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Dan Benedict (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of Spray Foam
Mafia's Toolbox Talks on Safetyfor the Spray Foam Industry.
I'm Dan Benedict, spray FoamArizona, jeremiah Schoenberg,
upc, and this one is the HFOspecial.
Welcome to 2025.
Yes, I did that math right.
You did right, you did 2024plus one is 2025.
(00:22):
What math are you doing?
I'm trying to realize.
Jeremiah (00:25):
So yes, it's 2025.
Dan Benedict (00:27):
So now, new year, new you.
You're now tech support numberone for HFOs.
Jeremiah (00:34):
I'm not, no, I think all of us are.
All of us have been trying toplan for this for many years.
We knew it was coming and, likewe've talked before, it's this
isn't the first time thisindustry has gone through this.
You know this is lost count.
You know how many times blowingagents change in the time I've
been doing this and it's like Isaid before, it's the same every
time.
It's it's not a bad thing, it'sa change and you know change is
(00:57):
different and you have to learnto accept it, especially now
because, like I said, we're notgoing back.
They're not going to be like oh, we made a mistake, let's go
back to HFCs.
That's probably not going tohappen, Right?
So it's here and you've got tolearn how to process properly,
how to take care of theseproducts.
It is a little different, ittakes a little bit more, but
they're really good products.
(01:17):
Like I said, they spray reallygreat.
Do they spray like HFCs?
No, they don't, but they're notHFCs, so that's pretty
accessible right, kind of likewhy they don't.
Yes, we've talked at longlengths with a lot of people.
We've gone out and donetrainings prior to this change.
Unfortunately, we can't get toeverybody, but now I know this
(01:39):
first part of the year there's alot of people requesting guys
to come out and really just do aquick training with HFOs to
make sure their guys are good.
And I tell everyone I've beentelling everyone for a little
while you know a lot of thethings you can do with HFCs you
can't do with HFOs.
There's a little bit morewiggle room with HFCs when it
comes to the blends, you know,winter, summer, immediate things
(02:01):
like that for roofing, and eventhe winter and summer blends of
the interior foams.
It's, it's a little bitdifferent.
You have to understand theprocessing a little bit more.
Yep, but once you get there,it's like riding a bike, you
know, you figure it out and thenyou're off and, like you said,
it's, it's not scary.
No, it's different.
You have to pay attention moreto substrate temperatures,
(02:23):
barrel temperatures, moisturecontent.
All those things lifts waittimes.
Once again, you know, I think alot of guys through the last
couple of years have gotten alittle spoiled with no wait
times.
Yeah, we're going back to, youknow recommending wait times and
lifts, because we know it's alittle different.
We want the product to performand do everything we need to for
our customers and, in turn,their customers.
Dan Benedict (02:51):
So it's like these things you have to pay
attention to, right?
Um, in general, this is justanother opportunity for an
industry that is already, youknow, probably the best industry
to benefit the environment.
Whether you are a believer inthe global warming initiative or
you're anti the global warminginitiative, our whole purpose is
energy conservation, yeah, andso now we have a product with a
(03:13):
different blowing agent thatjust reiterates that.
Jeremiah (03:17):
Well, and then you talk about you know the climate
and everything else.
You know it's a low GWP product.
You know?
And those who don't know, lowGWP is low global warming
potential.
Yeah, that's a good thing.
Dan Benedict (03:29):
It is a good thing .
Jeremiah (03:30):
That live in the earth.
Dan Benedict (03:32):
Yes, you know yeah .
Jeremiah (03:33):
And like it is.
We're going for energyefficiency, we're going for
differences that you know, help,you know, the customer and the
end user and things like that.
And the HFOs do do that.
Yes, but once again, you knowwe are a skilled trade to
produce those things for our endusers.
But, be it, you know, thehomeowner, or for the
manufacturer, the contractor,there's things that you change
(03:55):
right, like I said, withprocessing and things like that,
to get the same result and theproduct that you want.
So it's, it's not.
Once again, it's know, payattention, you know.
If you don't, if you havequestions, I tell everyone
there's a lot of manufacturershave been very good about coming
out with stuff for theirproducts.
You know that.
You know a lot.
I've been done hfo trainings.
There's a lot of literaturecoming out and for the most part
(04:18):
, everyone is trying to hey,guys, it's, it's not a big jump,
but it's a little jump you haveto pay attention to right.
Don't blindly just, oh, let'sgo, you know, grab a truckload
of HFO and we're going to be offto the races.
Look, it's better that you getyour tech or you get someone out
there to freaking, show you thedifferences and things that are
going on so you can get theproduct you want and you don't
(04:40):
get frustrated.
Because, like you know, dan, we, just not too long ago, we we
had an hfo of a regular blend,yeah, and the substrate was 10
degrees below the recommendedminimum.
Right, it wasn't, it wouldn'twork, it was not working, it was
not working.
And the friable, the friablearound friability around the
(05:01):
edges, the adhesion failure,like it, simply would not work.
Right, it's not supposed to.
Dan Benedict (05:07):
We were outside the parameters.
Outside the parameters.
Jeremiah (05:10):
And I think that's really, I think that's the
biggest difference is there'snot as much overlap with the
product.
You have more of a finite line,which is a good thing.
You don't want to be able to goover that line.
You don't want failures.
You don't want to be able to goover that line.
You don't want failures.
You don't want these things.
We've seen a few over the lastcouple years where guys you know
they get the hfo or they builda job with hfos, that they're
(05:32):
used to hfcs and they haveissues.
Um, like anything else, we doask questions, go to the
trainings, ask your buildingscience experts, ask your
consultants, ask the questionsprior, because you don't want to
go out there blindly, gunsablaze and thinks it literally
guns ablaze and thinking thatit's going to be all right.
(05:52):
You know there is a lot ofthings that go into this and we
are a skilled trade.
Let's act like it.
Right, we're not, yeah.
Dan Benedict (06:00):
Well, and we can talk about how this really isn't
that new of a product.
No, there's been statesrequired to spray HFOs for
several years now, and so theproducts have been out there.
California, I think, colorado,new York, I'm not sure who all
else but Pennsylvania, yeah.
Jeremiah (06:21):
A lot of states have been doing this for many, many
years.
Yeah, a lot of states have beendoing this for many, many years
and there's been a lot ofroofing products that have been
primarily low GWP products formany years.
Swd, general coatings, They'veall had HFOs in the roofing side
for many, many years and alsothe interior side, you know,
have been out for a long, longtime.
This isn't just an out ofnowhere kind of change, like
(06:48):
manufacturers and contractorshave had their hands on these
products for a long time, right.
So there is a lot ofcontractors, a lot of people you
can reach out to friends,coworkers, once again, techs and
manufacturers, building scienceexperts yeah, everyone is out
there trying to support the bestpossible outcome of this change
.
And if you're not askingquestions and you're there
trying to support the bestpossible outcome of this change,
and if you're not askingquestions and you're not trying
(07:09):
to make sure that you're dottingyour I's and crossing your T's,
then you should be.
We've got like I said.
It just happened.
I know a lot of guys are goingto have piled up with HFCs to
make sure they can get a littlebit of wiggle room Right In six
months, it's gone.
It's gone.
You know, if you know December31st, manufacturer date, is only
(07:30):
going to last six months, rightCome this summertime.
Everyone is not going to have achoice, even if they somehow
have some left in six months.
But I doubt that.
Dan Benedict (07:40):
That will be expired foam yes.
Jeremiah (07:42):
Yes, and most guys are going to go through it.
If they stockpile the nextcouple months, they're going to
be out of their loads, sothey're going to be going to
HFOs.
Dan Benedict (07:50):
So from a guy that has sprayed HFOs and had really
good luck with them, I will saybefore you get to a major
season change, get your hands onit and just start.
Go buy four or five sets of itor two sets, or, if you're a
little guy, buy one set and justcall somebody up, get a little
(08:14):
help, don't wait till summertime.
Jeremiah (08:16):
You know right now, I know it's cooler in a lot of
locations.
You know even springtime wouldbe beneficial.
Wait till it warms up just alittle bit If you don't want to
make that jump when it'sfreezing.
I get that.
I understand it's colder thansnot and a lot of it's snowing
in places that it shouldn't besnowing right now.
But it is right.
(08:36):
Us as techs completelyunderstand guys not wanting to
make that jump definitely yeahbut once it starts to warm up,
you're right, grab a set, youknow, go spray it.
Have the tech come out, gospray it.
Um, don't you know?
I know, if you know, if youhave two truckloads of HFCs and
you've got months that youshould have, like you said,
grabbed a couple sets to giveyour guys the opportunity to
mess with it before they don'thave the opportunity, before
(08:59):
they're like hey, man, here'sthe HFO, we can't buy anything
else.
You've got to figure it out now.
Yeah, good luck.
Trial by fire?
I know, and I was going to saythat I know we use that term a
lot.
Yes, but I don't think in thiscase this is one of those trial
by fires things you want to havehappen.
You want your guys to get theirhands on it before.
There's no choice in the matter, because you know it's better
(09:20):
to be asking those questionsbefore you have all HFOs Right,
because then you can kind offigure it out, spray it here,
spray it there, do some smalljobs instead of you're having to
do every job through the weekwith this new product.
But yeah, I mean, they do sprayreally nice, they do.
Dan Benedict (09:36):
They are, they do, they spray really nice.
And you know, the other daybecause I, you know back a few
weeks ago, just said forget it,we're just not buying HFC
anymore, we're just going to goHFO.
It just doesn't change ourlives that much because we've
already sprayed some of it.
We've probably sprayed a dozensets of it before.
And so Katie was halfwaythrough a job and had to switch
(10:02):
and the rig had a set of HFC,set HFO.
She pumped out the HFC,switched over the HFO.
At the end of the day I wastalking to her and she was
showing me pictures of the joband it looks pretty good she
goes.
Man, as soon as we switchedthat, the lift was entirely
different.
It was pure white.
She's like this stuff wasawesome and I'm like all right,
(10:22):
well tough, you better like it.
I'm glad you do, because yougot no other choice at this
point going forward.
Jeremiah (10:28):
Yeah, well, that's what we're moving forward with
and she's right Like it is.
And I think a lot of thedifference too is, like you know
, it's kind of a startup withthe product, right.
I mean, I think with HFOs itlikes, it likes the heat, it
likes the beginning buildup,right.
So when you're spraying it likeHFCscs, you can and you can
start going, yeah, and it takesoff.
(10:50):
Hfos guys are going to noticethat it's going to take a second
for it to kick.
Yeah, um, you're spraying apattern, especially in the lower
ends of the spectrum of theambient temperatures.
You're going to be, you'regoing to be waiting right a
little bit longer for just thatcream time to turn to where you
start to move.
Yeah, I think that's thebiggest difference, is that, and
(11:12):
that's really important Acouple of sprays, you start
moving, you let that cream timechange and then you can start to
move, and I think that's alittle bit slower than the HFCs,
but you get used to that firstlittle movement and then it
moves really nice.
Dan Benedict (11:26):
Yeah, and once you get that first wave built, yeah
, you're back to the exact samething you've always done with
your hfc and just ride that waveall the way through your pass
yeah, and it is once you.
Jeremiah (11:36):
It is easier to keep it once you get it.
But I know I know guys, they'llstart.
You know they'll start movingright away and it's not, it's
not going to kick up.
Yeah, like an hfc you're goingto want to build it and get that
heat and get that cream timewhere you want it, and then you
can start moving up the cavityor the truss line or whatever
you're spraying or the metalbuilding or whatever else.
But I think that's the biggestthing is getting it, that
(11:58):
initial startup, and getting itmoving, and then you can really
get off to the races.
Dan Benedict (12:04):
And we sprayed six sets of it last summer.
Right in the middle of July wewere up towards the north end of
Phoenix.
It was probably one of those113, 115-degree days, A real
pleasant time of year to bespraying foam in a big metal
building and things were goinggreat until I lost an air
(12:24):
conditioner and one of the rigswe had up there in the air
conditioner just flat took adump on us.
Jeremiah (12:32):
Now is a bad time for some guys to be having to make
that change and I think that'swhy a lot of guys smartly bought
HFCs and stockpile a little bit, because they knew this would
be a weird time.
It's cold, it's snowing, yeah,you know, to train guys to
change into a product, yeah,it's a difficult situation
sometimes, right?
So I know a lot of guyspre-planned not not to stockpile
(12:54):
, but they knew this was a thetiming was not the best for some
of their guys to make thischange and that, thankfully, a
lot of guys you know made thoseplans.
But, like I said, comespringtime you're gonna have a
lot of guys transitioning right,because that's what they have
to do and you know those of usin the warmer southern climates.
Dan Benedict (13:12):
Perfect time right now yeah, because the product's
available everywhere.
The rest of the world is notoverloaded trying to learn the
stuff.
Yeah, and we're at our besttemperatures of the year to try
something different.
Yeah, I mean now's, when youcan have the most relaxed day to
try something different.
Yeah, in 90 days from now, wewill not be having the same
conversation.
Jeremiah (13:32):
No, this is when everyone leaves our state and
everyone thinks we're crazy forliving here and you know, 90
days is going to start to warmup and then, once again, we're
going to be going the otherdirection.
We're going to be trying tokeep it cool down and calm, to
be able to teach guys to spray,and that's not what we want.
We want to be able to trainguys to do this and ask
questions in an optimalcondition, right Summertime in
(13:55):
Arizona.
Summertime in a lot of placesis not an optimal condition,
exactly.
And HFO, like I said, onceagain, we talk about storage
parameters.
You know we have an 80 degreeFahrenheit top end.
Yeah, if it's 110 degreesoutside, are we going to be able
to?
Probably not.
A lot of guys don't have AC andthat's what we've been
recommending.
I'm going to sidebar rabbithole for a second, dan, but
(14:18):
there's a reason that we, thelast six months to a year, have
been highly recommending ACunits and heating systems in
these rigs.
If you've got it and youhaven't looked at it, you should
probably fix it.
Yeah, because you want thatlittle booth that you spray in
to maintain the most averagetemperature you possibly can
right now.
Yeah, that barrel.
Not only do you want to keepthe barrel safe, but then in
(14:42):
turn, you keep your guys, giveyour guys a good area to relax
or take their breaks in whenthey can cool off or heat up if
they have to, and I think that'sa big thing is that's why we've
been recommending that.
It's like, look guys, you haveto put more thought into that
little space now.
Yeah, is it heated.
Dan Benedict (14:58):
Is it cooled, do you?
Jeremiah (14:58):
have insulation in the floor right?
Most guys don't.
Most guys don't spray theundercarriage.
A lot do, but some don't.
Yeah, and that's where you yougain a lot of cold.
You gain a lot of heat, um,from radiant heat coming off the
ground or, you know, coldcoming off the ground, same
thing as the.
Are the walls and the roof?
Are they insulated right?
I think that's going to becomemore important and thankfully, a
lot of rig rig buildersnowadays mostly insulate
everything on that rig becausethey know they've got to help
(15:20):
control that, they've got tosell a premium product, to do a
specialty job, and I think thoselittle things are going to
become more and more important.
Guys will start asking, hey,does that include the AC?
Does that include the heat?
Does that include theinsulation?
Heat, does that include theinsulation?
I think those questions aregoing to become more important
when guys are, you know,upgrading rigs or building new
rigs, hot plates, all theselittle things that you know.
(15:42):
Guys in the midwest, minnesota,michigan, you know those areas
where a lot of guys have, youknow, you know, drop like
walking cooler flaps and allthat stuff and they create those
spaces.
Yeah, I think we're going tosee more and more of that all
across the country because guyswill start to realize the better
I can make that little space,yeah, the easier my time on the
gun is going to be right.
If I can control that, I cancontrol it in the house.
(16:05):
If I can't control this, pullingthat trigger is going to piss
me off nine times out of tenexactly and I hope, I hope all
this training and all this stuffwe try to do as manufacturers
you know UPC Ambit.
Everyone has seriously tried totell guys like, hey, start
planning these little things,listen to us.
Like we just want you to beable to produce the product and
(16:27):
not get frustrated at the end ofthe gun.
Right, you're pulling thattrigger should be.
Look, we enjoy pulling thetrigger.
Dan Benedict (16:33):
Yeah, exactly.
Jeremiah (16:34):
When you're hitting that froth and riding the wave,
I freaking love it.
Yes, if it's freaking, you knowif you're having issues, it's a
frustrating day and we don'twant a frustrating day, no,
that's right.
So I think all those littlethings you know that have been
options in the past now willbecome more prevalent on every
rig.
Dan Benedict (16:52):
To make sure guys have an easy time with this, to
make sure guys have an easy timewith this and I will tell you
from experience that you can putmini split heat pumps you know
heat and cool capabilities on arig for less money than you can
put an RV air conditioner on top, and they do a lot better job.
And I put one.
(17:13):
I put a I think it was a 1200BTU unit on one trailer the one
that failed, you know.
We put that on there andrunning it pulls like six amps.
Yeah, I mean, it's not likeit's taxing my generator more.
It's not costing me bukus anddiesel.
No, but good night, it'scompletely different inside that
trailer.
Jeremiah (17:34):
Yeah, now you're around.
Yeah, thankfully it's not like10 years ago, where split
systems were kind of a different, more expensive option.
You go to Amazon right now andwe can get a heating cooling
split for $500.
Dan Benedict (17:46):
Is it going?
Jeremiah (17:46):
to last 10 years?
No, it's not Right, but is itgoing to last five and keep that
?
Yes, it is Exactly, andthankfully it's very, very
reasonable to do these kind ofthings.
Dan Benedict (17:55):
And the ROI on that is like weeks.
Jeremiah (17:58):
Yeah, how much time do you spend heating and cooling
in the morning to get started?
If you do these things, youwalk on the rig, everything's
where you want it.
Power.
You prep, you get in there, youstart spraying right away.
The labor savings on the properpreparation is invaluable.
Of course there's dollar signs.
Dan Benedict (18:17):
There is?
Yes, it is.
Jeremiah (18:18):
I mean like invaluable as a frustration from
pulling the trigger more thananything else.
Exactly, and the time it takesto get going instead of just
getting to the job site startingeverything up rigs, great, it's
heat, everything's good and wecan go Right Exactly.
Dan Benedict (18:35):
So, anyway, I think we've probably circled
around with everything we needto on the new HFO product, I
think.
So Get it, try it.
You're going to like it.
It's going to be good stuff.
Jeremiah (18:51):
The other thing you look at the R-values of the new
HFOs too, dan, we're not in the.
I know that some are higher,some are lower.
Two down right.
We're not in the.
You know, I know that some.
You know some are higher, someare lower.
But look, we're seven, yeah,seven per inch and above now,
and that takes also.
That takes proper preparation.
You can't go out there and spraysuper cold and expect the
product to perform it's.
(19:12):
Not only is it, you know thehfo is good for the environment
and they are great to spray, butthere's also other additives,
when it comes to specs and howmuch you have to install, that
are also the added benefit ofthese new systems.
Right, Instead of you know.
You know, back in the day, six,six and a half per inch, you
got seven to eight per inch nowand that's a really good thing
for the contract, because youknow it cuts back on how much
(19:34):
you install.
Right, we, because you know itcuts back on how much you
install.
Right, we want to sell a goodproduct, we don't.
Yes, would it be great to havea.
You know some guys say oh, youknow, you want to sell more foam
.
I was like yes, but no, right,like we want to sell more of a
superior product.
Right, and that's what we'retrying to do with.
This is, you know, we had tomake this change and A lot of us
feel, you know, it is asuperior product once you get
(19:56):
your feet wet, so to speak.
Dan Benedict (19:57):
Right, so yeah, yep exactly One thing I will
recommend to everybody is it's anew product.
You need a new SDS on your rigfor it.
Yes, just carry it with you,have it, read it, know it, put
it in your binder, keep it there, and TDS is also with all your
parameters and guidelines.
Jeremiah (20:16):
Yeah, it's going to change.
Deploying it changes.
A lot changes.
You know, the processing guidechanges.
What we do put down what we askyou to do Once again, it all
changes.
So you should again do yourhomework before you get to
school, exactly.
Dan Benedict (20:29):
Yes, and you'll be all right.
Jeremiah (20:31):
Yeah, and do not be afraid to call or ask for help.
Dan Benedict (20:36):
There's guys who've been spraying this
truckload after truckload foryears.
For some guys they're justlooking over their shoulder like
huh, I'm there, no biggie.
And once we switch, it's nobiggie.
It never was.
Jeremiah (20:52):
It's not a big jump, it's just a jump that we have to
make.
Yep.
Dan Benedict (21:02):
And anyway.
So I guess, coming back aroundon that stuff, start now getting
trained, plan it out.
I mean you don't have to getthe train right now if it's not
the right time of season for you, but put a plan together, call
your tech guy while he'll stillanswer your phone, because in
march they may not have timeyeah, we're, I'm gonna say like
we're definitely gonna be busy.
Jeremiah (21:21):
There's a lot of customers have been asking.
They've requested training.
They're trying to prepare theirguys the best way they can.
And you know upc and it's notalone.
I'm sure every manufacturer mybuddies with you know what other
companies like quadrant andfreaking you know, you know
Inverge and all these they'reall equally busy right now.
Yeah, every manufacturer hasterritories that didn't have
(21:42):
HFOs so widely spread, theyweren't regulated or they
weren't required any, you know,so they didn't have to use them.
And now every manufacturer istrying to support a customer
base in the same way, right, andthere's a lot of you guys.
Same way, right, and there's alot of you guys.
Thankfully, we've grown so muchin the last little bit, in the
last many years, that there'sonly so many texts to go around.
(22:03):
So if you guys need assistance,if you have questions, reach
out, schedule, schedule atraining so you guys can get
someone from the manufacturerout there that can help you with
any questions you have and anyspeed bumps you might see,
because it's not.
Dan Benedict (22:19):
And if you get in a spot you know over the next
few weeks where it's all you gotto do, it's, your only option
is to take it, get on and askfor some help.
Email us.
I'll tell you three or fourguys that I know that have been
spraying it for years.
Jeremiah (22:36):
Everyone wants to help Contractor tech.
It doesn't matter.
We all have to deal with thisand I don't think there's not
one person that's gonna notanswer a question, whether it's
on spray from worldwide orfacebook or a phone call, right?
Or, like you said, you givesome guys some numbers, we're
all gonna be hey man, what doyou, what do you got, what do
you need?
Right, because we all have todeal with it the same way.
(22:58):
It doesn't matter who it is orwhat product you're using.
We're all dealing with this.
Dan Benedict (23:03):
Not one sprayer or manufacturer is not having to
deal with this, right exactly soand, like I said, there's a ton
of people that have sprayedmultiple truckloads of it
already and, like I said, if, if, something happens, hundreds of
thousands of board feet of HFOshave been installed.
Jeremiah (23:21):
Find a good subject matter expert and ask questions
Exactly.
There's a lot of help out therefor you and when you spray it,
you'll look back and go.
Dan Benedict (23:28):
I don't know what the problem was.
That stuff's all right.
Jeremiah (23:30):
It's changed, dan, it's changed, and we, as humans,
we don't like change.
Dan Benedict (23:34):
That's exactly right.
Jeremiah (23:36):
We get comfortable, we get into the groove and want
to stay there, and this is justanother thing that we have to
work for work around.
Dan Benedict (23:42):
There you go.
That's exactly right.
Any other call to action you'dtell everybody on this stuff.
Jeremiah (23:48):
Not too much.
Do your homework.
Like I said, it's a new product.
I mean, anytime you're learningsomething, you go and you learn
about it.
You're going to ride amotorcycle.
You take that test instead ofthe driving test for a car.
It's a different product, it'sa different mentality.
Just do your homework, look atthe guides, get the training,
take everything you can beforeyou freaking pull the trigger.
(24:10):
Exactly, that's exactly right.
Dan Benedict (24:13):
Now better news Daytona's coming up.
It is coming up, you're going,I am going Alright, cool.
So now better news Daytona'scoming up.
It is coming up, you're going,I am going All right, yeah, cool
, yeah, yeah, we're going to bethere.
I think Kristen's getting abunch of t-shirts made up for
our loyal listeners.
Jeremiah (24:24):
Yeah, heck, you could lie to us and tell us you're a
loyal listener.
All right, we'll probably giveyou a t-shirt.
They're nice shirts spray foam,mafia logo and everything on
them.
Yeah, and there's, and there'sanother reason like in in a
month, we're all going to be indaytona.
(24:45):
You're going to have literallyevery manufacturer, every tech,
every building science expert.
They're coming together to buy,sell, talk, learn, present, you
know, have a presentation, dothings down there so that once
again and we're all there, askquestions we're doing
certifications for installers,master install installers,
roofing interior Again, afantastic opportunity to learn
and help yourself down there.
So, if you can go, go, becauseit's so good to go down there,
(25:08):
like I said, I just saw so manyguys going down there, so many
opportunities of greatpresentations from all sorts of
people.
Look, have the conversation.
You guys.
I always tell everyone look,it's not just a good
conversation.
Sometimes you get in heavydiscussion, sometimes you get in
arguments.
Right, it all comes down to howto learn.
Sometimes they just godifferent ways.
(25:29):
Yeah, come down, learn, grow,get certified.
Yeah.
Dan Benedict (25:33):
Yeah, meet a bunch of people, enjoy yourself, have
a good time, maybe win a rig ortwo, maybe win a reactor.
Jeremiah (25:40):
There's a lot of great reasons to go down there,
and learning and networking isone of them.
Dan Benedict (25:44):
And those Spray Foam Worldwide parties are a
hell of a lot of fun.
They are a lot of fun.
Jeremiah (25:51):
I mean, that is the place to be.
It's like a high school reunion, but I like everybody, exactly
right.
You know, you go after 10 yearsand I go down.
Okay, I like a handful of thesepeople, but every time I go, no
matter whether once again, dan,whether I've had an argument or
a discussion, or just a heateddiscussion with someone, it
doesn't matter, I want to go seeeveryone down there.
Dan Benedict (26:13):
It doesn't matter, because everyone has a good
point of view, an opinion thatyou might want to hear, and it's
a good time, yeah, andeverybody's there for like a
couple of reasons Meet people,enjoy their time, try to win
something cool yeah, and that'sthe common goal amongst
everybody at that party, so it'sa great time to be there.
Jeremiah (26:32):
Yeah, and we have the spray foam competition again
this year and that's going to begreat.
I know jack and chas and allthose guys and chris like they
have put on a great competitionand again this year we're
pushing forward to try and makeit even better and give even
more things and more good peoplein there.
So it's like again there is alot of opportunity to go have
fun.
Yes, there's a lot ofopportunity to learn and network
(26:54):
.
No matter what you want want todo down there, it's worth the
time.
Right, it really is, yeahexactly.
Dan Benedict (26:59):
And, like I said, every time we've gone to an
event like that, we come homewith five or six different
people Like they were cool ashell, and we still talk to those
people now, I mean like on aregular basis from those things.
So, yeah, it's dang sure worthit.
We're looking forward.
We, we're looking forward.
(27:22):
We're dragging Katie down therethis time so that way she can
just keep growing her career alittle bit.
And yeah, like I said, kristen'sgoing to have a pile of
T-shirts and we'd love to hearfrom you and let us know what
you think of the podcast andgive us any ideas of what we can
do to make it better or talkabout other topics that matter
to you.
So cool, awesome, all right.
Well, I think that's a wrap forthis one.
Uh, again, we're on same oldall the social media stuff and
(27:46):
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Gmailcom is our email if youneed to get a hold of us.
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And uh, like I said, like andfollow us on all your favorite
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get exposed to it there you go.
Welcome back to another episode of Spray Foam
Mafia's Toolbox Talks on Safetyfor the Spray Foam Industry.
I'm Dan Benedict, spray FoamArizona, jeremiah Schoenberg,
upc, and this one is the HFOspecial.
Welcome to 2025.
Yes, I did that math right.
You did right, you did 2024plus one is 2025.
(00:22):
What math are you doing?
I'm trying to realize.
Jeremiah (00:25):
So yes, it's 2025.
Dan Benedict (00:27):
So now, new year, new you.
You're now tech support numberone for HFOs.
Jeremiah (00:34):
I'm not, no, I think all of us are.
All of us have been trying toplan for this for many years.
We knew it was coming and, likewe've talked before, it's this
isn't the first time thisindustry has gone through this.
You know this is lost count.
You know how many times blowingagents change in the time I've
been doing this and it's like Isaid before, it's the same every
time.
It's it's not a bad thing, it'sa change and you know change is
(00:57):
different and you have to learnto accept it, especially now
because, like I said, we're notgoing back.
They're not going to be like oh, we made a mistake, let's go
back to HFCs.
That's probably not going tohappen, Right?
So it's here and you've got tolearn how to process properly,
how to take care of theseproducts.
It is a little different, ittakes a little bit more, but
they're really good products.
(01:17):
Like I said, they spray reallygreat.
Do they spray like HFCs?
No, they don't, but they're notHFCs, so that's pretty
accessible right, kind of likewhy they don't.
Yes, we've talked at longlengths with a lot of people.
We've gone out and donetrainings prior to this change.
Unfortunately, we can't get toeverybody, but now I know this
(01:39):
first part of the year there's alot of people requesting guys
to come out and really just do aquick training with HFOs to
make sure their guys are good.
And I tell everyone I've beentelling everyone for a little
while you know a lot of thethings you can do with HFCs you
can't do with HFOs.
There's a little bit morewiggle room with HFCs when it
comes to the blends, you know,winter, summer, immediate things
(02:01):
like that for roofing, and eventhe winter and summer blends of
the interior foams.
It's, it's a little bitdifferent.
You have to understand theprocessing a little bit more.
Yep, but once you get there,it's like riding a bike, you
know, you figure it out and thenyou're off and, like you said,
it's, it's not scary.
No, it's different.
You have to pay attention moreto substrate temperatures,
(02:23):
barrel temperatures, moisturecontent.
All those things lifts waittimes.
Once again, you know, I think alot of guys through the last
couple of years have gotten alittle spoiled with no wait
times.
Yeah, we're going back to, youknow recommending wait times and
lifts, because we know it's alittle different.
We want the product to performand do everything we need to for
our customers and, in turn,their customers.
Dan Benedict (02:51):
So it's like these things you have to pay
attention to, right?
Um, in general, this is justanother opportunity for an
industry that is already, youknow, probably the best industry
to benefit the environment.
Whether you are a believer inthe global warming initiative or
you're anti the global warminginitiative, our whole purpose is
energy conservation, yeah, andso now we have a product with a
(03:13):
different blowing agent thatjust reiterates that.
Jeremiah (03:17):
Well, and then you talk about you know the climate
and everything else.
You know it's a low GWP product.
You know?
And those who don't know, lowGWP is low global warming
potential.
Yeah, that's a good thing.
Dan Benedict (03:29):
It is a good thing .
Jeremiah (03:30):
That live in the earth.
Dan Benedict (03:32):
Yes, you know yeah .
Jeremiah (03:33):
And like it is.
We're going for energyefficiency, we're going for
differences that you know, help,you know, the customer and the
end user and things like that.
And the HFOs do do that.
Yes, but once again, you knowwe are a skilled trade to
produce those things for our endusers.
But, be it, you know, thehomeowner, or for the
manufacturer, the contractor,there's things that you change
(03:55):
right, like I said, withprocessing and things like that,
to get the same result and theproduct that you want.
So it's, it's not.
Once again, it's know, payattention, you know.
If you don't, if you havequestions, I tell everyone
there's a lot of manufacturershave been very good about coming
out with stuff for theirproducts.
You know that.
You know a lot.
I've been done hfo trainings.
There's a lot of literaturecoming out and for the most part
(04:18):
, everyone is trying to hey,guys, it's, it's not a big jump,
but it's a little jump you haveto pay attention to right.
Don't blindly just, oh, let'sgo, you know, grab a truckload
of HFO and we're going to be offto the races.
Look, it's better that you getyour tech or you get someone out
there to freaking, show you thedifferences and things that are
going on so you can get theproduct you want and you don't
(04:40):
get frustrated.
Because, like you know, dan, we, just not too long ago, we we
had an hfo of a regular blend,yeah, and the substrate was 10
degrees below the recommendedminimum.
Right, it wasn't, it wouldn'twork, it was not working, it was
not working.
And the friable, the friablearound friability around the
(05:01):
edges, the adhesion failure,like it, simply would not work.
Right, it's not supposed to.
Dan Benedict (05:07):
We were outside the parameters.
Outside the parameters.
Jeremiah (05:10):
And I think that's really, I think that's the
biggest difference is there'snot as much overlap with the
product.
You have more of a finite line,which is a good thing.
You don't want to be able to goover that line.
You don't want failures.
You don't want to be able to goover that line.
You don't want failures.
You don't want these things.
We've seen a few over the lastcouple years where guys you know
they get the hfo or they builda job with hfos, that they're
(05:32):
used to hfcs and they haveissues.
Um, like anything else, we doask questions, go to the
trainings, ask your buildingscience experts, ask your
consultants, ask the questionsprior, because you don't want to
go out there blindly, gunsablaze and thinks it literally
guns ablaze and thinking thatit's going to be all right.
(05:52):
You know there is a lot ofthings that go into this and we
are a skilled trade.
Let's act like it.
Right, we're not, yeah.
Dan Benedict (06:00):
Well, and we can talk about how this really isn't
that new of a product.
No, there's been statesrequired to spray HFOs for
several years now, and so theproducts have been out there.
California, I think, colorado,new York, I'm not sure who all
else but Pennsylvania, yeah.
Jeremiah (06:21):
A lot of states have been doing this for many, many
years.
Yeah, a lot of states have beendoing this for many, many years
and there's been a lot ofroofing products that have been
primarily low GWP products formany years.
Swd, general coatings, They'veall had HFOs in the roofing side
for many, many years and alsothe interior side, you know,
have been out for a long, longtime.
This isn't just an out ofnowhere kind of change, like
(06:48):
manufacturers and contractorshave had their hands on these
products for a long time, right.
So there is a lot ofcontractors, a lot of people you
can reach out to friends,coworkers, once again, techs and
manufacturers, building scienceexperts yeah, everyone is out
there trying to support the bestpossible outcome of this change
.
And if you're not askingquestions and you're there
trying to support the bestpossible outcome of this change,
and if you're not askingquestions and you're not trying
(07:09):
to make sure that you're dottingyour I's and crossing your T's,
then you should be.
We've got like I said.
It just happened.
I know a lot of guys are goingto have piled up with HFCs to
make sure they can get a littlebit of wiggle room Right In six
months, it's gone.
It's gone.
You know, if you know December31st, manufacturer date, is only
(07:30):
going to last six months, rightCome this summertime.
Everyone is not going to have achoice, even if they somehow
have some left in six months.
But I doubt that.
Dan Benedict (07:40):
That will be expired foam yes.
Jeremiah (07:42):
Yes, and most guys are going to go through it.
If they stockpile the nextcouple months, they're going to
be out of their loads, sothey're going to be going to
HFOs.
Dan Benedict (07:50):
So from a guy that has sprayed HFOs and had really
good luck with them, I will saybefore you get to a major
season change, get your hands onit and just start.
Go buy four or five sets of itor two sets, or, if you're a
little guy, buy one set and justcall somebody up, get a little
(08:14):
help, don't wait till summertime.
Jeremiah (08:16):
You know right now, I know it's cooler in a lot of
locations.
You know even springtime wouldbe beneficial.
Wait till it warms up just alittle bit If you don't want to
make that jump when it'sfreezing.
I get that.
I understand it's colder thansnot and a lot of it's snowing
in places that it shouldn't besnowing right now.
But it is right.
(08:36):
Us as techs completelyunderstand guys not wanting to
make that jump definitely yeahbut once it starts to warm up,
you're right, grab a set, youknow, go spray it.
Have the tech come out, gospray it.
Um, don't you know?
I know, if you know, if youhave two truckloads of HFCs and
you've got months that youshould have, like you said,
grabbed a couple sets to giveyour guys the opportunity to
mess with it before they don'thave the opportunity, before
(08:59):
they're like hey, man, here'sthe HFO, we can't buy anything
else.
You've got to figure it out now.
Yeah, good luck.
Trial by fire?
I know, and I was going to saythat I know we use that term a
lot.
Yes, but I don't think in thiscase this is one of those trial
by fires things you want to havehappen.
You want your guys to get theirhands on it before.
There's no choice in the matter, because you know it's better
(09:20):
to be asking those questionsbefore you have all HFOs Right,
because then you can kind offigure it out, spray it here,
spray it there, do some smalljobs instead of you're having to
do every job through the weekwith this new product.
But yeah, I mean, they do sprayreally nice, they do.
Dan Benedict (09:36):
They are, they do, they spray really nice.
And you know, the other daybecause I, you know back a few
weeks ago, just said forget it,we're just not buying HFC
anymore, we're just going to goHFO.
It just doesn't change ourlives that much because we've
already sprayed some of it.
We've probably sprayed a dozensets of it before.
And so Katie was halfwaythrough a job and had to switch
(10:02):
and the rig had a set of HFC,set HFO.
She pumped out the HFC,switched over the HFO.
At the end of the day I wastalking to her and she was
showing me pictures of the joband it looks pretty good she
goes.
Man, as soon as we switchedthat, the lift was entirely
different.
It was pure white.
She's like this stuff wasawesome and I'm like all right,
(10:22):
well tough, you better like it.
I'm glad you do, because yougot no other choice at this
point going forward.
Jeremiah (10:28):
Yeah, well, that's what we're moving forward with
and she's right Like it is.
And I think a lot of thedifference too is, like you know
, it's kind of a startup withthe product, right.
I mean, I think with HFOs itlikes, it likes the heat, it
likes the beginning buildup,right.
So when you're spraying it likeHFCscs, you can and you can
start going, yeah, and it takesoff.
(10:50):
Hfos guys are going to noticethat it's going to take a second
for it to kick.
Yeah, um, you're spraying apattern, especially in the lower
ends of the spectrum of theambient temperatures.
You're going to be, you'regoing to be waiting right a
little bit longer for just thatcream time to turn to where you
start to move.
Yeah, I think that's thebiggest difference, is that, and
(11:12):
that's really important Acouple of sprays, you start
moving, you let that cream timechange and then you can start to
move, and I think that's alittle bit slower than the HFCs,
but you get used to that firstlittle movement and then it
moves really nice.
Dan Benedict (11:26):
Yeah, and once you get that first wave built, yeah
, you're back to the exact samething you've always done with
your hfc and just ride that waveall the way through your pass
yeah, and it is once you.
Jeremiah (11:36):
It is easier to keep it once you get it.
But I know I know guys, they'llstart.
You know they'll start movingright away and it's not, it's
not going to kick up.
Yeah, like an hfc you're goingto want to build it and get that
heat and get that cream timewhere you want it, and then you
can start moving up the cavityor the truss line or whatever
you're spraying or the metalbuilding or whatever else.
But I think that's the biggestthing is getting it, that
(11:58):
initial startup, and getting itmoving, and then you can really
get off to the races.
Dan Benedict (12:04):
And we sprayed six sets of it last summer.
Right in the middle of July wewere up towards the north end of
Phoenix.
It was probably one of those113, 115-degree days, A real
pleasant time of year to bespraying foam in a big metal
building and things were goinggreat until I lost an air
(12:24):
conditioner and one of the rigswe had up there in the air
conditioner just flat took adump on us.
Jeremiah (12:32):
Now is a bad time for some guys to be having to make
that change and I think that'swhy a lot of guys smartly bought
HFCs and stockpile a little bit, because they knew this would
be a weird time.
It's cold, it's snowing, yeah,you know, to train guys to
change into a product, yeah,it's a difficult situation
sometimes, right?
So I know a lot of guyspre-planned not not to stockpile
(12:54):
, but they knew this was a thetiming was not the best for some
of their guys to make thischange and that, thankfully, a
lot of guys you know made thoseplans.
But, like I said, comespringtime you're gonna have a
lot of guys transitioning right,because that's what they have
to do and you know those of usin the warmer southern climates.
Dan Benedict (13:12):
Perfect time right now yeah, because the product's
available everywhere.
The rest of the world is notoverloaded trying to learn the
stuff.
Yeah, and we're at our besttemperatures of the year to try
something different.
Yeah, I mean now's, when youcan have the most relaxed day to
try something different.
Yeah, in 90 days from now, wewill not be having the same
conversation.
Jeremiah (13:32):
No, this is when everyone leaves our state and
everyone thinks we're crazy forliving here and you know, 90
days is going to start to warmup and then, once again, we're
going to be going the otherdirection.
We're going to be trying tokeep it cool down and calm, to
be able to teach guys to spray,and that's not what we want.
We want to be able to trainguys to do this and ask
questions in an optimalcondition, right Summertime in
(13:55):
Arizona.
Summertime in a lot of placesis not an optimal condition,
exactly.
And HFO, like I said, onceagain, we talk about storage
parameters.
You know we have an 80 degreeFahrenheit top end.
Yeah, if it's 110 degreesoutside, are we going to be able
to?
Probably not.
A lot of guys don't have AC andthat's what we've been
recommending.
I'm going to sidebar rabbithole for a second, dan, but
(14:18):
there's a reason that we, thelast six months to a year, have
been highly recommending ACunits and heating systems in
these rigs.
If you've got it and youhaven't looked at it, you should
probably fix it.
Yeah, because you want thatlittle booth that you spray in
to maintain the most averagetemperature you possibly can
right now.
Yeah, that barrel.
Not only do you want to keepthe barrel safe, but then in
(14:42):
turn, you keep your guys, giveyour guys a good area to relax
or take their breaks in whenthey can cool off or heat up if
they have to, and I think that'sa big thing is that's why we've
been recommending that.
It's like, look guys, you haveto put more thought into that
little space now.
Yeah, is it heated.
Dan Benedict (14:58):
Is it cooled, do you?
Jeremiah (14:58):
have insulation in the floor right?
Most guys don't.
Most guys don't spray theundercarriage.
A lot do, but some don't.
Yeah, and that's where you yougain a lot of cold.
You gain a lot of heat, um,from radiant heat coming off the
ground or, you know, coldcoming off the ground, same
thing as the.
Are the walls and the roof?
Are they insulated right?
I think that's going to becomemore important and thankfully, a
lot of rig rig buildersnowadays mostly insulate
everything on that rig becausethey know they've got to help
(15:20):
control that, they've got tosell a premium product, to do a
specialty job, and I think thoselittle things are going to
become more and more important.
Guys will start asking, hey,does that include the AC?
Does that include the heat?
Does that include theinsulation?
Heat, does that include theinsulation?
I think those questions aregoing to become more important
when guys are, you know,upgrading rigs or building new
rigs, hot plates, all theselittle things that you know.
(15:42):
Guys in the midwest, minnesota,michigan, you know those areas
where a lot of guys have, youknow, you know, drop like
walking cooler flaps and allthat stuff and they create those
spaces.
Yeah, I think we're going tosee more and more of that all
across the country because guyswill start to realize the better
I can make that little space,yeah, the easier my time on the
gun is going to be right.
If I can control that, I cancontrol it in the house.
(16:05):
If I can't control this, pullingthat trigger is going to piss
me off nine times out of tenexactly and I hope, I hope all
this training and all this stuffwe try to do as manufacturers
you know UPC Ambit.
Everyone has seriously tried totell guys like, hey, start
planning these little things,listen to us.
Like we just want you to beable to produce the product and
(16:27):
not get frustrated at the end ofthe gun.
Right, you're pulling thattrigger should be.
Look, we enjoy pulling thetrigger.
Dan Benedict (16:33):
Yeah, exactly.
Jeremiah (16:34):
When you're hitting that froth and riding the wave,
I freaking love it.
Yes, if it's freaking, you knowif you're having issues, it's a
frustrating day and we don'twant a frustrating day, no,
that's right.
So I think all those littlethings you know that have been
options in the past now willbecome more prevalent on every
rig.
Dan Benedict (16:52):
To make sure guys have an easy time with this, to
make sure guys have an easy timewith this and I will tell you
from experience that you can putmini split heat pumps you know
heat and cool capabilities on arig for less money than you can
put an RV air conditioner on top, and they do a lot better job.
And I put one.
(17:13):
I put a I think it was a 1200BTU unit on one trailer the one
that failed, you know.
We put that on there andrunning it pulls like six amps.
Yeah, I mean, it's not likeit's taxing my generator more.
It's not costing me bukus anddiesel.
No, but good night, it'scompletely different inside that
trailer.
Jeremiah (17:34):
Yeah, now you're around.
Yeah, thankfully it's not like10 years ago, where split
systems were kind of a different, more expensive option.
You go to Amazon right now andwe can get a heating cooling
split for $500.
Dan Benedict (17:46):
Is it going?
Jeremiah (17:46):
to last 10 years?
No, it's not Right, but is itgoing to last five and keep that
?
Yes, it is Exactly, andthankfully it's very, very
reasonable to do these kind ofthings.
Dan Benedict (17:55):
And the ROI on that is like weeks.
Jeremiah (17:58):
Yeah, how much time do you spend heating and cooling
in the morning to get started?
If you do these things, youwalk on the rig, everything's
where you want it.
Power.
You prep, you get in there, youstart spraying right away.
The labor savings on the properpreparation is invaluable.
Of course there's dollar signs.
Dan Benedict (18:17):
There is?
Yes, it is.
Jeremiah (18:18):
I mean like invaluable as a frustration from
pulling the trigger more thananything else.
Exactly, and the time it takesto get going instead of just
getting to the job site startingeverything up rigs, great, it's
heat, everything's good and wecan go Right Exactly.
Dan Benedict (18:35):
So, anyway, I think we've probably circled
around with everything we needto on the new HFO product, I
think.
So Get it, try it.
You're going to like it.
It's going to be good stuff.
Jeremiah (18:51):
The other thing you look at the R-values of the new
HFOs too, dan, we're not in the.
I know that some are higher,some are lower.
Two down right.
We're not in the.
You know, I know that some.
You know some are higher, someare lower.
But look, we're seven, yeah,seven per inch and above now,
and that takes also.
That takes proper preparation.
You can't go out there and spraysuper cold and expect the
product to perform it's.
(19:12):
Not only is it, you know thehfo is good for the environment
and they are great to spray, butthere's also other additives,
when it comes to specs and howmuch you have to install, that
are also the added benefit ofthese new systems.
Right, Instead of you know.
You know, back in the day, six,six and a half per inch, you
got seven to eight per inch nowand that's a really good thing
for the contract, because youknow it cuts back on how much
(19:34):
you install.
Right, we, because you know itcuts back on how much you
install.
Right, we want to sell a goodproduct, we don't.
Yes, would it be great to havea.
You know some guys say oh, youknow, you want to sell more foam
.
I was like yes, but no, right,like we want to sell more of a
superior product.
Right, and that's what we'retrying to do with.
This is, you know, we had tomake this change and A lot of us
feel, you know, it is asuperior product once you get
(19:56):
your feet wet, so to speak.
Dan Benedict (19:57):
Right, so yeah, yep exactly One thing I will
recommend to everybody is it's anew product.
You need a new SDS on your rigfor it.
Yes, just carry it with you,have it, read it, know it, put
it in your binder, keep it there, and TDS is also with all your
parameters and guidelines.
Jeremiah (20:16):
Yeah, it's going to change.
Deploying it changes.
A lot changes.
You know, the processing guidechanges.
What we do put down what we askyou to do Once again, it all
changes.
So you should again do yourhomework before you get to
school, exactly.
Dan Benedict (20:29):
Yes, and you'll be all right.
Jeremiah (20:31):
Yeah, and do not be afraid to call or ask for help.
Dan Benedict (20:36):
There's guys who've been spraying this
truckload after truckload foryears.
For some guys they're justlooking over their shoulder like
huh, I'm there, no biggie.
And once we switch, it's nobiggie.
It never was.
Jeremiah (20:52):
It's not a big jump, it's just a jump that we have to
make.
Yep.
Dan Benedict (21:02):
And anyway.
So I guess, coming back aroundon that stuff, start now getting
trained, plan it out.
I mean you don't have to getthe train right now if it's not
the right time of season for you, but put a plan together, call
your tech guy while he'll stillanswer your phone, because in
march they may not have timeyeah, we're, I'm gonna say like
we're definitely gonna be busy.
Jeremiah (21:21):
There's a lot of customers have been asking.
They've requested training.
They're trying to prepare theirguys the best way they can.
And you know upc and it's notalone.
I'm sure every manufacturer mybuddies with you know what other
companies like quadrant andfreaking you know, you know
Inverge and all these they'reall equally busy right now.
Yeah, every manufacturer hasterritories that didn't have
(21:42):
HFOs so widely spread, theyweren't regulated or they
weren't required any, you know,so they didn't have to use them.
And now every manufacturer istrying to support a customer
base in the same way, right, andthere's a lot of you guys.
Same way, right, and there's alot of you guys.
Thankfully, we've grown so muchin the last little bit, in the
last many years, that there'sonly so many texts to go around.
(22:03):
So if you guys need assistance,if you have questions, reach
out, schedule, schedule atraining so you guys can get
someone from the manufacturerout there that can help you with
any questions you have and anyspeed bumps you might see,
because it's not.
Dan Benedict (22:19):
And if you get in a spot you know over the next
few weeks where it's all you gotto do, it's, your only option
is to take it, get on and askfor some help.
Email us.
I'll tell you three or fourguys that I know that have been
spraying it for years.
Jeremiah (22:36):
Everyone wants to help Contractor tech.
It doesn't matter.
We all have to deal with thisand I don't think there's not
one person that's gonna notanswer a question, whether it's
on spray from worldwide orfacebook or a phone call, right?
Or, like you said, you givesome guys some numbers, we're
all gonna be hey man, what doyou, what do you got, what do
you need?
Right, because we all have todeal with it the same way.
(22:58):
It doesn't matter who it is orwhat product you're using.
We're all dealing with this.
Dan Benedict (23:03):
Not one sprayer or manufacturer is not having to
deal with this, right exactly soand, like I said, there's a ton
of people that have sprayedmultiple truckloads of it
already and, like I said, if, if, something happens, hundreds of
thousands of board feet of HFOshave been installed.
Jeremiah (23:21):
Find a good subject matter expert and ask questions
Exactly.
There's a lot of help out therefor you and when you spray it,
you'll look back and go.
Dan Benedict (23:28):
I don't know what the problem was.
That stuff's all right.
Jeremiah (23:30):
It's changed, dan, it's changed, and we, as humans,
we don't like change.
Dan Benedict (23:34):
That's exactly right.
Jeremiah (23:36):
We get comfortable, we get into the groove and want
to stay there, and this is justanother thing that we have to
work for work around.
Dan Benedict (23:42):
There you go.
That's exactly right.
Any other call to action you'dtell everybody on this stuff.
Jeremiah (23:48):
Not too much.
Do your homework.
Like I said, it's a new product.
I mean, anytime you're learningsomething, you go and you learn
about it.
You're going to ride amotorcycle.
You take that test instead ofthe driving test for a car.
It's a different product, it'sa different mentality.
Just do your homework, look atthe guides, get the training,
take everything you can beforeyou freaking pull the trigger.
(24:10):
Exactly, that's exactly right.
Dan Benedict (24:13):
Now better news Daytona's coming up.
It is coming up, you're going,I am going Alright, cool.
So now better news Daytona'scoming up.
It is coming up, you're going,I am going All right, yeah, cool
, yeah, yeah, we're going to bethere.
I think Kristen's getting abunch of t-shirts made up for
our loyal listeners.
Jeremiah (24:24):
Yeah, heck, you could lie to us and tell us you're a
loyal listener.
All right, we'll probably giveyou a t-shirt.
They're nice shirts spray foam,mafia logo and everything on
them.
Yeah, and there's, and there'sanother reason like in in a
month, we're all going to be indaytona.
(24:45):
You're going to have literallyevery manufacturer, every tech,
every building science expert.
They're coming together to buy,sell, talk, learn, present, you
know, have a presentation, dothings down there so that once
again and we're all there, askquestions we're doing
certifications for installers,master install installers,
roofing interior Again, afantastic opportunity to learn
and help yourself down there.
So, if you can go, go, becauseit's so good to go down there,
(25:08):
like I said, I just saw so manyguys going down there, so many
opportunities of greatpresentations from all sorts of
people.
Look, have the conversation.
You guys.
I always tell everyone look,it's not just a good
conversation.
Sometimes you get in heavydiscussion, sometimes you get in
arguments.
Right, it all comes down to howto learn.
Sometimes they just godifferent ways.
(25:29):
Yeah, come down, learn, grow,get certified.
Yeah.
Dan Benedict (25:33):
Yeah, meet a bunch of people, enjoy yourself, have
a good time, maybe win a rig ortwo, maybe win a reactor.
Jeremiah (25:40):
There's a lot of great reasons to go down there,
and learning and networking isone of them.
Dan Benedict (25:44):
And those Spray Foam Worldwide parties are a
hell of a lot of fun.
They are a lot of fun.
Jeremiah (25:51):
I mean, that is the place to be.
It's like a high school reunion, but I like everybody, exactly
right.
You know, you go after 10 yearsand I go down.
Okay, I like a handful of thesepeople, but every time I go, no
matter whether once again, dan,whether I've had an argument or
a discussion, or just a heateddiscussion with someone, it
doesn't matter, I want to go seeeveryone down there.
Dan Benedict (26:13):
It doesn't matter, because everyone has a good
point of view, an opinion thatyou might want to hear, and it's
a good time, yeah, andeverybody's there for like a
couple of reasons Meet people,enjoy their time, try to win
something cool yeah, and that'sthe common goal amongst
everybody at that party, so it'sa great time to be there.
Jeremiah (26:32):
Yeah, and we have the spray foam competition again
this year and that's going to begreat.
I know jack and chas and allthose guys and chris like they
have put on a great competitionand again this year we're
pushing forward to try and makeit even better and give even
more things and more good peoplein there.
So it's like again there is alot of opportunity to go have
fun.
Yes, there's a lot ofopportunity to learn and network
(26:54):
.
No matter what you want want todo down there, it's worth the
time.
Right, it really is, yeahexactly.
Dan Benedict (26:59):
And, like I said, every time we've gone to an
event like that, we come homewith five or six different
people Like they were cool ashell, and we still talk to those
people now, I mean like on aregular basis from those things.
So, yeah, it's dang sure worthit.
We're looking forward.
We, we're looking forward.
(27:22):
We're dragging Katie down therethis time so that way she can
just keep growing her career alittle bit.
And yeah, like I said, kristen'sgoing to have a pile of
T-shirts and we'd love to hearfrom you and let us know what
you think of the podcast andgive us any ideas of what we can
do to make it better or talkabout other topics that matter
to you.
So cool, awesome, all right.
Well, I think that's a wrap forthis one.
Uh, again, we're on same oldall the social media stuff and
(27:46):
spray foam mafia.
Gmailcom is our email if youneed to get a hold of us.
Uh, yeah, the facebook page isout there for you.
And uh, like I said, like andfollow us on all your favorite
platforms so we can keep thisdeal going and more people can
get exposed to it there you go.
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