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We investigate a case where a homeowner was feeling ill in specific areas of her home, tracing the problem to hidden moisture issues causing mold growth that had developed since her home purchase two years prior.

• Importance of starting with a full home inspection before specialized testing like mold or VOC tests
• Disconnected downspouts and sump pump discharge pipes causing water to recirculate back against the foundation
• Discovery of rotted wood in kitchen cabinets with corresponding mold spot in garage
• Tracing the moisture source to likely plumbing leaks from upstairs bathroom pipes
• Poor landscaping practices by HOA contributing to negative grading and foundation issues
• Regular home inspections recommended every 2-3 years to catch developing problems
• First-year inspection critical for new construction to identify issues while builder warranty still valid

Get your home inspected regularly – don't wait for symptoms or problems to become severe before taking action.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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(00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello everybody, Welcome to the Standing Out Hot
Podcast.
This is Jim and, of course,Laura who is with me.
The office goddess, Helloeveryone, All right, Raining a
ton lately A ton.
Well, all right.
So in wintertime people stay intheir house and when it's rainy
people stay in their house.
But over the course of livingin a house for a couple months,

(00:54):
a week, two years, you maybenotice changes in the house.
We had a call from a person whohad a home inspection done two
years ago, three years ago 22was when they bought the house,
so about two and a half yearsago.
We'll be pretty close.
We didn't do the inspection,but they called us over to check

(01:16):
things out and we're going todiscuss that.
But first listen to this.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, so they bought the house about two and a half
years ago.
The wife was.
You talked to the wife right Onthe phone.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
No, I talked to the husband.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Okay, so she is feeling.
The wife is feeling sick whenshe comes home from work, like
in the garage and kitchen area.
Yes, so, laura, you talked tothe husband.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
He was scheduling something, trying to figure out
what to do, because they'relooking at VOC testing, mold
testing, and what did yousuggest to start with?

Speaker 4 (02:20):
A full home inspection.
A full home inspection Becausethat way, if anything has
changed in the house, if theroof is leaking, if there's
something going on that you knowlike normal Joe Schmo doesn't
know, he'd be able to tell themand they'd be able to fix it.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, it's also areas of the house where people just
don't really look at like youmentioned, the attic crawl space
corner of the house wherethere's a sump pump.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
How many times have we found sump pumps that were
disconnected or blowing waterback into the house Like huge
amounts?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Pretty often, pretty often.
So we went there and we toldMike listen, you may not need a
mold test, you may not need aBOC testing.
Let's do the whole houseinspections, look for moisture,
see what we can figure out isgoing on.
All right, if we do a mold,just straight up, get there and
do a mold test.
All right, yeah, you got moldin the air.

(03:17):
Where's it coming from?
I don't know where it's comingfrom because we're not doing an
inspection for it.
So there's always, if there's amold concern, mold is a symptom
of moisture, so that needs done.
So we did the home inspection,or I did.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
You talked to the guy Chatted with the hubby.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Kind of analyzed where the issues are, Because
you know a lot about indoor airquality.
So you found some things.
I found some things.
There's definitely a moistureissue at this house.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
So what I found?
Because I started outside.
We have a sequence when we dothe inspections.
I started outside the house.
I found a couple of downspoutsnot connected Right, they had
disconnected where they enteredthat buried drain line.
They were disconnected there,dumping water next to the house.
Fortunately it was not rainingimmediately, was at the house,

(04:09):
okay, but when it's not at thatminute yeah, well then the sump
pumps the discharge pipe when itcomes out to the exterior.
That was not connected, soprobably about half the water
that the sump pump is kickingout is going on the soil right
next to the house and probablycirculating back down from the

(04:32):
sump pump to kick it out againhitting that foundation again
yes, so I took a little video ofthat.
So, if I remember, I'll put thelink to that video.
I put this on youtube.
I put on facebook as well.
I'll to that video.
I put it on YouTube, I put iton Facebook as well.
I'll put that video, a link tothat video, because you can see
all the water is kicking backout.

(04:52):
And just imagine if it wasraining and all the water in
that downspout not all of it,but say half of it comes out.
That's a ton of water in there.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
What is it?
They said that like an inch ofrain gives.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think it's on a 1400 square foot roof.
A half inch of rain is like 600gallons of water and that's
just insane to me.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
So imagine 600 gallons pushing in on your
foundation we have this in.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Is it in our mold class?
We would talk about how muchmoisture comes off the roof.
It might be our mold class.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Mold, or yeah, it's one of them.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
But a gallon of water is like eight and a half pounds
, something like that.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
That was 14.
No, no, no, it's eight.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
It's a little over eight, because we measured it
like years ago.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, so because I remember this, because I weighed
laundry pre and post-dryer andthere was a 12 pounds difference
and that was a gallon and ahalf water that gets dried off
the laundry.
So you imagine that, okay, Isee old houses and the dryer
vent is riled into the basementto bring moisture into the
basement and heat.
I'm like that's bad, that'ssuper bad.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Or that one where the guy had a crawl space and the
vent was put in the crawl spaceand it rotted out the dryer duct
.
The dryer duct was in the crawlspace and it damaged yes you've
got to control moisture.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
You've got to do a maintenance special in your
house every two to three yearsjust to keep up with it.
A lot of the stuff.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
It can change fast it can change.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Now what you find I saw, saw it also, but we took
the moisture meter.
You, I don't know.
Did he show it to you?
No, I found it.
He never saw that it looks verymuch.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
It looks very much in the out, in the open well, he
said it was there when, whenthey did, when they bought the
house.
So I had him pull up the homeinspection report.
It wasn't on.
And he's not sure, because Iwas like well, how much worse
has it gotten?
He's like I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Okay, you need to go to inspection.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
When I checked it with the moisture meter, it was
just that thin layer of wood atthe top that was held together
with the polyurethane.
That was the only reason therest part was rotted.
Everything else was rottedunderneath it.
Yeah, so the weird thing was itwasn't.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
It had moisture it was wet.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
It had moisture, completely different than the
surrounding area On the oppositeside of that wall in the garage
.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
So the garage.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Backed up against the kitchen Backed wall that wall
shared into the kitchen, rightin the cabinets, okay, and
directly across from that areawas a probably two and a half
inch circle of mold in thegarage, in the garage in that
area, and that area too washigher level of moisture than

(07:42):
the surrounding area.
So there's something going on,it is wet, it is probably
growing.
And I told him, like there wasno sink near there, no
refrigerator, no obvious sourcesof water, so we went and looked

(08:02):
upstairs to see what was goingon upstairs and there's pipes
from the master bathroom Sinksand the sinks that would go
straight down through there.
So at this point our best guessis that there's some kind of a
leak or a disconnect rightaround that area that's

(08:22):
impacting that and making it wetand deteriorating.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Down in the basement, right along that same area,
there are a waistline and drainpipes connected, so you have
something that's going on.
Above that area in the kitchen,that kitchen garage wall, you
have the master bathroom, whichyou have, the sinks, the shower,
the toilet.
They all kind of join togetherto one pipe that then goes down.
So somewhere there's a smallhole or a little leak, some kind

(08:49):
of disconnect.
Yeah, it's not like a hugeamount of water.
They would have noticed there'sa flood and everything.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Just a small leak.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
But apparently it wasn't caught during the
inspection or things changed.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
We've seen things change quickly, but in houses
but whatever it was, I think isenough that it's making her sick
which tells us it's the moldwhich tells us that it's
probably a mold, it's a goodindicator so did you do mold
testing at the place?
No, I didn't, and here's whyit's mold.
You don't need to know whatkind of mold?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Darn good chance.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Darn good chance Very good probability, if it looks
like it, it's fuzzy and there'smoisture.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
and it's on a food source?
Yeah, probably, but no matterwhat, there's a moisture issue.
There's a moisture issue.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
So I actually have a contact at a mold remediation
company who does a really goodjob, because they're going to
need somebody to come in and dosome figuring out that we can't
like.
They're going to have to pullthat wall off, they're going to
have to pull that cabinet off inthe kitchen and they need to
have that containment set up sothat she doesn't get any sicker.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, they're going to make small holes, maybe small
holes in that drywall and lookup inside and try figure that
out, because the thermal imagingwhich we don't charge right,
the thermal imaging took there,yeah, it showed some cool spots,
but nothing like really.
Nothing like really stickingout, other than where that wood
is wet in the cabinet so like itwas really screwy.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
So, and at this point we're limited by what we can do
, like we can't just go and tearinto it.
We're not a remediation companywe don't we don't do things
like that.
So I I hooked him up with theremediation company the
remediation company owner and Italked and I gave him the scoop
and send them some pictures andthey're gonna get together and

(10:45):
see what they can figure out.
Now they were thinking oftrying to go through the garage
just so they don't damageanything in the kitchen and
there's less likelihood ofimpacting her breathing that way
.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
To me that's a brilliant idea.
That's a smart way, becauseit's a garage, you keep the
garage door, the vehicle dooropen.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Keep the air flowing.
You know what, if you do thisin the kitchen, you got to rip
out cabinets.
Well, you know what, if you dothis in the kitchen, you've got
to rip out cabinets, and thatsucks.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Go through the other side.
Well, the cabinet was damagedtoo, so they probably need to do
something with that.
But this way they can keep thedoor closed to the kitchen, seal
all that up, keep the otheropen.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
And certainly there's some handyman who can go.
I can just replace the bottomof that.
You don't need to replace thewhole cabinet.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
The outside of cabinet.
The outside the cabinet lookedokay, these are refinishing.
But once again, though, whatdoes that back look like?
Or underneath that cabinet like, if you're looking at the
potential for mold that shouldstill come out, just to clean
all that up, because it's goingto still be there and then it'll
source any other moistureissues.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yep and there was negative grading on the outside
the house because this place isin the HOA and landscape capers
come by every year and throwmore mulch on there, which
eventually just builds up hills,the slope the soil and mulch
back towards the house.
So that was part of themoisture issue, Right?
Landscapers don't seem tounderstand that they look like

(12:06):
dude you're going to mess up thehouse?
Yeah, they don't.
Oh, and this house also hadsome brick veneer and some
decent-sized cracks on it andthat's where they had a lot of
native grade from, I'm going toassume.
Mulch being added every singleyear, which means porous routing

(12:29):
of the water going toward thehouse adds pressure to the
foundation and then thatfoundation settling moving is
what can cause that brick veneerto crack Right.
Plus, that basement wallcouldn't see it.
It has some weird like palingover top, not wood man, like the
foam board paneling or fabric,like you see in offices, like

(12:50):
the environment that has thatstuff up huh which I understand
is insulation is quiet, butanyway, it's really important to
make sure you get your houseinspected every two to three
years.
What does epa say about radon?

Speaker 4 (13:05):
every two years get it.
Get it tested even if you havea mitigation system, because
mitigation systems the fans canwear out.
It's a mechanical, you knowdevice they can wear out.
Um, flows can change, patternscan change.
So always test it and make sureand you know once again, even
if you don't have a mitigationsystem and it was low the first

(13:25):
time you tested it patterns canchange.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah your furniture movement.
Let's do another episode aboutradon, okay, because I we just
picked up one the other day, ohyeah, so we'll talk about that,
but I think that's it for thisone, but yeah get your house
inspected, get your houseinspected every two to three
years.
I understand it was newer,maybe go a little bit longer,
but I would definitely get donethe first year for that warranty

(13:48):
.
Before your first yearwarranties up from the builder
and get the house inspected, andthen every couple of years
after that.
I understand you take a littlebit longer.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Right, that makes sense because it is newer.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
First couple of years you're going to have a lot of
settling in the soil.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
A lot of seasonal changes as it dries out, you're
going to have a lot of thingsthat it's probably better, just
once you're in there, to havesomebody come out every so often
you need to catch things easy.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I found brand new houses, a lot of moisture on the
toilet and eventually thatwould rot out the floor.
Yeah, it needs caught.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
So, anyway, that's it for this one.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Get your home inspected every two to three
years.
And then, if you're a realestate agent, yeah, use this
information to uh, help yourclient, your past clients stay
top of mind with them and, likeI said, I'll try and have that
link to that video in here, it'slike a minute six seconds and
it's pretty short but, that'sall it takes to takes what's

(14:46):
going on and that would havebeen a super easy fix yeah, just
put that up, screw it back inand call it a day, maybe a
little work on the downspout ifit's not reaching a little extra
work for that.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
But still nothing terrible, alright, everybody bye
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