Jeremie – French Digital Nomad and Entrepreneur, Tech, Business, and Overcoming Loss - STAG

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Now here's the interview. Jeremy.
Hello, Sir. Thank you for participating in
this interview with me today. Why don't we start with or the
way that we always start, which is what events, things, places,
people like. What has transpired?

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What has happened for you to be here in this moment in time?
Who is Jeremy? How did you get here, Sir?
Well, thank you for having me onthe show today.
I really appreciate it. I do like your question to start
and and it's a very interesting one because I think if you look
at my early context, my childhood, I don't think

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anything predicted that I would be right on today.
But you know, life is always an unplanned chain of events that
West TX somewhere, right? Whether we like it or not in a
way. Right.
So yeah, I mean, in a nutshell, I, I was born in France.

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I spent the 1st 30 years of my life in France.
I grew up in a small town, you know, in the South of France.
And the reason I'm saying nothing in my early childhood
could have led me to where I am now is because I grew up in what

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I would call very regular traditional household in France.
I'm, I'm an only child. My parents are like 2 working
class people. And you know, I'm not coming
from a wealthy background. My parents are not big
adventurers or travellers or anything like that.

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They had the same job pretty much since they were like 20
years old and they are going to my dad is retired, my mum would
retire is pretty much the same job.
And yeah, like a very regular childhood really upbringing.
And and here I am at 37 years old now where I'm living a life

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as a full time traveller slash digital nomad.
I've been travelling the world non-stop for four years now,
living in, you know, 15 countries probably in the past
four years. I have my own business and stuff
like that. And yeah, you know, I think if
you would have asked 10 years old me or even 15 or 18 years

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old me, if in my 30s I would be travelling the world, I would
get no chance. There's just no way that's going
to happen. But some somehow he did.
Amazing. OK, this is really cool because
you're doing something that mostpeople want to be doing and and

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you're doing two things. Must be like most dudes wish
that we were doing right, which is like they were owning their
own business and they were, you know, their own man.
They were the boss and that theygot to see places that they
haven't been to and you're doingboth at the same time and that's
amazing. And you've accepted this as your
lifestyle, it seems like. And one thing that you mentioned

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is in that I really appreciate that you mentioned is the your
childhood and how how seemingly normal it was, right that it
sounds like mom and dad just didthe thing right.
They didn't they didn't rock theboat too hard.
They kind of just pick somethingthat we're good at and they

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career right. And there's nothing wrong with
that. Like I'm not built that way,
right? I, I know people who are built
that way and I wish I was built that way.
I wish I could show up, go right, show up, go to work, do
my job, be happy, clock out. Come back right?
Yeah, it's like I it's crazy because like I feel like I

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didn't get that that software upgrade like I I missed that one
and now now my battery is dying all the time or something,
right? Like and I have this this bug to
constantly like reinvent, to reiterate or re like try
something new, explore somethingnew.
It's like an adventure spirit and it comes with its downsides.

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And I view people like, you know, you're how you described
your parents, you know, just very middle of the road didn't
rock the boat. I've, I find something really
like amusing and wanting about that because I don't know if it
brings comfort via safety or what it is, but it allows space

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for growth and nurturing. And the adventurer spirit
doesn't always or or even even worse, right.
You know, I grew up in a poor environment, right, in an
environment where people made really terrible decisions and
there wasn't a lot of follow through or understanding or
logic being exercised and poverty was just normal.
And, and that environment doesn't allow for any of, you

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know, the nurturing and the loving and like there's some of
it, but like it's not, it's not the white picket fence and the,
you know. And So what do you think it was
about that that did you think that maybe your your adventurous
spirit emerged out of your parents decisions and your

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parents like construction of like your childhood?
That's interesting because you know what?
I've asked myself this question a million time and I don't have
the answer. If I'm being honest, I thought
about it a lot and I don't know what triggered this thing.
All I can say is like look up what happened and I don't know.

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I've tried to like analyse it but nothing came out of a bit so
far. But were your parents really
encouraging? Were they really encouraging?
To you, No, no, I mean, my parents always told me, you
know, be good at school so you can get like a good job working
in an office and get paid well and and you can leave like like

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my dad has always been working like construction.
So he always had a really physical tiring job.
So my dad always told me like begood at school so you won't have
to do like me and you can, you know, walk inside on a computer
and and you will be fine. Like that was his ID for me of
like you know what, what's good he wants to give me which I

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understand from his point of view makes sense.
Right, right. You know, what's funny is my
grandfather did the same thing with me because he, he owned a
construction company that he, you know, he, he kind of built
from the ground up. You know, he started at the
bottom right. And he told me the same thing.
He's like, you go to school so you don't have to work hard and
you can work nice in a nice office with some air

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conditioning. And you know what I did?
I, I did all of that. And you know what everyone told
me, all the men told me, they told me I was gay, like, right.
And it's like, it's so funny howhow how that happens.
And you see it all the time now,right where where you have the
guys in the construction field, like in the unions or, or just

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general open shop construction. And then they're like, Oh, I
wish I was in an office. And then you have all the guys
who are like tech Bros and in the offices are like, I wish I
was in the construction field. And I think it's just this weird
thing that we do. But so, So what did you like,
let's try and narrow this down. Where did you want to be when
you were younger? Like did you have a dream and
aspiration? You're like, I'm going to be a
cop or something like. So I, well, I, I kind of

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listened to my parents for that.So I, I really missed some point
when I was like 10 or 12 years old, I wanted to be an architect
for some reason. OK, cool.
And I mean, I wasn't even very creative or like, you know,
drawing stuff or whatever. I don't know why.
I must have met someone who's doing 9.
That was OK, maybe not. But then a little bit later when
I was probably like 14 years old, 15, I set myself the goal

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of being like software engineer.That was and that's took for a
while and I think I wanted that because back then, so I was born
in 1987. So when I was 14, it was early
2000, that was like the, the boom of the Internet economy and

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all that, right? And then like the the.com bubble
and everything. And I think there was like this
global spirit of like, if you can figure out how to use
computer and work with computersand coding and everything, like
you'll be all right. Like that was the path to
success at early 2000, right? So I think that probably

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probably was a seed that was planted in my head through that.
And yeah, so I went to uni learning software development.
I did that from yeah, I did a master degree in software
development and robotics. But it's funny because looking
back at it, I don't think I was passionate about it.

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Like, you know, some, some people go there and you have
those things like those geeks would love building robot and
when they get home, they love coding and all that and all
that. I was, I was not like that.
I I went there because I knew itwas a strategic move.
It was clever. It was the good thing to learn
for the future. But it wasn't out of like a

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passion. Like, yeah, it was really
strategic. more than I really love this thing.
This is what I'm going to be doing for the rest of my life.
Right. You pushed it pragmatically and
logically, yeah. Yeah, very.
Yeah. And yeah.
And that's, that was the beginning of my career.
I I graduated from master degreein 2011 in yeah computer science

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and I did what, like 5 years of software development in France?
Amazing. I was the beginning, yeah.
And that was also like up then Iwas living, I guess the life my
parents told me to live and wanted me to live.
You know, I graduated from a master degree really good.

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Like, OK, well done. I moved with my girlfriend at
the time was like my wife. I after a couple of years, you
know, you buy a car, you buy, you buy a house, you get
married. Like I was on track of living
this good regular life that everyone else around me was

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living. Right.
Did you you you're married? Do you have kids?
No, I don't. And that that is that.
But that is a big part of the change that happened eventually,
so we can we can jump into the actual one.
Alright, Yeah. Well, yeah, like so so you

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wouldn't So you graduated from the university and and then it
was. And I think that's it's also
important to highlight the fact that like you can do something
and not be in love with it and that's OK.
And, and that might be a better move for some people like I, I
like, because then you don't have this like crushing blow
when you realize that maybe you're not the actual best or

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whatever, or that, you know, it's not, it's not really what
it's cracked up to be or anything like that.
And so the, the, the romanticized version of a of,
you know, a career is kind of like it's flattened to some
reality where you can actually just take a tool and go do what
you need to do with it, right. And, and so now you're, you're

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kind of like, this is the optimal way to hunt if I want to
do this. So if I do it this way, then
I'll just eat. And so when you look at it like
a mechanical process, it almost yields more fruit because you're
not so like emotionally burdenedby the outcomes of, of that and,
and feeding that emotional beast.
And instead you're just doing a thing.

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So you wouldn't back for the masters?
Yeah, I, I, I did, Yeah. I didn't stop.
I just went everything in. What, what, what drove you to go
do that? I think was it strategic?
Yeah, it was. It just made sense in a way,

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like in order to get a decent job and and stuff like that, it
just made sense to just carry on.
So I just did what I thought was.
How long? How long after?
After? You said five years.
It was five years before you went back to Master's.
No, so I I I graduated from my bachelor degree in 2809 and.

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Oh, gotcha. And and and master in 11.
So I did bachelor and master back-to-back.
Gotcha. I misunderstood that.
OK, gotcha. Very cool.
So then you had you were living with a girlfriend during school
and all that. Did you have a hard time during
school or anything or you just kind of going doing the thing?
No, my school years were we fun?I had a great time.

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If I'm being a school, yeah, I Iwas.
I've never been the best student, but I think I'm not.
I don't understand. I don't want to sound cookie,
but I think I'm intelligent enough so I could basically get
by by not doing much. So I really enjoy my I'm at

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school because I could go out and, and do all the getting
pissed every weekend and everything and everything, but
while also delivering and, and you know, in time for my exams
and stuff like that without having to work too much.
So. I had a lot of fun, yeah.
Yeah. And I think I think a lot of
dudes get lost or a lot of people just generally speaking

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get lost in, in like the, the amount of effort.
And obviously you should pay attention to what you're doing
if it's going to, especially if you're like, if it's something
that has like severe ramifications when you're
exercising a job. But like you should want to know
the knowledge, right? But like, when it comes to like
the world of academia, like unless you're staying in

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academia, a sea is passing, no one cares.
Like and, or if you're going to like top, go ahead.
Exactly. No, Yeah, Like I think it's
like, it's funny looking back atit, you know, because I, I never
had the goal or the ambition to be like in the top five or
whatever. Like I just, you know what?

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I needed to graduate and to pass.
And it's like, OK, I will have that.
That's that's the job that I need to do.
I don't need to do more to do less.
So I'm going to enjoy my life and go out and do all the things
that you should be doing when you're a young adult.
And I will pass, you know, with whatever I need to pass.
I'm not going to overdo. Anything.

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Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, that's a So you had a
girlfriend during all of this ordid she come later?
So we met one year before I I graduated from my master.
So it's actually funny. So on during my master degree I
decided and that was my first adventure and in 2010 I decided

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to I need to learn English. My English was very bad in in
France we don't not great with languages and the way Torah
school is pre crap. If you want to learn English,
you need to get out there right and then by.
Right, you only started learningin two thousand 2010.
Yes, yeah. English is better than two than

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men I know who have lived in America their entire lives.
Yeah. So basically I, I, yeah, I
decided to go to Australia that.Was fantastic.
About it I and again, like I don't even know why like I have
been intrigued by Australia whenI was a kid because of rugby,

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you know like in France, rugby is one of big sport and
Australia is like the the the ultimate heaven for.
For some reason. Just because of, yeah, just
because of that, I was really intrigued by Australia and, and
yeah, I I started looking for six months abroad internship in

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Australia when I was doing my master degree and I found
something. So one day I literally showed up
at my parents and I was like, hey, I have found this thing in
Sydney, can I go please? Basically being a very naive,
very naive 21 years old, not having a fucking clue how, how
much that would cost, how much how I would pay for it.

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Just, you know, like a totally the naive adolescent, well,
young adult big man. Hey mum and dad, can I go to
Australia? Yeah.
And and so, yeah. So now I would like what what
did that change anything for youas a person when when you kind

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of got that green light? Yeah, that was.
Did it hit you when you got there?
No, it's when I got there. Yeah.
That was a huge turning point, those six months in Australia,
because that was the first time getting out of Europe for me.
Like before that, I've been to Spain, which is usually an hour
away from my house, and I've been to Portugal, which is an

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hour flight from my house. And my grandparents are
Portuguese, so we go there once in a while, but like, I've never
been before. And yeah, going to Australia,
barely speaking in English, but I knew that was the right thing
to do. So that was my why.
That was like my motivation. Yeah.

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That was an incredible time in my life.
Like one of incredible 6 months because I I learn English.
That's N So that's when the story commits.
I met my wife, she's English. She was a student abroad as well
and we started to hang out together over there and later we

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got married. OK, so two things.
So OK, so she was she was studying abroad in Australia and
you met her there? OK, how did you meet her?
Oh, we were all living in the same apartment.
So we we shared a place with seven people in total.

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It was like a yeah, like a couple of Brazilian dudes.
German girl, Dutch girl, French girl, Me, Rosie my my wife.
Like a hostile situation. But just like a shared apartment
apartment with like 2 room, one with like four or five girls in
one room and three boys with in the other room on bunk beds and

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just putting every single day. And yeah.
It was like that, the real worldshow.
Yeah, exactly. Awesome.
That sounds awesome. And so she was one of the people
living there. Yeah.
And so you just. Yeah.
We just, we just started hangingout and then dating.
And then when we I came back, I went back to France, she went

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back to England. We both had one year left to
complete our degrees. We like the long distance
relationship thing. For one year now we were flying
once a month somewhere in the middle between France and
England to see each other, stufflike that.

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And yeah, eventually we we movedtogether once we both graduated.
Was that hard to juggle the the the long distance relationship?
Did you did you ever struggle with that?
Surprisingly not, if I'm being honest, because we managed to
make it work. Like like I said, like we, we

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were trying to fly to see each other once a month for every two
weeks, you know, between like some school vacation and a few
things here and there. We always find a way to see each
other enough, like often enough to keep the thing going.
And then to complete my master degree, I had the option to do

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my last semester abroad again. So I decided to England for six
months for my last semester. So I went to England for, yeah,
it was six months. And so we were not in the same
city, but much closer to each other.
Thought I was also. No.
Yeah, much easier. Very cool.
What do you, how important do you think it is for a man to or

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a person, right? Just to leave the, the area that
they live in? Like you went on this adventure,
like you, you just said that you'd never left France before
going to Australia. How important do you think that
that experience is to just leaveyour, your town or whatever,
right. Like do you ever play Pokémon?

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Yeah, I do. OK.
All right. How important it is?
How important is it to leave Pallet Town?
I love your subscription, incredibly important.
Like I don't have a kid, but if I would have one I would
literally. But you know, you can't force
them. But I would highly, highly,
highly highly recommend them to get out there and see the world

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as soon as they can. What do you think it changed for
you? Show me how big and different
the world was when you live somewhere and when you grow up
in an environment where everyonethink the same, you see the
world through a tiny little window and you believe again,

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I'm just going to be like very concrete and honest here.
I grew up in small. I grew up like so in the South
of France, very close to the Spanish border.
There's a lot of migrants where I come from.
There's a lot of Spanish people,like Spanish family, Portuguese
family. I'm one of them.
My, my dad is Portuguese. And there's also a lot of people

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from like Algeria, Morocco, likeNorth Africa.
It's like a, it's a lot of different people, different
cultures and stuff like that. There's a lot of racism.
I wanted to talk to you about that.
And basically I grew up in a house fairly racist and

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homophobic, I've been told when I was like a young teenager and,
you know, I started to be interested with girls like don't
be gay, don't date girl of colour, like whatever, like she
has to be. Why like don't date this, don't
date, like stuff like that. And it was very like, you know,
like if one day you come, you tell me you're gay, I'll blow

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your face off like, like he wasn't.
So I grew up with this kind of thing.
But that was very, I don't blamemy parents also because that was
very normal for everyone living around there.
And he still is, to be honest, like nothing changed so much in
20 years in my village. And also, despite France being a

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very like multicultural country historically, stuff like that,
the truth is that when you look at when you watch the TV or when
you read the newspaper and everything, you're fed a bunch
of information from the news. I keeps telling you that
everyone that is not white or stuff like that or bad people

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basically. And when and when you're like,
conditioned for years listening to the same speech over and over
again, like you believe it. And I think it's Nelson Mandela
said something about no one is born racist, but people have
taught racism something like that, right?
No one is born racist. You just become racist through

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your life based on your environment.
And yeah, like I, I, I really believe that because getting out
of this bubble really blew my mind and showed me that the
world was much more complex thanwhat I thought it was and much
more interesting. And there were amazing people

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out there. And whatever the religion, the
skin colour, the sexual orientation, it's funny, I grew
up like that. And one of my best mate now, you
know, is a black man. I created a business with a gay
man. Like it's very funny when you
think about it like 30 years later.

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Yeah, right. And I, and I think that's
something that's really, really important because the, the
getting out of Pallet Town, so to speak, right?
Because then the rest of the game doesn't start right.
Like like the actual adventure is outside of Fallow town,
right? It's outside of the town that

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you, you were born in. And I, I know people who still
live in the same town that I grew up in and they don't leave
and they're afraid to leave. And it's almost like some weird
like Truman Show thing where like the minute they get outside
of the gates or right, or like Ender's Game.
No, but not in the game. What is the other one?

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Oh my God, I'm just slip my mind.
But where it's like there's these walls that confined you
into this into this existence and you can't leave and you must
participate and. That's my dad, by the way.
That's, that's who. That's still who it is, my dad.
It's very it's. Right.
I keep telling him like every time, like every time you need

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to leave the house or you need to leave the village, make sure
you take your oxygen tank because you're not going to have
the oxygen of your town and you're going to feel bad.
You're going to pass. Out.
So fun. Make joke about it because it's
so true. Yeah, Hunger Games was what I
was thinking about. Also, Always Sunny in
Philadelphia. They can never leave, you know,
the town. And it's just like it's this,

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there's we see these, these jokes in, in media and culture
that we, we consume. And it's like, because there's
some truth to it, right, That we, we are confined by our own
perceptions. And I think that's one of the
biggest things that allows the veil to be pierced is, is
literally getting outside of, you know, the, the constant

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feedback loop in Plato's cave oflike where you're at.
It's, it's so weird how resistant people are to maybe
like, hey, maybe I'm wrong, Likejust that simple idea.
It's there's such a recoil to it, right?
And. Maybe of getting out of your

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control zone like it's a very we, we hear that so many times,
but it's true. It's so true.
Right. And it's, it's almost comical,
right? Like, especially like when we
come into, you know, the, the, the things that like people
can't control, right? Like when we're talking about
like homosexuality or racism specifically, it's like, it

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quite literally is just like just because somebody was born
with a different color of skin. And I think, but like, no one
can change that, right? And I've never, I've never been
to understand that like that wasa factor for anything, right?
Like of any caliber. And, and so the, the idea that
it's still prevalent is, is absolutely like appalling to me.

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And it, it comes from like, because I know people exist out,
you know, where I'm at with the same mentality and they think
it's funny and they think it's normal.
And, and it's like the, the little area that you're

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describing that exists in other places like that 100% right.
And, and so it's fascinating when Someone Like You comes
along and says, this is what I grew up in, because I'm like,

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dude, that's kind of what I grewup in.
And and then you're like, that's, you know, that helped
me, that pushed me into this area.
And now, you know, one of my best friends is black and my my
business partner's gay. And it's like, never in a
million years what I thought that was.
That would be my reality becauseof where I came from and it is

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today. And, and like, that's like the
progression of somebody's life is through adventure and seeing
the world through a different lens.
And I bet, I'm willing to bet that your, your proximity to
these people has opened your mind to new worlds and new
understandings of things. And you probably view them as
people and not as sexual orientation and skin color,

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right? No, for sure.
And also I've got I need to givesome kudos to my wife also for
challenging me when I was younger on stupid things that I
was saying, you know, like, I don't know, because obviously
we're not talking about an overnight change, right?
It didn't happen overnight. Like you can't appeal years of

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conditioning in in one weekend. But it was like my wife has
never been racist or phobic. Actually, she's she was the
polar opposite of why was I would say so when I was saying
stupid stuff like, you know, oh,I don't want to hang out with
this person because they'll get whatever she was, She was always

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challenging me. She was not just letting me say
things like that. She was like, but why do you
care? Like, what is he going to do to
you? You know, like just always
challenging my things and, and, and he was like, yeah, like it's
not going to do anything, you know, like nothing's going to
happen. It doesn't matter.
It's fine. And always like talking me
really made me question my belief.

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And then eventually I managed towell, you know, rewrite those
beliefs. But having someone to challenge
you, I think it's also importantbecause quite hard to just
change back on your own, right? And to challenge what you
believe is quote UN quote, right?
Yeah, no. And it's, there's something also
like that is almost ironic about, especially with like the,

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the homophobia, because I know people who, who are like that.
And it's, I'm just going to say it's like, like these people
spend more time thinking about like somebody's sexual

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activities. So they spend more time thinking
about Dick than my gay friends think about Dick.
And it's really funny, right? And so it's like, how is that
not gay? Like you're consumed and
obsessed with another male and what he does with his penis with
another male and, and you're you're bothered by them, but

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it's like you're thinking about it like why?
Why are you so upset? And and like you said, way more
than they do, like it's just yeah, since when you think about
it, like objectively, but yeah. Yeah, when I talk to my gay
friends, it's never like, oh, let's talk about, you know, Dick
and balls. And it's like, no, no, It's
like, hey, what's up? How are you doing?
How's your family? Right, like.

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It's. Not I don't understand why these
people are still put on some like these people.
Like I don't understand why homosexuality is a general
blanket is still like viewed as some kind of other or like an
outside force or an outside, like a different type of people.
And it's like we're still tryingto ground everything into like
the humanity part of it. And the same with racism.

(33:07):
It's like it's crazy that it still exists.
Yeah, but no. Yeah, but, but, but, but other
truth is that those still exist.But also like one of the reason
I'm I'm sharing all that is alsoto be hopeful and to be
optimistic so you can change like the the everything is not

(33:28):
gloom and gloom like you can change if you put yourself into
the right environment, if you'rewilling to open your mind a
little bit and to challenge whatyou believe like you do can
change. It is possible.
I'm I'm the living proof of that.
Yeah, right. And then in into no fault of
your own, right. Like you just were a product of

(33:49):
an environment that you had no control over until you and then
when you found out you had control, you change it.
And I think that's important to highlight as well.
And you know, that's really coolbecause most men don't have the
the the willingness or backbone to be honest about that.
And so I appreciate you sharing that.
Thank. You.

(34:10):
Oh yeah. And I agree with you like it's,
and also like, like I said before, like I don't blame my
parents because they're also theresult of their own environment,
Right. So it's just like a cycle that
if no one breaks the cycle, thenyou're trapped into this cycle.
And generally it's like no one knows why it's like this, but
everyone agrees and just take itas what it is.

(34:34):
Yeah, but but but it's possible to break out of it and change
so. All right, so, so we were at
your wife, your now wife, you guys were dating, did the long
distance thing, you were in England and then what happened?
How did you guys made it work and you got married?
Yeah. So we we made work, we moved to

(34:58):
France, we moved to Paris in after graduation.
So we both graduated at the sametime.
And what was she studying? Fashion and textile.
Cool. OK.
And the same like she was doing now, just because she liked to
buy clothes, not because she wasabout it, you know.

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And yeah, we, we moved to Paris together in all 2011.
After graduation, we spent one year in Paris and then we moved
to the South of France and we bought our first apartment.
We did. Yeah, we, we checked, we started
checking the boxes like of, you know, what you should be doing

(35:44):
as a young couple living a regular life.
So we both had a job. So we got a mortgage and bought
a place, bought a car and everything.
We got married in 2015. So after five years of being
together and in 2016 we started to talk about having a family,

(36:06):
having having kids. And what changed?
Well, that's the, that's the theturning point of the story, I
would say. Really this so was it opening
the door to maybe like how are you doing in your careers right
now during this time? Everything's good, right?

(36:26):
I'm imagining. Yeah, I mean, everything is
normal, you know, I had AI, had a job that I really enjoyed in
the South of France. My wife was.
Yeah. She had a job in a, yeah, job in
a town where we lived. Yeah.
It was just very regular life, you know, we had a bunch of
friends around and going for drinks on Friday and.

(36:48):
Very cool. Doing this on Saturday, Monday,
Sunday, like just very regular everything was.
Fine. And then you said, hey, I think
we should have a kid. And she was like, pump the
brakes. I don't know.
No, no, so so we we she wanted kids way before then.
I wanted to Oh, so I I've been the one more like on a Yeah.

(37:09):
You were pumping the brakes. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah. But eventually I felt ready for
it. If, if you OK something, if you
can never be ready, I don't know, but I felt like I, I was
ready and we started trying in 2016.
And the reason I'm saying this is a turning point is because we

(37:31):
still don't have a child 10 years later.
And the reason is because. You're still together?
Yeah. Yeah, we're still, yeah, we're
still together. You know, we're still together.
I'm still married. We are about to celebrate our
ten years wedding anniversary night.
That's awesome. So, you know, we, we are happy
together, but the reason we havea child is because we
experienced a lot of infant loss.

(37:53):
Basically we, we tried, but we had four experiences of infant
loss, pregnancy, infant loss andthat's.
Terrible. And that changed our life.
And what I'm going to say is strange for some people maybe,
but it changed our life in some sense also for the better, which

(38:17):
is very strange to say, but I can explain.
Yeah. I mean, it's a heavy burden to
go through multiple times. And it's a devastating chain of
events that unfold when you're trying to bring life into this
world and and like, you're actually yielding the opposite,
right? And and for her, it's probably
exceptionally devastating. For the both of us, for the both

(38:39):
of us, different experiences, but but for the both of us.
But yeah, the first time when wetried in 2016, she had a very
early miscarriage, which is, youknow, fairly common.
Since then, I've been doing my studying, you know, like one out
of four, and she's end up, you know, early miscarriage.
So it is something that a lot ofpeople, a lot of couple

(39:02):
experience. It's not talked about too much,
but. It's.
Very common. So we were one of those stats I
would say. So we tried again straight away
after and and the second pregnancy was the huge burning
point in our life. We, we were pregnant, we told

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our parents, we told our friends, everyone was happy.
And after 20 weeks, 22 weeks, wedoing one of the scan that that
we had, we found out that the baby had the very severe illness
condition. So we spend 4 weeks doing a lot

(39:54):
of testing, like DNA testing andto understand everything that
was going on and everything. And yeah, basically our baby boy
had everywhere genetic conditionand had a lot of.
Complication and basically we had to have, we had to terminate
the pregnancy after six months because of.

(40:16):
Our work. So that was a very, very
traumatic event for the both of us.
Yeah. Because my wife had to give
birth to a boy that was not alive anymore and traumatic by

(40:36):
itself for both of us. And obviously after that, it
took month and month to heal, you know, month of depression
and to to get back on on track. I can say that, yeah, that was a
huge turning point in our life because luckily we did heal.

(41:03):
Luckily we managed to use this very tragic even as like a
turning point to turn our life around in a way.
How did you feel as a as a man during that that situation,
though? Like what as a as a guy, you

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know, you're married, you've youknow, everything is good.
You're trying for a kid. You're struggling with the with
this whole bringing a kid to theworld thing.
And and then here's the situation.
And I mean, that's the that's like a really tragic situation.
I I know that I probably would, you know, handle it the best I

(41:47):
could, but it's not an easy situation, right?
Yeah, like it's. A pretty scene, right?
Yeah, you. Can't, right.
And so how are you coping with that?
And like what is going through your head with when all that's
happening like? Well, thank you for asking that
because it's not something that I get to talk about often, but

(42:08):
it was, I didn't realise at the time, but it was very hard
obviously just, you know, because the situation is hard,
like it's hard for every, for everyone obviously.
But what I realised also at the moment, in a sense it didn't
bother me at the moment, but he probably did unconsciously, is

(42:29):
that everyone was concerned about her and not about me.
Like everyone called. Then my parents called asking
how, you know, like it's something that happened to her
and not to me. And and that was that was
strange because I felt like in away, no one cared about me or I

(42:53):
don't know, everyone assumed that I was just fine because I
was not the one that was, you know, physically going through
it. But I don't think a lot of
people can understand the emotional toll that it takes
also to just see, you know, yourwife in this situation.
And, you know, I had to be quote, UN quote, the strong one.
I had to deal with all the paperand I had to, I had to go to

(43:17):
like the town hall where the hospital was to register the
birth and the death of my kid. You know I had.
To do. Like the Funeral Home to
organize the fucking funeral andhaving a guy telling me that,
you know, it's going to cost me like 1000 of euros to have
coffee and stuff like that whereI was like, no space to make

(43:37):
decisions of sorts, you know? But I had to deal with all that
somehow while my wife was just in bed crying for days.
And and then every time the phone rings, the first question
dies being asked. This house, was he doing?
It was very strange. Yeah.

(44:00):
Man, my condolences, Sir. It's interesting because it's
you're telling me this story andI'm like, dude, what?
You're experiencing the birth ofyour child in a way that is and

(44:25):
the death of the child all at once.
And it's like you're experiencing the part where most
parents you know, are elated to experience.
And then also in tandem, you're experiencing the part where most
parents should never have to experience.
And, and you, you don't even getthe satisfaction of all of the
the nonsense in the middle, right?
All of the hair pulling situations that a child brings

(44:48):
to your doorstep by virtue of existing.
You don't you don't get the struggle the last like you don't
get that part right. And that's the part where people
do anything, right? It's it's the journey, right?
It's not it's not it's not leaving Pallet Town.
That's the birth of it. It's not it's not you know, the
end of it. It's at the end of the game,

(45:09):
right? Thank you for playing.
It's everything in between, right?
It's and I'm like, dude, and there's, there's this thing with
men that they're supposed to be.Did you watch that spider man
movie with Tobey Maguire? Do you know the scene where he's

(45:31):
holding all the, the webs together and he's trying to keep
the subway bus from falling? I feel like like the world wants
the men to be that way. And and and then when we when we
saved the day, not we're supposed to stay there like that
so that everyone can cross us like a fucking bridge and just
step on us like a mat. And and it's and it's like in

(45:56):
this moment where in bright the you're like, I felt a certain
way. And my head is saying, Oh yeah.
Because if I said that when I was in that situation around the
same old people that I used to be around, they were just been
like, stop being gay. Suck it up.
And it's like, well, that has nothing to do with anything.
It's like it's not a gay thing. It's not like a a suck it up

(46:18):
thing. It's like there's a very clear
thing that's happening and you are my community and my support
and you should be part of my tribe and take this loss as also
your own and make sure that everybody in your tribe is good.
Yeah. Right, right.
It's all for one until it's likeout.
Well, that's your problem. And it's like, that's crazy,

(46:38):
dude. Yeah.
But I also think also like just on on this topic is that no one
is equipped and taught like how to react when this shit happens
to be honest. Right.
Like, you know, like we like, wejust don't know how to react

(46:59):
when he happens to you, but alsoif he happens to your best mate
tomorrow, right? It's it's very hard to know how,
what to say and what to do in this kind of situation because
it's so devastating and awkward at the same time.
And like, and, and you know, I don't think anyone has any bad
intent. Everyone is always willing to

(47:22):
help though, So no one knows what the right thing to say.
And the truth is that thing to say like what you want when
you're in a situation, you just want to have someone to listen
to you and someone that you can just cry with.
You know, it's kind of simple because there's nothing to say
like what? What do you want to say when she
like that happen, right? There's nothing you can say is
going to make me feel better. It is what it.

(47:44):
Is right, right? You can't undo the event, right?
No. Don't take away my pain or
anything like that. Like all you want is just to
like you. You feel very alone when she
like that happens. So like all you want is like a
friend or family member to just be there, listen to you really,
to just shout and cry and be angry or whatever it is that

(48:08):
whatever emotion you're feeling at the moment, you just want.
Yeah, the friend for the end of the world.
Right, Right. You want somebody?
Hey, I don't know how to fix this, but I'm here if you need
anything and just sit. Yeah, it's it's it's the
drinking buddy. When the drinking's gone,

(48:29):
someone just sit there and fucking go through it with you.
Yeah, man. And so you you had to arrange
all the paperwork and all the. Yeah.
All the events afterwards. And yeah, yeah, just a week,

(48:51):
literally a week later. So yeah, that was, you know, in
the middle. How did you and then how did?
You pick up from there. Well, the thing also, it's like
the reality is like the world doesn't give a shit about how
you feeling, right? Like you still have to pay your
rent and pay your bills and everything.
So you also kind. Of.
Have to pick yourself up becauselife carries on and and and the

(49:16):
world moves on. So you know, France is a good
country for that. Like socially speaking, you
don't have to get back to work on the day after.
Like my wife had like four months of leave that she was
able to take, so she had some time where she didn't have to go
back to work. I had a month, about a month,

(49:37):
yeah, because I think I went back to work early June.
So I had about four weeks. So yeah, I just stayed with her
for a month. And then I had, I just had to go
back to work because, because, because I had to, because it's
just like, because we have a mortgage to play, so I can't
just afford to stay at home and cry all day.
Like is what it is. Yeah, here it would not fly like

(49:58):
that. Like that can happen on like a a
Sunday or Saturday or Friday andthey or Monday and they'd be
like, hey, so you're coming in on your shift, right.
Sorry, Yeah, sorry to hear a bunch of things, but you're
coming in on Monday, right? Yeah.
I don't have anyone to cover. I'm going to say also that I had
like amazing managers at the time that were very

(50:20):
understanding and we like, we'reall good friends now, even to
these days and. That's awesome.
Really, really, really great to deal with this whole situation.
It's a funny one because like also, you know, at some point
you need to move on and going back to work and seeing people
and talking to people was also good for my mental health

(50:42):
because you know, like just being in bed crying all day
wasn't going to solve my sadnessand everything and anything.
So having this other thing to do, to be distracted for 8 hours
a day and think about something else and feel the people and
stuff like that was probably nota bad thing, even if it wasn't

(51:06):
that I wanted. But I'm, I'm actually helped,
you know, in a, in a way that can we visualize?
But it was also complicated because my wife didn't have
that. So when I was at the office, she
was alone all day in, in the house.
And, you know, she was, we were in France, her family's in

(51:27):
England. So she was away from her family,
her parents, her brothers and stuff like that.
And yeah, it was very difficult for her.
I, I didn't realize at the time because I was a bit think
oblivious to whole situation. And also I think she was sort of
hiding it, not to make me feel bad about it, but like I was

(51:52):
going to the office trying to get back to normal life and she
was, she was very, very depressed, staying at home all
day long for weeks. Not one did this.
Cause a lot of friction between you guys.
No we didn't, to be honest. Some somehow we managed to go

(52:15):
through it harder than before. Like we, we, we were like a
stronger couple than we were before, to be honest, Like we
really looked after each other and cared about each other.
And no, I, I can't recall any huge, you know, fights or things
that came out of there. Yeah, it sounds like you 2 get

(52:36):
along very well and very supportive of each other.
Yeah, no, yeah, I'm very grateful for that.
Yeah, we are. That's amazing.
Yeah. What do you think is the secret
to that? What is what is it?
What is it that you guys think you do other than respect each
other? What is it?

(52:58):
I was like, do you guys, I mean,obviously you you argue and you
get in fights and like everybodyelse, but do you think that
there's a method to that or, or maybe there's some understanding
you guys have or there's just something different or was maybe
a just a I don't know, what was it?
What is it? Yeah, it's, it's, it's funny

(53:19):
because like when you, when you look at us individually, we are
very different people. I think, I think if we would
have we, we, we would have been like a little younger and we, we
would now be 20 years old on Tinder or whatever app they're

(53:40):
using those days. I don't think we would have been
matching. I don't think the apps would
have matched each us because we are very different people.
Oh, interesting. It's very funny for that.
Yeah. Like I think in a digital online
dating world we would have nevermet which is very funny.
Gotcha. No, I don't know.

(54:03):
It's no secret to be honest. We just we're just very good
friends. We are very different people, I
guess. I guess The thing is like
despite our differences in termsof our hobbies or interests, we
both agree on more like the bigger important that's.

(54:26):
What I was getting to? You know, like the big like not
the mission or the vision or thegoals.
Like, yeah, like we, we are veryconnected at this level of like
both of us wants to live happy life.
We, we, we both want to be together.
We are like, yeah, it's more like the daily stuff don't
matter so much as long as on a big mission you're aligned in a

(54:50):
way. Yeah, you have the same code,
but your UI looks different, yeah.
Yeah, here we go. Right, because I, I, I, I find
that the strongest bonds are that way, right?
Where it, everything else on theinterest, the likes, the
dislikes, those things that are just superficial, they're on the
periphery that you can have a wide variance of people together

(55:14):
and you're like, how are these people together?
It's because the part where maybe you know, the, the
important part, the, the principled aspects, the things
that the foundation is very strong and that's where they,
they agree and they do not disagree on not it's not only
just agree now, but they just don't disagree on it and they're

(55:34):
able to have conversations aboutit, right?
So like, if you know, you very clearly both want children, if
one of you did not want children, that is a very
fundamental aspect of a relationship that will cause
friction, right? Do you do you believe in God,
right? Maybe that one could go either
way depending on the couple. But you know, things like that

(55:57):
like or, or what life should be cut, how life should be
constructed or what's most important in life, right?
If those those things are just wavered wildly between couples,
there is so it causes so much more friction where if those are
grounded comparatively to like, what's your favorite ice cream,
right. And, and in most situations now

(56:17):
you do because you have like theTinders and the grinders and the
hinges and like all these damn apps and Bumble and all of this.
It's like you lead, you lead with like my favorite ice cream
is I mean, and no one's actually, I hope no one's
actually doing that. But like you lead with the the
things that might seem to attractive, attractive to
somebody else. And to me it's like, well, why

(56:39):
would I want another version of myself hanging around?
That seems like a waste. That and also I think it's more
like for the long term sustainedsustainability of the
relationship. Interesting is change like you
know. 100%. 20 is different whenwho you are.
When you are 30, then you're 40 and your hobbies and interests

(57:01):
are going to change throughout your life.
And there are some you might have a decade where you're very
different and you might have a decade where you have similar
interests, yeah, and stuff like that.
But your core values should roughly remain the same.
And that's what will make the long term relationship works.
Because if you're just bonding on, like you said, ice cream and

(57:25):
very superficial short term stuff like that, just because
you like the same TV show, I OK,what what happened at the end of
the TV show then? Like you don't have anything
else in common and, and you're done.
And that's it. Like it's not going to be
sustainable long term. That's that's the key.
And anyhow, I'm not surprised like that what you mentioned,
you know about all those superficial applications, it

(57:49):
usually creates just hookups andone might stand more than
marriage, right, Just because ofthat.
Right, right. I mean it happens, right?
But like, that's the usually theexception, not the rule, right?
And it's, so I was just really curious how, how you guys manage
that. And because it seems to be that
when someone says, Hey, you know, me and my partner, we're

(58:12):
very different. Immediately my, my head goes to,
oh, it's because you guys agree on your core values, isn't it?
And, and almost, you know, 100% of the time that's what it is.
And the people who were like, we're exactly the same and we
can't figure out why we are fighting all the time and why
we're not together. And it's like, oh, I bet you
it's core values or not aligned.And it usually is.

(58:34):
And so it's fascinating how we've shifted our, our, our
searching mechanisms for for mates to to be like, more like
an Instagram page than the Instagram code.
We live in a world where we are desperate for like short term
things and what is it like? Yeah.

(58:57):
Yeah, like just we one shot of dopamine here now and, and
everything is designed this way and that's what most people are
seeking. And so, yeah, I'm not surprised.
It's just another aspect of it. Yeah, social media adrenaline
junkies, like it's just this superficial, like adrenaline.

(59:19):
It's not even like real. I don't even understand it.
OK. So you guys sorry, I keep like
derailing us here, All right. So you guys moved on from how
did you move on from this officially after you had this,
this period of like, you know bereavement and.
Yeah, so we had, we basically had like from May to November of

(59:44):
really just a shitty time. No, nothing else I can say about
it. And luckily was silver lining
and all that is that at the sametime I had this opportunity with
my job. So I was working for a French
startup in South of France and they had they had the project of

(01:00:06):
opening an office in the US because they wanted to expand
internationally. And they told me before anything
like that happened. If we do it, if we manage to
actually. Get to the US and and open
something there. We want you to come.
Would you want to come? I said yes.

(01:00:28):
So I, I wasn't sure what's goingto happen at this time, but I
had basically an agreement that if it does happen, I'll I'll be
moving to the US and the the plan was to go to Miami, FL.
So when all this happened, the, the, the company growing and

(01:00:48):
after summer it was made official that the office in the
US was going to open. So basically we know that at
some point we would be going to Miami eventually.
And in November, I remember it was yesterday, my wife was just

(01:01:11):
having a very, very, very hard time just moving on.
And she told me, listen, if we don't go to Miami now, we need
to. She said I can't stay in this
apartment anymore. I have too many memories in this
apt. I need to move out.
I need to get the fuck out of here.
We either move to Miami like very very soon or we just quit,

(01:01:36):
pack our bag and say fuck it alland go somewhere.
But I need to move. OK, I'll get that.
So I call my boss. I called my boss and I told them
this is happening, could we makethe Miami thing happen sooner?
And they were like OK, I got you, we'll figure out.

(01:01:58):
And usually I think 4 weeks later we were in a plane to
Miami. So I'm very grateful for that
because I think without having agood relationship with them it
would have been different. But they gave me the green light
and said like from book your flight and we'll figure
everything out. So we, we basically put

(01:02:21):
everything that we owned on Facebook marketplace, got rid of
everything that we had in, in three weeks.
And we moved to Miami on December 17, 2017.
I remember to this day, and the reason we went like 10 days
before Christmas is that becausewe didn't want to spend
Christmas with family because that, that should have been the

(01:02:45):
first Christmas with our baby boy.
You know, he should have been the best Christmas ever.
And instead it was the shit justChristmas ever.
So we just didn't want to celebrate Christmas.
So we we we escaped 2 weeks before I to avoid it if I'm
being honest. Did you ever think that you were

(01:03:06):
going to be living in the UnitedStates?
Sorry. Did you ever think that you
would be living in the US? No, no, never.
I mean the powerful that on whenonce they told me, you know, it
was never on my radar. Really.
That's funny. That's exactly how I was going.
I was never on your radar. It's fascinating.
And it sounds like you didn't give it too much thought outside

(01:03:29):
of like, you know, she was readyto move on.
It sounded like all of you were ready to move on and this
opportunity kind of was invitingyou to move on in a way that
allowed you guys to continue stability and to continue your
growth and still give you the space to to heal as needed.

(01:03:51):
Did you, did you find some senseof maybe a new sense of
adventure when you got to Miami or you're still kind of dealing
with with the loss of your child?
No, we did. I, I like to say that Miami
saved us moving somewhere where you know, like you don't know

(01:04:16):
anyone pretty much like we, I mean we actually know two
people, like 2 managers who moved there as well.
But apart from that, we didn't know anyone.
So. We were able to start fresh and
something that was also like important more for my wife than
for me was not being labeled anymore by the group of friend,

(01:04:37):
as you know, the one who had to go through that.
Like everyone who knows you, every all your friends and
family, you know, they, they won't say it, but you know, for
a while when stuff like that happened, they not that they
PTU. I don't know what's the right
term, but you know, they, it's, you know, let's make sure we

(01:04:57):
don't talk about kids when they're around because, you
know, we don't want to get them upset and stuff like that.
Like there's always talks going on when over there.
Like we could just be just regular people.
And she didn't have to be the the girl who went through that
and and that would. Be cool.
So would you say that they triedto?

(01:05:18):
Like there's people who try to make that event who you are
rather than something you went through.
Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah, Yeah, I think so.
OK, Yeah. So you guys made it to the US,
You guys are doing the thing, what, 2017?
OK. Yeah.

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So we moved in this how? Long did you stay in?
How long did you stay in the US?Are you still here?
No. So we stayed for 3 1/2 years
until April 2021. So COVID, you went through COVID
here? Yeah, but we went to COVID in
Miami, so it was the best place in the world because.
COVID didn't happen in Miami. We had like we had three, we had

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three weeks where we couldn't goon the beach.
And then it was like, go, that's, that's fine, back to
life. It was the best place to be in.
That's. So funny.
We had we had the best freaking time possible in Miami.
Like I. What was your favorite time?
What was your favorite part of of living in the United States?

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I was lucky, you know, we lived on Miami Beach literally like
one street from the beach, like every single morning.
I, I didn't miss many sunrises on the beach out of like 3
years. I've seen, I don't know, 2 and 2
1/2 years of sunrises from the beach in Miami.
We got our paddle board and we're on the water like very

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often, like every week we're going on the water.
Just. Swimming with dolphins and stuff
like that. He was just insane.
He was like living a dream, but in real life.
I didn't even know that was possible.
But yeah, we Miami was amazing for us because we met, I don't
know the right people at the right time that we met a

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community of people that was very open and very healing for
us. It's just what we needed at this
time. And.
Yeah, in 2018 we, we healed a lot.
We spend a lot of time doing some like yoga and meditation
and stuff like that. And that was very, very helpful

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for us to deal with all the trauma that we went through.
And we met a good group of friend through some like parties
that we were going to like not drinking parties more like
spiritual parties, stuff like that.

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We just shared very intimate, like vulnerable moment with
people opening our heart and talking about real shit and
stuff like that. And I was really healing to just
go through through this process of like just opening up and
being vulnerable and having people that were like accepting
and, and telling us it's OK to cry and telling us it's OK to do

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this. And now and, and so and yeah, I
had an amazing time. I, I, I, despite the current
situation, my personal experience with the US was
amazing. I loved it.
I'm going to say that I, I for so many aspects, I love the US

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compared to Europe because we, we found what we needed at the
time. I'm going to give you like a
basic example and you will, you will understand what I mean is
that like, my wife has been obsessed with YouTube for a
while. For example, she, she, she was
watching YouTube and creating video and stuff like that.

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And when we were in France, she thought about starting her own
YouTube channel. She wanted to be a YouTube
because before being a YouTube, what I think she tried a few
times and every time in France she met resistance and mockery
and drugs and stuff like that. All your videos so shared like

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no, no support. Like I'm talking about friends
and family, like most strangers just receiving crap from people
who are supposed to be your friends, being extremely
unsupportive and putting you down for something that you're
trying to do that you care about.
So because of that, she never dared like doing it.
And when we moved to Miami, we met people that were like openly

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saying, yeah, I'm a tick tocker.That's, that's my, that's what I
do, you know, and, and we met somany people doing very cool shit
and making money out of it. And just like regular people
like you and me, you know, like not fancy rich dude or whatever,
like, and, and that was so refreshing because being over

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there and being, you know, we talked about environment
earlier, being in an environmentwhere you see so many people
that look like you could be you at the same, they grew up in
very similar settings and stuff like that.
And the only thing one looks like like a dream live doing a

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job that they love, doing something out of the ordinary
and making money out of there, stuff like that.
That was so refreshing and that opened up so many doors in our
brains and and suddenly the the the scope of of possibilities
was huge to. Be my son.

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I Yeah, No one's like that so much.
And that's the very American thing that doesn't happen.
Is it? 100% convinced about it even.
Here I struggle to kind of Orient people towards like open
the cell door to your brain, like to whatever cell you've
created in like you house yourself in your mind, like just

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open that door and walk out. Because it's not, it's not real.
It's all literally if, if there's something you want to do
and you, you believe in it so much, right, then there's a way
to do it. And then somebody's probably
done it. And if somebody has not done it,
then here's an opportunity for you to do it and change.

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Yeah, that's. That's never been easier today.
I know it's, it's like, it's so crazy.
Like I, I get that. Like there's this goofiness of
like, oh, you're a tick tocker and like, that's what you do.
You're an influencer, OK. And it's like, but, but like, at
the same time, it's like, like, I know older people who, who

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like are struggling to make a paycheck.
And here's this dude who's doingwhat he loves and he's making,
you know, money hand over fist. And some of this, some of these
guys make like retarded amounts of money.
And, and you know, anybody with who's being honest with
themselves is going to agree that doing what you love and

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making a shit ton of money for it is exactly what you want to
be doing. So how could you even hate on it
just because it's social media or whatever?
And it's like there's still somecontribution that and that is
being made to the culture, into a society through doing that,
right. No, it's 100% and, and, and the

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reason I'm saying like the main difference between Europe and
the US on this side is that in Europe, in France specifically,
very often you meet resistance when you, when you try to do
something that is a little bit different when you even when you
start to create a business that could be very normal.

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I think the first batch of response that you're going to
hear from people are like everything that could go wrong.
You know, when in the US people are going to tell you many ways
that you could do it to make it right.
It's just like such a different mindset, I feel.
And, and you know, when you're trying to grow and change, this

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environment is much more nurturing than the other one
because one is surrounded with negativity when the other one is
surrounded by limit, like limitless optimism, which is
maybe also not too good. But when you change and grow and
and and and redefine who you are, being surrounded by

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optimism and positivity, it's a much better soil.
And right, Or at least the otherone, at least the opportunity to
explore, right, Right. So at the very least that if
your spirit is that of an adventurer seeking an adventure,
then you at least have the room and the space to do that.

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So I guess to be fair, what is, what is your, what is it about
France, for instance, that that nobody like no other country
has? What is it?
What is the most awesome thing about France?
Called the food. I'm throwing a big cliche here,

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yeah. Food.
What what what specifically is there a specific dish that's
just like, this is out of control.
This is everyone needs to try this.
If if anyone goes to France, what is the 11 dish they have to
try? And what is the one place they
have to go outside in the tower?No, the, the thing that I love

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about friends and it's interesting because I was
talking about that recently withsomeone is that, you know, like
I've been very lucky to like travel in many, many countries
and there is amazing food in pretty much every country you go
to pretty much. But very often it's like one or
two dishes that are like, oh, this is amazing.
But then the rest is kind of like the same when in France,

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there are like so many signaturedishes depending on where you
go. I every single day for a month
you could eat an outstanding different specialty that will
blow your mind like a month nonstop.
You could change. That's why I love the diversity
of it all. Right.

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So how did you, I guess let's let's get back on track.
I feel like we're just going to,I'm like pulling on all these
threads and I'm like trying to pick your brain on everything.
And we would never have enough time in the world to do all
that. You have a very fascinating
story and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on friends

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and your thoughts on the US. And I, I was just talking to a
gentleman from China and he, it's, it's always fascinating to
hear about the US from somebody outside of it, like who wasn't
born here. And because I know that like for
myself, I've visited other countries and it's my experience

(01:16:22):
with that country is much different than the people who
live there. And I think that the more we
talk about those differences or those perspectives, rather that
the more we realized that, or atleast for myself, right, that
we, there's, there's this commonthread of humanity within all of
us. And at the end of the day, we're

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all just kind of, you know, do the best we can.
We're trying to exist and do cool things and like, make the
best of the situation until we die. 100%.
So you move back to France. I didn't.
That's where the that's that's where the story gets fun.
Is that in, in 2020 in the middle of like COVID and, and

(01:17:10):
everything, I had a moment whereI was like, OK, I, I, I like my
job, but I'm getting bored. I've been doing the same thing
for like 6 plus years. So I'm, you know, I'm not having
fun anymore. So I after like a lot of growth

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in Miami and after everything that happened, what I really I
realized was that I wanted to really enjoy my life and live my
life the fullest. As cliche as a sound, you know,
when you lose a kid, you realizethat a lot of things don't

(01:17:53):
matter so much. A lot of the things that we
worry about don't matter so much.
And also you realize that you can plan your life as much as
you want. She's going to happen.
And. Tomorrow and tomorrow is not
guaranteed. And what came out of there was
like, life expects me to work until I'm 60 plus and then

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retire and then that's when I'm supposed to enjoy my life.
And I wasn't going to have that because I.
Isn't that crazy? Because I realized that that,
you know, everything might not go to plan.
Maybe I will die in five years, maybe I don't know what could
happen. That was really like a massive
turning point in my head and in my way of living life.

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And I made a promise to myself and in a way to my baby boys,
saying like, I will live the best freaking life that I can
from now on. And so I started to question a
lot of things. And basically my wife and I had
a discussion and we sat down andwe tried to rethink about what

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we wanted for this next chapter of our life.
And travelling was something andalso trying to be like
financially independent and to develop a business was something
that we both wanted to try. So in 2020, we both agreed that
I would be quitting my job 12 months later and we just, we

(01:19:25):
took one year. I told my company I'll be
leaving next spring for one year.
We saved as much money as we could, we learn as much as we
could. And on May 1st, 2021, we left
Miami. And since then we've been
jobless and homeless. Basically we we we never got an

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accommodation. Since then we've been living in
hotel and Airbnb and family and traveling since.
Oh. Wow.
So you never went back to Franceto establish a home base?
You just went on. You just started doing the the
digital Nomad life. Yeah.
Oh wow, the holy cow. We've no yeah, it's been 4 years
now without home base. So are you working remote?

(01:20:13):
Yeah, we both work for ourselves, so right, because of
our schedule and and everything.You started a business and did
you start the business in the USbefore you took off?
Yeah, I, I, I started to do a bunch of things in the US with a
bunch of friends and yeah, we another thing that I love about

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the US is that is that we need to start the business.
Anyone can create an LLC in 10 minutes or 9.
So our, our, even if we don't live in the US, we, we have
American NLC because he's just right compared to everywhere
else. Yeah, I have.
I have a bunch of friends who who are like, oh, I want to do a

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business and blah, blah, blah. And like there's all this like
misconceptions about how it actually works out.
And it's like it really is. Like you can go online right now
if you're thinking about starting a business and in quite
literally 10 minutes, you can start an LLC and you can put CEO
on your on your fucking on your card or whatever you're doing.
And. On your website without being

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American and we without living in the US.
Yeah. And it's like, yeah, it costs
anywhere between like 200 bucks and maybe $1000 probably.
But I think with the median range maybe around $500 and and
that's it. And you're on your way.
And so if anyone ever wants to start a business, it's actually
that's the paperwork's the easy part.

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That's not the hard part. The initial paperwork is the
easy part. It's everything else that comes
with it. That is the the most difficult
part. But if you just want to be a CEO
of your own business, you can godo that for like $500.
It's not, it's not a magic trick.
It's not in gatekeeping. No one, no one's stopping you
from achieving your dreams. You just have to get off the
couch, go to the computer or whatever on your phone even.

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Fuck it. Very cool.
So are you allowed to say what kind of business you guys are
running? Yeah, sure.
Yeah. OK, Well, we, I've been trying
many things, OK, I'm still trying to figure it out in a
way. But the main thing is, yeah.

(01:22:22):
I failed like 7 businesses just FYI.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, you'll it happens. No, the, the main thing that
I've been working on personally seems planning all that in
2020-2021 was working on the online yoga world.
I had an online yoga school. So we were teaching people how

(01:22:45):
to become yoga teacher online, which is in Miami.
So I've been doing that until very recently and I'm actually
wrapping, wrapping up the company at the moment DLC.
And I'm, I'm currently starting something new where I'm using my

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10 years of experience working as an employee and my also like
4 years of developing my own business to just help other
people get clarity and get started with their own business.
Because I'm, I'm a very organised person and I am more
unlike the operation sides and, and stuff like that.

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And I've seen, I've met a lot ofpeople that are more like, I
would say on the creative side, you know, very good the craft.
They hate every other aspect of having a business, right?
Or what they call the boring stuff.
That's usually what they call I want.
To say and it's super boring. Boring stuff because I I like

(01:23:51):
the boring stuff. I don't.
Find. Would you say that you're more
in the realm of consulting? Yeah, 100%.
Yeah. This is exactly that right now.
Very cool. Yeah.
I can't tell you how many peopleI've met who struggle with that
side of things. I I don't understand.
Like, I, I, I think it, a lot ofit has to do with especially

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like with smaller, like startupsor mom and pop shops where what
they're, they're not a lot of these people do not run
businesses. They run like a, a job.
Yeah. And so they've they've they've
buried themselves in this shell and like very basically, it's

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not like if they don't, if they get plopped out of there,
doesn't run and it's over and like no healthy business in any
aspect. It works.
Should work that way, right? And.
And. It's like a lot of it has to do
with like the operational side and like getting all that shit
in order and Oh my God, that's very cool.

(01:24:56):
I mean, that's cool that you're doing that.
There's a big need for that. Best of luck on trying to sway
anybody to change their methods.God knows I've I've tried and
it's such a fucking nightmare. They want help, they don't want
to change anything and it's like.
Brother, you have. You have to let go, right?
It's just like it's. A very good summary actually of.

(01:25:19):
Yeah, because, yeah, because they're like, I've been doing it
this way and it's been working and it's cool.
Then why am I here? Right.
Like and it's. And has it been working with you
actually, because you're freaking out right now and, you
know, like you've not been sleeping for the past six months
because of. Right, right, right, right,
right, right, right. And they want to go on vacation,

(01:25:41):
but they want to also work sevendays a week.
It's like, how do you do that? That means you have to stop
working. And, and they're not making any
money and they're just making minimum wage while doing all
that, right? Really.
You you really think it's working like?
Right. And when you when you tell them
that they can work less, make more money, and be happier, they
look at you like you're an insane person.

(01:26:02):
Yeah, or you're. Right, right, right.
Which is even funnier, right? Because people who try to help
other people just don't exist anymore.
It's so funny. Yeah.
Best of luck on that. That sounds like a cool
adventure. Yeah.
Do you guys have a website or anything?

(01:26:24):
You guys are all ready to go. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah.
It's already, it's on my personal website,
jeremyandre.com. That's unusually fantastic, my
first name and last name. So I have my my newsletter where
I where I write about whatever is going on in my brain.
A lot of things that we talk about, I write about.
Very cool. Are you?
Are you still doing the like theIT or not the IT?

(01:26:47):
The tech stuff? The computer.
Science. No, once in a while.
Do you done for that? Good.
Yeah, If someone needs me for like a project, I'm I'm happy to
do it, but I'm not seeking any anything.
It's more like, you know, if something come if someone knock
at my door, I'll take I'll take it.
But that's about it. Are you consulting on that side

(01:27:08):
too, or do you prefer to just walk away from that whole
industry? I only do it with people that I
know and gotcha, stuff like that.
I really. Yeah, but I'm not, I'm not
looking for for anything. I work once in a while with the
company that I was the startup, the French startup that I work

(01:27:30):
for in France and in Miami, likeonce in a while, they need my
help. So I help them out with stuff
like that. Yeah, it's more occasionally.
Right. So in moving forward with this
digital nomad life, you decided to put a lot of that behind you
and start fresh, is that correct?

(01:27:50):
Yeah, No, it was. Yeah.
Yeah. But that's that, You know that
like I said, it's like it's going to sound very cheesy, but
I optimize my decisions based onare they going to make me happy?
I want to. I'm optimizing my life to be
happy and I'm not going to be doing things that I don't want

(01:28:12):
to do if I can avoid it. Right.
I, so I always tell people that you can pay me $1,000,000 to be
somewhere I don't want to be like, because I, I, I, I lead
the way that you'd lead where it's like if I'm not, I mean
pragmatically as well, right? There's some logic that goes
into it. I'm not I'm.
Just going to make. A decision.
But like if, if I really don't want to be somewhere and I'm

(01:28:33):
just really happy, I just won't be there.
If I want to do something, I'm going to do it right if it's
going to make me happy. Because to your point, life,
life really is too short in thatsense.
And there is this sensible looming fog of war that and
there's we can only see like so far in front of us.
And everything else is just guesswork.

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And we don't know when that number gets pulled and it's our
turn. Yeah.
And the, and the truth is that it's interesting because I think
if you, we, we all feel that we have, we all feel invincible in
our mid life. I think we all feel that we have
all the time in the world and, and we're going to be fine.
But it's funny because really, when you talk to older people,

(01:29:16):
they usually tell you, you know,oh, I wish I had lived my life
very differently. Now.
There's not many people that arein the last decade of the life
that say I wish I'd worked more or, you know, most of the times
they're all like, you know, I wish I worked less.

(01:29:37):
I wish I spent more time with myfamily.
I wish I. Tried.
I wish I bought more Ferraris. Yeah, like, whatever.
I wish I had more fun. But you know, there were few
people say like, oh, I wish I did more of this job that I
hated. Like no one did that right when
they were like 85 years old. And yeah, it's just I'm I'm as
much as I can. We see I still have to live in,

(01:29:59):
in the world that has been builtin a certain way, But I will, I
will do everything that I can tolive a life that is like aligned
with, with my values like that, because, because you never know
what's going to happen. I've seen it so many times, like
with my parents or with my wife's parents, You know, like
my father-in-law has always dreamed to go to India and he's

(01:30:23):
not going to be able to go because we had some health
issues three years ago and now he can't travel anymore.
He's never go to India. Like you just never know.
Like he was waiting to be retired to go.
My dad the same. My dad was very looking forward
to be retired to do whatever he wants to do.
And some things happened and youcan't do as much as he wants.

(01:30:45):
And it's like, you know, you, you have worked 40 years of your
life for this moment, for the this final chapter that you were
so excited about and you might just being taken away from you
because of things that you can'tcontrol.
So I might as well leave my lifenow.
Yeah, and I thought I know people like that too.
And sometimes I think that it right and it's going back to,

(01:31:11):
you know, the never leaving the town you were from kind of
mentality. And I think it sometimes that
that carrot is supposed to dangle there forever.
It's like, it's like they're, they're reading a book that they
don't want to finish because then it'll be over.
Yeah. And they don't know that they

(01:31:32):
can pick up another book, right.And and so like.
That book no, but also story to they don't know if they can
write their own book. Well, that right then, well,
that's the most important part, right?
That if you don't tell your story, somebody will tell it for
you. Most people live a life they
don't choose. Most people live a life decided

(01:31:53):
by their environment and the society and and everything else
right? Not actually really conscious,
intentional decisions they made.Yeah, it's a life blueprint that
was hand. It was like something you pick
out of a, a fucking aisle at A at a grocery store like and and

(01:32:13):
yeah, and I think most people are asleep to that, that the the
way that their entire knowing and understanding is actually
like constructed. And it not only was it
constructed and architected by somebody else, it was handed to
them and they didn't even know it because they never questioned
it, right? And so.
That's what I call like living life in Autopilot and you're not
in a driver's seat, just being dreaming through life.

(01:32:36):
Yes, yeah, that's I it sucks, dude, because like I sometimes
wish that I I was that person because life would just like, I
don't know, maybe it would have more magic and more meaning or
something. I mean, it has enough magic and
meaning to me now. It's just that there's there's
this looming question that nevergets answered for me.
And then here you and I are trying to answer a different

(01:32:57):
question, right? And, and so I guess I would ask
you now, like, what do you thinkit actually means to be a man?
I think it's about breaking the narrative that society is

(01:33:22):
telling us. I think it's not about being the
strong one that is expected to you know, the definition of a
man I think has changed throughout the years and and I
think we are finally coming to a, to an age in the society that

(01:33:49):
it's fine to just be a human being rather than being a man.
In a way it's. It's like, like we, we, we
should be living in a world where the couple should decide
if, if the mother of the father who's staying at home when they

(01:34:10):
have a child, it should not matter if your wife makes more
money. Like you should not feel ashamed
because you're not the main provider of the house.
Like we'll keep the share. Like it's not important.
Like stuff like that. Like, I think, you know, like
redefining emotions. I mean, we haven't talked about
emotions, but, you know, the whole like, men don't cry and

(01:34:33):
all this crap. Like same.
I've heard that when I was a child and it took many, many
years of peeling some layers to be OK to show some emotions.
And I'm still walking through it.
But it is OK for men to not be OK.
It's OK for men to cry. It's OK for men to not be manly

(01:34:55):
or stuff like that. Right.
Well, because if, if it wasn't, then God would have God, God in
biology would have built us without those features, right?
And so we're supposed to exercise those features, right?
They're not pointless. They're for a reason, right.
And and he brought up an interesting thing about, you

(01:35:16):
know, just home dynamics, familydynamics.
And I, I would been having this conversation a lot this week,
this past week. And there still seems to be this
thing where it's like the, the, the male has to be the head of
the household and the, the, the mother and in this traditional
looking kind of thing, right? And the mother has to like she,
she can't work or she shouldn't work.

(01:35:39):
Or if she does, then you have tomake more money to her and all
this stuff. I remember talking to a
gentleman about this and I was, I was saying that like, it would
be cool if I ever had a son, that if I got to just stay home
and, and homeschool him and spend time with him and teach
him and be with him and all thisstuff.
And he looked at me like I was adumb person or that like I,

(01:36:00):
there was something feminine about me.
And he's like, and your wife's gonna go work and make money and
all of this. And I said, well, like, well,
why is that the perception? Why isn't that I can make enough
money that she can go work if she wants to and have an
experience? Because working actually has a
meaningful purpose and drive fora human being and it grounds
people and something with society that is outside of the

(01:36:22):
family dynamic. But let's let's put that to the
side, right? Like what, what if I had enough
money or enough drive or will tomake it work?
Why is that not okay? And he's like, well, then you're
just going to be at home and like all of this like
complacency and and it's like, but but like we live in a
culture where at least in the US, where like men complain

(01:36:43):
about the way that education is coming down on their children
and not being, you know, doing its job and educating their
children. It's a great then you as a man
take that, take that baton and go educate your child.
And then there's right. And then it's like, well, that's
a feminine thing. And it's like, what?
How is it feminine that that like a man is teaching a young

(01:37:05):
man how to become a man. How is that feminine?
Right? And So what what confuses me is
a male taking care of their child is viewed as feminine, but
a but a mother taking care of her children and essentially
cucking them into the world doesn't.
Not that that's actually happening, but like, how is that

(01:37:27):
not feminine, right? Like, how is that viewed more
favorably then the male taking care of like their the the
children? And it just, it's a bizarre
thing that like when I brought it up to this gentleman, he
looked at me like, oh, I actually didn't ever actually
thought about that. And it's like, of course you
didn't because someone told you all of this and you just lived

(01:37:48):
it right. And I mean there is.
This whole, like there is this whole, you know, if you believe
in some like spiritual practicesand I'm, I'm probably going to
butcher it, but you know, there is always like a young and a
young like we all have the more masculine energy and feminine
energy. And, and we have some, all of
us, men and women, we all have some masculine energy and

(01:38:12):
feminine energy and some traits and behaviour and attributes
come with both of them. And we all have them equally
pretty much. And it's just about which one we
are picking and which one we areexpressing more.
But we, we, we all have like, I'm, I'm guessing technically
speaking, like the nurturing of a child and everything.

(01:38:34):
It's more like within the realm of feminine energy again, in
this world of lightning and young, black and white, all
that. But it doesn't matter who does
it. Like it's not, it doesn't matter
who provides it. It's it's something that we all
have and and it's just about stereotypes of, of what's quote,

(01:38:56):
UN quote acceptable. To do and.
And how to behave in the world and stuff like that.
But it's just, those are just like societal construct that
hundreds of years ago some people made-up.
And somehow we believe it's the truth.
It's just bullshit decided by a bunch of people that didn't know
anything better than we do. Somehow we believed they were

(01:39:18):
right for some reason. They were.
They were as they were as dumb and as intelligent as we are and
they didn't have a clue and theywere just figuring in life just
like we are. For some reason we are holding
their opinion higher thing but they were just human like.
That 100% I couldn't agree anymore.

(01:39:41):
But I mean, that I think is whatis lost on many people, right?
Is the idea that these people who made these roles up and
constructed the world in a certain fashion and to create a
certain type of order is like they, they were just human and
they did what was best in their mind for the time.

(01:40:03):
And that things constantly change.
And as long as we agree on the fundamental principles then and
write our core values it right. It seems like a lot of the times
we're fighting about you know who's, you know which, which ice
cream should be the best, right?That's a stupid, that's a stupid
ass argument, right? Especially when the decision was

(01:40:25):
made 200 years ago and the life is a very different place to
live in, but we still believe that this thing that was the
study 200 years ago is still theright thing like.
Right, right. I mean, OK, so we didn't talk
about like religion and spirituality very much.
So I just kind of want to ask you, like, how important do you

(01:40:47):
think a belief in a higher powerof God is in a man's life?
So I'm not religious at all, to be honest.
I would say I'm a little bit spiritual, but I don't know,
10%, just a small amount. I would say.
OK. I yeah, I this this is something

(01:41:10):
that was I've always true. I'm very rational.
I'm like, I'm science, you know,like facts, right?
Show me, show me the paper. Show me the equation.
Right. No.
And that's it. I'm glad you brought that up
though, because if it's so, the answer would be not very
important, correct? Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah, No, yeah.
Not. Not very.
So then what keeps you? Something that, yeah.

(01:41:32):
What is your guiding star? What is like, is there something
outside of yourself that's bigger than you that you are
kind of like guided by at all? I don't think so, no.
That sounds weird, but not really.

(01:41:52):
I, I just do what I think is best for me and for the people
that I love, you know, without hurting anyone else.
I try to make my own decision and I don't, I, I, I don't like
to, I don't know, maybe it's like a control thing, but I kind

(01:42:14):
of don't want also to delegate ahuge life decision to a higher
power than I'm going to ask for guidance, at least if I cook it
up. I only have myself to blame in a
way. But yeah, no, I'm, I'm very
rational for that. No.

(01:42:35):
Fair enough. All right.
Or do you hope to be 5 years from now?
What is your goal or your calling do you think from here?
Five years from now, I hope thatI'm still, I hope that my life
is fairly similar to what it is now in a sense that I have a lot

(01:42:59):
of freedom. I'm very happy.
I'm doing things that I want to do because I get to choose what
I do. I hope by then my business is
more sustainable on a financial level so I I can have more
options in my life. My wife is very has a strong

(01:43:23):
desire to have a home base somewhere, not because we want
to settle and and not travel anymore, just because at the
moment we have bags at my parents, at her parents.
And every time I go back to Europe to see people, we have to
stay with people, you know. So having a space that we can go
home when we go back for Christmas and stuff like that
would be nice. It's important for her.

(01:43:45):
So I hope by then that we have it.
But yeah, I hope that I'm still as happy as I am right now.
I hope I'm as free as I am rightnow.
I value my freedom very, very high.
And but yeah, I hope I'm still, I'm still very aligned with my

(01:44:10):
purpose as I am right now because because I think I'm, I'm
on the path that I'm very happy,you know, at the moment.
I hope it stays this way. I hope I don't derail.
Enough. Yeah, fair enough.
In your opinion, Sir, what is the most important contribution
a man can make to before he dies?

(01:44:34):
The big question. Help one person.
Help one person? Yeah.
I think, I mean that's a good start.
I think if everyone, every single human being would help
one personalized ones, I think the world would be a better
place than his. If it's more, it's more, but I

(01:44:54):
think they'll be a good start. I love that.
That's amazing. I like that just help one person
has anything. No, it's so much though.
It's, I think it's more important to have an actionable
step, right, something that is low barrier, but can get done

(01:45:16):
and create a sense of an accomplishment, right?
And it can actually be achieved.And it's, and so when you say do
this, you know, if you want to make your life better then or
other people's lives better, someone can say, I can do that,
right? You don't want them to be like,
well, you know, I have things todo and like if it's like, hey,
just go help somebody today or Ican do that.

(01:45:38):
Be approachable. Yeah, it could be literally
anything, right? And you don't even have to
involve anybody. Like literally just push the
fucking cart, the grocery cart into the corral that's helping
somebody. And you didn't have to ask
anybody for permission. Just do that.
OK. I love that.
Has there was there anything during this interview that I

(01:46:03):
didn't ask you that you wish I did ask you?
I don't think so because you asked me some question, to be
honest, I didn't think you wouldask me and I'm glad you asked
me. You know, like especially the
one you know about how I felt asa man, you know, like going
through this infamous situation.This topic is not talked aloud

(01:46:25):
so much, especially by men, and I think it's important to bring
it up. So I'm very grateful that you
did ask this question and I had the chance to to answer that and
to put this out there. And if there is one person
listening to that that has been something similar and felt
alone, well, was not alone. You know, there's someone else

(01:46:45):
who went through as well. Yeah, there was.
I'm very happy you had this question.
Yeah, I'm, I'm really, thank youso much for for bringing that up
again. I, I'm really trying to
encourage men to, to have more conversations about the harder
things that we don't always havea chance to talk to other men

(01:47:08):
about like, like that. And I think it's important to
kind of demonstrate that when we're doing these interviews.
And it's very organic when I askbecause it's just how I am and
who I am. If we were in the same room
together and you were a completestranger, I would have asked you
even, you know, even if you weren't recording this.
And I'm trying to encourage especially young men to really

(01:47:32):
support each other in that way because it seems to be a place
that really lacks. And it seems to be a place that
if if we can really understand how to support each other's men
in those spaces, then we can actually grow our bonds stronger
and go back to, you know, movingaway from like, the traditional,
like, machismo bullshit and in more into a healthy provider

(01:47:58):
protector image of a man who, you know, is creative and like
the Renaissance man. Right.
Yeah. And who's which is very
dangerous. Right, right, right.
I don't remember the statistic but I remember listening to a
podcast a few months ago, the Diary of Aceo and and he was
saying that in the UK at the moment the population that is

(01:48:25):
the most risk with suicide is young man.
Outright. Everyone in in thing, you know,
So yeah, I think there's there'sa need for that.
There's a need because a lot of people I think feel alone and
feel that they don't belong anywhere or they don't sit in,

(01:48:47):
you know, in a world that we live in because we are
different, even if they not, butthey feel different.
So I think, yeah, having a placewhere we can all belong to and
connect to, that's the beauty ofthe Internet, I think.
Yeah, I'm trying to open the Discord group to to men and see
how that works out. That way if like there is, you

(01:49:09):
know, people who need to talk orpeople who want to network and
and just have resources, just have a conversation and don't
complicate it and and make it super structured.
It's just like there's a place you guys can talk.
Just talk. Don't complicate it.
Any advice or suggestion you cangive a young man who's maybe on,
you know, trying to leave PalletTown.

(01:49:31):
He's just starting on his on hisjourney and maybe something you
wish someone would have told youwhen you were a young man.
Or maybe you know, two young menthat might be struggling.
Any any words of encouragement or wisdom?
Don't listen to other people, just follow your guts and listen
to yourself and do what you want.

(01:49:52):
There you go. Fair enough.
Is there? Can you tell everybody where
they can find your work, your business, your socials like it?
Where? Where can they connect with you
if you have any of that? Sure.
Yeah, everything is centralized on my personal website,
jeremyandre.com. That's JEREN i.e.

(01:50:15):
Andi e.com and you can find my consulting, my newsletter and my
few social media that I don't use so much those days.
And yeah, everything, everythingis in there.
Very awesome. I will make sure that I
subscribe to all of those things.
I will drop all that stuff into the show notes as well.
And thank you so much for being part of the show.

(01:50:38):
Do you have any final thoughts before we wrap up?
No, thank you. Very thank you very much for
creating the space to to have a chat.
It was great. I really enjoyed it and I hope I
hope it was helpful for one person.
Like I said before, that's my goal.
I couldn't agree anymore. Thank you so much Jeremy for
taking your time and sharing your experience, and I wish you

(01:50:58):
all the best to you and your wife on your journey ahead.
Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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