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Speaker 1 (00:09):
three, two, one,
hello and welcome sports bros.
Episode 35, final four set yeah, uconn set.
Yeah, uconn Alabama, uconnAlabama and Purdue in state,
just like we all predicted.
Tell me why UConn isn't goingto win by double digits, wait
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they're not playing St Mary's.
I thought Hold on.
I think I have the women'sfinal four.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, check it.
I think St Mary's was in thisright I heard it was a lot, very
reliable.
Yeah, I heard it on a podcastand the guy was pretty adamant
about it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, he said it
about 4 or 5 times.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
They must have been
the elite 8, at least they must
have gotten knocked out rightbefore the final.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Alabama's final 4
team.
They're hot.
It sucks that.
You know they must have beenthe Elite Eight, at least right.
They must have gotten knockedout right before the final.
Alabama's Final Four teamthey're hot.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
It sucks that you
know St Mary's ran into Alabama
the buzzsaw right.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
They got out of the
first round and lost to Alabama.
Okay, at least they lost to theFinal Four team right.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I do remember in that samepodcast that someone said that
if Alabama makes the Sweet 16,I'd be shocked.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Care to answer that?
Yeah, that was a man.
Did I have some bad takes?
I?
can't believe it I think Alabamaand Clemson are two examples.
I guess NC State for thatmatter too.
If you count prior to the ACCtournament, the regular season
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doesn't mean anything.
The way you finish the seasondoesn't mean anything when it
comes to it.
It's a brand-new year,brand-new season when you hit
March and anything can happen aslong as you got the pieces.
Alabama's defense was awful,awful for most of the season,
especially at the very end, thelast couple weeks.
What did they lose, Corey?
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They won like two of their lastseven games or something.
They dropped like four or fivegames at the end of the year,
gave up 100 points to Florida.
I mean terrible defense.
And then they get in thetournament and all of a sudden
they can play defense, they canstart guarding people.
They can, you know, play a.
That Grand Canyon game was likea you know rough you up kind of
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foul fest.
They grinded it out.
It's been remarkable, Liketheir run.
Clemson's run too, was to meshocking to see, and they had a
chance to beat Alabama there.
At the end, Alabama just gothot from three, which, if you
want to make a case againstUConn, a team that could take
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them down, is a team likeAlabama.
They could go out and justshoot the lights out.
They could get up on you.
They can score points in ahurry.
If UConn wasn't careful in thisgame, Alabama is definitely
capable of going on a 10-0, 15-0run.
Uconn just did that to Illinois30-0 run.
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It was incredible.
Alabama is the one team thatmight be able to do it.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I agree, but I don't
know how they're going to stop
UConn.
That's just another level ofoffense that they're playing.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I'd be shocked if we
don't see UConn-Purdue.
I just feel like that's thecollision course that we're on.
I'll chalk.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, that would be
the best.
That'd be the best final.
I wouldn't even know what tothink about that game.
Yukon Purdue.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yukon Imagine a Yukon
Purdue final is just an ED foul
fest, like it's just 40 freethrows for ED just on the
national stage.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, I was out with
like 17 minutes left in the
second half.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I mean honestly
Filipowski.
That's if you want to endUConn's dominance.
It's Alabama gets really hotfrom three or they get it run
into.
Zach Edie have no answer in theofficiating, just edges in
favor of Purdue.
Purdue's at the line 40 times.
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That's basically it.
Uconn is a buzzsaw right now.
That's the only way I see themslipping up.
If it's NC State, they're justgoing to demolish NC State.
No offense to their run.
What they've done is incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
They would have
gotten hammered by Houston.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
She stayed healthy.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, that was quite
an injury in favor of Duke there
If Duke didn't have that secondhalf collapse against NC State.
I mean you're sitting herethinking that was probably the
easiest cakewalk to a Final Four.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Called it.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I mean, I still think
2015 was probably the easiest
walk to a Final Four.
That was one that was almostgifted to Duke the fact that
they literally didn't have toplay anyone.
Got to play an under-seededMichigan State team in the Final
Four and then got to playWisconsin, who just played the
game of their program's history.
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To beat undefeated Kentucky wasalready gassed, their emotions
were spent and Duke just wasgifted that title.
That was what I thought wasgoing to have happen here.
The bracket completely opens up.
Marquette goes down, kentuckygoes down, duke gets to play
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Vermont, jmu, houston withouttheir point guard, and then NC
State, their rival, who they'veowned for years, who are going
to be playing their ninth gamein like 10 days at that time.
Exactly, yeah, a team that's onan incredible run.
Let's talk about that for asecond NC State.
They already have the mostimprobable run in the history of
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college basketball in 83, whenthey beat the 5 Slamma Jamma
Houston team with clyde drexlerand akima lajuan, uh, which
honestly is one of my favorite.
30 for 30s.
The survive, uh, survive inadvance.
It's one of the best this mighttop that.
I mean it's hard to say thatjust given that they had to go
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through Michael Jordan, samWorthy, north Carolina team.
They had to be, you know,number one Virginia with Ralph
Sampson Incredible the amount oftalent in college basketball in
the early 80s, like that wasthe golden age of college
basketball.
So it's really hard to say thatthis is even on that level.
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So it's really hard to say thatthis is even on that level.
But you're talking about a teamthat had lost what?
14 games in the regular season,no shot at a postseason, unless
they win the ACC tournament,and then they're playing on
Tuesday at the ACC tournament.
The ACC is now double what itwas back in 83, right, like they
have so many teams, they had toplay five games in five days
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the finals on saturday, so theystarted tuesday wednesday
thursday yeahyeah.
So they're starting tuesday,they're playing louisville one
of the worst teams in thecountry, and they're losing.
They were losing at halftimethat game.
Pretty sure they were down byas many as 10 points in that
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game and they come back, winthat game.
Then they go to play Virginia,and that game was insane.
They were down, I want to saysix, with like a minute left.
They had to get fouled,shooting a three.
Virginia had to miss.
Before that, beekman missed thetechnical, so they missed the
front end of the technical freethrow.
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Then Virginia goes down, foulsMarcel, shooting a three.
They get the three free throwsand then at the very end,
mcneely all he has to do 87%free throw shooter, best one
Virginia has at the line missesthe free throw.
That would have made it fourpoint lead.
They get the rebound, they godown, they hit the three at the
buzzer.
They force overtime.
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I mean the most impossible runyou can think of.
This team even got to thetournament.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, not to mention
that win against Virginia was
sandwiched between a win againstDuke the week before and,
obviously, unc in the finalright, right, like they beat the
heck out, they crushed Dukeyeah in that game that's why I
thought the Duke game just nowthat was going to be tough, just
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because they already beat Dukelast week yep, yep, tough to
beat the same team twice in ashort amount of time.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And they did it.
And yeah that, that emotionalgame.
Against Duke, they come off,they, their legs are tired.
Against Virginia, they play theovertime game and then they
beat North Carolina One seat inthe title game, acc.
And then you know, they gotlucky that, you know, kentucky
fell apart, lost to Oakland, sothey got Oakland in the second
round, but they had to play thatgame in overtime.
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That wasn't an easy game.
Oakland was still shooting.
They were red hot.
Golke made seven threes in thatgame.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
That Townsend kid is
really good.
I saw he hit the portal thismorning too.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, he's going to
be a big-time name in the portal
, for sure.
Just incredible what they'redoing.
The are just incredible whatthey're doing, the fact that
they're here.
If they could beat Purdue.
That's why I'm sitting therethinking, if they beat Purdue,
two-time National Player of theYear in Zach Eadie, so one of
the better, he's probably in thetop.
He's at least in the top 50 ofcollege basketball players of
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all time, just with hisaccolades.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Oh yeah, he's like a
walking 30-15, 30-20.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
He had 40 against
Tennessee.
Yeah, if Tennessee just hadanybody else besides Dalton
Connect that could make a shot,they would have won that game.
But yeah, if they could beatPurdue and get to the title game
and then beat UConn, a teamthat's looking to repeat, a team
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that is, you could argue, islooking to make a statement as
one of the best teams in collegebasketball the last two years.
The fact that they've coveredevery spread, that they've just
blown teams out on the way toback-to-back Final Fours, won a
title, looking to win anotherone.
If they could beat them, Ithink this may be top 83.
It's going to be hard, though Idon't see it.
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I don't know.
Does anyone think UNC State hasa chance?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
It's hard to look at
their team and then Purdue and
say that they have a chance.
But I didn't think they had achance against UNC in the ACC
tournament.
I didn't think they had achance against Duke in the
quarters.
I didn't think they had achance against Duke just now.
So I don't know what they'regoing to do for Edie, but
they're playing good basketball.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, they have a
couple bodies to throw at Edie.
You know the Burns that's goingto be an interesting matchup
because they're completelydifferent players.
But Diarra is really good.
He's had a great tournament.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
He's been grabbing
like 16 rebounds a game, 14
rebounds a game recently.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
He ain't going to do
that against Edie, but he will
at least be a force up againsthim.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I don't know.
I think they could cover.
I feel like if this is going tobe a tough one for Purdue to do
this back-to-back but Tennesseealmost won because they decided
not to double Edie in thebeginning so that they didn't
have the three-point shots, Thenthey weren't really making any
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of them.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So, Purdue.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
If Lawyer and Braden
Smith cannot shoot that well,
gillis too, I guess.
I think they would have achance.
Edie would obviously have 50,but you can still win if Edie
has 50.
Probably there's a situationthere.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, what's tough
about Edie is he is a good foul
shooter too, so even forcing himto go to the line doesn't
really do you too much, becausehe's going to knock them down
and plus you're losing guys leftand right getting in foul
trouble.
That's what I'm worried aboutwith NC State is getting DJ
Burns picks up two early foulsand then he's sitting, which
he's known to do for sure.
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Yeah for sure.
With Purdue I do worry a littlebit of the Monkees, kind of off
the back they made it to theFinal Four.
Can they do what Virginia didand take it one step further,
like if you go back in thatVirginia-Auburn game they needed
a miracle to beat Auburn.
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It was.
I mean you could make a caseLike there were some bad calls
there.
You kind of worry about that alittle bit with Purdue.
Here is do they, you know, facethe moment actually take it one
step further, get to the titlegame?
Because for years I mean it'sjust get to a Final Four, like
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Matt Painter never been Likebeen knocking on the door with
good teams, always get knockedout early.
Here they are.
Is it enough for them, or arethey really looking for that
title to get at least to Mondaynight?
Because NC State I mean they'replaying with house money.
They've been playing with housemoney for weeks.
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They have no fear.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah.
With that being said, I'mhammering Purdue.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah With all that
being said, I think they've
covered every game, haven't they?
I mean, they destroyed UtahState.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Them and UConn.
I guess, besides Tennessee, buthas pretty much run through the
whole bracket.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, collision
course for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So why did?
Why was NC State Just so midThroughout the year?
Did they have injuries or theyhad New guys coming in?
They just weren't familiar.
Why did they suck and then justget good where they had new
guys coming in, they justweren't familiar.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Why did they suck and
then just get good?
They've kind of strapped up ondefense a little bit more.
Ej Horn, I think, missed sometime in the middle of the season
.
He's their best player.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, I mean they've
really just been a hot and cold
team all year.
They're notorious for havingwin streaks and then go on a
losing skid.
I mean they had three-gamelosing streak, four-game losing
streak.
Right now they're on theincredible nine-game win streak.
They're on the incrediblenine-game win streak.
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They're on the last three weeks.
But yeah, they've just beeninconsistent and they're finally
putting it together.
I mean that's kind of whatcollege basketball is is can you
play your best ball at theright time, can you be up for
the moment?
And they're a deep enough team.
They have enough scoring.
Their guard play has beenincredible.
Horn's been awesome.
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O'connell's been great atshooting the three.
I mean they've been staying hotand then on the interior like
we talked about, dr grabs boardsand DJ Burns is great at the
post Like they're a really toughmatchup for a lot of teams
because they can play versatileand they play really well in the
half court, which in thetournament.
That's why we were skepticalabout Alabama.
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They play fast.
They need to be hitting theirshots.
If Alabama goes cold it's hardfor them to adjust and luckily
they've stayed pretty relativelywell shooting the ball.
So with NC State they're morebalanced and that's kind of been
the best thing for them.
They got down against Duke butthey stayed in their game and
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they battled back in the secondhalf when Duke started going
cold and not making shots.
They've been there, they've hadthe formula.
I think we were all wrong aboutthe ACC.
All year Everybody was down onthe ACC, thought the ACC was a
garbage conference because Miamiwas a returning Final Four team
with most of their players backand they were terrible and it
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really looked like NorthCarolina and Duke were the only
two good teams in the conferenceand then they end up with four
teams in the Elite Eight Happensevery year.
They just don't have a goodread on the conference.
Because it's hard to tell incollege basketball, because you
get your non-conference out ofthe way in the first two months
when no one's paying attention,and then you play three months
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of conference play when you'rejust beating up on the same
teams and you're trying to, youknow, judge teams based on what
they did, you know, three monthsago in the non-conference.
That's hard to do.
It's hard to figure out whichteams are good against teams
that aren't in the sameconference as them.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Is it kind of like
soccer in the Champions League?
When they play, they're playingteams from all over Europe, all
different styles of football.
Is that part of collegebasketball March Madness,
playing other teams and otherconferences that play
differently than your ownconference Is that a thing, or
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does everyone kind of just havetheir own style based on their
coach and players?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, I don't know if
it's by conference.
I think that's more in collegefootball.
Like when you get to bowlseason, it's like Big Ten versus
Pac-12, you know which.
Now that's all going to changenext year.
When you got like all theconference realignment going on,
it's just, I mean, because yourdifferent coaches play
different ways, like so youcould have similar teams in each
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conference.
I think it's more about justseeing the same teams each night
in and night out and gettingthat familiarity.
Then you go to the tournamentand it's just matchups and
you're playing a whole differentteam.
You haven't seen you find outwho you played two days before.
If you advance over the weekend, it's so much about momentum at
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that point and being playingyour best ball.
Like Clemson just got hot inthe tournament, like they just
turned it on, they startedrolling.
Yeah, I mean it's kind of alittle bit of both.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
So do we all have
Purdue?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, I want to see
Purdue versus UConn.
I think Purdue and UConn tocover I think all season those
have been the two teamsHouston's been there but
Unfortunately they had theinjury.
It's a Single eliminationtournament.
You have one bad break, likeHouston's had so many of them, I
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mean gosh.
You look at the last few yearsand they've had some great teams
that just can't catch a break,can't either go cold or lose a
player run into a buzzsaw of ateam.
It's been tough for them.
I think these have been the twobest teams all year, which is
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rare in a tournament Mosttournaments you count Gloucester
you get a bunch of random teamsin the Final Four.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, I mean I'll be
stunned if it's not Purdue-UConn
on Monday.
That just seems like what theywant.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, I just want two
good games on Saturday.
To be honest, I want highscoring.
Hopefully there's no inflategate.
I don't know if you guys havebeen following that.
They've been juicing the balls.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I saw something about
that.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, what was it
about so?
So basically they were trackingthe games at term, certain
tournament sites saying thatthey inflated the over, inflated
the balls, so like boston wasone of them, um, dallas, and if
you go and you look at some ofthe the moments in the game,
like when the ball is inflatedthe ball travels farther, so
like if they took a shot, likeit would go over it would, it
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would bounce off the bat, itwould be way off, like it wasn't
normal shooting.
And then dribbling, yeah, likedribble, the ball would bounce
too high and you'd have likethese weird turnovers.
So scoring was really down inthose games.
Like you, the unders werehitting and you know, of course
you kind of didn't really phasethem.
But yeah, just those smallthings, like just the balls
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being played, it's like you know, I don't understand about the
ncaa how they can't fix thisstuff up, especially like the
referee, and how inconsistent itis from game to game.
And you look at the women'stournament, I mean heck, they
couldn't even get thethree-point line drawn correctly
.
They were literally playinggames where one half of the
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court had a closer three-pointline than the other half.
I mean it was like how doesthis even happen and they played
like five full games on thatcourt.
Right yeah, until someone up inthe stands in like the 200
levels up top, took a pictureand sent it down to somebody.
Yeah, he's like look at this.
I mean, anybody can see it.
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I don't understand.
I mean, if you want to takewomen's sports seriously, let's
at least get the court right.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, it's a bad look
.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, and what's
funny is the teams that shot on
the three-point line that wascloser actually shot worse.
I guess it was just becausethey didn't know the perception,
they weren't used to thatdistance or something.
But yeah, there's weird stufflike that in March, madness.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Anybody have any
futures out, any futures that
are still alive.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Duke ruined it.
Was that the only one you had,Chris?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I have one.
As far as a bigger few, I did acouple big ones with UConn.
I mean I say big ones are like$1 for a bunch of things to
happen, but starting with UConn,yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Unfortunately, I had
a lot with Kentucky winning the
title.
In fact I had parlays.
That was the last leg, so Iwould have won close to $ grand
on a parlay.
I had like a 50 free bet and II had the chiefs at 10 to 1,
with kentucky at like 21 or 22to 1, so that would have been
fun.
The one that's probably thebest, yeah, the one that's the
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best.
I played when I was in NewOrleans Back in February.
I had the Chiefs and I hadPurdue.
I got them at 7-1 back then.
So the Chiefs won the SuperBowl.
I had them at like plus 200,purdue at 7-1.
And then the next one is theHurricanes Carolina Hurricanes.
Now, I haven't been haulinghockey at all.
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Are they even good?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Oh, they're legit.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Do they have a legit
chance?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
yeah, they grabbed a
couple uh guys at the deadline
too okay, all right, so that'sthe next leg.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I had them at 10 to 1
and then the last leg this wins
11 000.
If it hits, uh, on a threedollar bet, is the lakers to
make the finals?
I don't think that's going tohappen because the Lakers are
like playing and they're like inthe play-in game, and so that
was kind of like they were at 18to one.
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Then I think they're now atlike 30 to one or something Like
I thought maybe they could pullit together.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
So that was the
regular season.
Regular season doesn't matter,right?
I mean, you get hot in theplaying game, maybe, maybe we
can do it.
This is LeBron's last dance too.
Potentially, potentially.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
See what's weird is
Bronny, though I thought was
going to the NBA, no doubt, no,he's coming to Florida.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
He's going to be in
the draft.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But now he's in the
portal.
Why is he in the portal?
Does he actually want to playcollege basketball?
I thought he just wanted to goto the league.
Maybe he's not that good?
Well, no, he isn't that good.
That's the point.
Any team that would have takenhim in the draft is just doing
it for LeBron.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Hasn't LeBron been
saying for the past 5-10 years I
can stay as long as I want tountil I can play with my son.
And now that people arefiguring out that LeBron James'
kid isn't exactly a top threehigh school recruit, now
LeBron's all of a sudden like oh, I mean, I can't play forever.
It's going to be coming soon.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I can't play forever.
It's going to be coming soon.
Yeah, yeah, I think it was alittle awkward there when people
were well.
The thing with Brawny, though,is he had the health condition
so he like collapsed his firstweek at USC at practice and
missed a significant amount oftime.
Actually, he was lucky enoughto come back and play during the
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season, forgot about that, sothat was a big reason why he
didn't play as well this year.
But yeah, he hasn't been thatgood.
I don't know.
I don't know.
So we'll see.
I mean, the NBA, it's acrapshoot.
I mean there's really not muchto preview for the playoffs
there.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I think it's just a
whole different season when the
playoffs start.
I was only looking forward towatching the Clippers if Duke
were to somehow magically havewon.
But I don't know anything aboutthe Clippers.
I did like the Florida PanthersFuture in that a little bit,
but I think Florida's going toget bounced in the first round
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Just me.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, do we want to
transition to a little bit of
Million dollar parlay talk?
Talk about maybe what futureswe like Going forward.
Yeah, I think if we all had topick right now, we're all on
UConn, right.
Yeah, maybe confidently, I'dsay like 70% confident In UConn
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Going back to back.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I really just don't
think that Alabama can give
UConn that much of a problem.
Maybe they'll like win thefirst half, maybe I can see that
, but I Maybe they'll win thefirst half, maybe I could see
that.
But I think they'll wear themdown on offense and they'll get
good enough stops in the secondhalf and then them and Purdue.
I don't know, but I'm leaningUConn, but I don't really know
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for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, I'm afraid that
Alabama they're not careful,
they could get run out of thegym against UConn, because UConn
they have been able to destroyteams even when they don't play
very well, like you could watchthem play and they could, you
know, have some stretches wherethey don't really score well,
they're not hitting their shots,they're turning it over, and
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then you look up and they'relike they're up by 15.
It's just crazy how dominantthey are at controlling the game
.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I watched a 12-minute
video last night about UConn's
offense and how they have somany even 20-something second
sets that just eat up the wholeshot clock.
But they're going to get abasket at some point during that
because somebody's going to beopen underneath the bucket by
himself, but they just off-ballscreen you to death.
They'll switch up sets to.
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This guy set a pick last setbut he's actually going to spin
off that and cut.
So like I don't think alabamais going to be able to stick
with with plays like that.
No, I don't think they'redisciplined enough on defense.
They're going to get so manylike a clinging is going to get
so many like wide open dunks.
I'm sure hairband is going toget like wide open cuts to the
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basket for easy layups.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
The thing is that UConn has theability to play fast too, and
so when Alabama tries to get outand run with them, they'll be
able to catch them on theirheels and take advantage.
They're not going to fall privyto that.
They're not going to let Bamajust pull up and transition hit
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these.
I mean Bama could knock themdown, but UConn's not worried
about that because they can playthat way.
Yeah, and they'll also wearthem down too, like what you're
saying, they'll run thehalf-court sets.
I mean, uconn is the closest toa pro team is what we've got in
college right now.
They are running a really highlevel.
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In fact, this Indiana State teamthat's playing the NIT, they
run a pretty high level offensetoo, just some really clean sets
with some back screens and youknow just really good ball
movement and that's kind that'skind of been the separating
factor between these, betweencollege basketball.
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Now, with this you're enteringlike a new age here where you
can get these transfer portalguys who are just called good
college basketball players.
That maybe aren't going to begreat pros, but I'll stick
around and they're experiencedand they know the game and they
can play like a very advancedlevel of offense and actually
run some some high level setsand and play good defense and
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understand how to recognizescreens and picks and and and
pick up on different you knowtendencies and different players
and take advantage of that.
And that's honestly, if just totouch on Kentucky for a little
bit, that's why I feel likethere we have no shot, because
Calipari for the longest timewas let's get the best players
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on the court and then we'll seewho can beat us Like.
We're going to have the besttalent, we're going to roll the
ball out there and my guy'sgoing to be your guy and that's
just not how college basketballis being played now, because
you're not getting enough ofthose guys coming in as freshmen
that could take on someonethat's three, four years older
than them who's been playinghigh-level college basketball.
(30:32):
Compared to what this playerout of high school and AAU has
been playing for the last youknow four or five years, it's
just a totally different game.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
So we're saturated
with talent now.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, no, really.
I mean, it's good for collegebasketball, yeah, and that
you're getting guys that want tostay and develop Still late
$700,000 with an IL, so theydon't have to leave.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
hundred thousand
dollars with an IL, so they
don't have to leave if theydon't want to.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Right.
And when you're Kentucky andyou're just recruiting the best
prospect, well that thatprospect doesn't have enough
time to develop into a goodplayer.
Develop into a good player.
And so when you get to Marchand you're playing against a
team that's scheming against you, that knows how the how you're
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playing because you run thebasic, you know triple drive
offense you've been running forthe last decade plus and they
know how to beat you.
And when you're not scoutingand scheming against what
they're doing, you're, you haveno chance because you're just
relying on your talent and thatdoesn't work.
Like UConn has come up with theperfect formula of balancing
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transfers plus a couple of highlevel freshmen.
And you know these guys thatstick around for a couple of
years to to have the continuityand they're able to to put it
all together and they're thebest built program right now.
I mean, it's really them andeverybody else.
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I don't think in Kansas waskind of there, but Kansas they
didn't really the whole.
You know, hunter Dickinsonexperiment didn't really work
out for him this year Cause theyweren't deep enough.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Yeah, I mean, it
literally takes Sorry, it
literally takes Purdue to havesomebody who is 7'4 to even
approach them, and even still,we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, yeah.
And then you got a team likePurdue and you just have like a
generational like athleticspecimen and Edie, who I credit
to Edie, like that guy has putin the work.
That kid was nowhere near astalented and skilled as he is
now.
When he got to Purdue, like Iremember the first couple years
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he was there and it was just Imean he couldn't, he was a can.
It was just I mean he couldn't.
He was like can't miss guy,like he.
As soon as he steps in the courtit's like Holy cow, this guy's
just nasty.
He was just a goofball though,but he was, yeah, he was awkward
, he wasn't coordinated, didn'treally have much to his game
other than that little hook thathe would 50% of the time.
Now he is like perfected it tothe point where he's got his
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moves.
He knows what to go to, heknows the positions, the spots,
the floor he wants to hit andhe's great the free throw line,
you know he's, he's.
He's become a great shop lockertoo, like he's timed it well so
he doesn't get fouls, like thatwas the earliest career he
would quickly.
Yeah, so credit to him.
I mean he's.
They've built a team around him.
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I mean it's not fun to watch,like it's.
It's literally just be like,hey, let's stick this seven foot
four guy in the center andsurround him with some shooters,
but it works.
I mean, we'll see.
We'll see if it could take downUConn.
Aren't they technically thebest three-point shooting team
(34:06):
in the country?
I think so.
Purdue yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
So you guys had
mentioned talent earlier.
So who in the Final Four, ifit's not the same person?
Who's the most NBA-ready playerright now and who's going to
have the best NBA career?
The same person, or is that twodifferent?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
people.
You're talking about the teamsin the Final Four.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
The Final Four teams
yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Who's?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
the most NBA-ready
guy.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Guess who's the best
three-point shooting team in the
country this year?
Alabama, it's Kentucky.
I didn't mean it?
Like that.
I didn't know, but Purdue'snumber two at 40.6.
They're just 0.3 percentagepoints behind them, but yeah,
damn Crazy, too bad, we couldn'thit 40% of our threes against
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Oakland.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Isn't.
That isn't Castle.
Isn't he supposed to be like asuper high pick, that kid from
UConn?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
So him and Klingon
has come out of nowhere really,
Like he's developed into likethis high-level draft prospect.
He's only a sophomore.
Yeah, they would be the top twofor sure.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I like Castle a lot.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, no, he's good.
He's 6'6", plays the point andthe shooting guard.
He could score pretty muchanywhere on the court.
I think, yeah, I think he'sprobably the best player.
That's a pro, like the best NBAtalent left in the tournament
right now, cause I don't think Imean, I mean they have care
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band, he's, he's good on, and soit's Tristan Newton.
I mean you can't, you can't.
I mean and Cam Spencer.
I mean they probably have fiveguys that could play pro ball.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
They probably won't
all be drafted.
Cam Spencer's awesome.
Yeah, I don't know if Caravan'san NBA guy, but he's such an
elite player on that.
Yeah, yeah.
Stephen Castle Stephon.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Castle, I don't know
how to pronounce it.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, the mock drafts
they have.
Who's Alexander?
Saar Alexandra.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
So that's who we were
talking about earlier.
That's Olivier Saar's brother.
Olivier Saar was a player thatwas at Wake Forest, transferred
to Kentucky.
He's in the NBA.
He's kind of bounced around alittle bit, but that's his
brother.
He's 7'1".
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Is he from France?
In France.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
No, he's playing in.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Australia right now.
He's from France.
Yeah, he's from France, though.
Rob Dillingham, number two.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, man, rob's
electric Rob with the shifts
Dilly dilly Pro comparison.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Darius Garland, I
know who that is.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Is he still in the
Cavs?
I think he's in the Cavs still.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
I think so yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, he's all right.
I think Dillingham couldprobably be better than See.
The problem with Dillingham ishe doesn't play defense at all,
like just we lost I meanhonestly the Oakland game.
He kind of cost us with hisdefense, like he forgets and
leaves his guy.
It's just so annoying.
But he's got some crazyoffensive upside, though I have
(37:39):
a question.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
How does this work?
Because it shows the third.
It says the third pick rightnow would be Ron Holland, out of
the G League.
So how?
How do you get to the G Leaguewithout being drafted?
Do you just sign up like a freeagent if you're 17 or 18 or
whatever, so it's like the.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Gatorade Ignite
league it up like a free agent
if you're 17 or 18 or whatever.
So it's like the GatoradeIgnite League.
It's like a supplement leaguefor players that want to play
amateur ball and get low-levelcontracts and not go to college
and just go there for a year.
It's actually just collapsed,so it's not going to exist much
longer.
I think this might be the lastyear.
It's actually just collapsed,so it's not going to exist much
(38:22):
longer.
I think this might be the lastyear.
It's not the D-League, it's notlike the developmental league.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
According to this,
the number one player coming out
of the Final Four is thatKlingon guy going five to
Portland.
Five Damn Wow Pro comparisonJacob.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Poul.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Who's that?
Poul Jacob P.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, so the NBA is
shutting down the G League
Ignite program.
That program's going to so theylaunched it in 2020.
It's only been around for a fewyears and it's I guess it is
associated with the G League.
Basically.
These players could like go andplay and have like pros,
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coaching and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Wasn't this started
kind of around the same time
that Lamello went to Australiafor a year instead of going to
college?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Lithuania.
Remember they went to Lithuaniawhen he pulled out.
He told the ball brothers rightwhen he pulled him out of UCLA
after he stole money over.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I know yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
He went to Lithuania.
Why did I think he went toAustralia?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
There's a couple of
guys that went to Australia.
Australia's got some decentprospects coming out of there,
so I got a question for y'all.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, it says it's
got Reed Shepard going six and
then the guy from UConn Castlegoing seven.
You put Reed Shepard overCastle.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, Reed's going to
be a good pro.
He is.
I don't know he's not afranchise guy.
I don't think any, Honestly,this draft is so weak.
I don't know, Like he's not afranchise guy, I don't think any
, honestly, this draft is soweak.
I don't know if you're going tofind any franchise guys that's
like going to, you know,completely change your team's
trajectory.
I think there's a lot of goodrole players and I think Reid's
one of those guys who's Be likea JJ.
(40:33):
Reddick.
I don't like the JJ Riddickcomparisons but yeah, I kind of
get it.
He's more of a shooter.
He's more than just a shooter.
Dude can get to the basket.
It's really his defense and hiscourt vision, his defense.
When I say defense, it's likehis hands, his blocking shots.
He's got to work on hisman-to-man guarding defense, but
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he's really crafty.
He's just got really good courtpresence.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Passing IQ, yeah,
heel and tie level Slashing to
the basket.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Good offensive
awareness, Offensive awareness
96.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Before this year, no
one thought he was going to be
in the NBA after one year.
It's pretty incredible whathe's been able to do.
Who's Kirk Heinrich?
He was a player for Kansas, Ithink.
No.
They lost the title.
They lost to Kamala Anthony inSyracuse that year but he played
(41:37):
for the Bulls for a while.
That's who they're comparinghim to yeah.
So yeah, someone like that,Like a guy that could be in the
league for a long time.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
I'm pretty sure,
isn't he in the Warriors front
office?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Heinrich Kirk,
heinrich, he might be Strike
that for the record.
Yeah, he last played in 2016.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
He retired a long
time ago.
Nba all-defensive second teamin 2007.
Yeah, it was number 10 jersey.
He's retired at Kansas Wow.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
No, he was a great
player at Kansas.
Yeah, yeah, I don't think he'swith the Warriors Corey.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I think he's just
like oh, it's Dunleavy, never
mind, mike.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Dunleavy.
Yeah, mike Dunleavy, I rememberhim yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Common mistake oh wow
, he's a 99-03.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I didn't realize it
was that long ago.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
It's so funny to see
the pictures of the players that
played in the early 2000s withthe super long basketball shorts
, when that was a thing yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
The picture of him on
Wikipedia from 2008.
Yeah, it's as long as.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
It's like past their
knees, that dude from St
Bonaventure, the legendarypicture, it's like touching his
ankles.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Alright, two locks
for the parlay.
It's like touching his ankles.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
All right, two locks
for the parlay.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
What do you think
Just put in Purdue UConn
national championship matchup?
Speaker 3 (43:11):
South Carolina and
Iowa National championship
matchup.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Honestly, I threw a
little bit in a parlay just with
the two Ucons, so it's happeneda couple times If you go back.
The last time it happened was2004.
Uconn men's Uconn women's wonthe title the same year, 2014
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men's and women's.
Now we're at 2024.
It's been 10 years.
Maybe we could get UConn menand women's.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, even number 10.
Nice even number there.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yep, I think you get
UConn women at like 8-1 right
now to win the title.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Let's see.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
That would be a good
game between them and Iowa.
I have them at plus 800 on thehard rock with the title Yep
South Carolina is minus 200.
Yeah, south Carolina, man,they're really good.
I mean, they're undefeated.
They're only a spot on theseason when they were in
(44:24):
jeopardy of losing.
Was that SEC tournament game?
I think it was the championshipgame against Tennessee, when
they just didn't guard thethree-point shooter?
No, I think it was thesemifinals.
Yeah, they just didn't guardher.
They literally were inboundingthe ball down two with like 1.2
(44:44):
seconds left.
They throw it into that girlthat hasn't ever made a three in
her career.
She banked one in to win thegame.
Oh yeah, I remember that, andthen Tennessee ended up firing
their coach.
I was just going to say that Ithought I remember that, and
then Tennessee ended up firingtheir coach.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
I was just going to
say that I thought I saw that
the other day.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, she almost beat
South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Old world.
So do we want to do like aMarch Madness winner, NBA Finals
winner, NHL playoff winner?
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, or you've been
looking at Masters, getting an
idea of who you're leaning on.
I don't know if we want to putthat in the parlay, because I
mean gosh.
I've never won a golf bet.
It's so hard.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I did it, I think,
when Brooks won.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, you had when
Brooks won the PGA Championship
last year in the US Open.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
He won the PGA.
I think the US Open was.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Wait, was it last
year that Brooks choked in the
Masters?
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, I mean he was
hanging around, yeah.
I mean he was hanging around,yeah, because I got him at like
plus 4850 or something when hewon.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I only put five bucks
on it.
Yes, I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Corey, you can give a
couple guys.
You like man City to win the FACup.
Lock.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
FA Cup or Champions
League.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Well, FA Cup is a
lock, Champions League I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
I think they're the
favorite for Champions League
too, right.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, because they're
in the semifinals for FA Cup.
They're going against Chelseaand I think United is on the
other end playing Coventry orsomething, so United's in the
final.
So it's going to be ChelseaUnited, which we saw that win
today.
Shout out Chelsea, dude.
That was incredible.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
I think we're going
to see City.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
United.
I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I can't believe you
guys were all like, oh, this
game's going to suck.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I mean, I feel like
the last one was the same way.
I just expected 1-1, maybe 2-2,but I expected a draw for sure.
That would have been.
Imagine betting on a draw thereand they hit that final penalty
and you're like, oh yeah, I hitit.
There we go.
And then Chelsea scores 45seconds later.
(47:18):
Yep, great redirect byMcTominay.
It was a very high IQ move.
Well, we're at 50 now.
We want to do themillion-dollar parlay offline.
Then Just figure out twoDepends on how much we want to
(47:38):
do the million dollar parlayoffline.
Then Just figure out twoDepends on how much we want to.
If we're going for a million,we're going to have to throw in
the masters yeah, we're going tohave to come up with.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Let's do it on the
text chain.
Give a couple options, playaround with it.
One of us come up with theparlay.
Get the numbers right.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Okay, yep, what we
can do.
I have someone pick two or pickthree.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Harry, in order to
have him do we just have a 10
like part of my network?
Yeah, sounds good.
Very hairy bets with his brain,not his heart, so you got to
get it right, right.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Did you see that
Harry bet you kind of win?
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
He said Did you see
that Harry bet Yukon to win?
That's crazy.
He's a genius.
That's why I kind of want Yukonto lose, because it would be so
funny.
Harry put 50 bucks back, 50bucks down them to win the title
and they lose.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
I wonder if he put
any money on St Mary's.
Did he put money on St?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Mary's yeah, he put a
little bit.
I think he put like 10 bucks orsomething.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Before in the trust
tree I tailed him.
I felt horrible.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
I know I felt I put
$5 on him too, yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yeah, I'm like oh,
let's see.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah, dude, I was
doing pretty good.
I thought my final fourprediction was going to be
pretty close until UNC lost,because Illinois kind of shocked
me.
I was like damn, illinois ismaking a pretty good run.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I know, I know, until
that second half, they look
good.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Also trust tree when
anyone has mentioned Terrence
Shannon Jr and I nodded alongand I was like, yeah, he's great
.
I thought he was completelyanother person.
I thought he was the Hawkinsguy, spencer Hawkins, or
whatever that guy's name is.
I thought that was Terry Jr.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Until the last game
they lost.
He's good too.
He's an NBA guy, right.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Hawkins yeah, he'll
probably be an NBA guy.
Yeah, I like him.
Yep, I gotta hop off.
I'll let you guys know we're onbaby watch.
Next week is the week, so let'sgo yeah, I guess we'll see you.
We'll see you in a little bityeah, if you guys never want to
part of a podcast when I'm up atlike 3 in the morning because
(49:50):
I'll probably get no sleep for amonth yeah, that'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I actually have to
get my wisdom teeth taken out in
two weeks, so that's gonna befun.
I actually have to get mywisdom teeth taken out in two
weeks, so that's gonna be fun.
I'm gonna be MIA for.
I forgot you never did thatlet's record right after just do
a live pod after.
That'd be funny.
Yeah, I'm not looking forwardto it because they told me for
(50:16):
the longest time oh you're good,but now it's not good.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
So, yeah, I'm not
looking forward to it because
they told me for the longesttime oh you're good, but now
it's not good.
So damn, that does suck.
Well, all right.
Best of luck, bros All right,we'll see you on the other side.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Good luck, keep us,
keep us apprised of details, and
I guess that does it for us.
Thanks for tuning in, folks.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Way go big blue, even
though we suck now, koki.