Send us your Questions for Jeremiah and Dan
Uncover the secrets to maintaining a safe and efficient work environment in the spray foam industry as we engage in a fascinating exchange with Rusty Schrader and Miguel Mora from UPC. Our experts reveal invaluable insights into the critical process of job site evaluations, highlighting how to identify and mitigate potential hazards before they become problems. From inspecting for moisture in metal structures to spotting and addressing trip hazards, you'll learn actionable steps to prepare any site for a seamless and secure spray foam operation.
Navigating the urban landscapes of cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles presents its own set of challenges. We share strategies for effective logistical planning, ensuring your project runs smoothly despite the bustling environment. Discover how pre-planning for parking, obtaining necessary permits, and communicating proactively with local residents can prevent conflicts and minimize disruptions. Our discussion sheds light on innovative safety practices, including the benefits of leaving rigs hooked to trucks and the importance of securing equipment on-site to avoid potential mishaps.
In our final segment, we tackle the delicate balance between productivity and safety in commercial spray jobs, especially when the work involves cumbersome gear and complex site conditions. Hear personal anecdotes and professional insights on using techniques like "spraying by sound" to maintain efficiency without compromising safety. We celebrate the industry's shift towards safety consciousness and commend those who share their experiences to educate others. With practical advice on using scaffolding and ladders safely, we remind all professionals to prioritize their well-being and avoid unnecessary risks to build a safer working environment for everyone.
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Dan (00:01):
All right, welcome back to another episode of Toolbox Talks
on Safety for the Spray FoamIndustry.
New episode we're lining up twospecial guests today.
We got Rusty Schrader andMiguel Mora, both with UPC Guys.
You want to jump on andintroduce yourselves real quick.
Miguel Mora (00:17):
Yeah, so I've been in the spray foam industry for
10 years and you are Rusty.
Dan (00:22):
Go ahead.
No, no, no, no, I was jokingwith you, miguel, you didn't say
your name, Sorry, yeah, yeah,sorry so yeah, I'm Miguel Mora.
Miguel Mora (00:30):
So, yeah, I've been in the spray for wie industry
for a little over 10 years as atech, started working for UPC in
2020.
And I've been there since then.
I did took a year off so Icould go and spray with my
brother and we have our owncompany in Louisiana, but uh,
but yeah.
So I've been pretty much in theuh, yeah, for 10 years almost,
(00:52):
or maybe a little bit over 10years, but, yeah, awesome.
Rusty (00:55):
Rusty, everybody knows me .
My name is Rusty Schrader.
Sorry you have to hear mysqueaky voice on here, but uh, I
started my journey in thisindustry in 1997, then took a
little vacation in Corcoran andthen I came back and been in
this industry ever since,started in the roofing part of
(01:17):
it, took a little break when thehousing market crashed, came
back in 2010 and came back as aspray foam insulator in that
year.
Then you know we were.
I worked for somebody else forseven years and that's that's
when I started my own company2017.
Then took a job with UPC fourmonths ago.
(01:42):
May of this year is when I tooka job with UPC four months ago.
May of this year is when I tooka job with UPC as the West
Coast Technical Supervisor overthere.
Dan (01:54):
Very cool, awesome.
Well, guys, we're glad to haveyou.
Today's topic was job sitesafety, job site walk, job site
evaluation Jeremiah, what do wegot here?
Jeremiah (02:06):
Well, I mean, when it comes to job site safety, it's
like when we're training guys,especially new guys, you try and
tell them you know when youwalk into the job you don't just
pull your hose and start goingat it Like you need to walk into
the job and have a plan toefficiently execute, like the
day's work right.
You don't just walk in andstart working, you walk in and
(02:29):
check stuff out, make sureeverything's as it should,
framing, you know everything'spassed, everything you need done
is done, because once again,you don't want to cover up
someone else's oops, right.
So I mean, it's really from theget, from the time you get to
there in the morning to the timeyou leave at the end of the day
, is you know job site safetyright?
You're trying to plan forsuccess and you know, of course,
not to have any problems.
Dan (02:47):
So Miguel, Rusty, guys, what do you do?
What's your routine?
In a day, you show up on a jobsite at somewhere.
Maybe you quoted that job threeor four months ago and you saw
it a little bit then, but nowit's a whole different world.
Rusty (03:06):
What's your guys' routine ?
What are you looking for,looking for?
Okay, so for me, um, andespecially right now in this
season of the year where we'reactually going into a cooler
season, okay, um, if I quoted ametal building, beginning of
summer, first thing I do when Iget out and check that metal
building is I'll check formoisture on it.
You know, um, then you're goingto walk that building from the
(03:28):
outside to the inside.
Um, you're going to make surethat there's no trip hazards for
your crews.
You know, when you're going in,make sure there's no open gaps
in the concrete on the floors orsomething like that, where your
scaffolding or something likethat's going to fall in.
Um, I did see something fromAnthony Scott Royds in New York,
two days ago I believe, wherehis helper covered up a piece of
(03:54):
wood that had nails stickingout of it with the plastic.
I saw that, okay, that is a bigthing for any crew.
The very first thing you do theI just did the saturday, sunday
first thing I do, you know, isis move everything out.
Everything in the floor comesout of the floor before you put
(04:17):
plastic down.
You know, once you've done your, your exterior, walk around of
the job site and if there istrip hazards or open trenches or
anything like that on the jobsite, obviously you're going to
get your crew together, you'regoing to notify them.
You know of any hazards thatare on the job before you start
it.
Then, before you go in and youprep, clean the floors, you know
(04:38):
like we'll go in, we'll takeeverything out and I may even
bring a blower in, you know andblow everything out before I
even put plastic down.
You know, especially in a metalbuilding, because you need tape
to stick to concrete.
You know you're not usingstaples and stuff like that.
And then, as Jeremiah stated,you know you walk through.
You make sure that the framingthat's been done since you
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looked at the initial job, thejob initially, to the point of
now you're there to spray it.
Maybe you have a bunch ofhidden corners where they've got
, you know, a double King studor something in there that you
have to go in.
You have to pre-drill those soyou can actually get foam in
there, so you don't have a deadair space.
You're not just covering thatup.
Miguel Mora (05:23):
Yeah, yeah.
So the same thing, just likeresta said, making sure that
everything is clean.
You know that the uh contractordid is they did their job, you
know.
Basically, make sure thateverything that it was supposed
to be done, it was done and theinspection was passed and
everything, because, uh, youwant to make sure that you're
(05:43):
not having to stop half of theuh, you're done with the walls
and then you have to stopbecause they didn't do a roof
inspection or anything like that.
Uh, but for the most part, yeah, uh, cleaning your, you know,
your work area is very important.
I have seen many people stepinto or even myself I have to
step into nails that weren'tcovered, or, you know, or
(06:06):
pulling my hose and then it justgets trapped, you know, because
there was wood that was coveredwith nails.
You know things like that thatuh actually matter.
Rusty (06:15):
Um, yeah, before you know it, you gotta.
You gotta pinhole from pullingyour hose around a corner or
something, because it was put ona nail right and it's just cost
you 2500, if not more.
Miguel Mora (06:25):
You know, yeah, so yeah, and just so, make sure
that if there's other peoplethat are not with your crew if
they're, you know, make sure youput barricades or something
like that to block from them.
You know, getting onto your uh,you know your workspace and
then get it over sprayed.
Or also, you know, um uh people, you know bricklayers.
(06:51):
Sometimes they drive their uhwheelbarrows and on top into, on
top of your hose.
So it's just uh, you know.
Yeah, just make sure that allyour equipment is also taken
care of, you know yeah, yeah,out.
Dan (07:04):
The stucco guys are notorious.
Oh, stucco, stucco guys.
It's like their scaffolding'salready in your way to start
with, and then, second on that,they got their wheelbarrow and
they want to go right over thetop of your hose every time.
Rusty (07:15):
I was on a job site in Temecula about a month ago and I
pull up and there's a hoserunning across the road, you
know, because it's a track home.
So they got their rig set uphere and then they got hoses
just run, you know, so they canreach three or four houses
without moving their rig.
And I pull up in front of thehose and park and I turn around
(07:40):
and look and this guy drivesover the hose and parks his
truck.
Oh man, yeah, I politely toldthe guy.
You know, you're really lucky,that wasn't my hose.
Dan (07:53):
Oh, party foul, Jeremiah.
Oh, it's Hunter, hunter, what's?
Jeremiah (07:57):
up.
Should I let him know we'redoing a podcast or put him on?
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Should we put him on?
Put him on, oh shoot, heyHunter podcast or put him on.
Jeremiah (08:05):
Yeah, put him on.
Put him on.
Oh shit, hey, hunter, hey, howyou going?
Sir?
Hey, good man, I just want tolet you know like you're on
speakerphone on a podcast withrusty miguel and a few other
people perfect yes, what do youneed, man?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
uh, basically I was calling because uh got a
customer out in idaho justlooking for a.
They're trying to buy a righere in the next week, week and
a half.
Okay, just looking for somebodythat has one for sale, looking
for a hydraulic machine, butyeah, Okay, yeah, I'll send you
a number as soon as I get offthe phone.
Dan (08:38):
How much has he got to spend?
Oh?
Rusty (08:41):
What's the budget?
Dan (08:43):
What's the budget, man, let's get serious about this
everything's for sale if youjust get the right price.
Like I'll deliver one wrap forthe nice spray foam arizona sign
on.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
You got like four foamers in a room all trying to
make money off.
Dan (09:00):
Yeah, and a rig builder so sorry, man.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, i'm'm with you.
That's the whole point of megiving this phone call, I know.
But yeah, just let me know I'llget the budget and everything.
Jeremiah (09:12):
Okay, well, I'll shoot you a number and he'll be able
to help you out with whateverthat guy needs, for sure.
Dan (09:18):
In the meantime, I'll come up and do some contract work.
What's?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
that Hunter's been been here.
He knows what I do.
Jeremiah (09:22):
I don't think he knows I'm with you, though right now.
I just said I was with you onyour phone, or I don't know if
you're sitting here, sorry, butyeah, all right.
Okay, I'll see, I'll see yournumber and he'll he'll help you
out, all right.
Dan (09:35):
Thanks, man I have no idea where we were at talking about.
Jeremiah (09:43):
on this, you got the edit button in your hand, you
got the clicker, clicker,clicker.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I didn't click it, you didn't click it.
Dan (09:47):
Well, that's right.
Well, and I'll even back up, Iguess, guys a little further.
I'm pulling on a job site.
We'll even pull up and park,walk it before we even decide
where to park the truck.
At Absolutely 100%.
We're not just going to parkand say, ok, this is where we're
at, and set up camp right thereevery day, because there's
always something right where youwanted to park, there's always
(10:10):
something there you know not, wedon't all get the luxury of
people in Texas.
Rusty (10:20):
You know that have a 20 acre place.
You know that they can drive a40 foot rig on.
Some of us are in the Bay Areaor LA, you know, where you can
barely force your rig down astreet, much less into a
driveway, right, you know.
So that's, that's a really goodpoint.
You know, it's very valid.
For you know, when we pull up,sometimes we got to block
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traffic.
For you know, when we pull up,sometimes we got a block traffic
we have to take.
We have to take that day and goget permits so we can actually
take a lane or take up the wholepart in San Francisco or Los
Angeles or something like that.
You know, yeah, because youdon't get to just pull up and
park there.
You know, if you're on a mainstreet in san francisco, okay,
(11:07):
because they got one parkingspot or maybe two parking spots
in front of their house, andthen you have to get approval
from the neighbors when you'repulling a 30 foot trailer in
with a truck.
You know, and you got a 50 foottotal length rig and you're
going to take up their spotsplus two or three other people's
spots, you know, and thenyou're going to take up their
spots plus two or three otherpeople's spots, you know, and
then you're going to be draggingyour hose out, you know, and
(11:28):
then, and like for me, sometimesI I pull my rig in and then I
have a pull behind generatorthat's got to go beside my rig,
yeah, you know, or I got to pullin and be able to, because
you're not going to be able togo and hook up to their power
box, you know.
So, um, there's a lot ofdifferent, very variables to,
(11:48):
even before you get and startyour job, exactly what you're
saying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dan (11:55):
Yeah, and we talked a little bit.
You know we kind of joked aboutthe stucco guys and stuff and
some of these other contractorson site.
But one thing that's alwaysreinforced, and whenever it is
trainings, is signage.
Like when's the appropriatetime to go out there and stick
up signs?
Is it like oh, I'm just aboutto open the manifold and start
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spraying the day before youstart the day?
Rusty (12:18):
before you start.
The day before you start, youshould especially if you're
roofing, If I'm doing a roofingjob, a partner complex or
something like that I go a week,two weeks before and put signs
up everywhere.
And then you know, put stuffstuffers in the mailboxes.
You know what I mean.
Letting everybody there knowlook, we're going to be spraying
foam from this day to this day.
(12:39):
Your cars will either becovered or they need to be moved
, and if we cover them and youuncover them, you're then liable
for it.
Right, you know.
But yeah, um, on just a regularresidential, the day before
you're going to be there, yeah,have your signs up and you don't
have to put your caution tapeup until you start, but
definitely should have yoursigns and stuff up the day
(12:59):
before, in my opinion.
Dan (13:01):
Alright, and for both of you guys unhook the rig or leave
the rig hooked to the truck.
There's always the debate aboutthe two when you pull up there
for safety.
Jeremiah (13:09):
Depends on the neighborhood Depends on the
neighborhood.
Are we in Oakland or are we in?
Rusty (13:16):
some small town in Montana.
99% of the time I leave my righooked up, uh-huh, yep.
So I mean I lock my truck, putmy keys in my toolbox in my
trailer, yes, you know, but Ihardly ever unhook unless I have
(13:37):
to go get something orsomething like that.
Dan (13:39):
You know right, yeah, sending the helper up the street
for lunch or cigarettes orsomething, you get the trailer
and hopefully he's smart enoughto unhook it, so I just don't
give him lunch but yeah, for themost part we obviously leave it
hooked, especially because it'sa gooseneck trailer so it's so
difficult to you know, and alsoit's a metal trailer so it's so
(14:03):
heavy.
Miguel Mora (14:04):
Having to hook and unhook it's just too much hassle
.
We lost probably about an hour30 minutes, then 30 minutes.
It's just not worth it for us.
So just leave it hooked andit's sometimes easier just to
pull in the house and and takeoff with the trailer sometimes.
Rusty (14:22):
So I mean, I'm sure everybody just seen the live
that I just did Saturday.
You could see I was unhooked inthat driveway.
Okay, obviously, you know cause?
I didn't have enough room formy truck and trailer to stay
hooked, so I backed in, Iunhooked and then I parked in
front of my trailer.
So that's, that's what I'msaying.
Probably 99 percent of the timeI don't have to unhook, but if
(14:46):
I do, obviously, then then mytruck gets parked in front of my
trailer and locked in front ofmy trailer, right yeah?
Dan (14:52):
So hazards?
And locked in front of mytrailer, right, yeah, so hazards
?
Um, I mean, let's just startoutside everywhere between your
trailer and whatever ingresspoint to the house you're using.
What are you looking for, uh?
Rusty (15:04):
trip hazards.
Mainly.
First thing I'll be looking fortrip hazards, uh, um, again,
boards with nails in them thatare.
You know, the first thing I'lldo is if there was a pile of
wood that they had taken out ofthat house I just finished with
nails all in it, you know.
So we took those and put themoff to the side, turn them where
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the nails were upside down, youknow, facing the concrete and
then stepped on them to flattenthe nails right, you know what I
mean as best we could, yeah,out of the way of where my hose
was going to be drugged.
So, um, not just for my hose,though, but for me and and, uh,
whoever's working with me atthat time.
You know, because stepping onthe nail don't, it's not fun no,
(15:47):
it's serious, it's yeah.
Dan (15:49):
No, it's serious.
Rusty (15:50):
Oh, it's you ever had a nail, go clear through almost
all the way through your foot orgo into your heel to your heel
bone.
That'll put you down for, youknow, two or three days where
you're not walking on it, youknow it sure will and risk of
infections everything else isserious.
Yeah, for sure.
Dan (16:07):
That's Miguel.
What are you looking for?
Miguel Mora (16:10):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely.
Uh, you know, most of the time,whenever I go to a job site,
there's always, uh, you know,the people that have, uh, done
the concrete.
They always leave all theirwood, all the you know leftover
concrete on the side.
So I try to limit, um, try tomake sure where I park it has
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the least amount of debris oranything like that.
That way we can just go in parkand not have to worry too much
about any hazards really.
So we always try to look forthe spot that is the cleanest
and then from there, you know,move whatever we need to move,
prior to even moving our trailerthere and also dragging,
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dragging our house, because wedon't want to try to drag our
hose and then having to tostruggle, you know, moving
everything else concrete rocksare.
Rusty (17:03):
They're a pain dude.
Dan (17:04):
Oh, they're terrible.
Yes, yeah you know.
Rusty (17:08):
And one thing you know I don't know how anybody else's
contracts are written up, butbut my personal you know, for me
it's in my contract that ahomeowner or any living or
breathing animal dog, cat theycannot be in the home, whether
I'm doing the bedroom closet orI'm doing the whole, you know,
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remodel or whatever, right, theycan't be there while I'm doing
the job or for 24 hours afterI'm done.
And that's that's in my writtencontract, so there's no
questions asked.
You know we didn't know this orwe didn't know that.
You know, right.
And then you know at the end ofevery day, whether I finished
the job or not, windows areopened and they're left open so
(17:57):
it can actually air out.
You know it's air exchangeswithout.
I don't put a bunch of fans andstuff in there unless I
absolutely have to, becausecalifornia is california.
Dan (18:07):
You know what I mean.
You get a blackout.
Your fans aren't going to workanyway well, I mean, it's bad
enough.
Rusty (18:12):
They see me walking with full respirator, you know, and I
look like I'm a yeah, I'm goinginto some alien thing, you know
um, versus if I got, if I havean enclosed area, if I'm doing a
retro thank goodness I don't doa lot of retros, so I don't, I
don't need a ton of uh of thoseuh in and out airs, you know.
(18:33):
So, uh, obviously, in a in forthe guys doing retros, they have
all that stuff, hopefully.
You know that they're puttingfresh air in behind, where
they're pulling fresh air out orold air out, you know, and
they're exhausting it far enoughaway, yeah, from the entrance.
You know what I'm saying.
It doesn't do you no good toexhaust it down out of the uh,
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the entry hatch and into thehouse.
You got to carry that out awindow or out a door and get it
outside, you know, so you canget your true air exchanges in
there well, and we're the sameway.
Dan (19:08):
We tell everybody windows and doors, keep them open for 24
hours and let that air exchangeget it fresh, get the off
gassing done, get everything outof there before you go.
And we had one client that waskind of a particular guy and he
was in an area that, like I, I'dleave the keys in my pickup in
this area.
It was a really safe place.
(19:29):
And we told him lock every.
You know, lock your doors ifyou want, leave all the windows,
open everything.
Well, he shut everything downlike Fort Knox, left it that way
.
Middle of the summer, 120degrees.
Comes back in there two weekslater, calls and just starts
lighting me up, oh yeah.
And so I drive out there, youknow, worried that, oh crap,
(19:51):
something went wrong.
And then you ask him, ask them,what'd you do when we left?
Have you been in and out ofthis thing?
What you know?
Has it been this way this time?
So I don't know.
This is the first time I'vebeen in it.
We just locked everything downtight when you left.
I'm like prick, I sealed thisthing up as good as anybody on
the planet can and your reactionwas to ignore my instructions
and lock all the windows andthen call and complain at me.
Miguel Mora (20:14):
Yeah, you know yeah , and the problem with that is
that those fumes are even morelike they're deeply trapped.
Now they're concentrated,they're going to take a longer
time for them to disperse, andthe smell to go away.
That is.
A lot of complaints like thathappen whenever there's
retrofits.
They don't take the insulationyou know, and then they seal
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everything off.
Everything gets trapped intothe all insulation and all that
stuff.
So it's just like, hey, we needto make sure, you know,
everything gets, you know, somefans running in there, make sure
that we get that all insulation, insulation out, you know, and
then it'll be okay and they dothat and you know so so let's
get okay.
Dan (20:58):
So we're walking in there, we're check for debris, check
for rocks, check for, you know,nails, screws, fasteners,
anything like that that's outthere.
Um, one problem I run into in alot of my job sites is open
excavation.
Yeah, I mean, guys are puttingin septic systems, guys are
running a power line.
It's inevitable that on a newbuild, somebody's going to be
(21:22):
somewhere with an open trenchand very few of them are ever
going to be marked yeah, andit's not just exterior open
trenches.
Rusty (21:30):
You know they're moving, they're moving their kitchen or
they're they're adding abathroom, and then you have open
trenches through in theconcrete in the house with a
sharp edge, because they saw theconcrete and it's two or three
feet deep right.
Dan (21:42):
I mean maybe a little rebar sticking out.
Jeremiah (21:46):
Yeah, like a foot wide .
Rusty (21:47):
That's where the leg goes , yeah yeah, you know, or you
know a really dangerous one.
Also, man is um, uh, airconditioning and heating vents
in the floors that they putthese little thin fake covers on
.
You know what I mean?
That gives you false pretensethat your scaffolding will roll
across, that it's an aluminumfoil.
(22:08):
You know, my son, dennis, had areally bad accident and his
whole entire leg, from his hipto his knee, when the
scaffolding went in that hole.
He came down off thatscaffolding and caught from here
to from his hip to his knee andthen before he even got, I
think probably an hour, hour anda half after it happened, that
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thing was yellow and purple andblack from the bruising.
That lasted weeks.
Luckily he didn't get seriouslyhurt, right, you know.
But that's a really big deal towatch out for.
Also, you know, and it's as us,as sprayers, we're masked up,
we're up there, we're spraying,we're not watching where we're
pulling our scaffolding, so thatthat leaves that puts it back
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on the helper.
Yes, you know that.
So to have a good helper is isa godsend yeah, so, yeah, that
happened to me one time.
Miguel Mora (23:00):
It was drains, you know well, the wheel caught up
in there and so flip it, brokemy ribs Right.
But the thing is we were using,you know the yellow scaffolding
, yeah, so at that point youknow those are good scaffolding,
but you're better off using.
You know something bigger.
You know like what is it offusing?
(23:23):
You know something bigger.
You know like a, what is itfour by six?
No, what is it four by eight?
Scaffolding, something bigger.
That you know it'll.
It'll save you from gettingstability yeah getting stuck in
there and then flip.
But yeah, yeah, my brother andmy dad, they were pushing me on
the scaffold and then all of asudden started tilting.
They'd try to hold it.
So they got hurt, you know,their arms shoulder and I got my
(23:45):
ribs broken, you know.
So.
Dan (23:47):
So you shut a whole crew down basically in one stop.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect.
Miguel Mora (23:52):
Yeah, Just from a driving that you know, it was
just there.
Rusty (23:54):
Yeah, and that that's a big deal.
On commercial jobs also, youknow, cause you're, you're
prepping and, uh, any, anywherethat's got a ton.
You know that that's going towash downs or anything like that
.
They got those big drains inthe corners or on the edges and
some of them are out in themiddle of the floors, you know.
And so what I use, what I liketo do, is I'll either have them
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put a piece of tape in an x markwhere that's at, so they don't
forget while they're moving us,or I can see it when I'm coming
by, you know or for anybody youknow, you just get some marker
paint and just mark it realquick.
Dan (24:29):
You know, just any way you can just mark it so you don't
forget about it, because thefirst thing you do when you get
on that scaffolding is forgetabout everything but getting the
job done Right, like you said,you're suited up, you're masked
up, you got fresh air blowing inyou, you got overspray air
purge guns going and you're justfocused on let me get this
entire roof deck spray today sothat tomorrow we can just get
(24:52):
our walls dead, or yeah, yeah,yeah, and it's easy.
It's easy to lose track ofwhere you're at, especially when
you're the guy up there on thescaffolding and you do.
You rely on the people on theground.
Jeremiah (25:03):
Yeah, sometimes you can't see out of your mask, oh
yeah, before you do a tear-offor you clean it off and re-spray
.
You can't see, so you'redepending on those guys to watch
out for you.
Dan (25:14):
Yeah, we call it spraying by Braille, spray by sound.
Miguel Mora (25:23):
Spray, yeah.
Spray by sound.
Spray by sound.
Yeah.
How are you doing this?
Like I hear the frog, likedon't worry about it, walk in
the scaffolding.
Like just touching you knowyou're doing the tap, like you
just brought that up.
Rusty (25:34):
And it's funny because I I had my six foot set almost to
the highest level and I wasbacking up, spraying because I
run sideways on the bays.
I don't go long ways with thebays, I go sideways so I can do
multiple scaffold, multiple baysbefore I have to move.
Yeah, you know, and I wasbacking up and I almost stepped
(25:56):
off that scaffolding.
Yeah, you know, it's super.
You just completely forgetsometimes where you're at, you
know and what you're doing, andand that us in this industry we
want to go fast, definitely, andsometimes it's it's faster to
go a little bit slower, right,you know so, yeah, it's
counterintuitive, but yeah, wewant to be productive, right and
(26:18):
uh, and you know we have, youknow, like SprayFoam Worldwide.
Dan (26:22):
You know the biggest flex on there is I sprayed you know X
amount of sets over three daysor two days or whatever it is.
And so, yeah, we have a cultureof being super productive and
it's kind of promoted that way.
Rusty (26:37):
Well, I mean as an industry in a whole.
We all want to be the the topdog sprayer.
It's just that simple.
And if you say you don't,you're lying exactly you know
what I mean.
Um, but we also.
I can see the shift happening,um, where safety is is becoming
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just as important, if not moreimportant, as being the most
productive sprayer that day.
Right, you know, because in theend, we all want to go home to
our families, not hurt.
You know, there's been a couplepretty good incidents in this
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industry in the last month,month and a half, yeah, and
they've really opened my eyes tosafety.
Dan (27:28):
Well, and I'll commend the guys that will actually put it
out there that it happened tothem.
Right, you know, they'reactually brave enough to say OK,
I did this.
This happened to me Because alot of people that that happens
to they're not saying to anybody, and whether it's shame or
embarrassment or whatever but,man, those guys are brave enough
to put it out there they'rehelping everybody else they're
helping people more than they'llever they'll never know, yeah,
(27:51):
yeah, they'll never know howmany guys you get the new guys
that are coming in that arewatching all of us.
Rusty (27:56):
Oh geez, if you know, if you will, that that we're
busting out what we bust outbecause we know how to move
fluidly, you know what I mean.
But we're also, we've madethose mistakes.
And for the new guys that arelistening or watching, when we
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post the videos or whatever,that's done with caution, you
know it's, it's, it's because we, we broke an ankle, or, or you
know, if some guys broke backs,you know, I I had a boss that
stepped off of a six foot ladder, off the last step, and stepped
wrong and broke his back.
(28:39):
Yeah, okay.
So that's another thing thatthat I'd like to bring up.
When you're coming off thatscaffolding, um, don't think
you're cool and just step off ofit, get down on your knee,
bring your leg over and get yourfooting, because you know, um,
90% of the time your feet aresoaking wet, like you just got
(28:59):
to have a swimming pool, andthey're slippery in that suit.
You know what I mean.
And all it takes is a quarterinch slip to lose your footing
and fall six feet and break yourback or your neck.
Yes, you know.
All right, welcome back to another episode of Toolbox Talks
on Safety for the Spray FoamIndustry.
New episode we're lining up twospecial guests today.
We got Rusty Schrader andMiguel Mora, both with UPC Guys.
You want to jump on andintroduce yourselves real quick.
Miguel Mora (00:17):
Yeah, so I've been in the spray foam industry for
10 years and you are Rusty.
Dan (00:22):
Go ahead.
No, no, no, no, I was jokingwith you, miguel, you didn't say
your name, Sorry, yeah, yeah,sorry so yeah, I'm Miguel Mora.
Miguel Mora (00:30):
So, yeah, I've been in the spray for wie industry
for a little over 10 years as atech, started working for UPC in
2020.
And I've been there since then.
I did took a year off so Icould go and spray with my
brother and we have our owncompany in Louisiana, but uh,
but yeah.
So I've been pretty much in theuh, yeah, for 10 years almost,
(00:52):
or maybe a little bit over 10years, but, yeah, awesome.
Rusty (00:55):
Rusty, everybody knows me .
My name is Rusty Schrader.
Sorry you have to hear mysqueaky voice on here, but uh, I
started my journey in thisindustry in 1997, then took a
little vacation in Corcoran andthen I came back and been in
this industry ever since,started in the roofing part of
(01:17):
it, took a little break when thehousing market crashed, came
back in 2010 and came back as aspray foam insulator in that
year.
Then you know we were.
I worked for somebody else forseven years and that's that's
when I started my own company2017.
Then took a job with UPC fourmonths ago.
(01:42):
May of this year is when I tooka job with UPC four months ago.
May of this year is when I tooka job with UPC as the West
Coast Technical Supervisor overthere.
Dan (01:54):
Very cool, awesome.
Well, guys, we're glad to haveyou.
Today's topic was job sitesafety, job site walk, job site
evaluation Jeremiah, what do wegot here?
Jeremiah (02:06):
Well, I mean, when it comes to job site safety, it's
like when we're training guys,especially new guys, you try and
tell them you know when youwalk into the job you don't just
pull your hose and start goingat it Like you need to walk into
the job and have a plan toefficiently execute, like the
day's work right.
You don't just walk in andstart working, you walk in and
(02:29):
check stuff out, make sureeverything's as it should,
framing, you know everything'spassed, everything you need done
is done, because once again,you don't want to cover up
someone else's oops, right.
So I mean, it's really from theget, from the time you get to
there in the morning to the timeyou leave at the end of the day
, is you know job site safetyright?
You're trying to plan forsuccess and you know, of course,
not to have any problems.
Dan (02:47):
So Miguel, Rusty, guys, what do you do?
What's your routine?
In a day, you show up on a jobsite at somewhere.
Maybe you quoted that job threeor four months ago and you saw
it a little bit then, but nowit's a whole different world.
Rusty (03:06):
What's your guys' routine ?
What are you looking for,looking for?
Okay, so for me, um, andespecially right now in this
season of the year where we'reactually going into a cooler
season, okay, um, if I quoted ametal building, beginning of
summer, first thing I do when Iget out and check that metal
building is I'll check formoisture on it.
You know, um, then you're goingto walk that building from the
(03:28):
outside to the inside.
Um, you're going to make surethat there's no trip hazards for
your crews.
You know, when you're going in,make sure there's no open gaps
in the concrete on the floors orsomething like that, where your
scaffolding or something likethat's going to fall in.
Um, I did see something fromAnthony Scott Royds in New York,
two days ago I believe, wherehis helper covered up a piece of
(03:54):
wood that had nails stickingout of it with the plastic.
I saw that, okay, that is a bigthing for any crew.
The very first thing you do theI just did the saturday, sunday
first thing I do, you know, isis move everything out.
Everything in the floor comesout of the floor before you put
(04:17):
plastic down.
You know, once you've done your, your exterior, walk around of
the job site and if there istrip hazards or open trenches or
anything like that on the jobsite, obviously you're going to
get your crew together, you'regoing to notify them.
You know of any hazards thatare on the job before you start
it.
Then, before you go in and youprep, clean the floors, you know
(04:38):
like we'll go in, we'll takeeverything out and I may even
bring a blower in, you know andblow everything out before I
even put plastic down.
You know, especially in a metalbuilding, because you need tape
to stick to concrete.
You know you're not usingstaples and stuff like that.
And then, as Jeremiah stated,you know you walk through.
You make sure that the framingthat's been done since you
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looked at the initial job, thejob initially, to the point of
now you're there to spray it.
Maybe you have a bunch ofhidden corners where they've got
, you know, a double King studor something in there that you
have to go in.
You have to pre-drill those soyou can actually get foam in
there, so you don't have a deadair space.
You're not just covering thatup.
Miguel Mora (05:23):
Yeah, yeah.
So the same thing, just likeresta said, making sure that
everything is clean.
You know that the uh contractordid is they did their job, you
know.
Basically, make sure thateverything that it was supposed
to be done, it was done and theinspection was passed and
everything, because, uh, youwant to make sure that you're
(05:43):
not having to stop half of theuh, you're done with the walls
and then you have to stopbecause they didn't do a roof
inspection or anything like that.
Uh, but for the most part, yeah, uh, cleaning your, you know,
your work area is very important.
I have seen many people stepinto or even myself I have to
step into nails that weren'tcovered, or, you know, or
(06:06):
pulling my hose and then it justgets trapped, you know, because
there was wood that was coveredwith nails.
You know things like that thatuh actually matter.
Rusty (06:15):
Um, yeah, before you know it, you gotta.
You gotta pinhole from pullingyour hose around a corner or
something, because it was put ona nail right and it's just cost
you 2500, if not more.
Miguel Mora (06:25):
You know, yeah, so yeah, and just so, make sure
that if there's other peoplethat are not with your crew if
they're, you know, make sure youput barricades or something
like that to block from them.
You know, getting onto your uh,you know your workspace and
then get it over sprayed.
Or also, you know, um uh people, you know bricklayers.
(06:51):
Sometimes they drive their uhwheelbarrows and on top into, on
top of your hose.
So it's just uh, you know.
Yeah, just make sure that allyour equipment is also taken
care of, you know yeah, yeah,out.
Dan (07:04):
The stucco guys are notorious.
Oh, stucco, stucco guys.
It's like their scaffolding'salready in your way to start
with, and then, second on that,they got their wheelbarrow and
they want to go right over thetop of your hose every time.
Rusty (07:15):
I was on a job site in Temecula about a month ago and I
pull up and there's a hoserunning across the road, you
know, because it's a track home.
So they got their rig set uphere and then they got hoses
just run, you know, so they canreach three or four houses
without moving their rig.
And I pull up in front of thehose and park and I turn around
(07:40):
and look and this guy drivesover the hose and parks his
truck.
Oh man, yeah, I politely toldthe guy.
You know, you're really lucky,that wasn't my hose.
Dan (07:53):
Oh, party foul, Jeremiah.
Oh, it's Hunter, hunter, what's?
Jeremiah (07:57):
up.
Should I let him know we'redoing a podcast or put him on?
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Should we put him on?
Put him on, oh shoot, heyHunter podcast or put him on.
Jeremiah (08:05):
Yeah, put him on.
Put him on.
Oh shit, hey, hunter, hey, howyou going?
Sir?
Hey, good man, I just want tolet you know like you're on
speakerphone on a podcast withrusty miguel and a few other
people perfect yes, what do youneed, man?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
uh, basically I was calling because uh got a
customer out in idaho justlooking for a.
They're trying to buy a righere in the next week, week and
a half.
Okay, just looking for somebodythat has one for sale, looking
for a hydraulic machine, butyeah, Okay, yeah, I'll send you
a number as soon as I get offthe phone.
Dan (08:38):
How much has he got to spend?
Oh?
Rusty (08:41):
What's the budget?
Dan (08:43):
What's the budget, man, let's get serious about this
everything's for sale if youjust get the right price.
Like I'll deliver one wrap forthe nice spray foam arizona sign
on.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
You got like four foamers in a room all trying to
make money off.
Dan (09:00):
Yeah, and a rig builder so sorry, man.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, i'm'm with you.
That's the whole point of megiving this phone call, I know.
But yeah, just let me know I'llget the budget and everything.
Jeremiah (09:12):
Okay, well, I'll shoot you a number and he'll be able
to help you out with whateverthat guy needs, for sure.
Dan (09:18):
In the meantime, I'll come up and do some contract work.
What's?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
that Hunter's been been here.
He knows what I do.
Jeremiah (09:22):
I don't think he knows I'm with you, though right now.
I just said I was with you onyour phone, or I don't know if
you're sitting here, sorry, butyeah, all right.
Okay, I'll see, I'll see yournumber and he'll he'll help you
out, all right.
Dan (09:35):
Thanks, man I have no idea where we were at talking about.
Jeremiah (09:43):
on this, you got the edit button in your hand, you
got the clicker, clicker,clicker.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I didn't click it, you didn't click it.
Dan (09:47):
Well, that's right.
Well, and I'll even back up, Iguess, guys a little further.
I'm pulling on a job site.
We'll even pull up and park,walk it before we even decide
where to park the truck.
At Absolutely 100%.
We're not just going to parkand say, ok, this is where we're
at, and set up camp right thereevery day, because there's
always something right where youwanted to park, there's always
(10:10):
something there you know not, wedon't all get the luxury of
people in Texas.
Rusty (10:20):
You know that have a 20 acre place.
You know that they can drive a40 foot rig on.
Some of us are in the Bay Areaor LA, you know, where you can
barely force your rig down astreet, much less into a
driveway, right, you know.
So that's, that's a really goodpoint.
You know, it's very valid.
For you know, when we pull up,sometimes we got to block
(10:44):
traffic.
For you know, when we pull up,sometimes we got a block traffic
we have to take.
We have to take that day and goget permits so we can actually
take a lane or take up the wholepart in San Francisco or Los
Angeles or something like that.
You know, yeah, because youdon't get to just pull up and
park there.
You know, if you're on a mainstreet in san francisco, okay,
(11:07):
because they got one parkingspot or maybe two parking spots
in front of their house, andthen you have to get approval
from the neighbors when you'repulling a 30 foot trailer in
with a truck.
You know, and you got a 50 foottotal length rig and you're
going to take up their spotsplus two or three other people's
spots, you know, and thenyou're going to take up their
spots plus two or three otherpeople's spots, you know, and
then you're going to be draggingyour hose out, you know, and
(11:28):
then, and like for me, sometimesI I pull my rig in and then I
have a pull behind generatorthat's got to go beside my rig,
yeah, you know, or I got to pullin and be able to, because
you're not going to be able togo and hook up to their power
box, you know.
So, um, there's a lot ofdifferent, very variables to,
(11:48):
even before you get and startyour job, exactly what you're
saying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dan (11:55):
Yeah, and we talked a little bit.
You know we kind of joked aboutthe stucco guys and stuff and
some of these other contractorson site.
But one thing that's alwaysreinforced, and whenever it is
trainings, is signage.
Like when's the appropriatetime to go out there and stick
up signs?
Is it like oh, I'm just aboutto open the manifold and start
(12:15):
spraying the day before youstart the day?
Rusty (12:18):
before you start.
The day before you start, youshould especially if you're
roofing, If I'm doing a roofingjob, a partner complex or
something like that I go a week,two weeks before and put signs
up everywhere.
And then you know, put stuffstuffers in the mailboxes.
You know what I mean.
Letting everybody there knowlook, we're going to be spraying
foam from this day to this day.
(12:39):
Your cars will either becovered or they need to be moved
, and if we cover them and youuncover them, you're then liable
for it.
Right, you know.
But yeah, um, on just a regularresidential, the day before
you're going to be there, yeah,have your signs up and you don't
have to put your caution tapeup until you start, but
definitely should have yoursigns and stuff up the day
(12:59):
before, in my opinion.
Dan (13:01):
Alright, and for both of you guys unhook the rig or leave
the rig hooked to the truck.
There's always the debate aboutthe two when you pull up there
for safety.
Jeremiah (13:09):
Depends on the neighborhood Depends on the
neighborhood.
Are we in Oakland or are we in?
Rusty (13:16):
some small town in Montana.
99% of the time I leave my righooked up, uh-huh, yep.
So I mean I lock my truck, putmy keys in my toolbox in my
trailer, yes, you know, but Ihardly ever unhook unless I have
(13:37):
to go get something orsomething like that.
Dan (13:39):
You know right, yeah, sending the helper up the street
for lunch or cigarettes orsomething, you get the trailer
and hopefully he's smart enoughto unhook it, so I just don't
give him lunch but yeah, for themost part we obviously leave it
hooked, especially because it'sa gooseneck trailer so it's so
difficult to you know, and alsoit's a metal trailer so it's so
(14:03):
heavy.
Miguel Mora (14:04):
Having to hook and unhook it's just too much hassle
.
We lost probably about an hour30 minutes, then 30 minutes.
It's just not worth it for us.
So just leave it hooked andit's sometimes easier just to
pull in the house and and takeoff with the trailer sometimes.
Rusty (14:22):
So I mean, I'm sure everybody just seen the live
that I just did Saturday.
You could see I was unhooked inthat driveway.
Okay, obviously, you know cause?
I didn't have enough room formy truck and trailer to stay
hooked, so I backed in, Iunhooked and then I parked in
front of my trailer.
So that's, that's what I'msaying.
Probably 99 percent of the timeI don't have to unhook, but if
(14:46):
I do, obviously, then then mytruck gets parked in front of my
trailer and locked in front ofmy trailer, right yeah?
Dan (14:52):
So hazards?
And locked in front of mytrailer, right, yeah, so hazards
?
Um, I mean, let's just startoutside everywhere between your
trailer and whatever ingresspoint to the house you're using.
What are you looking for, uh?
Rusty (15:04):
trip hazards.
Mainly.
First thing I'll be looking fortrip hazards, uh, um, again,
boards with nails in them thatare.
You know, the first thing I'lldo is if there was a pile of
wood that they had taken out ofthat house I just finished with
nails all in it, you know.
So we took those and put themoff to the side, turn them where
(15:25):
the nails were upside down, youknow, facing the concrete and
then stepped on them to flattenthe nails right, you know what I
mean as best we could, yeah,out of the way of where my hose
was going to be drugged.
So, um, not just for my hose,though, but for me and and, uh,
whoever's working with me atthat time.
You know, because stepping onthe nail don't, it's not fun no,
(15:47):
it's serious, it's yeah.
Dan (15:49):
No, it's serious.
Rusty (15:50):
Oh, it's you ever had a nail, go clear through almost
all the way through your foot orgo into your heel to your heel
bone.
That'll put you down for, youknow, two or three days where
you're not walking on it, youknow it sure will and risk of
infections everything else isserious.
Yeah, for sure.
Dan (16:07):
That's Miguel.
What are you looking for?
Miguel Mora (16:10):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely.
Uh, you know, most of the time,whenever I go to a job site,
there's always, uh, you know,the people that have, uh, done
the concrete.
They always leave all theirwood, all the you know leftover
concrete on the side.
So I try to limit, um, try tomake sure where I park it has
(16:33):
the least amount of debris oranything like that.
That way we can just go in parkand not have to worry too much
about any hazards really.
So we always try to look forthe spot that is the cleanest
and then from there, you know,move whatever we need to move,
prior to even moving our trailerthere and also dragging,
(16:55):
dragging our house, because wedon't want to try to drag our
hose and then having to tostruggle, you know, moving
everything else concrete rocksare.
Rusty (17:03):
They're a pain dude.
Dan (17:04):
Oh, they're terrible.
Yes, yeah you know.
Rusty (17:08):
And one thing you know I don't know how anybody else's
contracts are written up, butbut my personal you know, for me
it's in my contract that ahomeowner or any living or
breathing animal dog, cat theycannot be in the home, whether
I'm doing the bedroom closet orI'm doing the whole, you know,
(17:32):
remodel or whatever, right, theycan't be there while I'm doing
the job or for 24 hours afterI'm done.
And that's that's in my writtencontract, so there's no
questions asked.
You know we didn't know this orwe didn't know that.
You know, right.
And then you know at the end ofevery day, whether I finished
the job or not, windows areopened and they're left open so
(17:57):
it can actually air out.
You know it's air exchangeswithout.
I don't put a bunch of fans andstuff in there unless I
absolutely have to, becausecalifornia is california.
Dan (18:07):
You know what I mean.
You get a blackout.
Your fans aren't going to workanyway well, I mean, it's bad
enough.
Rusty (18:12):
They see me walking with full respirator, you know, and I
look like I'm a yeah, I'm goinginto some alien thing, you know
um, versus if I got, if I havean enclosed area, if I'm doing a
retro thank goodness I don't doa lot of retros, so I don't, I
don't need a ton of uh of thoseuh in and out airs, you know.
(18:33):
So, uh, obviously, in a in forthe guys doing retros, they have
all that stuff, hopefully.
You know that they're puttingfresh air in behind, where
they're pulling fresh air out orold air out, you know, and
they're exhausting it far enoughaway, yeah, from the entrance.
You know what I'm saying.
It doesn't do you no good toexhaust it down out of the uh,
(18:56):
the entry hatch and into thehouse.
You got to carry that out awindow or out a door and get it
outside, you know, so you canget your true air exchanges in
there well, and we're the sameway.
Dan (19:08):
We tell everybody windows and doors, keep them open for 24
hours and let that air exchangeget it fresh, get the off
gassing done, get everything outof there before you go.
And we had one client that waskind of a particular guy and he
was in an area that, like I, I'dleave the keys in my pickup in
this area.
It was a really safe place.
(19:29):
And we told him lock every.
You know, lock your doors ifyou want, leave all the windows,
open everything.
Well, he shut everything downlike Fort Knox, left it that way
.
Middle of the summer, 120degrees.
Comes back in there two weekslater, calls and just starts
lighting me up, oh yeah.
And so I drive out there, youknow, worried that, oh crap,
(19:51):
something went wrong.
And then you ask him, ask them,what'd you do when we left?
Have you been in and out ofthis thing?
What you know?
Has it been this way this time?
So I don't know.
This is the first time I'vebeen in it.
We just locked everything downtight when you left.
I'm like prick, I sealed thisthing up as good as anybody on
the planet can and your reactionwas to ignore my instructions
and lock all the windows andthen call and complain at me.
Miguel Mora (20:14):
Yeah, you know yeah , and the problem with that is
that those fumes are even morelike they're deeply trapped.
Now they're concentrated,they're going to take a longer
time for them to disperse, andthe smell to go away.
That is.
A lot of complaints like thathappen whenever there's
retrofits.
They don't take the insulationyou know, and then they seal
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everything off.
Everything gets trapped intothe all insulation and all that
stuff.
So it's just like, hey, we needto make sure, you know,
everything gets, you know, somefans running in there, make sure
that we get that all insulation, insulation out, you know, and
then it'll be okay and they dothat and you know so so let's
get okay.
Dan (20:58):
So we're walking in there, we're check for debris, check
for rocks, check for, you know,nails, screws, fasteners,
anything like that that's outthere.
Um, one problem I run into in alot of my job sites is open
excavation.
Yeah, I mean, guys are puttingin septic systems, guys are
running a power line.
It's inevitable that on a newbuild, somebody's going to be
(21:22):
somewhere with an open trenchand very few of them are ever
going to be marked yeah, andit's not just exterior open
trenches.
Rusty (21:30):
You know they're moving, they're moving their kitchen or
they're they're adding abathroom, and then you have open
trenches through in theconcrete in the house with a
sharp edge, because they saw theconcrete and it's two or three
feet deep right.
Dan (21:42):
I mean maybe a little rebar sticking out.
Jeremiah (21:46):
Yeah, like a foot wide .
Rusty (21:47):
That's where the leg goes , yeah yeah, you know, or you
know a really dangerous one.
Also, man is um, uh, airconditioning and heating vents
in the floors that they putthese little thin fake covers on
.
You know what I mean?
That gives you false pretensethat your scaffolding will roll
across, that it's an aluminumfoil.
(22:08):
You know, my son, dennis, had areally bad accident and his
whole entire leg, from his hipto his knee, when the
scaffolding went in that hole.
He came down off thatscaffolding and caught from here
to from his hip to his knee andthen before he even got, I
think probably an hour, hour anda half after it happened, that
(22:29):
thing was yellow and purple andblack from the bruising.
That lasted weeks.
Luckily he didn't get seriouslyhurt, right, you know.
But that's a really big deal towatch out for.
Also, you know, and it's as us,as sprayers, we're masked up,
we're up there, we're spraying,we're not watching where we're
pulling our scaffolding, so thatthat leaves that puts it back
(22:51):
on the helper.
Yes, you know that.
So to have a good helper is isa godsend yeah, so, yeah, that
happened to me one time.
Miguel Mora (23:00):
It was drains, you know well, the wheel caught up
in there and so flip it, brokemy ribs Right.
But the thing is we were using,you know the yellow scaffolding
, yeah, so at that point youknow those are good scaffolding,
but you're better off using.
You know something bigger.
You know like what is it offusing?
(23:23):
You know something bigger.
You know like a, what is itfour by six?
No, what is it four by eight?
Scaffolding, something bigger.
That you know it'll.
It'll save you from gettingstability yeah getting stuck in
there and then flip.
But yeah, yeah, my brother andmy dad, they were pushing me on
the scaffold and then all of asudden started tilting.
They'd try to hold it.
So they got hurt, you know,their arms shoulder and I got my
(23:45):
ribs broken, you know.
So.
Dan (23:47):
So you shut a whole crew down basically in one stop.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect.
Miguel Mora (23:52):
Yeah, Just from a driving that you know, it was
just there.
Rusty (23:54):
Yeah, and that that's a big deal.
On commercial jobs also, youknow, cause you're, you're
prepping and, uh, any, anywherethat's got a ton.
You know that that's going towash downs or anything like that
.
They got those big drains inthe corners or on the edges and
some of them are out in themiddle of the floors, you know.
And so what I use, what I liketo do, is I'll either have them
(24:17):
put a piece of tape in an x markwhere that's at, so they don't
forget while they're moving us,or I can see it when I'm coming
by, you know or for anybody youknow, you just get some marker
paint and just mark it realquick.
Dan (24:29):
You know, just any way you can just mark it so you don't
forget about it, because thefirst thing you do when you get
on that scaffolding is forgetabout everything but getting the
job done Right, like you said,you're suited up, you're masked
up, you got fresh air blowing inyou, you got overspray air
purge guns going and you're justfocused on let me get this
entire roof deck spray today sothat tomorrow we can just get
(24:52):
our walls dead, or yeah, yeah,yeah, and it's easy.
It's easy to lose track ofwhere you're at, especially when
you're the guy up there on thescaffolding and you do.
You rely on the people on theground.
Jeremiah (25:03):
Yeah, sometimes you can't see out of your mask, oh
yeah, before you do a tear-offor you clean it off and re-spray
.
You can't see, so you'redepending on those guys to watch
out for you.
Dan (25:14):
Yeah, we call it spraying by Braille, spray by sound.
Miguel Mora (25:23):
Spray, yeah.
Spray by sound.
Spray by sound.
Yeah.
How are you doing this?
Like I hear the frog, likedon't worry about it, walk in
the scaffolding.
Like just touching you knowyou're doing the tap, like you
just brought that up.
Rusty (25:34):
And it's funny because I I had my six foot set almost to
the highest level and I wasbacking up, spraying because I
run sideways on the bays.
I don't go long ways with thebays, I go sideways so I can do
multiple scaffold, multiple baysbefore I have to move.
Yeah, you know, and I wasbacking up and I almost stepped
(25:56):
off that scaffolding.
Yeah, you know, it's super.
You just completely forgetsometimes where you're at, you
know and what you're doing, andand that us in this industry we
want to go fast, definitely, andsometimes it's it's faster to
go a little bit slower, right,you know so, yeah, it's
counterintuitive, but yeah, wewant to be productive, right and
(26:18):
uh, and you know we have, youknow, like SprayFoam Worldwide.
Dan (26:22):
You know the biggest flex on there is I sprayed you know X
amount of sets over three daysor two days or whatever it is.
And so, yeah, we have a cultureof being super productive and
it's kind of promoted that way.
Rusty (26:37):
Well, I mean as an industry in a whole.
We all want to be the the topdog sprayer.
It's just that simple.
And if you say you don't,you're lying exactly you know
what I mean.
Um, but we also.
I can see the shift happening,um, where safety is is becoming
(26:59):
just as important, if not moreimportant, as being the most
productive sprayer that day.
Right, you know, because in theend, we all want to go home to
our families, not hurt.
You know, there's been a couplepretty good incidents in this
(27:19):
industry in the last month,month and a half, yeah, and
they've really opened my eyes tosafety.
Dan (27:28):
Well, and I'll commend the guys that will actually put it
out there that it happened tothem.
Right, you know, they'reactually brave enough to say OK,
I did this.
This happened to me Because alot of people that that happens
to they're not saying to anybody, and whether it's shame or
embarrassment or whatever but,man, those guys are brave enough
to put it out there they'rehelping everybody else they're
helping people more than they'llever they'll never know, yeah,
(27:51):
yeah, they'll never know howmany guys you get the new guys
that are coming in that arewatching all of us.
Rusty (27:56):
Oh geez, if you know, if you will, that that we're
busting out what we bust outbecause we know how to move
fluidly, you know what I mean.
But we're also, we've madethose mistakes.
And for the new guys that arelistening or watching, when we
(28:18):
post the videos or whatever,that's done with caution, you
know it's, it's, it's because we, we broke an ankle, or, or you
know, if some guys broke backs,you know, I I had a boss that
stepped off of a six foot ladder, off the last step, and stepped
wrong and broke his back.
(28:39):
Yeah, okay.
So that's another thing thatthat I'd like to bring up.
When you're coming off thatscaffolding, um, don't think
you're cool and just step off ofit, get down on your knee,
bring your leg over and get yourfooting, because you know, um,
90% of the time your feet aresoaking wet, like you just got
(28:59):
to have a swimming pool, andthey're slippery in that suit.
You know what I mean.
And all it takes is a quarterinch slip to lose your footing
and fall six feet and break yourback or your neck.
Yes, you know.
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