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Could ignoring a minor injury lead to life-altering consequences? In our latest episode, we unravel the hidden dangers lurking in the spray foam industry with expert Josh Carney from Graco. With over 20 years of experience, Josh shares a gripping story of a worker who paid dearly for not seeking immediate medical attention after an injection injury. We explore preventive measures, emphasizing the crucial role of proper TSL fluid and gun maintenance, as well as the importance of keeping rigs immaculate and using the right grease to maintain both safety and efficiency in your operations.
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Dan (00:05):
Welcome to another episode of Toolbox Talks on safety for
the spray foam industry.
I'm Dan Benedict, Spray FoamArizona.
Jeremiah (00:12):
I'm Jeremiah Schoenberg, technician for UPC.
Dan (00:15):
Today we're talking equipment safety with Josh
Carney from Graco.
Josh, tell us a little bitabout yourself.
Give us your background, allthat good stuff.
Josh (00:23):
Yeah, sure.
So I've been with graco about20 years now.
Um, I've started in thecontractor equipment side, which
is basically like your airlesspaint sprayers for homes,
buildings, that kind of thing.
I've worked with texturemachines, line striping machines
, pretty much a lot of differentequipment that graco's made
over the years.
Um, and now I'm in the foam andpolyureal world.
(00:44):
So I've kind of made a fullcircle here and been around
equipment a long time.
Dan (00:48):
Just talking equipment safety.
We're all running this stuff,that's, you know, pumping
pressures of all kinds of stuff,from low pressure to high
pressure, depending on what yourversion of low pressure and
high pressure is Gosh.
There's electrical hazards togo with this.
There's chemical injectionissues that could happen, you
(01:10):
name it.
There's all kinds of stuff thatyou need to watch out for on
this.
So, joshua, what do you see?
Why are we talking about thistoday?
What have you run into?
What's your biggest fear?
Josh (01:22):
Good question, Biggest fear.
Well, I can show you somepictures I'll show these guys in
the studio real quick here ofprobably my biggest fear, which
is injection injury.
And that's not as prevalent onthe foam side, because we're
running at 1,200 to 2,000 PSI,but you start talking about the
protective coating equipment andsome of the other stuff.
It's high pressure and that canreally do some damage to, I
(01:45):
mean, skin.
Injection is the big one for me.
The reason why that is is thatif you get injected it doesn't
even look that bad when ithappens.
So guys usually have a tendencyjust to wrap it up and finish
the day.
That's the absolute worst thingyou can do.
The longer you wait, the morechemical is getting coated on
your muscles and your innerworkings of your body and the
more they got to slice you openand scrub.
(02:05):
So, like I say, I'll show you apicture I don't like.
Jeremiah (02:08):
slice open and scrub.
Josh (02:09):
That doesn't sound no uh-uh, so I'll just show these
guys in the studio an example.
Dan (02:15):
This actually was a guy in Phoenix that happened to and he
injected his finger and he justwrapped it up and finished the
day.
Josh (02:23):
Oh no, it doesn't look that bad it just looks like a
pinprick when you do it.
Yeah, and so he finished up theday.
He woke up in the middle of thenight with his hand completely
swollen like that and obviouslyknew there was a problem.
And so he went to the hospitaland they just basically you can
see from that picture filletedthem open and started scrubbing.
Jeremiah (02:38):
And that's how guys yes, it looks like it's put
together from pieces thatshouldn't be.
Let's see.
Dan (02:46):
Is this a picture you can share with us so we can put it
up on?
Josh (02:48):
the link For sure, 100%, so the guys can see it 100%.
Boy, if you see this, you'renever going to go without a pair
of gloves the rest of your life.
So it's just one actuallyremoves.
Know that there's a, there's arisk involved when you do that.
All that stuff is there for areason and uh, meant to use it.
Dan (03:10):
keep you safe equipment side of things.
When you walk up to acontractor's rig or you know
stationary equipment, whatever,what's the most common thing?
You see that bothers you.
What's you know?
Is there one, or is there five,or what do you run into a lot.
Josh (03:26):
I would say on the, uh, the foam equipment, the number
one thing and I I know it's apain but TSL fluid.
If you just change that TSLfluid, man, you will save
yourself so much headache overtime.
It's ridiculous.
But the first thing I do is Iwalk up and I see it's either
completely locked up or it'smilky.
Either way, it's time to changeit.
Um, but guys, just it's anextra step.
(03:47):
I guess I don't like it.
It's better to do it more thannot enough.
Jeremiah (03:50):
I'll tell you that yeah, I, I gotta agree.
Yeah, you get on that rig andthe first thing you see is a cup
full of paste.
You kind of know how the day isgoing to go.
You know it's.
It's one of those pet peeves.
When you see it, it you're likeall right, guys, let's start
start back a little bit here.
Dan (04:06):
Yeah, what else you got there?
Josh (04:08):
I'll see.
So TSL is one um.
Just gun maintenance in general, I think that's another big one
.
Just using grease, um, which Idon't know if everyone knows or
not, but we got away from thewhite grease is gone, it's all
the clear grease now, um, so youcan make sure you're just
greasing your gun.
That'll help you in the longrun as well.
Other than that, tsl fluid inyour transfer pumps, I mean a
(04:28):
lot of guys don't know you needto get a little squirt of that
in the transfer pumps.
That'll help too.
But that's a big one for me isTSL fluid.
I mean everything else is moreor less just a maintenance thing
, that you'll see clean rigs,you'll see dirty rigs and, to
Jeremiah's point, you'll knowwhen you're walking into a
situation.
It's usually not a clean rig,I'll tell you that that is true.
Dan (04:52):
Other hazards to safety that you see more common than
not.
Josh (04:59):
Big or small.
Yeah, I mean on the spray foamside, like I say, the injection
thing is not as big a deal.
Dan (05:10):
Until you see that picture of that guy's hand's hand.
Yeah, I keep having to stare atit and I'm like I I think it's
a big deal, man.
It's now a huge deal in ourworld.
Josh (05:14):
I mean, as far as other safety stuff mainly it's just
ppe, uh, ppe protection andmaking sure you got fresh air
and and that kind of stuff thatthat's probably the other one
that you don't, other one thatneeds to be addressed, but other
than that there's really not aton of big safety concerns
outside of that with theequipment side anyway, Mic stand
.
Dan (05:32):
Safety seems to be an issue .
Today.
He's seen him whack himselfwith a microphone twice already.
Jeremiah (05:38):
Head protection when you're doing a podcast.
Josh (05:39):
Give him a hard hat.
We didn't plan on this.
There we go, we're back up.
Now we're back up.
We get to give them a hard hat.
We need to plan on this.
Yeah, there we go.
We're back up.
Now we're back up.
Dan (05:45):
We get to all the time is why do we need this?
Why do we need to talk about it?
And, like I said, we're dealingwith all different facets of
energy when it comes to thisequipment, so why do we need to
talk about it?
Josh (06:00):
As far as safety goes, yeah, I mean obviously.
Obviously you're dealing withvoltages and electricity and all
that kind of stuff.
So you've got to make sureeverything's grounded properly
and when you're working onsomething within the rig, make
sure all the power to it isturned off.
That's obviously the otherconcern outside of injection
would be getting electrocuted.
That's a huge one.
So that would be the twobiggies in my mind would be skin
(06:24):
injection and the electricitypart of it.
So obviously, when you'reworking on stuff, just make sure
everything's no powers toanything, and that's not just
with our equipment, that's atyour house anywhere, right?
If you're going to work on aplug at your house, god's sakes,
hopefully.
Yeah, breakers turned off sookay.
Dan (06:37):
So yeah, back to the back to the like the tsl, yeah, okay,
outside of just graco'srecommendations, which I'm sure
you know, those to a t, what doyou tell everybody, even if they
are not running the good bluestuff for tsl changes?
Josh (06:56):
just regular tsl stuff.
I mean it's pretty easy.
I mean, just when it becomesmilky, it's time to change it.
That's it.
I mean there's nothing morethan that.
There's no magic amount, nomagic day.
I mean, if you can get on a setschedule of every month, you
take a look and change out,great, that's good news.
But you know, some people wouldargue I'm wasting money by
doing it that way.
Maybe, but you're also savingyourself money with any kind of
(07:17):
maintenance stuff going forward.
But I would say, when it turnsmilky, change it.
That's it.
Super simple, not hard, justchange it it's about a week dan
it's about a week.
Dan (07:27):
That's what I'm thinking.
Jeremiah (07:28):
It's I mean, I see it in the field.
I mean it's, if you're runninga normal work day, five days a
week, I can promise you thatnext minute you come back it's a
little milky.
Yeah, it needs to be changedout, um, because it's not far
off.
You let it go in a couple moredays, it starts to get a little
pasty and then then it starts toclog your lines and then you
got a wet cup problem.
And then, instead of a littletiny bottle of TSL, you're
(07:49):
having us come out to replace anentire wet cup system which has
you down for three to fourhours and costs a couple hundred
dollars, and then you're notgetting your job done.
So it's like Josh said, alittle prevent maintenance on
the front end is going to saveyou time and money on the back
end.
So I, like I said I found aboutit, once a week you check it
and if it's milky you change itout.
Dan (08:06):
It's pretty simple and take some paper towels and wipe that
stupid jar out yeah, especiallyif it's pasty.
Jeremiah (08:13):
Yeah, don't just try and dump it out and leave
everything in there, becausejust clean the day.
Dan (08:16):
Clean the day.
Yeah, you're that far into it.
It's like if you change the oilin your car and you leave the
old filter in, you're like, yeah, this is good enough, right
yeah?
It's new oil.
Yeah, it's new oil.
It'll pick up the other stuff.
Josh (08:28):
Yeah, it'll be good, good point, good point.
Dan (08:31):
Yeah.
Josh (08:33):
No.
So I think there's other stuffas far as the equipment goes too
.
That's there for good reason.
Like we have all kinds of datareporting on new equipment.
They can tell you alarm codes,they can tell you what you're
doing right, how on ratio youare.
All that stuff is there.
You don't have to use it, butyou can access it.
So, like Reactor Connect, forexample we came out with that a
couple of years ago you canaccess all kinds of material
(08:54):
that can help you withtroubleshooting your machine too
.
So all that stuff's there.
Now some people might say, yeah,it's a waste of money, I don't
need all that.
Maybe, but there are guys thatuse it and, even more
importantly than you using it,we have a tech team at Graco.
When you call in, they canaccess all that reporting and
tell you what's going on withyour rig.
Super simple, super quickbecause they have all the data,
as opposed to just guessing atit from what you're telling them
(09:16):
.
They can actually go into thelog and look OK, you got an
alarm here, this is what's goingon.
So there's a lot of fail-safesout there that a lot of people
may not know of that you can use, and Greco's got a great tech
team that you can call anytimeto troubleshoot it for you.
Jeremiah (09:29):
Really, Dang data information helps you
troubleshoot.
Wow Weird.
Dan (09:34):
Weird.
You don't preach that toanybody ever, no, never, never,
never, never, no, I don't saythat to a soul ever.
Josh (09:46):
You have nothing and you want me to fix it?
Oh okay, no problem, let me getright on.
But that's just one of thosethings that Greco is trying to
help people in the field andtechnical teams and everyone do
their job more efficiently andspray foam more efficiently.
That's the whole goal toimprove the industry going
forward and give people a way totrack it and you know, like new
home builders, for example,they want to see how much foam
you sprayed on a particular job.
You can get all that data, youcan track it, you can print out
(10:08):
a report, show the guy.
So there's a lot of things outthere that are available, that
maybe guys don't use or aren'taware of, but there's a lot of
information there for you.
And that's what Greco's tryingto do is just push the industry
forward, going forward.
Dan (10:20):
So let's go to the next step for keeping these guys safe
and stuff.
How would the boots on theground guy, your sprayers, your
hose tenders?
What do you want them to lookat when they start their day,
every day?
Or maybe when they take a breakfor lunch and they're about to
fire up again in the afternoon?
What do you want them to glanceat?
(10:42):
What do you want them to glanceat?
Josh (10:49):
What little keys should they be looking for.
That might stop a problempartway through the next session
of spraying.
I don't necessarily knowanything in particular.
I mean it's kind of the bigstuff If you notice things are
going off ratio, you're startingto get B-side heavy or whatever
the case may be.
No-transcript, and that'sanother thing.
With the Reactor Connectportion you can actually see all
that data on your phone realtime as you're spraying so you
can see if one of your pressuresis dropping or something's
(11:10):
getting out of whack.
You can see all that.
So I don't know that it's anyone thing in particular, but
just keep an eye on the machine,make sure it's running right.
That's really, at the end ofthe day, it's not terribly hard.
And I would say one thing we dosee sometimes is you'll start
to get alarms and they'll go inand adjust it so they don't get
that alarm anymore.
Well, it's telling you you'vegot a problem.
(11:31):
Now if you take that out of theequation and cut it, you know,
cut it you're just going tospray bad foam, and that's what
we don't want and that's why allthose alarms are actually there
.
They might seem like they'renuances from time to time, but
they're actually there to stopyou from spraying because it's
telling you you're not sprayinggood foam anymore and that has
all kinds of implications pastthat.
So we're trying to stop you iswhat we're trying to do.
Dan (11:51):
And so far today I've learned I need data and I have
to listen.
Yes, yes Dan.
Josh (11:59):
And.
Dan (11:59):
I'm not saying we know everything.
My job is so much morecomplicated than it was before
we started this.
Josh (12:03):
No, I'm not saying we know everything about spraying foam.
That's for sure I can tell youabout the equipment.
Jeremiah can probably tell youa heck of a lot more about
real-time spraying than I evercould, because I don't pull the
trigger on a gun very often.
So he might be the guy to talkto about that.
Dan (12:18):
Some days.
What tools, what equipment doyou like to see people carrying
with them?
Or having either the sprayerthat's out there on the end of
the gun or in the rig?
What?
What do you like to seeeverybody to have?
What?
What do you look at and go okay, these guys have it together,
they're going to be efficient,they're going to be safe and
(12:38):
they're going to work their waythrough any problems that may
arise during the work day man, Imean just as far as tools go.
Josh (12:45):
I I mean a nut driver, maybe a blade, maybe a crescent
wrench.
They're not in their backpocket.
I know they know what they'redoing.
You don't need a whole lot towork on these things or to keep
them running, unless you'regoing to start tearing them
apart.
And even that you don't reallyneed special tools or anything.
You can tear these things apartpretty easy.
So I'd say a crescent wrench,nut driver and a blade, you
(13:07):
should be all right.
Dan (13:08):
Yeah, let's keep a drill bit with us too, to clean the
tips out.
Josh (13:12):
That would be helpful.
That, too, that would be nice.
Dan (13:15):
Yeah, you know, a decent pattern in a day does make your
product look just a hair better.
Not at all, not at all.
Never see that, jeremiah, neveronce.
No, exactly.
Josh (13:26):
Well, I might turn it around, jeremiah, what do you
see when you're in the fieldthat you think you need, like
when you're spraying every day?
I mean, is there anything that?
Jeremiah (13:33):
Common sense.
I'm kidding, that's asavailable as data and listening.
Dan (13:39):
That's why I was laughing.
Jeremiah (13:41):
I mean, like I said, the basics.
I agree, you don't need a lot.
You know the basic tools a nutdriver, your knife, your drill
bit.
You know your safety glasses,your respirator.
There's not a lot that you needto do this job correctly, and
that's the funny part.
You know gloves and stuff likethat, ppe, but, like I said,
(14:04):
it's, and when you don't havethose little things like gloves
or a nut driver, your day isdefinitely a situation right.
So it's, it's just making sureyou have that stuff before you
leave the shop at the beginningof the day.
You know, um, and, like I said,I laugh.
But yeah, common sense, man,quite honestly, if it's 110
outside, you bring water.
You know things like that.
Um, you know, and just makingsure that you have everything
(14:26):
before you get to the job site,because, like any engineering
control, it doesn't do you anygood to figure it out once
you're there.
You know making sure you havethe list of things that you need
for that day before you go,because otherwise you can't work
efficiently.
Josh (14:40):
Well, I'll tell you.
I mean, this is not equipmentrelated at all.
This is just a situation thathappened in my house this year.
I had a guy come out to replacemy hot water heater.
Went out in the middle ofsummer, whatever.
So he comes out to replace itand uh, it's, you know, one
o'clock in the afternoon.
We're in Arizona.
It's 120 degrees outside.
(15:00):
I said, look, man, just comeback another day If you want no
big deal.
He's like no, no, I'll fine.
Well, to your point, comeprepared.
So this guy come out.
30 minutes later he's passedout in my backyard.
Oh yeah, yeah.
And I'm like, oh crap, like, oh, no, like, to your point, we've
got a situation now.
So.
So, yes, come prepared.
And man, just to have all theright stuff before you start the
job, otherwise you're going toend up in a hospital like this
(15:22):
guy passed out in someone'sbackyard.
I felt so terrible.
What can you do?
I mean, he just wouldn't takeno for an answer, right yeah.
Dan (15:31):
Sometimes stubborn does not work to your favor.
No, yeah, it's a hardrealization for me a lot of days
.
Yeah, some of the other stuff.
I go back to the stuff thatcost me tons of money Hoses.
What do you guys recommend?
What do you want to see peopledoing with their hoses, not only
to keep from there being aproblem, but keep guys safe
(15:52):
around them?
I mean, I'm so picky aboutwhere they're laid out because I
don't even want people trippingover them.
Heck, I don't want peoplestanding near my hoses because
I'm so worried about having toreplace them.
Josh (16:02):
Yeah, Well, that'd be a question I'd have for you.
So what fails on the hose foryou, or what's the problem area
for hoses?
Because I mean, I know just thesimple stuff of you, know
larger loops, you know don'twrap it up super tight, kinks,
that kind of thing.
But what kind of stuff do youguys run into when you're using
stuff out in the field?
Is it kinking, or what's thebig problem?
Dan (16:20):
for you, of course.
And again, I everybody thatworks around me in our company
always thinks I'm the biggesta-hole on the planet because I
am so picky about where thosehoses go.
Um, sharp edges drive me crazyif somebody lays a hose over a
sharp curb or whatever.
(16:43):
Yeah, exactly, there's some.
You know, a framer left a boardwith some nails in it and we're
running right along beside that, or you know those kinds of
things.
Um pinch points we're alwaysworried about with those, um
yeah, this time of year tryingto find shade, you know, trying
(17:04):
to tuck those hoses in the shadeSometimes with the old, old,
the foam, for we pulled out tomake sure the Sunday and get to
it.
Jeremiah (17:09):
Just don't warm up too much, there you go.
Dan (17:12):
Yeah, you know things like that, of course, wrapping the
hose back up, like you said, bigloops in it.
Don't put connectors on top ofthe dog ear and your hose, dog
ear and your hose and notpulling it off.
Yeah, unwind, you get yelled atby Jeremiah for doing it.
Jeremiah (17:28):
Don't yell.
Dan (17:29):
I make recommendations in a very direct voice In a firm
manner With confidence, withconfidence, that's right, you
know, and, like you said, kinksin the hose.
Roll those things out, I don'tcare if they're all the way back
at the proportion, or roll itout.
Yeah, you're just going toannoy me all day because I know
(17:51):
it's there.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Josh (17:58):
Well, to the skin injection point.
I mean, I know we talk aboutthe gun being the problem.
A lot of times I have seen skininjection injury from a hose
actually going over a tack strip, popping a hole, and what was
his first inclination was tograb the hose from stop for
leaking.
Well, that's the worst thingyou can do.
You're putting yourself rightin the wheelhouse to get it
injected.
So yeah, not only the gun butalso the hoses.
If you have a hose break, don'tgrab it, Just don't have to let
it bleed out.
Unfortunately, hit the stop,Shut the valve.
(18:18):
There you go.
Jeremiah (18:28):
That's it.
No wrists, wrist injuries, wearand tear on your hands.
Well, like I said we weretalking about the other day
about whips.
Fatigue's a big thing in ourindustry.
You know.
You're working day in and dayout doing the same movements
over and over again, so everylittle bit helps, right.
So whips are important, notonly because it's easier to use,
but also for your fatigue andfor your longevity in this
industry.
It makes it easier and safer aswell.
(18:51):
Like I said, that little bit ofhose is a lot easier to wrangle
than another 50 feet, right?
So it's easier to wrangle anice little whip than it is a
50-foot section of hose thatyou're going to be fighting the
whole time.
Dan (19:03):
And I believe Graco sells those.
We have all different sizes ofwhips for your needs.
Josh (19:09):
Absolutely.
Dan (19:11):
Someone has something for you.
Someone has those.
Talk to your local distributorand get a whip on the end of
your own.
If you don't have one, go getit today, please.
Josh (19:19):
I will say when it comes to whips, there are longer whips
now that we have that a lot ofguys don't know are available
and that helps keep thatconnection point further down on
the ground so you're notholding that up in the air so
that leads to your fatigue thatwe were talking about.
So the shorter whips you mightnotice more fatigue than the 20
foot whip that actually has thatheavier portion laying on the
ground.
Jeremiah (19:36):
That's just a little thing, yeah well, all the little
stuff adds up and so you know,a lot of some of the new guys
don't realize, like all theselittle things, like I'm I'm not
going to take the time or Idon't want to spend a little bit
of extras.
Like these all add up toefficiency and like the your day
being just a little bit easier.
And you know, instead offighting it right, especially at
the end of the day when you'retired and frustrated, possibly
(19:57):
you don't want to be fightingthe equipment that's supposed to
make your job easier.
For sure, yeah.
Dan (20:05):
And any, any steps, signs, anything that guys ought to take
in a day that you see that'sjust going to make things better
, not only for the day, theworkday they have ahead of them,
but the work week, the month,the year, the career.
What have you run into?
I mean, you have to run intosome stuff that's like this is
(20:26):
the biggest disaster I've everseen.
These guys don't have anothertwo months in them.
And then you probably see someguys you're like, yeah, this is
a clean operation, this isawesome.
Josh (20:41):
I'll tell you.
I guess if you made me say onething, it would be having extras
of things.
So in other words, if you're ona job and you know downtime is
going to be a problem, have anextra gun ready to go.
Don't even think about it, justhave it there.
Just in case your gun has anissue, just swap it out.
That way you can go deal withthe issue later, as opposed to
tearing your gun apart rightthere on the spot for two hours
and you're down for two hours.
You're wasting time and money.
Just have spares of things inyour truck already ready to go,
(21:07):
already ready to go.
I think you'd save yourself aton of money in the long run by
doing that, as opposed toshutting down for the day, going
back to the shop, taking it allapart, coming out tomorrow
doing it again.
You have already wasted so muchtime and extra resources you
probably didn't need.
But it's just having that extrabackup ready to go Now.
I mean we have like ProConnectgun, for example.
That's got easy.
You know, easy swap out.
You can basically swap out thewhole gun in a minute.
(21:27):
That's fine.
But again, just having thatextra ready to go is huge and I
think it's going to help you alot going forward in business in
general, just because you'renot going to have customers that
are frustrated.
They're expecting the job to bedone that day and you're coming
back two days, three days, fourdays.
It just drags on.
So if you can have backups,then it's going to help.
Dan (21:47):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, that makes a heck of a difference.
Little kiddo rings here andthere.
Jeremiah (21:53):
Spare parts make your job easier.
Dan (21:57):
Gosh common sense listening , data and spare parts.
Jeremiah (22:01):
Yeah, we're creating an egg of a list today it's
rocket science.
Josh (22:04):
Now it's a business plan.
Dan (22:07):
Now man, some people might succeed today after this one.
I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what.
Josh (22:13):
No, and I do run into guys that do it right too.
I mean, I'm not going toeveryone who doesn't do it right
necessarily, but there'sdefinitely, you know, people
that do it right and have allthe spares.
Oddly enough, I never hear fromthose guys and I like to hear
from those guys.
So feel free to call me ifyou're doing it right, I don't
mind that.
Dan (22:26):
Yeah, when you're done two hours before the other guy, give
me a shout.
Josh (22:30):
Yeah, say hello.
I appreciate the guys thatwheel.
Dan (22:37):
Right.
Josh (22:37):
But we do appreciate those guys, no question, and we have
a lot of those guys too that dofield tests for us and stuff
like that, and they're a greatresource for, like you said,
information and all that.
They give us all that and thatallows us to make better
products going forward.
So we appreciate the guys thatdo it, right.
Dan (22:59):
All right, so, yeah, all right, so, yeah, okay.
So we'd like to go throughevery one of these, josh, and
just put a call to action outthere.
What do you want to see peopledo?
We may have already talkedabout it three or four times,
but let's just ram, you know,come right back around, make a
full circle here, give us thecall to action that we need to
(23:21):
give out to all of our, all ofour phone families today.
Josh (23:24):
All right.
So the first thing I'd say isjust be aware of the safety
protocols.
Whether that's skin injection,whether that's power, you know
electricity, make sure you'rejust aware of what's around you.
Just be aware of what's aroundyou.
I think that's a big thing.
Maintenance stuff, throat seal,which please change it, that's
all I ask.
Just change it, Even if it'severy like to Jeremiah's point
every week, fine, just change it.
(23:45):
You're going to save yourselfso much headache going forward.
That's a big one.
Even maintenance on the gun,greasing the gun, that's another
one we didn't necessarily hiton, but that's going to also
save you Next time you go to useit.
It's going to also save younext time you go to use it.
It's going to work right, andso that's what we want you to do
there.
Can't think of what else wewere hitting on.
That's the big ones, I guess.
(24:07):
Or as far as the maintenancegoes, Jeremiah.
Jeremiah (24:12):
Well, same things, you guys, these little things that
take minutes to do, you know,change the TSL, take a minute to
prepare yourself, you know, andmake sure that preventative
maintenance is done, cause, onceagain, I keep saying it and
I'll repeat it till my lastbreath is like if you don't take
time for maintenance, it willtake time for you, and you take
a minute now or you're going totake hours later.
(24:33):
Trust me, I've done every everyother week I'm on a rig that if
the guys would have taken fiveminutes to take care of their
equipment months ahead of time,or done one thing every week, we
would be sitting there wastingthousands of dollars and fixing
equipment.
It's really that simple Takecare of it, it will take care of
you.
It's nothing more complicatedthan that.
Dan (24:54):
I think if one or two guys would take the time to on a
regular interval whether it beevery Monday morning or
something to just walk throughthe equipment and look it over.
Yeah, you know, if you have totouch it to know, like, OK, this
hose is not leaking, this isgood.
(25:15):
I mean just something, ofcourse, with it all turned off,
Not turned on, please.
But you know that first day ofthe week when the hose is strung
out, just walk the hose andlook at it.
Instead of I strung the hoseout, I'm getting ready for it.
Just glance down everythingonce.
Take five minutes.
If there's no problems, thenyou're running.
(25:36):
If there's a problem starting,you're at the perfect time to
make a call or fix it yourself,if you're capable.
Jeremiah (25:43):
It's like there's a list that you can have, it's you
know, for prevent maintenance,really Prevented maintenance
list.
I wonder if that's in thecheckboxes and stuff where you
might be in the books.
Josh (25:55):
It's definitely in the manuals.
Dan (25:56):
It's somewhere.
Jeremiah (25:58):
If you bought your equipment used, look online,
they're all there, I know, Iknow Myself has one, Any tech I
know has their own Like.
Once again, ask the question,guys.
Like there is, I make jokes,but there is preventative
maintenance checkboxes andsheets you can print out for
your rig, you can get from yourmanufacturers, your equipment
suppliers, your distributors,like we all have them.
Once again, you have to ask thequestions because we're not.
(26:21):
You know we have all this stuffbut we can't, you know, reach
out to everyone all the time.
So if you need it, once again,guys, ask the questions.
Right.
Dan (26:28):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Okay, if you need any help onthis, sprayfoammafia at gmailcom
is our email.
Feel free to email us.
Uh, josh, we'll get yourcontact info.
We'll post that up there.
Get old Josh, jeremiah, getanybody.
Please, don't be afraid to askfor help.
We're not here to shame you.
We laugh and joke about thingshere, but we are here to help
(26:50):
you.
That's the whole point ofeverything that we're doing.
So, heck, go onto our Facebookpage spray foam mafia Um, ask a
question there.
Um, there's so many otherresources out there.
Spray foam mafia um, ask aquestion there.
Um, there's so many otherresources out there.
Spray foam worldwide.
Um, your neighbor, you knowyour neighbor contractor.
He's probably had the sameproblem you're having today and
can probably tell you how to fixit.
Um, but I again walk yourequipment.
(27:13):
Look at it.
Look for frayed wires, look forcoatings missing, look for
guards that are missing.
Put the guards back on whenyou're done working on it,
please.
There you go, um, uh, yeah,josh, you got anything else
pretty hard today.
Josh (27:31):
Um, another great source that's out there that I mean
everyone knows at youtube.
I mean you'd be surprised.
There's all kinds of EvenGraco's got a whole channel on
YouTube for maintenance and howto clean a gun and tearing down
lowers, and they have all thatinformation out there.
So don't be shy to go, justtype it in a search box.
You'll find it.
And if you don't or havetrouble finding it, reach out to
one of us.
We're definitely here for you.
(27:52):
We love to hear from you.
Usually I know Jeremiah's onthe road a lot.
I'm on the road a lot.
Sometimes.
We don't mind talking to peoplewhen we're on the road, so feel
free to give us a shout If youhave questions.
Don't be shy.
Dan (28:02):
And you know, coming from a contractor that has just had to
slowly build things up as cashflow is available, start buying
parts to build up your spare gun, if you have to.
If you can't go out and buy awhole new gun, get an extra
fluid head, get some extra sideseals, get an extra mixing
(28:23):
chambers.
If you do it, at the end of ayear you're going to have a dang
near a whole gun sitting thereready to be put together for you
.
Agreed, and it doesn't have tobe a whole cash outlay at one
time.
And I don't know anydistributor that's going to look
at you and go no, you've got tobuy the whole thing, right?
No, yeah, but if that helps,the guys that are kind of
(28:44):
working their way along have tocount every dollar.
You'll get there.
Yeah, it'll take some time, butyou'll get there, and once
you're there, you'll wonder howthe hell you ever made it
without it.
For sure, there you go.
All right, awesome Again, josh,thank you.
We sure appreciate your time.
Josh (29:00):
Thank you guys for having me.
I appreciate it.
Dan (29:03):
Yeah, good stuff.
Yeah, next week, watch out foranother episode.
We'll be dropping them everyweek.
Sprayfoammafia at gmailcom.
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Welcome to another episode of Toolbox Talks on safety for
the spray foam industry.
I'm Dan Benedict, Spray FoamArizona.
Jeremiah (00:12):
I'm Jeremiah Schoenberg, technician for UPC.
Dan (00:15):
Today we're talking equipment safety with Josh
Carney from Graco.
Josh, tell us a little bitabout yourself.
Give us your background, allthat good stuff.
Josh (00:23):
Yeah, sure.
So I've been with graco about20 years now.
Um, I've started in thecontractor equipment side, which
is basically like your airlesspaint sprayers for homes,
buildings, that kind of thing.
I've worked with texturemachines, line striping machines
, pretty much a lot of differentequipment that graco's made
over the years.
Um, and now I'm in the foam andpolyureal world.
(00:44):
So I've kind of made a fullcircle here and been around
equipment a long time.
Dan (00:48):
Just talking equipment safety.
We're all running this stuff,that's, you know, pumping
pressures of all kinds of stuff,from low pressure to high
pressure, depending on what yourversion of low pressure and
high pressure is Gosh.
There's electrical hazards togo with this.
There's chemical injectionissues that could happen, you
(01:10):
name it.
There's all kinds of stuff thatyou need to watch out for on
this.
So, joshua, what do you see?
Why are we talking about thistoday?
What have you run into?
What's your biggest fear?
Josh (01:22):
Good question, Biggest fear.
Well, I can show you somepictures I'll show these guys in
the studio real quick here ofprobably my biggest fear, which
is injection injury.
And that's not as prevalent onthe foam side, because we're
running at 1,200 to 2,000 PSI,but you start talking about the
protective coating equipment andsome of the other stuff.
It's high pressure and that canreally do some damage to, I
(01:45):
mean, skin.
Injection is the big one for me.
The reason why that is is thatif you get injected it doesn't
even look that bad when ithappens.
So guys usually have a tendencyjust to wrap it up and finish
the day.
That's the absolute worst thingyou can do.
The longer you wait, the morechemical is getting coated on
your muscles and your innerworkings of your body and the
more they got to slice you openand scrub.
(02:05):
So, like I say, I'll show you apicture I don't like.
Jeremiah (02:08):
slice open and scrub.
Josh (02:09):
That doesn't sound no uh-uh, so I'll just show these
guys in the studio an example.
Dan (02:15):
This actually was a guy in Phoenix that happened to and he
injected his finger and he justwrapped it up and finished the
day.
Josh (02:23):
Oh no, it doesn't look that bad it just looks like a
pinprick when you do it.
Yeah, and so he finished up theday.
He woke up in the middle of thenight with his hand completely
swollen like that and obviouslyknew there was a problem.
And so he went to the hospitaland they just basically you can
see from that picture filletedthem open and started scrubbing.
Jeremiah (02:38):
And that's how guys yes, it looks like it's put
together from pieces thatshouldn't be.
Let's see.
Dan (02:46):
Is this a picture you can share with us so we can put it
up on?
Josh (02:48):
the link For sure, 100%, so the guys can see it 100%.
Boy, if you see this, you'renever going to go without a pair
of gloves the rest of your life.
So it's just one actuallyremoves.
Know that there's a, there's arisk involved when you do that.
All that stuff is there for areason and uh, meant to use it.
Dan (03:10):
keep you safe equipment side of things.
When you walk up to acontractor's rig or you know
stationary equipment, whatever,what's the most common thing?
You see that bothers you.
What's you know?
Is there one, or is there five,or what do you run into a lot.
Josh (03:26):
I would say on the, uh, the foam equipment, the number
one thing and I I know it's apain but TSL fluid.
If you just change that TSLfluid, man, you will save
yourself so much headache overtime.
It's ridiculous.
But the first thing I do is Iwalk up and I see it's either
completely locked up or it'smilky.
Either way, it's time to changeit.
Um, but guys, just it's anextra step.
(03:47):
I guess I don't like it.
It's better to do it more thannot enough.
Jeremiah (03:50):
I'll tell you that yeah, I, I gotta agree.
Yeah, you get on that rig andthe first thing you see is a cup
full of paste.
You kind of know how the day isgoing to go.
You know it's.
It's one of those pet peeves.
When you see it, it you're likeall right, guys, let's start
start back a little bit here.
Dan (04:06):
Yeah, what else you got there?
Josh (04:08):
I'll see.
So TSL is one um.
Just gun maintenance in general, I think that's another big one
.
Just using grease, um, which Idon't know if everyone knows or
not, but we got away from thewhite grease is gone, it's all
the clear grease now, um, so youcan make sure you're just
greasing your gun.
That'll help you in the longrun as well.
Other than that, tsl fluid inyour transfer pumps, I mean a
(04:28):
lot of guys don't know you needto get a little squirt of that
in the transfer pumps.
That'll help too.
But that's a big one for me isTSL fluid.
I mean everything else is moreor less just a maintenance thing
, that you'll see clean rigs,you'll see dirty rigs and, to
Jeremiah's point, you'll knowwhen you're walking into a
situation.
It's usually not a clean rig,I'll tell you that that is true.
Dan (04:52):
Other hazards to safety that you see more common than
not.
Josh (04:59):
Big or small.
Yeah, I mean on the spray foamside, like I say, the injection
thing is not as big a deal.
Dan (05:10):
Until you see that picture of that guy's hand's hand.
Yeah, I keep having to stare atit and I'm like I I think it's
a big deal, man.
It's now a huge deal in ourworld.
Josh (05:14):
I mean, as far as other safety stuff mainly it's just
ppe, uh, ppe protection andmaking sure you got fresh air
and and that kind of stuff thatthat's probably the other one
that you don't, other one thatneeds to be addressed, but other
than that there's really not aton of big safety concerns
outside of that with theequipment side anyway, Mic stand
.
Dan (05:32):
Safety seems to be an issue .
Today.
He's seen him whack himselfwith a microphone twice already.
Jeremiah (05:38):
Head protection when you're doing a podcast.
Josh (05:39):
Give him a hard hat.
We didn't plan on this.
There we go, we're back up.
Now we're back up.
We get to give them a hard hat.
We need to plan on this.
Yeah, there we go.
We're back up.
Now we're back up.
Dan (05:45):
We get to all the time is why do we need this?
Why do we need to talk about it?
And, like I said, we're dealingwith all different facets of
energy when it comes to thisequipment, so why do we need to
talk about it?
Josh (06:00):
As far as safety goes, yeah, I mean obviously.
Obviously you're dealing withvoltages and electricity and all
that kind of stuff.
So you've got to make sureeverything's grounded properly
and when you're working onsomething within the rig, make
sure all the power to it isturned off.
That's obviously the otherconcern outside of injection
would be getting electrocuted.
That's a huge one.
So that would be the twobiggies in my mind would be skin
(06:24):
injection and the electricitypart of it.
So obviously, when you'reworking on stuff, just make sure
everything's no powers toanything, and that's not just
with our equipment, that's atyour house anywhere, right?
If you're going to work on aplug at your house, god's sakes,
hopefully.
Yeah, breakers turned off sookay.
Dan (06:37):
So yeah, back to the back to the like the tsl, yeah, okay,
outside of just graco'srecommendations, which I'm sure
you know, those to a t, what doyou tell everybody, even if they
are not running the good bluestuff for tsl changes?
Josh (06:56):
just regular tsl stuff.
I mean it's pretty easy.
I mean, just when it becomesmilky, it's time to change it.
That's it.
I mean there's nothing morethan that.
There's no magic amount, nomagic day.
I mean, if you can get on a setschedule of every month, you
take a look and change out,great, that's good news.
But you know, some people wouldargue I'm wasting money by
doing it that way.
Maybe, but you're also savingyourself money with any kind of
(07:17):
maintenance stuff going forward.
But I would say, when it turnsmilky, change it.
That's it.
Super simple, not hard, justchange it it's about a week dan
it's about a week.
Dan (07:27):
That's what I'm thinking.
Jeremiah (07:28):
It's I mean, I see it in the field.
I mean it's, if you're runninga normal work day, five days a
week, I can promise you thatnext minute you come back it's a
little milky.
Yeah, it needs to be changedout, um, because it's not far
off.
You let it go in a couple moredays, it starts to get a little
pasty and then then it starts toclog your lines and then you
got a wet cup problem.
And then, instead of a littletiny bottle of TSL, you're
(07:49):
having us come out to replace anentire wet cup system which has
you down for three to fourhours and costs a couple hundred
dollars, and then you're notgetting your job done.
So it's like Josh said, alittle prevent maintenance on
the front end is going to saveyou time and money on the back
end.
So I, like I said I found aboutit, once a week you check it
and if it's milky you change itout.
Dan (08:06):
It's pretty simple and take some paper towels and wipe that
stupid jar out yeah, especiallyif it's pasty.
Jeremiah (08:13):
Yeah, don't just try and dump it out and leave
everything in there, becausejust clean the day.
Dan (08:16):
Clean the day.
Yeah, you're that far into it.
It's like if you change the oilin your car and you leave the
old filter in, you're like, yeah, this is good enough, right
yeah?
It's new oil.
Yeah, it's new oil.
It'll pick up the other stuff.
Josh (08:28):
Yeah, it'll be good, good point, good point.
Dan (08:31):
Yeah.
Josh (08:33):
No.
So I think there's other stuffas far as the equipment goes too
.
That's there for good reason.
Like we have all kinds of datareporting on new equipment.
They can tell you alarm codes,they can tell you what you're
doing right, how on ratio youare.
All that stuff is there.
You don't have to use it, butyou can access it.
So, like Reactor Connect, forexample we came out with that a
couple of years ago you canaccess all kinds of material
(08:54):
that can help you withtroubleshooting your machine too
.
So all that stuff's there.
Now some people might say, yeah,it's a waste of money, I don't
need all that.
Maybe, but there are guys thatuse it and, even more
importantly than you using it,we have a tech team at Graco.
When you call in, they canaccess all that reporting and
tell you what's going on withyour rig.
Super simple, super quickbecause they have all the data,
as opposed to just guessing atit from what you're telling them
(09:16):
.
They can actually go into thelog and look OK, you got an
alarm here, this is what's goingon.
So there's a lot of fail-safesout there that a lot of people
may not know of that you can use, and Greco's got a great tech
team that you can call anytimeto troubleshoot it for you.
Jeremiah (09:29):
Really, Dang data information helps you
troubleshoot.
Wow Weird.
Dan (09:34):
Weird.
You don't preach that toanybody ever, no, never, never,
never, never, no, I don't saythat to a soul ever.
Josh (09:46):
You have nothing and you want me to fix it?
Oh okay, no problem, let me getright on.
But that's just one of thosethings that Greco is trying to
help people in the field andtechnical teams and everyone do
their job more efficiently andspray foam more efficiently.
That's the whole goal toimprove the industry going
forward and give people a way totrack it and you know, like new
home builders, for example,they want to see how much foam
you sprayed on a particular job.
You can get all that data, youcan track it, you can print out
(10:08):
a report, show the guy.
So there's a lot of things outthere that are available, that
maybe guys don't use or aren'taware of, but there's a lot of
information there for you.
And that's what Greco's tryingto do is just push the industry
forward, going forward.
Dan (10:20):
So let's go to the next step for keeping these guys safe
and stuff.
How would the boots on theground guy, your sprayers, your
hose tenders?
What do you want them to lookat when they start their day,
every day?
Or maybe when they take a breakfor lunch and they're about to
fire up again in the afternoon?
What do you want them to glanceat?
(10:42):
What do you want them to glanceat?
Josh (10:49):
What little keys should they be looking for.
That might stop a problempartway through the next session
of spraying.
I don't necessarily knowanything in particular.
I mean it's kind of the bigstuff If you notice things are
going off ratio, you're startingto get B-side heavy or whatever
the case may be.
No-transcript, and that'sanother thing.
With the Reactor Connectportion you can actually see all
that data on your phone realtime as you're spraying so you
can see if one of your pressuresis dropping or something's
(11:10):
getting out of whack.
You can see all that.
So I don't know that it's anyone thing in particular, but
just keep an eye on the machine,make sure it's running right.
That's really, at the end ofthe day, it's not terribly hard.
And I would say one thing we dosee sometimes is you'll start
to get alarms and they'll go inand adjust it so they don't get
that alarm anymore.
Well, it's telling you you'vegot a problem.
(11:31):
Now if you take that out of theequation and cut it, you know,
cut it you're just going tospray bad foam, and that's what
we don't want and that's why allthose alarms are actually there
.
They might seem like they'renuances from time to time, but
they're actually there to stopyou from spraying because it's
telling you you're not sprayinggood foam anymore and that has
all kinds of implications pastthat.
So we're trying to stop you iswhat we're trying to do.
Dan (11:51):
And so far today I've learned I need data and I have
to listen.
Yes, yes Dan.
Josh (11:59):
And.
Dan (11:59):
I'm not saying we know everything.
My job is so much morecomplicated than it was before
we started this.
Josh (12:03):
No, I'm not saying we know everything about spraying foam.
That's for sure I can tell youabout the equipment.
Jeremiah can probably tell youa heck of a lot more about
real-time spraying than I evercould, because I don't pull the
trigger on a gun very often.
So he might be the guy to talkto about that.
Dan (12:18):
Some days.
What tools, what equipment doyou like to see people carrying
with them?
Or having either the sprayerthat's out there on the end of
the gun or in the rig?
What?
What do you like to seeeverybody to have?
What?
What do you look at and go okay, these guys have it together,
they're going to be efficient,they're going to be safe and
(12:38):
they're going to work their waythrough any problems that may
arise during the work day man, Imean just as far as tools go.
Josh (12:45):
I I mean a nut driver, maybe a blade, maybe a crescent
wrench.
They're not in their backpocket.
I know they know what they'redoing.
You don't need a whole lot towork on these things or to keep
them running, unless you'regoing to start tearing them
apart.
And even that you don't reallyneed special tools or anything.
You can tear these things apartpretty easy.
So I'd say a crescent wrench,nut driver and a blade, you
(13:07):
should be all right.
Dan (13:08):
Yeah, let's keep a drill bit with us too, to clean the
tips out.
Josh (13:12):
That would be helpful.
That, too, that would be nice.
Dan (13:15):
Yeah, you know, a decent pattern in a day does make your
product look just a hair better.
Not at all, not at all.
Never see that, jeremiah, neveronce.
No, exactly.
Josh (13:26):
Well, I might turn it around, jeremiah, what do you
see when you're in the fieldthat you think you need, like
when you're spraying every day?
I mean, is there anything that?
Jeremiah (13:33):
Common sense.
I'm kidding, that's asavailable as data and listening.
Dan (13:39):
That's why I was laughing.
Jeremiah (13:41):
I mean, like I said, the basics.
I agree, you don't need a lot.
You know the basic tools a nutdriver, your knife, your drill
bit.
You know your safety glasses,your respirator.
There's not a lot that you needto do this job correctly, and
that's the funny part.
You know gloves and stuff likethat, ppe, but, like I said,
(14:04):
it's, and when you don't havethose little things like gloves
or a nut driver, your day isdefinitely a situation right.
So it's, it's just making sureyou have that stuff before you
leave the shop at the beginningof the day.
You know, um, and, like I said,I laugh.
But yeah, common sense, man,quite honestly, if it's 110
outside, you bring water.
You know things like that.
Um, you know, and just makingsure that you have everything
(14:26):
before you get to the job site,because, like any engineering
control, it doesn't do you anygood to figure it out once
you're there.
You know making sure you havethe list of things that you need
for that day before you go,because otherwise you can't work
efficiently.
Josh (14:40):
Well, I'll tell you.
I mean, this is not equipmentrelated at all.
This is just a situation thathappened in my house this year.
I had a guy come out to replacemy hot water heater.
Went out in the middle ofsummer, whatever.
So he comes out to replace itand uh, it's, you know, one
o'clock in the afternoon.
We're in Arizona.
It's 120 degrees outside.
(15:00):
I said, look, man, just comeback another day If you want no
big deal.
He's like no, no, I'll fine.
Well, to your point, comeprepared.
So this guy come out.
30 minutes later he's passedout in my backyard.
Oh yeah, yeah.
And I'm like, oh crap, like, oh, no, like, to your point, we've
got a situation now.
So.
So, yes, come prepared.
And man, just to have all theright stuff before you start the
job, otherwise you're going toend up in a hospital like this
(15:22):
guy passed out in someone'sbackyard.
I felt so terrible.
What can you do?
I mean, he just wouldn't takeno for an answer, right yeah.
Dan (15:31):
Sometimes stubborn does not work to your favor.
No, yeah, it's a hardrealization for me a lot of days
.
Yeah, some of the other stuff.
I go back to the stuff thatcost me tons of money Hoses.
What do you guys recommend?
What do you want to see peopledoing with their hoses, not only
to keep from there being aproblem, but keep guys safe
(15:52):
around them?
I mean, I'm so picky aboutwhere they're laid out because I
don't even want people trippingover them.
Heck, I don't want peoplestanding near my hoses because
I'm so worried about having toreplace them.
Josh (16:02):
Yeah, Well, that'd be a question I'd have for you.
So what fails on the hose foryou, or what's the problem area
for hoses?
Because I mean, I know just thesimple stuff of you, know
larger loops, you know don'twrap it up super tight, kinks,
that kind of thing.
But what kind of stuff do youguys run into when you're using
stuff out in the field?
Is it kinking, or what's thebig problem?
Dan (16:20):
for you, of course.
And again, I everybody thatworks around me in our company
always thinks I'm the biggesta-hole on the planet because I
am so picky about where thosehoses go.
Um, sharp edges drive me crazyif somebody lays a hose over a
sharp curb or whatever.
(16:43):
Yeah, exactly, there's some.
You know, a framer left a boardwith some nails in it and we're
running right along beside that, or you know those kinds of
things.
Um pinch points we're alwaysworried about with those, um
yeah, this time of year tryingto find shade, you know, trying
(17:04):
to tuck those hoses in the shadeSometimes with the old, old,
the foam, for we pulled out tomake sure the Sunday and get to
it.
Jeremiah (17:09):
Just don't warm up too much, there you go.
Dan (17:12):
Yeah, you know things like that, of course, wrapping the
hose back up, like you said, bigloops in it.
Don't put connectors on top ofthe dog ear and your hose, dog
ear and your hose and notpulling it off.
Yeah, unwind, you get yelled atby Jeremiah for doing it.
Jeremiah (17:28):
Don't yell.
Dan (17:29):
I make recommendations in a very direct voice In a firm
manner With confidence, withconfidence, that's right, you
know, and, like you said, kinksin the hose.
Roll those things out, I don'tcare if they're all the way back
at the proportion, or roll itout.
Yeah, you're just going toannoy me all day because I know
(17:51):
it's there.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Josh (17:58):
Well, to the skin injection point.
I mean, I know we talk aboutthe gun being the problem.
A lot of times I have seen skininjection injury from a hose
actually going over a tack strip, popping a hole, and what was
his first inclination was tograb the hose from stop for
leaking.
Well, that's the worst thingyou can do.
You're putting yourself rightin the wheelhouse to get it
injected.
So yeah, not only the gun butalso the hoses.
If you have a hose break, don'tgrab it, Just don't have to let
it bleed out.
Unfortunately, hit the stop,Shut the valve.
(18:18):
There you go.
Jeremiah (18:28):
That's it.
No wrists, wrist injuries, wearand tear on your hands.
Well, like I said we weretalking about the other day
about whips.
Fatigue's a big thing in ourindustry.
You know.
You're working day in and dayout doing the same movements
over and over again, so everylittle bit helps, right.
So whips are important, notonly because it's easier to use,
but also for your fatigue andfor your longevity in this
industry.
It makes it easier and safer aswell.
(18:51):
Like I said, that little bit ofhose is a lot easier to wrangle
than another 50 feet, right?
So it's easier to wrangle anice little whip than it is a
50-foot section of hose thatyou're going to be fighting the
whole time.
Dan (19:03):
And I believe Graco sells those.
We have all different sizes ofwhips for your needs.
Josh (19:09):
Absolutely.
Dan (19:11):
Someone has something for you.
Someone has those.
Talk to your local distributorand get a whip on the end of
your own.
If you don't have one, go getit today, please.
Josh (19:19):
I will say when it comes to whips, there are longer whips
now that we have that a lot ofguys don't know are available
and that helps keep thatconnection point further down on
the ground so you're notholding that up in the air so
that leads to your fatigue thatwe were talking about.
So the shorter whips you mightnotice more fatigue than the 20
foot whip that actually has thatheavier portion laying on the
ground.
Jeremiah (19:36):
That's just a little thing, yeah well, all the little
stuff adds up and so you know,a lot of some of the new guys
don't realize, like all theselittle things, like I'm I'm not
going to take the time or Idon't want to spend a little bit
of extras.
Like these all add up toefficiency and like the your day
being just a little bit easier.
And you know, instead offighting it right, especially at
the end of the day when you'retired and frustrated, possibly
(19:57):
you don't want to be fightingthe equipment that's supposed to
make your job easier.
For sure, yeah.
Dan (20:05):
And any, any steps, signs, anything that guys ought to take
in a day that you see that'sjust going to make things better
, not only for the day, theworkday they have ahead of them,
but the work week, the month,the year, the career.
What have you run into?
I mean, you have to run intosome stuff that's like this is
(20:26):
the biggest disaster I've everseen.
These guys don't have anothertwo months in them.
And then you probably see someguys you're like, yeah, this is
a clean operation, this isawesome.
Josh (20:41):
I'll tell you.
I guess if you made me say onething, it would be having extras
of things.
So in other words, if you're ona job and you know downtime is
going to be a problem, have anextra gun ready to go.
Don't even think about it, justhave it there.
Just in case your gun has anissue, just swap it out.
That way you can go deal withthe issue later, as opposed to
tearing your gun apart rightthere on the spot for two hours
and you're down for two hours.
You're wasting time and money.
Just have spares of things inyour truck already ready to go,
(21:07):
already ready to go.
I think you'd save yourself aton of money in the long run by
doing that, as opposed toshutting down for the day, going
back to the shop, taking it allapart, coming out tomorrow
doing it again.
You have already wasted so muchtime and extra resources you
probably didn't need.
But it's just having that extrabackup ready to go Now.
I mean we have like ProConnectgun, for example.
That's got easy.
You know, easy swap out.
You can basically swap out thewhole gun in a minute.
(21:27):
That's fine.
But again, just having thatextra ready to go is huge and I
think it's going to help you alot going forward in business in
general, just because you'renot going to have customers that
are frustrated.
They're expecting the job to bedone that day and you're coming
back two days, three days, fourdays.
It just drags on.
So if you can have backups,then it's going to help.
Dan (21:47):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, that makes a heck of a difference.
Little kiddo rings here andthere.
Jeremiah (21:53):
Spare parts make your job easier.
Dan (21:57):
Gosh common sense listening , data and spare parts.
Jeremiah (22:01):
Yeah, we're creating an egg of a list today it's
rocket science.
Josh (22:04):
Now it's a business plan.
Dan (22:07):
Now man, some people might succeed today after this one.
I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what.
Josh (22:13):
No, and I do run into guys that do it right too.
I mean, I'm not going toeveryone who doesn't do it right
necessarily, but there'sdefinitely, you know, people
that do it right and have allthe spares.
Oddly enough, I never hear fromthose guys and I like to hear
from those guys.
So feel free to call me ifyou're doing it right, I don't
mind that.
Dan (22:26):
Yeah, when you're done two hours before the other guy, give
me a shout.
Josh (22:30):
Yeah, say hello.
I appreciate the guys thatwheel.
Dan (22:37):
Right.
Josh (22:37):
But we do appreciate those guys, no question, and we have
a lot of those guys too that dofield tests for us and stuff
like that, and they're a greatresource for, like you said,
information and all that.
They give us all that and thatallows us to make better
products going forward.
So we appreciate the guys thatdo it, right.
Dan (22:59):
All right, so, yeah, all right, so, yeah, okay.
So we'd like to go throughevery one of these, josh, and
just put a call to action outthere.
What do you want to see peopledo?
We may have already talkedabout it three or four times,
but let's just ram, you know,come right back around, make a
full circle here, give us thecall to action that we need to
(23:21):
give out to all of our, all ofour phone families today.
Josh (23:24):
All right.
So the first thing I'd say isjust be aware of the safety
protocols.
Whether that's skin injection,whether that's power, you know
electricity, make sure you'rejust aware of what's around you.
Just be aware of what's aroundyou.
I think that's a big thing.
Maintenance stuff, throat seal,which please change it, that's
all I ask.
Just change it, Even if it'severy like to Jeremiah's point
every week, fine, just change it.
(23:45):
You're going to save yourselfso much headache going forward.
That's a big one.
Even maintenance on the gun,greasing the gun, that's another
one we didn't necessarily hiton, but that's going to also
save you Next time you go to useit.
It's going to also save younext time you go to use it.
It's going to work right, andso that's what we want you to do
there.
Can't think of what else wewere hitting on.
That's the big ones, I guess.
(24:07):
Or as far as the maintenancegoes, Jeremiah.
Jeremiah (24:12):
Well, same things, you guys, these little things that
take minutes to do, you know,change the TSL, take a minute to
prepare yourself, you know, andmake sure that preventative
maintenance is done, cause, onceagain, I keep saying it and
I'll repeat it till my lastbreath is like if you don't take
time for maintenance, it willtake time for you, and you take
a minute now or you're going totake hours later.
(24:33):
Trust me, I've done every everyother week I'm on a rig that if
the guys would have taken fiveminutes to take care of their
equipment months ahead of time,or done one thing every week, we
would be sitting there wastingthousands of dollars and fixing
equipment.
It's really that simple Takecare of it, it will take care of
you.
It's nothing more complicatedthan that.
Dan (24:54):
I think if one or two guys would take the time to on a
regular interval whether it beevery Monday morning or
something to just walk throughthe equipment and look it over.
Yeah, you know, if you have totouch it to know, like, OK, this
hose is not leaking, this isgood.
(25:15):
I mean just something, ofcourse, with it all turned off,
Not turned on, please.
But you know that first day ofthe week when the hose is strung
out, just walk the hose andlook at it.
Instead of I strung the hoseout, I'm getting ready for it.
Just glance down everythingonce.
Take five minutes.
If there's no problems, thenyou're running.
(25:36):
If there's a problem starting,you're at the perfect time to
make a call or fix it yourself,if you're capable.
Jeremiah (25:43):
It's like there's a list that you can have, it's you
know, for prevent maintenance,really Prevented maintenance
list.
I wonder if that's in thecheckboxes and stuff where you
might be in the books.
Josh (25:55):
It's definitely in the manuals.
Dan (25:56):
It's somewhere.
Jeremiah (25:58):
If you bought your equipment used, look online,
they're all there, I know, Iknow Myself has one, Any tech I
know has their own Like.
Once again, ask the question,guys.
Like there is, I make jokes,but there is preventative
maintenance checkboxes andsheets you can print out for
your rig, you can get from yourmanufacturers, your equipment
suppliers, your distributors,like we all have them.
Once again, you have to ask thequestions because we're not.
(26:21):
You know we have all this stuffbut we can't, you know, reach
out to everyone all the time.
So if you need it, once again,guys, ask the questions.
Right.
Dan (26:28):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Okay, if you need any help onthis, sprayfoammafia at gmailcom
is our email.
Feel free to email us.
Uh, josh, we'll get yourcontact info.
We'll post that up there.
Get old Josh, jeremiah, getanybody.
Please, don't be afraid to askfor help.
We're not here to shame you.
We laugh and joke about thingshere, but we are here to help
(26:50):
you.
That's the whole point ofeverything that we're doing.
So, heck, go onto our Facebookpage spray foam mafia Um, ask a
question there.
Um, there's so many otherresources out there.
Spray foam mafia um, ask aquestion there.
Um, there's so many otherresources out there.
Spray foam worldwide.
Um, your neighbor, you knowyour neighbor contractor.
He's probably had the sameproblem you're having today and
can probably tell you how to fixit.
Um, but I again walk yourequipment.
(27:13):
Look at it.
Look for frayed wires, look forcoatings missing, look for
guards that are missing.
Put the guards back on whenyou're done working on it,
please.
There you go, um, uh, yeah,josh, you got anything else
pretty hard today.
Josh (27:31):
Um, another great source that's out there that I mean
everyone knows at youtube.
I mean you'd be surprised.
There's all kinds of EvenGraco's got a whole channel on
YouTube for maintenance and howto clean a gun and tearing down
lowers, and they have all thatinformation out there.
So don't be shy to go, justtype it in a search box.
You'll find it.
And if you don't or havetrouble finding it, reach out to
one of us.
We're definitely here for you.
(27:52):
We love to hear from you.
Usually I know Jeremiah's onthe road a lot.
I'm on the road a lot.
Sometimes.
We don't mind talking to peoplewhen we're on the road, so feel
free to give us a shout If youhave questions.
Don't be shy.
Dan (28:02):
And you know, coming from a contractor that has just had to
slowly build things up as cashflow is available, start buying
parts to build up your spare gun, if you have to.
If you can't go out and buy awhole new gun, get an extra
fluid head, get some extra sideseals, get an extra mixing
(28:23):
chambers.
If you do it, at the end of ayear you're going to have a dang
near a whole gun sitting thereready to be put together for you
.
Agreed, and it doesn't have tobe a whole cash outlay at one
time.
And I don't know anydistributor that's going to look
at you and go no, you've got tobuy the whole thing, right?
No, yeah, but if that helps,the guys that are kind of
(28:44):
working their way along have tocount every dollar.
You'll get there.
Yeah, it'll take some time, butyou'll get there, and once
you're there, you'll wonder howthe hell you ever made it
without it.
For sure, there you go.
All right, awesome Again, josh,thank you.
We sure appreciate your time.
Josh (29:00):
Thank you guys for having me.
I appreciate it.
Dan (29:03):
Yeah, good stuff.
Yeah, next week, watch out foranother episode.
We'll be dropping them everyweek.
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