Podcast 11: Episode 1-10 Enhancing Job Safety Practices Through Laughter

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Embark on a journey with us through the heart of the spray foam industry as we promise to uncover the secrets of safety that can transform your job site practices. Join our safety toolbox talks, where we take a retrospective look at our past episodes and the global impact they've had on listeners from 14 countries. We'll dive into the critical role of CPI certification as a testament to your commitment to safety and training, while weaving in humor and engaging content to keep you entertained.

Face the challenges of the season head-on with our practical tips for overcoming weather-related hurdles, especially in the unpredictable climates of Arizona. Whether it's layering clothes to combat the cold or indulging in some pickle juice to keep your electrolytes balanced, we've got you covered. With insights from Josh of Graco, we also discuss how respecting equipment energy forms is non-negotiable, and explore the lessons learned from near misses that can create a culture of vigilance and awareness in the workplace.

Get ready to chuckle as we share anecdotes about troubleshooting foam application concerns and the importance of open communication with tech support. From the evolution of vacuum technology with Dave Krenzel to addressing mental health and equipment care during the hectic holiday season, we blend humor with crucial insights. We wrap up with a nod to festive antics inspired by "Christmas Vacation," expressing gratitude for our listeners and inviting you to join our community of safety-conscious professionals who value both laughter and learning.

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Episode Transcript

Dan (00:01):
All right, welcome back.
Welcome back to Toolbox Talkson Safety for the Spray Foam
Industry.
I'm Dan Benedict, spray Foam,arizona.
I'm Jeremiah Schoenberg, upc,and today is episode 11.
And our illustrious producer istelling us to do a recap and
maybe hit on some of thehighlights we've done on our
first 10 episodes.

(00:21):
Our illustrious producer gaveyou directions, then left us to
figure it out I don't knowwhether I should mention that
she went to the bar when sheleft us she did, she is not a
raging alcoholic?

Jeremiah (00:33):
I promise, not even marginally she just dropped you
off, like it's like a play dateand said I'm out.
I'm out of here I'm gonna gohang out with my friends have
fun.

Dan (00:44):
Behave yourself or you'll never get invited back.
No, so one of her questions washow's it going?
How do we think it's going sofar?
What's your opinions on it sofar?
Do you think people give a?

Jeremiah (01:01):
dang, or should we just fold this up and do
something about something?
I mean I would like less workto do.
That'd be not all right.
You know a few more minutes inthe day, yeah, I mean, we're,
we're hanging out.
You know dinner time on afriday night, because that's the
time we have.
Yeah, but no, I I have to say Ithink it's, it's going well.
Um, you know we've had a goodgood amount of people on that
can speak to the topics that wewant and hopefully put focus on,

(01:25):
you know, safety in areas thatthe guys care about.
So they you know, instead of youknow, popping on and just
listen.
You know they, they listenthrough, right, yeah, no, not to
mention our shenanigans.
Correct, come out when we're,you know, just around,
especially when you know there'sno one supervising us.
I got to think that it's youknow, just around, especially
when you know there's no onesupervising us, right?

(01:45):
I gotta think that it's youknow, we that it's doing pretty
well.
Um, it's not like we did thisfor uh no, not for our own yeah,
so yeah, like I said, you know,we're gonna line up more guests
this next you know these nextepisodes and try and get more
guys on and um, you know,hopefully you guys start using
it like we.
We see, right.

Dan (02:05):
So yeah, and you know when, when christian goes and like,
opens up her little you knowcontrol the world software that
she has on her computer andstarts telling me where
everybody's listening from.
Um, I think it's like 14countries.
That's pretty nice that we havelisteners from, and multiple
listeners from, lots ofcountries and that's good.

(02:25):
Good, I think, like SaudiArabia, we've got like a couple
dozen, which is interesting,quite a few European countries,
some South American stuff, now,of course, us and Canada,
pacific Rim We've got you knowsome listeners all up and down
there.
So I got to, I got to hope thatpeople care about you know some
listeners all up and down there, yeah.

Jeremiah (02:45):
So, um, well, I gotta, I gotta hope that people care
about you know health and safetyenough to pay attention a
little bit.
You know, yeah, exactly, nomatter where you're at or what
country you're in, or, right, Ihope it's in, you know, they
understand the importance.
Or, once again, like find humor, in our shenanigans for just
long enough to listen and belike oh wait, wait, there's
substance here.

Dan (03:04):
Yeah, I just hope somebody absorbs something throughout
Jeremiah's not constantlyclicking them off so they can
edit this out, Yep.
So anyway, go back into justsome of the different highlights
.
You know we started out withepisode one, which I think was a
little bit rough that was, thatwas our first episode unlocking

(03:29):
spray foam, safety, ppe andcertification yep that one was
just pretty basic, trying to getpeople to look at it.
Listen to us.

Jeremiah (03:38):
Cpi training that way I talked.
It was last week I talked, Ihad a long talk with the
applicator and the owner of thebusiness and I was like, look, I
was on site and we're talkingabout you know the university
and training.
And I was like you're like, howdo we get into that?
It's like, well, first you haveto do the CPI certification.
That's like step one.
We require you to do thisbefore you even show up Like you

(04:00):
want the number.
It's good for two years.
It takes literally 20 minutesto take and it's the baseline.
Hey, you care enough to sitdown and take this test.
Great, here's the card.
Hey, sit down and you know, andI think and talking to them
about why is like, look, man, itshows, it shows, shows they
care enough to sit down and dothis in the off time to get that
little card that is importantfor the next step of their

(04:22):
training right.
It gives them a basicunderstanding of some small
areas of health and safety toget their brain moving.
Yeah, so they're.

Dan (04:29):
So they're thinking about it on the job site right and
gives them a baseline ofsomething that they can build
off of and ask questions from,instead of being oblivious to
everything yeah.

Jeremiah (04:38):
So when you show up to the job site, you're not taking
steps back to kind of get themmoving forward, like, oh,
they're at, you're talking aboutopen cell and closed cell, no
pressure and high pressure, thestuff in the test like, okay,
yeah, they start to connect thedots enough to where you can
kind of start to mold the, theprogram that you're going to do
with this, because every guy'sdifferent right, depending on
how you you get out there andwhat they're doing, what product

(05:00):
they're using, that you've gotto kind of formulate a plan.
As you meet these people and ifthey have, once again they have
those baseline things like oh,he's paying attention, he's
digging in, he's trying tofigure this stuff out and I
think this guy, you know, mightwant to stick around a while.

Dan (05:14):
So right, yeah, yeah.
And if they're not willing todo that, they probably don't
need to keep them around verylong, because they're probably
going to miss something else.

Jeremiah (05:22):
Yeah, I mean you don't want those guys that think you
know you're just there to pickup the gun and do your job and
then set it down and leteveryone else you know there's
more to it than that, right?
So got to hope that's kind ofinstilled in those
certifications from the CPI tothe SPFA stuff that's more
in-depth and digs down and theguys are lucky enough to be able
to go out on site and work withguys like you know, rusty and

(05:45):
Cole Fletcher and all those guysand Sam from General Coatings
that run these programs, thathave this experience in this
industry and you're not justshowing up on a job site
injecting and doing your jobright off the bat, right?
So yeah.

Dan (06:01):
So then we we jumped into podcast number two, which was
heat safety maintaining healthand productivity in extreme
situations.
Uh and uh, summer temperaturesWell, I think the biggest thing
to take out of that is hydrationis still an issue, no matter

(06:21):
what climate you're in.

Jeremiah (06:22):
Yeah, that guys don't realize you can.
You can get dehydrated inwinter too, dan.
I mean, yeah, you can be in anattic and you can be spraying
and overworking yourself towhere you get dehydrated when
it's freaking 20 degrees out, ifyou don't stop and take a break
, or even hydrate or eat whenyou have to, right.
Once again, you can have thosesame problems, yeah, that you'd
have in extreme summer not asfast, of course, but right.

(06:44):
I think, like I said, it'simportant, you know, to keep
harping on that because, onceagain, the seasonal change is
probably the biggest issue withfatigue and health that these
applicators face, right?

Dan (06:54):
so, and I don't know about the rest of the world, but I
know here it changed in theblink of an eye.
We were like 109 two weeks agoand we're like 40 in the morning
, right now?

Jeremiah (07:04):
yep, so it's like.
You know, everyone thinksarizona, the.
You know it's the oven of theus, but then you know, this part
of time of the year it's stillcold in the mornings and hot in
the afternoons and you have to,like applicators, have to have
the mindset for both cold andhot weather applications within
an eight hour period, right, yes, have your layers be ready to
shed them off throughout the day.

(07:24):
Yeah, and then hydrate.
So bundle up first, thenhydrate in the afternoon, right,
so you don't get heat stroke.
It's great.

Dan (07:31):
And to the rest of the country suck it.
Yeah, our weather is going tobe good for the next six months.
Yeah, it's pretty beautifulhere.
Yeah, exactly, we're all right.
Yeah, come visit us.
You'll like it here for a while, for For a while Until mid-May
Exactly yeah.
Yep, yep.
So the rest of you guys?
You know we're shovelingsunshine when you're shoveling
snow.
Yeah, that's exactly right.

(07:53):
And of course you know I hadseveral people pickle juice.
You know that a bunch of peopleswear by it and a bunch of
people are like really WeirdPickle juice they that a bunch
of people swear by and a bunchof people are like really weird
pickle juice.

Jeremiah (08:07):
They think it's weird.
But it's not the vinegar, thesalt, it's all that stuff you
need when you're, when you'redehydrated, when you're on the
brink of dehydration and andstuff like that.
It adds everything back to yourbody, like water sometimes is
not.
No.

Dan (08:18):
Sometimes you're washing out minerals and stuff by
drinking a bunch of water, justflushing your body.

Jeremiah (08:20):
Right, by drinking a bunch of water, just flushing
your body, right?
If you don't add things to itas you take it out, then you
come in the same problem.
You can drink all the water youwant, right.
But if you've sweat eight hoursand you lost all that salt and
everything else, it's going tobe, it doesn't matter.

Dan (08:33):
Well, and you know, Hayden did explain to us very
eloquently a few weeks ago In.

Jeremiah (08:38):
It was a good song.
It was awesome.

Dan (08:40):
It was Thank you, thank you .
Yeah, yeah.

(10:40):
So then, podcast three.
So then, uh, the podcast threeequipment safety preventing life
altering injuries.
This started our trail of gore.

Jeremiah (10:52):
I think is what it was .
We got gruesome.
Josh had some some veryinteresting pictures.

Dan (10:57):
Yeah, Josh Carney was awesome.
Yes, and what he brought in umchanged my willingness to buy
new gloves.

Jeremiah (11:07):
I would think so In the blink of an eye.
That hand that looked like it,you know, had fishing twine
wrapped around it, but it didn't.

Dan (11:15):
But it didn't, no, no, yeah .

Jeremiah (11:18):
You know, like I said once again, dan, we work with
this equipment.
The guys, you know, they turnon, they turn off, and I don't
think they, especially the newerguys, don't fully understand
the capabilities of what thatequipment can do to the human
body, not not the products it'smeant to spray, but the human
body if something goes sideways.
And I think that was a good way.
Sometimes you need, you needthe freaking kind of smack in

(11:40):
the face, right to say hey guyslike this is a serious thing,
you know, not many people talkabout.
It was good of josh to bring upyou know the injection, high
pressure injections, because Imean, I haven't seen, you know
that I don't think the onlyother career I've had that you
know really hit that home wasthe military, because they have,
so you know, hydraulic systemsand stuff that are so high
pressure like oh, and they talkabout it a lot, right, so it was

(12:01):
good to have, you know, a guyfrom graco to come in and sit
down and talk to us about it,because again you gotta respect
it.

Dan (12:07):
No, no, you've got to, and and you know, as we kind of
discussed, all forms of energythat's coming to this equipment,
we're using respect, whether itbe pressure, heat, electricity,
um high voltage, high pressure,you know yeah nothing that can
hurt you.
No, we're not asking for anykind.
Oh, and then they put us inuncontrolled weather
environments on top of that withthe same equipment.

(12:29):
Yeah, and we willingly go.
Yes, we do.
Yes, right, we brag that we gowhen it's worse.

Jeremiah (12:35):
Yeah, and I go back and back again and train people
to deal with it.
Hey man, if you make it a year,you'll probably stick around.

Dan (12:45):
You'll probably be there.
Let's focus on that year and aday Right.
And yeah, and you see, thingslike that picture, and even for
seasoned guys that may havegotten a little bit neglectful
of what they're doing, you know,and not thinking about it,
that's a slap in the face.
Man, I'd never want to seeanything like that.
I could go my whole life andnever see a picture of that

(13:05):
again and be perfectly happy.
That would be nice, yeah, butanyway, yeah, josh was cool.
That was a good episode.

Jeremiah (13:14):
But yeah, be mindful that when we had what five
maximizing spray performance.

Dan (13:23):
So wait, well, this was again another gore thing, was it
?
Was it five, or was it that?
Um, aaron, aaron whipped outthe picture of the guy's foot
that a barrel dropped on yeah,that was cool, yeah, that was
really yeah um, it's like whathe's, it's, it's.

Jeremiah (13:44):
There's always those pictures in our industry and
like same thing with themilitary.
You always have those pictureslike here's what not to do and
here's why, yeah, don't wearyour wedding ring with when
you're working with heavyequipment.
Here's why.
Yes, I didn't want to see that,but I did.
Yeah, right, you know.
Same thing with the pictures ofthe high pressure injections,
like here's, here's why to payattention.
Yeah, oh right, it's like.

(14:06):
So I I got it the same withaaron.
You know he talked about the.
You know, coming from thedistribution side, what he deals
with and all the things he hasto go through, right, um, so
once again added a good piece ofbits of information to our
talks.

Dan (14:19):
You know, once again, guys that deal with it every day
exactly tell us how it is, and Ilove going into his shop and
loading up with product andseeing somebody there not moving
a barrel like trying to pull itaround the back and I just yell
.

Jeremiah (14:36):
Episode four episode four they got forks.

Dan (14:43):
They got everything they need to not do that.
So yeah, they got everythingthey need to not do that.
So yeah, so yeah.
Juan's gotten pretty good atyelling episode four at me when
I'm rolling stuff in and out ofthe trailer too.
He should.

Jeremiah (14:52):
He should.
He should Exactly.
Juan should remind you that youactually made an episode.

Dan (14:55):
You're not being silly about this.
Maybe I'm not doing it right,yeah.

Jeremiah (15:00):
Well, that's what we talk about, dan.
It's like, look, if you seesomething, you gotta you should
tell the people, because it'slike it's the near misses that
turn into accidents, right.
Right, it's the ones thatyou're like, oh, that almost
could have been bad, and you'veall said it right.
And then there's the ones thatare bad, yeah, and there's
always that thought of like, heyman, if someone would have said
something when I was doing this, okay, you and you always
remember someone that brought itup.

(15:21):
Hey man, you know this, youknow this happened to me.
You probably should do it thisway, ok.
And then you realize you knowone one misstep, half a quarter
of a second mistake can affectyour entire career, your life,
in a way that you don't want itto.
So you've got to think about it.

Dan (15:36):
Yeah, and the mindset that a near miss is a checkmark in
the wind column is not the rightmindset.
Mark in the wind column is notthe right mindset.

Jeremiah (15:49):
No, no, yeah, oh man, we got away with that.
Yeah, oh, shoot, we dropped thedrum off, full drum, off the
back of the truck and you'retrying to roll it up there with
a two by four and sit away forour buddy.
You know, it's like same, it'sthe same thing.
And then you got it.
Yeah, it's right.
It's right on the edge of beinga serious accident.
Yes, and that's why they'recalled near misses, that's why
they you know most companies intheir safety talks will talk

(16:10):
about near misses, becausethat's one step.
Hey, we were lucky, yes, thatthis didn't happen.
Here's, here's what could havehappened.

Dan (16:17):
Yeah.

Jeremiah (16:17):
And there was like well, it didn't happen.
Why are we talking about it?

Dan (16:20):
Because next time that you're in that situation'll
remember the talk and you'relike, oh yeah oh, now I know,
and most commercial job sitesyou go to they want you to
report near missed.
They you know, just like youwould, an incident or an
accident or an injury.
They want you reporting nearmisses because they know the
value of it.
Yeah, it's not so that they canhave their little log sheet and

(16:41):
go okay, today, company a, youknow no stepped on a nail and it
didn't cause any bodily harm.
No, that's not what they'rethere to do.

Jeremiah (16:51):
It's not a grade, it's not a report card, it's an
educational thing it's tocommunicate how to make sure it
doesn't take that next stepright more than anything else.
Yes, because it's really easyfor that drum, when you're
rolling it, to tip a little toofar back and smash your foot or
go a little far forward and fallon step right more than
anything else.
Yes, because it's really easyfor that drum, when you're
rolling it, to tip a little toofar back and smash your foot, or
go a little far forward andfall on your friend like there's
.
You know there's lots ofsituations in our job that it's

(17:14):
one step away from being anaccident.
Yes, everywhere in commercialbuildings construction, they
have those for that very reason,like yes right?

Dan (17:23):
yeah, for sure, and I think episode five.
We kept aaron around a littlelonger because we liked him that
much not enough not enough toturn him into episode six no, we
didn't cut it off five cut itoff five.
Um good, I do have to apologizeto the folks over at the fox

(17:45):
den.
Why is that?
I uh gave out some spray foammafia t-shirts around there and
I didn't give one to tiffany.

Jeremiah (17:53):
Oh yes, so christian's like making her up like her own
spray foam mafia sweatshirtthat would be smart because,
like it's it's, it's probablypretty normal for kristen to
come in and save your ass,though, isn't it very?

Dan (18:07):
yes, there's on the list of reasons why I'm still alive
today.
Kristen's like in 75 percent ofthem.

Jeremiah (18:16):
That's usually how it goes, man right.
It's like those near missesaren't just in in work anymore.
No, no, they're everywhereexcept you.
You get I told you so's.
There's not a near miss meeting, there's a.
I told you so for the next 10years she's good at waiting
until afterwards.

Dan (18:30):
Oh okay, she lets it simmer for 15, 20 minutes.

Jeremiah (18:35):
She lets you think it's not coming, and then just
hammer it.

Dan (18:38):
And anymore it's coming.
It's coming and something'sgoing to come back around again
pretty quick.
Yes is coming, you know, andsomething's gonna come back
around again pretty quick.
Yes, but anyway, tiffany, I'msorry, yeah, yes, you are the
glue that holds energy foxtogether.
We'll get you some swag wepromise, and what a mistake I
know.
If I only had like somebodyelse in the industry that would

(19:00):
would help me with this thing,it'd be amazing, um anyway, so,
uh, yeah, episode five.
Uh, we talked about the sprayfoam performance.
I'm not sure what we startedthat one out in and in safety
talks, but it immediately wentinto temperature control.

Jeremiah (19:23):
Yeah, maintaining your equipment, maintain, I'm like
that went there and it stuckthere and it was great well,
yeah, because I mean every time,jen, we talked about freaking.
Today, like aboutpre-conditioning, like literally
today, like guy had a problem,his barrels are 50.
What's the problem?
that's that's the problem yourbarrels are 50 degrees
fahrenheit.
That is literally the problem.
You call me like it's doingthis, it's doing that Machine

(19:45):
won't pump like my barrels are50.
There it is.
There it is.
It's really simple and if yourdistributor has the facilities
to take care of, give it to youat 70 degrees, even if, like I
said, you know a lot of guyssometimes pick up in the
mornings Like if you pick it upat 70 degrees, know it's
probably going to lose 10degrees on the drive, you don't
have heat, but it's still thattemperature when you pick it up

(20:09):
from the distributors we have.
And that's important and that'swhy you said you walk aaron's.
Aaron's is temperaturecontrolled.
There's a lot of ourdistributors uh, csc and all you
know, nate miller they're alltemperature controlled
warehouses because they knowthey want their guys to pick it
up and be able to go to the jobsite and spray if they have to
right and anytime they have acall with an issue like the

(20:30):
first freaking question iswhat's your drum temp?
like what's your drum temp, andthen we move into what's your
machine temperatures at, becausethe delta t is important to
understand how the machine works.

Dan (20:40):
If they do not know what delta t is, just send us an
email.
We'll explain it to you.
It's very important to your job.
It's very important.

Jeremiah (20:48):
If the drum is 50 degrees and your machine is
Delta T of 40 and you set it to120, it's not hitting the 120.

Dan (20:56):
That means you're going to 90.
90 degrees 50 plus 40 is 90.

Jeremiah (21:00):
So to have a distributor, that you go there
or you get a delivery and yourproduct is the temperature that
you know the manufacturerrecommends to start.
Yes, it saves, you know, halfan hour, an hour of your day,
yeah, and when it's 50 it's twohours, dan, because you know
you're putting on blankets ifit's closed cell, you're
recirculating if it's open celland it takes time to get it to

(21:23):
where it should be, so you canjust pump it through the machine
.

Dan (21:26):
So, anyway, and I'm watching, all of those dollar
signs fly out of that exhauststack, hence why you said this,
like we started talking about itand it was.

Jeremiah (21:33):
It just kept going because it's literally the most
like, the first step is the mostimportant.
It's like everyone saysbreakfast is the most important
meal of the day, preconditioningis the most important meal of
the day for a foamer, like,because if that drum is cold or
it's too hot, or that's step oneand you have to fight

(21:54):
everything from step one.
Yeah.
So yeah, it was like I saidthat once again, it's easy to
see why it went off because,like, that's like it just did
yeah, because everyone shouldcare, we like, you know people
brush it aside, but it's likelook man, we, we can't, we can't
make a product, and then thatdoesn't work in the machine,
like, and the machines only doso much, and they do that for a

(22:17):
reason.
They have air codes, they don'tpump that viscous material.
For a reason because graco, pmc, all these guys know like
manufacturers say no, yeah, sothe machine shouldn't do it
right, exactly anyway.
Yes, once again like I said, asyou know that, yeah, that's a
big one because every literally,and it's winter.
So right now, you know guys,wherever this comes out, it's
winter time.
Yeah, and it's getting colder.

(22:38):
Literally every day, two tothree phone calls.

Dan (22:41):
Yes, hey, man, you know it's cold right, did you put on
a jacket this morning?
How come your phone?

Jeremiah (22:47):
yeah, yeah well, I put my.
You know, you put your jacketon, your beanie on, you go to
work when you know you set yourthing to 85 degrees and you hop
in your trailer and hit thelittle remote start on the truck
yeah you hit the remote starton the truck.
So before you walk out of thehouse you know 20 minutes the
truck's warm when you get in.
But then you hop in your rigand it's 55 degrees and then

(23:08):
you're like, well, we're justgoing to start right up and go
to work, right, and I do it inmy truck because I like my
coffee to stay hot, and that'swhat I mean.
I drink iced coffee 24, 24, 7.

Dan (23:17):
So it doesn't bother me.

Jeremiah (23:18):
Yeah, it's about efficiency, and hot coffee takes
too long to drink.

Dan (23:27):
I like bass, we enjoy it.

Jeremiah (23:28):
No down, go to work helps keep my blood pressure low
while I'm on the road.

Dan (23:30):
Yeah, I need to drink less coffee anyway anyway, yeah, and
david was bringing me a bunch ofproduct the other day and, uh,
we were having the same topic,just talking about it because my
you know insulated storagecontainer with the mini split on
it, um had to change mysettings the other day.

Jeremiah (23:46):
Yeah.

Dan (23:47):
It's.
You know, it's great.

Jeremiah (23:49):
It's a little icicle button off but a little heat
button on to us as techs andanybody, it is sometimes crazy,
um, that people will change thesettings in the house, they'll
have the remote start for theircars, but they'll hop on a rig
and expect the products a and B,no matter what the manufacturer

(24:09):
, to just work Right.
They will not look at the guide, they will not look at the drum
that we put on the sticker.

Dan (24:16):
They're literally like.

Jeremiah (24:16):
Hey, here's the bottom end, here's the top end.
Get in there, right, it'll work, and there'll be below it and
we'll get a phone call.
Hey man, why is this notworking?
Um, you see the sticker on thedrum like and we're much nicer
than that, of course, as youknow dan but we're like, we try
and inform them, like why?
Like, hey, man, like, okay, thedrum's 50, here's the thing.
Yeah right, pumping molasses ishard.

(24:37):
Yes, definitely, and yourmachine doesn't like molasses.
Yes, it's that simple.
Yeah, so yeah.

Dan (24:44):
Yeah and again, aaron, thank you.
Yeah, we used your office andwe used a fair amount of your
time.

Jeremiah (24:49):
We did it, but it's an important.
It's important Right now, beingwinner.
It's even more important becausethese get to work and guys know
, if you don't precondition andgo off, you know, go on those
parameters that are set forth bywhatever manufacturer you use.
Like you're making a phone calland they're at there.

(25:10):
Be like, hey man, yeah, they'reall the same.
Quite like, hey man, it's, youknow, it's 40 degrees outside
your drum, 60, you're trying tospay, 135, right, that that's
not, that's not going to happen.
It's.
You know a lot of these guys.
They just don't know.
They don't know delta T, andthat's not a fault of their own.
They don't know these littlethings.
They want to go, they want tospray good foam and then these

(25:32):
other things are learned, right,yes, like how to manipulate the
foam in those conditions tomake sure it does everything it
should and keep it around.

Dan (25:39):
Yeah, it's yeah, and, and you make the mistake once you
learn delta t, you learn allthat stuff very quick, yeah yeah
, well, you would.

Jeremiah (25:50):
Well, it's sometimes.
You know, it's the same guysevery year, dan, yeah, it's the
same guys every year that forsome odd reason will switch
manufacturers this time of yearor they'll always call.
And you know, and guys, we, welog our calls.
Yeah, we log our calls.
We discuss our calls.
We know who calls as text themost often, right, and you know

(26:12):
like, oh, here's john doe, it'sfreaking.
You know, mid-september it'sgetting cold.
He forgot to buy winter.
Well, here's this phone call.
You know, and we know thatstuff.
But we do it with all the gracewe can because we know you look
, you're busy, sometimes youforget, but that's why we're
here.
Everyone's like I don't want tomake a, I don't want to ask dumb
questions or make a stupidphone call.
It's like there's literally notone.

(26:33):
Honestly, all the crap, I'llgive you crap like hey, man,
yeah, I remember this call lastyear about this time and we're
gonna have the same talk, butand they'll laugh and we'll work
on it, but that's what we'rehere for.
It's like you're there to run abusiness and make, make money
to support your family.
We're here so you can pick upthat phone and ask these
questions and not have to.
You know, not feel stupid, notfeel dumb.

(26:54):
Someone's going to tell youexactly what you need to do to
get back on track, to once againspray that phone, finish the
job, go home in one piece, right?

Dan (27:01):
so exactly and yeah, and, like I said, it's great to make
a joke about it and try to makethe situation light, but there's
no reason to be so embarrassedabout it that you can't call,
because that's not what we'reabout.
No, that's nothing.
No, call, yeah.
And if your barrel's 45 degreesand you know it and you want to
ask questions, call and go.
Oh, by the way, my barrel is 45degrees, don't hide it, man,

(27:21):
just don't.

Jeremiah (27:24):
And once again, guys, like we have been trained, the
techs that have been doing thislong enough, we've been trained
and know how to troubleshootfrom a video and a phone call.
Like you cannot hide thoseimportant facts from us.
The foam is made to show someof them.
Yes, because we want it to.

(27:44):
We don't want it to do certainthings, because it will stop you
from doing certain things.
Right, we can manufacture aproduct a certain way so that it
works with the equipment andthe applicator, to only go so
far, right.
So when you send us a video andwe were like, hey man, when we
had the first question, hey man,what's your barrel temperature?
And you're like, well, it's a,you know, 75, 80.

(28:06):
There's probably a reason whythat's the first question.
You know, like, because we cansee from the skin the way it
reacts, especially in a video.
You can always see at the lastsecond the transition on the
skin.
Sometimes it will flash and gofrom matte to gloss, like closed
cell.
It'll look translucent if it'sfreaking friable.
There's things that there'smarkers that techs know about.
Yeah, so just you know, like Isaid once again, guys, it's

(28:28):
we're here to help and whenyou're having problems, once
again, for you know, look at theguide.
Like most of the time I'm notkidding, dan, this time of year
it's it's literally in black andwhite.
Yeah, either on the drum on ourwebsite, I started laminating
the processing packets again,you know, because of winter time
.
You want to.
What are my problems?
Well, here here's a guide.
It's laminated, put on your rig.
You know, there's a and I'vethe guy, the, the new guys,

(28:49):
especially.
Just last week I handed one toa guy and he's taking lunch and
he's eating his sandwich.
He's reading.
The guy yeah, and that's why Ihand them out.
It's like why do you guys havethe website and the barrel and
the pamphlets and the and theclasses?
Like, cause one of those thingsis going to get to the guy.
One's going to sink in, one isgoing to sink in.
Some guys like the app.
They want to scroll and do itat their own time.
Some guys want to read.
It's, once again, like I said,that's why that freaking

(29:12):
conversation went off is becauseit's it's literally so
important and you know it's goodto have guys that understand.

Dan (29:19):
Yes, exactly Episode six, that was another one where you
and I were on our own.
Yeah, confined spaces.

Jeremiah (29:30):
Yeah, ventilate, ventilate ventilate, yeah,
ventilate, understand airexchange, like, yeah, it's Once
again.
I hate that I always haveexamples, dan, but you know we
had a guy that you know his unitwas cycling on and off really
fast, yeah, and he wanted toblame the applicator.
I'm like, well, you know, sir,if the unit is cycling on and

(29:52):
off very fast, it meanssomething's working very
efficiently.
Yes, I don't know what it is,but it could be something
installed in the roof line.
Yeah, it's air permeable andyou know, open cell I don't know
, could be one of those things.
Yeah, and it once again it camedown to like you're creating an
air permeable, confined spaceand they sometimes they just

(30:15):
don't think about it.
It's like you know the tons ofthe unit, all these things come
into play.
It's like you're sealing offthese spaces and you're in them
working and you have to be safeand understanding that stuff.
It will help you not only besafe but also deal with
homeowners that haven't beeninformed about this stuff yet.
Right, that's Dan texting whenhe shouldn't, by the way.

Dan (30:34):
That would be the producer.
Oh, checking in Babysitting,babysitting, yes.
Thanks, checking in Babysitting, babysitting, yes.

Jeremiah (30:41):
Thanks for calling.
Now.

Dan (30:42):
We figured it out, figured it out yeah, you didn't answer
us 30 minutes ago.

Jeremiah (30:47):
She's gonna edit.
She's gonna edit this part outand then call me.

Dan (30:50):
She's gonna be like what?
She'll wait to do it in person,okay, so yeah, she's not.
Yeah, she's not an over thephone Confrontational.
She's not an over the phoneconfrontational, she's a right
in your face confrontation.

Jeremiah (31:04):
It's probably worked well for all these years being
married to you dad, I'm notsaying it's easy.

Dan (31:11):
She just likes to marry somebody, good and bad.

Jeremiah (31:17):
Oh, she's going to edit that part.

Dan (31:18):
That's going out.
Yeah, that's going out, that'sfor sure, and yeah.
So then episode seven, nickMcCartney.
Yeah, that was a cool one.
That one came out with a wholelot more good information.
It did, and it's funny, it wentright back to proper

(31:39):
preconditioning temperatures too.
It's crazy, it's like we toproper preconditioning
temperatures too.
It's crazy, it's like we're inan industry that that matters.

Jeremiah (31:45):
It's like we're trying to produce and manufacture a
chemical that requires certainparameters to.
You said produce properly,right, it's insane, it is.

Dan (31:55):
Again, like I said, I think Nick did a great job on that
one, explaining the reasons whythat we're doing using
intumescent coatings, when touse them, how to not use them
and how to screw it up.

Jeremiah (32:15):
Yeah, and how, once again, he can tell you screwed
it up by looking at it, bylooking at it yes, you know how
he was talking about the dripand looking at it.
By looking at it, yes, you knowhow he's talking about the drip
and the cracking and the muddingand stuff like that, and it's
like, once again, it's like youknow, these products are made to
do so much.
And then when you try and pushit, it does things that we can
tell you've done it Right.
And when you call and you giveus a picture and a video, we're

(32:38):
like, hey, and nick said itagain.
He's like, yeah, when they dothis and that this is what
happens.
You know, when we asked about,you know, the, the thinning out
of the liquid, yeah, look, youcan literally get this much.
And if you add this much I knowyou've added too much by the
look by, yes, mixing, like, onceagain, the guy has learned how
to troubleshoot and maintain aproduct over a phone call.

(32:59):
In the video, yes, and oncethat's, once again you got.
These guys need to understandthat.
Like that's.

Dan (33:04):
And and if anybody has this question they can go right back
to this episode.
What size sprayer can I use?
Yeah, I mean spray foamworldwide.
I bet three different times andsince nick was on, yeah, that
question's been asked and Ialways tag nick and then put
spray foam mafia to a lot ofsoccer safety the episode and
the time, because he tells youplain as day what needs to be

(33:27):
better.

Jeremiah (33:28):
There's things you can use for intumescent, there's
things you can use for coatings.
You know, and it's important toknow, yeah, otherwise, like I
said, once again you're gonnafight right exactly.

Dan (33:37):
Uh.
So anyway, I said I got a lotout of that.
That I'm not sure I would.
I thought I went okay, well, Ineed intimesic coding, so it's
not going to be covered.
So I have a 15-minutefire-rated barrier with my phone
.
Man, that's all.

Jeremiah (33:48):
I thought you should have came to Green Day.
That was a lot of fun.
Yeah, it's a good time.
Good time.
Thanks, aaron.

Dan (33:57):
And Josh, and and Josh and Josh.
That's right, exactly, okay.
So so are we eight, eight andnine?
Eight and nine is UrbanChallenges.
Well, yeah, because we hadRusty and Miguel.

Jeremiah (34:09):
Oh, that's right, I was like you know we're getting
a few and I can't remember, youcan't remember.
And Urban Challenges was Rustytalking about trying to park his
equipment in the streets of sanfrancisco yeah, and we went
into new york and a few othercities that it's free, and
chicago is another one, yeah,it's.
It's absolutely insane whatthese guys get done in these
cities where, yeah, they'll gothe night before and park their

(34:32):
cars there and then come backthe next day so they can park
their truck and then they movetheir cars a half a mile away
because there's no parking right.
It's like the steps these guysgo through to get these jobs
done.

Dan (34:42):
It's just like I said, it's phenomenal it is like no, and
it's amazing that people arecreative enough to figure out
the tools that they have to doto get it done.
Yeah, and, and it's now theirnormal course of a day.

Jeremiah (34:55):
Yeah, and they don't care.
You know resting california,miguel.
You know, back in the home justtalking about the differences,
like some, some guys can'tunderstand.
You know, working in the city,right, it's like mr coolidge yes
, but I'm with you, no.

Dan (35:09):
No, I know I'm like.
I set traffic cones out.

Jeremiah (35:11):
Yeah, on a street yeah that three cars wide could go
by and everybody honks at melike I, like, I blocked the
whole road.
Yeah, these cities, the guyswill set up cones, people,
people will move them and park.

Dan (35:22):
Yes, that's right.

Jeremiah (35:25):
Yeah, there's no Fs given and they're just like the
people are.
Yeah, the guy's trying to getthe job done.
They don't realize it.

Dan (35:32):
Right, exactly, but that one.
I believe in those two episodeswe had a ton of good
information from fire safety youknow the talking about the
changing the fuel line over fromthe compressor to the coatings

(35:52):
machine, yeah, and talking aboutthe sidewalks, and you know
what hazards to look for there.
There's a ton of goodinformation out of both of those
.
Now, the one question that'skeep that keeps coming up out of
episode eight specifically didHunter ever, ever find a rig for

(36:13):
his customer in California orin Idaho?
I don't know.
We can ask him, yeah.
So, hunter, let us know,because you were on.
That is actually in episodeeight.
We were harassing him on thephone we were, we were heckling
not harassing.

Jeremiah (36:29):
Harassing sounds bad it was, it was, it was fun and
childish it was.
Which is heckling, heckling.
Harassing sounds you know meanand you know addictive.
Oh, yeah, mean and yeah, meanand childish, yeah.

Dan (36:42):
But anyway.
So that was one of the biggestpoints.

Jeremiah (36:47):
I wonder if you ever found a rig.
That's for that Nine.
We were talking gas engines andfire prevention.

Dan (36:56):
Yeah, that was again Rusty and Miguel sticking around
helping us out.
Oh, there's a lot to talk about.
There was Well, and with thosetwo guys, if you're gonna pin a
couple guys down to talk, thoseare two great ones to talk about
.

Jeremiah (37:04):
yeah, they've got a lot of history, yeah and all of
us have the same view on gasengines and safety and the
difference between diesel andwhat you should be using.
So it's nice to all right guys.
This is this is why everyonekeeps hampering this right.
You know, rusty had the, youknow, unfortunate examples, like
he said, of why he doesn't doit a certain way and why we keep
telling it's like once again,we have living examples.

(37:27):
In reality, it's not like we'relike well, you shouldn't do
this because I say so.
Like well, let me tell yousomething.
Let me tell you know, if it'snot well, I had this happen.
It's like my buddy had thishappen and it, you know, and
that's like that we're trying tostop that from happening.
The new guys coming in right.
It's like, look, there's,there's things you need to learn
.
Mistakes you need to need tohave happen to, yeah, to become

(37:50):
uh, proficient, really good, agood applicator and good, uh,
business operator in thisindustry.
But there's things that, no,there's things you don't need to
have.
Yeah, a fire in your rigbecause you decided to go with
the gas instead of the electric,or you decided to go with the
gas generator that sits in yourrig instead of pulling it out.
Right, you start a fire.

Dan (38:08):
Those are things that guys don't need to learn no, just
quite honestly, and and somethings were just lack of
maintenance that caused theproblems.
You know, you know again, I goback to you know I give props to
the guys that their pride andtheir ego isn't so big that they
can't just say look, I did this, I made this mistake and I

(38:29):
don't know how I lived throughit, but I'm sitting here to tell
you about it right now.

Jeremiah (38:32):
In that episode both Miguel myself, you and Rusty
were like, well you know let metell you a story that I don't
want to tell you.
Like I think that happened morethan a few times.
Like, like I think thathappened more than a few times.
It's like, well, I'm going totell you this.
I don't want to, but I'm goingto tell you because it's
important.
Yeah, and that vanity is setaside for the safety of the
fellow man, right, you set thataside.
Look, I made this mistake.

(38:53):
Here's how, right.

Dan (38:57):
When Rusty was talking about crossing a starter with a
screwdriver, the look oneverybody's face was like um,
what are you talking?

Jeremiah (39:05):
about.
I have never done that in mylife.
Luckily kids nowadays you knowyou can't Right, you can't
Physically, it's not going toRight.

Dan (39:13):
But yeah, every single one of them, every one of us looked
around there like, and I had aspecial screwdriver that had a
thicker rubber handle.

Jeremiah (39:21):
I had a special screwdriver that had a thicker
rubber handle.
You know the ranch trucks, thetrucks, the work trucks, like
they're all.
They're all 30, 30 years old,200,000 miles on them when we
started, so those guys weren't.

Dan (39:35):
No, the mice chewed up the wires 20 years ago, so yeah, you
just learned to do it.

Jeremiah (39:38):
I forgot that welding.

Dan (39:39):
Everybody, everybody in that room is looking around.

Jeremiah (39:42):
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't know what you'retalking about.

Dan (39:45):
We all aged ourself really quick.
We're talking about startersand solenoids yes, uh-huh, yeah,
but again it just goes back tothat.
You know it's cool that peoplewill come on something that's
going to be recorded for all ofhistory and confession to you
and I.

Jeremiah (40:02):
Social media doesn't disappear, so in this case it's
a good thing, exactly Because wewant people to listen to that
and understand it, right, yep?

Dan (40:10):
So then episode 10, vacuum safety with Dave Krenzel.
Oh, mr Dave, yeah, yeah.
Dave gave us some cool stuffyeah.

Jeremiah (40:18):
Well, I mean, his family has been in this industry
in insulation, not spray foamfor a very long time.
You know, his father createdthe machines that we use.
I used when I started and hecreated the machine that I used
not a couple of years ago.
You know, the diesel, like Itold him, like a diesel vacuum
was insane, like what it is itcould do.

(40:43):
And you know, like you said,the progression from his father
to him and how he's made changesand safeties in these
equipments.
You know, like the flappers onboth sides and those things that
he's changed in his tenure doat cool machines.

Dan (40:52):
Right, yeah, um, yeah, it was yeah, and and you know the
knowing that his market is nowhigher horsepower machines, like
he said, made the comment I can, I can make a 100-horsepower
vacuum.
Everybody would buy it.
Yeah, because it's cool,because it's cool that diesel
vacuum.

Jeremiah (41:09):
When you engage that impeller it goes from this motor
running to that impeller.
Yeah, it's like.
Takes a second, it's like.
It's like.
Yeah, all right.

Dan (41:18):
Man what's?

Jeremiah (41:19):
that show Tim the two-man sailor that show's
ridiculous.
And then you're in there in therig and it's, oh yeah, all
right, all right, it sucks up abat and it eats it up.

Dan (41:29):
You're like yeah all right, yeah, yeah, you know.
And just explaining things likethe you know the vac savers on
the front, the diverter elbowson the back, how to align the
machine, I mean most peoplethink, oh, I threw all the
safety stuff off, let's go.
But you know, he was evendetailed about how to you know
align the machine so that ifsomething happens and something

(41:50):
flies out it's going in a safedirection.

Jeremiah (41:52):
There's a reason.
They tell you to put ittogether and assemble it and use
it the way they do, like theyput thought into it, like they
design that equipment to do acertain thing in a certain way.
And once again, if you don'tlisten and then you call them
like hey, I did this, it's thesame as calling us as a
manufacturer tech.
You're like, hey, man, I'mhaving problems spraying, it's
bristering, it's friable and mydrum's 40.
Well, it's like if you calleddave and said, hey, I'm having

(42:14):
problems, I haven't checked myown like a month.
Right, I think something'swrong.
You know dave's gonna be likeI'm pretty sure I understand
what's happening you know yeahand yeah, uh and little pointers
.

Dan (42:26):
you know what he was given about.
You know, go over and abovewhat the engine manufacturer is
saying for those machines,because it's such a harsh
application that he wrote theguidelines to say look this,
this is better, follow it, we'retalking about, like I said,
changing the oil.

Jeremiah (42:44):
Like most guys, they change the oil when they put gas
in the car, right, and theseengines every other day, yeah, I
was told my guys every day,every morning, when you're
getting everything, you'refreaking, securing the hose,
like what's it take?
You pull out the stick and lookat it, Put it back in, check it
it out, the stick and look atit, put it back in, check it.
It takes literally seconds, yes, to verify that you didn't burn
off too much oil.
Because they burn off oil theydo like doesn't drip anywhere,

(43:07):
it doesn't go anywhere.
It burns off in a hot day, yeah, lunchtime, yeah, you may need
to check it.
I've burned off quartz, yeah,and when you're really going, if
you have those big vacuumsgoing, say, with the six and
diverted off to two and have twoguys in the attics, they will
burn the oil and the gas fast,yeah, so yeah, and I mean just
little things like blow them off, take them home every night,

(43:30):
clean them off, get those airfins clean so that they stay
cool.

Dan (43:33):
You mean it needs air to stay cool.
No, the term air cool has nobearing on that.
It's not in the title.
It's not.
The term air-cooled has nobearing on that at all.
It's not in the title oranything.

Jeremiah (43:41):
No, it sometimes says it on the machine.
It says it on the machine let'sput it in the back of the box
truck and we're going to put ourbags around it.
Yeah, then it's going tooverheat and we're going to call
the manufacturer.
What's the problem?

Dan (43:52):
What's the matter and I'm sure, like Honda or any of those
other Briggs and Stratton, I'msure they love the warranty
calls of things like that.

Jeremiah (44:00):
Yeah, I'm sure they're very receptive to that the
Honda vacuums at service partnersales.
They're all.
You look at them.
It's like you know, maintaingood ventilation, like check the
oil every other day.
Like it's not, like it's aspecial thing that Honda has or
Crandall has or Cool Machine has.
It's once again like spray foama cool machine has.

(44:22):
It's once again like spray foam.
Yes, it's like all of us have asame basic set of things to
follow to make things work andif you follow those, it's pretty
pretty nice right straight away.
You know you, yeah, you installoff ratio product, you burn out
your vacuum engine, you blow abelt, you melt a belt, like all
those things.
It's like it's, it's crazy,it's got to be.
60 of the calls is is in theliterature about what you did

(44:44):
right.
When you're talking about itand I'm like I said from talking
to david's the same way yeah,like half the time you get on
the phone like, ah, okay, okay,I know what you're gonna do now
here's what we need to dodifferent this different this
time.

Dan (44:55):
Let's try this again exactly but yeah, no, I got a
lot of that episode.
I mean, for a guy that a vacuum, but we don't do a lot of
removals.
It was.
It was cool to hear you know alot of the setup, a lot of the
better way to do it, that hegave us in that probably 45
minutes of time there, forty twominutes.

(45:15):
I just 42 minutes.
You just look one of our longerepisodes.
Well, again, that was yeah,that was not by much courtesy of
dave like not six minutes Ithink you and I may have said
three minutes worth of talk.

Jeremiah (45:30):
That's good.
We're not.
We're not the experts, we'rejust kind of.
I don't make vacuums, nomachine.
So if I'm like carter, welldave.
What about this?

Dan (45:38):
right, let him talk.
Yeah, we just kind of poked thebear just a little bit and he
unloaded.
It was great, and I'm stillstunned that they have to put
half-inch of AR-500 plate on avacuum.

Jeremiah (45:50):
Yeah, it cheers it away.
It's crazy, guys, you open thatup.
It's scary.
When you open up those vacuums,you see that impeller and
you're like, oh, now I know why.
And then you're like, oh,that's why he has the diverter
and the catch and all this otherstuff.
And they tell you not to putthe bag right to the freaking
end of the vacuum.
It's like, oh, this thing's,it's a heavy machine, it is.

Dan (46:13):
You know, those impeller.

Jeremiah (46:14):
What is it like?
A quarter inch thick some ofthem.

Dan (46:16):
Yeah, it's like those machines you got to respect 250
mile an hour tip speed, whizzingaround in that thing, and then
everyone's like you know you got25, I want 30.

Jeremiah (46:26):
It's like you want that thing going with a 30 horse
.

Dan (46:29):
Right, Come on.
Well, and what he said they'reworking on a 40.

Jeremiah (46:32):
Yeah, yeah, and that's all it does is just like the
double hoses with spray foam.
It just makes it so you couldadd things without having to buy
another, because, like thediesel vacuum you're talking
about, unlike the, the smallerones, you know, you can have a
six divert and you can have twoguys pulling at the same time
with those machines, and I thinkthat's the direction a lot of

(46:54):
guys are going.
You know, horsepower is great.
We're men, we want to.
He's got 30, I got for you.
But in reality it's seems thatmore companies are making
equipment that can have dualuses.
Right, oh, one guy can spray,or something goes bad.
This guy can spray, or this guycan remove, something goes bad,

(47:15):
you know, and we're behind.
We can divert it and two guyscan go and get the job done.
Right, it's more's, more andmore.
It's like it seems thatmanufacturers of equipment and
spray foam are looking closer toefficiency instead of just
selling more equipment orselling more foam.
I had the conversation theother day about performance
versus prescriptive.
I was like I would love to sellyou, our contractor, more foam,

(47:36):
right, but yes, that's not whatwe're here for, right.
Same with the equipment I, butyes, that's not what we're here
for Right Same with theequipment.
I would love to sell you the 40horsepower machine, just
because it has 40 horsepower.
Blah, blah, blah.

Dan (47:51):
But here's the other added value to having something cool,
right, yes, yeah, well, andlabor costs are so high?
Yeah, and you know we are in amarket in which labor, yeah, and
it's not going down no, it'snot as the economy moves ahead
here.

Jeremiah (48:03):
No, then you get more experienced guys.
Yeah, you pay them more fortheir experience.
You want to Definitely.

Dan (48:08):
You want to yeah.

Jeremiah (48:09):
Because, once again, we want experienced guys in
there to use the equipment right, install the foam coatings,
whatever they're, polyurea right, whatever they're doing.
And that comes with experienceand understanding the equipment
and, like I said, it would begreat.
I'm sure Mr Krendel would loveto sell more vacuums, oh, yes,

(48:29):
deepak would love to sell morefoam.
Yes, but both of them wouldrather sell a product that is
better and more efficient thanmore.
Yes, and they think, and, as Ithink you know, if you make a
product that is better thanthey're going to, they're always
going to come back, they'regoing to keep using, they're
going to listen if it's moreefficient, yes, definitely.

Dan (48:50):
Yeah, well, yeah, exactly, and and as a business owner,
that's a key factor is our timeis so tight, yeah, and so if I
need to buy a bigger machine sowe can get done with X job three
hours faster, whatever it is it, whatever it is, it pays me

(49:11):
back and my people are happy,yeah, because there's more pride
in it too, though, yeah, we'retougher, the whole thing six
hours instead of nine.
Yeah, we kicked that one ass.

Jeremiah (49:16):
You know that's yeah, the guys you know, yeah, it's,
it's not, it's not to chargemore, anything else, it's like,
yeah, something might be thisway, but it's once again, it's
to get you home sooner or to getmore yield out of the product
or just to be safer.
Yeah, I think you hit that homeon the vacuum stuff because
that, like I said, I vacuum, thevacuums and the blowing
machines are there's some of themost hazardous things yeah,

(49:39):
just like our ci cutters likeright, you show that thing to
most people.
Like what in the heck is that?
Yeah, like no, it's a handheldgrinder, right?
Why would you want that?
Well, I mean, it makes perfectsense and then hold it up near
your face to see yeah, it's likewe're trying to make equipment
that gets these jobs done.

Dan (49:57):
It gets it safe if my workman's comp auditor is
listening.

Jeremiah (50:00):
We don't use no, we don't have a an open grinding
wheel.
No, we use on a wall.

Dan (50:04):
We don't know, we don't have those things, no, so All
right.
So that was like kind of thehighlight reel so coming up
topics that we know we want tohit on big in the holiday season
is we're going to hit mentalhealth?

Jeremiah (50:23):
Yeah, it's big.
Well, yeah, and Travis Brandt,my boss over at UPC, the the
manager is going to talk.
Well, yeah, and Travis Brandt,my boss over at UPC, the manager
, is going to talk.
I talked to him, you know about, like I said, he's, he has kids
, he does baseball, he works,he's like, yeah, it's important
to understand, like, how tobalance all that out.
How do you spend time with thefamily, how do you maintain the
career that pays for the house,the bills, the food, and not

(50:48):
overdo it?
And I think that's the talkswe've got to start having.
That's what I told Travis Like,look, we're going into holiday
season, we're going to betalking about mental health
because it's the holidays.
We're overworking for theholidays or to, you know, to
have a good holiday, becausethat's, you know, part of what
goes on here.
It gets busy, but you know, Ithink, like you said, it's
important to understand themental health of this.

(51:10):
Unfortunately, sometimes guyslose in this industry.
We've seen it a lot lately,unfortunately.
Right, exactly.

Dan (51:19):
Yeah, so we're going to talk about some of that.
We've got several differentguests we're working on lining
up for that one.
We may end up doing three orfour episodes throughout the
whole holiday season on thosekinds of things.
We've got Bruce lined up, thescottsdale fire factor yeah,
that's gonna come in and talk tous a little bit about fire
extinguishers, basic fire safety, and one of the things that was

(51:39):
brought up on that was what todo when you call 9-1-1.
He's like it's amazing how muchtime can be wasted by people
that don't have the informationin front of them when they call
9-1-1.

Jeremiah (51:54):
He's like you don't think about it.
He's going to go and tell usall about?

Dan (51:59):
I sound like one of these politicians.
When you elect me, I'll tellyou my plan.

Jeremiah (52:04):
When we get Bruce here , he'll tell you the plan it's
too important to talk about.
We'll tell you all about theimportant stuff we didn't tell
you about this time, right,exactly.

Dan (52:11):
It's like a carrot, I am.
Yes, it's building drama, sobuilding All right.
So let's throw out a pro tipFor everybody today, beyond
temperatures, because we beatthat up enough today.
Yeah, what's yeah?

Jeremiah (52:33):
What's another?
I mean, let's see somethingthat came up recently with all
of us Like, like carrying ofyour equipment, like I like I
think on our team we had twoguys dealing with like
coagulated isocytes this week,okay, and then when it comes to

(52:54):
you know we're talking aboutsafety and health it's like not
only is that costly, dan, as youknow, to replace a hose,
replace transfer lines, have tostop and flush and do the
putting in the iso filter andspraying and stopping and
spraying and stopping it's like,but also, you know, back
pressure in these systems.
You know, and that's what comesto mind when you see this, this
coagulated gunk come out of theA side is like, if that gets

(53:16):
really bad and say, say, a newguy tries to repressurize the
system and just keeps doing it,keeps doing, it, keeps doing it
and because of that coagulation,that clog, it's not happening.
I've seen guys blow lines doingthat because they just keep
trying to repressurize and allyou're doing is build up, build
up, build up and as it starts tobulge and then it has a burst

(53:37):
point, right, um, just take careof it, like the spray lines.
That, once again, that's ourtool belt, that's how we get our
job done.
Not only is it's how we make ourmoney and how, you know,
everyone gets paid, but also,like that, that's a piece of
equipment that once again needsto be respected and I've seen
too many lately where guysaren't respecting that line.
You know it's, it's freaking insnow, it's broken apart in in a

(53:58):
puddle of rain.
You're like, hey man, likeright, yeah, you know, like I
said, coagulation, where guysare having spending all day
pushing the stuff out for theseguys, yeah, just to get them
back.
And you know, luckily we haveguys there and you know the guys
that know how to clean that up.
But the wrong guy, the wrongsituation, yeah, I think the
high pressure system again issomething we just continue to

(54:18):
have to harp on.
So guys begin to respect thisequipment.
Right, like I said, you've seenit down in the eyes of I, like
you go, these lines aredestroyed, yes, and this is 2000
psi that you're you're messingwith.
I think that's for me, that'sthe biggest one lately.
Is really guys understandingwhat's going on with that

(54:39):
equipment, right?
Yeah?

Dan (54:40):
the uh last week.
Uh, I was running around doinga whole bunch of stuff, had a
job that needed to get done.
It wasn't a very big job and itwas a closed sale job.
The trailer that I spray out ofall the time was all set with
closed sale trailer.
Katie sprays out of all thetime, it's all set with open
sale.
I said can you just take my rigand uh go spray that job now?

Jeremiah (55:03):
everybody in the company went.
Oh, you know, because they knowlike don't mess with the
settings, don't mess withanything and don't miss my
presets.
Katie's in there doing it onpurpose rearranging my tool?

Dan (55:21):
yeah, I mean, I would, if I was there, I'd be laughing with
you.

Jeremiah (55:25):
Let's move this over here, and she anyway gets done
next morning.

Dan (55:30):
You know she's like okay, here's all the reports on it
stuff, here's some pictures howit came out.

Jeremiah (55:35):
I'm like all right cool.
How did it all go?

Dan (55:37):
she's like why?

Jeremiah (55:38):
is that air hose leaking?
So what do you mean?
Air hose, yeah I don't know.

Dan (55:41):
The arrows are plugged into your b-side stick pump.
It's hissing, said it's nothissing.
Yeah, no, it's hissing.
So we pulled a little condomthing back and it's all checked
up right there.
I've done it so many times andthat has slowly built up that
you know it's.
I don't even pay attention.

(56:01):
Yeah, so back to the take careof your equipment.
Um, if you're like me that justgets used to one thing and
don't let anybody else touch it,let somebody else walk through.
If you don't have somebody inyour company to do it, call
somebody.

Jeremiah (56:16):
You get used to all the um though.
You get used to the the rig.
You're on right, it has itquirks and you don't realize it,
because every morning you walkin, you do this switch, you hit
this, you bang it on the side,you go to town yeah someone else
gets on your rig.

Dan (56:32):
Yeah, like this thing's a piece of crap, it's like no no,
how much money I make off ofthis is a bad chat, right every
rig is a little different and I,you know, once again had this
talk before.

Jeremiah (56:41):
It's like you could have two rigs side by side, same
product, two differentapplicators, same house, and
they'd be completely differentsetting.

Dan (56:49):
Yeah.

Jeremiah (56:51):
It's yeah.

Dan (56:51):
Right, yeah, cool, all right.
Well, everybody again, thankyou for listening to us.
Pick us up on your favoritepodcast platforms, no matter
what they be Spotify or iTunes.
I don't know if we're on iTunesyet or not, or whatever their
iPod one is.
I'm not part of the Apple cult,so I don't know for sure.
Then, yeah, we've got theFacebook page, sprayful Mafia,

(57:17):
the website that's up and going,that we're putting info on all
the time, got all kinds of tabsand stuff there.
We're still working on the whatMakes Jeremiah Lose His Shit
tab.
That's going to be awesome whenthat gets all done.
That's a tab.
I think that that one's goinglike full pro build out.
It's not gonna be like just alittle button list.
I think our producers are doingclips.

Jeremiah (57:37):
God bless you and just like you, just hear like 10
seconds of venting.

Dan (57:42):
Yeah, it's just like different ones like well, let's
see like clark griswold on onChristmas Vacation, just going
off the happiest motherfuckingChristmas this side of
Mississippi very pretty.
I just watched this whole thisside of the nut house.
We're gonna be the jolly bunchof ass on this side of the nut
house yeah yeah, exactly that'sme.

(58:04):
Yeah, thanks again forlistening.
Look forward to having you backfor our antics and episodes.
Yeah, there you go.

Jeremiah (58:13):
Later guys.