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Get ready to uncover the critical safety secrets of the spray foam industry with our host, Jeremiah Schoenberg, a seasoned expert with nearly 25 years of experience. Discover how Jeremiah's career took a surprising turn from a gun range in Montana to becoming an industry stalwart and learn about the rewarding yet intense work that shaped his passion of the industry. Alongside, co-host Dan Benedict shares his journey from the cattle industry to owning Spray Foam Arizona showcasing the rich diversity and dedication within our industry.
This episode delves into the heart of safety, discussing the importance of personal protective equipment (PPE) and fostering an open communication culture around safety concerns. We emphasize the need for engaging and practical safety training and reflect on how individual safety practices impact the broader business ecosystem. We also highlight the importance of certifications and training to boost workplace safety and efficiency. Join us to set the stage for future enlightening conversations on equipment, mental health, and industry best practices.
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Dan (00:00):
hey, welcome.
Toolbox talks on safety for thespray foam industry.
This is our inaugural episodeand, as you can see, I'm trying
to hype it up.
I don't know if I can be like amonster truck announcer.
Jeremiah (00:15):
I'll show you the sunday, sunday, sunday, you'll
only need the ads.
Dan (00:20):
Thursday thursday wait, it's friday.
It's friday, so we're cool.
Yeah, it's Friday afternoon,yes, in a lovely air conditioned
office instead of sweating itout yeah, out in the sun, all
right.
So basic introduction to yourhost here.
First off, jeremiah, go ahead,tell us all about yourself, your
background story, your history.
Jeremiah (00:43):
Well, I was born in a small cottage.
No, my name's JeremiahSchoenberg.
I'm a technician for UPC.
I've been in this industry alittle over 20 years.
Almost 25 years Owned my ownrigs, ran companies for guys
everywhere from interior,exterior, roofing, coatings, um
all across the board.
(01:03):
Um I've been with uh upc alittle over six months now.
Um been a tech for about 10years, uh for manufacturers as
well.
And come to you know, findmyself in arizona in this
podcast trying to help guysunderstand the importance of
safety and gets information outto the masses the best way we
can and help each other.
Dan (01:27):
What was your introduction to spray foam and then what got
you hooked to stay in at thistime?
Jeremiah (01:32):
It was a gun range in Montana when my good friend said
, hey, I got some work you cando on the weekends and make some
cash.
And I was using a lot offour-letter words that first day
, right, because it was not aneasy time.
We were spraying you know eightinches of clothes selling a gun
range and definitely was aweird introduction.
But, um, that's how I gotstarted and was doing it on the
(01:53):
weekends with buddies and youknow, to make extra cash Cause I
was doing HVAC um during theweek as a journeyman there
installing and troubleshooting.
And what got me hooked, man, asI tell everyone, if you make it
past a year you're probablynever going to get out, and it
was.
It was a little over a year.
You know me and a buddy were outin Hawaii spraying track homes
day in and day out and it wasjust us, the rig and you know
(02:15):
the beach and that's kind ofwhere I fell in love.
It's just every day.
You know, spraying foam andlearning all this stuff.
And you know, out there withenergy bills, the way they were,
you know it was a big dealbecause they could be $600 to a
thousand dollars for a singlefamily home and we made big
changes to a lot of things outthere and that was kind of where
I got hooked is out there justworking on the, you know, on a
(02:37):
crew, and just doing everythingwe can.
Like I said, it just never gotout of.
It Went from there to projectmanagement and estimation and
things like that and just kindof kept adding to the my toolbox
and, like I said, now I'm luckyenough to be here, so awesome.
Dan (02:53):
Uh, what formal education in the spray foam world have you
had, other than mistake aftermistake after mistake, until you
figure it out it's not formaleducation, no-transcript.
Jeremiah (03:02):
That's the school.
Hard knocks, dan.
Well, I learned from the peoplearound me.
You know I've been very lucky.
Like I said, my good friendjust needed help on the weekends
and next thing I know I'm outin Hawaii and we're spraying
foam seven days a week, 12 hoursa day, nonstop together.
Like I said, I've, you know,been surrounded by good people,
(03:24):
whether it was from you know um,as a superintendent or as a
project manager or you know justknowing good owner operators
and good you know CEOs andpresidents of companies that
take the time to give you theinformation.
Like I said, I've worked for,you know, gentry homes, haas,
insulation.
You know Masco with David Jamesand all those guys.
(03:45):
Like I said, there's bits ofinformation that you take from
these guys that you add to yourown thing and you make it your
own.
And as you grow and evolve inthis industry that's, you know,
kind of how you got to look atit is like you never stop
learning.
You're never good enough totake a second and listen to
someone, whether they have sixmonths of experience or 40 years
of experience.
I've learned bits and pieces ofinformation that have got me
(04:08):
here.
And then, of course, you knowthe support of a great family, a
good partner.
I work.
You know, when I was a tech, Iwas on the road four weeks out
of the month.
Right, you know I'd be home onthe weekends.
You know, come home late Friday, leave first thing Monday.
So the work-life balance andhave a good partner in this
industry is definitely somethingthat's important as well.
(04:29):
You got to know we're workingthis way for a reason, um, and
it's not to keep working, it'sto support our families.
So, yeah, right, tell us aboutyour family.
Um, I have four kids, um 23, 14, 13 and nine three girls and a
boy.
And, yeah, they are the reasonthat I do what I do.
(04:50):
I want them to have all thestuff in life that you know I
didn't have as a good parent.
You want to give them theopportunities and, like I said,
they are the reason I keep doingwhat I'm doing.
So, and yeah, I'm Dan Benedict.
Dan (05:02):
I'm one of your co-hosts.
My wife and I operate SprayFoam Arizona.
We are an independent sprayfoam contractor based in central
Arizona and do it all sprayroofing foam, insulation foam,
open cell, closed cell, you nameit.
If I can make money sprayingfoam, I'm going to spray it.
Started out growing up as a kidin the cattle industry cattle
(05:23):
feed, yard, cotton farms.
If you want to double down ongoing broke, we did it.
Since I was a little kidoperating equipment shoot, if we
could walk we could drive atrack, you know, through lots of
bales of hay fed, lots ofcattle chopped, some rows of
corn, you know.
You know, through that wholelife we always were having to
build things.
Shades got blown over inthunderstorms and microbursts,
(05:46):
corrals had to be rebuilt, feedmills had to be fixed and
maintained and worked on andoverworked and rebuilt all the
time, tractors, trucks you knowthe way things break all the
time.
We just had to have our handsin fixing it.
And that all laid a foundationfor me to transition into the
(06:06):
construction industry.
I'm a general contractor,commercial and residential.
I started doing some greenbuilding with a community
foundation and it was anintegration of teaching students
that were construction tradespeople, along with doing some
energy efficiency stuff.
That led to even some LEED Goldcertified projects.
(06:28):
And that was my introductioninto the world of spray foam.
We were building these unitsoffsite out of SIP panels and
then putting them on to stemwalls that we poured and gluing
them together with spray foamand gluing them together with
spray foam.
And when you see what thoseproducts in combination can do
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for the energy efficiency of ahome and the versatility of what
you can do with it, you can'thelp but be amazed to it or
amazed by it.
You know, covid era comes along.
We've got to do somethingdifferent in life.
We've got to keep the kids fed,you know, got to keep the bills
paid.
And we transitioned and movedback to Arizona, right back onto
(07:14):
my wife's family's farm.
As we did that, it just thespray foam thing kept calling us
out.
We knew it was the premierproduct in the insulation world.
We knew we didn't have to sellit very hard because it was good
enough to sell itself At thattime.
It was all the savings we had,all the pennies we had put
(07:35):
together to go on our own.
So in your mind, what's thisfor?
What's the need?
Who's it for?
Jeremiah (07:45):
Well, like you said, dan, I mean it's we do a lot of
things for a lot of people andit's usually for a paycheck,
right.
Dan (07:51):
Yeah definitely.
Jeremiah (07:52):
Yeah, it's usually to pay the bills and they're one
way or another.
It's.
There's a lot going on, butthis is a way to you said give
back the knowledge that we'veaccumulated through the years in
hopes that others don't makeall of the mistakes we did.
Right, that's really the goalis you're going to make mistakes
(08:13):
.
If you're afraid to makemistakes, you're not going to be
successful.
It's really that simple.
You're, you have to be able totake that first step, and
sometimes you trip, but we wantless tripping for now.
And this, this stuff, is to getinformation out from subject
matter experts in this industryto give guys an opportunity,
like you said, going down theroad on the job site, listen to
stuff, you know.
(08:34):
Get that stuff out to guys sothey don't make all the same
mistakes that we actually had tomake because there's no one
there to be like hey, here's anet once in a while instead of
all the time, cause you're right, some of those mistakes you
have to, you have to see, youhave to learn to understand how
to deal with them.
But I just I feel the need andthe why is really to help guys
(08:55):
not make all of those mistakes.
Make the mistakes that you know, help you be successful.
Don't make the mistakes thathave you going home covered in
ISO at the end of the day.
Right, that's, you know, notthat not to many, that happens a
lot, thankfully, but, like Isaid, that's a drastic example.
But that's what I mean.
It's like.
Let's make the mistakes that abusiness makes to get successful
(09:16):
, not the ones that have yousitting home for a week because
you made a mistake.
And that's what this is aboutgetting safety and knowledge out
to prevent those things andmake sure you have a path
towards success and no scrapesand bruises down the road.
Right, just enough, but not toomany, that's right.
Dan (09:32):
Yeah yeah yeah, chicks dig scars, but not a lot of them,
not a lot of them, not if youcan't walk, it doesn't work very
well yeah.
And you know, from my standpointand where I am in my business
right now is that we're busy.
We've got things pulling usevery direction and I'd like for
(09:57):
every one of my people thatworks for us some of them are
even family that they know thatone.
They've got people that give adamn.
You know they have ownership,that cares, or you know they
have people that want to makesure that they're going home,
like you said, in as good ashape or better than where they
left.
They get to go home with somepride.
(10:18):
But that, these talks, you knowsafety talks and stuff the
industry in general requiresthem, but the people don't like
them.
And so if we're providing anoutlet so that people can have a
conversation and think a littlebit ahead, pre-plan just a
(10:40):
little bit that saves the brokenfinger, cut legs, you know heat
exhaustion, yeah, um, you nameit and, like I said, it's an
outlet that these people, thepeople in the field cruising
down the road in the truck, canlisten to this and be like, oh
dang, today we're gonna be inthe tightest attic we've seen in
(11:04):
years and it's gonna be blazinghot, and do we need to just
pull over and get some more ice,I mean just anything like that,
just to think ahead just alittle bit.
That saves some guys, some gals, some frustration or potential
injury or bodily harm or mentalanguish at the end of the day,
(11:28):
for sure, or mental anguish atthe end of the day, for sure.
And I think, presenting it in amanner that's done differently
than the typical safety lecturefrom the guy with a shiny hard
hat and a buzz haircut oh man,we could do like an 80s video
game if we want, like get thesideburns going.
I remember watching those.
That's what we had right.
Shake hands with danger, yeah.
Jeremiah (11:47):
It was the one that I always remember Like bell
bottoms you could put on likesome corduroy, exactly.
Dan (11:53):
Yeah, they sure do it that way.
Yeah yeah, get whistles to blowat everybody when they're wrong
.
You know that kind of stuff.
There you go.
But I think in general there'sso many operators out there that
are owner-operators.
They're in the truck with theirrig, maybe their entire life
savings behind them, hoping thecheck that comes in tonight buys
(12:15):
groceries for their kids, andthey may have a helper or two
with them and those helpers arereliant on that guy to make sure
that they're busy and they'regoing to feed their kids.
And we want all three of thoseguys or four gals I keep saying
guys all the time, even though Ihave one all girl crew that
(12:37):
kicks ass.
I got to be careful when I saythis they, they can talk about
it, they can talk to each otherabout it and they can be
comfortable talking to eachother.
And I want the guy that sweepsfloors and scrapes walls to be
able to talk to one of mysprayers and go.
That deck on that scaffoldingis looking pretty bad these days
(12:57):
.
Maybe we ought to say something.
Or you know, whatever.
We're missing this tool, we'remissing this.
I want everybody to be able tohave that conversation because
it may make a difference tosomebody someday.
Jeremiah (13:12):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Dan (13:13):
Yeah, so we may be saying this twice.
Give me your goals for thisthing and give me your
philosophy behind teachingsafety to all of our family.
Jeremiah (13:26):
Yeah, I think our goals we've been kind of talking
about is like we want to getinformation out to people in our
industry the best way we canand make it readily available
for the time constraints that wehave in our jobs because, once
again, like you said then,there's little to no time to sit
down and take 15 minutes whenyou don't have it right,
(13:47):
especially during a week,especially when you're working
every day.
Um, so my, like I said, thegoal is to get this knowledge
and this information out to guysin the any way we can.
Um, to make sure that they can,you know, either use this as
their own safety toolbox, talkwhere they can sign in and they
can have that, you know, on file.
So if anyone ever asks orthey're ever, you know things
like that.
Or if, like you said, justgoing down the road starting a
(14:09):
conversation amongst a crew oflike, oh man, we don't do that.
Oh man, we didn't, I didn't evenknow you could drink pickle
juice to say, hi, drink, I mean,you're really bad, like all
these little ins and outs.
You know, the guys that havebeen doing it for years have it.
(14:31):
Kind of ties into my philosophyon safety too is if you don't
take time for safety now, itwill take time for you later,
like if you're not wearing youreye protection, you're not
wearing PPE.
Down the road you're going towish you had Right, and that's
once again one of those thingslike down the road, you want to
be doing this for many, manyyears, if guys and gals, dan,
(14:54):
take the time to train and makethis their career.
A career is not a week longthing.
It's something you do, providefor your family until retirement
.
Dan (15:03):
Yeah.
Jeremiah (15:04):
And if you, once again , we want you to be safe and
everything else you can do thisfor many, many years.
Yeah, Because if you can'tspray foam, you can't buy foam,
the manufacturer can't sell foam, we can't make foam, we can't
employ the people at the plant.
You can't employ the peoplelike it's again, it's the circle
of life in this industry and my, my philosophy is like if we
can all teach each other andtake time to teach each other,
(15:26):
then we're going to, we're goingto be better together.
Instead of selfishly trying tomaintain or think everyone's
competition which we're notwe're all trying to do the same
thing.
This is a great industry.
We're all trying to make money,do our jobs and do everything
we can and that, once again, ifwe're doing it the best and
safest way, we're going to bedoing it longer, right, and if
we have those conversations,those conversations will be had
(15:49):
more and more often.
Right, more people will be likehey, like you said, the helper
would be comfortable.
You're like I don't know aboutthat, instead of just Not saying
anything because of thesituation.
Right, if you have theconversations more, it becomes
regular for people to care aboutthese things instead of, like
you said like oh, I don't knowif I should say something.
Right, you know, I know it'sgoing to cost a couple hundred
dollars.
I better just wait, right, youknow we don't want that, right?
(16:11):
So it's yeah.
It's the whole thing.
Dan (16:15):
Yeah, and I look back through all of my years in the
construction industry and thesafety managers that are out
there.
Their intentions are good.
They they want everybody everyday to be safe and uninjured and
unimpeded and be able to gettheir job done.
But the old approach to it justmakes everybody hate it.
(16:37):
You know you can't get peoplethat their minds are programmed
like us to sit in a room foreight hours or 24 hours of
onboarding somewhere and listento somebody talk about.
You know you need this, osha,you need this, this, you need
this and that and want thosepeople to change their identity
(17:02):
to fit the safety mold that isin there.
You know you look at thisindustry and you know,
especially you go onlineanywhere and you know there's a
lot of these guys.
Identity is I drop two sets ofperfect butter every day this
entire week and my guy scrapedfor five minutes.
(17:23):
It was the cleanest job we'veever done.
That's their pride and that'stheir identity and you wouldn't
want to take that away from anyof those guys.
But you sure want to enhancethe fact that.
Okay, you did that and everynight you went home and you had
enough energy and enoughphysical wellbeing.
Night you went home and you hadenough energy and enough
(17:44):
physical well-being, well-beingand mental well-being to
interact with your friends andfamily and, uh, you know, you go
back to a old term they've usedin aviation for years um, a
good landing is one you walkaway from.
A great landing the airplanesused again.
So, um, you know meaning toanybody, yep.
Um, so kind of an outline ofwhat you're going to see out of
(18:07):
us in these podcasts.
We want them to be kind ofshort and sweet, enough time for
you to drive to a job site, beplaying it in the truck or play
at your shop.
I mean, if you're barbecuingburgers for your crew one day,
you know, play some of these.
But what are we doing to makeit viable?
What are we doing to make itgood?
(18:27):
What are we doing to make itcredible?
Jeremiah (18:30):
we'll have people on here that add substance to our
conversation.
Hopefully, you know equipment,people like you know um, people
from graco, distributors, thingslike that, that will add their
two cents, so to speak, to theseconversations right, and
subject matter experts to helpget information out that they
feel is important, because whatyou and I feel important might
(18:50):
differ from the guy on the Eastcoast to the West coast.
So we want to make sure that wehave guests and people from
this industry that help add theconversation right.
That's what these should be asconversations about health,
about safety, about equipment,about storage, anything, mental
health, of course, anything wefeel would be important for guys
to want to talk about.
(19:10):
Like you said, if we can startthe conversations about these
things, hopefully that willcontinue.
Dan (19:14):
Yeah, and I really like some of the lineup of guests we
have coming in.
There's such a broad rangeacross the industry and some of
these guys see more every daythan any of us will, that are on
our own in our own littlemicroclimate, our own little
world.
They see stuff and they've seensome of the biggest wrecks.
They've been investigators onsome of the biggest problems
(19:37):
that we've ever had, biggestproblems that we've ever had.
You know, they see the smallimperfections that every rig has
that turn into a huge problemand they know how to fix them
for you and they can probablytell us in five minutes like, go
right now, look at this and gohere and order this and it'll
fix it for you.
And those are some of the.
(19:58):
I think that some of thoseguests will bring um to get that
all out there and done.
We're all active in the world ofspray foam and active on
different things that are goingon.
So we'll try to keep youupdated on some of the current
events and ask that you guysrespond back.
Hit us up on Facebook, uh,spray foam mafia us.
(20:19):
Whatever contacts you can do,we're glad to have it.
And, just in case you'rewondering, our email is
sprayfoammafia at gmailcom andour Facebook is Spray Foam Mafia
.
So, like I said, like andfollow those for us while you're
at it there.
Another thing that we hope lendscredibility to this is we're
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going to have some of the OGguys out there.
Some of the guys have beengrinding through this for 20, 30
years with stories, experiencesthey've had.
We're trying to get a dealgoing with Rusty Schrader to
give us Rusty's Wreck of theWeek and maybe on the road with
Rusty just to get his colorfulcommentary as he's driving, as
(21:09):
he's driving as he's driving.
Um, we just want everybody outthere to know that nobody is
immune from the mistakes, andwhere the mistakes have been
made and what they've learnedfrom them.
Um, I think that's an importantfactor in teaching everybody
because, uh, those people youknow have built a lot of respect
in the industry over the years.
And what else do we have onhere over pb katie's pp reviews?
Jeremiah (21:34):
there you go, yeah like contractors, reviews of pp
and equipment and stuff that wemight find interesting, that we
want guys to know about or useor check out and stuff like that
yeah, yeah.
Dan (21:47):
And if, like I said, we're gonna have some real world spray
, everyday people um, you know,in all different climates,
because you don't spray everyday down, right?
No, no no, no, I take sundaynight off.
Sunday night, yeah, usuallyfrom about 6 pm till you know
about4 am monday morning.
I usually don't spray that oh,okay, cool, you know guy needs a
break now.
Then four or five hours a week,yeah, that's all you really
(22:10):
need for a break, um.
But you know, I mean anythinglike head socks, masks, uh, fall
protection, uh, you it, if wecan get our hands on something
to try it and just giveeverybody an honest opinion of
how it works.
So we see some of that.
(22:30):
Oh, documentation, yeah,there's gonna be some editing on
this one, just so, you know, weget Jeremiah to talk some more
about some of these things too,so it's not just me the whole
time you're reading.
I can't read your wife'shandwriting?
(22:51):
Okay, so the getting thedocumentation and forms that
we're gonna have, oh yeah on thepage so oh yeah, so yeah.
Jeremiah (23:00):
so the other part of this guys is too, is like, if
there needs to be documentationof the toolbox talk, we'll have
sign in sheets and stuff likethat, as well as links to CPI
certifications and other thingsthat are important to use an
applicator as a contractor.
We'll try and make sure thatthings are readily available,
cause, once again, we want thisto be not only informative in
the conversation, but also ifyou need to document your
(23:22):
toolbox talk on a weekly basis,depending on what kind of job
you're on or what you're doing,we'll have that available for
you guys to keep on file as well.
Dan (23:30):
Yeah, and I'd go a step further, not even if Just do it,
just do it, it's good, it is.
Whether you want to look at itfrom a liability standpoint as a
company owner or not, it's justgood to do it, talk about it,
document it, have it.
You may never ever need it andI hope you never have to, but if
(23:51):
you do, we want it to be therefor you.
So for today and I guesstoday's little introduction, our
little call to action thatwe're going to have every week,
the first thing I'd like to seeout of everybody is get your CPI
certifications done foreverybody, jeremiah.
Tell them why that's important.
Jeremiah (24:12):
It's a basic understanding of where we begin
low pressure, high pressure andevery manufacturer and
distributor I know.
As part of your training, it isrequired that you have your CPI
certification.
Everyone should have it.
It's good for two years, ittakes 15 to 20 minutes to do and
it is just a basic rundown of afew things in this industry to
(24:33):
start off with High pressure,high pressure, low pressure,
chemicals, a little safety andit's required.
By doing near everyone I know,and I as far as our
certification and our approvals,same thing like do you have
your CPI certification.
So it's just, it's a greatstarting point and it's, once
again, just like anything else.
When you get certified orapproved or whatever or whatever
, there's steps to it and it'ssomething that you have to have
(24:55):
in place and it's free.
And it's free, it doesn't costanything except some time.
Right, and once again, it'sit's good for two years, so it's
not hard.
Dan (25:06):
Yeah, the the younger generation could probably do it
on their phone, Like you said in10 to 15 minutes.
Jeremiah (25:15):
You can do it on your phone too, but like it's, it's
take a few minutes for your job,for your career, for your.
For the beginning, it's like Isaid, it's just do it, it's not
hard.
Dan (25:21):
No, it's, it's not.
Yeah, not.
And it's a good thing to haveum, and maybe that's a starting
place as a company owner, tomandate that to all of his
people, to just start changingpeople's mind the more people
that do it, the better off weall are, and it once again, it
becomes normal, like you don'thave to ask if you have this
(25:42):
certification.
Jeremiah (25:43):
It's just if you're an applicator and you're spraying
foam, you got it.
Dan (25:46):
You got it, yeah, no right, exactly, uh, and you know basic
osha 10 yeah it's basic OSHA 10.
Jeremiah (25:55):
Yeah, it's good, Basic OSHA 10 is really good to have
the 30, maybe not.
You got to have one guy on thecompany you got to have one guy,
but not everyone I don't thinkneeds to sit through that.
The 10 hours definitely goodinformation to have.
It gives you an understandingof the common sense that OSHA
does have and what to look at.
But, once again, the 30 hours,like I said, something you know
someone in the company shouldhave to understand, but I don't
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think everyone really needs it.
But if you have the opportunity, get it.
You know, once again, it's not abad thing to have, like any
other certificate or approval ora class you can go to.
Just do it.
You know.
You know, every time I seesomething on LinkedIn or
Facebook, that's.
You know, let's talk aboutchemicals, let's talk about HFOs
(26:38):
.
You know I sign up.
Yeah, oh, cool.
Well, it's half an hour on theway.
Well, I'm going to take half anhour on a Wednesday to see if
there's something you know andget some out of it.
Take the time to learn more.
Yeah, and once again, anythingwe come up with or talk about,
we'll post on the on there,especially if we find it's an
important thing for you guys toknow, we'll, we'll mention it,
make sure it's out there for youguys to take um, because once
(26:58):
again, all this stuff should beout there, um, because the more
you, the more you have, thebetter you are for sure, right
yeah, um, is that okay, allright, so, so, what's that?
(27:22):
I don't know what, making itstill first or yeah, this is,
this is stop, this is just keepgoing rolling.
Dan (27:28):
This is keep rolling, yeah and click, click, click, click
is.
We're not really sure what thatmeans yet, other than Jeremiah
is enjoying himself.
Ok, so again, toolbox Talks onSafety for the Spray Foam
Industry.
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(27:50):
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Stay tuned.
Next week I think we'relaunching heat stress for our
very first in-depth episode.
hey, welcome.
Toolbox talks on safety for thespray foam industry.
This is our inaugural episodeand, as you can see, I'm trying
to hype it up.
I don't know if I can be like amonster truck announcer.
Jeremiah (00:15):
I'll show you the sunday, sunday, sunday, you'll
only need the ads.
Dan (00:20):
Thursday thursday wait, it's friday.
It's friday, so we're cool.
Yeah, it's Friday afternoon,yes, in a lovely air conditioned
office instead of sweating itout yeah, out in the sun, all
right.
So basic introduction to yourhost here.
First off, jeremiah, go ahead,tell us all about yourself, your
background story, your history.
Jeremiah (00:43):
Well, I was born in a small cottage.
No, my name's JeremiahSchoenberg.
I'm a technician for UPC.
I've been in this industry alittle over 20 years.
Almost 25 years Owned my ownrigs, ran companies for guys
everywhere from interior,exterior, roofing, coatings, um
all across the board.
(01:03):
Um I've been with uh upc alittle over six months now.
Um been a tech for about 10years, uh for manufacturers as
well.
And come to you know, findmyself in arizona in this
podcast trying to help guysunderstand the importance of
safety and gets information outto the masses the best way we
can and help each other.
Dan (01:27):
What was your introduction to spray foam and then what got
you hooked to stay in at thistime?
Jeremiah (01:32):
It was a gun range in Montana when my good friend said
, hey, I got some work you cando on the weekends and make some
cash.
And I was using a lot offour-letter words that first day
, right, because it was not aneasy time.
We were spraying you know eightinches of clothes selling a gun
range and definitely was aweird introduction.
But, um, that's how I gotstarted and was doing it on the
(01:53):
weekends with buddies and youknow, to make extra cash Cause I
was doing HVAC um during theweek as a journeyman there
installing and troubleshooting.
And what got me hooked, man, asI tell everyone, if you make it
past a year you're probablynever going to get out, and it
was.
It was a little over a year.
You know me and a buddy were outin Hawaii spraying track homes
day in and day out and it wasjust us, the rig and you know
(02:15):
the beach and that's kind ofwhere I fell in love.
It's just every day.
You know, spraying foam andlearning all this stuff.
And you know, out there withenergy bills, the way they were,
you know it was a big dealbecause they could be $600 to a
thousand dollars for a singlefamily home and we made big
changes to a lot of things outthere and that was kind of where
I got hooked is out there justworking on the, you know, on a
(02:37):
crew, and just doing everythingwe can.
Like I said, it just never gotout of.
It Went from there to projectmanagement and estimation and
things like that and just kindof kept adding to the my toolbox
and, like I said, now I'm luckyenough to be here, so awesome.
Dan (02:53):
Uh, what formal education in the spray foam world have you
had, other than mistake aftermistake after mistake, until you
figure it out it's not formaleducation, no-transcript.
Jeremiah (03:02):
That's the school.
Hard knocks, dan.
Well, I learned from the peoplearound me.
You know I've been very lucky.
Like I said, my good friendjust needed help on the weekends
and next thing I know I'm outin Hawaii and we're spraying
foam seven days a week, 12 hoursa day, nonstop together.
Like I said, I've, you know,been surrounded by good people,
(03:24):
whether it was from you know um,as a superintendent or as a
project manager or you know justknowing good owner operators
and good you know CEOs andpresidents of companies that
take the time to give you theinformation.
Like I said, I've worked for,you know, gentry homes, haas,
insulation.
You know Masco with David Jamesand all those guys.
(03:45):
Like I said, there's bits ofinformation that you take from
these guys that you add to yourown thing and you make it your
own.
And as you grow and evolve inthis industry that's, you know,
kind of how you got to look atit is like you never stop
learning.
You're never good enough totake a second and listen to
someone, whether they have sixmonths of experience or 40 years
of experience.
I've learned bits and pieces ofinformation that have got me
(04:08):
here.
And then, of course, you knowthe support of a great family, a
good partner.
I work.
You know, when I was a tech, Iwas on the road four weeks out
of the month.
Right, you know I'd be home onthe weekends.
You know, come home late Friday, leave first thing Monday.
So the work-life balance andhave a good partner in this
industry is definitely somethingthat's important as well.
(04:29):
You got to know we're workingthis way for a reason, um, and
it's not to keep working, it'sto support our families.
So, yeah, right, tell us aboutyour family.
Um, I have four kids, um 23, 14, 13 and nine three girls and a
boy.
And, yeah, they are the reasonthat I do what I do.
(04:50):
I want them to have all thestuff in life that you know I
didn't have as a good parent.
You want to give them theopportunities and, like I said,
they are the reason I keep doingwhat I'm doing.
So, and yeah, I'm Dan Benedict.
Dan (05:02):
I'm one of your co-hosts.
My wife and I operate SprayFoam Arizona.
We are an independent sprayfoam contractor based in central
Arizona and do it all sprayroofing foam, insulation foam,
open cell, closed cell, you nameit.
If I can make money sprayingfoam, I'm going to spray it.
Started out growing up as a kidin the cattle industry cattle
(05:23):
feed, yard, cotton farms.
If you want to double down ongoing broke, we did it.
Since I was a little kidoperating equipment shoot, if we
could walk we could drive atrack, you know, through lots of
bales of hay fed, lots ofcattle chopped, some rows of
corn, you know.
You know, through that wholelife we always were having to
build things.
Shades got blown over inthunderstorms and microbursts,
(05:46):
corrals had to be rebuilt, feedmills had to be fixed and
maintained and worked on andoverworked and rebuilt all the
time, tractors, trucks you knowthe way things break all the
time.
We just had to have our handsin fixing it.
And that all laid a foundationfor me to transition into the
(06:06):
construction industry.
I'm a general contractor,commercial and residential.
I started doing some greenbuilding with a community
foundation and it was anintegration of teaching students
that were construction tradespeople, along with doing some
energy efficiency stuff.
That led to even some LEED Goldcertified projects.
(06:28):
And that was my introductioninto the world of spray foam.
We were building these unitsoffsite out of SIP panels and
then putting them on to stemwalls that we poured and gluing
them together with spray foamand gluing them together with
spray foam.
And when you see what thoseproducts in combination can do
(06:49):
for the energy efficiency of ahome and the versatility of what
you can do with it, you can'thelp but be amazed to it or
amazed by it.
You know, covid era comes along.
We've got to do somethingdifferent in life.
We've got to keep the kids fed,you know, got to keep the bills
paid.
And we transitioned and movedback to Arizona, right back onto
(07:14):
my wife's family's farm.
As we did that, it just thespray foam thing kept calling us
out.
We knew it was the premierproduct in the insulation world.
We knew we didn't have to sellit very hard because it was good
enough to sell itself At thattime.
It was all the savings we had,all the pennies we had put
(07:35):
together to go on our own.
So in your mind, what's thisfor?
What's the need?
Who's it for?
Jeremiah (07:45):
Well, like you said, dan, I mean it's we do a lot of
things for a lot of people andit's usually for a paycheck,
right.
Dan (07:51):
Yeah definitely.
Jeremiah (07:52):
Yeah, it's usually to pay the bills and they're one
way or another.
It's.
There's a lot going on, butthis is a way to you said give
back the knowledge that we'veaccumulated through the years in
hopes that others don't makeall of the mistakes we did.
Right, that's really the goalis you're going to make mistakes
(08:13):
.
If you're afraid to makemistakes, you're not going to be
successful.
It's really that simple.
You're, you have to be able totake that first step, and
sometimes you trip, but we wantless tripping for now.
And this, this stuff, is to getinformation out from subject
matter experts in this industryto give guys an opportunity,
like you said, going down theroad on the job site, listen to
stuff, you know.
(08:34):
Get that stuff out to guys sothey don't make all the same
mistakes that we actually had tomake because there's no one
there to be like hey, here's anet once in a while instead of
all the time, cause you're right, some of those mistakes you
have to, you have to see, youhave to learn to understand how
to deal with them.
But I just I feel the need andthe why is really to help guys
(08:55):
not make all of those mistakes.
Make the mistakes that you know, help you be successful.
Don't make the mistakes thathave you going home covered in
ISO at the end of the day.
Right, that's, you know, notthat not to many, that happens a
lot, thankfully, but, like Isaid, that's a drastic example.
But that's what I mean.
It's like.
Let's make the mistakes that abusiness makes to get successful
(09:16):
, not the ones that have yousitting home for a week because
you made a mistake.
And that's what this is aboutgetting safety and knowledge out
to prevent those things andmake sure you have a path
towards success and no scrapesand bruises down the road.
Right, just enough, but not toomany, that's right.
Dan (09:32):
Yeah yeah yeah, chicks dig scars, but not a lot of them,
not a lot of them, not if youcan't walk, it doesn't work very
well yeah.
And you know, from my standpointand where I am in my business
right now is that we're busy.
We've got things pulling usevery direction and I'd like for
(09:57):
every one of my people thatworks for us some of them are
even family that they know thatone.
They've got people that give adamn.
You know they have ownership,that cares, or you know they
have people that want to makesure that they're going home,
like you said, in as good ashape or better than where they
left.
They get to go home with somepride.
(10:18):
But that, these talks, you knowsafety talks and stuff the
industry in general requiresthem, but the people don't like
them.
And so if we're providing anoutlet so that people can have a
conversation and think a littlebit ahead, pre-plan just a
(10:40):
little bit that saves the brokenfinger, cut legs, you know heat
exhaustion, yeah, um, you nameit and, like I said, it's an
outlet that these people, thepeople in the field cruising
down the road in the truck, canlisten to this and be like, oh
dang, today we're gonna be inthe tightest attic we've seen in
(11:04):
years and it's gonna be blazinghot, and do we need to just
pull over and get some more ice,I mean just anything like that,
just to think ahead just alittle bit.
That saves some guys, some gals, some frustration or potential
injury or bodily harm or mentalanguish at the end of the day,
(11:28):
for sure, or mental anguish atthe end of the day, for sure.
And I think, presenting it in amanner that's done differently
than the typical safety lecturefrom the guy with a shiny hard
hat and a buzz haircut oh man,we could do like an 80s video
game if we want, like get thesideburns going.
I remember watching those.
That's what we had right.
Shake hands with danger, yeah.
Jeremiah (11:47):
It was the one that I always remember Like bell
bottoms you could put on likesome corduroy, exactly.
Dan (11:53):
Yeah, they sure do it that way.
Yeah yeah, get whistles to blowat everybody when they're wrong
.
You know that kind of stuff.
There you go.
But I think in general there'sso many operators out there that
are owner-operators.
They're in the truck with theirrig, maybe their entire life
savings behind them, hoping thecheck that comes in tonight buys
(12:15):
groceries for their kids, andthey may have a helper or two
with them and those helpers arereliant on that guy to make sure
that they're busy and they'regoing to feed their kids.
And we want all three of thoseguys or four gals I keep saying
guys all the time, even though Ihave one all girl crew that
(12:37):
kicks ass.
I got to be careful when I saythis they, they can talk about
it, they can talk to each otherabout it and they can be
comfortable talking to eachother.
And I want the guy that sweepsfloors and scrapes walls to be
able to talk to one of mysprayers and go.
That deck on that scaffoldingis looking pretty bad these days
(12:57):
.
Maybe we ought to say something.
Or you know, whatever.
We're missing this tool, we'remissing this.
I want everybody to be able tohave that conversation because
it may make a difference tosomebody someday.
Jeremiah (13:12):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Dan (13:13):
Yeah, so we may be saying this twice.
Give me your goals for thisthing and give me your
philosophy behind teachingsafety to all of our family.
Jeremiah (13:26):
Yeah, I think our goals we've been kind of talking
about is like we want to getinformation out to people in our
industry the best way we canand make it readily available
for the time constraints that wehave in our jobs because, once
again, like you said then,there's little to no time to sit
down and take 15 minutes whenyou don't have it right,
(13:47):
especially during a week,especially when you're working
every day.
Um, so my, like I said, thegoal is to get this knowledge
and this information out to guysin the any way we can.
Um, to make sure that they can,you know, either use this as
their own safety toolbox, talkwhere they can sign in and they
can have that, you know, on file.
So if anyone ever asks orthey're ever, you know things
like that.
Or if, like you said, justgoing down the road starting a
(14:09):
conversation amongst a crew oflike, oh man, we don't do that.
Oh man, we didn't, I didn't evenknow you could drink pickle
juice to say, hi, drink, I mean,you're really bad, like all
these little ins and outs.
You know, the guys that havebeen doing it for years have it.
(14:31):
Kind of ties into my philosophyon safety too is if you don't
take time for safety now, itwill take time for you later,
like if you're not wearing youreye protection, you're not
wearing PPE.
Down the road you're going towish you had Right, and that's
once again one of those thingslike down the road, you want to
be doing this for many, manyyears, if guys and gals, dan,
(14:54):
take the time to train and makethis their career.
A career is not a week longthing.
It's something you do, providefor your family until retirement
.
Dan (15:03):
Yeah.
Jeremiah (15:04):
And if you, once again , we want you to be safe and
everything else you can do thisfor many, many years.
Yeah, Because if you can'tspray foam, you can't buy foam,
the manufacturer can't sell foam, we can't make foam, we can't
employ the people at the plant.
You can't employ the peoplelike it's again, it's the circle
of life in this industry and my, my philosophy is like if we
can all teach each other andtake time to teach each other,
(15:26):
then we're going to, we're goingto be better together.
Instead of selfishly trying tomaintain or think everyone's
competition which we're notwe're all trying to do the same
thing.
This is a great industry.
We're all trying to make money,do our jobs and do everything
we can and that, once again, ifwe're doing it the best and
safest way, we're going to bedoing it longer, right, and if
we have those conversations,those conversations will be had
(15:49):
more and more often.
Right, more people will be likehey, like you said, the helper
would be comfortable.
You're like I don't know aboutthat, instead of just Not saying
anything because of thesituation.
Right, if you have theconversations more, it becomes
regular for people to care aboutthese things instead of, like
you said like oh, I don't knowif I should say something.
Right, you know, I know it'sgoing to cost a couple hundred
dollars.
I better just wait, right, youknow we don't want that, right?
(16:11):
So it's yeah.
It's the whole thing.
Dan (16:15):
Yeah, and I look back through all of my years in the
construction industry and thesafety managers that are out
there.
Their intentions are good.
They they want everybody everyday to be safe and uninjured and
unimpeded and be able to gettheir job done.
But the old approach to it justmakes everybody hate it.
(16:37):
You know you can't get peoplethat their minds are programmed
like us to sit in a room foreight hours or 24 hours of
onboarding somewhere and listento somebody talk about.
You know you need this, osha,you need this, this, you need
this and that and want thosepeople to change their identity
(17:02):
to fit the safety mold that isin there.
You know you look at thisindustry and you know,
especially you go onlineanywhere and you know there's a
lot of these guys.
Identity is I drop two sets ofperfect butter every day this
entire week and my guy scrapedfor five minutes.
(17:23):
It was the cleanest job we'veever done.
That's their pride and that'stheir identity and you wouldn't
want to take that away from anyof those guys.
But you sure want to enhancethe fact that.
Okay, you did that and everynight you went home and you had
enough energy and enoughphysical wellbeing.
Night you went home and you hadenough energy and enough
(17:44):
physical well-being, well-beingand mental well-being to
interact with your friends andfamily and, uh, you know, you go
back to a old term they've usedin aviation for years um, a
good landing is one you walkaway from.
A great landing the airplanesused again.
So, um, you know meaning toanybody, yep.
Um, so kind of an outline ofwhat you're going to see out of
(18:07):
us in these podcasts.
We want them to be kind ofshort and sweet, enough time for
you to drive to a job site, beplaying it in the truck or play
at your shop.
I mean, if you're barbecuingburgers for your crew one day,
you know, play some of these.
But what are we doing to makeit viable?
What are we doing to make itgood?
(18:27):
What are we doing to make itcredible?
Jeremiah (18:30):
we'll have people on here that add substance to our
conversation.
Hopefully, you know equipment,people like you know um, people
from graco, distributors, thingslike that, that will add their
two cents, so to speak, to theseconversations right, and
subject matter experts to helpget information out that they
feel is important, because whatyou and I feel important might
(18:50):
differ from the guy on the Eastcoast to the West coast.
So we want to make sure that wehave guests and people from
this industry that help add theconversation right.
That's what these should be asconversations about health,
about safety, about equipment,about storage, anything, mental
health, of course, anything wefeel would be important for guys
to want to talk about.
(19:10):
Like you said, if we can startthe conversations about these
things, hopefully that willcontinue.
Dan (19:14):
Yeah, and I really like some of the lineup of guests we
have coming in.
There's such a broad rangeacross the industry and some of
these guys see more every daythan any of us will, that are on
our own in our own littlemicroclimate, our own little
world.
They see stuff and they've seensome of the biggest wrecks.
They've been investigators onsome of the biggest problems
(19:37):
that we've ever had, biggestproblems that we've ever had.
You know, they see the smallimperfections that every rig has
that turn into a huge problemand they know how to fix them
for you and they can probablytell us in five minutes like, go
right now, look at this and gohere and order this and it'll
fix it for you.
And those are some of the.
(19:58):
I think that some of thoseguests will bring um to get that
all out there and done.
We're all active in the world ofspray foam and active on
different things that are goingon.
So we'll try to keep youupdated on some of the current
events and ask that you guysrespond back.
Hit us up on Facebook, uh,spray foam mafia us.
(20:19):
Whatever contacts you can do,we're glad to have it.
And, just in case you'rewondering, our email is
sprayfoammafia at gmailcom andour Facebook is Spray Foam Mafia
.
So, like I said, like andfollow those for us while you're
at it there.
Another thing that we hope lendscredibility to this is we're
(20:40):
going to have some of the OGguys out there.
Some of the guys have beengrinding through this for 20, 30
years with stories, experiencesthey've had.
We're trying to get a dealgoing with Rusty Schrader to
give us Rusty's Wreck of theWeek and maybe on the road with
Rusty just to get his colorfulcommentary as he's driving, as
(21:09):
he's driving as he's driving.
Um, we just want everybody outthere to know that nobody is
immune from the mistakes, andwhere the mistakes have been
made and what they've learnedfrom them.
Um, I think that's an importantfactor in teaching everybody
because, uh, those people youknow have built a lot of respect
in the industry over the years.
And what else do we have onhere over pb katie's pp reviews?
Jeremiah (21:34):
there you go, yeah like contractors, reviews of pp
and equipment and stuff that wemight find interesting, that we
want guys to know about or useor check out and stuff like that
yeah, yeah.
Dan (21:47):
And if, like I said, we're gonna have some real world spray
, everyday people um, you know,in all different climates,
because you don't spray everyday down, right?
No, no no, no, I take sundaynight off.
Sunday night, yeah, usuallyfrom about 6 pm till you know
about4 am monday morning.
I usually don't spray that oh,okay, cool, you know guy needs a
break now.
Then four or five hours a week,yeah, that's all you really
(22:10):
need for a break, um.
But you know, I mean anythinglike head socks, masks, uh, fall
protection, uh, you it, if wecan get our hands on something
to try it and just giveeverybody an honest opinion of
how it works.
So we see some of that.
(22:30):
Oh, documentation, yeah,there's gonna be some editing on
this one, just so, you know, weget Jeremiah to talk some more
about some of these things too,so it's not just me the whole
time you're reading.
I can't read your wife'shandwriting?
(22:51):
Okay, so the getting thedocumentation and forms that
we're gonna have, oh yeah on thepage so oh yeah, so yeah.
Jeremiah (23:00):
so the other part of this guys is too, is like, if
there needs to be documentationof the toolbox talk, we'll have
sign in sheets and stuff likethat, as well as links to CPI
certifications and other thingsthat are important to use an
applicator as a contractor.
We'll try and make sure thatthings are readily available,
cause, once again, we want thisto be not only informative in
the conversation, but also ifyou need to document your
(23:22):
toolbox talk on a weekly basis,depending on what kind of job
you're on or what you're doing,we'll have that available for
you guys to keep on file as well.
Dan (23:30):
Yeah, and I'd go a step further, not even if Just do it,
just do it, it's good, it is.
Whether you want to look at itfrom a liability standpoint as a
company owner or not, it's justgood to do it, talk about it,
document it, have it.
You may never ever need it andI hope you never have to, but if
(23:51):
you do, we want it to be therefor you.
So for today and I guesstoday's little introduction, our
little call to action thatwe're going to have every week,
the first thing I'd like to seeout of everybody is get your CPI
certifications done foreverybody, jeremiah.
Tell them why that's important.
Jeremiah (24:12):
It's a basic understanding of where we begin
low pressure, high pressure andevery manufacturer and
distributor I know.
As part of your training, it isrequired that you have your CPI
certification.
Everyone should have it.
It's good for two years, ittakes 15 to 20 minutes to do and
it is just a basic rundown of afew things in this industry to
(24:33):
start off with High pressure,high pressure, low pressure,
chemicals, a little safety andit's required.
By doing near everyone I know,and I as far as our
certification and our approvals,same thing like do you have
your CPI certification.
So it's just, it's a greatstarting point and it's, once
again, just like anything else.
When you get certified orapproved or whatever or whatever
, there's steps to it and it'ssomething that you have to have
(24:55):
in place and it's free.
And it's free, it doesn't costanything except some time.
Right, and once again, it'sit's good for two years, so it's
not hard.
Dan (25:06):
Yeah, the the younger generation could probably do it
on their phone, Like you said in10 to 15 minutes.
Jeremiah (25:15):
You can do it on your phone too, but like it's, it's
take a few minutes for your job,for your career, for your.
For the beginning, it's like Isaid, it's just do it, it's not
hard.
Dan (25:21):
No, it's, it's not.
Yeah, not.
And it's a good thing to haveum, and maybe that's a starting
place as a company owner, tomandate that to all of his
people, to just start changingpeople's mind the more people
that do it, the better off weall are, and it once again, it
becomes normal, like you don'thave to ask if you have this
(25:42):
certification.
Jeremiah (25:43):
It's just if you're an applicator and you're spraying
foam, you got it.
Dan (25:46):
You got it, yeah, no right, exactly, uh, and you know basic
osha 10 yeah it's basic OSHA 10.
Jeremiah (25:55):
Yeah, it's good, Basic OSHA 10 is really good to have
the 30, maybe not.
You got to have one guy on thecompany you got to have one guy,
but not everyone I don't thinkneeds to sit through that.
The 10 hours definitely goodinformation to have.
It gives you an understandingof the common sense that OSHA
does have and what to look at.
But, once again, the 30 hours,like I said, something you know
someone in the company shouldhave to understand, but I don't
(26:17):
think everyone really needs it.
But if you have the opportunity, get it.
You know, once again, it's not abad thing to have, like any
other certificate or approval ora class you can go to.
Just do it.
You know.
You know, every time I seesomething on LinkedIn or
Facebook, that's.
You know, let's talk aboutchemicals, let's talk about HFOs
(26:38):
.
You know I sign up.
Yeah, oh, cool.
Well, it's half an hour on theway.
Well, I'm going to take half anhour on a Wednesday to see if
there's something you know andget some out of it.
Take the time to learn more.
Yeah, and once again, anythingwe come up with or talk about,
we'll post on the on there,especially if we find it's an
important thing for you guys toknow, we'll, we'll mention it,
make sure it's out there for youguys to take um, because once
(26:58):
again, all this stuff should beout there, um, because the more
you, the more you have, thebetter you are for sure, right
yeah, um, is that okay, allright, so, so, what's that?
(27:22):
I don't know what, making itstill first or yeah, this is,
this is stop, this is just keepgoing rolling.
Dan (27:28):
This is keep rolling, yeah and click, click, click, click
is.
We're not really sure what thatmeans yet, other than Jeremiah
is enjoying himself.
Ok, so again, toolbox Talks onSafety for the Spray Foam
Industry.
Please like us, subscribe uswherever you get your favorite
(27:50):
podcast, that please come back.
We'll have an episode everyweek and with a new topic.
Some of these that are more indepth, maybe two topics, but we
don't want to take up much ofyour time.
It's too valuable of acommodity, so we want you to be
able just to get through thesequickly and concisely.
We're on Facebook Spray FoamMafia.
(28:11):
Please like us share it withall your other friends in the
community of spray foam or, heck, even in the rest of the
construction industry.
A lot of these topics willcover um outside of the spray
foam industry, even though it'sgeared directly to us in the
industry.
Um, spray foam mafia.
Gmailcom is our email.
(28:32):
Please contact us, give us anyideas of topics.
You want us to get in depth andtalk about comments.
You know commentary, anythingwe're doing.
We're glad to hear from youQuestions you have of anything
we discuss.
Please let us know.
We want to be there to help.
Yeah, so I believe that is allfor now.
(28:54):
Stay tuned.
Next week I think we'relaunching heat stress for our
very first in-depth episode.
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