Conner M. – Author, Youtuber, Content Creator, Storyteller - STAG

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All right, Connor, thank you so much for joining me.
And I want to start this interview like all other
interviews, and hopefully you can give us a little background
here so you know, what are the people, places, things and
circumstances that have led to this moment in time?

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How did you get here, Sir? Well, I have just been working
on my YouTube channel for the past ten years or so.
I took a little bit of a of a hiatus in 2020 and took down my
channel and started over last year and I've done kind of a
reinvention of everything so far.

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So I would say that what's brought me here so far is just
constant evolution of my the things that I'm passionate about
and what I like to do. OK, so you said you started this
10 years ago. About how old were you when you
when you started your YouTube channel?

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I was about see it was 2015, so I want to say about 11 or 12
probably around that area. Interesting.
What? What kind of inspired you to
kind of start a YouTube channel?What what were you trying to do?
What was your goal? Well, I was a really big fan of

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some big Youtubers, specificallythe biggest one that I was into
was someone that a lot of peopleknow, Stampy Cat, Stampy
Longnose, and I really loved watching his videos and I wanted
to comment how much I loved watching his videos.
But when I tried to do it, I sawthat it said you have to create

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an account. And so I created an account and
I got to comment, you know, I love the videos.
I love watching your stuff. And then about a year after I
created it, a little over a yearafter I created it, I decided to
make my first video, which was like a basketball video.
And it just went on from there. But all those videos I've since

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been privated. And so you basically started it
as a as a way to to comment on some of your favorite channels.
What is? What is Stampy Cat?
Stampy Cat was a he he used to be a lot more prominent than he
is today, but he used to be a very big Minecraft YouTube who

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had this whole let's Play seriesthat was half survival, let's
play and half storytelling. And at the time, as a child, I
really for some reason related to it and connected with it.
I really love the idea of a story combined with a regular

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video game together. And he kind of perfected that.
And he was very prominent back in back from I would say 2013 to
2015 or so. You're saying so do you
mentioned the storytelling kind of fusion with with video games?

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How can you explain to me maybe how Stampy Caps version of
perfection is different or or oralchemy of these these things is
different than maybe like an RPG, which is like very heavy
story driven. So, yeah, OK, yeah.
He, he basically differentiated himself by taking elements of a

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game that it had like a very, very loose, extremely optional
story. You know, with Minecraft, you
can, you can go on to beat the Ender Dragon and that could be
its own story if you want to call it that.
But for the most part, Minecraftis known as like a, a sandbox
game where you can do anything you want to.

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There's no real driven story unless you decide to have that
story and it's not forced on you.
But Stampy decided to take it towhere he took a sandbox game and
created all these characters, these villains, these sidekicks,
these animal pets, and all of this and combined it to make his

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own narrative story in this world that he created originally
as a Let's Play regular Let's Play like everyone else.
But eventually it molded over time into sort of a.
Story gotcha. So he basically became a dungeon
master within the realm of OK, that's pretty very cool.

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So when you a year a year after you start a YouTube channel, you
created your first video why sports?
What was was was your goal and was your intention with that
first video? Did you think you were going to
go viral? Oh, no video.
If I, if, if people were able towatch those videos, they would
definitely tell I was definitelynot going for viral.

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That's funny. I, I guess at the time I was
very big into basketball. I was like on a team and I was
playing with my friends and I and then at a very young age, I,
I love my family. But I will say they did, I don't
want to say pressured me into going into certain sports, but

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they definitely nudged me in certain directions and kept me
away from certain other directions.
And I one of those was basketball.
And I tried to make it my personality that I love
baseball, basketball, football, all these sports because that's
what I want to be. I don't want to be some nerd.
I want to be the athletic cool kid like back in middle school

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and it took me until high schoolto realize that I wanted to do
different things and I was goingto push myself to do different
things. But at the time I was big into
basketball. So I decided to just make a
video about basketball and provide provide tips from a
bench warmer essentially becauseI never played.

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I mean, that's a fresh take, right?
Perspective. So what did, what did that kind
of transpire to what it would end up growing from there and
what stuck and how did you get to maybe some of the content
that you're doing now? What was that path like?
Well, so yeah, I started with basketball and then over time I
kind of got away from the basketball stuff and I'll, I'll

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admit, I shamelessly ripped off a bunch of Youtubers.
Like, I would look at their videos and see what they were
doing and I would try to copy itand I would, I would do gameplay
videos or vlogs or, you know, whatever was popular at the
time. And I, I thought that's how you
were supposed to do YouTube backthen.
You're supposed to follow the trends.

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And I did that up until about 2019 when I had a little bit of
a rap music phase where I, I wasin high school.
Yeah, I was in high school and Ihad, like, I had a lot of things
going off in my life. Like things were going a bit
sideways every now and then. And I just didn't really know

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how to handle my problems. And I decided to make songs to
get back at the people who were wrong in me.
And it was some of the worst music you would ever hear.
Yeah, I'm sure you felt that afterwards though.
Oh yeah, a little bit. Because actually funny enough,
after my first song released, I got like 2000 views on it, which

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was unheard of for a channel with like 200 subscribers, for
me at least and all. I was a freshman when I released
it and all the seniors kind of, I don't want to say rallied
behind me, but they like they kind of like took me under their
wing. Like, you know, this is this is
our freshman right here. He's the rap guy.
He's he's this and that and theywould protect me and he became

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the. Senior Prop.
Yeah, I did. Yeah, that's awesome.
That's funny. But yeah, I, I did rap for from
like 2019 to 2020. And then I think it was in 2021,
I decided to retire the rap thing because I just, I did it
for a year originally as a joke.And then I tried to do it

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seriously. And then I realized I was just
doing it because it was a habit,not because I enjoyed it.
And I decided to move past that and shut down my channel for a
while. And eventually I took everything
off my channel for a little bit.And then just last year I, I got
really into has been hotel TV show on Amazon prime.

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And I decided to just just for fun, just to see how many views
I could get. Make a couple like, you know,
which character are you or you know, guess the character from
the show videos and just see what happened.
And I got a decent amount of views and I found that that
that's kind of where I found that if I were to just start

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doing and talking about the things that I genuinely enjoy
instead of trying to follow a trend or trying to do something
out of habit, that that is how you do YouTube.
You, you, you don't chase the the views and the subscribers,
but you just do what you enjoy doing.
And if people TuneIn to watch, that's great.
But if not, you got to sit down and do something that you really

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wanted to do. I feel like that's an analogy
for life in general, actually. Like, right.
And I, I feel like I, I, I see this a lot in, in, in my
surrounding environment and people who, who kind of just
kind of live a life that was ascribed to them, a life that

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was handed to them. And they, they just do it
because it's what they think they're supposed to be doing.
And they're dying inside slowly and miserable death because it's
not what they want to be doing. It's not what they are
passionate about. And it's like, if you're going
to die anyways, if we're all kind of like leading this path
towards death and our demise, it's like you might also just be

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doing the thing that you enjoy doing.
And it it's interesting that yourealize that doing content you
enjoy doing seems to yield more favorable results.
And I don't know that that's always the case, but I think
that there is a ton of people out there who who create content

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for the soul sake of getting famous.
And their goal is just get famous and just get views and
just get eyeballs and just get likes and just get clicks and
just get attention. And they're farming attention.
And so literally just throwing spaghetti at the wall to do
literally anything right. And if like, I mean, Onlyfans is

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a, is a great example of this inthe other direction, right?
And we, we live in, in a world where there's multiple economies
and platforms to, to kind of farm attention and monetize that
attention in some way, shape or form.
And, and so I know a ton of people who have done this
progression where they start doing something that mimics

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something that's already successful and then slowly they
start pivoting from that. And there's usually like this
fork in the road where some choose to continue down that
path and they are just frustrated.
And sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.
And there's another path where there's people who choose to
just kind of do what they enjoy and it and find some some some

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sense of success in it for whatever that may be.
But the sense of accomplishment is changed, right?
The goal is change. The goal is just like, do some
content that you enjoy doing andthe satisfaction value seems to
go up on that. What was your really your goal
in in in pivoting to the IT was it just find something you enjoy

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doing? Like what?
What like what really prompted the this hiatus in in 2020?
Because that was during a time where everybody was jumping on
on content creation. Well, I just found that my
channel no longer reflected who I was or like it.
It reflected a person who I usedto be, and it was not really

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reflecting who I was at the timethat I decided to shut it down.
And I found that if I were to just shut it down and either
take a break, quit entirely, or start over, that would be better
than just continuing what I've been doing and pretending to be
this guy who is trying to be this actual rapper or trying to

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trying to gain views and attention.
And when I decided to take that break, or well, it was
originally supposed to be a break and then I decided I just
wasn't going to come back. That was until 24/20/24.
I just thought it would probablybe better if I just took down my

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channel and think about like thethings that I truly enjoy doing
and try to do those and try to be less online and I try to be
less online Ever since that thathiatus and whenever I found that
people kind of enjoyed, wheneverI talked about things I enjoy,

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like animation or movies or TV shows or whatever it is I talk
about on my channel, I found that people enjoy seeing that
more than they enjoy seeing me pretending to be somebody else.
Interesting. Do you find that since your your

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shift happened in the way that you're releasing content and the
content that you're engaging with to create, that you find
yourself a lot more engaged in your content creation process
and maybe your your passion and interest towards it?
Oh yeah, for sure. I definitely noticed that.
There's definitely a change and I definitely feel more

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passionate about it whenever I do it.
I and I, I've also found that it's good to have limitations.
It's good to have moderation. For example, I had a series on
my channel where I would react to this TV show called or like
this online show called The Button where people like we're

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doing speed dating or something like that.
And I watched it like I did like5 episodes of that.
And then after that I kind of got burnt out and had less and
less to talk about. And I realized, OK, if I keep
doing this, I'm just milking it and there's nothing of substance
or value for the viewer. And I, I just, I shouldn't

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continue doing this. So now instead I'm going to
start making character analysis videos where I analyze
characters from movies or I talkor I rank movies or something
like that. And then I just kind of go from
thing to thing, whatever seems to be on my mind at the time.
So it's definitely not very consistent, but at least I know

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I'm not like just pushing out content for the sake of it.
But yeah, I I definitely find that whenever I, whenever I
start making content about things that I enjoy, it tends to
feel a lot more accomplished forme do.

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You find like generally speaking, when you started, when
you came back essentially into the, the YouTube world, did you,
was the engagement different? Did you lose followers?
Did you gain, I mean, obviously gain new ones, but were the the
new ones different? Did it take a while to kind of
get the, the ball rolling again?How was how was the the process

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of kind of engaging with an audience again?
And what would you say was the hardest part?
I would say that my after I tookdown my channel, my subscriber
count kind of just stopped and stayed where it was at.
I probably lost a few here and there, but for the most part it
stayed in the general area. And then when I came back, I
still had that same amount of following.

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But I was slowly gaining a little bit more traction with
each video I posted, some doing better than others.
And I found that I found that whenever I talk about things I
enjoy, that also happened to be something a lot of other people
enjoy, like has been hotel, for example, People will gravitate

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towards that. And I went from, I want to say
about two hundred 220 subscribers to about 500 where
I'm at right now. Just on those reviews.
Well, just on, you know, videos in general.
Ever since I came back, I slowlywent from 203 hundred 400 and

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then eventually I got to 500 about I want to say a month ago
or so. It's very cool.
What is it that really drives you to unpack the story stuff?
That's because I know that's oneof your biggest really interest
and and I would is it too far tosay passion.
Oh, yeah, no, it's definitely a passion.

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Yeah. I yeah, I would say that my love
for storytelling is just not to sound bleak, but life sucks.
Real life sucks. And every day, you know, you
got, you got work, you got bills, you got, depending on how
old you are, you got school, yougot kids, you got, you got a

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job, you got to go to, you know,you got all these things that
just bring you down in life. And on the average, most
people's lives are not as entertaining as it would be on
the screen. So whenever I see something like
a like a really good story in a movie or ATV show or something,
and I or even a video game, I just yesterday I finished GTA5

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story for like the 10 billionth time.
But I I found that whenever I get to watch an actual story, I
know it's tailored to the the audience and it's made for
entertainment purposes and storyjust really means a lot to me.
Storytelling. Whenever movie has really good

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storytelling, I really gravitatetowards it because you can make
a movie about the most interesting things.
And if it doesn't have a good story, I'm not going to be, I'm
not going to be moved towards it.
But if I have a movie that I enjoy that has a good story or
even something I'm not even interested in and it has a
really good story, I'll check itout.

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Like like the movie, the DreamWorks movie, the Wild
Robot. And think about a year, I think
a year ago that came out. And originally when I saw it in
theaters, I'm like, yeah, it looks cool, but it's probably
going to be boring. So it's all about animals.
And it's not. There's not a lot of talking in
it from what I can tell from thetrailer.

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And then I watched it and not only did it just subvert my
expectations, it had an amazing story.
So. Whenever something is able to
make me like, draw me in with a good story, that's something I
find very special. Yeah, yeah, I was just thinking
another movie that didn't have awhole ton of dialogue in it.

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Well, there's two that I can think of.
The first one that came up was Wally, and it's probably, it's
one of my favorite movies. It's it's up there, top five at
least. And then was the other one was
Apocalypto, which is fucking phenomenal.
But yeah, no, I mean, like off the top of your head, just to
keep it on a little bit into therealm of masculinity.

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Can you think of any movies thatlike really tell a story of
masculinity? Maybe like a contemporary
version of it that really captures masculinity as it is
today? I don't know why but the first
thing that came to my head was turning red.
But that's a movie about femininity and not masculinity,
so. Interesting.

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Maybe. Maybe there's a lot of
femininity in the realm of masculinity.
Maybe that's why. Yeah, In terms of masculinity, I
don't feel like there's enough movies that do talk about it, or
at least in the right way, you know, like showing that, you
know, tough guys can also have emotions and stuff.

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And, you know, you don't have toput on the persona all the time.
But yeah, I would, I would say yeah, I'd have to get back to
you on that because I can't eventhink of one, honestly, about
masculinity. So your passion for
storytelling, it started bleeding into the YouTube
channel Where, where did that really start and how that turned

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into maybe your your writing andsharing of this with other
people as a product? Well, I decided at one point,
and I want to say 2024, I think around that area to I wanted to
make a review of a movie that I had never seen before.
I wanted to watch it, take notesand see what I liked and

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disliked about it. And it turned out to be Artemis
Fowl, which is one of my least favorite movies.
And I just made the review aboutit.
And I just gave my full thoughtson everything I liked and
disliked about it, most of whichwas dislike.
And then the next one was Cloudywith a Chance of Meatballs,

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which I thought was phenomenal, and I reviewed that one and from
that point on, I realized how much I truly love storytelling
and not just a good movie or, you know, something that just
appeals to me only. Why did you choose to take that

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approach? What, what was it about, you
know, going in blind and doing it that way that was appealing
to you? What were you trying to get out
of that? I just wanted to try something
different, something that seemedso something that seemed outside
of what I'd normally done and something that seemed to that I

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thought would bring in some people's opinions.
And luckily it, it did bring in some opinions here and there,
but I, I really just wanted to know what it was like because
one of my favorite YouTube channels, well, at least used to
be one of my favorites, Shay Frillis Productions, who does
like all these reviews about movies and TV shows and stuff.

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And I really liked watching his stuff.
And he, he actually, his contentkind of helped me understand
storytelling a little bit more. And I wanted to try to see if I
could put my own spin on it. And I'd like to think that I
did. But there's definitely a lot for
a lot of room for improvement. When did you when did you

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publish your first book? My first book was published in
2023. I mean, actually, I think I got
it right here. Let's see.
On the ropes, right? My first one was actually get
home. Safe, Yeah, Yeah, OK.
That was my first book. On the ropes, the new one.

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On the Ropes is the newest one. Yeah.
Get Home Safe was published September 25th of 2023.
What like what, where were you like in a, in a mind state where
that drove you to kind of write that that novel?
What were you, what were your goals on that?
Well, at first, Get Home Safe was something I came up with

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during my like rap music days where I thought I'll Get Home
Safe would be a good name for analbum.
And then I kind of started creating these characters
through these songs that I was making that never came to
fruition. I never recorded them or
anything, or at least most of them.
And I found that I was kind of making my own storyline and I

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thought that maybe I could turn this into something different
and something that could be fleshed out a little bit more.
And so from that point in 2020, I decided to start writing my
first book because I thought, you know, hey, this, this might
be a good like something, something new, something I

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haven't done before, something that I haven't dipped my toes
into. And it'd be kind of cool to see
if I have what it takes to be a published author.
And despite a lot of, I'm not going to lie, it's, it's a bit,
it's very rough for a first book.
It's not perfect, but I feel like for a first book, it was,

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it could have been a lot worse. And I just after I published
that one, I felt the sense of accomplishment, like I really
did something. And I decided to do 2 more after
that and continue from there are.
They all part of a series. Is that what's going on?
No, they're all different. I I mean, I've, I've thought
about putting them in their own separate universes.

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I couldn't put them all in the same 1 though, because I think
that would restrict a lot of thestorytelling for me.
And the stories are very different.
Like the first one is set in like modern day college students
and the second one is set in like the 1516 hundreds and the
third one is set in like modern day but like for an 18 year old.

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So it's they're, they're all kind of different, but I have
considered making like sequels or prequels or something like
that that could enhance the stories from there.
Yeah. How do you how did you go from
contemporary to like the 1500s? What, what was that?

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What were you looking to accomplish or explore in in that
second book? Well, my second book, Bonnie
Lass, was about the the famous female pirate and Bonnie,
because I am, I've been very, very into pirate stuff since I
was a kid. I think I was like maybe 10 or

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so and I came across the Piratesof the Caribbean DVD in my, my
old house back in Warrensburg, IL, where I'm originally from.
And I saw, I saw this DVD of Pirates of the Caribbean.
And I thought I was just bored on some Saturday with no
practices, no friends to hang out with or anything.

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So they're out of town. So I was like, I guess I'll pop
this in and check it out. And I watched them and I
absolutely adored them and fell in love with the Pirates of the
Caribbean franchise. And I thought, how fun would it
be if I made a story about one of the most famous pirates of
all time who also happened to bea woman and try to write about
how much sexism she had to deal with back in the day.

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Which I know the first thing youthink of when you think of me
is, oh, wow, that looks like a good person to talk about
feminism, a guy. But I I just decided to write a
book about something pirate likesomething that I've had a lot of
exposure to, and it's gotten to the point where I I actually
have almost a full arm sleeve ofpirate tattoos.

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Interesting that that is a it's it's fascinating to hear you
kind of acknowledge the, the gender roles as they are
portrayed here in in this exchange, right, That a male is
writing a female perspective. And I know like the feminine

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side of things would be like to your point, like what are you
doing? Like how how could you capture a
female perspective as as a male?And so I'm kind of like, can I
ask the same questions? How do you capture a female
perspective as a male? And do you think that that's
important? And what is it that you think a
male perspective portraying a female character can contribute?

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Right. Essentially asking the question,
you know, blatantly, what do youknow about being a female?
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Yeah, I, so I, I didn't write itfrom like first person or
anything because I knew there was no way I'd be able to do
that. So I wrote it from the third
person perspective of like, you know, and went into this

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building and said this to this person, blah blah, blah.
And I decided to focus more on the story and the actual like
the the little facts that poppedup here and there from actual
research I did about her. Like a calico Jack and Mary Reed

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were both characters in the bookthat had real life connections
to and Bonnie as a pirate. And I included some other ones
in there that people probably know, like Blackbeard.
I put him in there, but I had a bit of a hard time with trying
to figure out how I was going toreally lean into the feminine
side of this. And I just thought of what must

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have been said back then and howsomeone as inspirational as Anne
Bonnie could have been to overcome those type of things.
And I really just looked to the females in my life and thought
about how like how badass they are and how much they've had to

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deal with, with prejudice and sexism and all that stuff.
And I wanted to emulate that into a female character that an
audience could really get behind.
Yeah, it's interesting that you you approached it from that lens
of a contemporary, contemporary worldviews and and issues and

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problems and, and, and this kindof thing and apply them to was
the 15th century pirates. Do you think that pirates were
actually dealing with that at that point?
I feel like probably I feel likethat if there was any female
pirates besides Ant I mean I know there were female pirates
besides am Bonnie but I just don't know I'm off the top of my

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head. But the other female pirates,
along with an Bonnie, I feel like they they all probably
would have dealt with the same sexism because back then, you
know, it was it was just like how they treated people of color
differently and treated them like they were property.
And it was kind of similar for females back then too.

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It probably wasn't the same typeof sexism as we see nowadays,
but back then, I imagine the female world of pirates back
then being like, oh, this is a male dominated field.
You know, it's, it's, it's something that, you know,
females are supposed to be in corsets and they're supposed to
be like, at this time, they're supposed to be in corsets and

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they're supposed to be, you know, all prim and proper and
all this. And it's I feel like it would be
very inspiring and raw to be able to see a female go against
all of those odds and truly become one of the most infamous
pirates of all time. But yeah, because you would have
to be a brave human being to kind of rise above the cultural

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normative, right? And I think that's kind of what
I'm getting at, right. Like one day are we going to
wake up to realize like, you know, oh, it was it was
oppressive to suggest that females should be at work.
And it's like, that's what you fought for, right?
The freedom, right? And it's like, or like males
like, you know, like males went from like this weird machismo
kind of chest puffing like bronze, like superhero type

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chiseled chin guy to super cook at home is kind of what we're at
now. And it's like, do do you see
what I'm saying? And it's like, are, are, are,
are men in 10 years going to strive to be super cook?
And like there's some like scared coward that doesn't stand
up for anything. And right.
And so like, that's my question about like in in the past, was

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it, were these questions really there?
Are they really here now? And it's just people who are
making noise about things and these weird injustices that
exist because like, to me, like,one of my biggest heroes is like
Joan of Arc. And.
It's like, I don't I don't she was on a mission from God.
She didn't give a fuck about gender normatives and and
genders or, or like, you know, any of this shit.

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She was just like out there carrying out this mission that
she was on to do what she neededto do.
And never was it like, I'm sure there was like some asshole
thinking about like, oh, this isa fight.
It's a woman, right? Or like, what is this woman what
they're doing? And like, how is she going to be
like this messenger from God? And it's like, but like, I'm
sure that was happening, but that I don't think that that was

(33:57):
even the driver of her story or her the, you know, her goal or
her passion or her her need to carry out this mission.
And I think the same applies to,you know, something like a
Bonnie lass, right? And, and how you can't, you
can't rise to greatness if you're worried about what
everyone else is thinking and the stupid games that they're
playing, right? Because a lot of those things,
I'm not saying that they're, they're not consequential and

(34:19):
they don't have bearing on society.
But like there's, there's like the real underlying issues and
the things that, that oppress people and, and, and make it
unfair for people to play and make it unsafe for people to
play. And then there's a bunch of
fucking assholes who take advantage of that.
Absolutely. Yeah, and they lean into it and
it's on both sides. It's not just women, it's not
just men. It's, it's both and it and it's

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everything in between, right. Like, I'm sure there's fucking
handicap people out there who take advantage of like the
circumstances. And because people can't see
people pass their handicaps and treat them like victims, they
they can't say like, oh, maybe there's a fucking handicap
asshole out there, right. And it's like, so I'm thinking
like, when you're capturing something like this, are you

(35:02):
inspired? Are you, are you like, well,
here's somebody who rose above these things.
And even though today we have such different normatives in the
in, in society as far as gender roles go, in the way that we
perceive, you know, the perspective genders, it's like
in that time, surely it was different.
How do you prepare yourself for something like that?

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And how do you do you just kind of tell the story and try to
capture like the cool moments and just carry that forward?
Well, whenever I'm writing my books, I have a golden rule of
if I'm not invested, my viewer will, my reader will probably
not be invested either because Idon't want to just I don't want

(35:46):
to just write something and justbe like, I don't really care.
They'll they'll eat this shit up, you know, but I, I like to
have a lot of passion behind what I write and whenever it
comes to societal norms like, you know, sexism with and
Bonnie, you're absolutely right.There's the chances are they
probably she probably wasn't even thinking about the gender

(36:07):
roles as much as she was thinking about just being the
best pirate she could be. And to be fair, I, I would say
that all, like most of the pirates of history, were
probably really, really bad people considering all the
things they did. And I'm sure, I'm sure I am
Bonnie. I'm sure I am Bonnie isn't
exactly an innocent little Angel, you know, I'm sure she

(36:29):
did some pretty heinous things too.
I mean, they were murdering rapists, pillaging, and, you
know, all doing all this terrible stuff.
I'm sure she was engaging in allof that.
Yeah, I'm sure she had a little bit of dirt on her hands as well
as everyone else, but yeah, so Idefinitely will.
I definitely don't have this like this blind eye of like, you

(36:50):
know, I'm sure she was great because she was a woman.
You know, I, I mean, and yeah, Iwould say you have a very good
point with, with like, we don't know what's going to be
offensive in 10 years from now. Like something I'm saying on
this very interview could be taken as very insulting in 10
years from now or something likethat, and I would have no idea.

(37:12):
So, yeah, that's a very good point.
And that's definitely an issue Ihave with cancel culture and all
that. But yeah, whenever it comes to
Anne Bonnie with Bonnie Lass, I really tried to lean into that,
hopefully to try to empower women like anybody, any woman
who read it with that in mind. But I also really wanted the

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story to sound not only believable, but also an
enjoyable riot throughout the duration of it.
That's very cool. So what how did that when you
were done with that book and, and, and told that story, you
know, how long was it until you started your next, your next
novel and, and what inspired that one?

(37:55):
What? What story did you have to get
out? Well, let's see.
I see. When did I release Bonnie last?
I think I've released that one in 2023 as well.
Nope. July 21st of 2024.
Yeah. So I think as soon what I do is

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I have like multiple books that I write at once and whenever I
think of a good idea for one of them, I can just go over to that
one and start riding on that. And if I run out of seam on that
one, I can go on to a different 1.
Is that way I'm not just like blowing smoke or whatever.
And I, I think I immediately started writing my most recent

(38:39):
one on the ropes, which is a testament to my love for the
sport of boxing. I've got a lot of hobbies and
interests and including like, you know, pirates and stuff like
that. But boxing is one of them that
I'm very, very interested in andpassionate about to where I am
actually a boxer myself. But I'm kind of on a break right
now from boxing. But I really wanted to, I really

(39:04):
wanted to tell a story that I almost, I don't want to say
lived through, but part of it iskind of a story that I lived a
little bit of. It was this 18 year old kid who
thinks he's on top of the world.He's got friends, he's got all
this great stuff going for him. And then he makes one mistake

(39:26):
that just kind of leads to a landslide of more and more shit
just coming down on him and he'sgot to try to work his way back
up, which definitely happened tome.
And that's something I don't really talk too much about, but
that is kind of part of the inspiration from it.
Like I don't talk about what happened specifically, but I
definitely had a bit of a fall from grace after being like a

(39:49):
top of the world 18 year old whohas had so many friends and had
all this and that. And then I am whenever I turn
like 19 or 20, I really kind of made some mistakes that.
I made some mistakes that were life changing that I wouldn't,
will never be able to take back and heavily regret them every

(40:12):
day and probably will till they put me on the ground, you know,
But I wanted to have this story of resilience to try to help
myself out of it. And I figured I already know
about boxing and I really like the whole old mentor young
athlete story, like, you know, the karate kids, the Rockies,

(40:33):
all of that. And so I figured I could
implement that into my book. And I, I think that writing this
book was kind of therapeutic forme and it kind of helped out a
little bit. Wait a minute.
There's a couple of things here.First, when we were talking
about inspiration in males, for some reason I've never thought

(40:56):
of, but it more specifically in this conversation, you know,
Karate Kid and Rocky are great versions of, of, of movies are
great films and depictions of males being masculine.
Yeah. And being resilient, right.
Because that's when I think about what it means to be like,
quote a man and male. It's like it's, it's the

(41:18):
resilience, right? The the courage despite the fear
and the willingness to go above and beyond to, to carry out the
mission, right. And that's, that's one of the
ironically and is what I love about Joan of Arc, right?
Her story is you're just on thismission that is like, it doesn't
matter. You're just going to get it
done. And and that's, you know, that's
the same thing that people look up to and like, you know,

(41:40):
special forces and in the military and well, maybe not
today, but but like it's the same thing embedded in those
those two films, The Karate Kid and Rocky, right?
Yeah, I didn't even think about that.
Yeah. And then also you had a quite
little troubling experience thatseemed to be important enough to

(42:02):
capture in some book to kind of resolve like.
How? How bad was the rock bottom?
It was to the point where I still don't think I fully
recovered. Was it something that happened
to you? I mean, because I don't know if
you want to talk about it or notand to what extent.

(42:22):
And so I'm trying to understand without getting into details, if
you don't want to, how how debilitating or life altering or
because there might be somebody out there who might be dealing
with something similar, right. And, and here you are trying to
express yourself and live life and, and carry forward and, and
you know, so yeah, you let me know how, how that went out.

(42:48):
How that went out essentially, without going into too much
detail, I, I was a really, really bad friend to a bunch of
people who I felt like were my family.
And I made some really terrible decisions as a friend and was
and ended up pushing them away to the point where I felt like I

(43:09):
had nothing. And I truly hit the bottom.
And I, I, I still kind of feel that pain, but I try to push
forward and try to keep moving forward with my life because I
know there's like, that's the only option I have.
And so whenever I started writing this book, I wanted to

(43:31):
put a little bit of my, I don't,I don't want to say pain or
suffering or anything because it's kind of cheesy, but you
know, a little bit of what I hadfelt from my past mistakes into
this book and try to try to see myself through it.
And yeah, if there's, if there'sanybody who's listening, who has

(43:52):
made catastrophic mistakes to where they feel like they've hit
the bottom, they've hit rock bottom.
I just, I definitely think they should know that it could always
get worse. There's always something that
could come around the corner andbe worse.
So just grab a hold of whatever what while you're falling down

(44:12):
that pit, grab a hold of whatever rock is sticking out
and just try to pull yourself back up.
Because at the end of the day, you are the the only person you
can really rely on. So, and I know it sounds harsh
to say it like that, you know, everybody's got people they can
go to, but at the end of the day, nobody can solve your
problems except for you. So just put in the work and be

(44:35):
as good of a person as you thinkyou can be.
That's a really good point, honestly, that I think does not
get mentioned enough and and I don't know.
And I think you the way that yousaid it at the end there where
it's like it, no, it sounds harsh.
That part I find the most fascinating because there's this

(44:58):
weird societal like like bitterness in the taste towards
selfishness because it's selfishto care about yourself.
But there's also this self preservation that must continue
whether people are taking like. And so like, it's weird that
like, you know, no one would balk at the idea of like, I'm

(45:20):
going to go, I'm going to go have a meal today because I need
food, right? But, and no one would say that
was selfish, right? But like, if you took like time
to take care of yourself in a way that didn't consider
somebody else's feelings about about it, then it that would be
in the realm of selfishness. And so like we, we constantly
are negotiating and renegotiating these weird like

(45:41):
social bonds and relationships. And, and really it's like where
it gets messy is in the relationships with others, right
in the proximity to our environment and other people.
And so it's like, I really wish that that message that you just
laid out was, was more prevalentand that people would take care
of the cells more as a human being.
And we're considered more selfish and took the time to

(46:02):
take care of themselves first before anybody else, right?
The airplane's going down, Put your mask on 1st.
Like if you applied that. Yeah, if you applied that like
to life, I think that the world would be a way better place,
right. Because we're not looking
externally to fulfill our needs.And, and, and, you know,
everyone is like this, this likebeggar of experience and beggar

(46:23):
of, of, of knowledge, right? And we just have our fucking
hands out waiting for somebody to give us this, you know, this
world view or this opinion or this, whatever, so that we can
go regurgitated on social media and then pretend that there was
our bright idea because the fivelikes makes it so it's like
it's, it's fascinating. And so I really appreciate you
bringing that and presenting it the way that you did because I

(46:48):
don't think anybody should apologize for for taking care of
themselves. They really don't.
And more people should do that. Yeah.
Also, just to kind of get to thepoint of like, you had this rock
bottom experience that inspired you to move forward with this
new book and kind of put this out there.
And it's like everyone's rock bottom is different.

(47:08):
And I don't think that people understand that.
Like there's, no matter how bad or whatever it might be, you
can't always bounce back to someextent, right?
And there's certain things that you just can't change because
you just can't change them. And we're not God, but like
there is a way to move forward and to pick up the wreckage of
our past and and maybe make an amends towards the future by
doing something, you know, like putting out a book, helping

(47:30):
other people and being a better human being.
Absolutely, yeah. I, I try to apply that every
day. I, I just try to think about
like what the old me would have done in certain situations and
think about whether it was rightor not.
And if it wasn't right, how I can fix it.
And I, yeah, I really like the, the airplane analogy of put on

(47:50):
your ask oxygen mask before helping out other passengers on
the, on the crashing plane. And I think that people just
need to learn like they need to relearn the word selfish and
they need to stop thinking it's so much of a bad word, but it's
much it's more of a it's more ofa moderational word where you

(48:12):
can be too selfish, obviously, like you, like that's been seen
before. But being selfish in the way of
self preservation and helping yourself, it isn't really a bad
thing, even if it is selfish because you are helping only
yourself. But at the same time you're
doing it because you also need to be tend to tended to by

(48:34):
yourself or you need to eat food, drink water, exercise, you
know, do this and that, you know.
And so, yeah, definitely taking care of yourself is definitely a
crucial part of life, honestly. As you continue your journey
with storytelling, what is it really that you're most drawn to

(48:58):
as far as this types of stories that you're telling?
What do you what do you think you've captured in each
iteration of of your storytelling?
Well, I've been very interested in all the books I've written so
far, but I would say the one that I've been most intrigued by
was Bonnie Lass, because I just,I feel like there's just so much
you can do with pirate stories. There's so many different types

(49:23):
of stories that you can do with pirates.
There's so many different routesyou can pursue, so many
different characters you can come up with.
Like the list is endless. And I mean, there's endless
pirate media out there that people enjoy.
And I, I just, I'm really happy that I get to somehow contribute
to that. And I I found myself most

(49:44):
interested in that one for sure.Yeah, there's a Do you hear the
like there's in in what is it? Acapulco, Mexico?
There was some I went down this massive rabbit hole one time on
on like history and I was, I don't know what I was exactly

(50:06):
you'd like searching, but in Acapulco, Mexico, I think it was
like in the 1415 hundreds there was.
And my point is, like, even in reality, there's a bizarre
iterations of things that we don't understand and like, like
stories could emerge out of this.
And as somebody who is enjoys pirates, I was wondering if
you've ever heard of this. But in Al Capuco, Mexico, there

(50:28):
was this kind of currency of Christianity.
And so Christianity was kind of emerging, emerging.
And there was during that time, there's still a lot of Native
Americans that were that, you know, that was still their land
and there was wealth and the Spanish and stuff.
And we're coming through and they were bringing Christianity
with them. And there was specifically in

(50:52):
that port, because of all the trade that was happening, you
had situations where there was massive battles of, of Native
Americans battling samurais who are going to pick up
Christianity and, and pirates. And so you had this weird
situation in Acapulco, Mexico, where you, you had in Native

(51:12):
Americans samurais from Japan and pirates, all of the support
battling over ideas of God, which is fascinating to me.
I'm sure there was other things that were battling, but I don't
know if you ever heard about this.
No, I don't think I've heard about that before, actually.
Yeah, super fascinating. You should check it out.

(51:32):
I'm sure it's a, there's probably deeper stories there
that I didn't even get to. So are you, are you at all
threatened by like AI as a writer and a storyteller, or do
you use it? I think that it's something that
could be used correctly, but it could also be used very
incorrectly. Obviously you shouldn't be going

(51:54):
to ChatGPT and say, hey, write abook for me to publish because
that's just that. Just honestly, that takes the
fun out of it. I mean, which isn't off.
Happens, yeah. Yeah, it definitely happens.
I'll admit I use AI for my book covers because I'm not talented
enough to make my book covers but I also I don't have the

(52:17):
money to pay people to do it so I definitely do it for that.
I will 100% admit to that. And the only other usage I have
for AI with my books is I use itfor grammar just to make sure
that I didn't misspell anything,which I should have.
Yeah, I should have used it for my first book, but I didn't.
And there was a allegedly a lot of mistakes in there.

(52:38):
I haven't reread it, but I, I'vebeen told there's a lot of
mistakes in there that I made. So with all my other ones, I, I
like to go into like Grammarly or something and just take a
look at the chapters I do and just see, hey, did I misspell
this? Is this the correct phrasing for
this? And kind of helps make it look
more polished. So I mean, I know there's a

(52:59):
stigma around AI right now that it's like this terrible thing.
And to be fair, it, it's definitely got negative
implications. But I'm not one of those people
that just sits there and says, OK, AI come up with a book idea
and write it out and I'm going to publish it and I'm going to
make it look like my own, like that.
I, I that just takes the fun completely out of it.

(53:20):
I don't understand why anybody does that right.
I find I find it most fun to just write, stream a conscious
style. Just whatever comes to my mind
as I'm typing comes to my mind and I write it, I read it and I
just think, OK, I can improve this.
I could probably remove that andjust edit from there.
And once I feel like I have a finalized version, I go into

(53:42):
like Grammarly or something and I just say like, Hey, is any of
this misspelled or Miss Freight,like improperly phrased or, you
know, whatever. So I, I won't sit here and say
and lie and say that I don't useAI at all.
I definitely have used it beforefor things, but I I don't use it
for the actual like contents of the book.

(54:02):
Yeah. And I mean, I honestly, I think
there's going to be a time when we look back and we're going to
realize because it's going to become transparent at some point
that even like the Big 5 or is it for now, publishers are, are
using AI religiously, right? Because it's, it just makes
sense that they would be using it to some extent to, on whether
it's through editing or whatever, because their goal is

(54:26):
profit. And so if you can bring down the
expenditures, then you're going to make more money.
And I mean, that's, it's very clear that AI does that for
companies who are trying to savemoney, right?
And that's one of the biggest kind of points of contention
with AI. And then on the creative front,
to your point, yeah, there, there are people out there.
And that's, I think I've, I've become pretty aware of it

(54:48):
because it's pretty prevalent and, and it's blatant that
people are exploiting, I guess you would say, but it depends on
what side of the aisle you're onAI to, to extract, you know,
capital from readers. And, but like, I think that
they're those people who are doing that.
Their goal is way different thansomebody like you who's writing

(55:10):
a book out of, you know, you know, passion and enjoyment,
right? They're not trying to get
passion, enjoyment. They're trying to get money.
And so like to somebody who's writing out of, you know, out
of, you know, passion and expression and enjoyment, you
know, for the sole reason to write something for money, it
just seems fucking asinine. And, and then from their

(55:33):
perspective, it's like, well, everyone who's writing for
passion join and, and, and whatnot, it's like, that's that
person's dumb because you know, that takes forever and like
you're not making any money. Why would you do that?
So there's like this rational choice thing, right?
Like with the rational agent from the perspective of which
where you're sitting, and it's like, that's going to be an

(55:54):
ongoing battle. But there is, I think to your
point, you were highlighting this level of underlying
dishonesty that could exist in Iwasn't, I feel like there was
somebody who got caught doing ittoo, where they were they were
they were claiming they were writing all these books and like
that they were doing it, but really was like AI.
And I would think it's a famous person too.

(56:17):
It was a famous author. I think they had a series of
books. And like right now, I think
there's like even the question of like other famous authors,
like are they using AI? Like what is going on?
Why are they putting out more books all of a sudden?
And it's like, it's the dishonesty of like, yeah, I'm
using, yeah, or no, I'm not using it.
And this is how I am using it ifI am.

(56:37):
Because I don't think people actually give a shit to some
extent. And the people who care that
much, I mean, it's, I don't think it's going to sway them
one way or another. Yeah, for sure.
I mean, yeah, I don't understand.
Like the whole point of creatingsomething is being able to look

(56:58):
at it and say I made that and I had fun while making that.
Hopefully you have fun while making it.
And whenever you just use AI to make out every part of your book
and make or story or video game or movie or whatever,
specifically songs. A lot of songs use AI now.

(57:18):
I mean, they have AI song generators now that sound almost
exactly like humans. It's like it.
I don't understand why you want to do that because just takes
the fun right out of it. It's like it's like taking the
fat out of McDonald's food. Like obviously it's, I mean,
obviously it's not good for you,obviously, but like it's, it's
like taking the the sugar out ofsoda.

(57:41):
You know, it's like you're taking away the best part.
You know, unless you're like, you know, on a there's a lot of
accepts and unlesses and all that.
Right. You know, it's like taking.
The diet out of it to expression.
Yeah, for sure. Which is fascinating because I
feel like there's, there's an appetite for that anyways,

(58:01):
right? And and so then it's like where
the lines, right? Like how do you, how do you
contend with? Well, like this is this is a
valid way of expressing oneself,right?
And this is not a valid way of expressing oneself, right?
Because comparatively to like someone who's, who's chiseling
stone is not, is not on the level of like Michelangelo,
right today, right? And it's like, well, the tools

(58:24):
are very different and the levelof talent is very different.
And it's like, well, is it less valid form of expression if
somebody is using tools of todayversus tools of like yesterday,
right. It is a Carpenter with a with a
hand saw and like you know, versus somebody with like a

(58:45):
more. My brain just fucking fried and
versus somebody with with more like contemporary tools like
saws and table saws and and lasers and guides and CNC
machines and all of this is like, is that person less of a
creator or a Carpenter or whatever if if they're not using

(59:07):
hand tools, right. And it's like it's, it's like I
can, I can think of a million one ways to misuse a
screwdriver, right? But it still has its proper
application. But then there's also these
other, other applications that are, you know, not what it's
intended for. And then so, but it's like, is
it, is it valid or not valid? And then where are those lines?
Yeah, for sure. It's, it's something that could

(59:29):
be misused very easily if like if improperly used, it's almost,
it's almost obvious whenever people misuse it.
Like I find that there's a rightand a wrong way to go about AI.
And, you know, obviously pretending like you made some
when AI made it is the wrong wayto go, right.

(59:50):
If you use AI, just be honest about it.
It's like a, like I, I'm, I usedto be a lot, lot more into it
than I am now, But like, I'm into fitness stuff like working
out and all that. And.
We all know steroids. They're bad for you, but they
make. A great analogy.

(01:00:10):
Yeah, it's like if you use steroids, just say it and people
will respect your honesty. And as long as you're not
abusing it, I feel like people aren't gonna have anything
negative to say. But if you're this like 6, four,
£250 yoked dude with like lats bigger than a suitcase, it's

(01:00:31):
like, and you're saying, no, I did this, I did this by eating
protein. It's like, no, you, you, you put
some juice in your body, you putsome needles in your body and
now you're a huge specimen and you're acting like you did it by
yourself. Like just be honest about it,
you know? Right.
No, that makes total sense. What do you think is the hardest
part of a storytelling in in capturing a good a good story?

(01:00:55):
I would say it's after, for me at least, it's after the climax,
after like the big event happens.
It's kind of I find it difficultbecause the like that's the
point that is supposed to be themost interesting, the highest
point. This is the the final battle.
This is the big competition. This is, you know, it's, it's a

(01:01:18):
big event and whenever you're supposed to bring the reader
down from that and try to keep their attention throughout the
rest of it, it's like, well, I've seen the big part, what's
the point of seeing the rest of it?
So it's I feel like that's kind of the most difficult part for
me is I'll write like a really big, like really big fights or

(01:01:42):
something like that. And after it's done, I'm like,
I'm sitting here like, OK, well,how much of this story do I
continue? Because the big thing happened,
the thing that everybody was built, it was building towards
happened. So where do I go from here?
And I always kind of find that to be the most difficult, for me
at least. Interesting.
I wonder why that. Is it because like it is there

(01:02:03):
like maybe an assumption that, you know, people are interested
in the climax versus the resolve, or is it maybe a
reflection of lack of resolve inexperience, right, lack of
experience and resolve and or lack of fulfillment in the
resolve, right, or anything, anyof those combinations?

(01:02:26):
I mean, I don't know, I'm just kind of throwing stuff out
there, right? Because to me, when I'm, when
I'm like, I don't walk out of a movie theater after the climax,
right? Like I, I want to finish the
movie. I'm there to see the ending,
right? I'm there from the beginning to
the end and everything else is in service to me.
Like the perspective is everything is in service to the

(01:02:47):
resolve, right? I want to know why they resolve
this and what caused the them toneed to resolve something,
right? And the climax to me is I
actually the most or the least eventful part of a movie.
It's just the most, I don't wantto say compelling because it's

(01:03:08):
not, it's not like compelling. It's not because it kind of that
kind of resolves the tension of the, the rise right?
And then, but the, the, the actual final resolve is what
makes me understand and, and kind of put to rest my curiosity

(01:03:30):
of why as a, as a viewer, as a reader, as a consumer.
So I just find it really interesting that for you it's
after the climax is where the the pieces are kind of hard to
connect. And I'm curious as to maybe if
there's a deeper understanding or reasoning why.
Yeah, I, I'm not sure. I think it might just be because

(01:03:52):
I, my mind is so hyper focused on how to build to this big
event that happens in the story that I, I don't, I don't know if
running out of steam is the bestoption, like the best way to say
it. But I definitely think that I am
way more passionate about the climax than I should be compared

(01:04:14):
to the resolve I should be. I should be passionate about the
entire thing from beginning to end.
And I think I just kind of get to like excited with the climax
and I find that it's I don't know, I guess whenever, whenever

(01:04:36):
it come comes to like a movie orsomething like we all we all
remember Avengers end game back in 2019.
That was a huge thing. And obviously the big build up
was to the climax of the movie, which was the big final battle
at the end, The Avengers versus the bad guys.
And I, I like to look at those movies and see like, well, how

(01:05:01):
did they continue the story after the big fight, after the
energy has been brought up to the highest it's going to be
throughout the story. How like how I keep their
attention. And you do have a good point of
like, you know, you don't leave the movie theater right after
the big like the big fight or whatever.

(01:05:22):
So yeah, I think it might just be more of a personal thing for
me as to why I struggle with thefollowing action and resolution.
You have any advice for, you know, maybe somebody who's out
there who's trying to explore, you know, the world of
storytelling? Yeah, I just say if you're

(01:05:45):
interested in it, someone else is going to probably be.
It doesn't really matter if you're like what the story?
Well, it it, it doesn't matter if you think the story is going
to be seen as good or bad. It just matters if it's
something that you think people will connect to and will enjoy

(01:06:06):
consuming. And if it's something that
people will really want to watchor read or listen to or whatever
it be, whatever it may be, just go with your gut.
And whatever comes, whatever comes to fruition will be
because you, you went for it. And yeah, just don't be afraid

(01:06:30):
to try. Don't be timid, you know, just
dive right into it and see what happens.
Because everybody's got a talent.
In your opinion, what is the most important contribution a
man can make to the world beforehe dies?
Giving the world a reason to remember their name in a
positive way. I I'd like to think that there

(01:06:55):
are people in history who will remember their name will be
forever remembered for the wrongreasons.
Obviously, you know, there are alot of big, big names that could
be on that list like, you know, Hitler, Osama bin Laden, Stalin,
you know, Napoleon or whatever hat, what have you.
All of these like, you know, terrible people in history that

(01:07:17):
they're seeing their name is remembered for the wrong reason.
But if you're able to make a positive contribution to the
world and people remember you with fondness after you're gone,
I feel like that's what really makes it special.
Because there are some people like like Bob Ross, he will
forever be known as the calm painting guy, even though he,

(01:07:42):
I'm pretty sure he was like a, he was like a army commander or
something like that at one point, or generally I think so I
think something like that. And that's that's why he calmed
down so much because he didn't like yelling at people and all
that. So he went into painting.
And you know, there are a lot ofexamples you can go with, but

(01:08:03):
then there's always that one person they'll be like, well,
actually, you know, Walt Disney created all of this amazing
stuff, but he was an anti Semite.
You know, there's always something with it.
But for the most part, I feel like if you make a net positive
contribution to the world, that's a great reason for people
to remember your name. Fair enough.

(01:08:26):
Is there anything during this interview that I didn't ask you
that you wish I did ask you? I don't think so.
I'm just, I'm just happy to be apart of it and to talk about my
experience a little bit. Hopefully it helps some other
people out. Very cool.
Can you please let us know whereyou can find all of your awesome

(01:08:46):
content? Yeah, my YouTube channel is just
Connor Maloney, Conner and then Maloney.
That's how you spell it. Or you can search up Connor dot
Maloney. That also works on Amazon.
If you look up, if you look up get Home safe Bonnie Lass or on

(01:09:08):
the Ropes, I'm going to pop up. I've got my own podcast where I
interview people and that's on Spotify as known as just for
context. So yeah, all the all of those
things is a good place to check me out if you'd like to.
Awesome. Thank you, Sir.
I'll make sure to put all that in the show notes.

(01:09:28):
I appreciate all of your time and I appreciate all of your
sharing of your passion with us today.
Thank you. Absolutely.
Thanks for having me, I really appreciate it.
Wish you the best luck on your journey ahead Sir.
Thank you.

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