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Your home should be a sanctuary, but what if the air you're breathing is silently making you sick? In this eye-opening episode, Jim and Laura ("the office goddess") dive deep into the invisible threats lurking in your indoor air and provide practical solutions for creating a healthier home environment.

Did you know we spend roughly 90% of our time indoors? That makes the quality of the air we breathe at home critically important. Those mysterious headaches, unexplained fatigue, and respiratory issues might not be stress or aging – they could be direct responses to chemical contaminants from everyday household items. The hosts reveal how those pleasant-smelling air fresheners, scented candles, and cleaning products contain undisclosed chemicals that manufacturers aren't legally required to reveal.

"A clean should not have an odor," Jim emphasizes, challenging our cultural association between artificial fragrances and cleanliness. The conversation takes a fascinating turn when exploring natural alternatives – from the simple joy of baking cinnamon rolls (which both freshens your air and feeds your family) to simmering spices like cinnamon and cloves on the stove. These practical, budget-friendly solutions protect your family while still creating a welcoming atmosphere.

The discussion also addresses how new construction materials "off-gas" chemicals like formaldehyde, particularly dangerous in tightly-sealed modern homes with insufficient ventilation. Jim and Laura share real cases where families experienced serious health issues traced back to their indoor air quality, including a particularly concerning story about a new bed causing seizures in a child due to high formaldehyde levels.

Whether you're dealing with unexplained health issues, planning a new home purchase, or simply want to create the healthiest possible environment for your family, this episode delivers actionable advice on ventilation, humidity control, natural cleaning alternatives, and professional testing options. Your journey to healthier indoor air starts here – because what you can't see can hurt you.

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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey everybody, welcome to the Standing
Powerhouse Podcast.
This is Jim and with me Maura,the office, goddess.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hello everyone.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
All right.
So the other day we taught a CVclass.
What was that CV class about?
Mold.
I can't remember what that CVclass was about.
Mold.
It was about mold Okay so,which makes sense.
But then somebody who's takingthe class and we always have to
ask questions, which is good.
They learn, they may want tofocus on a certain area and the

(01:01):
questions make sense, spoken ona certain area, and their
questions or some exceptionswhen they ask them about
cleaning your air in your houseor how to make it.
I think it generally make itbetter, healthy, healthy air.
So that's what we're going totalk about today Tips that we
have to help make sure your airis clean, because there's a lot
of chemicals that are out andabout and invading everything,

(01:26):
everywhere in our lives.
Yes, so that's what this isgoing to be about, but first
let's listen to this.

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Speaker 2 (02:00):
All right.
So, laura, air quality veryimportant.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I think it's way more important than people actually
realize.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
What is it?
We spend like 90% of our timeindoors nowadays, which makes it
even more important that wemake sure the air quality in the
house is safe and healthy foreverybody.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
It's amazing how much air quality can impact your
health and people don't realize.
You know, if all of a suddenthey start getting headaches or
they start getting dizzy, or youknow they're just really tired,
it could be because of airquality.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well, it used to be.
When people I'll say within thelast, within the last 10 years,
people asked us for testing forair, it was 100%, it was mold.
Maybe allergies popped up everynow and then, but it was almost
always just mold.
But there's man, there's paints, furniture, cleaning products,

(03:02):
there's air fresheners, plug-intype things, there's all kinds
of things that are in thereScented candles Because they
smell good, they're going to behealthy, old bullshit.
Because a lot of people don'trealize that the companies that
make cleaning products, airfresheners, companies that make

(03:27):
cleaning products, air freshers,they do not have to tell you
what chemicals or substancesthey use to give it that odor,
that flavor they don't have totell you that, which is really
sad, because there are somenasty scents out there, like
some of the stuff that makes thelemon scent.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
It's a t-word, that stuff is nasty.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
No, it's not that.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
I can't think of what it's called, but it's got that.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Oh, the terpenes, yeah, the terpenes yeah.
So you have to be careful whatyou use.
It's really and I have a saying, I came up with it a few weeks
ago A clean should not have anodor.
Right, and some Pine trees.
If you go out in the woods andyou have pine trees, you're
going to smell pine trees.
That's clean, that's natural.

(04:12):
That's a clean.
It's some kind of chemical thatthe trees produce, but it's a
natural chemical.
Yeah, it's not something that'sgoing to be deadly to you or
make you sick and get too muchof it.
So it's going to be deadly toyou or make you sick and get too
much of it.
So what do we do to help makecertain that our indoor air
quality is going to be good?

(04:34):
When we went to the house theother day and the new build the
person was sick.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, and they haven't been living in it for
four months, five months at thispoint something like that.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yes, yes, and you, yeah, they're feeling broke
after that.
Your sense of chemicals likethat.
So what are some things thatpeople can do to help make
certain, like I say, makes thehouse smells good, but it's
clean or safe?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Open your windows, Let fresh air in and out that
air exchange.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Ventilation.
You're supposed to have acertain amount of ventilation
outside of the air already.
The air quality is the last 70%of those ages.
It's about the cubic volume ofthe space in your house.
The square footed person sameheight.
About third of that should beexchanged for fresh outside air

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every hour.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
That doesn't happen in your house.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
They build them go really tight likely.
That's why you see more moldissues.
Right where somebody's newerhouse, there's a little leak
going on, there's a moldishbecause there's not enough air
exchange to dry it out.
Right one issue.
So ventilation is veryimportant.
What about air fear?
Fine, what do you think aboutthose at the filters?

Speaker 3 (06:01):
at the filters.
They're not going to pull outVOCs or things like that.
But over-the-counter onesaren't massively good because
they're not going to pull outfrom all the hide.
They're not going to do some ofthat stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Typically not.
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
But for just catching dander and dust and stuff like
that in the air, it's not a badthing.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Maybe get a HEPA filter.
Maybe get a HEPA filter.
I don't know what HEPA standsfor, but I guess it's smaller
yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
What is it down to?
Like 0.03 microns or somethinglike that.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, something like that.
So what do you think aboutthose?
Because there's still some airfresheners that have ozone
generators built into I think alittle bit of ozone.
Thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
No, heck, no heck, no , no or heck, no, heck, no okay.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
So what's wrong with ozone?

Speaker 3 (06:53):
well, if you have mold ozone can actually break
the moon down into smallerparticles which will not ever
get out of your house thenbecause they they're going to be
too small for a HEPA pill orthey're going to be too small
for anything- so if you havemold and someone comes and says
hey, we'll do an ozone generatorkill the mold.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
No, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it Because
it breaks the mold in somesmall particle.
Even a HEPA pill can't get thatcan't catch it.
Yep, but they're still there.
If you're allergic to molds,it'll still screw you up.
Yeah, it'll still screw you up,and it's even harder to get rid
of them.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Okay, good.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
So no to ozone, no to ozone, okay, in addition, ozone
is also not good for humans oranything living to breathe in.
So if you're not doing it right, or if you don't know how to do
things and you try to do ozone,you could actually make the
situation worse and makeyourself sick.
That's absolutely we'veactually gotten calls from

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people that have tried to doozone themselves and realized
that they didn't do it right.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
So there's a we could do a podcast just on ozone, but
there's very specific.
If you're doing a high enoughconcentrations, that you do.
I guess what you wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Like to get rid of the odors and stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
like that, you cannot be in that house, no, in that
area, when that's going on.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Nothing alive can no plants, no animals, no fish can.
New plants, new animals, newfish, new people nothing.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Ozone is three oxygen molecules together and that
will irritate the crap out ofyour lung and kill plants, kill
your animals, the pets that arein the house.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Ozone finds some circumstances but you never have
an air filter that generallymakes ozone for you Not good and
if your house like, let's say,you, you know you had an old pet
or something like that andyou've got a smell that you have
to get out and you're you'relooking to sell ozone, would be

(08:57):
fine for that, you moveeverything out, you get the
house ozone and it does do agood job of taking care of
others, but if you've ever had amold issue, don't use it.
Good in some circumstances, incertain circumstances, and it
should also be done byprofessionals.
You should not do it on yourown.
Because there are differencesand restraints and times, and

(09:20):
it's all this specific formulathing that they know and they
can figure out and laymenshouldn't now cleaning things
vinegar, baking soda like thisplain unscented soap good things
to clean with nothing wrongwith those things.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Now I was getting my hair cut yesterday and the girl
I was talking to who got my hairwas talking about.
I told her what we did, okay,and then she's like it's about
those plug-in type things, howthe bad or the chemicals.
And I told her what are thepylates in there?

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Those are like endocrine disruptors, so they're
not good for hormones, so youmess with hormones.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
So if you're wanting to get pregnant, don't use them
at all.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
So the phylates are more effective in women's
hormones more estrogen, I meanguys have estrogen also, but
women have more estrogen thanguys do, so is it going to be
more effective in women?

Speaker 3 (10:25):
that also, but women have more extra guys too, so is
it going to more affect women?
I think it probably would, justbecause our hormone balance is
so variable yeah, variableprobably good and if you've got
something that's messing with itand it gets out of whack, even
a little bit, it can impact somuch of your life and it's a
little bit easier, I think, forguys.

(10:45):
So, yeah, so they have finally.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Once again, they don't label what the fragrance
is.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
No, to make it smell good do you remember the one
test that we did for the familywhose little girl kept getting
sick?
She had respiratory issues no,this was another one.
This, this was a little girl,constant having respiratory
issues.
Her sister was starting to haveproblems with it.
They were pretty young kids andwe go start downstairs in the

(11:12):
basement, work our way up.
We get upstairs in the hall andwe just looked at each other
Because you could smell the airfresheners plugged in.
I remember they had them inevery freaking outlet in the
hall and in the kids' rooms andI'm like just unplug them.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's scary.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
So we never did hear back, so I'm assuming they
unplugged them and stopped usingthem, things got better.
But yeah, something that simple.
Those plugins made the kidssick, where they were constantly
having respiratory problems andhaving issues.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, those are the full VOCs.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Oh, they're horrible.
Like I can't walk into a roomwithout getting a headache
almost instantly.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
You have trouble walking down that grocery aisle
of the aisle that has all thecleaning products, cleaning and
the air fresheners.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, I have to swerve around that I can't get
around it.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Bacon soda is a good thing to clean with all bacon
soda, that's fine.
Now so I've come up with a girlwho cut my hair.
She was disappointed that shecouldn't use a can.
It's like generally, no, thisis like and that's all.
I'm out for the fragrances.
They don't tell you what's inthe fragrance, what they use to

(12:30):
make that fragrance, and there'sa lot of things inside there.
So then her next question well,what do I do to make the house
of milk?
And my answer was make cinnamonrolls.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
I know what your answer was it was make cinnamon
rolls, cinnamon rolls.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
And she looked at me and was like what'd you say?
It didn't flow with her.
She was thinking make cinnamonrolls, Make a pie, Make a pie,
yes, Because cinnamon.
There's nothing wrong withcinnamon First, you'll get fed,

(13:02):
Awesome.
And the cinnamon smells reallygood and it's not a weird
chemical.
And the candles she liked thecandles.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
I'm like well, candles are paraffin, that's a
petroleum product, unless it'slike beeswax or soy.
Those are better.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, they're better, they're better, they're better.
So I said just make cinnamonrolls.
She was like oh okay, so Idon't know if she's actually
going to do that, but if you'rebaking stuff, you're a good cook
, but if you're a bad cook,you're a bad cook, burn it All
right now.
You put particles in there, okay, and they're going to be little

(13:39):
particles, but they're notparticles of burnt food.
You'll see, yeah, yeah, so youcan do that as well, but if you
have a range of it, you'll getrid of some stuff.
So my main thing to make itsmell good is first, don't use
any chemicals that havefragrances in them or cleaners

(13:59):
that have fragrances in them.
And then take cinnamon.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
I've actually just put cinnamon in a pot of water
and tossed it on the stove andheated it up yeah, that does
smell good.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
You toss in a little bit of orange peel with that.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, some cloves and it smells really nice.
Cloves are also really good tolike um ward off insects and
things like that.
So if you have clothes cookingon the stove and cinnamon, that
would help get rid of insectsokay, we should do a podcast on
insects, so that's that's whatwe call that.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So all right, off gassing, let's switch a little
bit.
So where are all thesechemicals coming in the
household?
That makes people sick,anything they need basically.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
When they do construction on particle doors,
on couches, on mattresses, onany of that, they are using
chemicals to combine things tomake that product.
Using chemicals to combinethings to make that product.
And we've done clearancetesting for formaldehyde for a

(15:11):
little girl who was havingseizures at night brand new bed
really, really, really insanelyhigh formaldehyde.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
And formaldehyde is big in new construction.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Because they actually use formaldehyde in their big
fiberglass insulation.
Somehow it's mixed in with somebinder.
It kind of keeps that, thosefibers, those fibers together,
but they all fall apart.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Right, because there's nothing better to use at
this point.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I guess not.
I guess well, nothing cheaper,cost-effective for them because
the mail finds them.
I'll get some more natural,that does not do it, but
probably more cost effective.
And this one all the equipmentis designed now.
I have part of that binder thatyou or glue, but when you go

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into a house can even go backfrom the other, but when you go
into a house there's that smell,that new house smell.
Yeah, actually listen, if yougo down like 24 lows down the
insulation pile, okay, youalways have that weird smell
there that typically themajority of that is going from
ala, that's off gas.
I believe the majority of thatis going to be formaldehyde,

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that's off-gas.
And when you smell that in ahouse, that's formaldehyde.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
That's time to air out your house.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
The house we tested the other day.
It was built during the winter.
They moved in in December.
They moved in in December, sothey put the drywall well,
insulation drywall in November,october, November, which means
the house was not.
It was not during the normalmonth when the windows were open
or anything.
The insulation got put in.

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The house was already closed upbecause of the weather
temperatures, so it never reallyoutgassed that amount of light.
Where then it would break down?
Right gas that's not alive,yeah.
Where then it will break down?
Right on the clinician newinstallation.
It's like late fall or weatheryou're you're more likely to

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have about high traffic in yourhouse, your time of the house,
and you can have this impact.
So you gotta make sure when youuse it.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
More natural products so you gotta make sure when you
use it.
More natural products hard todo well with mattresses.
They're bamboo, so like you canbuy natural type products like
mattresses, which I woulddefinitely, are they still
spongy?
I don't know that that might beour next one, that's the
build-up, the bathroom store.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Just lay down here we are live on the mattress.
They're like wait, I've gotthem off.
They're listening.
They're wrong podcast here, soyou use more natural.
We can.
Uh, do you see they?
They face out extra the dlc.
They're just chemical thatevaporates easy.

(18:04):
Strategy of seas that are justchemical that evaporate easier.
Greater room temperature youdon't need a boil that will get
them crazy hot, evaporating likegreater temperature.
We enjoy being around.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
They won't evaporate so when we were building our
house we like unrolled all theinsulation and left it sitting
out so that it would kind ofoff-gas a bit yeah it did.
Yeah, so we did that.
We left the house open when wemoved into our house.
It really didn't have that newhouse smell because we had been

(18:34):
continually letting it air out,and so we never had any problems
.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, well, ours was a little easier because we
almost every single window ofthe whole house was underneath
the porch.
You know, up the porch, thebathroom, the porch.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
The two in our bedroom were the only ones that
aren't in the porch.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Correct, so we opened it.
Almost every single window ofthe house was going to get aired
out in the rain, didn't matter,nothing's coming in, so that
was.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
It made it easy for us it made it easier.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Plus we just literally got put in what August
they need to be repointed.
It's literally outpouring whatAugust.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
July, august?
Probably no, maybe a little bitearlier, maybe a little bit
earlier.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
So they have plenty of time to outgas.
We have a lot of ventilation,so that don't help.
So, yeah, there's anythingsynthetic and they can terminate
the outpouring.
If there's anything syntheticin there, you can add a little
bit of propylene.
Anything else you can think of?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
I use vinegar water to mop the floor, clean the
windows.
If I want to put a nice smellin the house, I'll take an
essential oil and I have a mopthat is a steam mop, so I'll put
the essential oil in with thesteam mop to clean and it'll put
off peppermint or whatever.

(19:59):
And I have to be carefulbecause I have cats so I don't
want some of the stuff that'sgoing to make them sick, so I'm
careful what I put in there.
But if you don't, you canpretty much use whatever you
want.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
All right, so this is a motion.
Okay, you get these insane.
Wow, that's what's motion.
Yeah, you gotta be careful theydon't put so much motion.
The air that is the greatenvironment or mold in some of
your I go.
So they avoid the moisture Ican't remember what it is, but

(20:35):
there's.
There's the amount of moistureand humidity that can affect how
much VOCs come out of things aswell.
I think the higher humidity, themore it pulls out the VOCs so
you need to keep your moisturelevel in your house and we have
a humidity level on our phone.

(20:56):
Wow, on the thermostat.
I got it set right on top ofthe thermostat so we know the
humidity level.
So you only want to keep itbelow 60% humidity 40 to 50.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
If you're going to get much lower than that, you're
going to start gettingnosebleeds and it's going to be
too dry.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
This house got down like 20.
That was wintertime, wheneverything was really dry.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
My nose.
Yeah, it was not pleasant.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
We added some humidity in the air.
It's going to help with that,you and your sunnies.
Yep, you're good, so keep.
Keep the house between 30 50percent humidity level.
Below 30, yeah, that means it'stoo dry, but above around 60
percent, I understand that therain or some loads light, so

(21:48):
you'll keep below that.
So yeah, keep things dry, keepthings aired out everybody knows
don't use, don't move anything.
That's still like this yeah,that's a.
That's a huge red flag rightthere and when I say natural,
I'm kind of like weird about it.
I think that's the pregnancy.
Just tell me when you're backfor the third and what science

(22:11):
is referring also against thatone?
Yeah, like ice cream, milkcream, milk cream, sugar and

(22:31):
then vanilla, that's a fourdrink that's all that's for ice.
That's pretty much it anyway Ithink it's about this one keep
your air quality good with thatair ventilation.
With that air ventilation Onthe third every hour, you're
able to escape slowly withsimple practice Natural doors,

(22:53):
windows, practice and access tothe air they're all escape-able.
Maybe you got air extinguished.
You can find a big amount ofpressure from outside and it's
gone.
It's now different.
I think during the summer it'sa little less likely to have air
exchange, like without burningthe plate number, and that's the

(23:14):
best thing, not changingoutside experience.
That's all there.
Exhausting summer probably.
I think we're presenting foresttime for air quality.
With the summer you might beout there doing things, but if

(23:34):
you are in your elderly personyou're not going out.
You're not going out with yourguard.
You're not going out foranything with your friends.
You're not out doing things inFrance, you're trapped in the

(23:58):
house and it's warmer.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
If you've got weird health things going on or just
all of a sudden you're notfeeling right, you've got
headaches or weird stuff goingon, it may be time to look at
your doctor.
Don't just listen to the doctor.
It's not just stress.
You're not just crazy A doctor.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
I talked to a client yesterday their he was a doctor
and he was like we want to testhis life, he won't expose it.
Doctor had no clue.
If he was a doctor, he was likewhat the doctor means?
He wanted to have people likehim.
He won't expose them.
The doctor had no clue.
The doctor really had no clueand that's not the fault of the
doctor.
The school is built to teach.
In fact I was in the staff theother day.

(24:42):
70% of medical schools do notteach nutrition.
That's the foundation of health, really Nutrition.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
That's a huge rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
That's a rabbit hole but if you're concerned you may
have indoor air quality oryou're healthy and you want to
stay healthy give us a call.
We can do indoor air test foryou to find out what's going on
with that house.
I think the best test we do isthe phc test.
God is working for thechemicals and it tells you the

(25:20):
most actively growing in thehouse, so you kind of get both
type tests at once yeah and thenwe can do a formaldehyde test
and look for that formaldehydethat is the most common thing,
you'll see in a house,especially when you build.
When a house gets older it'sless likely to have that, but we

(25:41):
have seen a house a year or twoold still have crazy eye
problems because it did not havethat patient and that person
was really sick yeah, yeahthat's a whole separate.
Yeah, so I think I said for thisone um in your quality.

(26:06):
If you want to be there,ventilation, get, get rid of
your fabric.
If you want to make your airfreshener save the fragrance on
it, you don't know what chemicalthat's going to be in there.
No, take four cinnamon rollsthat smells good.
Or pie, or pie that works.
Razzleberry bread Bread yes,you need natural ingredients, a

(26:28):
little bit of anything, youdon't need a whole lot.
Or pie Razzleberry bread Breadyes, you need natural vinegar, a
little bit of vinegar.
Central oil you don't need awhole lot of vinegar in the
water, just about your mouth andthat's it.
Keep the place fairly dry,below air humidity, below 6%.
13 to 15 degrees is the kind ofspeed, right?
I think the thing is cushion.

(26:48):
Yeah, all right, that's iteverybody.
13, 15 weeks it'll be kind ofspeed, right, I think the thing
is, of course, we did that since.
Yeah, all right, that's iteverybody.
Take care.
Thank you, all right bye-bye.

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