#10 Joey – The Gelatinous One, Jelly, Comedian, Musician, Entertainer, and Podcasting Production Behind the Scenes - STAG

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Thanks for your support. Now here's the interview.
All right, Joe, let's start off the way that I always like to
start off with and it's kind of let's Orient everybody listening
towards who you are today. What got you, what events or
things in life shaped you to be the person you are right now in

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this moment? And how are you so unfortunate
to be talking to me today? Well, in that sense, especially
fitting with the description of what I responded to to this
podcast is, you know, I'm a 30 year old man and I was bullied
most of my life. And I learned that you got to

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take that. You got to take that and build
upon it instead of let it affectyou negatively.
So in the last five to six years, I've turned all of the
negativity that has been in my past life to the positive.
And in that, for the past 20 years, I've been doing music.
For the past 10 years I've been doing like comedy, writing for

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some people and whatnot. And it really you can use all of
that negative energy to build yourself into a positive person.
And that's what I've been tryingto do.
So I find that entertainment seems to be my strong suit,
whether it's playing music, whether it's, you know, joking
around my friends, writing comedy for some friends and

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whatnot, doing podcasting, interviewing people and finding
out interesting things about them.
It's it's really just being about a positive person.
I don't know. So you try to you try to keep
the the vibes on the more positive on the positive side,
right? Is that is that fair?
Yeah, it's the old punk adage ofPMA.

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Positive mental attitude. Gotcha.
So. So you said you were a musician
longer than you were a comedian,Is that correct?
Yeah, about almost 20 years as aguitarist and drummer, Bassist
all their stuff lately, but. So what drove you from music to

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comedy? It just, it seems like you're an
artist at heart, just generally speaking.
But what you kind of through comedy and there is like a a
pivotal thing in the last, you know, couple of years for you.
So what was it that kind of drove you into comedy?
Mainly the freedom of expression, being able to say
what's on your mind with the kind of expectation, like the

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almost the lack of expectation of actually having a point and
just being entertaining. Like it's you don't, you don't
have. That's the one thing I like
about comedy is you don't have to actually mean what you're
saying. In a way, if you're entertaining
people, it's it's for the better.
You can say, you know, like for example, you can say a racist

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joke and just because it's racist doesn't mean it's bad,
but you can still entertain people as long as it's not
hurting people. Right.
Do you? Do you find that a silly
question? Do you find that words tend to
not hurt people? Well, they they definitely
can't. Right, right that.

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Really depends. It depends on the motive.
Right. So like a racist joke would
would maybe actually cause some harm to some people, right?
So but but your point is that it's not.
It's not. It shouldn't, especially in
comedy. It shouldn't have to, because I
think that in comedy we can't make fun of the things that are

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only funny. We have to make fun of the
things that aren't funny becausewe need to put that light in the
darkness. Yeah.
Would you say that most comedians are astute observers
of the public? Good comedians, yes.
Yeah, good comedians. Yeah.

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What do you, what do you fall inthat spectrum?
I I really don't know where I fall in that spectrum.
I know I'm on a spectrum somewhere, but I don't know what
aspect. You can.
You're going to rank yourself onthat on a one to 10 scale.
Where would you fall on that? Oh, I'm I'm going to have to
rate myself. I'm going to have to rate myself

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low even though I am I I am for the over ego versus also
shitting on yourself constantly.Fair enough.
Rate myself at a three if anything.
Three. All right.
Some people might say higher, but I'm going to say that
they're a fucking idiot. I feel that's that's fair.
I think it most comedians peak at at 5, right?

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That's that's like anything above 5.
You're just, you're killing it. You're a legend.
So what? What kind of comedy do you
usually partake in? What do you what do you enjoy
constructing as far as jokes go or what what is your comedic
medium, if you will? Is it like online?

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Is it like you know, in in written word?
Is it stand up? Is it, you know, television A.
Mix of stand up and sketch. OK, OK.
What is that? What does that usually look
like? Just for example, me and my
buddy were just talking about I can't figure as a stand up joke,

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but I figure it would be good asa sketch of two serial killers
out on a out on a rampage and they just meet up with each
other and be like oh dude, shit,I thought this was your day.
You know, kind of the dog. I got Thursdays dude.
OK, so like a like a John Wick meets the Purge?

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Just a couple kind of, you know,Michael Myers.
Shaun of the Dead. Michael Myers and John Wayne
Gacy meet up and they're like, fuck, dude, I had this day, man.
This is my day. I don't.
Know it was just it was just a rough sketch idea we had.
Yeah, I mean it. I feel like it's got potential.
Anything from that to you know, I've I have a book of stand up

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for 10 years here. You've been doing what?
I have I have a book of stand upjokes written of 10 years here
that they might be a little too might be a little too racy for
this pod. So what was your comedic

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venture? You're still, you're still on
this, right? So you still practicing comedy,
actively doing shows and stuff? No, I'm writing for people.
You're mostly writing right now.Yes, because the area that I'm
in doesn't really. You have to pay basically pay to

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get on stage. Gotcha.
I mean, that seems like, yeah, that system sucks.
I mean, as a musician, you probably saw that too, right?
No, as a musician, it was they, they wanted you to get in.
So then the you could sell the tickets for them and we did.
Oh yeah, see, that's that was the pay to play that I remember

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that was a lot of the LA scene. And it's funny that a lot of
people still don't understand that.
That's the thing, Like you literally don't take anybody as
long as you're making the money.If they know you have a
following and they give you 30 tickets, they say, yo, you sell
these 30 tickets, you're going to get some money.
It's like, all right, cool 30. Yeah, we.
We sold sixty of them motherfuckers.

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Yeah, that's how those are the numbers I recall the 60 to 100
range, yeah. We know we we got decent, we got
a decent crowd, but not not nothing huge, only a a couple
1000. Yeah, good times.
So would you say that you did more, more, more gigging as a

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musician than comedian, or are you kind of putting up numbers
on the comedy side? Oh no, mostly musician.
Yeah, is the how did you get into the writing aspect of it
though, specifically just to bring it back to the comedy.
Just because I wasn't able to perform and then some people I

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knew who were actually able to travel and whatnot, I was just
able to give them ideas and be basically a sound board back at
them and be like, yeah, punch itup like this and do this for
that, you know? OK.
So do you kind of start off likea like a comedy consultant and
then kind of shift into a comedywriter or you're just kind of

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throwing a tip out there and then seeing if they bite and
then like, hey, maybe we can do a thing and it'll work out.
For both of us, I never really thought of it as that.
I just kind of some friends someof continue to give them advice
and then they just kept asking me about shit.
Yeah. Are you funnier than some of

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your comedian other? For comedian friends who
actually get to get on stage andstuff, would you say that?
I don't know, It's, I think it'smore that it's just because
you're friends, you're able to work so well together that you
can bounce ideas really well offthem.
You know, they're a nice game ofping pong because they're able
to play at your level. You're able to bounce good ideas

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off them. Because I guarantee you, I
cannot just do that to anybody. It had to be somebody I knew.
Why do you think that is? Relatability, 100%, they're on.
If they're on your level, you can, you can, you can get on
their level comedic wise and be like, yo, this is funny.
This is why we find this funny, and This is why it's going to

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work. And and is that right?
So you do you do you write basedon like your shared experience,
right. Because it's like.
Yeah, obviously. You can, you can write in
connection. Yeah, No, but like if you can
construct and and deconstruct and understand the mechanics of,
you know, we'll say like writinga joke, right?

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Like then it wouldn't, would it matter that much who you're
writing it for if you're just writing a joke?
Or do certain jokes only work with certain people?
I mean, I kind of, I kind of look at it as in like if you're
doing gross jokes on somebody, you look at somebody, you can't
write a good roast joke just, oh, you look like a this.

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You sound like a this. You have to get to know that
person to understand what they're about.
And then you can actually formulate a good joke that's
actually going to work on them on multiple levels.
And then you can run that through your standard, you know,
either rule of threes or set up punch, whatever you want to go
with. What is the rule of threes?

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Rule of Threes. Have you given an example of
something? You got to go with this, this
and then of this. Something about that formula
usually works way better than doing just one or two the rule.
Of three is relevant to 111 topic or the punchline or
something. I think it's more just formulaic

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and it just works aesthetically and with cadence more than
anything. Cadence and delivery.
Can you give me an example of the rule of three situation?
I have no idea what that is. Honestly, it's hard to think of
an example right off the bat, but like, I think, you know,

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probably, ah man, this is going to be a dated, A dated ass
fucking reference. But oh.
That's cool, that's fine. Juopo lock in a Nazi walk into a
bar. OK.
Like the son about how it works.So you're literally just doing

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something three times? It's usually in reference to
like when you're making, it's like I said, it's usually used
in reference to something where you're trying to make three
points like, oh, this and then that.
And also this, because one, people laugh at two people like,
oh, he's continuing and you takea pause and then you do the

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third and it's like, oh, he's still going.
Gotcha, so you're just compounding the effect of a a
joke. Yeah.
And usually, depending on, like I said, cadence and delivery,
that's where it really works is because you have to formulate it
to the point where as long as you're getting laughs in the
first, you get laughs in the 2ndand you take a pause and deliver

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the 3rd and it should be the bighit.
Interesting. Do you, do you have like a joke
that you've written or maybe onethat you've you've performed in
in the past or something that just, it's like it just slaps
every time. Could you even do it justice on
a microphone? I don't know about slaps every

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time, but it's definitely one that's it hits in certain area.
It hits in certain rooms and does not hit in other rooms, but
I can do 1. OK, let's let's do it if you're
up for it. Well, because you know, as
you've mentioned that I've, I'vebeen playing music for a while,
so you know, I have a little bitof hearing damage from all the

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loud noise and the music, right?Right.
So I don't know, have you have you heard of tinnitus?
Tinnitus, yeah. Tinnitus.
Yeah, it's a hearing. You know, I got a little bit of
that tinnitus, so I usually try to sleep with a white noise
machine. Gives you that static, the

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waves, ocean sounds, all that stuff.
But that because I play drums a lot, that really isn't that loud
enough. So I had to get myself a black
noise machine. But that was just too much like
inner city noise. They kept talking over my TV

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programs and my movies. They kept yelling shit out.
Was that the bunch line? Black noise machine.
Gotcha. I can see why that would not hit
in certain places. Yeah, some people, they, they

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get it right away. Other people, they just do not
like that. Yeah, No, I can see why.
Like do you, do you, do you kindof like buy about?
I mean, I guess since you're notperforming a bunch and and other
people are performing the the jokes, like do you, is it like
customary to kind of vibe out like in a in a in a room?

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Like, OK, this joke might not bethe best here.
Maybe I should not use it here. Is that.
Oh yeah, no, it's you have to read the room.
Yeah, What would be like, would you get your ass kicked in the
wrong room with something like that?
Is that how that goes? And so like it's like I don't
know if I want to get my ass kicked today it.
Really depends on the venue. If you're doing open mics and

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restaurants you're you might getyour ass kicked.
If you're doing open mics in a comedy club, you're probably
going to be fine. Yeah, see.
But then like, that seems like cowarding behind like freedom of
speech. And then and then he kind of
like, well, I'm not going to tell that joke in a room full
of, you know, minorities. You don't want to tell no, It's

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the you don't want to tell that joke in front of a bunch of old
ladies eating fish in a seafood restaurant.
But if you're it's, it's really the room.
It like an open mic in a restaurant.
They're there for food, not entertainment.
Comedy Club People are there forcomedy and entertainment.
I understand. That's the big difference is
what they're there for. You got to read the room, read

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the vibe because you go to a restaurant, you're going to do
some late night talk show kind of comedy.
You're going to do you know youryour clean set.
Right, more more of a Seinfeld set.
Exactly. Gotcha.
You go to a comedy club. That's it should be.
And that's what is what I love about comedy and music is your

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freedom of expression of yeah, this is what I'm doing.
As long as you're not hurting people and actually sitting
there going yo I hate this groupof people or something.
Yeah, and like just full on likeMichael Richards shit, right?
Is that? Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's, that's, that's way, that's way, way past the
line. Even that like there's a lot of
jokes that you still shouldn't do because it's like that's

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clearly hate. Right.
It really depends on where it's coming from man.
You can make jokes, but don't put your beliefs out there in
comedy. Is that, I mean, I feel like
that's like really common in, inmost artistic ventures right
now, just in, in all media of types, right?

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Is that not like The thing is toput your politics and your your
religious heart on the sleeve and just throw it out there?
See, that's that's why I'm agnostic to pretty much religion
and politics. I don't give a shit when anybody
does. As long as they're not hurting
other people, I don't care. What do you think that like some

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people tend to in in the comedy spaces tend to lead with that
kind of stuff primarily and they're in their Joe
constructing or in their sets orjust like a full theme around
these kind of things outside of the fact that they're maybe
relevant, newsworthy or something?

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I think it's because, like you said, it is topical.
And I think it's because insteadof writing from the heart,
they're just going to take whatever's hot topic basically
and just take, make a take on it.
Instead of taking personal experiences or interesting or
actually writing something unique and new, which is

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insanely hard nowadays because everything's been done.
But you know, if you have nothing to write on, that's what
you're going to go to is hot takes on anything new and
topical. Not saying that the comedians
who are doing that are are disingenuous or anything like

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that, but. I mean, they're, they're
cheating and. I want to say cheating is like
again. If you it's.
Literally you're running out of topics, so you're going to go
with whatever is new and hot that's median.
Because you can still make a great point, make an amazing
joke on something like that, but.

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So it's not cheating. Only.
Only if you're not doing a take that's been done 1000 fucking
times, yeah. I'm mostly joking, but like,
what do you with everything thathas been done and said and and
just finding nuance and and novelty and in in this space,

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how how do you like, how do you even start to approach joke
constructing with that in the back of your mind?
Again, I I like to lean on life experience everything that's
unique because everything that happens to you can't.
I mean, it probably has happenedto somebody else in some facet,

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but with your take on your own shit that nobody else can write
that. Yeah, that's why I love
interviewing all sorts of people, because I hear insane
hot takes about everything in life.
Right, right, right. Especially when you're

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interviewing random people on the Internet, It's like everyone
does have a really unique perspective, but if you
interview enough people, you won't hear anything that you
haven't heard before. Exactly.
I'm not saying that all people are a boss and we live in the

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matrix, but. Could be.
Man, I, I get in, I get into a lot of his conspiracy theories,
believe me. Yeah, I have no idea.
I I wish I knew. Do you go on tour with these
guys that you're you're writing for?
No. No, you just just just the pen

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guy. Yep, I'm just a guy with the
notebook writing down shit constantly.
Do you so you obviously keep in touch with all of these these
comedians. Is it is it like a lot?
Is it like a business that you have like have formed around the
writing aspect? Or is it just kind of friends
doing friends favors and and just kind of doing a thing

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together? I have friends doing friends
favors and then they they go like, hey, I know this guy.
You might want some advice on this and that and then that kind
of stuff. That's pretty cool.
Do you think this is something that you're going to be doing
long term? About writing, hopefully I'm I'm

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going to continue doing that, but I'm really hoping on the I'm
I'm trying to lean on the podcast in here.
Yeah, let's kind of want to touch on that for a little bit.
Is is it a comedy podcast? I mean, I, I call it a comedy
podcast because we're always joking around.

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It's not focused on like doing comedy, but I call it a comedic
podcast because basically what it is is it's just me
interviewing anybody, talking about their life, their life
experiences, shit that they've been through, you know, stories
only they can tell that kind of shit.

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And then throughout, we also do some passive knowledge to find
out if you're a dumb son of a bitch and I kind of do comedy
and roast you along the way kindof thing, you know?
Oh, that's funny. Gotcha.
Like I've seen videos like that on like YouTube and stuff and
they're always pretty good. I don't know how many of those
are doctored though. They seem kind of sometimes.

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So the so you do have some comedic aspects in the podcast
and what like what do you enjoy?Like what kind of drove you to
to start the podcast and what doyou enjoy about doing that?
Well, watch What kind of drove me to it is watching all these
podcasts with these. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's

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a lot of comedians that I love and watched for years and years.
But all of these comedy podcastshave basically devolved into
talking about the industry and the media, this and that
bullshit. And I'm like, I want some real
takes from real people instead of just oh let's interview this
next famous fucking person. Hey, fuck that.

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Some real people have some better takes than these people,
probably. Yeah.
I want to. I wanted to give a platform to
those who don't have one who might want one.
Do you think that everyone who doesn't have a platform should
be platformed? No, definitely not.
OK. I guess that the people who want

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a platform who who you know, who, who don't have one, that
want one, they can talk to me. And then if I'd realize, hey,
you're a fucking idiot, I'm not going to put you on there.
Yeah, I mean, and also podcasting is free, so anyone
can do it. It's amazing.
Yeah, I mean, that's that's one of the that's one of the great
things is like, hey, let let's let's try to get a thing going

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you. Yeah.
OK. So you wanted to get some
different takes, 2 questions. Who's your favorite comedian
Question favorite? Comedian, can I ask, are you
asking like legendary or like upand coming?

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We'll do one of each. Legendary Foof got to go with
Bill Bear. Bill Burr?
Never heard of him. Who else?
You've never heard of Bill Burr,OK.
Never heard of Bill Burr? Up and coming Shane.
Shane Gillis. Never heard of him.

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Well, I don't know any of these comedians.
Yeah. Are you sure these are
comedians? Are these guys new?
If if anybody in the comedy community heard you say you
don't know who Bill Burr or Shane Gillis was, they, you'd,
they, they would just, you'd be done.

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Yeah, how funny could they be though, if I've never heard of
them? Bill motherfucking Bird.
He's been around since Dave Chappelle.
Who's that? Now you're saying you don't know
Dave Chappelle. Yeah, is that the guy with the
funny mustache from the movies in the the black and white
movies, right. You're clearly fucking with me

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here. I'm totally fucking around, man.
I understand not knowing chain Gillis.
Yeah. As well, to say I'm going to
have to find somebody to trace your IP, we're coming to you.
That's so funny. Yeah, no, I I've definitely Bill

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Burr is pretty funny. Bill Burr, dude.
Who's that? Who's that redhead that Tony
Hinchcliff has all the time? Like dude, I just saw a clip.
William Montgomery. God, that dude is a fucking
riot, bro. He cracks me the fuck up.
Yeah, he's gonna stop. Yeah, no, he's he's another

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breed of comedian because it's it's such a weird thing he does
where it's like it doesn't really matter what he writes for
a joke. He sells it so well with stage
presence. Yeah.
Confidence that it's it's funny no matter what.
Yeah, he's just an absolute riotof a character, man.
Just his delivery is just phenomenal and he's such a goofy

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looking fuck. He can bomb and still do well.
He he shakes it off pretty good.I think that that in itself is a
talent learning how to fall correctly, right?
Yeah, he's a he's a different breed.
Him and a few of the other kill Tony people are they're a
different breed. Yeah, OK, so Sheen, Gillis and

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Bill Burr. I mean, there's obviously so
many people like Patrice O'Neal.Oh.
Dude, those are the days though.Those are the days I grew up on.
I mean Carlin's obviously up there, but yeah I mean a live
modern yeah Burr is the big legend in my opinion and the up

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and Comer possible legend is definitely shame Gillis because
of his weird I'm a frat dude yetI'm still a teddy bear aspect.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got like a.
I'm a bully, but I'm not a bully.
Yeah, if they if they like, if they did a like a recasting of

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like, you know, was it Roseanne?He would definitely play, play
the dad. He's like that weird.
Like he's a dude, but he's also like not a cock, but he could
be. But he drinks beer.
So like it still works. So, you know, he's a man and you
know, he's like holding down theFort and he still runs the

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house, but he he might be getting packed and we don't
know. And that's an S&L bit for sure.
That's going to be an S&L bit, even though he got cancelled
from SNL and he hosted twice since he got cancelled.
Yeah, that's an SNL. Was it for the retard common
joke thing or something? Is that or was that before that?

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Is that sound about Asians? Oh, I mean.
It wasn't even bad. Yeah, you know.
I'm not going to, obviously, I'mnot going to say anything, but
yeah, whatever. Comedy is comedy.
It's supposed to be taken as comedy, not real life.

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Yeah. So what do you, what do you
think is driving like, because you mentioned that like you're
in your podcast, you like, you like talking to like normal
people because you want fresh ass takes on on relevant topics,
I presume. And you're, you're, you kind of
have bad taste with the, the, the more mainstream podcasting
community because they seem to just have this like cycle of

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people and it looks like they'rekind of just dude, It's, it's
like they're doing the same likeMSNBC pundit bullshit where
they're all doing the rounds, except they're doing it on the
podcast scene with like the sameguys.
What do you think drives that other than like?
Yeah, social media views, it's all, it's all all right.

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This, this guy was on this podcast.
They got a. Lot of views.
And it's kind of solo, but at the same time, that's like what
everything kind of ends up beingin a way, because that what
else? I mean, that's what you want to
do is write, be successful. So when you're successful,
you're going to keep doing the same things that are getting you
views, getting you watches, you know, everything else.

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So why wouldn't you do it? Yeah, I just, it's interesting
that everyone seems to have the same definition of success.
I know that. I mean, that's one of the things
that I want to keep true to my podcast is not necessarily
interviewing famous people. It's interviewing people with,

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you know, unique stories like let's say I was to interview a
Joe Rogan or a. I've never a.
Bill Burr or whatever, I want tobe asking them like, oh, tell me
about what got you famous. I'd just be asking them about
them, their lives. I don't give a shit about what
you're doing famously in this. I want to know like, you know,

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have you, when's the last time you shit your pants?
Cool kind of questions, you know.
Yeah, that's. Why I ask?
Right. I have insane questions that
shouldn't be asked to people at that status.
I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I mean, I definitely would
love to interview some some, youknow, some people with some

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weight behind their name. But I think I'm in the same boat
as you where like for me, this was a selfish venture to kind of
answer a question and just talk to fucking people and be
accountable to something that doesn't have any pressure on it
from my life. It's just something that I do
and I enjoy doing and like have enjoyed doing doing.

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And I didn't even realize I was enjoying and until I just kind
of manifested and like, OK, cool.
This is actually pretty fun. And so like to me, the
definition of success on this islike being able to just post
another episode next week. Like that's it, bro, you know,
and like, I don't I don't give ashit if this ever makes money or

(32:18):
not. I don't give a shit if I get a
sponsor or not. I don't give a shit if fucking
what any of that. And but like on the more famous
mainstream side of this stuff, it seems to be that like, it's,
it's like that episode of South Park where everyone's sniffing
their own farts out of a fuckingwine glass except for

(32:38):
podcasting. And it's like.
This. Massive.
It's like this massive circle jerk of like doing the same
thing and it's like, but like I would probably be doing the same
thing with my friends, right? I don't know.
Yeah, if I could. I mean, I'd have all my buddies
sitting here if I have a nice DSLR camera, whatever the fuck

(32:59):
they call those. Yeah.
Sniffing farts? Yeah, I'd be sitting here
sniffing farts, talking shit anddoing the same thing we're doing
but with my buddies on camera trying to make money on it.
Trying to fucking get sponsored.The same time, like like you

(33:19):
said, like I'm not defining success by whether I get
sponsored, how much money I make, it's being able to create
the product I create that I wantto stand behind.
Right. Yeah.
I just. It's never been appealing to me
to be like, all right, my definition of success is
measured by how much Dick I can suck.
And it's like, well, I don't know, dude.

(33:41):
Like these knees can only fucking take so much, you know,
like. Like getting, getting into
music, like, you know, you go, oh, I want to be a fucking rock
star. And then after a while of doing
that, you go, you know what, screw trying to be a rock star.
I want to be able to express myself through my music and have

(34:02):
at least a group of people appreciate it.
I don't care if everybody appreciate it.
I want to just make people happy.
Yeah, thanks, John Lennon, for good thing.
I'm just kidding. The fucking Beatles suck.
Yeah. I are overrated in my opinion.
Wildly overrated. Don't.

(34:24):
Get me wrong, they had some hitsbut shit.
Yeah, but I mean, so did Nickelback, you know what I
mean? I'm not going to argue with
that. Some nickelback bangers.
That's about Rocket. It's.
Fun. Oh my God, it really was.

(34:45):
So what's what's, what's your goal for the podcast for real,
other than than getting fresh takes on on some more relevant
topics? Like what does that look like
for you? For real?
I want to be able to bring the podcast to base.
I mean, obviously to get a lot more views so that way I can get
anybody who wants to talk about their interesting life to come

(35:08):
on and be able to talk about it if they want to.
You know, I want to get at leastbig enough where I reach a level
where I'm getting people to go, yo, I have this crazy career or
I've been through this kind of shit in my life and it can
actually give them a platform tospeak their mind.

(35:28):
And then I asked them silly ass questions and call him an idiot
for not knowing some stupid trivia questions.
Yeah, that's, I like that spin. That seems fun.
Because if it's one thing that this world is missing is a
little bit of fucking humility. And that's a good way to do it.
You're doing the Lord's work, technically.

(35:50):
And you're not the first one to tell me that I'm just kidding.
But I'm I'm running off that. I run on that Tony Hinchcliffe
ego and then the altar of it, ofgoing you ain't shit.
So I'm the best and the worst atthe same time.
Yeah, that's amazing. That's how you keep your ego in

(36:13):
check. You tell yourself you this shit
and then you're also cold Diary and a Dixie cup.
Yep. So do you.
Are you like having? I just totally fucking blanked
out on that question bro. I had that diarrhea cup in my
head and like 2 girls in One Cupalso emerged and I was trying to

(36:33):
put two and two together. Another classic.
Another classic. I wish it wasn't though, you
know what I mean? Because like for all the fucking
bandwidth and run away on the fucking Internet the young ones
have these days, it's like you never experienced that kind of
fucking trauma as a 12 year old visiting 2 girls in One Cup for
the fucking first time because your friend masked a link and

(36:54):
sent it to you via AIM. Oh like I said man, I'm 30.
I was just showing that on dial up by my cousins.
That's how we all received that message.
Don't. Get me started on that shit up,
girl. Oh my God, I'm still, I'm still
trying to figure out what was going on with her face.
I don't know what the fuck that was was that.

(37:17):
That that's that's, that's a legendary question.
Yeah, that's amazing. So do you do you interviewed
like literally anybody? Is that like anybody's on the
table? Male, female, cat, dog, like
anything. Anybody you can speak and hold a
conversation for at least 10 minutes, 15 minutes.
We like to do an hour, but we'll, we'll accommodate.

(37:40):
We'll accommodate anytime we like to do an hour, but if
you're only down for 10 minutes,that's what we're going to do.
We'll make a, we'll make a MASH episode.
We'll, we'll put fucking 10 people in one episode.
I don't care. 10 minutes. What kind of questions?
Like do you have a format like what kind of questions do you
usually ask? Like, oh, I have a job on there.
I have a whole book of. I have a whole.

(38:01):
Bible of questions, Do you just kind of thumb through it and
then just fucking? Yeah, I try to cater the
questions to somebody's specificdemographic, whether they're
male, female, how old they are, because obviously some questions
won't hit the same with a 40 year old than it will a 18 year
old do. You try.
Have you tried? Yes, I've tried.

(38:25):
I've I've interviewed technically thousands of people
because I started doing beta testing on Chatroulette.
Oh, did you? That's interesting.
That's like cash cap for for like interviewing though, That's
awesome. Yeah, it's not.
It's not just oldies jerking offanymore.
That's good. It's progressed.
It's actually like Tinder. It's like, it's like Tinder.

(38:45):
You actually have to click yes on somebody.
But is it like Tinder where you have to put your ID in before
you start using it? Well, I don't remember.
I was not on Tinder when that happened, but.
Isn't that a relative new thing that they're doing or some shit?
I haven't been on that. I haven't been on that in over
four or five years now. Oh, yeah, yeah.

(39:08):
I usually don't go to the trash can and I'm trying to make my
life better. You know what I mean?
Yeah, I just. Yeah.
But now I ask any sort of question, like right now, how
about this, You were to go out to a karaoke bar and you had to
sing a song. What song you choosing?
That's a good question. Even if you're not a karaoke

(39:30):
dude, gun to your head, you go into a yakuza bar and you have
to sing karaoke. They're like, yo, fuck you, you
just singing. Easy bro, don't stop believing
journey. Oh, class as.
Soon as that, yeah. As soon as that kicks in, the
whole bar's stopping. You know what I mean?
All right. All right.

(39:50):
Everyone's going, yeah. So yeah, I can assume you're
about at least 30 years old, correct?
I'm, I'm, I'm in the fucking in the vicinity, yeah.
You smoked cigarettes in your past.
Cigarettes. Yeah.

(40:12):
Yeah, at some point. I stopped a while ago.
They're not very good. When you were smoking
cigarettes, you ever steal the butt of a cigarette out of
somebody else's ashtray or the gas station ashtray?
No, but a a meeting ashtrays. A a meeting, ashtrays.
Yeah, some of those people leave.
Fucking fallen soldiers. Those are halfies.

(40:34):
Yeah. Leave.
Leave no man behind, dude. Yeah, those are like gold, bro.
When you're when you're a newcomer, it's fucking rough
pickings out there. No, you said you're you're
Pacific, so you're West Coast, right?
On West Coast, yeah. Well.
You're stumbling through the fucking.
I can hear the book right now. I can hear the leaves turning of

(40:55):
the this fucking Bible of questions.
If you had a, if you had a camera on, you would see.
I literally have a binder with fucking tabs.
That's. Crazy.
Yeah. No, I'm, I'm organized.
I've been doing this for a couple of months.
APDF wasn't working out. Oh, no, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a
physical media kind of guy. I have analog.

(41:18):
You say you do. Anal A lot.
I mean, I'm, I'm not, I'm down for some butt stuff, but.
For sure. I I'm a I'm a straight man, but
guess what? It's it's not bad the.
Bills got the bills got to get paid. 20 bucks is 20 bucks but
so in the in the Pacific you call Ding Dong ditch anything

(41:41):
else? Fuck I don't I I vaguely recall
a a fucking terrible name for itthat I don't remember exactly
how it goes, but it would not beappropriate for any podcast.
Yeah, no, that was actually the last, the last person I exited

(42:03):
podcast was said that and I was like, yeah, it's the first two,
the first 2 letters of knuckles.Yeah, I.
Actually no, no, it's it's reverse knuckles.
Oh shit, I don't remember. Well, I can't remember what it
was called, but yeah, I know there was a fucked up name for
it, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
It was when I was growing up, wehad a name for jury rigging,

(42:26):
something that was. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
But no, we have Canada calling it, calling Ding Dong Ditch
Nikki, Nikki Ninedor. What the fuck is that?
And then my favorite is multiplepeople from Connecticut, the
state Connecticut, call it knock, knock, zoom, zoom.

(42:48):
What the fuck? Oh my goodness, are these all in
your notes too when you're asking the questions?
Yep. This is fucking brilliant
actually. I actually respect the binder
now way more than I did when we started this.
This is This is why I have a binder of content.
Plus I also do drink and smoke alittle bit of and.

(43:09):
You're and you're doing video with all this, correct?
Yes. Oh yeah, yeah, that's awesome if
you. Were to if you were to see me
right now, you'd be you'd be baffled at what I actually look
like. I.
Imagine Stone or Jesus. OK, All right, I can see it.

(43:36):
Ever been dumpster diving? Dumpster diving.
Or is somebody called it Ben Yakin?
Ben Yakking. I don't know where they, I can't
remember where they were from, but they called it Ben Yakin.
Ben Yakin. I've never heard that term, Sir.

(43:57):
Yeah, no, you never been dumpster diving, man.
You find some good shit. I've never been dumpster diving.
No, I've I've I've fallen on some desperate times in my life,
but never fortunately, never never that that dire.
So have you, have you had any like fucked up situations when

(44:17):
you're doing like the podcastingstuff?
Like things were going a certainway and you're just like, whoa,
this is not the way I expected this to be going right now.
And maybe you found yourself in a situation.
Not recording OK. But not recording.
That's good. Beta testing on the on the chat

(44:40):
roulette shit. You never know when you're on
crackhead who's doing crazy crackhead shit.
That's why I don't record on there because even if they
consent to it, I don't think they're in the best judgement to
consent. We're not a video of Cosby
podcast. We don't record you without
Jesus. Fucking Christ bro that's

(45:03):
fucking wild. That's.
Good. We don't just record you.
That might have been your best joke so far, at least.
At least appreciate it from my end as far as how how into the
gallows that went. All right, I'll take it.
Those two fucking pieces of shitbro it's so crazy.

(45:25):
What? What a fucking crazy turn of
events for that motherfucker. I would have never guessed in a
million years that that's where we would be.
Just a fucking full on Epstein style fucking conspiracy
unfolding. Oh yeah, that list just keeps
coming out and out and it's like, what is happening?
Yeah. How deep is this going to go?
It's fucking wild. It's like, I mean, that's one

(45:45):
way to bury the fucking Epstein shit, right?
Fucking open up the book on another guy.
My question is, who's next? Fuck daddy, who's next?
Oof, that's a good question. What's your guess?
Wait, maybe we should do that. I don't want to implicate any.

(46:06):
Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying.
Maybe we should do that. Let's we'll keep that.
Just in case I do get the sponsorship, I'm not going to
call anybody out, right? Yeah.
It's better better if they just not say OK.
On my camera, I do have a few brands that I shout out even

(46:27):
though I'm not sponsored yet, but I'm not going to.
I'm not going to take any super hard stances.
Yeah, that's probably for the best.
That's funny. What do you what do you find the
most different? Let's turn this into like a why
podcasting might be difficult orsucks or might be not as what

(46:47):
people perceive it to be. What has been the most difficult
challenge for you as a podcaster, as a comedic
podcaster even? What is is there any like
specific like niche challenges for a comedic or comedian
podcaster or just podcasting in general?
I mean, obviously the one thing that's pretty clear to everybody

(47:09):
is the oversaturation of the market, because I mean,
everybody's got a fucking podcast.
Yeah. But the other thing is, is just
actually getting everything together.
Once you realize when you record, you got to do editing,
you have to find guests, you have to do promotion, you have

(47:30):
to do all this. And it's it's a lot more work
than you think actually goes into it.
Yeah, I don't do any of that. Yeah, I know.
Unless you have people that workfor you.
Like I said, I got a producer and he does a, he does a great
deal for me. But yeah, a lot of it's left on
my shoulders. And that's still, you know,

(47:50):
it's, it's a lot of weight. It's a lot of weight, it's a lot
of work too. How much time do you think that
you spend doing you know, post production shit or even like pre
production like booking and stuff like totaled out?
Like you know, how much does 1 episode actually cost you?
Like as far as time goes? Well, let's we'll take the.

(48:11):
High end of an episode, right? So like an hour.
If I do, yeah, if I do an episode hour, I mean an hour
episode, the post production is going to be finishing pre pro.
That's probably about at least 8to 10 hours, right?
Holy shit. Of finding the guests, doing the

(48:32):
pre pro, making sure they can get whatever service we're
running on right interview, whether it's camera audio which
we usually. Oh yeah, I forgot you guys are
running cameras. I keep forgetting.
Yeah. And then after that I got a con.
Usually now I'm running OBS so it's converted put it through

(48:54):
the editing process and go through the editing process
cutting out anything I need to cut out, putting the the cards
in in the beginning, the outro card, then plugging all their
socials, Everything else. It's it's a reason I work like
I'm actually in the process. All I got I just finished an

(49:16):
episode and I got to all I got to do is do the their socials
and post it basically and hopefully because I converted
it, it's not going to look like shit hopefully.
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't consider how most
podcasts are kind of opening or not have opened the door to the

(49:37):
video side of things and how more technical that might be or
how much more demanding that might be with time.
Because for myself, I find that the most time consuming thing is
the constructing of BIOS and that like show notes and stuff.
Because I, I take my time on them a little bit.

(50:00):
And I want to make sure that allmy, you know, my guest
information is correct and I'm presenting my guest and, you
know, as a. During post.
Product. Yeah, courteously.
I asked them, you know, is thereanything you want me to cut out?
And also if you have your card ready to send me with all of
your information, I can copy andpaste it.
I'd like that if I can just takewhatever you have on all of your

(50:23):
socials and copy and paste it. Yeah.
Anything. Yeah, I usually just ask people
to do just give me something andthen I'll make it work.
I don't. I don't try to burn in people
too much with it. That's but the video side of
things. Are you doing all that by
yourself too? I'm doing all the editing
myself, yes. OK, yeah, that's got to be super

(50:46):
time consuming. 8 to 10 hours, you said.
That's fucking rough. I mean I I try to split it up in
a few days going from work to dosome work.
Have you overall found what whatis like the most pleasurable
thing about the podcasting worldthat you think has been a really

(51:10):
good incentive for you to keep going?
That actually my most recent guest, he was a he's on.
He's a very famous. Oh no, I shouldn't say very
famous. He's got like 30,000 followers
on Instagram. Shadows shout out Cole's drums
on Speed. So I just interviewed a

(51:32):
Instagram drummer. He's nasty.
Oh that's cool. He said that he's been on like 3
or 4 podcasts and that mine was the funnest podcast he's been on
because he's like dude, all these other assholes just ask
you questions. You actually just made this a
fun hangout. Yeah, it sounds like you have a
really amusing element that keeps people on their toes and

(51:56):
keeps, keeps it kind of going ina way that like, I mean like
chat roulette, you don't know what you're getting.
I just I'd like to keep, I'd like to keep a loose structure
where I know why I have to hit these points, but I'm never
going to push structure. I'm going to let whatever
they're talking about guide to the guide, the podcast, because
I'm interviewing them, I'm talking to them.

(52:19):
Right. You know, I'm letting them sway
the conversation if they start talking about this.
Yeah, we're talking about this. I don't care if I had this down
for this time. Like I'm going to talk about
this shit. I guess we're talking about
Nintendo 64 for 25 minutes. Well, let's do it dude.
I did that with a gentleman named Andy.
Shout out to Andy. Awesome guest.

(52:42):
I mean, you can't say it's not one of the best consoles in the
God damn world. Yeah, I mean, it was and then
was. Phil is you son of a bitch.
It was, it was, I don't know. I mean, have you played the have
you been on the switch at all, bro?
Like. Yes, I have and I'll get that
N64 emulator running right now and show you what for.

(53:07):
That's funny. Then you a fight in my yard
buddy and by yard being a part of my apartment complex.
That's fucking awesome. Humble man, humble comedian.
Start here podcasting. What do you, what do you think
is the next the next progressionof your podcast?

(53:29):
Where, what does that look like?Are you getting a beefed up
camera set up? Are you are you getting, are you
saving up for like a $7000 Joe Rogan microphone standard 1
needs to have so that they can make 4 episodes and then stop?
What are we doing? I know the only thing I'd look
to upgrade is either the computer I'm running on or the

(53:50):
webcam because I got, I got me adecent mic here.
It works what I do because it's an ambient mic so I can play
some music and it shouldn't sound like garbage compared to
that's great to have having to do line insurance because like I
said, I'm an analogue man. I don't want to have a bunch of
plug insurance and run softwares.

(54:14):
Yeah. I got me an old Elvis looking
mic that everybody seems to enjoy.
Oh. That's cool.
What kind of do you do you have any like?
Have you experienced any serioustechnical difficulties with with
guests doing the the setup you have now?

(54:34):
Yep, but that was due to the servers that we were recording
on. Shout out the horrible.
I mean I shouldn't say horrible but GE server Riverside.
It opted me out during one interview and it also corrupted
one of the datas of my first interview.

(54:54):
That's. Rough so shout out Riverside and
then Google meets. Google meets?
Why can't you record everybody on one screen?
Why can you only show the current speaker?
What's your problem, huh? Yeah, we're going to.
We're going to look into that. Google meets not the greatest
because it only shows you who's the loudest soccer.

(55:16):
Yeah. And then RIP Skype.
That's not a thing anymore. My, that's correct.
They're done. That's what I thought.
I thought they were done. I did not know that.
It it was bloated like a mother fucker, but it seemed to be the
most stable of all things considered in that sense with
audio and video and the way thatyou downloaded it.

(55:38):
But I think they're done. They just turn into zoom.
Yeah, they got they Microsoft clapped them officially, I
believe about a month ago. Damn.
I could be wrong and if so then welcome back.
Happy Easter. You know, happy capitalism.

(55:58):
Yeah, OK, so I feel like I I should ask you some questions
about being a man, since this isa podcast about men and you are
indeed a man. As far as most definitions would

(56:20):
go. Yeah.
What it in your experience and journey as a man, what is the
biggest lie about what it means to be a man that is out there?
Does that make sense? Yeah, no.
And that's exactly what kind of what I would have had to bring
to the table for this discussionis actually having fucking

(56:44):
feelings and recognizing you can.
I'm an adult man at the age of 30 and I've cried at a goddamn
cartoon and that's. Cartoon.
Oh yeah, you're telling me you didn't you?
Didn't you telling me you didn'tcry at the beginning of UP?

(57:04):
Oh, I've never seen it. Oh, give yourself a favor and
and and shed some tears at the beginning of the movie up the
the the animated show Venture Brothers made me cry.
Video game Red Dead Redemption 2made me cry.

(57:25):
Oh, interesting. What part?
Near the end the basically the ending.
I mean I spoiler for anybody whohasn't seen it, but just I did
good in the end. Dutch, I did good.
He's a rat. Just that shit like, Oh no.
Just real tearjerker. Me, man, Hey man, I can be

(57:47):
honest with my feelings as a man.
That's good. I think.
I think most, yeah, yeah, most men have that in them, I
believe, and some just don't talk about it.
So I appreciate you bringing that up and highlighting the
fact that males are allowed to have feelings and express those

(58:08):
feelings and the way that they may manifest.
And that doesn't actually take away from any kind of manhood
that they may be experiencing orexhibiting.
Exactly like I said, I was, I was bullied and I mean, I I
really don't I it's going to be I'm going to try to censor
myself here so I don't definitely ruin this podcast.
But I was called a physically R tarded FAGGO.

(58:34):
You can figure the rest out. My entire childhood.
Me too. And I'm neither of those.
But guess what? I'm one of those.
I was, I was like, if I were to pick up the book Harry Potter
when I was a kid, I would have been just called gay.
And then I couldn't read that wasn't allowed to anymore.

(58:54):
And that is, is that where was that press manhood?
Where is that coming from though?
Where were you like? Where was that energy coming
from? Family members.
Yeah, it seems to be like adult males who are supposed to kind
of set the pace and the example right that.
Yeah, and they, they just hold you back.

(59:16):
And then you realize, at least it took me years to realize, yo,
I'm my own person. I make my fucking decisions.
I have the right to feel what I feel.
I don't want to like, unpack your childhood like terribly,
but oh. Unpacking dude.
I'm an open book dude. Unpack please.

(59:38):
Would you say that you grew up in a like a lower middle class
family? You don't know the half of it.
How deep are you? How deep you want me to go here?
I was just, it seems to be a lotof dudes I talked to.

(59:59):
Not all the dudes, but most dudes that I talked to.
Seem to have this same or similar experience with the way
that their household was constructed and the figures who
were expressing these kinds of messages and setting these poor
examples towards, you know, the the young males they were
supposed to be protecting and guiding.

(01:00:21):
And it's a fucking super unfortunate that that is the
truth of how that goes down. Yeah, and that would be pretty
close to this. I was raised by my grandparents
with two older cousins, three years and six years older than
me living in the same household.I was raised by my grandparents

(01:00:42):
because my mom was a drug addictwho actually on note sold drugs
to Journey by the way. Don't stop believing.
Yeah, no. It is a simulation.
We are in a simulation. Yeah, they didn't stop believing
in those narcotics, but also my,you know, my dad wasn't there
because he was in prison for assault and police off the

(01:01:03):
bullshit. And I don't really know the full
story there. I'm still unpacking that now
with him. Like I'm talking to him now and
like I'm like damn, I need to get this shit written down
because. Is he still in prison?
No, he's, he's, he's good and clean now.
He's he's solid now. You can do a podcast with him.
I yeah, I know. Recently he was like, yeah, I
didn't, I didn't ever told you this, but one time I was on this

(01:01:25):
street, in this, in this. We we know it as a ghetto over
here. It was this terrible area.
It was this little cul-de-sac, one in, one out.
Yeah, only one. Yeah, I used to live in one of
those ghetto's. Like yo, my buddy elbowed the
cop window out, pulled me out and we ran from the cops and we
we chopped my chains off the local train yard.
I was like wait. Wow.

(01:01:46):
Like dude, why didn't you ever tell me this?
This is amazing. Holy cow, that's some real
cowboy shit. I don't want to make him
content, but I I need to know before he passes because he's,
he's in his 60s, so in bad health.
So it's like, yeah, I got a story, pop.
Yeah, I can't think of a better way to unpack that than on a

(01:02:08):
comedy podcast where you go deepwith Dad.
Oh dude, I told him I was doing podcasts and he goes.
You doing what? Like don't worry about it.
Yeah, dude, fucking bring him onhere, dude.
Let's do it three-way family style.
I mean, I'm all for eating some lasagna with everybody, but I
don't know if I mean you got to check my Only fans for the

(01:02:30):
family style. Holy shit that's wild.
But yeah, no, because I grew up with my older cousins, three and
six years older than me. Basically my six year older
cousin who was 6 year old than me bullied the younger cousin,
his brother, and then he bulliedme.

(01:02:50):
Just, you know, that's how it works.
Right, just passing it down. So basically I just got double
bullied my entire life and that just like my name Jelly and my
nickname Jelly, the Gelatinous 1gelatinous comedy that came from
being bullied. I had a friend who I had a

(01:03:11):
friend who could not pronounce the name Joey, which my real
name is Joe. He couldn't say Joey because he
was an Asian fellow. He's so he said Jelly.
And they made fun of me for thatfor years.
And then I was like, you know what?
Fuck that. Just like the black people, I'm
going to take the power back with my name.
I'm going to use it. That's fascinating that that

(01:03:35):
that's how that that nickname emerged.
Yeah, I mean, I figured he wouldhave called me Jerry if
anything. Oh Jesus, I'm going to get
cancelled. I think America's back.
I think we're good. All right, good.
Thank you. It's Joe Byron's doing.

(01:03:56):
Really appreciate that. But yeah, no, so even that like
my name, like even that has justbeen taken back from how much I
was bullied from young age. And I'm like, fuck that dude.
I'm just, I'm going to start rolling with this because I'm
taking the power away because I'm just rolling with it.

(01:04:18):
Yeah. Do you think that like all of
those experiences as a child andthe bullying, I know that you
mentioned this when we got started, but is there, I mean,
your nickname emerged out of this, but was there like a
pivotal point that you kind of like look back into your
childhood and say that's kind ofthe moment that I became me,
right? Like, you know, like Batman can.

(01:04:42):
It's like my parents died. That's when I became Batman.
That kind of thing, but for comedy.
Not necessarily one, but it was kind of and.
Not so dark. Yeah, it was a common.
It was a culmination of all. I mean, I do remember this one
specific point where my grandmother told me, hey, when

(01:05:04):
they pick on you, tell them, youknow, sticks and stones may
break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
Yeah. And I I said that to my cousin
my my 6 year old or cousin and he said OK and he he literally
picked up rocks and threw them at me.
Yeah. That's unfortunate, son of a
bit. I was like literally nothing

(01:05:25):
works. Yeah.
So I just got to embrace this chaos and try to control it.
Gotcha. That's, I mean it's unfortunate
that you guys did not get the memo about how that order of
operations is supposed to proceed and hopefully he's

(01:05:47):
faring better today. And I, I'm never going to forget
the fact that I said a joke to my 6 year old cousin, six year
older than me. Cousin was his name was Dan.
His younger brother was Ben, three years older than him.
And then my name is Joe and I'm three years younger than him,
Ben. And I said a joke to my cousin

(01:06:10):
Dan. And he was like, that's not
funny. And I said, well, that was Ben's
joke as it was. And then when he found it funny
that I blamed it on him. And he's like, oh, it was
actually a good joke. I was like, Nah, that was
actually my joke. So I, I think at that point I
learned how to start playing thesystem and be like, you know

(01:06:34):
what, I can turn, I can turn opinions with my voice and like
my actual spit, like I don't actually have to do it.
I can just put a spin. And that's when I, you know,
that's when you learn how to, oh, that's what bullying is.
Just constantly deflecting nonsense.

(01:06:57):
Yep, either deflecting or accepting.
Yeah, emotional. Or is emotional hot potato
essentially that? That's why all the time in
school I tried they, they tried bullying me and I could just
talk my way out of it. Never got into a fight because I

(01:07:17):
could just really my way out of it.
You're smooth with the words, huh?
Apparently. Any any opinions on what the
most important contribution a man can make to the world before
he dies? Anything that leaves a positive

(01:07:43):
footprint, whether it's influential in I mean, it's not
even necessarily man, it's just any person can make, but
something that leaves a better footprint for somebody for the
net, like for the next person, whether it's making a leap in

(01:08:04):
comedy, like, you know, figuringout the next best thing or
what's funnier than last, whether it's, you know,
contributing something, any, anything that furthers any sort
of venture basically making a positive impact.

(01:08:29):
Do you think that the world is deserving of somebody's positive
impact? Honestly, no.
But it should be, it really should be because we've we've
lost that by now. But it's yeah, you got to still
got to try because what else do we got?

(01:08:50):
Yeah. What do you, why do you think
that's what do you think? Some men or even women do have
like an effect on on this, But like what do you think?
Some men get stuck on this like what it means to be a man shit
or or or like the ideal of a manand and not really and kind of

(01:09:13):
lose their the forest for the trees kind of thing and and lose
sight of like what if I'm just agood person?
Or what if I'm just a person whoorients themselves towards
what's right and what's good? Why do you think they they, some
dudes get lost in the fucking sauce of I'm a fucking man and
it's just defined by that. It's a perfect example is my

(01:09:35):
father, but it's basically ignoring.
It's ignoring your actual feelings and emotions and
running them through a filter that you shouldn't have to run
it through. Because for example, years ago,
and this is a local reference, Iwas at a Cumberland Farms which
is the local New England convenience store coffee place.

(01:10:00):
And I go in, grab a soda, whatever, like something for
breakfast. I was working with my dad at the
time and he goes, oh that that Lady behind the register is
cute. Huh?
It was a dude with dreadlocks hemust have missed seen through
the window and I knew if I told him that was a dude that would

(01:10:21):
be like a fight we would have argued and that would have like
ended our relationship just because of his insecurity of
going 0. Dude was kind of cute.
Yeah, I know a lot of dudes likethat that are, you know, my age,
your age and who's still operating that, which is like,

(01:10:43):
you think it would wash out after a couple generations,
right? And then like it just does not
it. I don't know what it is that
keeps that going, but that fucking salmon makes it up the
stream every time. And.
It's crazy. I have AI have a girlfriend of
five years and I can clearly sayeven to her, like, yo, that's

(01:11:05):
that's a handsome dude. I'm not attracted to that man.
I don't care any about like, youknow, I'm not sexually
attracted, but still I can tell,Hey, that's that's an attractive
dude, right? Yeah, that's that's there's
nothing wrong with a man saying,yeah, that dude looks good.
That doesn't mean I'm going to fuck him.

(01:11:26):
Right. There ain't no problem with
that. I'm not bisexual, I'm not gay in
any way, but still I can say yo guy's handsome.
Yes, I mean I don't I don't understand.
There seems to be like a really like hard line where I don't
know, dude, as soon as the feelings start coming in, it's

(01:11:46):
like it's too much, right? And I find that to be really,
really fucking bizarre. And everything, anything has
like some kind of like essence of, of like homosexuality to it
or it doesn't have to be homosexuality.
It just has like it has to be feminine of some sort.
And it's like it's suddenly taboo and off limits and bizarre
and it's like, it's only it's only quote gay when it's

(01:12:12):
convenient, right? Because like, like I try to make
this argument with like some of my friends sometimes where I
like I would explain to them that if they if they use toilet
paper after they take a shit, then by definition, they're
playing with their ass and therefore are experiencing
homosexual tendencies and and they're fucking adamantly would

(01:12:35):
argue against that. And it's like, well, how was
that anything but right? And it's like, it's just such a
fucking stupid game that we constantly draw these fucking
lines in the sand just to put ourselves in proximity to what
might be masculine, not be masculine, and it doesn't
actually fucking matter. My girlfriend had an ex who

(01:12:56):
would not wash his asshole in the shower because he was afraid
of touching his own asshole because it was gay.
I was totally fucking with my buddies but this is funny.
This is a legitimately real story that her one of her exes
would not scrub his asshole because he thought it was gay to

(01:13:18):
touch his own butt hole. That's that's insane dude.
I'm like, how would you stay with somebody who is that
unhygienic? I don't care how badly he
treated you, but he was not treating himself.
Yeah, you can't even get in there like and you have to,
otherwise you have to. You have to get at least, you

(01:13:41):
know, 3 knuckles deep in that right?
Yeah, this is 3 knuckles deep. A standard.
I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying to do knuckle math right
now and it's just like, I think I'm short 1.
It's about two inches. OK, Yeah, OK.

(01:14:02):
Yeah, we're we're nearing fists there.
That's that's a little far so much.
Maybe a loofah? Yeah, and I, I, I use the gritty
soap, I put the entire bar up myasshole and it cleans it out.
I mean, that's one way to fucking clean a tunnel out, you
know, Hershey Highway, Just fucking.
I like a clean cave so. It's respectable.

(01:14:29):
Never. You never knew who was going to
go plundering. You just never know You, you
actually just never know. Maybe pirates?
Jesus fucking Christ, All right is.
There did I mention or a comedy podcast?

(01:14:54):
Has there? This is a great question to
fucking segue into. Has there been anything during
this discussion or interview that has shifted you
understanding of what it means to be a man?
And not to not to take away fromwhat this podcast is, but
honestly no because I feel like I am 100% secure in my

(01:15:15):
masculinity as a man. Yeah.
No, I think that's fair. I mean, not like, is that not to
take away from what you do and what you're doing?
And I, I love this concept. I love this idea.
And I, I think, I think that's why I, you know, I wanted to
come on. This is because like, you know,
I'm, I'm completely fine is whatI am as a man.

(01:15:38):
I think that's what it is, man. And, and I think that your, your
perspective on your question, your answer to that question is,
is valid. And I, I've had some dudes who
are kind of reluctant to say that.
And it's like, I, I encourage you guys to say like, no, it
hasn't because I'm actually a fucking dude who's not insecure.
And those things that you're asking other dudes about aren't

(01:15:59):
actually relevant to my life. And that's, and, and so like the
dudes who are asking those questions are like mostly on
that other side of that, right, where it's this constant
contending for validation. And that's when we get into like
the realms of like your father or my father, right?
And it's like, those are the dudes who have problems with
that question and we're trying to find an answer to it for real

(01:16:19):
and has nothing to do with that.And I, I fucking have no idea,
man. It's kind of frustrating
sometimes as a as a dude to kindof see that happening so much in
the world and trying to answer that question honestly and
there's just never going to be an answer to it.
No, I mean I still, I still watch like if I'm watching

(01:16:42):
something with my dad and there's if if any dudes do
anything gay or kiss or something, he's just like Nah.
He literally looks away. I'm like it's a fucking TV show
dude. It's not a dude person to you.
I know I get you don't like it but whatever.
Like it's a fucking program. Like how can somebody be that

(01:17:06):
close minded in my opinion? Or it's like I get even if you
disagree with it, you literally have to like react physically to
it. What makes you that insecure?
A really A really profound experience with another man.

(01:17:28):
He wasn't. Fucking I fucking have no idea
man. He wasn't.
Yeah. He's actually, I don't know,
Howie Manson, by the way. Oh, was he?
No shit. California.
Dude you you should you that podcast has with your dad has to
happen. You should do that.

(01:17:48):
He. Would fucking hate it.
He would not want. He would not do it willingly.
I'd have to do some low key bullshit.
That's funny. All right.
Do you have any words of encouragement to share with a, a
young man out there struggling with the question of what it
means to be a man? Or maybe he's just at a low
point in his life and he's like trying to pick himself up and

(01:18:09):
doesn't have any direction. Maybe that was you at one point
in your life. And so if you can go back in
time, even talk to that guy, what would you say?
I have. I have one statement for the
younger listeners and one statement for the over.
Let's say 20 something listeners.
Fuck yeah. Perfect.
OK. Younger listeners of men who

(01:18:32):
think what being a man is supposed to be a man.
Don't worry about losing your virginity bud.
It'll happen. It's not that big of a deal.
Yes when it happens it'll changeyour mindset but guess what?
Don't chase that shit. You'll all you're going to do is
get anxiety and depression over that.
Don't think that losing your virginity is what it means to be

(01:18:53):
a man. Be yourself and that shit will
come. And for the over like let's say
20 because I I mean I lost my virginity at 20 so I want my
fuck to speak on this. But after 20 and after you lose
your virginity, whatever. Be your fucking self man.
Don't let relationships and other people's opinions guide

(01:19:17):
your actions. Live for yourself.
Stand up for your beliefs as long as they don't hurt other
people. I'm not telling you stand up for
your beliefs for your pedophile or some bestiality weirdo or
something. Don't do.
That fuck those people. But as long as your beliefs
don't hurt people, stand up for your beliefs.
Stand behind them. Be yourself, you know, Be proud.

(01:19:38):
If you're a weirdo, be fucking aweirdo.
You know, as long as you're not that kind of weirdo, it does
that weird shit. But you know, just fucking let
your free flag fly. And again, don't worry about
losing virginity buds because that shit got me all the anxiety
in the teenage years and it turns it, it fucks with your

(01:19:59):
brain. Yeah, it does.
It does. That's that's what we think as
our as our benchmark, the first like real stepping stone to
being a man. And no, it's not.
It's not. Yeah, how come it's always the,
it's all the free shit, right? It's never like you have to
fucking go to space to be a man.And it's like it's all the
fucking easy shit. It's like the fucking get up and

(01:20:22):
do your bed or get up and and fucking rub one out or get up
and go find a girlfriend or get up and it's like or have kids or
it's like all of that shit is free and the the bar to entry is
fucking literally like one braincell.
Like how is that the fucking what?
Yeah, you never just don't, don't let your your front and

(01:20:45):
head think for you what you know, use your regular head.
Yeah, sound advice, Joe. After that, I kind of want to
ask you a few more questions, ifthat's OK with you, Sir.
But dude, I'm I'm like I said, I'm an open book man.
Ask me whatever the fuck you want.
OK, if life ended for you right now, in this moment, how would

(01:21:10):
you be remembered? How do you think you would be
remembered? If my life and like if I just
like Buster, say, died of like an aneurysm, right?
I mean, sure. Or like just an overwhelming
whelming feeling of joy that just kind of.

(01:21:31):
And then you just measured, Yeah.
I would be remembered as a loving boyfriend, a solid
musician, decent if not middlingcomedian, and a mediocre
alcoholic podcast host. Is that good enough for you?

(01:21:54):
It is good enough for me. Fuck yeah, dude, that's awesome.
It's. Funny because my producer, he
asked me to write him a eulogy awhile ago.
So I started doing comedy eulogies for people.
That's amazing. That's actually really awesome.
I told him if he, you know, he leaves behind because he has a,
he has a sex doll. You know one of those things,

(01:22:18):
Just a torso with tits. Oh, one of those.
It's not even like the full 1. Not even the full body.
And he I was like, dude, I thought you died.
He's like, yeah, write me eulogy.
I was like, well, RIP is a good he's a good man.
He leaves behind a cum. So a cum so torso and an
alcoholic podcast. He found it so funny.

(01:22:40):
He showed it to his friends. That's amazing.
Even though he talked about his sex doll.
Well, since we're on the, we're on the, we're on the subject of
death and leaving things behind.Is there anything in life that
you have not accomplished that you really need to before you
you pass on? I really do want to jump out of
something really high, whether it's BASE jumping or, you know,

(01:23:02):
parachuting out of a plane or some shit like that, just
because adrenaline is the best drug ever.
Yeah, something safe. Right, something calculated and
safe. We're not just talking like
buildings here. Safe enough?
BASE jumping? Is that at?
Least if I'm going to die, I'll die doing something that I'm,
you know, getting high on adrenaline on.

(01:23:24):
I don't have to use substances. Yeah, although those are
cheaper. They're cheaper, easier to
access. Yeah, but definitely not
recommending. Yeah, I'm not.
I'm not for that stuff. I came from a junkie family so I
don't want to touch that hard sheet.

(01:23:46):
Yeah, All right. Is there anything during this
interview that I did not ask youthat you wish I would have asked
you? I don't think so, But you know,
I mean, I think, I think you've encompassed pretty much
everything that you were settingout to ask.

(01:24:10):
Not that I can think of, man. OK, Is there anything you'd like
to share, promote with the audience, such as your podcast?
Where can they all find it? Yeah, you can find my podcast
jammed up with Jelly at Gelatinous Comedy on the
Instagram and the YouTube. And if you use TikTok, you can

(01:24:31):
find me at the Gelatinous one. But besides that, we also, if
you do do e-mail instead of any of those socials, Jelly Pod 4/20
at Gmail. And we also have an advice line
where we like to give people where if they want to call in
with any sort of problem about their life, work, relationship,

(01:24:52):
they have anything they want somebody to give them advice on
call in. You can leave a voicemail on
that where me and possibly my producer will give you our
terrible advice on how to solve whatever issue you're going
through. You can find that you can call
that number at 774-260-2331. I realized for about two months,

(01:25:16):
three months, I was giving out the wrong number.
So some asshole has a voicemail full of nonsense.
Wow. I tried to call them and I think
they disconnected their phone number.
Holy shit they. Were getting an unfortunate.
Mistake I bet. I wanted to just call them and

(01:25:39):
be like, hey, can you forward meyour voicemail messages?
Oh my God that's fucking terrible.
Wait so you guys are running a an advice hotline?
We, I, I try to do everything for entertainment, man.
Yeah, we do everything from just, you know, interviews to
just hanging out. If you just want to hang out,
we'll you know, I got a Discord.I don't know that link.

(01:26:01):
You can probably I'll probably give you that shit to tag or
something. But yeah, we have.
Everybody get me, I'm going to. I'll dump it in the fucking
show. Show notes.
That's awesome. We got an advice, We got an
advice line. We got everything, man.
We do everything here from music, you know, do fucking
everything. Good deal.

(01:26:21):
Is there anything else you want to you want to share or put out
there before we we wrap up here?Any parting words of wisdom?
Final thoughts? Well, 111 parting wisdom I have
is for everybody listening, One thing that has helped me out
since this new year, and it's kind of been my resolution in a

(01:26:43):
way, is don't focus on the outcome, focus on the input
because you can't change the outcome after it happens.
So all you can focus on is what you put into it.
To make that outcome better. Focus on the input, not the
output. Don't worry about what comes at
the end, because you can't change it after that.

(01:27:04):
Just make sure you do as much asyou can to affect that end.
Wise words, Joe, thank you so much for taking the time to hang
out with me, and I wish you and your producer all the best of
luck on your journey ahead. Thank you very much for having
me man, it was great talking to you.

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