Andor S2 Aftershow (Part 3/4) | Ghorman Massacre, K2-SO & Mon Mothma's Explosive Exit - Star Wars Escape Pod

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Time to abandon ship!

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Oh no!
Here we go!
Can I persuade you to join us for a drink?
It's a tradition.
Here, here.
Jar Jar, homie, my main man, quickly.
Before the separatists attack, get into the escape holder.

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Hey!
This is escape!
Then we're depart!
This is escape!
Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod and our third part to the Andor After Show.
I'm your host Josh and we have our friends Kirk, Matt, Blake and Darian joining us this week for the penultimate week of Andor Season 2,

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which is already almost done, which is crazy.
So, we are breaking down this week episodes 7, 8 and 9 of Andor Season 2.
We've got notes.
We've got many things.
We've got overlap of Rebels.
We've got Marvel one-shots to talk about.
We've got so much stuff.
So, stay tuned.
We're about to get busy.

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Another happy landing.
All right, welcome back, Blake.

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Hello, hello.
Hello, hello.
I'm very excited for this episode.
We're going to talk about the Tales of the Underworld that just recently came out.
Well, that is definitely something we need to do in the coming weeks.
I was not tracking the release date.
So, I wanted to watch the latest Andor episodes.

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Yeah.
And it was just there like in front.
I could even click on Andor.
It's out.
It's already released.
And I can watch like three more episodes of Andor and then watch this.
Yeah.
It's a good problem to have, but I also don't have that much time right now.
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
But yeah, we will get to that.
We've got, I guess, this week, next week for Andor.
Andor, we got a book called Reign of the Empire the week after that.

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So, that's in two weeks time and then, or three weeks time, something like that.
And then after that, then we will get to the Tales of the Underworld stuff.
Oh, man.
It's a ways out yet.
It's a, yeah.
Yeah.
We got about maybe a month to go.
Because they released it all once?
They did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
So, the last two times that we did Tales of, we just did it by arc.

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So, we did one week.
We did an after show for, like, the, like, say, like, the Ahsoka story.
Yeah.
You know, another week for, like, the Dooku story.
It was Jedi and Sith, right?
And then, yeah, for Tales of the Empire, we did the same thing.
Oh, Empire.
With Barriss and Morgan Elsbeth.
So, yeah, this one should be interesting to talk about, you know, when we get around

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to it.
But, yeah, welcome back to the show, Kirk.
Hello there.
Hello there.
It's good to be back.
And I didn't even realize that Tales was already out.
Suck up, man.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
I thought you were joking, but I just looked and it is out.
No, it's out.
Like, legit.
I've been so caught up with Andor.
Oh.
Yeah, I'm the same way.

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Dude, yeah.
And as a side note to Tales, recently, Kirk and I had a small chat when we were going to
Adventure of the Sith in theaters.
And before we went, I said, I was taking Robin through all of the, well, all of the, I mean,
the two prequels that predecess episode three, right?
We finished up Phantom Menace and I was like, hey, do you have time for a 20 minute animated

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short?
And she was like, reluctantly, she's like, cause she doesn't really do the animated stuff.
And I was like, I squeezed out of her and I was like, yes.
So, uh, I put on the, the one episode of, uh, the Dooku arc, which really bridges the
gap nicely, you know, between episode one and two.
Uh, it brings up the whole Sifo-Dyas thing, the array, uh, the erase of the Camino archives,

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uh, Yaddle's disappearance, um, you know, Qui-Gon's funeral, all that kind of stuff.
Right.
So it's, it's super, super awesome to, to watch as like an epilogue to, uh, to the Phantom
Menace.
And so I advise anyone out there, whoever is, uh, if you're taking a friend through Star
Wars in chronological order for the first time, maybe just throw that in because it's
so short and just explains so much.

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And, uh, I just recommend it.
So I think she appreciated watching it in the end.
Hopefully.
Anyway.
Uh, welcome back to the show.
Matt.
Hello, sir.
Hey, let's tear the poodoo out of this place.
Ripping a new poodoo.
Uh, and we also got Darian.
Welcome back, sir.
Hello.
Well, I think, I think the, uh, the feed has gone dead, but we have Darian with us.

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This is the May.
Oh, there he is.
There he exists.
We lost you into the ether there.
Yeah.
For some reason it just decided it didn't want to transmit.
Uh, yeah.
Yeah.
That happens.
That's what happens when you're out on the outer rim.
That's right.
Exactly.
Love those sound effects coming in.
Uh, all right.
So, uh, this week we got and or episode seven, eight, nine of season two.

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We're almost done.
These episodes were, uh, directed by Janice Metz and written by Dan Gilroy.
Uh, these episodes all came out May 6th, 2025.
And we are in the year two BBY, which is two years before the battle of Yavin also known
as star Wars rebels season three time period.
And, uh, the first episode is called messenger.

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So, um, as, as usual, I will go through, uh, a bit of the plot line here and, uh, we can
just kind of go through the bullet point notes and, uh, so on and so forth.
So after a year, the rebel Alliance has established a coordinated military presence on Yavin 4,
now home to Cassian and Bix.
Willman informs them of Dedra's presence on Gorman, where rebel activities have been

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officially characterized as terrorism incited by external agents.
Willman proposes assassinating Dedra.
And despite initial reservations regarding Luthen's involvement,
Cassian agrees and accompanies Willman to Gorman.
Bix is informed by a force healer that Cassian will play a pivotal role in the rebellion.
On Gorman, Dedra's authority is temporarily superseded by Captain Kaido,

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dispatched by Partigaz to man, uh, manage the planet's, uh, sub subjugation.
While Cyril questions Dedra's narrative of outside,
uh, agitate, uh, agitators due to his interactions with the rebels.
Wow. That's a mouthful.
Um, okay.
So, uh, how did you guys like this era episode?
Uh, maybe Darren, we can start with you.

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Uh, what was your, what was your impressions of this one?
Uh, this one was okay.
I just found the whole force healer bit interesting.
Cause it, it shows the rebellion more in line with the Jedi further back in his history.
Cool. Yep.
That's true.
Very true.
Um, yeah.
All right.
Uh, Matt, like what, what, what were your, uh, what's your two cents on this one?

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First, I really liked seeing Yavin 4, like in more, more developed and looking more like,
you know, how we've seen in rogue one and, and the new hope.
Um, so I was kind of excited about that.
I love the force healer moment.
I thought that was pretty cool.
And, um, seeing commander Draven, I think, um, uh, one.
Yeah.
Cool.
And just seeing things that they need more organized.
I thought that was super cool.
And then him kind of coming in the line and, uh, yeah, I thought it was, I, yeah,

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that was pretty cool.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Kirk, what about you?
Yeah.
I really liked this episode.
I feel like it felt like a really big contrast to the last one, you know, saying Yavin 4 was great.
Um, even just like watching, um, something small, like Cyril's facial expressions in, in,
in this episode, like he was enjoying his time in the last two arcs when he went to Gorman.
Um, but on this arc, like you could really tell that like, uh, he's, uh, his characters

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been through a lot and, uh, he wasn't enjoying his time as much or something was up.
Um, and, uh, yeah, the force, the force healer as well, too, was a nice, pleasant, uh, nice,
pleasant use of the, I remember, I think Tony Gilroy said in an interview for season one,
like he didn't want to touch the force or anything, uh, in, in this show, but, uh, it's good.
It's good to say like it, it being done in a tasteful, uh, in a tasteful way.

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Hmm.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah.
What about you, Blake?
Anything, uh, anything that stuck out to you right away?
I just follow the Kirk was saying there with the healer.
I thought it was interesting that even she admitted that sometimes it works, but most of
the time it doesn't.
So it's kind of like, it is kind of this weird, like, is it real?
Is it not?
Is it coincidence?
Is it, you know, sort of like woo woo thing, which I thought was a very tasteful way to

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go about it, especially at this point after the Jedi had been gone for so long.
Yeah, for sure.
And people never really understood how the Jedi really works anyway, if they weren't in
the order.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, uh, it's, it's taken that element of, uh, belief in, in what the force can do.
Right.
And, and so like, that was an interesting way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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It was definitely more spiritually approached in this, uh, sort of social dynamic that was
unraveling here.
Which was also more fitting to the original trilogy.
Cause I think at the time of the prequels, it's been a while, but I recall a lot of people
being upset because the Jedi were, even though they were, they were monks, they weren't really
all that spiritual.
They almost had brought a science to the force, metaglorians and everything.

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Yeah.
Uh, but in regards to the rest of the episode, it is so heavily overshadowed by the next two
episodes that even though I, I watched this one twice and the other ones once, I still
mostly remember the other two.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, but I, in hindsight, as I come here and everyone else talk about it, I do feel like
Cyril had the most character development in this one, which then leads into the third episode.

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Um, yeah, I, I liked it for a lot of the same reasons.
Second episode, excuse me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I liked it a lot for a lot of the same reasons.
The force healing scene was, was very interesting to see.
Uh, also like what Matt was saying, the return of a general Draven, um, was, or Draven, um,
was, uh, super nice, a nice tie into rogue one.
Uh, he's got some Benjamin button issues going on, right?

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Yeah.
He looks a little older, but yeah.
His hair grows in a little next few years, you know, but it's funny when you look at, uh,
uh, when you look at Diego Luna, I mean, it's the same kind of thing.
If you look at him in rogue one, he's like, he's a, it's like 10 years ago, right?
Yeah.
It's true.
It's a long time.
Yeah.
Uh, that Ant-Man actor.
What's the guys that Paul Rudd is taking?

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It looks the same.
It was an age.
Yeah.
I didn't even notice the like, he's aged very well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He does.
Yeah.
Didn't need any Anakin forehead smoothing here.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Um, I, I love something, uh, something that hasn't been, uh, noted yet was, um, I love
that the bell hop recognizes and or, you know, when he goes to the hotel and he, and he,

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Oh yeah.
It's the room.
I love how he kind of very subtly mentioned like, you know, that, that he kind of knew,
you know, it's like, Hey, you'll have to manage your own bags, bags this time, you
know?
Cause he, he like recalls who he is from like a year ago, you know?
Cause I think, uh, I think the bag hop is involved with the rebellion, uh, like the
rebel cell here on this planet.

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I think we see him.
I don't know.
I don't know if he, I saw him in that room when they're all having that meeting.
Yeah.
Oh, is he, is he, is he in the room?
I think so.
So I think he knows that.
Okay.
Cassine is a rebel agent.
Gotcha.
Okay.
After he says, uh, you'll have to manage your own bags.
He goes, you know, the way and like tilts his head down.

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Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that was cool.
Uh, also I got like, I gotta say that sniper, that suitcase filled with that gun in there
was so cool.
Like, you know, they, when they, when they talked about this show initially when it was coming
out before it was, before it was out, they really took it from this marketing angle of
like, this is a spy espionage genre kind of show.

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Right.
And it's moments like this where I'm like, yeah, you know, this is, this is definitely
like a spy show, you know, with like a, the sniper that pulls out of a briefcase and
he's like clipping, Jason Bourne.
Yeah.
Clipping bits all over him.
Yeah.
It's just like, Oh yeah.
That's like straight out of Jason Bourne.
Yeah.
Also, also the bellhop guy, he says, uh, the rebellion rebellions are built on hope.

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Mm hmm.
Yeah, he does.
Yeah.
That was, uh, yeah, I think that was in the next one.
And yeah, that was such a great little, uh, little connective tissue there.
Um, uh, but yeah, you're right.
This episode really was sort of the windup for the arc.
Um, and lots of character development for, for, um, Cyril and some, some moments with Deidre
in there as well.

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Um, did anyone have anything to bring up on, on this particular aspect of the episode?
One thing I thought was really interesting was in the previous set of episodes, the rebellion
on Gore was super well knit and everybody was on the same page for the most part.
This time right away, you see, they're already all at odds.

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Hmm.
Right.
Yeah.
Some thinking it's better to be more aggressive and others be more subtle.
Yeah.
It's also like, it's, it's also hard to, uh, well, I guess it's easy to forget that this
is now a year later as well, right?
Like they always open up the first episode of the arc with the, the BBY marker, you know,
but, uh, in this episode particular, I thought that was kind of fun.

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Cause we're on Yavin.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like they, they, they flash forward over all of the things that I would like to know.
It's like, whose idea was it to come back there?
Right.
Uh, so that, that tower is massive and they're all living in like huts in the trees.
Yeah.
You know, I thought that was actually kind of neat because, um, in the movies we only
ever see the military temple.

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Yeah.
Bit bit.
Right.
But yeah, there's actually a ton of people camping out in the woods and stuff, which makes
total sense.
It's funny.
Cause the first time I saw that was in the Lego game.
They didn't do that.
Now they did.
You're saying they took some, some elements from the Lego game and it's canon now.
That's amazing.
And then you're, I'm, I'm kind of wondering though, maybe at some point, I wonder if the

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lore was established that there were a lot of people camping in the woods in huts and things
like maybe through, uh, things like some of the novels.
Um, I honestly have not read a crazy amount of literature based around episode four.
Um, I've read a few things, but not like, you know, there's, I know that there's like some
X wing books and this and that, like the, uh, like the last, like the first star Wars

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comic run they put out back around, uh, force awakens.
Cause I think there's a, they're supposed to tie between like four and five and stuff,
right?
Yeah.
And I wonder as well, cause I'm trying to remember it.
Was there ever a video game in which we played on Yavin for that?
Maybe there was, people gave the idea that people were camping out in the woods like that.
Like maybe one of the battlefront games, Jedi Academy on Yavin, but that's like a whole

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different thing.
Right.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, I don't know.
It was, it was cool though.
It was cool to see.
Um, so, uh, okay.
Uh, anyone else got anything else for this episode?
Willman's back.
Um, we had a mention of, uh, Dodonna in this episode.
I think it was this episode.
Uh, he was name dropped general Dodonna, although we don't see him.
Um, yeah, it was cool.

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We got the U wing again.
Uh, that was cool.
Yeah.
I think, uh, what I liked about, um, seeing Yavin and it was just like, maybe it was in the
other episodes, but, um, there's a lot of like extended shots of just people running around
doing their thing on Yavin and it made it feel like more like a big, a big place and what,
what life was kind of on there.
Um, which I, uh, I enjoyed kind of just sitting through and watching.

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Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
So one thing I noticed.
Oh, go ahead.
Darian.
Luthun is seen as a very outside force now.
Whereas before he was kind of the fabric between all of the different cells.
Yeah.
Because they threatened to like boot him from the rebellion just for going to help Luthun.
Yeah.
That was, that was, that was kind of a crazy conversation because, uh, it's almost like

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they're treating him a bit like how, uh, saw is eventually treated like that too.
You know, not to mention though, I guess saw leaves on his own accord as well.
There's sort of a mutual dislike there, but, um, but yeah, I thought it was interesting
that Luthun who seems to be one of the main people that we thought would have this pivotal
role in bringing the rebellion together is actually still kind of operating the way he's

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operating, which is this very spy network kind of guy.
And do you think part of that's just, he's not in a new hope or any of the movies.
So they have to, I still have forced to do that.
I think he's actually, I think in the final arc, I think, I think he's going to meet his
end.
I think that's just my opinion because this would play back to his role, his speech, his

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big long speech to Lonnie in season one.
Right.
I feel like that needs to kind of come full circle just in my own opinion.
Um, so I think he's actually going to die, uh, next week's in next week's episode arc.
That wouldn't surprise me at all.
Um, but the hard thing is that when you, when you've got like, we know rogue one exists
and we know what characters are kind of there.
They have to explain, explain in this show why they don't show up or, you know, tie off

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loose ends type of thing.
Yep.
Um, which is a hard to do.
Actually, there's a couple other things in this episode.
I remember that I, if we still got time back, I might quickly mention.
Yeah, go for it.
So like, I remember noticing like on the Gorman in the Gorman Plaza, like they have the old
monument from the, the Grand Moff Tarkin massacre, like that's all shielded off.
So you can kind of see them getting prepared for the, the, the future plans in the next

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couple episodes.
But what I think was like really, um, two other things that are really interesting in
this episode for me was number one was, um, uh, I've already forgotten his name, but
the general that, that is encouraging and, or not to go back to Gorman because he needs
to be a, uh, a leader now, which then leads to Vel going up to Bix and telling Bix that,
you know, and or needs to switch from being a fighter to a leader.

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And I think that's like even more fermented, like at that point there, which obviously encourages
Bix to do what she does later.
Yeah.
Um, and yeah, one more thing that I, I think was like really important again for the later
episodes is that when that new squad of Imperial troopers arrive in the Gorman square, um, and
we see that, that leader with the mustache and everything that older gentlemen, it's

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like established that this squad that comes in are very young and they're very, cause
I think, um, uh, yeah, what's her, what's her name?
Yeah.
Deirdre goes and says that these are a bunch of, you know, these aren't professionals.
Yeah.
Well, whatever she says, children.
Um, and then I think that's really important because that's the squad that ends up, you
know, going out and doing what they wanted to do, which I think is a really good, a really

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good kind of setup and reasoning to why everything unfolds.
But that was established in this episode that I thought was, um, it's just one of those things
that when you're watching it, you think it's just gonna be a passing moment, but then like,
it actually makes sense why they set that up later on.
So I thought that was kind of cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's mine specifically from Deirdre where she's like, they look like children.
It was like, that's a great moment of, this is what they're going to use propaganda

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to make the Gorman rebels seem so evil is look at these kids that they've killed.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
It makes it so much worse, right?
Like that adds gravity to it.
So yeah, that's, yeah, that's a great thing to mention.
Um, it's also worth mentioning.
This episode has one of the shorter run times of the season at 36 minutes and 16 seconds.

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Uh, we're still over the 35, uh, gold standard minimum.
Uh, but it was only the, uh, second episode to actually be, uh, below that 40 minute mark.
Uh, the other two episodes of this arc were, uh, were way above.
So the second episode hit exactly 40 minutes of true runtime.
And the third episode was our fourth ever over 50 minute episode.

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So, uh, that brings and or up into the 50 minute premium club with a Soka book of Boba
and the Mandalorian season three.
So, uh, there we go.
Yeah.
And does that, does that make you happy?
Cause I know you really don't like a short episode.
I mean, it makes me very happy.
Although it feel, it feels like they cheated a little bit with kind of dinging episode seven
by a couple of minutes, but, uh, but Hey, I mean like they, they did it right.

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Like they, they made a 50 minute plus episode, which I feel like was, uh,
which was also kind of the star of the arc here being the final, final one of the three.
Uh, but yeah, I'm, it was, yeah, that was kind of exciting to see.
So I just thought I'd throw it out there.
And if anyone does want to see the true runtimes of these episodes,
cause it Disney's plus skews all these, all these runtimes with 10 minute credits and all this and that.

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Uh, you can go to our podcast archives link and look for the tab called, uh, runtime tracker.
I think it's called.
And, uh, yeah, you can, you can find all this information there.
So, uh, let's move on to this.
One last thing that I thought was worth talking about.
So, you know, uh, there's the, I don't know the guy's name, but there's a guy who was like,
who, uh, worked with saw to get that explosive liquid in the woman.

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So at the beginning of this episode, he shows up, he's friends with, with Cassian and it's right.
But he's been friends for like the whole show. Yeah.
The whole show. Yeah.
Okay. I didn't realize till then, but I, I realized it was such a missed opportunity.
If after he took his mask off with saw and then you like had to breathe in the fumes that then he became the tubes guy.
What?

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Right.
We already saw tubes.
You said there was two of them though.
There's two different guys.
Yeah.
But there was all like, they're aliens.
Cause like they're, they're like Plo Koon, you know, like they need.
Okay.
But still, wouldn't that have been like a good twist?
Yeah.
That would have been kind of crazy.
Yeah.
I thought, I thought, um, I thought this guy's also named after Bo Willeman, one of the writers.

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I thought that was a reference, but every time I hear Willeman, I think Bo Willeman.
Sorry.
I don't know.
Maybe some to it.
All right.
Let's, uh, let's hit episode two here.
So this episode is called, who are you?
Um, and, uh, we'll read the bit of a, bit of a plot summary here.
Kaido orchestrates a demonstration by the Gorman populace in the town square.

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Subsequently, initiating a deceptive incident to fabricate a pretext for the massacre of the demonstrators.
This act serves as a justification for the obliteration of Gorman.
Profoundly disturbed, Cyril comprehends his contribution to this sequence of events and compels Dedra to reveal the full truth.

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Amidst the, uh, the, uh, disorder, uh, Cassian plans to assassinate Dedra.
However, Cyril encounters Cassian and the endeavors to terminate him.
Uh, Cyril is unnerved by Cassian's lack of recognition, facilitating the Gorman resistance leader in eliminating Cyril.
The resistance successfully disables a KX security droid using an armored transport.

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Cassian retrieves the droid while Wilman remains behind to locate and assist his Gorman partner, Drina.
So, uh, yeah, something that you mentioned, Matt, to kick things off.
Rebellions are built on hope.
This is something that the bellhop says to Cassian just as they part ways.
Uh, Cassian who later in Rogue One says it to Jyn, who then Jyn says it later to the rebel council at the very end of the movie.

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So, uh, it's kind of neat to see that connective tissue there, how there's, uh, you know, something, uh, something else on top of all the other many things that connect and or to Rogue One as it's kind of third part to that story because and or comes in two seasons and Rogue One is kind of that third element that makes it sort of this weird trilogy somehow.
Uh, so yeah, it's kind of cool to see that connective tissue there.

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Who, uh, um, who enjoyed watching this massacre?
Cause like, I thought it was like, I mean, it was very exciting.
It was, it was a terrible, terrible thing to say, but who enjoyed watching this?
Who was entertained by what civilians getting mowed down?
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it was so sick though.
Right?

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Like it was like, man, this is like, this is good stories.
You know, this is good.
Star Wars story right here.
This is the kind of stuff.
Yeah.
This is what makes and or different, you know?
And, and I loved, I loved watching it, even though it was such a terrible thing.
I was like, man, this is what makes this show so great.
Right?
So, uh, who enjoyed it?
It was a very good episode.
Yeah.

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I like the Cyril fight.
I like Cyril and Cassian fighting.
That was crazy.
Oh, that was cool.
Yeah.
It's such a coincidence too, that he just spotted him through this massive crowd of people, man.
Cyril died.
He forgot everything.
It just, just.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Saw red, went straight for Cassian.
Dude.
Nothing else mattered.
Cyril dying was like.
So unexpected.
It was damn, but it was like so good.

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Right?
All that lead up.
I thought he was going to see the light and join the rebels.
You know?
Okay.
So I, on the one hand, I kind of thought that, but on the other hand, this actually works
You know?
Because like, even in those last moments, you know, everything that Cyril has like led up
to this moment, he's finally caught the guy who he's been obsessing about for like years.
Right?

(25:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
That none of it frigging matters.
Yeah.
He's lowering his gun and he just gets bam shot in the head.
And it's like, wow.
What, what, what a, what a very, uh, like just such a, you know, like that's, that's
an acting way to go.
If anyone met their end like that, it would be Cyril.
You know what I mean?

(25:49):
Like he's the one guy that that would totally make sense.
Unlucky cannon fodder.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
His whole life was like built around and like his whole previous life and everything
before he joined the empire was destroyed over this.
And he just never let it go.
Trying to hunt down this one guy.
He finally gets him.
And the response is, who are you?

(26:11):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, you know, he's like about to get shot.
He's like, who are you?
Right.
That Thanos moment where, uh, Thanos is like, I don't even know you.
He says to Wanda and like in end game.
And then, uh, and then, and then they have that, that fight reminded me of that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's exactly it.
Yeah.

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And then, cause Wanda has been obsessing over Thanos, you know, cause she, he's like,
he took everything from her.
Right.
Like he, you know, scarred her for life, which is what led to the events in WandaVision
and everything after.
But, uh, you know,
but that's, uh, yeah, that's what happened with Andor.
Like Andor unknowingly like destroyed Cyril's life.
Like he had a good, you know, career up on that as within the corporate authority.
And then Andor comes in and never meets him obviously, but just absolutely destroys his

(26:57):
life.
He gets fired, sent back to Coruscant, has to eat a bunch of cereal for ages.
And then, you know, and then literally that entire arc.
And then he finally meets him and he realizes that after they have that scuffle off of that
rage that Andor doesn't even know him.
It's just like, yeah, my whole life was complete.
And he's, he's like a data miner.
What is he like?
What was his main role?

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Like just complete numbered employee.
And he goes out like a numbered employee as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally.
Yeah.
Oh, go for it, man.
He was choking.
And when he was choking Deidre, that was crazy, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was kind of nuts.
He wasn't expecting an ISP agent to just put up with it.
He just lost it.
Yeah.

(27:39):
Well, she didn't even really look that afraid of him during that thing.
Like she, I think she was prepared for that to happen.
In fact, I, I, you know, okay, this might sound a little messed up, but like, it almost
seemed like she kind of respected him for it.
Yeah.
Probably.
Like it was like some weird thing that happened afterwards, which is like, it's almost
like you kind of, kind of liked it or something.

(28:01):
Weird.
Maybe they've practiced it before.
They turned off the lights.
Oh my goodness.
I don't want to think about that.
No.
I think that's exactly what's happened.
Yeah.
Uh, so, um, anyway, Gorman Massacre.
In other news.
Yeah.
In other news.

(28:22):
Uh, actually going to the Gorman Massacre, like, um, I might have gone a bit of a tangent
here, but like what I was saying before about the guards, I think this is like the perfect
representation of how good the writing in this show is.
So they, the commander inside of the, the propaganda base or where serial work sent sends out those
troops that are the most inexperienced troops.

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They subsequently get shot at and knowingly, like they set up the fact that these guys are
inexperienced.
They know that when someone shoots the, this squad that goes out into the middle of the,
the town that they're going to react poorly and just immediately think it's the rebels
and just start firing.
And then that's how I could all like, you know, transpires and everything.
And I think that was just like, obviously terrible moment.

(29:04):
It's not good to watch, but it's, you know what I mean?
But, but it was just such a, it's just such greatly planned and greatly set up.
And I think that was a wonderful way that they really just like physically showcased how
the writing is just like really propelled the, um, the propaganda machine that, that was
the empire and setting up this whole massacre.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I love the, the gore actually think that they're protected leading into this because

(29:28):
they even chant the, the universe is watching and it's like, have you not been watching the
feeds or the reporters?
Because they've been like lying about what's going on there.
They've been heavily propagandizing that the gore are doing all these things, breaking
curfew and, and whatnot, and talking about mass riots and stuff.

(29:49):
Like all of the propaganda says the gore of the aggressors and they think that they're
going to be saved by all this news.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's, yeah, that's kind of crazy.
And, and, uh, you know, it's, I think the way that this whole thing unfolded, you just
know what's, what's about to happen.
And I think that's what.

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So putting all the barriers up and everything.
Yeah.
And I just, I feel like it was just such a well, uh, a well constructed episode because the
entire episode, uh, you know, it felt faster paced than it, than it probably played out
in the runtime.
Like it didn't feel like I was watching it for 40 minutes, you know?
Cause it was just like.
I was sweating.
Yeah.
Sweating watching it.

(30:31):
Totally.
Totally.
And that's exactly it.
Right.
Like, to be fair, you're in Australia.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
It is quite hot.
I started closing gates and bringing in the storm troopers and like, that was crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now I'm just picturing like Kirk on the couch, like sweating.
He was boxers.

(30:52):
Yeah.
Just like, oh man, he's like watching Andor.
Right.
And then like, you know, somebody walks in the room and just like, like, it's like 40 degrees
in here.
Can we get a fan or something?
You know, it's not Andor.
We're about to like, we're about to hit winter and like it's 26 degrees here at the moment.
It makes no sense.
And yeah, it's very, it's very warm.
Okay.
To all our American friends, uh, listening, uh, we're talking Celsius, not Fahrenheit.

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So, you know, if you're, if you're confused, the wind up for a K2SO's reprogramming, um,
was in this episode at the very tail end there.
And this indeed, uh, as we kind of speculated, which the show might do broke Canon with a
pre-established story in a Marvel one-shot comic, which came out, uh, around the same

(31:38):
time of Rogue One, probably like nine years ago.
And, uh, it was called Kassian and K2SO, a Rogue One story or something like that.
And it was like a one-shot Marvel original title.
Yeah.
It was one of the few comics over the years, one of the few one shots that I actually bought.
So I have this in a physical form.

(31:59):
Um, and don't worry, it'll be out soon with legends banner.
I know.
Right.
I know.
So, okay.
So here's the thing.
Here's, here's my dilemma with all of this, because we've debated this in the past with
like when this happens, you know, and it's like, okay, was that really necessary?
And that usually ends up being a situation, which is like debatably kind of meh.

(32:22):
But this was one of those few times.
I was like, you know what?
This was way better than the Marvel one shot.
The Marvel one shot kind of sucked.
Like you relay that story.
Cause I don't remember it.
Okay.
So, so in, in the Marvel one shot in short, uh, and or goes on a mission and there's
these other characters in the story that have literally, they don't even show up in the

(32:43):
show at all.
Right.
And, um, they end up finding, I think there, I think K2SO is, um, like they have an encounter
with him and they end up, uh, I think it is a similar situation where they end up, uh,
you know, putting him in a state of, of, uh, you know, being off, I guess incapacitated.
Yeah.

(33:04):
And then they eventually do reprogram.
So it's like the beats of the story were at the same planet was different.
Mission had nothing to do with Gorman.
Um, he wasn't hit by a semi.
He wasn't hit by a car.
Yeah.
Like a semi.
Yeah.
Like all of these, all of these story beats were, were very, very, uh, different.
Even though the main idea was kind of there, it was still very different.

(33:26):
Right.
And I think in general, when I read the comic for the first time, I was like kind of underwhelmed,
but only just, I don't know, there wasn't anything overly special about it.
And, uh, and this, this episode is this comment.
Does this comic like cover how they met?
It covers how they, how they met and, and how, I mean, he was an Imperial droid that's
now reprogrammed.

(33:47):
Right.
The comic literally covered the story that the end of this episode was trying to tell
of like how they, um, reprogram how they demolished him.
And in the next episode they reprogram him.
But, um, but it was like the windup for that story.
Right.
So the comic book told a very, very different set of events that leads to the same result.
And, uh, I don't know.

(34:09):
Like I I'm usually like not a fan of the, the whole breaking cannon to make new cannon
because that, that comic was kind of, right.
But it's becoming, it's becoming more common.
And I think that's the part that sucks is we're slowly inching back to the G cannon level.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think the part that sucks is that Disney kind of took great strides to, uh, to work

(34:32):
around all of these legend stories to make new stories.
And now we're getting new stories in the, what's what they're calling cannon without a
legends banner or anything like that.
Cause that's what the legends banner was made for.
And then they write new stories on top of those stories and overwrite those stories
cannon.
And it's like, well, where do these, where do these stories now fit in the cannon?
Cause now you got characters like K2SO and, or who never existed in the legends of you.

(34:54):
And you got a cannon story in a Marvel comic.
Now you've got a cannon story in the TV show that tells the same story, but completely different.
So like, what do you do then?
Right.
And so I think like what you do, Josh, is every few years, you just retell the same story
a little differently and make some more money.
My issue is now it's turning into terminator.
My issue is now it's turning into terminator because you know, there, you know, there's
like four ways to watch.

(35:15):
Ironically K2 is basically a terminator.
Right.
Yeah.
But it's, it's crazy.
Like before, I mean, I never thought I'd say this, but before it was easy, you know,
saying like, Hey, there's two continuities.
You have the legends continuity and the cannon continuity, which is the otherwise known as
the Disney, the Disney version.
Right.
And, and it was easy to explain that to people, but now we're starting to get into this territory

(35:37):
where there's other, other elements, which are like, okay, well this kind of sits between
those two continuities because it was part of one and then got overwritten by something
else.
And now it kind of fits in this no man's land.
Right.
I think there's no longer no man's land.
I think it gets booted down to the legend side.
I think we got to forget it ever happened.

(35:58):
Now, now it's just like, no, it's garbage.
It's like, what do you do with that story?
I wasn't, I wasn't aware it existed.
So now I am aware of it.
So yeah.
I mean, to be fair, this comic came out in 2016.
Like this was a while ago doing that.
Yeah.
Cause you can argue the same thing for the Ahsoka backstory too.
For in between, um, episodes three and, and episode four.

(36:23):
Right.
When she's on the farming planet and she meets, runs into the, right.
The novel, the novel compared to the animated short.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So since that animated shorts come out, the visual dictionaries have confirmed that those
were two separate events.
Okay.
So the both technically can it wasn't there a bunch of weirdness that doesn't quite line
up, but no, there's so eventually, yeah, there was some weirdness because bail shows

(36:45):
up in both situations, but they're supposed to be two separate events with two separate
inquisitors.
So that's, that's the part that's weird.
But, um, but that's just kind of a close call.
Right.
Whereas this one, it's like blatantly obvious that we're trying to like overwrite a different
story now.
And this was like an event.
Like when the movie was coming out, there weren't very many things that were coming out

(37:08):
before rogue one.
That was like a lead up into the film.
Right.
Like, but at the time they were doing things like, um, before the force awakens, right.
They, they released like a whole wave of books, which took a place before the force awakens
that people could read.
And it had a special banner on it called, uh, before the awakening or something like that.
And it was like, there was three junior novels.

(37:30):
There was like one Chuck Wendig.
Yeah.
There was the, the Chuck Wendig aftermath novel.
There was like a few other things.
Uh, there was the shattered empire comic book mini series, which was four issues long.
Um, there was a few things that all was like, Hey, let's promote the movie with this
thing.
So this comic was one of those things for rogue one, although being a spinoff movie, there

(37:52):
was just less of it, but it was one of those many things.
Right.
And so my issue is like, okay, where does it end?
Because even though I'm not totally distraught over the canonicity of a one shot comic, I'm
also like, where does that leave us when they make more stories in the future?
That's not a precedent, man.
This is what it is.
It's just, I don't know.
I'm kind of, I'm a little worried.
Cause I'm like, where does that leave?

(38:14):
Going back to Georgia standard, which was anything that's on screen is main canon and
anything that's written comics or books is secondary canon.
Yeah.
Well, and yeah.
And I guess on screen, you also mean animated show, right?
Yeah.
Anything that's Lucasfilm official.
All right.
So that leads me into another thing, which we'll talk about in the next episode here.
Uh, but, uh, but keep that, keep that in mind, put a pin in that.

(38:38):
Uh, does anyone have anything else to bring up about this episode or should we hit episode
three now?
Let's talk about how through the whole, uh, like everything that happened, we see kind
of humanity of Deidre coming out.
I mean, she's kind of like having a hard time handling this.
Oh yeah.
She was really struggling with trying to swallow what you had to do.
Right.
Yeah.

(38:59):
She was having a hard time.
And then her superiors kept calling her out.
Is that due to, uh, is that due to, you know, her reaction with Cyril?
Do you feel like that?
Do you feel like that?
Yeah.
No, it is after, uh, but I think it's a combination of both.
Yeah.
Do you guys notice what actually starts the riot?
Yeah, it was, um, uh, what was it again?
The, the, well, it was the sniper, the Imperial sniper, which took out the, the guy on the

(39:24):
statue, wave him the flag.
No, before that he took out their own guy.
It started the riot.
Not the, not the slaughter.
He, he actually shoots his own soldier.
Yeah.
He shoots his own soldier.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what I was saying.
That's what I was saying.
That's what I was saying before.
Like how, how like the empire set up shooting an inexperienced soldier squad.

(39:46):
And then that, that triggered them to think it was the, the, the resistance that shot
out.
Yeah.
You're right.
Yeah.
Right.
Which was, which was planned, which was like completely planned, which, you know, which
is awesome.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not awesome, but I have to keep saying that, but you know what I mean?
Also, I thought it was weird that they didn't use red blaster bolts for the E 11s.

(40:07):
They were like these yellow with a slight orange outline.
So I think that was, um, just how the lighting was set up to be like, we, we don't always
see E 11s being shot and fired in a very kind of bright overcast, you know, sky.
Um, so I think maybe they were adjusting those colors to work with the environment.
You're not on, um, but well, I think Hoth was only at the battle, but also on Endor.

(40:33):
Yeah.
Endor is darker.
Endor was in a forest.
And then Hoth, I guess is, is the only exception except other, other than when they're in the
cave shooting at the Falcon.
But, um, yeah, I don't, I think, I don't know.
It must be a, uh, must be a color thing.
Uh, is my guess.
That's the reason why Luke's lightsaber turned to green, right?
Like that's why they made it green.
Cause they were like, Oh, well we couldn't see it again.

(40:54):
Couldn't see it against the sky.
Right.
So I think, I think maybe in efforts to not make it look so harsh in the camera, all these
like red flashes everywhere, they may have dampened down the color a bit just to kind
of work with the environment.
Cause it was a very bright, bright, a lot of, a lot of blast bolts.
Yeah.
So maybe this is what they look like in, in 4k.

(41:15):
Maybe that's what cheap blaster bolt power packs look like.
It's like kind of orange, orangey.
Yeah.
The one thing that go, there were different, uh, variants on the 11 as well.
Like there was some really super long barreled ones and a couple of their minor differences
on a few of them.
That's kind of cool.
Like South soldiers modify their own like a weaponry.

(41:37):
Yeah.
That was, that was neat.
Yeah.
Oh, one thing that I don't know how I feel about when the resistance soldiers were all
getting ready in their basement hideout, they're all putting in like the power packs and stuff
inside their blasters.
And then they would like cock it.
I'm like, why do blasters need like a caulking mechanism?
I can't, I don't know.
Like, is that just, I think, I think, well in star Wars, I believe they call it.
Prime.

(41:58):
Sure.
Like priming the blaster.
I think that's what it's referred to as when they do that.
But, um, I did love all of the, um, uh, the word, the whirring up sounds that, that,
that it made.
It was a cool scene.
It was like, man, like this, and they all sounded kind of different.
And I was like, that's, that's really cool.
Uh, and we've heard it just a few times, not very many times, but you've heard that sound

(42:19):
before, uh, in, in some other, uh, stories or, or, or whatever.
And, and which sound referring to, can you make it for us?
The priming, the priming sound effect.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, that one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Make me sound like a Danny.
All right.
Uh, anything else?
We should probably move on to the next one.

(42:40):
Well, one, one case mentioned one last thing.
Yeah.
Go for it.
For me, like this is, uh, we're obviously making a bit more of lighthearted nature for
this episode because it was pretty, you know, everything goes pretty dull.
Yeah.
But, but like going to back to the, the darker side of it, I don't know why, but when that
shot just panned back to Cyril's mother, like watching the massacre back at home, like
that, that scene, like, it just like slightly made me tear up a little bit.

(43:03):
I was just like, this is the first time I've actually felt like, like, uh, like I reacted
that way to a star Wars episode of any kind recently.
Yeah.
And I don't know, maybe it was just me like really, you know, thinking of that shot, you know,
reminding of family and things like that.
But I just felt really bad for her.
Cause you know, she sent, she sent her son, like got, got a, got a son, like a new job
when he came back to Coruscant, helped him out.

(43:24):
And then this, this, this woman that, you know, controlled, controlled her in that, in
that lunch or that dinner meeting that they had the other day saying, you know, Cyril does
what I want.
You get visitation rights here, here and here, and he's going to go to Gorman and whether you
like it or not.
Um, and then like, yeah, because of, because of all of that.
Um, and then her sons end up, you know, dying on the, on the front.
Yeah.

(43:45):
Yeah.
Like you start to realize she's got a heart after all, right?
Like, yeah, I think like, is that, is that the part that you talked to that kind of connected
with you a bit?
Like, you know, thinking like, Oh man, she actually does care about her son.
Yeah.
Well, I mean like through all the, like the annoying stuff that, that, you know, he, that
she did to him, like she, in the end, like she just wanted like a lot of, I guess mothers
do like, they want their best for their, their kids, but she just did it in like a very

(44:09):
over controlling way.
And, you know, serial felt he could never, uh, never impress her or never make her feel
happy or, you know, make her proud.
And whatever he did was like a failure, I guess, but he still kind of, you know, came
crawling back to her.
And despite all that, like, um, she thought him going to Gorman was like useless.
Like, so it was like a downstep in his career.
And I guess, you know, she was right in some way, but in wrong, wrong in others.

(44:32):
But in the end, I think the long story short, when it just cut back just like, she's only
in this episode of like for one shot and like, that's it.
Um, and then like, it just cuts back to her and then she's like, I assume she, she doesn't
even know the news yet of Cyril passing away.
I think she's just seen the news broadcast, but, uh, I I'd be interested to see if they, if they
go back to her in the next episode, but I think that's, I think that's it for that.

(44:54):
Yeah.
I think you're right.
I think that's, that's it.
Cause the next one is a year later.
Right.
So I don't, I don't think, I don't think they have plans.
I don't know.
We'll, we'll definitely see more of Deirdre.
I think whether or not we'll, we'll see more of her, maybe she'll visit the mother, like
just to report the news and, and that's, that's it.
But like, uh, yeah, I thought, I thought that, that scene, uh, for me at least like perfectly

(45:17):
kind of like wrapped up the, the, the awfulness.
Even though Cyril was like one person that orchestrated a lot of it or helped orchestrate
it.
That's just the only other thing I mentioned.
I didn't even think she said anything, but just like that, you can see that feel that
connection of like, if you had a loved one that you just saw all of a sudden on television
where they're at is no wonder.

(45:38):
Like, yeah, totally.
Yeah.
You'd be worried sick, right?
Terrorist attack or whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Great way to end off on this one.
Um, so I'll read the summary for the next one.
And then, uh, cause we got to slam it out in a few minutes here.
Um, all right.
Well, this last one's called welcome to the rebellion.
Following the Gorman massacre, the empire described, uh, did, uh, well, they, sorry,

(46:02):
the empire disseminated propaganda, characterizing the event as an insurrection.
Subsequently, Mon Mothma determined to, uh, publicly denounce the emperor and subsequently
relocate to Yavin 4.
Bail Organa elected to remain and facilitate her extraction.
Luthan Rail, having received intelligence from Jung, uh, indicating that Organa's operatives

(46:25):
were compromised, assigned Andor, uh, to assist her escape.
In action that, uh, spiked up discord with Mothma regarding the extent of Rail's infiltration
of the rebellion and his directive to eliminate Colma.
With Organa's assistance, Mothma delivered a formal address to the Senate, therein condemning
Palpatine and the empire's manipulation of information.

(46:48):
Andor successfully extracted Mothma from the Senate following the elimination of her, uh,
chauffeur and a corrupt member of Organa's personnel.
Mothma remained to publicly align herself with the Yavin rebels while Andor escorted Drina
and an injured Wilman back to Yavin.
Profoundly unsettled, Andor resolved to depart from the rebellion and initiate a new existence

(47:13):
with Bix Kaleen.
However, Kaleen departed without notice informing Andor that his continued involvement with the
rebellion was imperative for its success and that she would reconnect with him following
the rebellion's triumph.
The rebel technician successfully reprogrammed the KX droid for their operational utilization.
And we see the birth of K2S.
So, uh, Kirk, I want to start with you cause I know you only have a few minutes left.

(47:37):
So what did you think of that episode?
And then maybe you can give us, uh, your Pablo points of Pudus, uh, for the arc, and then we
can exit you out.
Uh, very quickly.
I, yeah, I loved, I love this episode.
Um, I thought, uh, the, um, Gorman arc was going to finish on the third episode.
So I'm glad like how much they packed into this three story arc, uh, three episode arc.
Um, I, I, I thought, uh, Mon Mothma's speech was absolutely incredible and eerily quite, you

(48:03):
know, relevant for today's world as well, which I think they intended to kind of write in.
Um, and, um, yeah, the escape was unbelievably satisfying.
I remember like audibly yelling out something when, when and or, um, you know, got rid of
the, uh, the driver as he was exiting the Senate building and they finally made the escape.
I was, you know, very happy to, to, to say that play out.

(48:25):
Um, I can't think of too much in depth stuff to the top of my head, just because there's
so much that happened in this episode.
I thought it was, um, brilliant from, I guess the thing, one thing I am kind of curious about
what, what Bail Organa's reaction is going to be to the fact that one of his men or a
woman in this case was an ISB officer and what implications that might have on him.
Um, and, uh, yeah, I, I love this episode.

(48:49):
I think it was, um, also really good to see Bail and, and Mon Mothma working together like
politically in the Senate to, to arrange that, uh, that final speech.
Um, and lastly, I think just watching the ISB, like control headquarters, trying to shut
down the, uh, the feed was also really cool.
Um, I was honestly expecting Palpatine to rock up in this episode, like to try and shut
down the Senate hearing, but I understand that we don't really do massive cameos and

(49:13):
stuff in this show.
So, although I still think it could have been, you know, well, uh, necessary, but anyway,
great episode.
I absolutely loved it.
It was a good, good finish to the, to the arc and the best arc for me, at least over the
last three.
Well said.
All right.
You're Pablo points of Pudus.
And just before you do that, I'll explain the rating system to our viewers.
Uh, three Pablo Pudus is, uh, the worst, uh, two Pablo Pudus is bad.

(49:38):
One Pablo Pudu is not great.
A Bendu is a 50% score and we have Pablo points, which are good.
So one Pablo point is good.
Two Pablo points is great.
And three Pablo points is the best of the best of the best.
So, uh, just as a context for what other people are thinking out there, um, IGN gave this
story arc a 10 out of 10.

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Don't taint it.
So I'm just, just throwing it out there.
But, uh, but I mean, Hey, uh, you know, biased, keep it true.
I mean, like for us, like, okay, IGN never gives out tens almost, almost ever, but sometimes
they're really weird with how they give good, good and bad scores.
Um, we almost never give three Pablo points.
Like it's very rare when it happens.

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Um, it's gotta have some weight to it.
So, uh, I'm just curious, like what, what, what did you think like this, this arc deserves?
Um, yeah, I won't comment on the IGN stuff.
I think this stuff is all over the place.
So we won't go there.
Um, for me, like the, the first episode, I would probably give a two.
Um, and the second and third episodes are being eight, nine.
Um, I would give both of those are three, uh, Pablo points on, on my end.

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So we're, uh, since we're doing this as like a, like an arc, like what would you average
it as an arc?
Yeah.
As an arc, I would definitely, I would average it out as a three.
It would.
Yep.
Definitely for me, despite the, the, the first arc being like a two, 2.5.
I would say this whole arc is a, is a, is a three for me.
Okay, great.
Great.
Awesome.
Kirk.
Thanks so much for joining us this week again, as always.

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And, uh, hopefully we can catch you for that finale.
Hey, beautiful.
Thanks guys.
Sorry if I spoke too much.
I just lied.
I thought this, this episode was great.
It was always good to be on.
Amazing.
All right.
It's good, man.
Good, good having you.
See you buddy.
Catch you on the next one.
Thanks.
All right.
Um, we're going to wrap up the episode now, right?
That's it.
Yeah.
We can, we can, we can take a time on this one now.

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Um, but, uh, okay.
Darian, what, what did you think of that, about this episode?
What did you like about this one?
I'm going to be honest.
I didn't really like the episode very much.
It was like, it's stuff we needed, but there was so much extra filler in there that didn't
need to happen.
So can you elaborate?
I'm curious.
Yeah.
I'm kind of wondering like what, what, like what situations in this episode you didn't

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like?
Well, like the ISB officers having penetrated Bail Organa's crew and everything.
It's like, okay, it shows that the ISB are kind of more competent than we've previously
seen, but that, and that the rebels can't really truly trust everybody.
They're indoctrinating into their army, but, uh, I shouldn't, sorry, introducing that indoctrinating.

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So there was stuff like that.
I just, I found this for the most part really slow.
Okay.
This episode, there's a lot of buildup to the end.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Um, Matt, where, where, where do you sit on this one?
One Pablo point.
Oh, uh, your, your Pablo point.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're like, you say like for this episode arc, uh, you give it one or, or for this episode,

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you give it one.
Yeah.
For this arc, I'm going to say one, I just didn't really enjoy it.
I didn't go back and watch much in this to prep for this episode.
Um, yeah, I just, it was more superficial and these, there was a lot of stuff we needed
to see, but I think these three episodes could have been one episode and got the story

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across better.
Oh, interesting.
Okay.
I always enjoy, uh, getting surprised by, uh, by these, these, uh, these opinions.
Yeah.
Yeah.
These opinions.
Uh, Matt, what, what did you, what do you think of this episode?
And, and, um, and what's your, your Pablo points of putters?
Um, how do I follow that?
Uh, I, I don't know how to follow that.
Okay.
Um, I love the speech and I love, I thought this had, you know, a great memorable moments

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and quotes, right?
Like, you know, are you alone?
You know, friends everywhere.
Um, welcome to the rebellion.
And, uh, let's hear the poodoo out of this place.
I love that.
Yeah.
And, um, even KTSO, like when he was like, I hope I didn't offend you.
You know, I'd appreciate if you, you know, point that elsewhere.
Like, I don't know.
I live, I give it a three, like three Pablos for me.

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Like I, I loved it.
I had fun with it.
I like how it was tying everything into a rogue one, because that's really what the
whole point of, you know, these stories and, you know, building up to.
And, uh, it kind of made me want it.
Like I was, I'm ready to watch rogue one.
Yeah.
And so I can't wait for them and just go right into rogue one and go run into a
new hope.
I think that's how, that's how I'm going to do it too.
I think I'm, I think I'm going to watch the final three and then, and then watch

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rogue one right after.
I think that's what I'm going to do.
I think that's what I'm going to do.
It'd be very clever on Disney's part to re-release rogue one in theaters right
after the arc's done.
Yeah.
I totally would make a lot of money.
They would.
Yeah.
And I think they totally would do it if it were not up for its 10th anniversary
next year, because do it again.
Just make that one through.
Yeah.
I know.

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I think it costs a lot.
I think it costs money to bring movies back in the theater.
Otherwise everyone would be doing it.
But, uh, but yeah, that's a good idea though.
They should, they should have, they should have thought about that.
Um, yeah.
Uh, yeah.
Yeah.
I, I like that.
Uh, what you said, Matt, the, um, the welcome to the rebellion bit stood out to me too.
Um, because this whole time you keep thinking to yourself like, wow, like Mon Mothma has

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been kind of funding the rebellion and, and kind of working with Luther and all this stuff.
Um, you know, her own sister is a rebel and, you know, doing her thing.
Um, so you don't really think much of it until the line.
Right.
Because as they're escaping the Senate and Andor is just like, welcome to the rebellion.
Right.
Like, and it's like, he's kind of just like, this is how it is.

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You know, like this is the welcome to your new life.
Because it's going to be like this every day.
It's going to be like this until we win.
Right.
Every tower to be sleeping in the woods.
Yeah.
Several years.
I was like, man, like that's, that's kind of, I kind of, it kind of took me by surprise.
Yeah.
I guess, I guess, uh, she wouldn't know what that's like.
Right.
Like she's been living in a bottle of stress and anxiety for the last like.

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Right.
Coated in a life of luxury.
18 years.
Right.
Coated in a life of luxury, but really it's just kind of hell.
And you know, it's just, there's nothing good about everything that she's been living
so far.
And now she's got to be on the run and now she's going to be in this other front of that war.
Uh, which is really just about to break open and, and, you know, crack open.
And it adds so much more pressure to where she is in rogue one as a character, you know,

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it really puts it in perspective.
And, um, and I liked that a lot.
So yeah, what's also really neat is, uh, this whole moment kind of crosses over with,
uh, rebels.
That's what I want us to get into.
Yeah.
So we'll dig into that and then maybe you and I can give, uh, our Pablo points as well
after that.
But, um, uh, so I'll, I'll kick things off by saying this two big things that this episode

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crosses over with, uh, rebels season three, episode 18, it's called secret cargo.
So if anyone wants to silently bring that up in the background, as we're kind of talking
about this year, um, it also crossed over with what we were saying in the last, uh, reviewing
the last episode here, which was the Cassian and K2SO Marvel one shot, uh, which does finish
that story of the reprogramming of the droid.

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Um, which was also still wild, you know, very different than how it unfolded in the comic
book.
Uh, albeit he is still a reprogrammed Imperial droid.
That was always, you know, clear in the story from rogue one, but, uh, it was just told very
differently in this show.
So, uh, I feel like we've talked enough about that though.
Um, that's my whole spiel on the comic.
Um, we should really get into the rebels part of this.

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They also did an article, uh, EW that is wrote an article about the deviation from the cannon
from the rebels episode.
So like, not only was there deviations from the Marvel one shot comic, but there were some
minor deviations from the, uh, from the rebels show as well.
And, uh, first and foremost though, the main points is in the rebels episode, it kicks off

(57:25):
with the crew of the ghost talking about how bail is having them wait for, uh, for Mon Mothma
essentially in space somewhere.
They're going to be linking up and collecting her so that they can kind of escape with her
on board their ship.
Do they take her to Yavin?
Uh, eventually they do.
You don't actually see Yavin in the episode, but, uh, they meet a whole bunch of rebel ships

(57:48):
in space and she ends off the episode kind of performing this.
I think she performs some sort of speech to the galaxy above the, uh, aired out.
Yeah, exactly.
So, uh, so that happens.
Um, but, and that part, they actually kept, um, kept the same.
I feel like they tried to connect it.
Cause they also talk about how at the end of the episode, how Cassian is not going to
get any of the glory for it.

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Instead there's a, another fleet to bring her in as like a rule.
Yeah.
They want to do it with the fleet and they want it to, they want it to basically make a
show of it like a, like a propaganda style show of it.
Right.
Um, which I feel like is also, I'm trying to tie it into the, the rebels crew.
Yes.
Pick her up.
I told a hundred percent.
That's totally what it was for.
Yeah.

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Um, so I'll, I'll just kind of blast through this sort of bit here and, uh, you know, we
could, it's going to give us a little bit more insight into this whole thing.
So, um, the monster who will come for us all soon enough is Emperor Palpatine.
So those words, um, Mon Mothma gives, uh, up, uh, at the, in the Senate, in, in the, uh,
in the speech, um, episode nine of Andor season two delivers a highly anticipated moment

(58:54):
to the screen.
One that both audiences and O'Reilly who has been portraying Mon Mothma for 20 years
now have been waiting for.
After the Gorman massacre, Mon feels she can no longer stay silent about the atrocities
of the empire.
Um, she decides along with bail Oregona, uh, the Benjamin Bratt version that it's time
to publicly decree the empire and their actions on the floor of the Senate.

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They make a plan in which bail will yield to the floor to her and his team will extract
her immediately after.
Mon prepares her speech, even shutting out her assistant, um, when she discovers that
he's been reporting her every move to Luthen for the last two years.
Um, she's not risking anything O'Reilly explains of, uh, Mon's refusal to hear Erskine's
apologies and excuses.

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She knows that now is the time to use her one weapon, which is her voice, and she must
use it and be as impactful as, as possible.
She is ruthless in that moment, uh, in the name of the rebellion.
Uh, then she delivers a historic speech, which is, uh, the whole thing that we, that we hear.
Um, and, uh, the article goes on to say that, um, for O'Reilly, it was the realization of

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two decades of work portraying this character.
Um, it was everything I was hoping for.
She says, uh, that's like the best gift you can get as an actor.
She speaks of how important the Senate is to her.
You can see that it's like her church.
Uh, she reveals so much, uh, and then she calls out some really brutal truths.
And, uh, she adds that, uh, that was everything I really wanted to do.

(01:00:22):
Um, I knew that would be important to fans.
I knew it would really be important to me for her.
Uh, that's the fulcrum of who Mon Mothma is right here or right there.
And, uh, so I got to stand up for her in that moment.
That was really important to me.
And I hope that means something to people because it really felt great to be able to give her that voice.
However, uh, Star Wars fans may note that this speech diverges somewhat from the canon that was established in the animated series,

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Star Wars Rebels.
In Season 3, Episode 18, Secret Cargo, uh, Mon makes a speech broadcast across the galaxy from within a ship as she,
as she's transported to Yavin by the, by Gold Squadron.
Andor creator Tony Gilroy explains that he and writer Dan Gilroy felt constrained by having to adhere to the speech she delivers there
and weren't all that interested in parroting someone else's writing.

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We are hijacking canon, Tony Gilroy admits.
In canon, she's rescued by the Gold Squadron and the speech that they gave in the cartoon,
which was a canonical show, is on that ship.
And Danny's like, do I have to stick to this effing speech?
Uh, as it turns out, they figured out a way where she didn't have to, allowing them to eat their rebel cake and have it too.

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Uh, Cassian would rescue Mon from the Senate, evading Bale's corrupted squadron,
and he would deliver her to the safe house,
but she would remain there awaiting Luthan's arranged transport with Gold Squadron,
and she would make a, yet another broadcast to the entire galaxy once safely on her way to Yavin.
In a really sneaky way, we're minimizing what they did in Star Wars Rebels,

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but we're keeping it consistent, Gilroy notes.
We're just saying you don't really know the whole story of what happened.
At first, the whole story was told a bit differently.
Uh, Mon's speech was fragmented.
Uh, pieces of it were cut between a flurry of action scenes depicting Bale's corrupted Gold Squadron,
Cassian's entry to the Senate, and the Empire's frantic attempts to shut Mon down.

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But O'Reilly wanted Mon to get the full meal of the moment here.
Um, and, uh, they kind of proceed to talk a little bit more about how they wrote the speech for that character in a really special way.
And, uh, then, um, that's pretty much it.
Uh, but, uh, I think what, what stuck out to me was that the speech in the Rebels episode,

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at the very, very beginning, uh, she shows up in a hologram,
like as like kind of an example of like the speech that she gave.
And it is different.
There's like, so there, they did diverge in that way,
but they kept it continuous in the way that the speech she does deliver from the crew of the ghosts, uh,
and the Gold Squadron was canonically like kind of planned out, you know, in the end of the Andor episode.

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That's a pretty minor change.
I think it's worth it if you get like more quality, uh, in the Andor show here, like a higher quality canonicity.
Right. Right.
But you know, here's the thing though.
Like, I mean, like on the, on the one hand, that's one way to look at it.
But on the other hand, when you look at a show like Ahsoka and I know it's a Dave Filoni thing, you know,
he's Rebels is his baby and, and, and Ahsoka is kind of the continuation of that,

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but they went to such efforts to recreate a lot of the same things, right?
Like, like the scene where Sabine is looking at the painting of, of Ezra and family.
And like, they literally did it one for one minus the costume that Ahsoka is wearing, right?
But Dave made both of those things.
And Dave made both of those things. That's true.
But it's just like, it kind of does put it into this perspective of like, okay,

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there isn't a singular global way to look at the canonicity of these animated shows, right?
Like on the one hand, yes, it's Lucasfilm official screen time that like you say,
should be considered canon with the rest of any of the stuff that you watch, right?
Which is above the stuff that you read.
But on the other hand, it's like, well, now we're getting into this territory where,

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and this is similar to the Bad Batch animated show kind of contradicting the Canaan comic books.
Yeah, I remember that too, yeah.
But like, there's some sort of weirdness there.
But, but at the same time, it's like, you're getting into this territory now where something you watch and something you watch,
both shows that kind of should exist on the same plane of existence have now slightly rubbed up against each other.
Allow me, allow me to say one thing, the special editions.

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Yeah, I mean, okay, the special editions though, like, those really are like overriding one of, one of another, right?
Like, I would argue this is probably the same thing now.
Cause like, I feel like the point of the speech is the same.
It's just now, it's just worded differently.
But the special edition, you're talking about like special edition episode four versus regular episode four.

(01:04:57):
Yeah. Okay.
But, but that's the thing.
It's like, they don't exist on the same plane of existence because it's one version of a movie is newer than the older one.
So the older one kind of goes the way of the Dodo, right?
Whereas, right.
But I mean, story point wise, did this actually change at all?
Or is it the same story points?
It's just, well, the wording of the speech is a little more different.
The speech, this just in general, the bits that we hear on the hologram at the beginning of the Rebels episode is just different than what we hear her say in the Andor episode.

(01:05:26):
Right.
So like, it's not a huge.
I feel like that's a smaller change than Han shooting first.
I think it's not like a huge difference, right?
Like I feel like less people might notice.
And also the speech that she delivers in Andor is way better.
And it's, you know, it's.
That's the main thing for me.
If it was worse than heavy, angry.
But I feel like for me, it's like they had to redo some CG because the resolution didn't hold up.

(01:05:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess so.
But at the same time, Rebels and Andor are supposed to coexist.
Whereas like redoing something in a movie to make it better or different is just a replacement.
Right.
And they're not supposed to kind of coexist next to each other.
It's almost like the comparison would be maybe for me is if they did not use a puppet version for Yoda in the sequels.

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If they went to the CG version of episode eight.
To me, that would not make sense because you ended off with Yoda being a puppet.
And now you're going into a movie that takes place after.
You should still be using the puppet.
That's like a prop thing.
It's like it's not a big deal for me.
But instead, though, if they replaced it with the CG Yoda that we see in the prequels, which is supposed to be a lot younger and more animated, literally.

(01:06:35):
Right.
But but yeah, I don't know.
I mean, like that to me wouldn't make sense just as how like these two events that coexist on the same plane of canonisty kind of they slightly rub up against each other.
I don't have a huge problem with it.
I guess my biggest problem is like, OK, you're approaching that territory again of like, you know, now creating this fragmented lore.

(01:06:56):
And like, that's just not something that's like, you know, it's sketchy, right? Sketchy.
Yes, you're right.
You're totally right.
Yeah. Anyway, that's my rant.
Does anyone else have anything to say on this?
I agree. Well, at the end, I like when Mon Motha asked him, is there they told him that they're going to rewrite, you know, kind of rewrite the story.
And then she was, is there anything that we can do for you?
Right. Or anything I can do for you?
I think she says.

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And he's like, make it worth it.
Yes. Awesome.
Very good response.
Very good. Very good response.
Yeah. Darren, anything to say on this one?
Not really.
I just yeah, I probably won't watch this episode again.
All right.
I feel like because we have this all this background with like the the rebel show and stuff.
I think we were more excited to see how it was revealed.

(01:07:39):
Yeah, I think so.
I think that's part of it because I love rebels.
I felt like this was rehashing a lot of stuff that most Star Wars fans would know, but then failed to address things like Mon Mothma and Organa being at odds up to this point.
Like they just seem like they're friends here.
And and up to this point, if you read any of the books or comics or any of that stuff, they grate on each other constantly.

(01:08:03):
They don't agree on anything.
And here she's just like, OK, I trust you.
Is that a ruse?
OK, but but the book that you're referring to that we're going to be chatting about takes place like 17 years before this show, before this episode.
I know. I know. But there are other books and stuff where they don't really get along.
And I just wonder if that's a front because they're like the only two senators have anything to do with the rebellion.

(01:08:27):
So I feel like they would see eye to eye on a lot of stuff.
Yeah, I wonder. I wonder, though, if maybe like like that, that exact thing might be addressed at some point, you know, with with other stories.
Right. Like but you're you're like you're right.
Like like there has been some indication that they don't always get along, but they have always had a very strong opposition to the empire.

(01:08:52):
Right. And that's where they they line up.
And I think this is one of those moments where they're on sync. Right.
Like this is one of those moments where they're not at odds because they both know what each other has to do.
You know, one of them has to leave because they have to address this situation.
You know, this is supposed to be an atrocity that somebody has to say something.
And Mon is taking a stance of like, hey, I'm going to be the one to say something.

(01:09:14):
And but they still need somebody on the early.
They need someone to represent the rebellion in person.
And they also still. Yes.
A hundred percent because they're going legit.
And then but they also need someone on the inside. Right.
They also need someone to stay in the Senate, in the Imperial Senate.
And that and bail is taking on that role.
I will say my only concern with that is because he was clearly involved in passing her the torch to do this speech like he's going to have so many like sites set on him.

(01:09:43):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I see.
I think that's where that all leads to an episode for where, you know, Vader knows the truth about bail.
And and, you know, he's like, no, you're part of a diplomatic mission to Alderaan.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like, yeah, no, he calls her out on that BS. Right.
Because he knows bail. He knows he knows his work in the Senate.
He knows what he's up to. Right.

(01:10:05):
And not to mention he's seen the ship.
But like at the same time, it's like the exact same ship from like an hour ago.
Yeah. At the same time, though, Bale's got a record. Right.
He's he's known, you know, in one of the books that we're currently reading right now, like Bale's one of the people that are being watched by by the ISP, by the Empire, because they know already like this guy's, you know, he's sketchy at best.
He's not he's not with us on this.

(01:10:27):
He's not with the Empire on this, like loyalty wise. Right.
Jimmy Smith's would have played a better day.
Yeah. You know, like I really missed Jimmy Smith's in the in this show.
Like I, I got to say, I was just imagining him.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. What's his name? Benjamin does a great job.
You know, great actor.
I just he's not bail, though, to me.
Yeah.

(01:10:48):
Like, you know, I had to keep reminding myself as the same character.
Yeah, I did, too.
And it took me out of it.
Took me out of it.
I mean, like, yeah.
Me, too.
Me, too.
Yeah, me, too.
I guess the thing that really gets greats on me here is you get the resolution of Mothma and Organa where they find mutual respect.
And they take their places that they both need to be.

(01:11:10):
But you don't actually get to see the conflict and grading between them to need that resolution.
Yeah, I guess.
I guess so.
I mean, in a way, though, I guess I mean, personally necessary to the story.
Yeah.
And yeah, personally, as like at least from what we've had in Star Wars stories in the past, I'm I've got grown used to a lot of that kind of stuff.

(01:11:32):
You know, like a lot of people felt the same way when it's like Anakin turns the dark side.
Like, where did that come from?
But it's like, well, dude, there's been like three years of war going on and there's been lots of other stories between there.
And, you know, we had Clone Wars come out and tell so many great stories of him just getting, you know, shadier and shadier with with falling down that that dark side rabbit hole.
And and then and then episode three made a whole lot more sense when you get that stuff.

(01:11:56):
So on the one hand, like I totally agree.
But on the other hand, it's like I'm expecting there will be more stories that come out that do deliver that connective tissue later.
But I can I can I can see where you're coming from, though.
Yeah.
So one last thing is K2, you know, being revived in the Yavin base once again, a bit different than the comic book.

(01:12:19):
But I mean, it was great to hear Alan Tudyk's voice as the character again.
And, you know, he had something very, very K2SO to say, you know, like, you know, would you be able to get that gun out of my face or something?
Right. Like it was it's great.
It's great to see him back.
I brought a smile to my face.
So that was cool.
What are your thoughts on him only being around for one arc, though?

(01:12:42):
Such a fan favorite character.
Oh, I mean, I think he's going to be in in in the next arc for sure.
Oh, no, I know for sure.
But like we're only going to get one arc of four with K2SO.
We could have had three.
Yeah.
I mean, but like never say never.
Right.
Like at some point, maybe we will get K2SO back in more stories between season two episodes, 10 through 12 and Rogue One.

(01:13:07):
Right.
Like, I don't know.
But then again, they say that episode 12 is supposed to lead directly into Rogue One.
So that gives me the indication that he doesn't live very long in that sense.
Right.
So I don't know.
I don't know.
There's only one year's worth of stories, basically.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who knows?
Maybe somebody is going to go to.
No, actually, Scarif was obliterated.

(01:13:28):
No, it's not going to happen.
Okay.
Nevermind.
I was going to theorize something for a second.
No, it's not going to work.
Anyway.
Okay.
Pablo points of Pudu's hit me.
I know it seems like this, this arc is pretty like extreme higher, low points compared to the last few.
I, the first episode, I feel like was kind of meh, but I really liked the next two.

(01:13:54):
Yeah.
Sorry.
I can't, but I feel like I'll give it two and a half.
I see.
That's where I'm at too, because I have a gut feeling that the next arc is I'm going to be, I'm going to be giving that a three pointer.
I think for the finale, but sorry, Darian.
Maybe, maybe it's just television trash, but I enjoyed that last, last episode.

(01:14:16):
Yeah.
I did too.
I don't, I really don't think it's trash.
I just, I guess I have too high of expectations there.
I really went into this set thinking I knew where it was going to go and it just fell short.
Fair enough.
Uh, admittedly, even before, uh, where we had any idea what the show was going to be, even from season one, I think you and I had talked about this, Josh.

(01:14:38):
I was hoping they would show Mon Mothma having to escape.
That was one of the things I was looking forward to.
So that might've also increased my expectation or excitement for it.
Yeah.
Like this finale episode.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just for the, the whole, how did Mon Mothma get off Coruscant.
Yes.
See, and that's something that I've been anticipating on seeing from this show, knowing, like knowing that this was going to overlap with rebels at some point, um, with these, with this character.

(01:15:06):
Right.
And, and to me that, that always made sense to do.
And, and so it was a story that I was looking forward to.
I knew it would have some tension to it.
And to Darian's point, like, we obviously know that happens.
So it's not exactly unexpected, but I, I thought they pulled it off.
Well, I enjoyed seeing the, uh, the reveal of the nuance of it.
You know, and something else that stuck out to me before we wrap things up, uh, before, um, something else that stuck to me is as they're leaving.

(01:15:31):
Um, Cassian kills, well, two people died.
Well, two people died.
Right.
Like an ISB agent and the driver who's also working with ISB.
Exactly.
And in both situations, she is just shocked.
Right.
Like she's never seen death.
Like she's never seen that happen before in her life.
And not to mention, she's still traumatized all the, all this time later, uh, over the death of her childhood friend, Tay, who was about to turn her in and stuff like that.

(01:15:53):
Right.
So, you know, she is very different in that sense than what we're used to seeing from a Senator being Padme, who is a very seasoned friend of the Jedi.
Right.
Very used to seeing action and squeezing off a blaster herself.
Right.
Yeah.
She puts it in her perspective because Padme is quite a special kind of bad-ass character.

(01:16:16):
Like she's, she's not like, not every Senator is like that.
Right.
And so like when you see Mon be put in that similar situation of having to depart this place that she is, you know, let's not forget, she was probably Senator around the same time that she married her husband, which was like, you know, she was in her teens.
Right.
So she said she basically has no memories of, you know, not being a Senator at the Senate building.

(01:16:37):
Right.
Right.
Um, for her, this is like traumatic.
She's leaving her home.
Like she's leaving the life that she knew.
And she is heading off into the great unknown of this sort of act of terrorism in a way.
And, and, you know, she's totally, she's the most like polite person and, and proper.
And, you know, it's just like, she's just put into this situation that I think she thought she would never be in.

(01:17:02):
And, and, uh, she's got this, like, you know, I feel like she was coming around and realize because there's definitely a point.
We saw this in the last arc.
Right.
Or she couldn't convince anybody to take her side, which was the clear, morally correct decision across the other senators.
But people just weren't willing to do it.
They were afraid.
So she's actually the Gorman who, who should have been like, it's, it was literally for his people and he wouldn't even get on.

(01:17:26):
Yeah.
Totally.
Right.
Yeah.
He got arrested before this happened so that he couldn't speak out about it.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Um, so yeah, you know, it's, it's, to me, there was a lot in this episode that I really loved.
And, and it, you know, the tension was that of kind of like the massacre on Gorman.
It just kind of carried through to this episode.

(01:17:49):
And, uh, uh, to me, I just, I just really liked it.
But, um, and I also personally liked the touch of the, the NASA style control room.
As they're all like looking after and just like spying and all these senators.
Totally.
Totally.
Okay.
So I got a funny story.
Um, I, I, well, maybe Kirk will listen to this, but I got a funny story just before we close things up about how I've watched these episodes.

(01:18:12):
So, um, my Disney plus, I share a password with, uh, with some family.
And so the app on my, on my projector screen is like kind of bunk where it doesn't always want to log me in.
I have to go through the email, you know, one time code kind of thing to get in.
And so I was like a waste of time, but the mobile apps, they retain your account information.
So what I do is I Chromecast from my phone to the, uh, to the, the projector screen.

(01:18:37):
And, um, I guess it's the, the smart operating system on the projector is not the best.
It's like a very cheap kind of processor that they put in these things.
And, uh, so when I was watching the first episode ended and then there was some issue that I ran into as the second one started up.
And so I had to like restart it and, and, and I dragged the slider back and whatever.

(01:18:59):
And then that started out.
Okay, good.
I'm three quarters of the way watching this episode.
And I've realized this is episode three, the third one.
Yeah.
Oh shoot.
So then I had to go back.
So I paused it right away.
And then I watched the second one.
Right.
And I watched all the way that I was like, Oh my gosh.
Like I was like, I was so mad at myself.
And then, and then I would, and then I watched the third one again, again from the beginning.

(01:19:24):
And I was like, Oh my goodness.
It gave you more context.
Yeah.
It was like, okay.
The corporate massacre.
The corporate massacre.
Having off screen.
Yeah, I know.
Right.
I was like, man, like, I wonder if they're just going to flash back to like what happened or something.
Just everyone's dead.
So, yeah.
And then I started thinking about our, our slip ups last week, which I all edited out of the episode of the podcast.

(01:19:46):
But, uh, you know, me, I was all scrambled putting these episodes together in my head.
And then here I am watching them out of order.
And I was like, what the heck?
Oh man.
No wonder you take notes.
You can do it again.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So anyway, but I got on top of it, you know, did the whole thing over again.
And anyway, it was just a, just kind of one of those funny situations, but.
But.
Welcome to a Star Wars escape pod.

(01:20:08):
The only ADHD Star Wars podcast.
Exactly.
All right.
Uh, let's theorize real quick as the outro plays up.
Um, maybe just in under 20 seconds, if you can each give your theories as to what we're
going to see next week, Matt, we'll start with you.
What?

(01:20:29):
What?
Uh.
Put you on the spot.
I don't know.
Pass.
Passing.
Damn.
Josh likes to eject us at Mach 4 and then expect us to have an answer.
Yeah, dude.
That's where it's at.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm going to let you cook on it.

(01:20:51):
We can come back around.
We can come back around.
We can come back around, yeah.
Uh, Blake, what, what, what, any, any theories from next week?
Well, we're going to have to see something with, uh, Luthien because he's not in Rogue
One.
So be curious to see what happens there, man.
I was really hoping for a big reveal because he comes in as such a big character in season
one.
Yeah.
And we just have no backstory to why he is doing this in the first place.

(01:21:14):
Yeah.
And I really want to know that.
And if they don't show it in the next arc, I'm going to be really, I mean, maybe they'll
make a Marvel one shot that they'll just rewrite later.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Star Wars.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
Tales of rail.
All right.
Uh, Darian, what about you, man?
I'm wondering if the ISB plant that Luthien has is going to betray him.

(01:21:39):
I don't necessarily think it's going to go that way, but I'm, I'm kind of hoping we
got a cloak and dagger because they alluded in this episode that Luthien has burned all
bridges.
Oh yeah.
No longer.
You mean Lonnie.
You mean Lonnie, the, uh, the guy that he kind of bullies around all over the place.
Yeah.
The ginger guy.
Yeah.

(01:22:00):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's good.
That's good theory.
Uh, Matt, what about you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hopefully some more.
And what happened to Deidre?
I wonder if we're going to kill off Deidre.
Cause I was kind of hoping that, uh, Kelsey would take the shot.
Man.
I was hoping for that too.
There's so many close calls.
It's never.

(01:22:21):
I think, I think we're all going to be very happy because all of this is going to come
true.
I'm convinced.
I'm convinced of it.
I gotta say, like, I was just waiting for that shot on her.
And then just out of nowhere, I felt like Cyril died.
So I was like, wow.
Yeah.

(01:22:42):
It's the wrong one.
No, this was those heart was all about doses of reality for every character.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I think you're, I think you guys are right though.
I think, um, I think, I think you're right.
Deidre is going to die.
gonna die we're gonna see chronic again obviously we're gonna get more of k2so um lonnie i think

(01:23:03):
something's gonna happen there we're at least gonna see him again uh or you know luthan rail
you know like maybe meeting his end um his bix i feel like i think bix is gonna come back i think
because this is gonna be another year later right so i think we're gonna see her return in some
way shape or form uh i don't know i feel like they've successfully written her out for rogue
yeah i think she's out yeah maybe yeah maybe it makes me wonder where she's gone though so i don't

(01:23:28):
know i feel like she said she'll find him after rebellion is one yeah yeah i wonder i wonder
what will happen there um oh maybe see leia another cg leia yeah that'd be crazy
exactly all right guys uh matt darian and uh and kirk who is now gone uh thank you guys for

(01:23:55):
popping in um and uh and blake thank you as always it's been a pleasure yeah we will uh
catch you all in the next one we'll see you out there keep flying
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