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Time to abandon ship!

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Oh no!
Here we go!
Can I persuade you to join us for a drink?
It's a tradition.
Here, here.
Jar Jar, homie, my main man, quickly.
Before the separatists attack, get into the escape pod.

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Hey!
This is escape!
Then we're the pod!
This is escape!
Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod and the next part to our and or after show,
which for season two is going to run four episodes long.

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Twelve episodes in the season, but they are releasing them three at a time every week
at 6pm PST on Tuesday night, best night of the week.
So, other than of course the night that this after show drops for your entertainment.
And we have joining us our co-host Blake, as well as our good friends Matt and Darian.

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And we are going to chat, break down episodes four, five, and six of and or season two.
We're just going to give it our Apollo points of poodoo's.
If any of you know what that is.
So on and so forth.
So, without further ado, let's get into it.
Another happy landing.

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All right.
Welcome back, Blake.

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Ahoy!
I need it.
Ahoy!
By the skin of my teeth.
Yeah.
I think man as well.
We are halfway through season two after only two weeks of Andor coming out, which blows
my mind.
If I'm honest, it's kind of disappointing.
I don't want it to go by that quickly.

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We're at the 50% mark, man.
I know, right?
It's like watching a movie each week though, right?
Like I watch them all together in one cluster.
So like for me, it's like-
I would do that if I had the time.
Yeah.
Well, it's like two and a half hours usually on average, like if you put the three together,
because they don't run 50 something minutes each, right?

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Right.
Only if you're going to sit through all the credits and the whole intro and the flashback.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
I will say, I feel like this shows, if I were to describe it, the way it's being released
is an ice cream, an ice cream cone, because it's just going by really fast and you really
enjoy it.
But once it's gone, it's gone.
It is.
It has a limited window.
That's right.

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All right.
And with us this week, we also have Matt.
It's been a while, Matt.
Welcome back to the show.
Oh, hello.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me back.
Awesome.
And I guess when was the last time that anyone heard your voice?
Do you remember?
My voice.
Yeah.
I might've been on the, maybe one of the fun episodes after we did the skeleton crew.

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I think so.
Yeah.
I think we, yeah.
Oh, you were there for the finale.
Yeah.
You were there for the, yeah.
So all, like most of the skeleton crew.
And then, yeah, I think maybe, uh, like a few after that.
And then, yeah, so it's been a few months.
You're here for the good stuff, not the filler.
Yeah.
So it's great to have you back, uh, for the and or after show.
And, uh, we also have Darian, uh, so welcome back Darian.

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Thank you very much.
This is the main.
Awesome.
Awesome.
And great to have you back as well.
Uh, so it's a smaller group tonight.
Um, a Kirk, uh, sadly couldn't be here and neither could, uh, Nick or Sean or, or pretty
much the rest of the gang, but, um, hopefully we get some, uh, Pablo, uh, Pudos and Pablo points
coming in, uh, over the, uh, Pudos, but we'll see.
Yeah.

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Over the, uh, over the intercom, maybe we'll get something coming in, but if not, then it'll
just be ours for now.
Uh, and by the end of the show, uh, we'll go through all the ratings, uh, of the team
averages and, and we'll kind of just compare, uh, the four different story arcs and, uh,
uh, you know, whatnot.
So, uh, something I actually want to start off with that I haven't, uh, that I forgot
to actually talk about last week was the, um, impressive run times for Andor.

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Andor, and if anyone isn't familiar with the star Wars escape pod, true runtime tracker
spreadsheet, um, I have put all that, I've merged that document with our podcast archive
spreadsheet.
So you can find, uh, that through our link tree link, which is, uh, down below in the
description of every single episode that we do.

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Um, so hit the link tree and then you can find it from there.
It's also, I think it's own separate link, uh, other than that, just called podcast archives.
It's a giant spreadsheet.
We keep track of all the episodes we've done on there.
All the star Wars launch pad episodes on there, our rating system for everything that
we give Pablo points of putus to, uh, the true runtime tracker, which cuts out the intro
and the flashbacks and the credits and all that, and really actually gives you a good

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idea for how long the episode really is like how long we're actually sitting there
for it.
So that's right.
Disney's not sneaking any filler past us.
That's right.
So, uh, we also rank them because, you know, I feel like we've kind of all agreed the gold
standard is 35 minutes, you know, at the very least.
Yeah.
Um, so, you know, we rank them with like, Hey, did it check off the box for over 35 minutes?

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Uh, does it run over 20?
Does it run over 30?
Does it run over 40?
And believe it or not, there's some that run over 50 minutes long.
And that is without the Lucasfilm logo, the star Wars intro, the credits, the proper
runtime.
That's a proper runtime.
So yeah, there's only a handful of those, but, um,
uh, and or as well.
No, uh, it does not have an over 50 minute episode.

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Um, despite what Disney plus says, I know a lot of people are like, what?
That's cause there's like 10 minutes of international credits on the end.
Uh, so I will read off the numbers now for the last six episodes.
So, cause I forgot to do the first three last week.
Uh, so starting from episode one of season two, uh, the real, the real runtime was 47
minutes and 53 seconds.

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So that got the gold star for over 35 minutes.
Uh, and, um, that, Oh, sorry.
That was a sorry.
Season two, episode one, 45 minutes, 33 seconds.
Yeah.
Did I say that?
Sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it does a near pass as a, as a, yeah, it's still in the good territory, but you

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know, we're still gold starring it for the over 35 minute mark.
Um, episode three came out with a 44 minute and 38 second runtime also hits the box.
And the following three episodes also hit the box.
The ones that we're talking about this week, all hit over 35 minutes.
Episode four ran 46 minutes and 10 seconds long.
Uh, episode five, 46 minutes and 43 seconds long.

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And episode six, 46 minutes and 52 seconds.
I noticed that.
Cause when I watched them back to back, they almost the exact same runtime.
Yes, that exactly.
So, uh, they're very, very close.
I was a little bit disappointed.
Cause I was rushing.
It didn't matter in the end, but I'm like, man, of course the longest episodes are
I'm like, just trying to hammer it in the last minute.
Totally.
Totally.

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Uh, so I know we're only halfway through, but so far we are running at a, a, a full
50% are over 35 minutes.
Um, with and or season one in comparison, we had 11 out of 12 episodes hit that 35 minute
minimum runtime, uh, approximating 91.67% of the season being over 35 minutes.

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And that's so far the record breaker.
Uh, so like if you ever want to inspect all of this for yourself, we've got all the shows
on there, all the, all the shows on the spreadsheet.
Uh, it's kind of fun to look at and it's fun to see which episodes cracked 50 minutes.
Uh, you might be surprised.
So if you just want some info in your tool belt, so you can argue with your friends, here's
some information.
Exactly.
Here's some useless information for all of y'all.

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Except for the most hardcore Star Wars fans that will bicker about anything.
That's right.
Yeah.
Cause we nitpick about everything.
That's right, man.
Down to the screws.
Am I right?
Those bricks.
Yeah.
Those bricks and those screws.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
That's funny that you say that because I love, I love looking at the background and

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since I just binged all six, um, I keep looking in the background, but in the, so the depth
of field is so thick.
It's forcing me just to focus main characters where the director, you know, look a funny
cause usually, you know, with star Wars, it's fun to look in the background, action design
stuff in the back and the characters in the back.
Mm.
Do that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah.

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So, um, okay.
Yeah.
Maybe, maybe you can kick us off this week because, um, we, we actually don't have your
initial impressions or anything about the first three episodes.
So what were your feelings when you went into season two?
How'd you, how'd you feel about this season so far?
And, um, what was your Pablo points and putus, you know, for the first arc of, of the season?
Um, yeah.

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And I'll, I'm also coming into this kind of blind cause I have no idea what you guys have
said so far.
So I have no idea.
Um, it's unbiased.
So take, first take.
So what's fun about this too, is that lies like last night before the podcast, like
I still haven't seen, I think it was the last three, three episodes, three or four
episodes of season one.
So I binged like the last one last night until like two 30 in the morning.

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And then I just binged all six today.
And so the pleasure of like going right into it, right.
Right.
And going into went right into season two.
How does the Pablo point system go?
Uh, so Pablo points and putus.
Yeah.
We should explain that to any new listeners out there.
Uh, three Pablo putus is the worst of the worst.
Two Pablo putus is like pretty bad.

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One Pablo putu is bad.
A bendu is the one in the middle.
That's 50% score.
Uh, one Pablo point is good.
Two Pablo points is great.
And three Pablo points is just terrific.
So, um, yeah.
What would you give, uh, the first three as a whole, you know, as a, as a story arc, if
you were to like, just count it as like a movie, like what would you give it?
The first three I'd give it to.

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Okay.
Two Pablo points.
Okay.
Yeah.
With kind of the rest of us, like some of us did two, some of us did 2.5.
So, uh, we're, uh, and you, you can give a 0.5 as well, by the way, if you want to,
but, um, no pressure, but no pressure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's an option though.
I'm like 2.2.3.
Uh, I'll give 2.5.
I'll give 2.5.
I'll give 2.5.

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Yeah.
Alrighty.
Yeah.
2.5.
Okay.
I'll upgrade you.
I'll upgrade you.
Increase your average.
Yeah.
Coming in, coming in from, from Shauna and I pressed the wrong button or what, but she's
given each of the three first episodes, one Pablo Pudu.
Oh, wow.
Uh, which is a new score for me to look at on this.
She's got to explain that then.
Oh, sorry.

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That's Nick, not Shauna.
Sorry.
Uh, Shauna was with us last week.
Uh, she gave, she gave two Pablo, Pablo points.
Uh, that's Nick that, that dude, what the heck?
Uh, all right.
Uh, so yeah.
Um, that brings down the team average to a 1.5 Pablo points, uh, for the first story arc of the
season.
And, uh, we're going to kick things off with episode four of season two ever been to Gorman.

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That's what this episode is called.
Uh, so what I'm going to do is just read off a little bit of stuff and then, uh, we
can talk about, uh, kind of how we like this story and you know, so on and so forth.
So, um, okay.
So this was, uh, directed by, uh, Ariel Kleeman, uh, same as all the other episodes that we've
seen so far written by Bo Williman.
And this episode along with all the rest tonight came out April 29th, 2025.

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One year after the incident on Mina Rao, Cassian and Bix have become active operators for Luthen
and hide out on Coruscant.
Though Bix is still beset by nightmares of, uh, Dr. Gorst, on Gorman, the empire begins
building an armory.
Cyril and, uh, with Dedra and, uh, Part, Particaz's backing takes up a position on Gorman

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and pretends to be sympathetic to the rebels cause to Fiend being successfully recruited.
Upon learning from Jung that Dedra is secretly working on the planet, Luthen sends Cassian
to assess the rebels.
Wilman is tasked with teaching one of Saw's men named Plutti to work a Rhydonium extractor
as part of a fuel heist.

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Mon Mothma unsuccessfully attempts to rally support to kill the renewal of a bill giving
broad power to the ISB.
So a lot of stuff happened in this episode.
I feel like there's a lot to kind of get into here because like, it's one year after the
last story arc.
And, you know, just so everyone knows, like every week that we watch three more episodes,
it's always going to be one year towards Rogue One.

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Interesting.
The whole season, every week.
And that's part of the reason why they're doing three at a time because it just kind of,
I think views better.
Yeah.
It's easier to track.
It'd be very confusing if all, like every three weeks it jumps a year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like it's, it's one year later again, and the next two weeks will be one year again.
And one year again, ironically enough, this entire season overlaps completely with Star

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Wars Rebels.
A hundred percent.
This, like this episode arc right now.
The whole show, the whole, the whole, the whole show.
Cause like they were trying to lead up same thing up to like episode four.
Yeah.
But like the end of season four of Star Wars Rebels happens like before Rogue One and all
that.
But it's a four season show in the way that this is a four arc season.

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You know what I mean?
So each, each, each week is three episodes and that is one year worth of time.
And Star Wars Rebels each season was like 15 to 22 episodes.
And that was also about a year's worth of time.
So kind of crazy.
Uh, so it's always weird when I think about it because I'm like, man, this is cool.
Like anytime I'm watching these characters and this story, I, uh, I keep thinking about

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what Ezra and Kanan and stuff.
What they're doing at that moment.
Yeah.
I want to see, to be honest, I think it'd be really cool to see some sort of connection
to it as in like maybe Luthan interacts with the rebel crew somehow.
Maybe it's just like over, like you come in as he's like sending them a message on some
mission or something.
It would be really, really cool to have something that small, just, um, just tie it together.

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Yes.
Well, and, uh, Gorman was referenced in Star Wars Rebels.
Uh, the Gorman massacre, the, the plot that, which is what the, the, is that what the, um,
monuments for Moff Tarkin.
Yes.
Okay.
The Moff Tarkin thing.
And in Star Wars Rebels.
Yeah.
Now it's been a little while since you and I watched Star Wars Rebels, which was leading
into Ahsoka.
We did it back then, but, uh, two years ago, almost now, which is kind of nuts.

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But, um, but yeah, Matt, you, you, you, you kind of know what I'm talking about there.
Do you kind of remember that, that reference?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was cool.
Yeah.
Very cool stuff.
And also there's an episode in Star Wars Rebels where the ghost crew has to transport
Ma and Mothma somewhere because she's like come out of the shadows and like,
she's on the run now.

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Right.
So I wonder, I'm wondering if they're going to lead up to that.
Yeah.
I wonder if that's going to be like an Andor, like maybe Andor is going to show us what came
before the episode of Star Wars Rebels where they have to like pick her up and like transport
her somewhere.
Right.
Like that's pretty cool if they do.
I'd be interested in that arc if they did it for sure.
Yeah.
If they don't, then we're going to have to get like, um, Tales of the Senate animated series.

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Yeah.
Um, all right.
Yeah.
So, um, okay, let's start, uh, Darian.
What, what did you think of, um, of this episode?
The number four, you could write a book on that opening phone call between, uh, Cyril
and his mother.
There's so much like nuance and back and forth and subtext to that scene.
I, I, it was amazing.

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It was so well done.
Um, did these three episodes seem more cinematic to everyone else than the previous three?
I think I would say yes.
To me, I think being able to flash between these different storylines a bit more frequently,
you know, cutting back and forth and having that suspense with multiple plot lines kind
of feed the episode to me felt more like a movie.

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Uh, and how a movies typically do it as well.
Yeah.
I agree with that.
Cause I feel like the last, last arc, three episodes, the way they cut between the characters,
it felt like game of Thrones.
We just kind of get like a, you know, seven minute segment, like each storyline.
Yeah.
But like even they, they break the fourth wall on the last shot of the first episode with
the Gorman rebel leader looking right down the barrel and this long sort of soulful shot.

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They, they tell a lot of emotion in this episode by doing these long moving shots.
Um, like there's a lot of choices where they're filming from a table height for somebody that's
standing to like express certain points as they're going through.
I just, I found that these episodes really, really pushed that the camera was telling
more of the story than what was actually happening.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Very, very perceptive.
Yeah.
No, I agree with that.
I feel like there was a lot of that, uh, through these three episodes as opposed to the first
arcs.
And that might be also trying to use that as a mechanism to try to sell more attention to
what's going on.
Cause it's more, almost more political.
There's not as much interjected action in this, in these three episodes.

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Yeah.
Definitely.
Season four.
Episode four did feel like a really strong first act of a script.
And then as went into five, like a strong second act.
And then six was like awesome third act.
And the arcs were just amping up each time between episode four into five and six.
Like, uh, it was pretty awesome.
It was well written.
Yeah.

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Very.
Yeah.
Gorman is an interesting planet.
I don't know if anyone, if anyone else has, uh, enjoyed watching the and or declassified
YouTube video that they do every week, but on news to me, the star Wars YouTube channel,
there's a, a video that they put out each week for, uh, it's just one like 10 minute video.
And it's like a kind of like, you remember how they did rebels recon.
I was just going to say, this is exactly different for the rebel show.

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So that's really funny.
Like, yes.
Yes.
So, uh, it's similar, but not as like, well, I was for a child audience.
Yes.
It's not as like for a child.
Yeah.
It's not, it's not a child audience thing.
It's like, you know, it's, I've got a lot more emotion driving it.
And, uh, it kind of feels like it could be on like, you know, a blue, very special features
thing or whatever.
Uh, is there cameos from Pablo?

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No.
Tony Gilroy's in it.
Tony Gilroy's talking.
It'll never be high in my heart until Pablo shows up.
I know.
Right.
Hey, well, I mean, uh, yeah.
Yeah.
Rebels.
Rebels recon.
Oh, and or this brand or it's like in the extras, right?
It's the D class.
Oh yeah.
It's insane set right on, uh, on the set of Pinewood.

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And, uh, it was beautiful.
It was very nice.
Yeah.
It was, uh, it was very complete.
They, they talked about the complexity of absolutely everything, all the details, all
the, the props, all the food, uh, everything.
Did they use the volume in the background or was it all like green screen?
I, they didn't go that far as far as talking about the lighting looked really natural.
Yeah.

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Well, there's an outside set.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
It's a backlog set.
Um, yeah.
They incorporate a lot of, uh, organic shapes into their structures.
I noticed.
And when you get more into like the Imperial sections, that's where you start to notice
the harsh angles on everything.
Um, but like, I really appreciated the world building of Gorman because everything that was
like pre empire, um, you can tell it's got a bit of age and stuff.

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It's designed to be decadent.
And like it, it has every, every aspect of it has permeated entertaining into it.
If you look at the pillars that go from the roof down, they turn into these seats, but
everything's empty showing that this used to be a bustling civilization where everyone
would come through and, and socialize and look everywhere on the planet.
But now it's completely lost that identity.

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Yeah.
I noticed that too.
Yeah.
It just, everything feels empty from what it looks like it should be.
I think it's even referenced in one of the episodes.
Right.
Yeah.
And, um, yeah.
And it's, what was cool about it is it's, um, it's kind of inspired by, uh, I think they
said it was inspired by a bit of Italian sort of culture, but the language that they used

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is based on the sound of French.
Yeah.
I was trying to figure out if they just got lazy and just used French or if it's, uh,
like a made up language that's similar.
It's made up, it's made up, but it's like based on the, uh, the way the, the actors in
the scene spoke it, it just seemed so fluent.
It didn't seem like they were fumbling.
Like sometimes you get when people are speaking at ease.

(20:58):
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
So I wasn't even sure if that was actual French or not.
Yeah.
I think they did that very purposely because a lot of this episode said to me about how the
English took North America from the French and the Spanish, they really seem to be a
metaphor for that.
The manifest destiny time, because like a lot of the tactics that they use are similar.

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Um, I'm trying to, there was a scene specific to what I'm thinking of.
I'm curious to where you're going with this because I, to me, I felt like it was, uh, almost
a direct reference to the French resistance against the Nazis.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Definitely.
Yeah.
That too.
Uh, but especially like they, they portrayed the Gorman's the way a lot of people try and

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portray the French in their modern times of, of like, they're so decadent and arrogant
and whatnot, especially when it comes to fashion.
I mean, that's stuff I hear all the time when I'm talking to people in the fashion industry
here.
But, uh, like, so how, how the English tried to get the natives to turn against the French
was they were, they were doing all of these, uh, political and not political, uh, propaganda

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things and blaming the French for stuff and like putting rafts down the rivers of body parts
and whatnot.
They're the Imperials are kind of doing that in a more subtle way here with, with these people.
So I just thought that was really interesting.
Yeah.
A lot of, uh, real world events that they're referencing the show.
I think it's pretty, pretty clever the way they're doing it.
Yeah.

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It's also really cool to see, um, this time jump of one year later, because in the first
story arc, we do have that discussion in the conference room with Krennic and, and Deirdre
and everyone in there, they're discussing the plans for Gorman.
And so, you know, here we are a year later seeing how it's going, right?
Like, like, what are they doing there?
What are they building there?
The people there are kind of wondering like, okay, what have they been up to this whole

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time?
You know, uh, clearly they're not happy about the empire.
Um, and they've, you know, they, I guess they've, uh, allowed the time and the, the time
and investment of Cyril there, uh, to kind of get the attention of the Gorman front, which
is like a rebel cell that operates on Gorman that the empire knows about and wants to use

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for their own purposes of, of sabotage to create an excuse essentially to move in and,
uh, just, you know, okay, we're here for the rebels.
We need a reason to be here.
Yeah, exactly.
So, uh, you know, cause at this time, at this point in time, they are still working around
the, uh, the, yes.

(23:31):
Oh yeah.
This, uh, like the oversight of the Senate, essentially like the senators are going to
know.
And there's something, there's a, like a specific like document or whatever.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I forget.
I forget what it is, but it's, it's, uh, it's interesting to see.
And it gives a lot more meaning to episode four.
When Tarkin walks in that Imperial conference room, he says like until this battle station

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is fully operational.
We are vulnerable.
The rebel Alliance is too well equipped.
They're more dangerous than you realize.
Dangerous to your star fleet commander, not to this battle station.
The rebellion will continue to gain a support in the Imperial Senate.
The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us.
I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently.

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The last remnants of the old Republic have been swept away.
Well, it's impossible.
How will the Emperor maintain control without the bureaucracy?
The regional governors now have direct control over their territories.
Fear will keep the local systems in line.
Fear of this battle station.
Yeah.
And that's only three years, three years away from this.

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That's true.
Story arc.
It's easy to forget that.
Cause for me, we jump around to so many different story arcs and different time zones.
But yeah, it's easy to forget that the death star is only three years out from being fully
armed and operational.
Yeah.
So like it's in progress right now.
Right now it's in progress somewhere, right?

(25:10):
Yeah.
It was Geonosis until they moved it, but I don't know where that Rebels episode is where
they go there and it's gone.
Yeah.
So I'm not sure if it's there still or not.
Right.
Okay.
So another thing that happened this episode, of course, Luthan sends Cassian to assess the
Rebel cell on Gorman.
And, um, obviously he has a bit of an interest in like, are they worth recruiting into our

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circle?
Right.
Because at this point it's like, it's very hush hush.
No one knows who's working with who.
No one knows who's on the other end of the phone.
You know, it's a big step for him to even send anybody to go kind of investigate and really,
you know, find out, okay, what is, what does this cell look like?
What are they, what are they up to?
What do they have to work with?
What are they planning?
You know, should we work with them?

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Do we bring them into the fold?
Stuff like that.
Right.
Uh, so yeah.
And, uh, you know, you get his assessment when he comes back and it's like cloak and dagger
and shadow work.
Yeah.
It's very cool.
Maybe feel very world war two, like Nazi occupation stuff.
Yeah.
And also just, you're always thinking to yourself like, man, like the, the, no one, the, the,

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was it this episode that he has that conversation with, um, the, the girl at the coffee
shop or was that the second episode?
I forget.
I feel like it's the second one.
That was the second episode where she goes in and he's like, Oh, he's out with friends.
And then the guy comes in after a minute of talking to her, the forger.
Uh, I mean like when and or gets to Gorman and he's at the hotel and, and then he's down

(26:40):
in the next episode.
That's the next one.
Okay.
We'll talk about in the next one.
Um, but yeah, I thought that was a, that was cool.
Uh, saw, he's got a bit of a story arc here.
He's missing his breathing tubes, whatever accident happened.
It's not yet happened yet.
And, uh, we can get to do the episode three, but I think it might be leading into that.
Yeah.
Mon Moth tries to rally support for her bill.

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Um, which, uh, you know, that was rough.
It was rough to see.
Yeah.
Just jumping around and just nobody was willing to put their neck out at all.
Well, dude, so, so much happened.
I felt the first episode was the densest.
And like that first conversation between zero and his mother is so dense with information.
Like it is a masterclass on telling your audience, everything they need to know on multiple levels

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with a quick conversation.
And you got to think of where his head space is at the beginning of that conversation.
He spent the last year with Deidre where she's convinced his mother.
Finally, that he is this amazing guy exactly where he's supposed to be on course on doing
exactly what he should do.
He's very important.
And he's now like the most prized member of his family, even over uncle Harlow, where

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Harlow is kind of in this place.
And then now in her opinion, but, but so, so he's got a year of that.
He gets used to that.
He, he now is at least equal to his mother and her eyes for the first time in his life.
He's not the little boy that she's able to manipulate however she wants.
And then all of a sudden, in her opinion, he's on some backwater planet, lost his relationship,

(28:14):
lost his standing with the empire.
He's out with the hicks and bugs and whatnot.
Like he's, she starts treating him worse than we've ever seen before because she just
sees him as an utter failure.
And now uncle Harlow is the king again of the family.
And, um, that she's like so frustrated that she made all these sacrifices and did these

(28:36):
amazing things for him, but he's chosen to go and live with the bugs.
Like I thought that was such a great, and the worst part is he can't say anything.
He knows the truth of the situation.
Then that, that if she knew that she'd be so proud and like realize that this is a big
step up for him, but he can't say anything.
He has to suffer her abuse because that's his cover to get in with the Gorman front.

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I find it kind of funny though, that Deidre and him, basically her only real relationship
is with him.
And so she uses him as a pawn for this job.
Yeah.
She doesn't know anyone else.
Did anyone notice that in Biggs's nightmares that she's aligned with the doctor that was
torturing her?
I don't think they did.
So like she's working for the doctor.
No, no.
The doctor's talking to her like he tortured the soldier they killed for her benefit.

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And like everything was this really dark twisted thing.
Um, right.
And it was Cassie.
And then she can read.
Yeah.
Right.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
That's right.
I thought that was really interesting.
Cause it was like, it was expressing that she felt they were as bad as the empire with
what they were doing because they didn't even know this guy's name that they had killed.
Right.
That was cool.

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That was what I got out of it.
Yeah.
That was, that was neat.
And then I, one thing that really struck me when you get to see Cyril's life on planet,
when he's in his apartment, it's all very warm, rich colors.
All of the shelves are full and there's knickknacks and there's different varying qualities
of the things on the shelves.
Like some of the spiders look like they're ready to fall apart, but then there's like

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really expensive books and knickknacks and stuff.
So it's this very warm, rich life.
But his real life is very cold and surgical and precise and everything.
So it's like his fake life on this planet seems so much better than what he's coming
from.
Um, I thought that was really an interesting way to, that they set up all this stuff sort

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of thing.
Did anyone notice that, uh, Cyril's mother used, uh, Lucien's line from the last episode?
Oh, how nice for you.
The, like, it's, it's a similar, um, way that she says it.
When Lucien says it to Mon Mothma, it's, it's this, like, you're, you're trying to feign innocence
and appear to be good and everything.
But where Cyril's mother says it, it's this, like, she shows that she doesn't really care

(30:51):
that Cyril can see her.
It's, it's all about her manipulating him.
She wants to see him because it'll bring her pleasure and be able to understand what
he's thinking and everything more through his body language.
But then right away, she, she kind of like pulls the, uh, victim card where she's like,
it's okay.
I'll just try and remember what you look like.

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Um, don't worry about me sort of thing.
Like it's this weird guilt rep situation.
I watched that conversation three times back to back because the nuances are constantly
changing and she changes how she's the victim in the conversation in so many different ways.
And it's all about like how he slighted her by taking these, this worst job and everything.
Right.
It's always about her.

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And she, he doesn't have Deidre anymore to stand in the way and be.
As far as she's aware, they broke up.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
So, you know, she's not limited to the once or twice a week or whatever that, that Deidre
was going to put in place.
And, you know, the no Cyril bullying policy that she had in place and stuff like that.
But, but I just loved how they showed even Cyril undercover had implicit faith in the empire.

(31:59):
So, yeah.
Episode five is called, I have friends everywhere.
Same people involved, same date.
Clea learns that Scaldin intends to search his gallery room after one of his pieces turns
out to be a forgery threatening to expose a bug she planted in the room and forcing her
to extract it during an upcoming, uh, investiture party.

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Uh, Andor connects with the Gorman rebels and learns that they plan to intercept a weapons
shipment, but he deems them too inexperienced and shoots down the plan, much to their frustration.
Uh, Cyril reports back to Coruscant with news of the heist and with, uh, uh, part, uh, part,
part of Gads, uh, and Deidre agreeing to let it go through to empower the control of the rebels.

(32:44):
Uh, meanwhile, so Saul, Saul kills Plutie after learning that he's a traitor and has Wilman
work the X extractor on the heist instead.
Uh, so I, there was actually a lot that happened in this episode.
Um, I was, I can never pronounce his name correctly.
Part part to gas.
He's the older fellow at the ISB.
Oh, is that the guy who is supposed to be the guy on the death star later?
Uh, I don't mean ISB the head of the ISB.

(33:07):
The head of the ISB.
No, that's, that's, um, uh, uh, uh, what's his name?
Yularn.
Yularn.
Yularn.
Yeah, that's Yularn.
Uh, and he's, he's name dropped a few times in this episode, but, or in this arc, but,
um, or in the show, actually, the name dropped him in season one.
Um, major, uh, part of gas is the guy he's played by the actor who was in game of Thrones.
And, and, um, anyway, his first name is much easier to say it's Leo.

(33:32):
Screw it.
I'm just gonna call him Leo.
Um, okay.
So we cut, kick things off with the, uh, the dreadful news that one of their microphones
in Scaldin's collection could be found out if they get a reappraisal done on all of the
pieces in the room.
Right.
So, you know, they have to come up with a plan to remove this microphone before it gets

(33:54):
found out by anybody.
And, uh, of course, like any good spy story, this has to happen at a party.
Um, so, you know, like every spy movie ever, very cliche, but never gets old.
Uh, so, you know, seeing Tom Cruise in the background there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've noticed something about the series is that there's always so many parallels as

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it's going through.
Like almost every character has a parallel character between the, the Imperials and
the, uh, rebels.
It was like Luthen's Imperial counterpart is, uh, um, the guy in the white cape.
I forgot his name.
Krennic?
Krennic.
Yeah.
Like they are the same character.
They use the same tools.
The difference is Krennic can just be who he is.

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Whereas Luthen has to hide who he is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Parallel actually.
Yeah.
But like every character has a parallel character.
Uh, Deidre is basically Jen Urso's parallel character, uh, through, for the M the Empire.
Uh, Mon Mata is kind of like the parallel character to Saul Guerrera, except for Saul
Guerrera uses force and violence rather than politics.

(35:01):
Uh, so I just thought that was interesting.
There seems to be like a counterbalance of everything.
And yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, that's cool.
Never thought about that.
Yeah.
Did you see any more new pieces of the collection in the, in the room again that kind of stuck
out to you?
Trying to figure out those gauntlets.
The camera's like right up on.
I thought.
Yeah.

(35:22):
Those were more medieval.
By who?
Oh.
Those were very medieval.
Uh, like the, the ones we saw in season one were, uh, the stalker gauntlets.
These were more like, uh, gothic plate, maybe like 15th century.
Yeah.
I, since we're talking about it, I thought they were almost from the Ewok adventures show.
A little funny little, uh, Easter egg.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(35:43):
I thought so too.
I thought the same thing.
Cause like there's a, cause there's a, the witch and then she has like a night leader,
right?
Like kind of like a black night character.
I wonder if there may be his.
Hmm.
I haven't watched those in the 80s.
Then again, this is before that happened.
Yeah.
Timeline doesn't line up.
Let's start over.
My friend suggested I meet your father.
Your friend might've come himself.

(36:07):
Unless I'm the friend.
Right?
Or maybe I'm a snitch.
And you're my payday.
Maybe I'm ISP.
Maybe you just put everyone you care about into a cell.
I am who you want me to be.

(36:30):
But that's just you getting lucky.
People die rushing.
You have no idea who I am.
You need to be more careful.
It's hard to be patient when your world is falling apart.
My father's very proud.

(36:52):
And I can't wait to meet him.
I need fabric.
When is a good time for me to come by the showroom tomorrow?
I'll send word in the morning.
Thanks for stopping by.
Bye.
Clearly these rebels are not ready.
Right?
Like they are.
They're green.
Very green.

(37:13):
Right?
So that kind of.
Very arrogant too.
Very.
Yeah.
Very arrogant.
They're very stubborn.
What do the clones call it?
Shinies?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he said no blasters.
She told him.
Oh yeah.
That's like way into episode six.
I can't wait to talk about episode six.
It's almost like everything happened in episode six.
Yeah.

(37:34):
Everything led into episode six for sure.
Cause I, I did feel like the first two episodes were just generally lead up.
There wasn't, I feel like there wasn't a lot of like cliffhanger endings.
Like we got in the first arc.
Right.
Yeah.
It was also an interesting, interesting contrast with Cassian.
Like you guys were saying how Cassian was going off on her about, you know, kind
of making that kind of like rookie mistake and just kind of school her.
But then yet kind of loses it.

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And when he goes into Luthien's, Luthien's like museum shop, like straight up, like almost
blowing his whole cover, blowing everything just for Bix.
Yeah.
I found that interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a good parallel actually.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Um, something about, uh, the, uh, well I forget her name now, the actress that plays,
uh, Dedra.
She said that when she was researching the character, uh, she researched what, uh, psychotic

(38:23):
women are like, you know, like when, uh, when she, when she had to kind of play the role.
Right.
And, um, apparently it is in their nature to get other people to do their dirty work.
Uh, it makes sense to me.
It was in the, it was in the manipulative people.
Yes.
It was in the declassified and the and or declassified thing.
And I thought that was really interesting.

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And she, that's Cyril, right?
Like, you know, she, she's a psycho and Cyril is her lapdog that she just kind of gets to
do her bidding.
He's a pawn, but he's hoping that he's going to move up the ranks.
That explains why when she, uh, when Cyril enters the apartment, the first time you see
her with her hair down and she's wearing feminine clothes.
Yeah.
Like she, he has every moment manned out.

(39:06):
Yep.
Yep.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We get to finally see the, uh, remember we were talking about during the previews,
they were in the cafe with all the spiders and stuff on the wall.
That's the cafe where Andor meets the Gorman lady.
So now we know what the spiders mean.
I thought that was really interesting.
Right.
Yeah.

(39:27):
That's true.
Yeah.
During the trailer.
Yeah.
And the, or the, uh, sorry, the drawings of the paintings on the wall, remember on
the ceiling and stuff.
Yeah.
So that, that makes a lot more sense now that Gorman is like, you know, they're spider centric
over there.
Yeah.
They probably have their own Spider-Man.
Makes sense.
Um.
That's so terrible.
Tom Holland forever.

(39:48):
Yeah.
Uh, all right.
So, uh, so yeah, uh, Cyril, Cyril has an interesting thing to say about, you know, when he, when
he, when he speaks to Leo about, you know, his job on Gorman, he's like, it is my honor,
sir.
You know, it's like, this is the best day of my life.
Yeah.
And he's like, so stoked to be on like a covert Imperial mission.

(40:09):
And he just talked to the head of the ISB.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a big dog.
I know.
I love how much he cringes when he says it would be our honor.
And it's like, what?
Like this was a pathetic assignment.
Like what a waste of time.
I put you on it because I don't think anything of you.
And then he walks away and he, the guy just shrinks into himself.
Like, why would I say that?
Oh, you mean the ISB guys?

(40:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I guess he's had that a lot.
A lot of people have told him, Oh, it's my honor to do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah.
That's a, that's good stuff.
Um, okay.
So saw just straight up killed Plutie.
Right.
And I was like, I was thinking to myself like, man, was there any tells he was, I have
no idea.
Cover.
Yeah.

(40:52):
Okay.
Did anyone have any kind of suspicion about him or anything?
Like any inkling at all that, that this guy was thing was maybe he was trying to get
the extra information of where it's going to be ahead of time.
But other than that, I didn't notice anything.
Yeah.
The way he tries to get the information from saw when they're having that little sit
down coffee, that was the moment where I'm like, Oh, he might be a plant because like,

(41:16):
he's clearly nervous asking for the information.
You know, maybe I could narrow down the combination.
I need to remember if I were to know exactly where we're going.
And like, he's looking down and he's self soothing in his body language and whatnot.
And in that moment, I was like, Oh, this guy really doesn't want to ask this question.
So you, you, you caught onto that like way faster than me.

(41:38):
Cause I, I just kind of thought like, Oh, well, you know, it was one of those conversations
that, that, that they always have, or it's a need to know basis, you know, and it's just
kind of giving me the idea, like, Hey, this is how the rebels operate in this time.
Right.
I had no idea that they were intending it to be a conversation that was hinting at the
fact that he was actually not a rebel at all.
I don't know for sure that he was an Imperial guy, but what really shocked me was whether

(42:03):
he's an Imperial or not, that saw answered really shocked me.
Yeah.
I didn't think you would either, but then we learned later.
I think Bob had planned that either way, what to tell this guy in advance.
I think he wanted to suck in Lufin's tech into his people.
Like that he really wanted that guy specifically and whether or not his own man was an Imperial
spy or not doesn't matter.

(42:25):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That, that really shocked me when he killed the other guy.
I was at first I was, cause it kind of blindsided me as to like, why?
Right.
And then, and then he pulls out that little communicator and I was like, Oh, like, dang.
I was like, Oh dang.
What do you guys think of Lufin visiting Biggs?
I thought he was at first checking in on her cause he knew she was having some like

(42:47):
mental health issues, flashbacks and stuff.
He found the drugs, the sleeping stuff.
He knew where it was before he walked in.
He walked straight over to it.
Yeah.
I, at that point I had assumed the room was probably bugged to some degree.
Absolutely.
Or at least watched.
Oh, just when, when I was first watching it, I got a cold feeling in my stomach.
Cause I was just like, either this is the most humanity he's ever shown or this is a total

(43:09):
play.
And then you find out later that it's probably a play.
It left a kind of ambiguous, or at least maybe I'd missed something.
I can see tying to the very last scene of the sixth episode.
We can talk to them about that later.
But other than that, like, I didn't overtly see anything that seemed to minute manipulative
of him being there.
At least personally.

(43:30):
What about like, he didn't want her to tell and or that he was there and whatnot.
Like there was, there's multiple layers of that either.
So he was, it sounded like he was testing her to see if she would bring it up.
No, but he wanted to see if he had compartmentalization between them and what Andor would do if
he did get the information.
Right.
There was, we did see the, uh, the Yeti guy again.

(43:51):
Yeah.
The big, uh, yeah.
Saw's Yeti.
Yeah.
I forget the guy's name.
Yeah.
Big Gatling gun.
Yeah.
That was cool.
That's cool.
We also have four tubes now.
That's right.
Yeah.
It's actually the end of episode five that, uh, Saul does that speech with the guy where
he's like, you, you're here.
You're here.

(44:12):
You're here now.
You're here.
You're right here.
That's right.
Yeah.
That's what we're going to talk about.
And you're ready to fight.
Yeah.
And I thought that was so funny because he, after the kid like sets the explosives, he's
got the mask on everything and saw doesn't have anything on.
He's just breathing in the fumes that like burns your insides that convinces the kid to
do it.
And I find it really funny because when we see him in the rogue one, he's got the breathing

(44:36):
apparatus.
Yeah.
That poor kid.
Well, something that I noticed about that scene is when the scene starts, his entire crew
is standing on the platform.
But by the end of that scene, it's just the two of them standing there when he opens the
channel, that machine that they, that they opened the tube with at first, I thought that

(44:57):
was some kind of like extractor to get the materials out.
It's basically just a glorified droid.
When you actually look at it at the end of that scene, all it does is unlock it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So is it using that burning fluid to open the door, like melt through it or something?
No, no.
It's more like an R port that the astromechs use.
It's just like a complicated version of it that it's, it's like a combination lock more

(45:20):
than anything.
Oh, you're talking about the side angle.
We look at the, I think kind of the idea of that mechanism that he was teaching.
Um, what's his face to use?
Uh, Plutie.
Uh, yeah.
Booty.
Um, like when he was teaching Plutie how to use that, like, I, I was trying to think
like, okay, is that cause we know, you know, Wilman's, um, he's like an explosives guy,
right?

(45:41):
He holds bombs and whatnot.
Um, but he's all, he also knows a lot of other stuff.
And so I was thinking to myself, like, what is, what is this thing exactly?
Right.
But yeah, it's basically like if you watch any heist movie where they use one of those
like drills to like drill through a vault door, it to me, it kind of, yeah, like a
safe cracker.
It kind of, it kind of reminded me of like a very high tech safe cracker with multiple

(46:04):
ways of cracking different types of locks.
Right.
And because they have to safely siphon a rhidonium, which is incredibly toxic and dangerous and
flammable and explosive, you know, like everything that they have to do to do to perform this
extraction in a locked, you know, pressurized compartment, I would imagine is very hard to
do.

(46:25):
So, uh, they do need someone who knows what they're doing.
They do need someone who knows how to use this piece of machinery.
Um, they need somebody to know how to use it as well as familiar with the lock mechanism
that, you know, the rhidoniums inside.
Right.
Uh, so yeah, but I, I, I thought that last scene there with him and saw just kind of
broing out there, breathing in rhidonium and essentially like having a nice rido smoke outside

(46:49):
in the rain.
I was like, what is happening here?
Like, I don't know.
I was so confused with that.
Like, what is that?
What does that mean?
Like, I don't know.
I think we were seeing saw's ability to inspire people to his cause.
Yeah.
Part of it.
It was a good explanation of where saw was between clone wars and rebels.
Yeah.
He's like losing his mind more.

(47:10):
And he referenced, uh, when they were in the forest of under on, which I think we see
with the bad batch, right?
Yes.
When he was saying, right.
Yeah.
He's so different, right?
Like if you look at that version of saw and now you look at saw right now, it is like
a total, you know, it's been like, uh, at this point now it's been 16, 16, seven.
Yeah.

(47:31):
16 years, you know, since we last saw him in the bad batch.
Uh, and so it, you know, it's like, he's a different guy.
Like he's a changed guy and he is living doing underground warfare for 16 years.
Yeah.
Like his body has been replaced in numerous spots.
Like he's, they say, you know, and they say, you know, war changes people.
Right.
And, and, you know, a lot of the wars that have changed a lot of people have not lasted

(47:56):
16 years.
Right.
People that are alive right now and not since the hundred year war.
Yeah.
So it's like, man, like I can't imagine like what this guy has like gone through what he's
had to do to survive, to be who he is known to be, you know, which is, uh, the guy who
the rebels Alliance separate from because of his ways.
Right.

(48:17):
Um, but he is clearly morality.
Yeah.
But he is also clearly the kind of guy that somebody can listen to and believe in, you
know, like what he knows, what he is passionate about, why he needs to fight the empire, why
he does what he does is a reason that he has his partisans.
Right.
And, um, I think it's a different type of fuel in itself as to why somebody would fight

(48:41):
the empire as a rebel, then the kind of speech that Luthan would deliver to say like Lonnie,
right?
Like it's a different type of angle as to like, you know, okay.
One of them is like very rageful.
And the other one is, is, you know, calculated, very calculated.
Very.
Yeah.
Um, and they're both depressed.
I wouldn't get, like saw is definitely a psycho, but he basks in the glory.

(49:03):
That's, that's his major motivation is that he loves the madness and the chaos and watching
the empire burn.
I think he might've been a terrorist if it hadn't been for the empire, because he's
always been an extremist who's, who's enjoyed the battle and putting himself in the most chaotic
situation.
Yeah.

(49:24):
I mean, ever since he, like this, this all started with his story when his sister died.
Yeah.
So he is a man that is fueled by rage.
And that was fighting the separatists in Onderon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like, even when his sister and him first joined the guerrilla warfare on that planet,
even then he's a psycho that's trying to put himself in the most dangerous situations.
His sister just created the first madness and gave him justification.

(49:49):
I don't quite agree with that.
I feel like he was very competitive.
Competitive.
Yeah.
Competitive is the word I would use too.
Cause he really wanted to be.
He wanted to be the leader.
Yeah.
He wanted to be the leader.
And maybe this goes, maybe it ties back to what you're saying earlier,
Darian, where he really wanted the glory.
Yeah.
Like not nearly for the going after it in the same way.
Yeah.

(50:10):
That is where I mean, like it all, it all ties back to, he basks in the glory at every moment
that he can, but it's not like a, an adrenaline thing.
It's, it's, it's like a weird ego.
Yeah.
That can never be.
I think I agree with that.
Definitely a bit of an ego to saw.
Right.
And, uh, sure.
That's what got his sister killed in the first place.

(50:31):
Yes.
Yeah.
And also we've seen that ego come out with him and in rebels as well.
Like when, uh, small conversations, you know, when he's talking with either Ezra and Sabine
or, or whoever else, and, uh, it's just the way that he goes about things and, you know,
his little chuckle and his, his, uh, um, his humorous jokes that he kind of, he, he, he

(50:53):
makes these like jokes that are filled with, with his truth in them.
Right.
Uh, how he perceives things.
And, and, um, yeah, like it's, he, he's a, he's a messed up guy, you know, by the
time we see him in this, in this show.
And, and, um, um, and then by the time we see him in rogue one, he is just burned out.
You know, that's the, that's the saw that is done with life.

(51:16):
Right.
He is ready to just not give up, but he's, he knows he can't be the guy that can, that
has to keep this fight going.
Right.
Just taking a moment.
So when, when he rescues Jin as a child, yeah, that was probably before he started going
like too crazy.
Yeah.
That would have been very early in the empire existing.
I think, I think that was like maybe five years or something after, um, the empire,

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the empire began.
Yeah.
Something around there.
I forget exactly when that flashback takes place, but you know, Jin's already, um, you
know, 10 or something like that.
Right.
I forget how old she is exactly.
But, um, by the time rogue one comes around, you know, that's like, okay.
Yeah.
She's like late twenties, mid twenties, something around there.
Something around there.
Right.
So yeah.

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And he's less kind of lost his mind back then.
So I would think so.
Cause I feel like she would have picked up on it and not remembered him, uh, in such
high standard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, you know, like leading into that moment later in, in rogue one with saw
kind of being that, that, that last moment with Jin, you know, save the rebellion.
That's right.
Save the dream.
What?

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I will run.
No, no longer.
Yeah.
I like that.
I like that.
You see a full night ramping up as the time goes on too.
So we, when we're on Coruscant with Cyril's mom and she has the television on and that
show was just like straight out of the holiday special.
Oh yeah, for sure.
Those ridiculous wigs.
Variety style.
Yeah.

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Just like super like seven days.
Good morning America.
Yeah.
Oh man.
Oh yeah.
I thought was an interesting lighting choice.
Whenever you see Cyril's mom, she's sitting in a direct over light with the entire rest
of the apartment is blacked out.
That's true.
Almost, almost kind of noir.
Yeah.
All right.
Uh, let's get into this final episode here.
It's called what a festive evening.

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Uh, Cassian insists that Gorman's rebels are unprepared and argues with Luthan upon learning
that he attempted to persuade Bix to return to action.
Luthan chastises him for his short sighted vision and instead sends Vel and Sinta to help
the Gorman rebels pull off the heist.
Vel and Sinta fully reconcile and rekindle their romance.

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The heist is a success, but Sinta is accidentally killed by one of the fighters, much to Vel's
despair.
Uh, at the, uh, investiture party, Krennic and Mon Mothma calmly debate between themselves
and a group of other people there.
Meanwhile, Clea manages to extract the bug using Jung as a, or Jung Lonnie, right?

(53:49):
As a distraction.
Bix and Cassian break into, uh, Dr. Gorst's new office on Coruscant and they kill him using
his own torture method and then blow up the place.
So that was really cool.
Let's start with the beginning though.
I guess, uh, you know, we had a bit of an argument between Cassian and Luthan.
I don't know.
I'm sure Darian, you have probably something to say about that.

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Not too much.
It was a pretty straightforward exchange for between them, which is weird.
Cause normally they're the ones that are talking in metaphors, but Luthan doesn't accept
his answer, which I thought was interesting.
Cause we've seen him trust and or up to this point and he's just outright like, no, these
people are not worth the risk.
Whereas Luthan just pushes past it anyways, despite this warning.

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I think Luthan is getting lost in the big picture and starting to just see people as
strategy and not as individuals, which I feel like happens.
Luthan can control at this point.
I think he speaks to that, right?
He feels like he's losing control to what's going on.
Yeah.
They have a conversation at some point in this arc where he says, uh, that he feels like
they're drowning because now there's so much, um, so many parameters that he feels like

(54:55):
he has to control that it's now getting a little too overwhelming for him and Clea to
just operate as they have been this entire time.
Right.
Like it's been manageable up until this point and now too much is happening.
They're like, too many things to keep straight.
Too many, too many bugs, too many microphones, too many leaks, too many people that could,
you know, like get captured and they might know too much, you know, like there's too much

(55:18):
going on and it's like, he feels like he's drowning.
And so I liked that conversation a lot.
He also throws the laughing that Andor said to him in season one back in his face during
this conversation.
Mm hmm.
Take me in or kill me.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
Matt, how would you like the, uh, the, uh, the Velsinta going to Gorman, you know, filling

(55:40):
in for Andor and then things get messed up really bad.
Like, like, what did you like about this?
Um, uh, this, uh, like how this transpired, um, the heist, of course, you know, like Cyril
reporting how things are going to the empire.
Like, what did you think of all that?
I thought it was, I thought it was kind of cool that Cassian, well, Cassian was like,
no, I don't want nothing to do with it.
And he already saw like where it was going to go.
Things are going to go south.

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And I like, he brought up, get a good, um, interesting point about that.
They're feeding him.
It's possibly feeding him misinformation on purpose.
Mm hmm.
That's exactly what they were doing.
Right.
And he caught onto that right away.
Right.
So something stunk to him by sending them to into it.
I was like, uh, it's funny though, too.
Cause if he would have just asked for information on that contact, you might have figured out

(56:25):
it was Cyril.
Yeah.
Cause like admittedly, I guess I forgot.
Yeah.
Cause Cyril was determined to capture Cassian.
I thought something was going to happen.
And then to Cassian bail and then the two other girls replaced him.
Cause I was waiting for the interaction where they both have to pretend that they don't
know each other.
Cause they were both going to be in this heist.

(56:47):
That was, that was like, I was expecting that to happen and it didn't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They could have crossed over across paths, but yeah, it didn't happen.
Yeah.
Close call though.
Um, that could be cool too.
Yeah.
He would know who he is.
Yeah.
I thought that too, when she jumped off her cool, like leaping off the building move
and then planning like the deconator onto the transporter and then jumping off and then

(57:08):
pretty cool.
That was a really cool sequence.
Yeah.
The electric mines and stuff.
That was cool.
Yeah.
Kind of like in revenge of the stuff, um, how they, that wiki did it.
I thought that was pretty cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I thought this whole heist really put it into perspective with the whole, um, the meaning
behind, uh, uh, what it means to make a mistake in war, you know, and how it can

(57:29):
cost lives.
Right.
And so, especially with greens.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally.
What they're doing because Val and Sinta, you know, they have that whole conversation.
Like we're going to be the only ones with guns.
The rest of you follow orders or get out now.
Right.
And then of course they can't.
And of course he's, you know, he's like, you know, complete dummy, man.
He brings a weapon and he threatens just some guy, random guy in the street.

(57:50):
And it's like, dude, like, what are you doing?
And then he shoots Sinta or whatever.
Right.
I was like, like what?
Like, dude.
Yeah.
Or Sinta.
Well, you know, that was great too.
That was great too.
At the end when she was, when she was like, no, you look at me.
Are you crying?
No, you look at me.
Yeah.
Look at me.
Yeah.
That was a great thing.
Oh, you're going to live with this for the rest of your life.
Yeah.
You know, you know, it's funny.

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They've mentioned that in the declassified, they said, you know, Sinta probably was once
upon a time, the kind of person that would have just shot the kid.
Right.
He knows now it's actually worse for her to just drill it into his head.
That this is, this is something he's got to live with for the rest of his life.
Yeah.
That he murdered.
Daily torture.
Yeah.
So she's not just speaking to him in that moment though.

(58:33):
She, that is a, that speech is as much for herself as it is for that boy.
Cause she's trying not to cry in that moment.
Yeah.
And, and when she's like, her eyes keep these focal things, it's, she's blaming herself
because she put her girlfriend on that mission, said, I won't do this mission without her.
There are several callbacks to the conversation in the cafe when they first arrived that in

(58:56):
that speech, like that, that speech is as much for her as it is for that dude.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Very well done.
Very like, again, like just another great example of like, this show is just a very well
written.
Right.
They're well casted too.
Yeah.
Pack that out.
So believably.
Yeah.
She was, you killed a warrior, right?
She's not just anybody.
She's a warrior, but you've just killed.

(59:18):
Yeah.
All those that are, you know, on the heist and it kills one of the two people that were
there to help.
Yeah.
It just, it's just pretty unlucky as a viewer, you know, the story that they're giving
you is the, you know, all you're left with is what a waste.
Yeah.
Right.
And that's the feeling that you get when you watch it is like, what a waste that was.

(59:40):
You can, I feel like you can feel that when you're in the transport as a driving note
too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The investiture party was very tense.
Uh, we saw the recasting of bail organa.
Jimmy Smith says, um, he was unable to play bail due to a scheduling conflict.
And this is something that Tony Gilroy, uh, he didn't flat out say who it was or what

(01:00:03):
character it was back at celebration Japan.
But he did give us the heads up that they did have to recast a major legacy character.
Yeah.
Um, which really blows because I had to look up if he died.
No.
Cause he was in Obi Wan Kenobi.
Yeah.
Very recently.
So like he's played the character in everything.
Yeah.

(01:00:24):
He's been in every, he's been in episode three, episode two, you know, Obi Wan
Kenobi.
Like it's like unreal.
Like he's, he's, he is bail organa.
And yet they, they, they felt that the character was so necessary to have in this show that they
had to recast the role to, to tell the story they wanted to tell.
Now, so far I have not seen enough of the character to really feel that way that it was necessary,

(01:00:49):
but I do believe they are bringing him back, uh, for a much larger role in the next story
arc in the next three episodes.
Um, and that's something that I think they dropped a hint about in the declassified this
past week.
Uh, but, uh, just a heads up there.
So, you know, um, we'll see more of them.
Benjamin Bratt is the new care is the new actor who plays, um, who plays bail.

(01:01:11):
Uh, but I just, I don't know.
It was really, uh, it was really, I was really hoping that wouldn't happen.
Um, and I, I do remember thinking when we watched season one, when we did see, um, uh, Mon,
you know, quite a lot.
And, uh, I remember thinking like, oh, I wonder if we'll ever get Jimmy Smith.
And then of course, Obi Wan Kenobi was also out and Jimmy Smith was in that.
And, and so, you know, to me, it was like, it makes sense if he shows up and he didn't.

(01:01:35):
And then now here we are a couple of years later, season two rolls out and Jimmy Smith
has been recast.
And I guess it's just one of those conversations that it's like, it's a bigger conversation,
I guess, is like, sometimes the recasting is kind of, I guess, essential, you know,
like, I mean, more recently, the big hot topic is, uh, as, um, you know, Ahsoka, right?

(01:01:57):
Like, uh, you know, we lost, uh, Ray, Ray Stevenson.
And, and so, you know, getting, uh, um, I forget his last name, but Rory, um, to play,
uh, um, what's, what's the character's name again?
Uh, I'm sorry.
I'm blanking.
Yeah.
Balen, Balen.
So like, you know, that's, that's the, um, there's a bit of a debate there as like,
it's like, okay, well either we have to recast or we write the character out.

(01:02:18):
Yeah.
And when it's such a good character that we really don't want to get rid of them,
like write them out of the story.
When it comes to recasting, like Balen, uh, it's, it's unfortunate that it has to happen,
but you know, in order to tell a story, it kind of needs to happen.
Right.
And, um, and I feel like recasting when in star Wars is a much bigger deal than other,
uh, cinematic universes.

(01:02:40):
Like Marvel's done a few times with a few different characters and, you know, Harry Potter has had
to do it with like Dumbledore.
When he passed away.
Yeah.
You know, yeah.
That still bothers me.
Cause I liked the original.
Yeah.
Like I liked both actors, but I thought the original actor portrayed the Dumbledore in
the books better.
Yeah.
And you know, it, it's, it's one of those things is like, I guess when you have a series

(01:03:02):
of movies based on like a, you know, a continuity of, it's just, it kind of takes you out of
it, you know what I mean?
And I think to me, like, I guess the important thing with star Wars actors and kind of them
not having, not recasting intentionally and, and, and working around not being able to
use an actor, um, really is kind of the most important when you look at episode nine and

(01:03:23):
you know, they did not have Carrie Fisher anymore.
Right.
They wrote that movie around not having Carrie Fisher anymore because they didn't want to
recast that role.
Right.
And I think like, maybe they just didn't think that the role of bail was as important that
they were like, Oh, we'll recast it.
But like center or gun is not princess Leia.
I said like, yeah, or Ghana definitely could have, he didn't.

(01:03:46):
And that part was so small when he does it like little cameo real quick.
It's not awaited.
Right.
They didn't need him in there in that moment.
Yeah.
For this, this episode for this episode.
Yeah.
But that's why I think like, they're definitely going to bring it back and they'll be a larger
role.
If they don't, I'm going to be annoyed.
I will.
I will be very annoyed if they don't, if he's got to be in the main character, a solid episode
for them.
And it's got to be damn good.

(01:04:07):
If, if they're, if they're going to recast a role like this, you know, because like
to me, Jimmy Smith has been playing bail or Ghana for over 20 years.
Right.
Yes.
True.
Like that's, that's, you know, like, yeah, he's not princess Leia, but he's been bail
or Ghana for over 20 years and he hasn't really aged.
So he still looks the same.
Yeah.
He was in rogue one episode two episode three, you know, like Obi-Wan, you know, he's played

(01:04:33):
a character in four different massive titles and it's like, okay, this better be worth
it because the actor is still around.
He's still alive.
It was just a timing thing.
You know, like you just, when it comes to star Wars, you just make it work.
You know, I like, I just couldn't believe that they couldn't make it work.
Yeah.
Do you like pick up shots at some point or something?
Yeah.
Or just, it is weird.
Right.

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So I don't know.
It better be a really good story for me to be okay with the recasting.
Cause now it's like, okay, well what happens when you need bail again?
Cause they're going to need bail again.
You know, like he's around lots of stories happening in this time period.
What happened now?
And now who do you cast?
Right.
Who's bailing out?
Random smoke on the street.
You want to be bail for a day?
Come on in.
It's like, yeah, it's like they didn't for Luke Skywalker.
They didn't recast Luke Skywalker to play young Luke Skywalker.

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They, they, they like they had Mark Hamill do the scenes.
Then they had a body double do the scene.
And then they face swap that body double to make it look like Mark Hamill.
Right.
Don't worry with AI.
None of this will be a problem very soon.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
Some fan edit on YouTube.
You're going to save our year.
You're going to save the show.

(01:05:39):
Maybe I'm overreacting, but.
Hashtag save bail or Ghana.
Justice for bail.
Let's bail them out.
There we go.
There we go.
Yeah.
Okay.
Darian, do you have any thoughts on that?
The recasting thing?
At least this.
What's the guy's name?
It was.
That's it.
Benjamin.
Yeah.

(01:06:00):
The new guy.
The new guy is Benjamin.
He actually replaced Jimmy Smith on another TV show back in the nineties.
So at least he's one of these actors that can take, like, he's already replaced the guy
once in one show.
So hopefully he can pick up on the mannerisms and whatnot that bail had before.
And while they don't look that similar, they also look like they could be cousins, maybe

(01:06:21):
distant cousins.
So it's not that bad.
The guy's a pretty good actor.
I do find that really funny.
I didn't know that he replaced him before.
Jimmy Schmidt, uh, Schmidt's probably just like, this guy keeps stealing my jobs.
Yeah.
That is kind of funny how that works out.
That's a bit like, um, uh, what's her name from, uh, uh, what's that movie?

(01:06:44):
13 going on 30, uh, Jennifer Garner.
Uh, there's a girl that plays her 13 year old self, right?
She reprised the role of a young Jennifer Garner in a different role in a different movie
when they needed a younger version of the role that Jennifer Garner was playing.
If that makes sense.
If you can follow that.
Yeah.
It just looks like she could.
Yeah.

(01:07:05):
And they did that like two or three times.
They've done that.
And they've used the same actress that is like, it's like when you cast a lookalike.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
It's, it's pretty, pretty phenomenal.
And yet they didn't cast that guy that looked exactly like Harrison Ford to be in the solo
movie.
I know.
Like, no, but he really nailed, he really nailed some of Harrison's mannerisms and whatnot.
Just like the kid who did it in Looper.

(01:07:27):
No, I agree with that.
Yeah.
That's true.
Yeah.
I'm not saying before solo came out.
Like after, after I've always said this, like after about 15, 20 minutes, like Alden sold
it.
Sold it for me.
Um, but, uh, but I'm still like different enough that in the trailers and everything's
like a little hesitant.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah, that other guy though, he was a solid choice.

(01:07:49):
Yeah.
Cause like they had him.
But at the same time we don't know his acting chops, but yeah, he just looked like exactly
Harrison.
Yeah.
I asked him though for the young Harrison role in, uh, Age of Adeline.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I watched that movie and, and, uh, how were his chops?
It was great.
He, he, he did a great job.
Like he, he, he convinced me as a young Harrison Ford.
I was like, man, this guy's got it.

(01:08:10):
Like, I don't know how he didn't get the job connections, but I mean, Alden's a great
actor.
So like, you know, Alden was recommended by Spielberg.
So the party was, uh, was, was tense.
You know, Krennic shows up, Luthen's there, you know, you get the heads of the re the rebellion
and essentially the people that kind of lead to Krennic's downfall and his death.
Um, you know, because of who he is and what he's doing.

(01:08:32):
And, uh, they're all in the same room and they're having like some very quippy political
debate as they're looking at some art.
And Clay is, meanwhile, she's like tugging on this thing, trying to get the microphone
off.
I thought the whole sequence was very, like very well paced, super well, uh, uh, you
know, well done, very tense.
Um, how'd you guys like that whole, that whole ending to that episode?

(01:08:53):
I could feel the tension in the room, which I thought was really well done.
I kind of wanted to smack the ISP officer cause he never followed her instructions.
And it's like, your life depends on this moment and you express that to her and you're still
not following her orders.
I think he's very skeptical because his bosses are in the room.
Like I wonder, why is he talking to this girl?
Like, and not part of the group, like doing their own thing.

(01:09:14):
It was pretty suspicious.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is.
Yeah.
Uh, and then the episode of course ended off with Bix and Cassian going into Gorse's office,
killing him, blowing it up.
Like, you know, a little tagged on for me.
I liked it a lot.
I thought it was great.
I enjoyed it, but I was caught off guard when it started happening.

(01:09:35):
I feel like it came out of nowhere.
See to me, and I think they talked about this in the declassified.
Um, but it was more than just revenge, you know, like for her, it was a way to try and
like move on from, yeah, for sure.
From the nightmare.
Yeah.
Because now that she has the, uh, the kind of like a bookend to what happened.

(01:09:56):
Cause now this guy's he's dead.
He's gone.
He's not gonna be able to come back and do it again.
She's never been in that place again.
And now he knows, she knows that he knows now in his final moments that he knows what it's
like to, to be under that, that incredible torture method.
Right.
And very justified because earlier in this season, they talked about replicating his particular

(01:10:17):
methods elsewhere in the galaxy.
Well, I think they were going to move him up from being an ISB interrogation person to
something that has his own department in the empire.
Yeah.
So I don't know what's going to happen with that.
Yeah.
Pretty crazy because like, maybe that could have changed things and how they, you know,
how they dealt with rebels.
Yeah.
Right.
Right.

(01:10:38):
How they interrogate stuff.
That might've been Leia on the death star.
Yeah.
Instead of the, the interrogation droid.
Exactly.
Or how they interrogate Han Solo with that electrocution like thing.
Like I don't know what that is.
They didn't even ask him any questions.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's pretty nuts to think like, oh man, like if this guy
hadn't been for, I mean, he first, he was tortured, but like, of course he got blown

(01:11:02):
up with the rest of that building and all it's, you know, the tech in there, the research.
Blow you up.
Boom.
It makes you wonder like, oh, nobody else was taught how to do this.
All of his stuff was in there.
Like maybe they just can't replicate it.
That's what I was wondering.
So was he like the only guy?
I think so.
I feel like the empire would have information on the tech.
Cause it was his thing.
It was his thing.
It was like an experimental thing that he kind of came up with.

(01:11:24):
I think that's why it's like, he's pretty sure it would be like war crimes.
So that, you know, it was a place that they weren't supposed to be and they exterminated
an entire race of people and recorded it.
And now are using the recordings of genocide to torture other people.
Like that's a, even for the empire, that's maneuvering pretty safely to get that going.

(01:11:48):
Yeah, definitely.
Um, all right.
Well, did anyone else, when they were in the Senate doing the pledge of allegiance thing,
did anybody else think that they were watching halo for a moment?
It did feel a bit like that, especially because maybe, maybe this is why.
Cause I felt like the guy who was leading the Senate, the new alien race.
He looked very halo-y.
He looked like a brute from halo.
Oh, see, I was thinking profit.

(01:12:10):
But he looks exactly like the profit of regret.
Okay.
I can see that too.
Just with jowls.
Yeah.
Well, he had jowls and the long earlobes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a really good point, actually.
Yeah.
You know why you stand before us.
All right.
Last, last calls for, uh, for this episode.
And then we'll wrap things up.
If anyone has anything else.

(01:12:31):
Um, I thought it was interesting that the Zane, the character that he was the guy in
the Gorman underground yelling on the podium and they were like, let somebody else speak.
He's the guy that pushes through the young guy with the blaster during the heist.
And he's like, if that's real, I'm going to shove it up your ass.
Basically.
And then he's the one that picks up the dead girl and takes her up to the transport.

(01:12:55):
He's like, here, let me, I can, I can get her.
And they just accept him.
Nobody's like, no, get out of here.
You're the reason she's dead or anything.
They're just like, okay.
Yeah.
They did stand out a bit to me because like, he seemed concerned to what was going on.
And then after the confrontation, the blaster went off.
He was just, all of that was forgotten.
And then he just was almost just a part of what they were doing.

(01:13:16):
Yeah.
I think it's because most of the Gorman rebels have this like romanticized idea of what everything
is like, even how they try to recruit Cyril is that the dude is like hitting on him in a way that you'd expect him to be hitting on some young girl.
And he's trying to seduce him.
And then he's being all suave and using these lines and stuff.
And I remember thinking like, that's the weirdest way to recruit somebody into joining your rebel movement.

(01:13:42):
It's because they're based on the French.
That's how they do things.
It's a romantic language.
And then the same guy, when he talks in the meeting, he's, he's doing the same thing.
He's romanticizing, like, oh, we're, we know what we're doing and we're, you know, we can have blasters and everything.
We, and, uh, my last cousin shoots him down.
It's like, don't even think, don't talk because you've demonstrated you can't.

(01:14:05):
Hmm.
Yeah.
100%.
And then of course he's the weak link.
He probably shouldn't have been on that mission.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He should have stayed behind.
All right.
On the wonder of them building the crate off of the transport and sliding it down the sewer grate onto the back of the truck.
That was a beautiful shot.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
That was, that was very cool.
How they did that.

(01:14:26):
Um, yeah.
All right.
Uh, let's wrap things up here.
Um, but, uh, uh, yeah, we gotta, we gotta do public points.
Poodo's.
Then I got like something to say right after that.
Just, uh, two real quick things.
All right.

(01:14:47):
It's public points and Poodo's.
We already went over the score, uh, how a system and how it works.
So when, uh, Matt read off his public points, Poodo's for the first three episodes earlier.
Um, but, uh, just a quick reminder, Pablo Poodo's three is the worst for the worst.
And three Pablo points is the best of the best.
And everything in between is what it is been doing the middle.

(01:15:09):
Uh, so we'll start with, uh, with you, Matt.
Um, uh, what would you give this story arc?
And we're going to give like a, a singular score for all three.
So maybe take the worst, um, score that you would award to one of the three episodes and
take the best of, uh, of the three and then just kind of average it out.
Uh, probably I'm getting like a two, two Pablo, two Pablo's, two Pablo.

(01:15:37):
All right.
Okay.
So you liked it 0.5 less than the first arc.
Uh, but I loved, I think I loved episode six though.
I love six.
Yeah.
Let's, let's bump it up a little bit.
All right.
All right.
All right.
Uh, 2.5 then for the, for the, for the arc or, or, um, I'm going to say 2.7.

(01:16:00):
2.7.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I only got 2.5 on my sheet here.
So, uh, we'll go with, we'll go 2.5, uh, with honors.
Uh, all right.
All right.
Darian.
What, what would you give this?
Uh, 2.125.
So two and eight, 2.125.
2.125.
All right.

(01:16:21):
Uh, okay.
So we're going to round down.
Uh, so you were at a, you're at a straight two for the whole season so far.
Um, uh, Blake, what would you give this?
I'm, I'm feel like I like this arc better than the first arc.
Okay.
But the first two episodes were really building into the third.
Yeah.
So I'm going to, I think I'll go with two and three eights.

(01:16:47):
Two and three eights.
Okay.
So that is rounding, rounding up to like what?
2.5.
I feel like it would round up.
It's closer to that.
Yeah.
Two and three eights.
Four eights is two and a half.
Yeah.
It's a 0.325.

(01:17:08):
Okay.
So 2.5.
So you like this 0.5.
I work an eighth of all day on the beer.
All right.
Okay.
So you like this one more than last week's by 0.5.
I think so.
I felt like I was more invested.
All right.
This arc.
Okay.
All right.
Um, yeah.
So, uh, I, I gave 2.5 for the first arc.
Um, but, uh, you know, for this one, for me, I like, I, I really enjoyed this one.

(01:17:33):
Um, but I think I'm going to give it two because even though I liked it a lot, um, the recasting
kind of irked me.
I'm not going to lie.
That's fair.
And, uh, and I feel like as great as the story arc was, a lot of the meat kind of happened
in the third, at least a lot of the action, you know, a lot of, a lot of like the big
things.
And even though the buildup was fantastic through the first two, um, it, it did.

(01:17:56):
This is where I kind of got stuck.
It did run a bit slower.
Whereas like the other arc, uh, from last week had that tension in the middle with that
rebel cell that was stranded.
Right.
Because of that, I felt like the first arc ended each episode with like a, at least a
bit of a cliffhanger.
Yes.
Whereas this one, it was really just to lead up.
Yep.
Yep.
And I was going back and forth in my head about the same thing.
And I actually think I prefer this, uh, just because I feel like it feels more cinematic.

(01:18:21):
Yeah.
I think that's the main thing.
Cause if they're trying to end with a cliffhanger, every episode, it just, I feel like it.
It makes it feel too episodic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's fair.
Just did like one solid story.
Uh, Kirk did have some scores here.
Uh, he said 1.5, 1.5, and then a two.
So I think what we're going to do is we're going to just, I guess we're, we're just going

(01:18:44):
to round down, uh, for, or round, uh, yeah, we're going to round down on average.
I think, uh, it's probably closer to the 1.5 mark.
So he's got 1.5 for this whole arc.
I guess we can hear from him next week as to kind of the inner, the inside thoughts.
And, uh, I mean, what the heck, like we can always change a score later if he changes
his mind, but, um, that's a huge drop off.
That's one whole problem.

(01:19:05):
Yeah.
Cause he was at 2.5 for the first arc.
So I think him and I are kind of on sync with preferring last week's over this week's,
but, um, but yeah, it's, it's doing well.
Uh, Nick is probably going to give this one like two Pablo poodoo is no doubt.
Uh, man, that guy must've ate some bad lunch or something.
He's poodooing all over the place.
I know he's bringing down the team average.
Um, it's, it's, I love seeing like, I love seeing the spreadsheet and like how it's all

(01:19:30):
laid out.
So again, podcast archives in the links below, but, um, but it's so funny like to see, you
know, everyone's names across everything and kind of seeing like who didn't like what.
Um, I, I find, uh, I find some of the things that like AJ, for example, like he, he liked,
uh, some things that everyone didn't like and then didn't like things that everyone else

(01:19:51):
liked, you know, like, it's just like funny how, how everyone's opinions are so, uh, uh,
polarizing at times.
Yeah.
But I feel like he also speaks like Yoda.
So he's kind of backwards and everything.
What?
Or it doesn't.
No, but it would be fair.
Everyone, everyone listening at home is like, man, who, who is AJ?
Yeah.
Who, who is AJ again?
Like, what does he sound like Yoda?

(01:20:12):
Like what?
Yeah.
And AJ at home.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Actually.
We have a recording from AJ.
Yeah.
A pod for you.
Podcast.
You see, good podcast.
Star Wars escape pod is the pod for you.
That's the one.
Leave a review and may the force be with you.
Thanks, AJ.
Thanks, AJ.

(01:20:33):
Appreciating the man.
Uh, he's never going to hear this.
I don't think.
Probably not.
Hopefully he laughs.
Um, all right.
So, um, okay.
So that's it for the, that's it for and or season two guys.
Uh, real quick.
Two of four.
Uh, the season.
Yeah.
Season two, part two of four.
So we got two more ahead of us and a real quick mention because, uh, it does happen

(01:20:54):
to be, uh, May 4th in a few days.
That's right.
Uh, normally we do typically try to do a May 4th special episode.
We just talk about all the deals for like 30 minutes.
It's become a tradition.
We got to talk about all the merch sales, all the game sales, but, uh, this was originally
intended to be a kind of a May 4th pair it up with and or kind of thing.

(01:21:17):
And then I thought that that would have been just way too long.
So, uh, if we get around to it, we will do one.
If we don't get around to it, we wish you a very happy May 4th to everybody out there,
you know, um, and in honor of, uh, just in case if we don't do this, uh, real quick,
maybe we can just go around and, uh, share your plans for May 4th or, or if you don't
have any plans, uh, what the best way to celebrate Star Wars day is in your opinion.

(01:21:42):
Uh, Matt, we'll start with you.
Um, so on Saturday, I'm going to go to the, take my girls to the comic shop cause it's
free comic book day, but it's all Star Wars.
Nice.
Sometimes it's just a line.
That's awesome.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Way to start.
Yeah.
And then, um, my other, my oldest daughter's coming down from Nevada, a baby on Sunday

(01:22:04):
and we're just going to binge like the whole trilogy on Sunday.
Nice.
Perfect.
Oh, we're rolling.
Perfect.
All right.
What do you celebrate Star Wars day?
Uh, I'm not a, uh, may the fourth guy.
I'm more of a revenge of the fifth and sick.
Always true.
There are no more, no left.
He's like, he's like, yeah, I'm not much of Christmas, but you know, I'll celebrate boxing

(01:22:27):
day.
He's great.
New year's is awesome.
Yeah.
All right.
What do you do on revenge of the fifth?
Uh, you don't really board games and video games in the Star Wars universe with friends.
Nice.
All right.
Cool.
That's good.
That's a good idea.
Uh, Blake, what about you?

(01:22:48):
What do you, how do you celebrate my fourth?
Uh, Bryce and I are actually going camping on the Saturday, Saturday night.
So we're going to try to watch that out in the woods, watch, watch the Star Wars.
Nice.
And then on the Sunday, which is the fourth, uh, planning to go to a Star Wars event downtown
or the 501st will be at.
All righty.
Very cool.
Uh, that's where you're at too, right?

(01:23:09):
Yeah.
I'm going there too.
Uh, all right.
So, uh, May 4th, uh, happens to be very busy cause, uh, my family had to reschedule Easter.
So we're doing Easter, May 4th and my sister and my brother-in-law's wedding anniversary
is on that day as well.
Uh, we also happen to be celebrating, uh, my nephew's birthday this weekend.
So it is crazy.

(01:23:30):
It's filled with stuff.
So hopefully I've got some time to fit in some May 4th stuff.
You better cut the ham or turkey or whatever you do with a lightsaber.
Yeah.
I mean, if I don't have time to do, uh, to do a celebration with you guys on, on here
on escape pod, then, uh, I might just try and squeeze out an hour or two of, uh, playing
some, uh, Battlefront two, going to dive back into that.

(01:23:51):
And, uh, you know, supremacy and galactic assault, it's picked up a lot recently.
I don't know if it's just the time of day that I was on, but, uh, if anyone goes back
back on that game, uh, there was a coincidentally a few more people playing it this week.
So, uh, that's, that's kind of cool.
Um, don't forget, go to starwars.com, check out the Star Wars day deals, uh, merch page
that they launched out there as well as, uh, some ways to celebrate May 4th.

(01:24:15):
And, uh, yeah, I believe there's sometimes, oh yes, Lego is launching all the new stuff
on May 4th.
If you go to the Lego shop, you can get a, uh, kind of a promo buildable Grogu free
on May 4th.
You can just go there and build that and walk away with it.
Does it look as terrifying as the one that Kirk got?
Uh, no, no, it's not.

(01:24:36):
So, uh, so that's, that's kind of, I meant to ask him about that.
If it was like, I think he's not on tonight because it's just been wearing him down every
night.
He can't sleep.
That thing walks around his house on its own at night.
It's crazy.
Um, but, uh, yeah.
So anyway, um, go and check out all the ways to celebrate May 4th online, you know, go pay

(01:25:00):
starwars.com's YouTube channel a visit today, uh, or yesterday when this episode drops.
Um, and hopefully we get around to doing a celebration at some point.
Uh, that would be really, that would be really cool.
And it'd be really fun.
Uh, other thing is last thing is, uh, I recently guested on another podcast as of, uh, this
past, uh, well launched this past week, uh, on May 1st and, um, it is called, uh, switch

(01:25:26):
to the past.
Uh, it's a Nintendo focused podcast and in celebration of 20 years of revenge of the Sith, um, myself
and the host of that, uh, podcast, Mike is his name, Mike and Neil, uh, cohost that.
Uh, so it was myself and Mike.
We were chatting about the, uh, revenge of the Sith game boy advance game, uh, which
we had both played when we were kids, um, on the game boy.

(01:25:50):
So, uh, so that was really fun.
We had a long chat about that and, uh, it was just their way of celebrating, uh, revenge
of the Sith and also star Wars day, you know, being this weekend.
So, uh, I thought that was really cool for those of you who are in our discourse still,
uh, cause we closed public access.
I've dropped a link in the launch pad, uh, channel.
And, uh, you know, I'll also drop a few more mentions as, uh, kind of the weeks go on.

(01:26:13):
So go and check out Mike's podcast, which is the past.
If you'd like video games, that podcast is also for you.
So, um, yeah, thank you, Matt.
Thank you, Darian.
Thank you, Blake.
We will see you all in a future and or after show episode.
And, uh, I'm looking forward to seeing the outcome of the, of this season.
Yeah.
Me too.

(01:26:34):
Yeah.
One year jumped to me too.
I assume, I guess.
So yeah, I have no idea where we're going to be.
Another, another year, another year forward.
So, uh, yeah, we will, uh, I would definitely, uh, well.
The show progresses through time as fast as it feels like I do.
Every, every week we age another year.
That's right.
Uh, BBY three.

(01:26:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Start measuring my life in BBYs.
Well, we're in the ABY now because if a battle, if you have in was in 1977.
That's true.
That's that's year zero.
So, uh, we're in ABY 48, I think.
Right.
Cause in two years it'll be the 50th anniversary.

(01:27:18):
Oh yeah.
So yeah.
We're in ABY 48.
Like quick maths.
Quick maths.
Smarts.
Math's easier if you just count it with Star Wars.
Yeah, exactly.
No, that's it.
Yeah.
It's not 2025.
It's year 48.
That's right.
It's 48.
Yo.
Makes me feel way less old.
Not really.

(01:27:39):
Okay.
All right.
Thanks guys for, uh, hopping in and, uh, we will catch you in the next one.
May the fourth be with you.
And may the fourth be with you.
Yeah.
All right.
See you out there.
Keep flying.
All right.

(01:28:00):
Thank you all listeners out there.
You are fantastic.
And, uh, we do love seeing, uh, this podcast do well.
Uh, it's a, it's a hobby.
We love talking to, uh, to, to each other.
Uh, we love talking to each other for you.
And, uh, as you know, it is ad free, unmonetized, and, uh, we could use your help spreading the
word about Star Wars escape pod.

(01:28:22):
So more people can just enjoy the show.
So if you want to share the show with a friend, let them know that we're talking about and or these days.
And, uh, you know, your, your, your subscriptions, your follows, your likes, uh, hitting that bell icon on YouTube.
Everything helps, uh, because it helps the algorithms helps people find the show.
And it always, uh, really makes us happy when we see a nice comment come in as to how much, uh, uh, that you're enjoying the show.

(01:28:49):
It always makes me smile.
And I always, always share it with the other guys here on, uh, Star Wars escape pod.
I always take a screenshot.
I post it in the chat.
Um, and I think I'm going to make a dedicated channel for, for doing those.
If we start having more, more of those more frequently.
Um, but, uh, yeah, we love seeing people enjoy the podcast.
It's a, it's a, it's a part of, part of what makes it fun as well.

(01:29:11):
So, uh, so we do appreciate that as well.
Uh, yeah, next two weeks and, or we've got more stuff coming out.
Uh, a book review for the mask of fear reign of the empire series by Alexander free.
It's going to be fun and, uh, more stuff after that, as well as the animated show tales of the underworld coming out this weekend on the fourth.
Look forward to after some as well.

(01:29:33):
All right.
May the force be with you.

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