Andor S2 Aftershow (Part 1/4) | S02 Premiere | The Mina-Rau Arc & The Wedding - Star Wars Escape Pod

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Time to abandon ship!

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Oh no!
Here we go!
Can I persuade you to join us for a drink?
It's a tradition.
Here, here.
Jar Jar, homie, my main man, quickly.
Before the separatists attack, get into the escape pod.

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Hey!
This is escape, then we're the pod!
This is escape pod!
Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod,
and our first episode for the Andor After Show Season 2.
And we're going over Episodes 1, 2, and 3,

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which is the first story arc from Andor Season 2,
the Mina Rao wedding story arc.
So we're going to be diving into that with Blake, Dan, Kirk, Shauna, and Darian,
who is joining us over the holocoms, the com links.
And, yeah, we're just going to have a good time breaking that down.
So, you know, full spoilers ahead for everything that is coming your way.

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Just a fair warning there.
Alright!
Let's get into it.
Let's get into it.

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Another happy landing.
Alright, welcome back.

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Welcome back, Blake.
Are you that there, Cassie and Andor?
Yes, I am.
Sorry, man.
I couldn't let it slide.
I didn't know how to respond to that.
Also, welcome back, Kirk.
Hello there.
Hello there.
Joining us from down under.
And welcome back, Dan.
Hello, Dan.

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Hello.
Hello.
And we got Shauna with us.
Hello, Shauna.
Hello there.
Hello.
And we also have Darian joining us on the com link.
So welcome back, Darian.
Through fire and blood.
Through fire and blood, was it?
That's right.
That's right.
Alrighty.
So this is an exciting week because we get to start up our and or after show once more.

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And unlike the first season, this show has like a every week we're going to be getting
three episodes.
So this is only going to last a month.
So we only have so fast.
It's crazy, right?
Oh, so we got three years for this.
Yeah.
I didn't realize it had been that long.
Yeah.
And look, Disney Plus said 2022.
I was like, what?
Yeah.
It's nuts, right?
But yeah, we're going to whip through this pretty fast because I guess that that only

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makes four weeks of the podcast for Andor.
And that is done.
Like done done.
I'd rather than spread it out, I'm honest.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I...
On a marathon, not a sprint.
I don't know about you guys, but I kind of enjoyed the story arc aspect of it because
it just really like completes it every week for me, you know?
And...

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You get the whole thing at once.
Yeah.
And also the way that they're kind of spacing out the show is they're supposed...
Every arc is supposed to represent something that happened in like a year.
Not like a whole year of time, but like it's like, okay, this story arc happened like
four years before Battle of Yavin.
And then the next week's episodes is going to be three years before Battle of Yavin.

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We kind of like, they've picked a few spots through those four years and they've placed
these story arcs kind of accordingly.
Oh, so each arc is going to be a big time jump?
I think that's what they were saying.
From what I read, each three episodes of one year up into the Battle of Yavin.
Like each story arc, okay?
Yeah.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Right.
I guess like, I guess what we're going to see is like a very, I guess a very consistent
bridge to Rogue One.
Right?
Like in that, in that.
Yeah.
But if you're going to have intimate stories, like seeing the bad, bad people couple meet
his mom, I feel like that's, you can jump to a year later.

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Yeah.
So much would change.
Yeah.
I mean, I guess that's why they're, you know, I, I, I, I trust that the, the four stories
that they've picked will, will be placed, you know, in, in the most critical moments that
we need to know about.
Right.
Um, I'm hoping.
Right.
This makes more sense to why they're dropping on three to time though.

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Hmm.
Or else it'd be very confusing with those time jumps.
Yeah.
It's also like, it's also worth noting that a lot of stuff happened in the Star Wars Rebels
animated show.
And, uh, you know, there's a lot of story threads that happened there with people like Saw Gurira
and Mon Mothma.
Right.
And it's like, Cassie never showed up and Cassie never showed up.

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Right.
And so, you know, you kind of have to put the pieces together and go, okay, well, if that
whole animated series takes place over four years, um, then in the same exact time period,
literally like parallel with Andor season two, uh, then, you know, we have to try and make
it work so that Andor fits in with all of that.
And I think it's easiest for them to do that.
If they take a story arc here and kind of plunk it down there, take a story arc here,

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plunk it down there and kind of make it work with the gaps between the animated show and
how they've told that story of these rebel cells coming together at the first battle
of Lothal.
Right.
Was it right again in the end of the season one?
Yeah, it was.
Cause that's when I had to leave the planet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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So, uh, so it makes me wonder if maybe we're going to get references to that in, in the
next story arc.
Um, I'm, I'm kind of jumping ahead there with that, um, speculation, but, um, I don't
know.
Interesting things to think about.
So, uh, yeah.
Think of the cameos.
Think of the cameos.
Zeb.
We're going to get Zeb.
He was in the trailer, wasn't he?
No.
I mean, I don't know.
It's Mando and Grogu.

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All right.
First one.
It's, uh, called one year later directed by Ariel Kleeman, uh, written by Tony Gilroy.
All these episodes are written by Tony Gilroy.
Actually the first three of the, of the series, uh, original release was April 22nd, 2025.
Uh, that goes for the following, uh, two episodes as well.
Uh, and the description reads.

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One year after the Ferox uprising, Cassian impersonates an Imperial test pilot in order
to steal a prototype of the new Imperial ship, the Thai Avenger.
When he attempts delivery on a jungle planet, he is ambushed by a rogue band of squabbling.
Uh, is it gorillas?
Like the military term.
How's that pronounced?

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Yes.
Okay.
All right.
Gorillas.
Sounds so weird.
Squabbling.
Gorillas.
Screeching.
Apes.
Together.
Strong.
That's right.
Hail Caesar.
The Maya pay brigade is what they're called.
Uh, on the agricultural planet, Mina Rao, Bix, Brasso, Wilman, and B2 Emo, uh, fear detection

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by the empire while in the undocumented employment of a local farmer.
On Chandrila, Mon Mothma prepares for her daughter's arranged marriage, but is informed
by Tay Colma that his financial investments have turned sour as a result of their dealings
and implies he is considering selling her out to the empire.
Vel Sartha asks Luthen for information regarding the whereabouts of her partner and fellow rebel

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Sinta Kaz, but he claims to have no knowledge.
Orson Krennic oversees a secret meeting of, uh, Imperial officers, uh, chosen by himself,
uh, about forcibly mining the resources of the planet Gorman due to its heavy concentration
of a rare mineral, an initiative to which Dedra Miro is reluctantly assigned.

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The conflict between the Maya pay insurgents reaches the boiling point and several members
are shot and killed as Cassian is taken hostage.
Uh, so, uh, yeah, that was the first episode, you know, things left on a bit of a cliffhanger
and, and, um, you know, fight broke out in the forest.
So, uh, maybe we'll start with you, Dan.
Uh, what, uh, what did you initial impressions of the episode?

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What'd you think about this one?
I am so happy to be back into Andor.
It's, um, one of my favorite series stars and I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed it.
It's, you know, it's a lot of setup, um, cause you're like getting back to these characters
after the world season one left off.
So you're kind of left like trying to figure out like where everybody is and stuff, but,

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uh, I enjoyed it.
Yeah.
Nice.
All right.
Um, yeah.
Shauna.
Yeah.
I wasn't sure exactly where we were going to end up.
Um, I was somewhat surprised, but I also like had forgotten that, um, the wedding was going
to be taking place soon.
And so it was kind of interesting to see that take place, um, over three episodes.

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Um, and, uh, it was, and then it was cool to see, um, just how into, uh, the rebellion
Andor is now at this point.
Nice.
Um, yeah.
Darian, what about you?
I enjoyed it so far.
I think it's, and it was expecting a slow start, but I was surprised by how much of

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what I was expecting to happen in the season happened in the first three episodes.
Yeah.
Right.
I think, I think a lot of the trailer was filled with like the, this first three episode
footage, you know, I think I kind of like that though.
It leaves the rest of it a lot more mysterious.
You know what I mean?
Yep.
I agree with that.
Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah, Blake, what about you?
What, what did you think about this?
I think there's a lot of good stuff that I did really enjoy.
I am actually pretty big fan of this new TIE fighter.
Thought it was pretty bad-ass and I'm hoping to make a Lego one.
Yeah.
The, uh, the Avenger.
Yeah.
And it got me wondering how it stands compared to the TIE defender, which was the other secret
project.

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Right.
By Thrawn.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What is that during it?
It doesn't follow the Canon TIE Avenger.
It's not that far out.
The armaments are much more powerful, but so the Canon, or I guess it's not really Canada
anymore.
The traditional legends Avenger doesn't have that much firepower, but it has shields.

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It has a hyper drive, all the other accoutrements I put in this.
So they just really racked up the amount of damage that this thing can do.
That's the only real difference that I've noticed so far.
Hmm.
Did this one have shields?
Did you see, or was it just regular TIE plating?
Cause you only see it.
He was bouncing off the Canyon walls all over the place and they were hitting him with

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the TIE advanced.
There's no way he didn't have some kind of shielding.
Yeah.
Good point.
Uh, Kirk, Kirk, what'd you, what'd you think about this intro?
Uh, just echo.
Yeah.
Echoing some, what else someone else said, I think it may have been Dan, but, uh, yeah, I'm
so glad to be, uh, to be back in Andor.
Um, the opening, uh, the opening scene, um, as the TIE was just escaping, uh, had, had

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me, uh, grinning, uh, what do they say?
Um, smiled from cheek to cheek, I guess.
It was great.
I, I really, uh, I really, I really loved it.
Just like the sound design, just as, as like the, the, the TIE or the, the, the room
kind of lit up in a certain way.
You could just tell like, is this a whole other level of, you know, production value that they're
into this, which I'm so glad for.

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Um, and, uh, yeah, the, um, starting off with the, uh, Mon Mothma, um, uh, that massive,
like one shot that they did on Chandrila too.
Um, I, it was really liking, uh, where the story started out and, uh, it made me, uh, maybe
miss this kind of, um, uh, this, uh, it's been like what three years now since season
one.
So yeah, it's a really good start to the, to the season.

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And, uh, I loved the, uh, the opening part and thought the, uh, the squabbling on the,
on the planets where and or, uh, or Cassian arrived at.
I thought the squabbling reminded me of Lord of the flies for some reason.
I don't know.
It was just, uh, it was kind of like that.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.
I was surprised to find out they'd only been there two days cause they look so awful.
Yeah.

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Like I feel like you'd be hungry, but you wouldn't look that disheveled.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We don't know.
I love it.
Go ahead, Kirk.
No, sorry.
Go for it, mate.
You're good.
You don't know what they were living like before those two days, just because they've
run out of food since they've been on their own and stuff.

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Like you saw how, um, Saul Guerrero's troops lived frequently.
They had everything they needed, but they were not living well.
These guys seem like they're more ramshackle than Saul Guerrero.
At least Saul Guerrero is a leader and they've got their pecking order figured out.
These guys clearly do not.
Yep.
That's true.

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It sounds like they just kind of got ditched there.
So their leader kind of bailed or one of the little, one of the leaders died.
The one that Cassian knew.
Yeah.
Uh, did either of you guys play, um, and I'm kind of directing this question at Dan
and, and, uh, Darian, because, uh, they're the, they're the older ones here.
Um, a 1994 game called tie fighter.

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I did not know.
It was released on PC and Mac.
Yeah. Okay. So Dan, you played it.
So that was the first Avenger.
Uh, that was the first appearance of the tie Avenger.
Um, and it was actually in there.
Yeah, it is.
It's, uh, I guess it's one of the playable ships that, um, that you can, you know, play
as in the game, but, uh, so that's, that's kind of cool.

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Um, you know, it's a legend story now, but, uh, I feel like those old, you know, X-Wing
and tie fighter, like they're pretty, uh, uh, well-respected.
Yeah.
I think you can, to this day, like they republish them on steam.
Like you can pick them up and play them.
Um, but, um, yeah, very, very few times has the Avenger like showed, shown up in, in almost,
you know, anything.
Right.
So, uh, it was a welcome sight to see, you know, them introducing it into the cannon

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like this.
And, uh, I, I, as soon as I saw like, oh, we're on signer, I was like, oh, that's awesome.
You know?
Cause like, I feel like it's one of those like places you hear about all the time in Star
Wars stories, like where all these, you know, ships are like manufacturers.
Like, oh, this is like the signer systems, like design.
Right.
Cause we're kind of left thinking, which is all in Corellia.

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Yeah.
Uh, no, it was, so it was cool to see like, uh, you know, planet like, like signer and
like the signer system.
Uh, so that was really neat.
Um, and, uh, Gorman was, um, was referenced of course in this episode as well.
Uh, another like nice little Easter egg because, uh, Gorman was referenced in a Star Wars Rebels
episode called Secret Cargo.

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Uh, it was also referenced in season one of Andor in a few different episodes.
One of them being, uh, an indirect mention in Aldani and the eye.
So in that Aldani arc, they, they mentioned, uh, uh, Gorman in, in there.
So, um, you know, it's kind of neat to see them continuing that story.
I think like, I think some of the things that they set up in season one, as far as like,

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you know, what, what, the way they're going to go, you know, sort of laid the foundation
for.
That's the name of the plan with the German peoples basically.
Yeah.
Well, where all those, uh, spiders are making the silk, right?
Yeah.
So yeah, that's the, where they want the, you know, the element that they need to coat
the lenses of the death star laser.
So, um, yeah, I thought that was kind of cool.

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There's two other Easter eggs.
I noticed.
I'm curious if you spotted them too.
Uh, do tell.
So the password to get open the bay doors, the TIE fighter out for that day was
Kaffreen.
Yeah.
So the ring of Kaffreen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the other one, which I thought was very funny and a little tongue in cheek is when,
uh, Kronik says with the emperor's quest to find unlimited power.

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Yeah.
That one had me laughing pretty hard.
Yeah.
You know, I thought that whole time that the passcode was Kathleen.
I thought it was, I thought that was the reference.
I kind of wish it was now.
That's what I heard.
That's just a self insert.
It was so funny.
Maybe that was just a way of maxing it.
You know?

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Maybe that's it.
Like, it's like, if you mispronounce it, it's going to sound just like that.
That's true.
That's true.
Maybe that was the Easter egg all along.
Maybe that was the direction.
He's like, okay.
And the script is Kaffreen, but can you, can you slide a little L in there just so that
people don't really know?
Like, right.
Yeah.
Just hide a little bit.
Yeah.
So people can interpret it both ways.
Yeah.
I kept it to myself because I wasn't sure if that was actually that.

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I didn't read.
I didn't watch it with subtitles on.
Sorry.
I'm glad we've clarified that.
Yeah.
That's funny.
I might call it that from now on anyway, though.
Yeah.
Well, that's good.
Yeah.
Something about this episode that stuck out to me, you know, cause I really enjoyed this
one, of course, but, um, uh, was what I think somebody, somebody mentioned here that,

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you know, the, uh, was it you, Dan?
I forget the, the, um, uh, you know, the children's book, what's it called?
The Lord of the flies.
If you can, if you, if that is children's book.
Okay.
That was Kirk.
That was great.
Okay.
Yeah.
You mentioned Lord of the flies.
Great.
Like, you know, comparison because that's exactly the kind of thing that I was thinking

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like when, when that was unfolding in front of Cassie and Andor, you know, like this situation
of like, Hey, like so-and-so took off, like who's in charge.
Right.
And it's just like a big squabble of like, you know, it's kind of, it's kind of crazy
because when, when you think about it, a lot of these rebel cells, like they could
have been that way too.
Right.

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Squabbling between each other.
There's somehow all these like, you know, sketchy, you know, sketchy frigging people
came together and they made a government people basically.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
I mean, like, it's amazing that we're watching the story unfold, uh, in a different lens than
the very child friendly star Wars rebels show.
But, uh, you know, it's telling the same story of like how, how these rebel cells kind

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of make this alliance.
Right.
Like, why is it called the alliance?
You know?
Um, yeah, that, I love that.
I love that.
They're showing us now what they told us last season with Saul Guerreras flat out said
separatists, anti-government, blah, blah, blah.
Like he goes to that speech and he's like, all of them are lost.
Now we're seeing that where it's not just the shiny rebellion that we're used to.

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Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Because I think that it also speaks to, sorry, like the, the, like they may have like a unified
thing they're fighting for, but how they get there is different for each one of them and
saw Guerrera in particular is like one of like the extreme versions of like, um, a rebellion
versus what we are.

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We are, we see in like the movies and stuff like that.
Mm-hmm.
And the thing right now is a lot of infighting just because they don't, they're not even
aware of the other cells most of the time.
Right.
Yeah.
Cause like they had that discussion at the beginning where, you know, that he clued in,
he's like, wait a minute, like we're, we're on the same side here.
Right.
Like, like, and then, and then the other guys didn't believe him.

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Yeah, exactly.
Right.
Like, wow.
You know, like, like when you, when you operate on that level of secrecy, it's like, you're,
you know, you're bound to run into a few sketchy situations.
Right.
And, um, yeah.
And everyone's so paranoid because, you know, they're all just on, on the, on the edge of
like, you know, they're, they're, uh, committing treason.

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Right.
Like super, like they could be executed.
They could be shot and killed for whatever they're doing.
And it's like, dang, like, I mean, you know, we can't trust anybody except, except like the
people here.
Right.
And then all of a sudden someone takes off with their ship and abandons them.
It's like, Oh, we can't even trust each other.
You know, like, and now who's in charge.
Oh shoot.
You know, it's like, it's like, it gets worse and worse and worse.
And you know, you start getting this buildup of paranoia.

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So I saw some, um, some criticism online for, for this particular story plot in season
two, how it kicked off with this thing in the woods.
And I was like, you know, maybe that's just the minority out there feeling this way.
Cause I had an issue with this.
So I want to see if it's the same thing.
Okay.
All right.
I forget the details of it, but in short, um, I, I guess there were people out there

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that felt that it wasn't a net, like, it wasn't a very great story to tell, you know,
that it was just like a semi semi waste of time.
And I thought it was actually really great because like, it just kind of gives you the
picture of like, you know, what are all these rebel cells?
You know, how do they operate?
Like who's in charge?
How do they feel?
Like, how do they feel?
Right.
As they're working with other saboteurs, thieves, you know, murderers that are potentially,

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you know, kind of like or whatever.
Yeah.
Like, I mean, saw Guerrero's guys are like, you know, they don't care if they murder innocent
people while they're doing their job.
Right.
They could be, there could be people like that out there.
Right.
Um, you know, it's not everyone's the good guy.
And I think they kind of gave that impression in rogue one when and or kind of has his little
moment with gin, you know, as they all decide, you know what, screw it, but let's go to,

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let's go to scare.
Right.
Um, and, uh, yeah, I mean, this is, this is the, the dirt of that story.
Like this is the terrible things that those people have done that, uh, have, if they've
lived through it, you know, eventually got to where they get in the Alliance.
But, you know, it's like it, it wasn't a clean path to get there.

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No, for sure.
I don't agree with that.
And now that you've actually brought that up, you could already see the dirt and just
the dirt and just the, I guess just the, I'm going to call it sewage that Cassian had
to wade through before we see him in the beginning of rogue one, where he just like
completely heartlessly kills that guy because he just totally just doesn't want to deal
with the problem.
And he doesn't have the time.

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So yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, okay, you're a liability.
You know, if you get captured, you know, it's, it's over for us.
So, you know, for me, um, that, that whole arc was, was just a statement piece to kind
of show like what Cassian's able to do and like, he's able to coerce them and get them
to work against each other in order for him to, uh, in order for him to escape as well.

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So for me, it was just, it was just a much part of what you were saying, Josh, alongside
like, uh, showing, uh, what and or is capable, capable of in terms of like manipulating people,
but also like, you know, motivating people as well.
Um, kind of transforming him from that, you know, um, from the person that's not necessarily
scavenger, but like a lone survivor to like a leader of the rebellion type of person,

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which we saw a bit in the prison arc too.
So I, I really enjoyed this, uh, this, this arc here, which is from that perspective.
Yeah.
I, I did too.
Also.
It, it really justifies why Luthien is so close to the chest with his people compared
to like trying to bring people together.
Totally.
Totally.
Yeah.
Showcases, you know, it's like, why, you know, why, why so-and-so can't not, can't know about

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these people or those group, you know, cause like then it's, then it's, um, then there's
loose ends, right?
Like if somebody, somebody slips up, if someone messes up or gets captured or whatever, you
know, they, at all costs, if, if they get tortured for information, they, they literally
don't have the information that, that the empire would need to put together the pieces
that this is a, a singular body of rebellion, you know?

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Um, and it's not until they eventually formed that alliance that, that, and make their,
their public, you know, coming out of the shadows and making their public recognition
that, uh, until that point comes, you know, this is, this is just going to be one of those
things that, you know, nobody can know what everyone else is doing.
So, you know, we've got to work in secrecy kind of thing.
Um, so yeah, uh, let's, um, anyone else have anything to say on this episode?

(24:32):
We should move on to the next one.
Uh, I should, it ended very abruptly.
It did.
Yeah.
Very cliffhanger, but very good that we had, uh, another one to put it in.
Oh, two things, I guess.
So firstly, the one thing that I, I had to watch it like two or three times before I could
even figure out the basis that was going on.

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Cause I didn't think it was delivered very well when they're trying to, when the rebels
trying to figure out what to do and Cassian is with just the one guard.
And then he kind of missed, I guess what they're talking about a little bit.
And then it cuts to Cassian talking to them and then saying like, Oh, that guy, careful
who you trust, whatever.
And then that's kind of what erupts everything.
I didn't think the lead up to them having the split was very good.

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Really?
I found it quite confusing at first because I don't think they do.
They, they didn't share that guy betraying them.
They're talking to Cassian very, very well.
Did anyone else catch on to that?
Or is that, um, I'm just wondering, is that, is that like a, a larger opinion?

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I don't really follow.
I'm trying to catch.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I didn't really get what you meant to either.
Uh, so it's when Cassian is being held hostage and the one guy is looking after him or guarding
him while the rest of the rebels are trying to decide what to do if they had to force

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him to teach their pilot to fly the tie.
And Cassian is talking to the guard and it's when he's telling him that, Oh, we could just
leave together.
Mm hmm.
And then he says something, the guard says something to Cassian.
That's when he starts to figure out that they know the same people.
Yeah.
He goes and talks to the rest of the rebels.

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And then they're like, how do you like, how do you know that?
Whatever.
Then you should, you said you shouldn't be careful who you trust referring to the guy guarding
him.
Yeah.
That's what I mean.
This whole thing.
I don't think it was portrayed very well.
It's very confusing.
He's trying to, he's trying to stir them up.
Like Andrew was trying to, he's trying to like, you know, he's trying to make something
and a conflict happen between them.

(26:47):
Right.
Cause he realizes he's not getting out of this.
He already saw that there was a conflict there before, because before he talks to
that guard, the guard is looking down at his feet and then up and like, looks like he's
going to rabbit.
Right.
Yeah.
So it, it, he's picked up already that they've already had a fight before he showed up amongst
themselves.

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And they talk about how a couple of people just abandoned the fight and ran away, leaving
other people to die.
So they, that's why they're already at each other's throats.
Right.
Yeah.
So he's like picked up on that and he's just kind of like trying to fuel it a bit.
Okay.
That makes more sense.
I guess maybe I missed the nuance of telling that part.

(27:31):
Well, I got kind of confused on that too.
Now that I think I think about it, it's like, yeah, it was unsure whether he actually was
just trying to confuse them or like make them think that he knew the same person or if he
actually just is like, like, yeah, if he actually knew the person.
Hmm.
Well, if you watch, he's watching how they're moving and what they're doing with their hands

(27:53):
and stuff through that whole episode.
And he's learning about them as they're, as they think that they've got control of the
situation.
They clearly don't.
He's watching more and more and like testing different people at different times.
And then on the second episode, he's like, Hey, you need to get a tarp and collect this
water because who knows how long it's going to be here.
So now he's trying to be the friendly guy because he has seen that trying to pit them

(28:17):
against each other is only going to get everybody killed.
Mm hmm.
Man, that's a whole level of new level of nuance.
I did not pick up on.
That makes more sense.
Sorry.
I deep dive into a lot of this stuff because I love body language and stuff.
And and or really, really pushes the subtext.

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Like you could actually go frame by frame and learn stuff about this, what everybody's
doing in the show.
Man, that's crazy.
All right.
Uh, your second one.
Yeah.
Is that one other thing?
Cause I think it's worth talking about, uh, we're going to get into it more.
I'm sure later, but with, uh, that German inspire plan was Gorn, Gorn.

(29:04):
Uh, yeah.
Uh, the planet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, Gorman.
Gorman.
Thank you.
Uh, I thought it was worth us chatting at least briefly about the fact that we're
kind of seeing the first stage of the empire, like planting their own rebel cell
just to like stage essentially like terrorists.
Right.
Yeah.
So that is probably what's going to happen.

(29:26):
Yeah.
Yeah, totally.
I mean, you know, it's, uh, it's an interesting plot line because of course they would want
to turn public, uh, opinion against these rebels.
Right.
Or just in general rebel activity.
Cause then it'll deter anyone from trying to help them out.
Right.
Uh, even more so.
So, yeah, that was very interesting.
Cause definitely it's something I could see the empire doing, but it's much darker than

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we've ever seen on screen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can see dead was reluctance as well with that whole thing.
Right.
Like she just kind of spits out the plan.
She's like, okay, well, this is what you got to do.
And then she walks away and she's like, she's not happy about the fact that she's there
and she's like, you know, aiding with this thing.
I don't really know.
I mean like, uh, yeah, I mean, I, I like, I guess it's part of the part of the next
episode thing.

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I don't really know why she doesn't want to be part of it.
To be honest.
Um, I know she kind of did talk about why, but sort of, but, um, yeah, I don't know.
Hey, um, speaking of that scene, did anyone else kind of get like hit those bunker vibes
from that whole situation?
Yeah.
I can see that with his kind of all his people together making these manipulative plans.

(30:34):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, they're all like controlling the media in a sense, right?
Like quotations, um, with the, those two guys who basically like control how people see
different things.
Propagandists.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Very much that.
So it's like, it's a very interesting political standpoint to bring up, especially at this time,

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uh, or what the times that we're seeing right now.
So I don't know if that's a on purpose political statement or if that's just them trying to implement
it, because that's just the way that the empire works.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it's very interesting.
Yeah.
Very.
Definitely.
Like false flags and propaganda and stuff.
Yeah.

(31:21):
All right.
Before they even start doing the thing that they have to cover up, they've, they've already
planned out how they're going to deal with it.
Yep.
Exactly.
I don't think I've ever watched a show, let alone star Wars, where they're actually planning
that ahead of time.
Sometimes they re you reveal afterwards, like similar to like, I'm talking in like shows,

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but kind of themed after almost like what Hitler did with, uh, like the burning in Germany
and stuff with the brown shirts.
Hmm.
All righty.
Um, let's, uh, let's start up this second one here.
Uh, okay.
So this one's called a Sagrona Tima.
Uh, it was directed by Ariel, uh, Clemen as well.

(32:04):
Also written by Tony Gilroy came out the same day, April 22nd on the jungle planet.
Cassian is held prisoner while the conflict amongst the Maya pay brigade worsens and the group splits
into two factions at a stalemate on Mita Rao.
Imperial officers arrive to audit all the workers papers as Bix, Brasso and will arrange

(32:26):
to move to a different part of the planet to avoid discovery on Coruscant, Dedra and Cyril
who are now living together as a couple prepare for a social event.
They've put been putting off as the preparations for Lita's wedding conclude.
Mon Mothma discusses the possibility of take home as defection with Luthan.
Luthan who says they should attempt to, uh, a certain Colma's price for keeping silent

(32:52):
about the rebellion.
Uh, Cassian slips away from his captors when they become distracted with a territorial challenge
and flees the planet, uh, which is at the very last few frames revealed to be Yavin 4
in the stolen tie Avenger.
So that was a great Easter egg at the very, very end there.
It's like, Oh man, that's awesome.
You know, direct feed into the, uh, into, you know, where the rebel sets up.

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And I think it was more than an Easter egg just because they also included it in the beginning
of the next episode as a recap.
So I think, yeah, I don't know.
I wonder if those guys will still be there.
It feels important.
I wonder if when the Alliance finally comes, like, Oh man, look at these temples.
Like, you know, let's just set up here.
Let's just set up here.
They just built the whole thing already.
There's like just some hobos in the woods.
Like, well, there's people.
What?

(33:37):
Yeah.
We used to work with you guys.
Also, if you're going to dump people on like some random moon, wouldn't you want to
put them near the buildings?
Yeah.
Just in the middle of the forest.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Weird.
Right.
I don't know.
In the, uh, you, the, those temples are actual temples and they're believed to be like haunted

(33:59):
and have creatures of the dark side floating around them.
That's probably why they're avoiding them.
Yeah.
The, the massage.
Maybe.
What is it?
Messasses.
Messassi temples.
Molasses.
I don't remember, but that's my theory on what's hunting them in this episode.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, I mean, those big creatures.
Like rhino things.

(34:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
They seem pretty dark side to me.
Uh, well, it reminded me of that horned creature from attack of the clones.
The rhino thing.
Right.
From the arena.
Uh, in legends, in legends, uh, the Messassi are, uh, or, um, yeah, Messassi, I think it
is, um, are like these, these red creatures.

(34:42):
Um, they're almost, they almost look like you took, uh, like an ancient Sith species, like
a humanoid Sith, and then just made them a mutated, like ape creature thing.
Like, that's what they look like.
Interesting.
So like, I don't think, unless they change it for Canon, cause I know they did that with
the crate dragon.
Right.
Yeah.
Like they could totally change it and like, make it, make it work and call them the Messassi

(35:05):
and, you know, but I feel like, you know, the Messassi temples were, you know, they were,
it looks like they were made and designed by something a little more intelligent than
just like a rhino beast.
Right.
Yeah.
Uh, but no doubt, you know, there's definitely like some, some pretty, uh, ruthless animals

(35:27):
living in those woods.
No doubt.
Maybe there'll be a horror arc where, where Cassian has to be a ghost hunter in those, in
the temple.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah.
So this episode was pretty interesting.
Um, it was, it was very much the bridge between the episodes, uh, lots of, uh, tension
buildup between the situation on, uh, on, uh, Mita Rao and, uh, of course everything

(35:50):
going on with the wedding.
Uh, but, uh, and or gets away, you know, that whole thing unfolds.
Um, I loved how he knew that there was a blaster in that drawer, you know, in, in the
ship that he was like being held in.
Yeah.
How do you figure that out?
You just kind of assumed it.
Well, he, did he plant that?
That was his blaster.
Yeah.
Cause he, he was there, right?
Like he.
I think that was his.

(36:11):
Yeah.
The only part was, was his buddy's ship, right?
The guy was supposed to meet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, well, his buddy was, is, was gone.
But, um, but I think because he was there three days ago, he said to those guys who,
that's why he knew he was, they were crashed there two days ago.
Cause he said, I was here three days ago.
Right.
Like when.

(36:32):
Could you imagine?
I'm just thinking this now.
Can you imagine you have a meetup?
There's a giant moon.
You meet up in the exact same spot where these people get dumped off at random.
Yeah.
It's crazy coincidence.
Yeah.
There's an entire moon sized planet.
Oh man.
Um, yeah.
And you couldn't go into the Imperial base with that blaster though, because that blaster
is a felony just having it.
Right.

(36:53):
Yeah.
Makes sense.
Yeah.
So, uh, that was cool.
How he kind of, you know, he just pulled his little trick and got out of things.
Right.
Um, so that was neat.
Um, I don't know.
Uh, Dan, what'd you, what'd you like about this episode?
Anything stick out to you?
Um, I thought them doing a little rock, paper, scissors to determine who was going to be the
leader.

(37:14):
It was pretty funny.
It just showed you like how immature these guys were.
Um, and Cassian's just like, Oh man, this, this is who I'm doing with.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then, uh, this is a weird connection, but I thought I was reminded or I felt like that
scene reminded me of, um, in the big bang theory where they do rock, paper, scissors,

(37:35):
Liz and Spock.
Yeah.
That's what I thought they were doing.
It reminded me of that.
Yeah.
That was good.
Totally.
Uh, what's the point of the seconds just to hold the timing.
Do you guys figure that out?
I was trying to figure out why there's four.
Oh, I think they were just trying to set it up.

(37:56):
Like the old fashioned, uh, rapier duels that like you always have a second in case
you're too injured to go on, but nobody's died yet.
I did not bring you the gun and stuff like make sure that everything's honorable and above
board.
The game's called if five hands, right?

(38:19):
I think they called it five hands.
Oh, so I can see four people in case the first one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, by the way, I found the name for that creature in the forest.
Um, it is called the Yavinian, uh, the Yavinian dudar.
All the dudar day.

(38:42):
Yeah.
The dudar is, uh, it's, it's, it's named after its designer Alexander dudar spelled differently.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyways, kind of funny.
I also really liked, like, I like seeing the farming, like, you know, here's a planet
where they have to grow all this wheat, like, you know, cause you have all these people in
the galaxy that you have to feed and stuff.
So it was cool seeing like, the one thing I always liked about Andor is it shows like

(39:06):
the common people, like, you know, it's, it's selling everyday life and you're seeing
this and especially the way they're relating it to undocumented workers and, and you know,
you can get really political with current day stuff with that, but it's like, it's just
neat seeing it in the setting of star Wars.
Yeah.
This is a fun fact about this.
So the fields of Amina Rao were an ancient rye planted specifically for Andor season

(39:31):
two in, uh, Oxfordshire when, you know, where they're filming the, the, the show, uh, for
the scene.
It took a full year to grow this, this particular rye.
And then due to SAG AFRA strikes in 2023, the crop had to be harvested, placed in sheets
of, uh, polystyrene by the greens team, allowing the outdoor location sets to be reconstructed

(39:52):
on Pinewood 007 stage in early 2024.
But it was like, it looked like a stage to me.
Yeah.
But they, they did grow all this stuff like to film.
So originally they meant to fill one location, but they couldn't shoot.
That's too bad.
Cause there's a few scenes.
Oh, they're definitely in the volume.
So I felt like the, the scene at the, like the dinner table where they're all eating together

(40:15):
like that felt like it was like on a stage, but the rest of it, I, I thought it was indistinguishable.
It felt like it was out, out on a, um, on a field.
And that, I mean, that story you just said, that reminds me of how interstellar, how like
they, they also planted those crops.
So it's pretty cool that they're doing that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's neat.
Yeah.
Um, all right.
So, uh, let's see, I don't know.

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Uh, Kirk, what, what, what stuck out to you about this episode?
Um, I think, uh, I think that everyone's pretty much said everything.
I, I honestly, the episodes are kind of blending together for me.
I thought the rock, paper, scissors thing and, and all the escape happened in the, in
the third episode, but obviously my timing's a bit, um, a little bit off.
Um, but, um, one thing I remember, um, when we were looking through the trailer a few weeks

(41:01):
ago, uh, or a month or so ago was that I thought that this wheat farm was going to be on Ferex.
Um, that's what my initial thing was, but it's interesting that, that, you know, that they're
on a different planet, uh, that they're now and they're constantly, uh, escaping that that's
right.
Ferex, is it?
Uh, sorry, the, like Mina Rao?

(41:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like the, um, the, the wheat farm and everything like that, that's not on the planet of Ferex,
is it?
No.
Yeah, no, it's, it's called Mina Rao.
Yeah, Mina Rao.
Right.
So yeah, I remember just like, uh, I was speculating that this whole scene was happening
on Ferex, but, uh, it's clear that these characters are constantly moving and, uh, yeah,

(41:43):
the undocumented stuff I thought was also, uh, it's, it's, it's really cool how they're
expanding, like what the empire is capable of and what they're trying to do.
And I can imagine all of these prisoners that they're taking probably just go to facilities
like, uh, oh no, Nakina five.
Is that the other prison?
Yeah.
I feel like, uh, they're all, uh, all going towards things like that.

(42:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, I think I'm thinking about the next episode.
Uh, but did we, we got, we got more of like the, uh, the wedding plot, um, in this,
in this episode and, uh, you know, the tension and the buildup there.
Uh, who is, um, the Luthan's, uh, partner?

(42:25):
Um, the, uh, the girl, I always forget her name.
Anyways, there were, there were, uh, was it, was it this episode that they made contact
with Andor on the ship or is that the next one?
Yeah.
That's the next one.
Okay.
Clear.
Oh, right, right, right.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Okay.

(42:46):
All right, cool.
Well, uh, yeah, this one kind of whizzed by cause it was also the shorter one of the
three.
Um, so yeah.
Okay.
Let's get into the next one.
So the, uh, this episode where we, it was revealed that, um, Tay, um, the, the contact
funding, a lot of more months has been wanted to pull out as well.
Oh yes.
It wasn't that.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(43:07):
That was a pretty big moment.
Yeah.
His investments were attacked by rebels, right?
Well, no, it was like, so because of the rebel activity, yeah, because of the rebel
activity, it was something about how his investments have tanked.
That's what it was.
Yeah.
And so he is like, he's like doing work.
He, he suspects that he's doing work for him on Mothma to fund the rebel.

(43:29):
The, this, but he doesn't know.
No, he doesn't know.
No.
So cause she calls it the, the, the, like, what is it called?
Um, the foundation or, you know, some foundation.
Yeah.
So she uses some sort of generic term, but I think he kind of suspects what she's up to.
Right.
So everyone made out on the field, except for me, it seems.

(43:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think he's caught onto it.
Right.
And so that, what, what he's saying is like, Hey, listen, like, you know, what I'm helping
you do here is tanking my, my entire business, you know, like, like what I do for a living.
And the reason what I'm able to do for you is kind of like being chopped down due to your

(44:15):
activities because, and which is being funded by, you know, my work for you.
Right.
Kind of this like weird cycle of like, this isn't working kind of thing.
Right.
So I think that's why he's a little choked and, uh, not just that, uh, I got a subtext
there, but also everyone thinks that Mon Mothma and Tay are sleeping together.

(44:40):
So that's why his wife left him.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
He's lost everything because he's been trying to help her.
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh, and, and I think while we're on this, that topic, actually, I should throw in, uh, a few
of us have been reading the reign of the empire mask of fear novel, and there's a lot of extra
context added into the marriage between Mon Mothma and Perrin.

(45:02):
And, um, it's worth noting, like, you know, their prearranged marriage, like they got married
when they were like 15 or 14 or something like that.
Darian.
Yeah.
I think it was 13 or 14, the same as her daughter's getting married here.
Yeah.
So it was like super young.
Like they, they've gone through the book makes an effort to kind of paint this picture

(45:23):
that they've gone through seasons, you know, where they don't even talk to each other.
And like some, some moments in their lives, like they're really, really close friends.
And then they, you know, they kind of, they're kind of on and off again.
So when Perrin makes that little comment about take home, uh, it's, it kind of comes off
as like a bit of a cruel joke, you know, when, when he sort of snapped, you know, cracks a

(45:45):
joke at like her, you know, getting with tape.
Right.
Um, it's because he and her, I think have this kind of sort of, uh, open relationship in
a way where.
Is that in the books?
Are you speculating?
I'm speculating on that part, but it, and I believe he has maybe taken partners before.

(46:07):
Am I, am I maybe interpreting that correctly, Darian?
No, I got a bit of that out of the, both the TV show and the book is that they never overtly
said it, but the idea is don't ask, don't tell.
Yeah.
Um, but the book has definitely changed my entire opinion on Perrin.
Like I thought he was a very jilted child lover sort of thing in the original season,

(46:33):
but having read the book, it's like, no, this guy tried to play ball for a long time and he
was just kind of cut down all the time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he, and he, cause he sort of plays the role that he's supposed to play in her life.
You know, like he plays the role of this, uh, Senator's husband and, and he's there as
a show as like a, a shoulder to lean on for her in certain social dynamics, um, and certain

(46:59):
social situations.
So, um, that's kind of his use, I guess.
Right.
Like professionally.
And, uh, yeah, but like marital wise, like they've never had like a normal close marriage.
Right.
So I think like if anyone was confused by the, what kind of transpired there, like the, you

(47:21):
know, it's, it's because it's not particularly like normal.
Cause it's an arranged marriage and their upper class, which makes everything more complicated.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And on top of that, they have other complexity, you know, complex things happening that, that
are just kind of between them and like, they have this weird open thing and like, don't
ask, don't tell, kind of like Darian said.

(47:42):
Right.
So, um, so yeah, there's, there's other stuff going on.
So yeah, if anyone thought that was weird about like, Oh, like why is her husband making
a joke about Tay?
You know, it's because that's probably like a semi normal thing for like him to go off and
do.
So it didn't look like it bothered him at all.
But I definitely felt like he was more likable this season than the first season.

(48:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Was it the speech maybe character?
Was it the speech?
Cause he had a nice speech.
It just seemed more like brutal though.
Yeah.
That speech went against everything that Mon Mock was trying to do in the series.
Like it seemed like he designed it to, to be like, Oh, just do whatever and be happy

(48:26):
and enjoy it.
Cause life's going to be shit.
So strap yourself in and fill up your cup.
Whereas she's trying to do exactly the opposite.
It's like, Hey, this is going to make lives a lot more difficult, but it's in the end,
it's going to make the galaxy a lot better.
I kind of, I kind of perceived it as well with like this genuine, like he really cares

(48:47):
about his daughter.
Right?
Like there was definitely some of that in there too.
Uh, so I thought that it, to me, like it kind of lifted up my perception of him as a character
as well as like, Oh, okay.
You know, like he actually does like, you know, he, it's not like he doesn't care about
this wedding.
Right?
Like he's actually like, Oh, cool.
Like invested.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(49:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, okay.
Did anyone have anything else?
Two Easter eggs.
Yeah.
Oh, you go ahead.
Darian.
Well, we'll end with Blake.
They start with that.
Uh, the Imperial officer corners.
The, I forgot her name.
Uh, the, the lady with Brasso that came from barracks.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
It's, um, she even quarters her and he's kind of like trying to woo her and everything,

(49:33):
but there's like a predatory sort of power dynamic there.
And she, she's like kind of pointed brass.
And I'm like, that's my husband.
He's coming back.
And like, you know, this is not okay.
Sort of thing.
And he's, he kind of ignores that until Brasso gets right there and you can see how uncomfortable
he gets.
Right.
It's like, that was great foreshadowing for what happens in the next episode.

(49:56):
And that the empire truly abuses that every opportunity, all the power they have at their
ability.
Totally.
Yeah.
All right, Blake.
Yeah.
What was your thing?
Well, one of them, I think it might've been wrong about.
So I'll, I'll drop that one first.
So, uh, I believe it's Luthans, the girl he works with, uh, who does all the, um, management

(50:21):
of signals and stuff.
I thought she referenced being in contact with bigs, but I guess it's probably Bix.
Now that you've mentioned that.
Yeah.
Oh, cool.
Bigs.
My bad.
Anyway, the second one was, uh, when she's actually in Luthans office, the camera goes really
close to a Kaldorian mask, which I thought was cool.
Oh, yeah.

(50:42):
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Actually.
Okay.
So while we're on that topic as well, with like more Easter eggs and Luthan shop, uh,
I think that was Padme's headpiece from, uh, yeah.
Attack the clones.
Yeah.
Cool stuff in there.
Yeah.
There's like so many things.
That's like, if I won the lottery, that's how I would picture my place.
You weren't telling one, but there will be signs.

(51:08):
Yeah.
Right.
You guys want to come over?
Oh man.
Okay.
Uh, all right.
Let's move on to the final episode here.
It's called harvest.
Um, this was also directed by, uh, Ariel Kleeman written by Tony Gilroy released April 22nd.
Cassian makes contact with Clea, uh, Marky and is able to, uh, to a certain the danger.

(51:34):
His friends are in on Mina route.
Dedra and Cyril host Cyril's mother, Edie for dinner, uh, during which Edie, uh, repeatedly
belittles Cyril, uh, prompting Dedra to forcibly establish limitations on his mother.
On Chandrila, Leta is married to Stechen Scaldin, uh, as arranged, and the ceremony is followed

(51:57):
by a reception.
As the Ferex, uh, expats, uh, prepare to leave Mina Rao, Imperial officer Lieutenant Kroll
attempts to rape Bix, but she kills him after a bloody altercation.
As the conflict spirals further, Brasso is killed by a stormtrooper, but Cassian arrives
in the TIE Avenger and kills the Imperial troops.

(52:20):
Uh, Cassian, Bix, and will flee in on the TIE Avenger.
Having been unable to come up with a price to ensure Tate Colma's silence, Luthan implies
to Mon Mothma he has to, uh, that he has decided, uh, to have him killed.
Um, Mothma sorrowfully drinks and dances while Vel watches Colma get taken away by Sinta.

(52:42):
Uh, so this was a really intense episode and, um, you know, kind of nuts.
Uh, because of course, you know, uh, okay, let's start with the Dedra, Dedra serial stuff.
I thought, I thought this, this whole story was like just kind of fun.
Like very stressful.
Dedra, Dedra meeting Cyril's mom.
Uh, until she kind of like put down the hammer.

(53:04):
The whole, it was just so awkward and like uncomfortable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I liked it a lot though.
Cause I'm like, okay, first off, this whole thing is like super awkward.
Right.
But then like, secondly, it's like, like this is like an Imperial officer, like meeting,
meeting like somebody's mom.
And she's just so demeaning.
And she's such a horrible woman.
And he can't do a lot.
And so he just looks like, so pathetic.

(53:27):
Yeah, exactly.
When you, you weren't quite sure if, if whether Dedra really loved him or not until that moment
when she just like dresses down her mother-in-law, like her, his mom, you know, it's like,
didn't you like, okay, she's really into him and she's standing up for her man.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
So true.
Well, I don't even know.

(53:49):
No, it's just so awkward.
I don't even know.
See it.
Sorry.
See what John?
Oh no.
I just think that they're watching their, watching their relationship.
It's just so funny.
Cause it's just so awkward.
But then you guess like, like, like, like they're saying like, it's, they, it does show
that show that they actually do care for each other very, very much.
Yeah.
I loved it.

(54:10):
This is my favorite part of the episode.
I don't know why.
Yeah.
Especially when, especially when Dedra like puts her in a place.
I'll just say, I've seen so many memes where it's just like that photo of Cyril,
like lying in the bed.
It's just like me waiting to watch the edge of the cinema.
Yeah.
It's so good.
It's so good.
And, uh, yeah, it was just, uh, I think it really kind of, it sums up like, uh, like

(54:33):
Cyril coming home throughout the, which is like ages ago now after the whole Ferex incident
and all that.
And, um, and, and yeah, I thought, I thought it was great.
It was really, uh, I'm really keen to see where their story goes over the next few episodes.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
What was that you were saying before, Darren?
I don't see that they actually do love each other because like, if you look at the apartment

(54:55):
and everything, everything is so cold and they try and have this like perfect appearance
and they're still awkward, even when it's just the two of them.
Like when he brings home the groceries and everything, they, they pause and look at each
other.
Like they haven't got into this yet.
They haven't created anything for each other.
Um, I kind of saw that more as she was asserting her power over somebody that is a great tool

(55:20):
in her life.
It seems more like a marriage of convenience than a marriage of passion.
Like they're both are getting things out of the marriage.
Yeah, I think it's more of a, uh, it's, it's definitely more, it's an interesting relationship
is the way to put it.
Yeah.
I think we'll say a bit more of that in their apartment later, later in the season for sure.

(55:42):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what I'm hoping.
And apparently the bed scene thing with him just goofing around, like he was just like
flopped himself down on the bed and the camera guy thought it was funny.
So that wasn't actually planned.
That's very funny.
Sometimes the best things are the ones that they just make up on the spot.
Right?
Yeah.

(56:03):
Yeah.
No, it's, it's good acting.
I feel like Cyril's the kind of person though, that he has been just completely, um,
I don't know.
I mean, you know, like he's, you know, just been so uptight and high strung, just been
neutered by his mom.
Right.
Like just like, just like his manhood has been like verbally stripped away from him his whole

(56:25):
life.
Right.
And I feel like, you know, Deidre is just like, Deidre is the man, you know what I mean?
Like, like Deidre is just like such a, he talks back to her like a child, but he also
acts like he has no power.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And Deidre has all the power in the world.
You know, she's the one that's normally like, okay, let's go.
Right.
So like, you know, she's the one that has to stand up for Cyril.

(56:47):
And I just thought that was like, just such a, such a, a, a well-written sequence of events,
you know?
Um, yeah, I liked it a lot.
I never thought I'd see that in Star Wars, you know what I mean?
Like, yeah.
So I think I had a good time watching that.
Um, I think there's a lot of firsts in this show that we're going to say that we haven't
seen before in Star Wars, not in terms of scenes, but just thematics.

(57:09):
And, uh, and I think we'll get to some certain, some certain things very shortly.
Oh man.
Exactly.
Yeah, for sure.
Uh, so we saw the wedding ceremony take place.
That was very interesting.
And, uh, you know, followed by a very tense reception of, um, you know, Mon Mothman, all
that kind of stuff.
Um, I do want to talk about the statue that, uh, what's it called?

(57:32):
Who's his name?
Scalden, uh, gifts, uh, Lita and, uh, and, uh, his son, because, uh, there was a little
verbal reference to the, um, Rakatan, is it Rakatan?
Rakatan Empire from, uh, we were just reading.
I think it's Rakatan.
Volume one of Dawn of the Jedi, like the earliest, earliest Star Wars legend stories
that take place in that old timeline.

(57:54):
And, uh, this was the, you know, they're a big part of that story, right?
So they originally, well, that came out, uh, to help fill in the blanks, but they were
created as, I guess, like the first empire that took over the entire galaxy.
They were, they weren't Sith, but they were very dark side.
Yeah.
And they were like alien creatures.
Yeah.
Like it was a point where everyone would have been very primitive and they just came in

(58:17):
and just took over everything.
Yeah.
So, um, they built a lot of, uh, what then grew into what we see now after they collapsed,
but that came out of, uh, the bad guy that they needed for the historical figure in the
Kotor games.
Yeah.
Cause they're the ones that built the Star Forge, right?
That's right.
Yeah.
And they used, that's what they made to create everything they needed to take over the galaxy.

(58:40):
Yeah.
So, uh, they didn't build the Star Forge.
Uh, the, the creators built the Star Forge, the engineers, sorry, but they, they had the
Star Forge for a long time.
I don't know.
Interesting.
So there's even another older civilization.
Yeah.
They, they weren't the original civilization.
Like they were trying to get ahold of the space gates because they didn't have to travel

(59:04):
on the, uh, on the Wikipedia page though.
It says it was constructed by the Rakata and infinite empire.
Oh, okay.
I'm wrong.
I'm sorry.
That's all right.
Um, there was something to what you're talking about.
Those early on in the comics.
But they're, they're known as the builders.
The Rakata were also known as the builders.
So, uh, so you're not wrong there, but, um, okay.
But they're, they're the same.

(59:25):
I've read somewhere else.
The degree were part of the builders.
Hmm.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
No, it sounds like they're the same people.
Um, but, uh, I thought that was a cool little reference, you know, it's like, this
is a thing that happened like a long, long time ago.
And, uh, you know, it's one of however many there are.
And it's like, so clearly this got some insane value, you know, like this is a ancient, very

(59:48):
old.
Yeah.
So it just gives you the, uh, um, the impression of just how wealthy Scaldin really is.
Right.
Like, you know, this dude is insanely rich.
Um, yeah.
Anyway.
Uh, it was returned to their home planet like a hundred thousand years later.
Yeah.
Like, like, yeah, whatever it ends up being like 25 or however.

(01:00:11):
Yeah.
It's a long time.
It's pretty good shape.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Crazy.
Right.
Um, okay.
Heavy stuff with Bix.
Um, honestly, like it was, uh, you know, I, I was like, wow, another big first for Star
Wars there.
Um, but, uh, it unfolded so well, like, just like I was so, I was on the edge of my seat

(01:00:32):
the whole time.
I was like, this is such great, like great story, you know, like just like, uh, you know,
like putting this character through more, um, you know, trauma, you know, a character who
has just been dealing with all the trauma, can't catch a break.
I mean, like, man, like what, like it just keeps you on this high of like, oh my goodness.

(01:00:53):
Like it's just constantly like the next thing.
And then Brasso dying and say like, yeah, an hour later, her like best friend.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like I just, like, I can't get like, it just makes me really curious for like how, how her
character is going to be in the next story arc a year later.
Right.
Probably more broken.
Maybe on death sticks.
I don't know.
Right.

(01:01:14):
Right.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
And she's doesn't, she doesn't show up in row one.
And she seems to have a bit of a small romantic thing going on with Andor.
So, um, you know, like something's gotta happen to her, but, uh, how'd you guys feel
about having a, I think, uh, sorry, maybe you finish what you're saying before we jump
to the next section here.

(01:01:35):
No, no.
I think what I was going to say was exactly, it was leading off what you're saying there,
Blake.
I was going to say, just, I wonder how we're all feeling about just having something that
dark in star Wars, uh, referring to the rape scene or what could have become a rape scene.
Yeah, exactly.
Thank you.
Cause like, I feel like sex in itself, isn't even really a thing in star Wars.

(01:02:00):
We've kind of had it before, like it's, it's definitely pushing closer to it than we've
had before.
But look at Java with his slaves and everything.
It's like, you're, you're not saying that that's sexualizing lemon in a certain way.
Like there've been like very alluded to prostitution throughout star Wars.

(01:02:23):
I don't think that's true, but I feel like it's been pretty like a PG take on it until
yeah.
Like it always suggestive never like, Oh, that almost happened.
Yeah.
And even outwardly said, like he was going to rape me.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(01:02:44):
Like the, the, the, the word was used, you know, like, yeah, I think people are more bothered
by like the word being used itself rather than like just the, the, the fight that was going
on beforehand.
But I also think like the purpose of this is just to really like very early on in this season
to, to set up the, set up the, the writers are setting up the idea that like, this is not
a kid's show.
Like this, this is, this is the time we're setting and this is what we're doing.

(01:03:08):
That's at least how I'm interpreting it.
That's the main reason that they, they, they put that in there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it's not, I also like the, the first season in, in and or like the opening, like
the opening scene, like Cassian goes into a, like what I think was like a prostitution
center or something.

(01:03:29):
So it's not like, yeah.
Yeah.
Like, so it's not like it's a, it's, it's the first time for this show either.
Like they've definitely gone.
Uh, they did.
They've definitely intended on, on, on that for a reason, you know?
Yeah.
But it also wasn't outwardly said what it was.
It was just like heavily implied.
Okay.
But what I was thinking was more like return of the Jedi when they capture Leah and they're

(01:03:52):
literally shoving her onto Java as he's licking his lips and whatnot.
Like they, they've come really, really close before.
Yeah.
And they just read so differently.
Yeah.
To me, to me, that was like, I don't know.
I've never, I've never read.
I mean, it's disgusting, but like, I've never read that much into that particular event

(01:04:15):
because, um, just, it's just less harsh.
Like this particular situation.
Um, so I, okay.
I'm looking at an article from the Hollywood reporter and, uh, there's a fan account that
somebody they've quoted from somebody saying, so this is the quote.
All right.
And or dared to go to the darkest places Star Wars could offer an Imperial officer abusing

(01:04:37):
his untouchable status to rape an undocumented migrant, uh, while his troops are rounding
up other undocumented citizens.
Uh, this is the real world seeping into Star Wars storytelling.
This is the world we live in reflected in the galaxy far, far away.
This is Star Wars at its most political and most potent.
It's most frightening.

(01:04:58):
And I must commend the writing team's bravery to not shy away from such topics to depict
fascist regimes as they are, uh, speak the word rape directly into the camera, uh, show
just how despicable fascists really are and or is as brilliant as it is terrifying.
That was the, that was what it says here.
And I was like, yeah, it's definitely on another level than like the Leia Jabba thing.

(01:05:20):
Like it's like, you know, a couple of levels above, you know, they've dialed that too much
more adult.
Yeah.
And it ended up for sure.
So like, it's, um, you know, it was just, yeah, it was, it felt like probably more in
like Game of Thrones than it would in Star Wars, in my opinion.
Yeah.
You know, and you know, I hate to say it, but like Game of Thrones probably would have gone
the extra mile.
Probably.

(01:05:41):
Um, which, which, you know, I feel like Star Wars being a hopeful story.
Like you don't want to see that happen.
Right.
Like, and, and of course she's like the fighter and gets out of it, but it's like the scare
that really kind of makes you think it's like, Oh yeah.
What could happen?
Like potentiality.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it just also shows how cruel the world is.

(01:06:04):
And I think that's another thing that like the, that the Andor series has been kind of
trying to show us.
Mm hmm.
Even just like in the last couple of seconds.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You do have people out there that think, Oh, the empire was right.
Like, you know, the empire wasn't so bad.
Like maybe, you know, they're just trying to bring control to the universe, but like

(01:06:26):
they were just misunderstood, but this shows you like, no, they were kind of bad.
Or at least some of them were bad.
Yeah.
I think the worst take I saw was someone going on like this taints the, the, the view
of the empire.
This makes them look bad.
Like that's the point.
Not a planet destroying.
Yeah.
I don't hear you talking about Kirk.
You can say his name.

(01:06:49):
I, I, there's, I, I saw many of these opinions online, you know, one, one from a very, uh,
popular, uh, reviewer, I guess you could score.
But like, yeah, I'm just like, uh, there's a, there's a, there's a reason the empire was
in power for 25 years.
And then the Republic before that was in power for like, you know, thousands of years.
So like they're not supposed to be the good guys.

(01:07:12):
Yeah.
For sure.
And this is kind of broadening in a little bit, but I felt like just the take on, uh, blanking
the name, but this, on this, like, uh, farming planet and seeing the empire there.
Mineral.
Mineral.
I feel like this is the most Nazi like we've ever seen the empire.
Yeah.
Cause they're just there.
Oh, definitely.

(01:07:33):
Yeah.
And just like abusing everything.
Yeah.
And I heard this, uh, the scene, um, where they're going around the transport reminds
me of, um, inglorious bastards.
Like at the start of the, um, yeah, uh, it really reminds me of that.
Yeah, exactly.
That's exactly what I felt like too.
Totally.
Uh, and they dropped the word visa in this.
Right.
And I was like, man, like, I, I guess, I guess I've never really thought about that.

(01:07:55):
That's the thing in Star Wars, at least in the games, you need like certain visas to
like get to planets and stuff.
Oh, and like KOTOR?
Yeah.
KOTOR 2 specifically.
Okay.
I like how they leaned into that a bit more.
Cause like, you know, I feel like a lot of other Star Wars stories, you only hear like,
okay, chain code, chain code, chain code.
Right.
Like you never hear or documents.
You never hear the word visa.
Right.

(01:08:16):
So like, it just kind of made it feel a bit more relatable to, you know, just our world.
Right.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Please.
Yeah.
Let's see your view.
Identification.
Uh, we had a Brasso get killed by stormtrooper of all people.
Uh, what a way to go.
Cause that was a long shot, dude.

(01:08:37):
Like that's impressive.
Um, stormtrooper actually hit something, somebody.
He took a long time to aim though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, sad though.
Cause, but again, it was again with this, like, wow, like right out of the gate, you
know, like first arc of the season.
Boom.
We lose Brasso.
It's like.
Yeah.
Imperial stormtroopers are so precise.

(01:08:59):
Yeah.
Because that one guy had to go visit his girlfriend.
Someone needs to see.
And he not left.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know.
Right.
Like I, I, I, somebody has to super cut the Obi-Wan quote of like, you know, only stormtroopers
are so precise and then just make all the awesome, like, you know, super cut all the
awesome moments where stormtroopers hit stuff.
Right.

(01:09:20):
Like.
Yeah.
For better if they do that and then super cut to them just missing everything.
The scout trooper scene from Mando.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So good.
Uh, yeah.
Uh, very sorrowful ending with, um, you know, potential death for take home.
I guess we'll see what happens with that.

(01:09:41):
Uh, or maybe we won't, maybe, maybe the time jump is going to happen.
He's just going to be dead.
Right.
Like, you know, we, it's kind of implied as to what would have happened next.
Yeah.
I have to see.
You have no idea.
Yeah.
Um, I also speaking of Brasso, I really liked that scene where, um, he, before he dies,
he gets captured and then he kind of like pretends like his buddy there, like turned

(01:10:02):
him in.
So that way he was protecting his friend.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
That too.
I didn't get it.
The first watch, I actually stopped and rewound and watch that scene again.
Cause it just seems so awkward.
So I'm glad that you guys picked up on that too.
Cause now I feel a little bit better about my opinion.

(01:10:24):
Hmm.
Yeah.
I saw some people like thought that he did betray them, but like, no, you see, like
he, he kind of nods his head and he's like, Oh, I understand what you're doing.
Like, thank you.
Cause he was sacrificing himself to save, you know, his girlfriend, who was the, I
guess the owner of that store or worked in that store.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Even more sad.

(01:10:45):
You know, they set up a whole like relationship for Brasso and then killed him.
Yeah.
You know, the woman probably doesn't even know that I'm making out this season.
Yeah.
Uh, all right, cool.
That's, that's everything from this episode.
Does anyone have anything else to bring up?
And then we can pop the points of food is this thing.

(01:11:06):
We saw, we saw the range.
I think they're called range troopers.
The guys from solo and the first episode, like the guy with the kind of the fur around
his neck.
Oh yeah.
On that planet.
Yeah.
On signer with the rocket launcher.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was cool seeing those guys again.
Yeah.
I like that design.
I like the design and, and it makes sense that, you know, it's on a snowy environment.

(01:11:30):
Like it makes sense that they would have those guys there.
Right.
Um, okay, let's, uh, I got, I got a couple of things there.
Did you guys see the ATST puppet?
I thought that was kind of fun.
I liked the harvest.
Yeah, that was cool.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
I posted that actually in our little chat there that you can actually make it.
Oh, that's cool.

(01:11:51):
Oh, sweet.
Maybe we should have like, yeah.
And powers.com.
They have the, the directions.
And or craft an ATST puppet.
Yeah.
Oh, that's neat.
That's very cool.
How about, uh, when Mothma joins the dance at the wedding, everybody's dancing clockwise
and she starts dancing counterclockwise in the center.

(01:12:14):
I thought that was a really clever, like, okay, I'll play along, but not in the way you
want me to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was a really cool scene.
Yeah.
That was really, really like, well done.
And also she's just like, you know, she's so mad and I'm like upset about this whole
situation with, with everything.
Right.
That she's just gets hammered and just starts like, and they posted a one hour, like compilation

(01:12:40):
of the song and her dancing.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It goes for a whole hour and it's called, um, let's see where it's called.
It's called one hour of dancing Mon Mothma and or season two.
And this is your, this is your song Kirk.
Like this is your, uh, favorite beat from season one is the Neamos, um, Neamos, uh, mix
or whatever it's called.

(01:13:01):
Right.
Yeah.
It's so good.
It's a, the alternative title is one hour of Mon Mothma having a mental breakdown.
I mean, she betrayed her childhood friend and she sold off her daughter.
Like, you know, it's time to dance.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, I was just glad that the dance scene turned out as well as it did.
Cause when I saw it in the trailer, I was so scared.

(01:13:22):
It was going to be like another power of one power of two.
Right.
Yeah.
And it actually like, no, this, this played well with the story.
I actually liked the music.
Like it was a cool scene.
Yeah.
No, I agree.
I agree.
It played out really well.
To bring us this sick beat.

(01:13:43):
All right.
Let's, uh, let's head to the, Oh yeah.
Go for it.
Darren.
One of the things I thought was really interesting about the actual people getting married in
this episode is the boy is the one who's actually being more responsible about the
wedding.
Like he has reservations about not knowing her and stuff.
And Mon Mothma's daughter is the one that's having like the hissy fits and like sitting

(01:14:06):
off in the corner, slulking because he's, he's not excited to get married and stuff.
I thought that was an interesting take.
Yes.
As well.
They also have some visual metaphors in there too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm hoping that they're going to have more with his character because we haven't seen
anything of them yet.
Yeah.
It's true.

(01:14:27):
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Oh, actually another, sorry.
I got to go back to the, another thing I reminded me of is when Mon Mothma went up
to her daughter and was like, you know, you don't have to go through with this.
And then like, yeah, I was expecting the daughter to be like, like to turn as per usual, but
she just like, she just said to him, like, you should have been, I wish you were drinking
or something.
What did she say?

(01:14:48):
Yeah.
Her mom was drunk when she got married.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which I, I did not like, I wasn't expecting that.
So like that was, um, like she's obviously fully, um, fully manipulated or fully indoctrinated
with this, uh, uh, which is interesting.
Cause like a couple of scenes beforehand, like she was, you know, crying on the ground
in the middle of the, um, uh, in the middle of the, the hall where they had the reception

(01:15:12):
venue.
And one month of I had to, uh, well, that just gives you the idea of that relationship,
right?
Like, like she's clearly not got a healthy relationship with her kid.
Um, there's no respect there, you know?
Do you think that she maybe went into this wedding to kind of spite her mother?

(01:15:34):
I think so.
Like, I think, I think, um, is that what you, you kind of thought as well?
Yeah.
They got more of that out of the season one and season two so far, but that's, I think
so because it, even her father doesn't really seem to be into this other than playing his
part.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It seemed like she did this.

(01:15:56):
Uh, there's this scene.
I can't put my finger right on where her daughter accuses her of being selfish.
And the subject to that was, that's where she starts pushing for this wedding and everything
is that's when the daughter starts spiting her mother and all these different situations.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, Shauna, you had, you had anything to say on this one?

(01:16:20):
We've covered pretty much all of it.
I think that, um, all in all, it just kind of tied the three episodes together quite well.
Yeah.
In my opinion.
Alrighty.
Uh, let's head over to two very small things.
Yep.
You keep trying to transition.
We just drag it back.
I need that.
Okay.

(01:16:41):
I got your back.
If you run out of them, I can do a couple.
Okay.
Sounds good.
Sounds good.
We'll go back and forth.
I'm going to meet you all and transition it anyways.
All right, let's go.
Let's go.
Uh, I thought it was neat that they kind of did like a, a Jedi Padawan braids, uh, like through
the marriage ceremony.
Yeah.
That was exactly what I was going to bring up.
Nice.

(01:17:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, that was a cool.
Almost a little, you're talking about when, when her now husband cuts the, uh, cuts the
hair.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was very, yeah.
Right out of the nighting ceremony.
Right.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Last season, she had two long ones at the beginning of the season.
I'm like, why is one of her braids cut?
And then they show you the second one being cut.

(01:17:24):
And it's like, Oh, one of the braids got cut to show she was engaged.
Oh, that makes sense.
Yeah.
That makes a lot of sense.
I missed the first one.
Well, I guess, did they, did they showed the first one or they just kind of implied
it?
I guess.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was cool.
I liked that.
That was, that was neat.
I wrote down just cause I thought it was kind of neat.

(01:17:47):
I aesthetically, I liked it.
It's pretty minor, but, uh, Chandrilla, their, uh, clothing style was just very, uh, reminded
me so much of like Avatar, the airbender.
Yeah.
Like so much, like all of their clothing.
I was thinking about that too, actually, like the more ceremonial things.
Yeah.

(01:18:08):
Yeah.
They're like all the wedding garb.
Yeah.
I was thinking it was kind of more Japanese too.
Yeah.
I'm sure it's very Japanese inspired.
Both, both of them.
Yeah.
I do love the costuming.
I think that their costumes are really cool.
Oh yeah.
Agreed.
Costumes are insane.
I mean like they've done such an excellent job with like the detailing on this, uh, on
this show.

(01:18:29):
It's, uh, it's remarkable.
I know everything except for, uh, Cyril's mother's costume.
I thought it looked pretty cheap.
It just, I was like, it's just slightly above a printed shirt.
Yeah.
But I think her costume is meant to show that she's trying to feign wealth.
Yeah.
Okay.
And they did that on purpose because everything on her jewelry is gold, but it's all tarnished.

(01:18:54):
She's wearing extremely vibrant colors.
Like her jacket's red.
Her, her dresses like this weird orange with ribbing in it and stuff, right?
Everything in the apartment is white.
Everything that the two of them are wearing is gray and black.
And I thought that was a good metaphor for Cyril is in the middle.
He's just trying to do what he thinks the law says.

(01:19:17):
She's the, um, we forgot her name, the ISB officer.
You normally see her all in white, but she's wearing the black evil.
Actually the most masculine suit out of the three of them.
And then the mom's wearing the passionate, um, emotional, vibrant stuff.
And it, it really shows you who each one of the characters are just by their wardrobe.

(01:19:41):
That's so interesting.
I never thought about that.
I thought it was just a budget thing for the, for the filming.
Well, everything with the mother shows that she doesn't have money, but she wants the world to think really well of her.
That makes sense.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Uh, okay.
Is that everything?

(01:20:02):
Is that everything?
I feel like if we're bringing anything else up, you're going to have an algorithm.
So good.
I'm just going to cut it out.
All right.
Cool.
Uh, okay.
Sadly, we, we, we did lose Kirk.
Um, cause we, we kind of ran out of time with him, but, um,
at least give you his kids.
Yeah.
He, he did.
Yeah.
He typed it down for me.
So, okay.

(01:20:23):
Um, let's, uh, transition over to Paula points of voodoo's.
Alright, there we go.
Paula points of voodoo's.
Uh,
happening.

(01:20:44):
Some guys talking about a podcast over there.
Crazy, right?
Yeah.
Wait a minute.
Is that, is that Boba?
No, I guess Django.
Tjango.
I guess Django.
Tjango.
Tjango.
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Tjango.
Tjango.
Tjango.
T هو.
Tjango.
Tjango.
Tjango.
Tjango.

(01:21:05):
Tjango.
Tjango.
Tjango.
they're closely related
it's Mr. Bob 8 feet
that's right
so let's start
with you Kirk
oh wait
so Kirk
said if I miss
the ratings I give these a

(01:21:25):
2, 2 and a 2.5
Pablos
let's explain the ratings
Kirk what are you doing man
jumping ahead
our bubble points
this Pudu system is on a scale of 7
3 Pablo Pudus is the worst
of the worst
2 Pablo Pudus is bad

(01:21:46):
1 Pablo Pudu
is definitely not great
a Bendu is like a 50% score
that's like not good
not great kind of thing
it's the one in the middle
1 Pablo point is good
2 Pablo points is great
3 Pablo points is the best of the best
and we have the .5s between all those values
so
so let's start with you Kirk

(01:22:07):
he gave a 2 and a 2
and a 2.5
which is
which is so funny
because we just talked about doing
his one arc
yeah yeah yeah
so I'm actually going to say
I'm going to estimate
that he's just going to give
this whole first arc
2.5
Pablo points
that's just what I'm going to
we're going to roll with that
which gets copy pasted
to all the episodes here

(01:22:28):
but yeah
Shauna
we'll move on to you
what would you
give this story arc
as a whole
the whole thing
I think I'm going to go with a 2
2 okay
2 Pablo points it is
that's good
that's good
Darian what about you
I'm also going to go with a 2

(01:22:49):
I deliberated this
and there's just
the subtext in these episodes
were so great
like even down to how
at dinner
the mother spills
all over the place
and like garbles a napkin
and everything
disrespecting their space
when she was so neat
about hers
they did phenomenal with that
oh yeah
yeah for sure
um

(01:23:09):
Dan
I give this a very solid 2
it's
I love Andor
like it's
a very strong start
to the second season
and
yeah
really enjoying it
alright
can't wait to see more
awesome
and Blake sir
it's not very interesting

(01:23:30):
I feel like I'm probably
going to go with the 2
I just don't feel quite
it's true
I just don't feel quite
comfortable enough
to give it 2.5
because it's just
there's a few things that
I think pulled it out
for me a little bit
maybe it was a little bit
too dark
for my Star Wars
in some scenes

(01:23:50):
Blake
can I
can I push you a little bit
sure go for it
okay what about the scene
where Luthien
is talking to him
on Mothma
about offing
Tay
think about that
how great was that
where he's like
where
he's like
we have to kill him
because you know
that he's always
going to come back

(01:24:10):
for more money
and
she's like
I don't know
what you're talking about
he
calls her out
in a subtle way
by being like
oh how nice for you
the subtext of
you know
we both know
what we're talking about
but you don't want to admit it
and I'm going to hold you to it
but you can play your
innocence for now
nope that's very true

(01:24:35):
a lot of these scenes
I feel like I'm so used to
Star Wars being a little more obvious
I have to watch them like twice
before I figure out what's going on
see I think
so for my score
I think
I'm going to go with 2.5
as well
just the same as
as Kirk here
because
for me
you know
I think
I was leaning on 2 as well
and then I thought

(01:24:55):
you know
there's so much complexity
to like
what's happening here
and I think that gives it
like the point
the extra .5 for me
that's fair
because like
the fact that
I need to watch more than once
to get the full context
maybe
is a good thing
as far as like
the depth of
yeah
quality and effort
they put into the show
and that's what
like we've praised about

(01:25:16):
some of George's stories
with Star Wars 2
is like
oh there's so much depth here
and like
with Clone Wars
it adds even further
like meaning
there's one difference though
and that difference is
when George did
even if you didn't get
the deeper context
the story still
made very cohesive sense
for like a child's perspective
whereas this
I feel like
you're missing
what's going on
if you don't get it

(01:25:36):
yeah
I guess so
I don't know
I really enjoyed
the darker themes
and you know
the writing
is very impressive
and I do plan on
I only got around
to watching
all of these episodes once
but I do plan on
watching them all again
and
do you watch them
with subtitles and stuff?

(01:25:58):
I usually do
I usually end up
for the second go around
I'll put on subtitles
as well as
what's it called
it's like
for the deaf
and hard of hearing
or sorry
for the
not that one
yeah
sorry
it's like
for people who listen
yes
it's like

(01:26:18):
audio description
basically
so
like between
the scenes
you'll have
an automatic
kind of voice
that comes over
and describes
the scene
and describes
the characters
and sometimes
yeah
and sometimes
it has been
very very handy
for pointing out
easter eggs
that sometimes
were less obvious

(01:26:39):
that might be
really good
for this show
and so
like
I'm definitely
planning on doing
that again
I've done that
with a lot
of other shows
I don't think
I did it with
a few episodes
of Skeleton Crew
but not the whole show
but I do plan
on doing all my
second go arounds
with that as well
on top of the caps
now you're watching
almost six hours
with the shows
in a week
yeah
that's the thing

(01:26:59):
that's why
I only plan
to do it
like maybe
another time
but because
there's three
right
that's why
it's so much
more
because I'd
like to watch
them all twice
yeah
instead I just
had to rewatch
the scenes
that I wasn't
quite sure about
yeah yeah
I just I think
I'll do
I'll try and do
that second go
around before
we chat about
these things
but I do plan
on doing it
regardless
I think like

(01:27:19):
at some point
but yeah
anyways
okay
that sums up
our part one
of four I guess
for season two
of Andor
as we're gonna
hit the outro
here
I just got
one question
for all of
you guys
that remain
what are some
I guess what is
a piece of
speculation that

(01:27:40):
you have
or maybe
something you've
seen in the
trailer
something
somebody said
at celebration
something that
you're you know
kind of antsy
to see or
or something
for season two
maybe we can
start with you
I'm curious
to see how
Bratso's death

(01:28:00):
is gonna
affect Andor
like I think
it's gonna
ruin his
girlfriend
but if
Bratso was
the big
brother
nurturer type
and the
like the
enforcer
he's the
guy that
stood up
for what
was right
whereas
Cassian Andor
does a lot
of dark
stuff
because he
knows that
the ends
will justify
the memes
so that

(01:28:21):
that's gonna
be interesting
for me
yeah
all right
Dan what
about you
I'm excited
to see
K2SO show
up as a
big fan
of Alan
Tudyk
like I'm
happy to
see more
of that
character
yeah
I'm pretty
sure it's
I won't be
until like
the episodes
right before
they lead
up to Rogue
One but
yeah

(01:28:42):
looking forward
to it
yeah
and for
anyone who
wants to
read that
story in
the Marvel
comics
there is a
one shot
out there
that does
tell that
story so
I'm very
curious to
see if
they'll
adapt it
or just
completely
retcon it
I just
hope they
don't just
skip over
it
or they
just skip
over and
that would
be nice
too because
then it's
like okay
I don't
I don't
think that'd
be nice
to do

(01:29:02):
that
all right
yeah Blake
what do you
what's your
what's your
response to
that
I agree
with Dan
definitely
I'm very
excited for
some K2
to be back
in action
I'm also
like in
the guy's
name but
the guy
who's kind
of in
the head
charge of
putting all
the rebel

(01:29:22):
stuff behind
the scenes
right now
Luthan
I'm really
excited to
see his
story and
know more
about his
character
yeah
yeah
all right
well I'm
very stoked
to see
Kronik back
that's a big
one I know
there was some
mention at
Celebration for
recasting a
certain main
character
main speculation
goes to
Bail Organa

(01:29:42):
sadly but
I guess we can
get into that
in the following
weeks
yeah I'm
just I don't
know I'm
looking forward
to I am
looking forward
to seeing K2
as a little
bag I'm very
curious as to
you know how
they'll do that
but anyways
we'll catch you
all in the next
one thank you
guys for for
joining us here
we'll see you
out there keep
flying

(01:30:03):
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