program.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
That's a beautiful thing.
That's a beautiful thing whenit happens.
What are you talking about?
It's a beautiful thing.
No, it's just hilarious to me.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
You guys didn't fire Mike White.
He left to go to Georgia.
That's what's so funny aboutthat.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
But that was great.
No, but that was awesome aboutit because they paid us for him
instead of us paying a buyout.
He's 0-5 since leaving.
Look, if he went to some randomschool like Minnesota, I'd have
no ill will against him, but hereally thought he was going to
do something by going to ourrival.
So now I hate him Like not likehate him as a person, just, you

(01:31:06):
know, in the sports sense, butyeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
I hate him as a person.

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
No, he, he, he's a good dude.
He's not like like in terms ofhe didn't do anything.
You know that I view as morallywrong, like Jim McElwain did,
where he would just like takeplayers off scholarship without
even telling them they find outthrough a letter in the mail or,
like you know, like lie aboutno, that was actually that was
not him, but he lied about ourfamilies getting death threats

(01:31:34):
yeah, the fake death threats.
Or like Dan Mullen, who justlike stopped doing his job and
like, literally I think he wasangling for a buyout.
I mean, you don't go up on apress conference after a loss
and say we'll talk aboutrecruiting when the season's
over, it's, it's football timenow.
Like come on, dude, Seriouslyyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
So where's, where's Will Muschamp at?

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
Auburn Georgia.
Auburn Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Georgia.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Georgia.
Yeah, he was a Georgia alum.
I still have a theory thatMuschamp was a Georgia double
agent.
He was our coach and the onlytime we beat them was just to
throw off suspicion.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Wow, damn.
Usf put 49 on UCF.
In the first half, 49-35.

Speaker 5 (01:32:20):
Holy crap, harry.
Before the NIT started theywere plus 10,000 to win the NIT.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Who.

Speaker 5 (01:32:29):
USF.
Yeah, I threw five bucks.
I was like that wins 500?
Give it to me, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Wow, yeah, why not?

Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
By the way, virginia playing right now they have not
scored in eight minutes.
They're still at 14 points inthe first half.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
48 seconds almost.

Speaker 5 (01:32:47):
Yeah, they have not scored since the nine-minute
mark.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Yeah, it's not looking good for the Hoos
Question from the Midwest.
What are we thinking about thepossibility of McNeese and
Sanford in the next round?
That could happen.
Kansas 2 hurt, or what do wethink?

Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
I still have Kansas making it past that, but I
wouldn't be shocked if thathappened.
I mean, I think this isSanford's first time making the
tourney since 2000,.
So they've got to be pumped.
They're going to want to have agood showing.
I'm going to have an echo now.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
Yeah, I just got that too, it just started just now.
I have an echo for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Speaking of Georgia.
We were just talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Harry, I'm looking at you here.
What do you got?

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
I don't hear an echo for Harry.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
Harry, I'm looking at you here.
What do you got, are you?
I don't hear an echo for Harry.
Oh my God, I can't even talk.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
I don't know, Can you guys hear me, because my airpod
ran out of battery.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Interesting.
I think we're getting an echofrom you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
Follow the money Unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
I still can't believe .
Virginia has 14 points in onehalf.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
They're really making the committee look good.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
Do you think that they're going to move to like
robo committee soon?
I heard that on the Floridabasketball hour.
As soon as they're thinkingabout doing that instead of
having like a human selectioncommittee?

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Let me try this.
Let's go's go cool, all right.
Uh question, we were talkingabout georgia.
I don't recall ever seeing themin the ncaa tournament, are
they just not like?

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
georgia tech as well I don't really remember them
being in the tournament that'sbecause georgia basketball is a
poverty program and they haven'tbeen in the tournament since
2015,.
And they thought they reallydid something by stealing
quote-unquote Mike White awayfrom us, and now they are 0-11
against the Gators in the last11 games.
So yeah, I'm not biased at all,just talking facts?

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
No, not at all.
What about?
Andrew went to Georgia Tech.
So what are you thinking aboutGeorgia Tech's basketball
program, Are they just not?
I?

Speaker 5 (01:35:05):
mean they beat Duke and North Carolina and Wake
Forest.
They had all these great winsand then they couldn't beat the
shitty teams like Louisville andBoston College and Florida
State.

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
Yeah, I don't know the first year.
No, they beat Florida State.
Yeah, I don't know.
First, year.

Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
No, they beat Florida State.
Yeah, it's going to be so toughto build up that program
because they've been down for solong.
I mean, they haven't been tothe NCAA tournament since 2010.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
Didn't they make the Final Four?
No, we made it in 2020.

Speaker 5 (01:35:38):
We lost in the first game, the COVID year.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
But didn't they make the Final Four or the Natty?
They made the Final Four, orpossibly the Natty in the Emeka
Okafor.

Speaker 5 (01:35:47):
Yeah, they lost to UConn in Emeka, Okafor yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
In the Natty or the Final Four.

Speaker 5 (01:35:54):
The National Championship game 2004.

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
That was the Jarrett Jack team, right, I think that
was the guy's name.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, at least they have that.
Some teams don't have that.
I'm just saying I'm not evenbeing troll.
It's a big deal to make it thatfar.
The tournament is a very hardtournament to make that far.

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
Yeah, it's just tough .
I guess, george Tech, I meanright now we're just trying to
build back our football program.
That's also been down.
So it's one thing at a time.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
Are you glad that the triple option is gone?

Speaker 5 (01:36:28):
I was until how bad we were.
After it was gone, at leastwhen we had triple option, we
were making bowl games andbeating Florida State.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
Yeah, cool upsets.

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
coach's name.
He's not there anymore, right,the one that ran the triple
option.

Speaker 4 (01:36:47):
Yeah, yeah, what was that coach's name?
He's not there anymore, right,the one that ran the?
Yeah, he retired.
Yeah, the only the only problemwith the, with the triple
option, is that.
Then you like, I mean, did youguys, would you guys just
recruit, like regular, likeplayers who came out of
non-triple option offenses andjust be like, okay, well, you're
gonna have to adapt to this?
Or would you like, would you goto like, look at high schools
around the country who ran thatand then recruit those players
specifically?

Speaker 5 (01:37:03):
Yeah, I mean you really just look for smaller
linemen because it's cutblocking.
So that's what made it sodifficult for us to switch from
it to a normal offense.
We literally had to recruittotally different.
We didn't even have a tight endon the roster.
So yeah, I mean, as far as theskill positions, I mean we were
putting out great receipts.

(01:37:23):
Calvin Johnson came out ofthere, right.
Demarius Thomas, like we hadsome great receipts.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
Darren Baller, like we had some great receipts.
Was Calvin Johnson there duringthe triple option years?

Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
Yeah, at the tail.
Well, he was there.
We kind of ran like a hybridwith Reggie Ball, not the
straightforward tip option, butmore that was.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
that was early 2000s, so that was right before paul
johnson got there I mean I knowthey throw it every once in a
while in triple option offense,like that's kind of like the you
know something they do likeevery few times a game.
But yeah, I mean yeah butDemarius Thomas.

Speaker 5 (01:37:59):
He was in the triple option offense Damn yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Yeah, all right, shout out.
Orlando Magic.
They made the postseason, didthey already clinch?
Yeah, I just got an alert.
I'm a big fan, wow.

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
Weren't they steamrolling somebody tonight?

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
I haven't been to a Magic game in 12 years,
something like that.
It was when LeBron was on theheat and it was an Orlando Miami
game.
Oh, they beat the Hornets.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
About 20.
I'm just hoping my Pistonsaren't the worst team in the
league Right now.
They're not, Is it Washington?
Yeah, Wizards are the worst.
I just don't want to go down asthe woke team.
I thought for a while we may godown as the worst team of all
time record-wise, but I thinkthe only team I think the worst

(01:38:55):
team of all time was the Bobcats.
During that one lockout year,the year the Heat won it with
LeBron for the first time, orthe first time LeBron got a
championship, I should say 2011,I think.
Yeah, that Bobcats team wonseven games.
But shortened season.
You got to go by winningpercentage.
I don't think the Pistons arein danger of having that

(01:39:18):
terrible title anymore, but I'dhave to check to be sure.

Speaker 5 (01:39:26):
Yeah, they're only one game up on the wizards, so
yeah, what'd they lose?

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
like 25 in a row or something crazy yeah, we, I
think we taught we tied therecord for most most losses in a
row.
But as long as we're not theworst team in the league at the
end of the season, I don't careabout that.
Unlike the NFL, there's alottery, so it's not like you're
guaranteed the first overallpick anyway.

(01:39:50):
Apparently, this year's draftis not going to be anywhere near
as good as last year's draft.
No, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:39:56):
What's killing us is that we have good freshmen and
all of them are top picks.
Essentially, all of them couldgo lottery, yeah, so it's going
to be tough to keep, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:40:08):
I remember watching Reed Shepard against Miami?
I'm just like man.
This guy is just dangerous.

Speaker 5 (01:40:16):
It's crazy man.
He's a kid from Kentucky going.
We thought he was a four-yearplayer and here he is.
He'll be a lottery pick.

Speaker 4 (01:40:25):
You think any chance he stays just because he's from
Kentucky?

Speaker 5 (01:40:29):
Not if he's a lottery pick.
I don't think he even goes.
I think at this point he's alock for the first round,
probably a lock for the lottery,so he's for sure.
I mean, he'd be crazy to comeback.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
Like on an opposite side of that.
You know, you say that was afour year player and he's a
Larry pick.
Like I don't know what'shappened to Riley Kugel.
Like Riley Kugel was supposedto be.
You know, at the end of lastseason there was talking to me,
just going straight to the NBA.
He came back.
He was supposed to be our best.
One out of every seven gameshe'll have, maybe even less

(01:41:02):
he'll have a really good game,but other than that he's bad
with turnovers.
His defense is great, but Iheard on the Florida Basketball
Hour podcast that there's talkof him not playing in the NCAA
tournament.
I don't know if he's going totransfer, if he's just not happy
with the situation or what, butyeah, I thought he was going to

(01:41:23):
be the guy this year, justhasn't been.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Well, I guess we're at an hour 45.
Do we have any closing thoughts, any nuggets we want to part
the listeners with?
Maybe we can do another episode.
When is there a little break?
Is it before this week?

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
16?
.
After Sunday yeah, Sweet 16starts next Thursday.

Speaker 5 (01:41:49):
Yeah, okay, so maybe next week we can do a follow-up
episode, while we go around realquick and everyone give a
double-digit Sweet 16 team.
We'll see if anyone gets itright.
Okay, you guys go first.
I'm still thinking double-digitSweet 16 team.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
We'll see if anybody gets it right.
Okay, you guys go first.
I'm still thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
I'm going to go with JMU.
Oh okay, the Dukes Wisconsinalways finds a way to lose in
tournament.
I feel like they're going to dothat.
They're going to go on thatgreat run in the Big 10 and
they'll come out and lose thefirst game.
Jmu's tough.
They're experienced, they shootthe ball really well, they play
good defense.
I don't believe in Duke.

(01:42:30):
If Duke even is there, I thinkVermont could beat Duke.
I think JMU can make it to thesecond weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:42:38):
I got McNeese Cowboys .
They have a standoff show.
Yep.
Fun fact, mcneese has a formerMike White Florida player.
I'm trying, he wasn't great, itwas CJ Felder, that's his name.
He's been to Boston College.
I didn't know that.

(01:42:59):
And now McNeese.
Yeah, yeah, cj Felder's onMcNeese.
I don't know that.
And now McNeese.
Yeah, yeah, cj Felder's onMcNeese.

Speaker 5 (01:43:03):
I don't think he starts though yeah, he's only
averaging six points a game.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
I've got the Wild, wild West.
I've got St Mary going to theFinal Four.
I've got Nevada and McNeesegoing to the Sweet 16, with
Nevada going to the Final Eight.
Yeah, nevada, okay, yeah, goingto the Sweet 16 with.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Nevada going to the Final Eight.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
So those are my yeah, nevada, okay, yeah, so those
are my double-digit seats.
I think the West is wide open.
I just think North Carolina isgoing to find a way to lose and
I think once North Carolinaloses and Arizona loses, that's
going to really open it up.
Arizona finds a way to choke.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
So, but maybe it's a party like 1997 this year for
them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Yep, I'm just going to rename that West region and
call it the Wild Wild West,anything goes I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Give me Oregon in the Sweet 16.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
Ooh, okay, plus 470.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
And then they'll lose .
Give me Oregon in the Sweet 16.
Ooh, okay, plus 470.

Speaker 5 (01:44:07):
And then they'll lose to Tennessee.
Jmu is plus 680.
Mcneese State is plus 570.
This is on FanDuel, and thenNevada plus 470.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
Sports betting is legal in Florida now.
Yeah it's lit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Harry, did you know that?
I hear you.
Usf is 10 for 18 on three-pointshots 55%.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
Wow Geez, they woke up feeling dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
They're shooting 55.6% from three-point and from
all field goals 55.2%.
So they're shooting better fromthe three Everywhere else.
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
Andrew, are you going to go, Drake?
I assume?

Speaker 5 (01:44:52):
I went JMU, but let me see what Drake's odds are.
They are plus 570.
What about Oakland?
I'm going to say Charleston.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Charleston.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
Yeah, I'm going to say Charleston.
So what do we make of Alabama?
Did we talk about that at all?

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
I actually have them going to the Elite Eight in my
bracket, believe it or not.
I thought I had them down outearlier, but the other way it
shook out I have them going tothe Elite Eight in my serious
bracket.
It's them versus Baylor in theElite Eight.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
Do you have them beating UNC, I assume?

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
I do, yes, maybe they've gotten their losses out
of the way.
Kind of just one of thosemental things.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
I've got St Mary that part of the bracket.
I've got St Mary running to theFinal Four.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
Harry, who do you have coming out of the West?

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
Hey, I'm going to keep saying it St Mary, St Mary.

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
If you say it.
If St Mary's ends up making theFinal Four, they're 10-1.
Genius To up making the Final.

Speaker 5 (01:46:01):
Four, they're 10-1.
To make the Final Four Harry10-1.
I should just tell that it's asign I'm going to do it just for
Harry.

Speaker 4 (01:46:12):
We should campaign for Harry To get on like a show
or something.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Go Grand Canyon Over St Mary's, and then they lose to
the Bama.

Speaker 5 (01:46:22):
Bama's one of those teams.
I'd be shocked if Bama made itto the Sweet 16.
This Bama team is just fallingapart.
The over-under, by the way, isa 173 for that Bama-Charleston
game.
It's the highest total since1996.

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
Wow, who shoots better that day?

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
With that being said, are you taking the over?

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
I'm taking the over, let's do it oh, I just saw the
ending to that wagner howardgame.
They had so many chances.

Speaker 5 (01:46:51):
Yeah, I know man three chances to tie the game.

Speaker 4 (01:46:53):
So so how howard has that guy seth towns, who's been
playing in college basketballsince 2016, but there's just
like been like injuries in covetyear, so technically still has
two more, two more years ofeligibility left after this.
He's been playing in collegebasketball since 2016,.

Speaker 5 (01:47:06):
But there's just been injuries in COVID year so he
technically still has two moreyears of eligibility left after
this.

Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
He was a freshman with Jason Tatum, that's how old
he is.
Wow, he's been there since theObama administration.
Wow, wagner's first NCAAtournament win in school history
.
But you really count this asyour first tournament win?
Yeah, it counts.
I mean, I guess that is one ofthe benefits of having the 16

(01:47:30):
teams play, that they can callthis a tournament win, whereas
they're not just going right upagainst the one and probably get
smacked.
But I don't know, I think Ithink I actually think a lot of
players would rather just go tothe first round and not have to.
You know, I don't know.
That would be interesting topull some players on that, get

(01:47:51):
their opinion.
All right, We'll just wrap itup.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
Wrap it up, let's wrap it up.
All right, folks?
Thanks for tuning in.
We'll put out an episode nextweek with all of our reactions
to all of our correct picks.
Maybe a few incorrect pickshere and there, not.
St Mary's, though not St Mary'swe need to get a bracket pool

(01:48:16):
going as well, just to throwthat out there.
Oh yeah, but um appreciatey'all tuning in.
I guess that does it for us justto throw that out there.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, but yeah,Appreciate you all tuning in.
I guess that does it for us.
This is March.

Speaker 4 (01:48:28):
Thanks for having me on the show Well, yeah, yeah,
nice to meet you man, Of course.

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