Andor S2 Aftershow (Part 4/4) | Luthens Full Circle, The Rescue & The Bridge to Rogue One - Star Wars Escape Pod

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Time to abandon ship!

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Oh no!
Here we go!
Can I persuade you to join us for a drink?
It's a tradition.
Here, here.
Jar Jar, homie, my main man, quickly.
Before the separatists attack, get into the escape pod.

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Hey!
This is escape!
Then wear the pod!
This is escape!
The pod!
Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod and our final and or after show for season 2 episodes
10, 11, and 12.

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The segue into Rogue One, one of the most well-respected Star Wars movies ever made, as well as one of
the most well-respected Star Wars shows ever made.
This is the pinnacle of the Andor story and we're about to dive in with all of our crew here.
We've got your co-host Blake and Kirk and Dan.

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Dan, we've also got Kyle joining us at some point as well.
So, without further ado, let's get into it.
Another happy landing.

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All right.
Welcome back, Blake.
Hello there.
Hello there.
Could be back.
Oh, man.
It's over.
It's over, yeah.
It's over.
It's over.
It's over, yeah.
It was fast.
It was only one month.
Yes.
It's usually like two months.
I don't know how few about these three episode releases.
I like that you can get the whole arc together, but man, you just run through it so fast.

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If I were to think about the fact that there's 12 episodes, it doesn't feel like it.
No, yeah, right?
Yeah, it's crazy.
Anyway, we're very fortunate to have everyone joining us tonight.
Again, and apologies to anyone who couldn't make it, who's been joining us for a few weeks
now, but tonight we do have Dan back in the podcast.

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So, welcome back, Dan.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello.
And we have Kirk back.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hello there.
Oh, I'm back and I'm built on hope.

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All right.
And when we will have Kyle joining us at some point as well.
But in the meantime, we have the four of us here and we can just dive right in to episode
10 of season two.
What I'm going to do for anyone who's new is read off a little bit of stuff, recap the
story, and then we can just dive in, kind of break things down.

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And, uh, there was a lot of stuff in this final three episode arc.
So, you know, uh, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll try and cover all of it.
Uh, this episode is called make it stop directed by Alonzo Ruiz Palacios and written by Tom Bissell
came out May 13th, 2025, along with the other following episodes as well.
Uh, this is one BBY.

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This is one year before the battle of Yavin and, uh, the story arc, uh, leads up to and
through, um, that final year until episode four, uh, and broke ones in that mix.
Uh, by the way, this episode and it's following two came out the same day, which 10 years
ago to the day Diego Luna was announced as a cast member for Rogue One.

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How crazy is that?
What?
Isn't that nuts?
I was like, Oh my goodness.
That has come full circle.
Like you would not believe 10 years ago to the day when this episode came out in 2015,
Diego Luna cast as Cassian Andor.
That's pretty crazy.
Is that real?
Yeah.
Is that serious?
It's real.
Yeah.
It's legit.
So his first day.
No lies.

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No deception.
Lies.
No deception.
Deception.
Deception.
Oh God, let me know the truth.
Oh man.
Where are we going?
So they fired him on his anniversary.
Liar.
Uh, they fired, they, they, they what?
They fired him on his anniversary.
Yeah.
We're like, dude, you're, you're out of the job.

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Yeah.
That's it.
Thanks.
We're going to do five seasons.
We're going to speed it up to just do the second one.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, it's like the, technically they hired and fired him when Rogue One came out cause
they kill off his character.
So, you know, this was just sort of a revisitation of.
Wow.
Yeah.
May 13th, 2015.
Exactly.
10 years before Andor's upcoming season finale.

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That's insane.
Very crazy.
May 13th, 2015.
It's unreal.
2015.
That's 10 years ago.
Crazy.
All right.
Um, so this episode, a year following the events on Gorman, Lonnie gains access to Dedra's
personal files and discovers a secret project the Empire has been working on.
He gives this information to Luthan, warning that Dedra has likely uncovered both their identities.

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Though he initially promised Lonnie and his family safe passage from Coruscant, Luthan
kills Lonnie instead to ensure his silence.
Luthan has one last chat with Clea and then proceeds to destroy the comm system in his shop.
Dedra arrives and confronts him.
Luthan attempts suicide and is taken, gravely injured, to a hospital while Clea watches from
afar.
Dedra is then arrested by the ISB for withholding information and suspicion of being a spy.

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Interspersed throughout the episode, flashbacks reveal that Luthan was a military officer who
defected after his unit massacred Clea's hometown.
Finding her hiding in his ship, he informally adopts her and the two begin selling antiques
while waging resistance against the Empire.
In the present, Clea sneaks into the hospital and shuts off Luthan's life support system, killing

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him for good.
Uh, what a crazy intro to this story arc, you know?
Uh, finally glad that we did get some backstory on Luthan.
Uh, I don't think I really expected that to happen, but I was very thankful that it did.
You know?
Were you happy with the backstory we got?
It was enough.
You know, for me it was enough.
It was like, this is sort of less about why he's doing what he's doing really.

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It's more for telling us the story of Clea being such a crucial role and a more important
role than we ever thought.
And, um, and, uh, yeah, I mean, you know, maybe someday we'll get a comic book or a book
with, you know, Luthan, his military history and stuff, but that's not important, you know,
to, you know, everyone hates the Empire, right?
It's not important to that.
Um, but, uh, I would like to know it just out of curiosity.

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It's like, well, what, you know, what, what was he doing in the military?
Right?
Like, but you know, again, it doesn't really matter.
Um, man, this episode came up, it brought us full circle.
So, uh, maybe we can start with you.
We're going to move on.
No, I was just going to say, like, we can start with you.
Like, like what, what, uh, like, what did you think of this episode?
Uh, the episode overall, I, I actually enjoyed it quite a lot.
Um, I thought that they did a good job writing out a lot of the characters that don't appear

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and, uh, I would definitely was on the edge of my seat to the whole story.
So I definitely enjoyed it.
I wasn't as happy with the other two.
Uh, I felt we'll get into that more, but it just felt like a huge energy drop off after this one.
So it didn't feel like they had calculated the climax of the story in the right spot, in my opinion.
But, uh, this episode I enjoyed thoroughly except for Luton's backstory.

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Really?
Okay.
Yeah.
I just, I expected more.
All right.
I really did.
We had speculated so much.
Like I have a hard time believing someone would take on like that much burden without
a more personal reason because like he and, uh, sorry, what's the, like the girl he pseudo adopted?
What's her name?
Ecleia.
Ecleia.

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I didn't feel there was enough reason for them to take on that much.
Okay.
So to address that, you know, what's going on in that scene with Caleia hiding in the ship
is Luton's military unit is, is massacring like a town of people.
You know, it's a bit like that John Boyega moment where he takes off his helmet and he's
like sweating and having a panic attack because he's like, holy crap.
Like we just kill all these people.
Like they didn't do anything.

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You know, like, what am I doing here?
What am I doing?
And where's my life going with this?
Right.
Did they say that?
Cause I thought, I thought they were, it was implied.
It was implied.
It was in the, it was in the sound.
It was in the, I thought they were on the defensive with Luton's military.
No, they're like, no, they're slaughtering like some village.
It seemed like from what I heard.
Yeah.
They were massacring Caleia's hometown.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.

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There was a basement that people were found in and they were like slaughtering them.
And yeah.
So I think that's reason enough.
I think he was like, you're having one of those moments to help her, but not started
a galactic rebellion.
Well, I think he's, he was realized like he's on the wrong side.
Right.
And now he hates himself for what he's done.
Like he's, he, he's like, he's got the, he's got these, uh, these sins affiliated with being

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part of the empire.
So he, he hates it, them for it.
You know, he hates himself for it.
So he's got that whole monologue in season one where, you know, he's, um, he says, I
burned my decency for someone else's future.
Um, I burned my life.
Right.
To make a sunrise.
No, I'd never see.
I see.
And I was like, dang, like that line totally rings so well when he kills Lonnie, you know,

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because like when he kills Lonnie in this episode, I thought to myself like, okay, like, what
do you really do that?
Right.
Like, is that, is that something that his character would do?
Totally is.
You know, like he's completely, it is what it is.
He's burned his decency.
Yeah.
He is murdering his own ally to make sure that the sunrise will happen for the galaxy.
You know, he's willing to kill someone who's been loyal to him to make that happen.

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Right.
Well, I guess the question was, was it necessary or not, but you know, I think it, yeah, I
could have gotten, I feel like they could have gotten to Yavin, but I mean, the important
thing for the story is like, he thinks it was right.
Right.
And like the other, as in like, you think he, he should have gone to Yavin.
I, I personally felt like it would have been a cool little story to set that up.
And you find out he was actually one of the characters on Yavin base during the attack.

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Yeah.
I think, I think in the background really well.
Yeah.
I feel like, um, he's, uh, oh wait, Lani, Lani, not, not, uh, Luthun.
Sorry.
Is that what you're talking about?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But we're talking about both.
Oh, right.
Right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lani for me was pretty, it was pretty shocking.
Uh, like I, I didn't expect that to happen, but afterwards I kind of like going back to

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that speech Luthun gave him like, yeah, okay.
He's, this is a, this is a guy that, that is all for the cause.
And, and I think throughout both seasons, Lani was dropping so many hints.
He's got a family and people to care about and stuff.
So I think it's really that.
And then also Luthun, obviously not getting to the, to the Yavin four for me was about,
you know, the sunrise that he'll never see.
Plus he wouldn't be as accepted on, on Yavin because I don't think, uh, everyone that's

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fighting for the rebellion on Yavin now would really, or not many of them would, can we
want someone that just assassinates people like that.
It's not exactly the same cause.
Which is, um, but, uh, that's exactly what Cassian does the beginning of one.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
So like, and I think that's what, like he's banned of like rogue one.
Like that's what they're trying to imply.
Like him and milk, not Milchick.

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Um, I can't remember his name.
Melch, Melchie.
Yeah.
Along.
Yeah.
Melchie along with a freaking severance with Milchick.
Um, and, uh, along with the other guys.
Um, I think they're all part of that band of earlier, you know, rebels that, that have
done all those terrible things for the empire.
Uh, sorry for the, for the formation of the rebellion.
Yeah.
Cause yeah.

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Cause yeah.
Cause that's what they say.
Right.
It's like, yeah, we've all done terrible things on behalf of the rebellion.
And like, it's implied.
They, they all had to die before the rebellion really took off.
Cause they're, they did terrible things to build the rebellion.
And once the rebellion gets going, then it's more of the, the heroes that we
know now that aren't going to just go out and assassinate people.
And yeah.
Yeah.
It's, um, it's crazy.
You know, like there's some dark stuff when it comes to wartime.

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And I was walking through this, um, this museum in New Zealand.
Uh, they had this Gallipoli exhibition and, um, amazing exhibition, by the way, if anyone's
going through, through Wellington, definitely go check it out.
And, um, there was this plaque that I read about a soldier who he was, uh, he was on the
night watch.
I think this kid was like 21 and he was on the night watch or something.

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And he was really ill.
Like we're talking like, you know, he's had like scurvy and you know, a bunch of stuff.
Right.
And he was like responsible for watching that no intruders came in.
This is like a pretty, pretty serious, like war, like a ton of people died.
Um, and, uh, he fell asleep on the job.
So they imprison him, his own, his own captain and everything, his own army, they imprisoned

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him and then they were going to execute him.
And, um, then, uh, they ended up backing out of that because, uh, he was so willing to just
accept the punishment because he knew that he'd failed.
Right.
And then he died the next day in battle.
And I thought to myself, whoa, like, like that, that's such a sad, sad story, you know?
And, but in, in these kind of stories, very rarely do people get a happy ending and the

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sacrifices are always there, you know, like in, in the tale.
And so, you know, when Lonnie is like so loyal this whole time, like he's, he's been reluctant
since we met him.
Right.
To like give the information to Luthan, but he's, he's, he knows he's kind of doing the
wrong thing, being part of the empire.
He knows he wants to help the, you know, the rebellion in some way, but he also wants to
just get out of it.
But Luthan kind of ties him to it.

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Right.
And he's like, this is something that you need to do because like, look what I'm trying
to do.
Right.
Look what I've sacrificed.
And, and then finally, like when the moment comes, he just kills him because like, yeah,
this is like, you know, this is what needs to happen to ensure that this works.
And, you know, kills himself.
I actually love that moment.
Cause it was so tragic.
Like, yeah, he was just trying to get his family off there.

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And I, like, I actually gasped out loud.
Cause I was like, oh damn, they went there.
Yeah.
And I, as heartbreaking as it was, I loved that moment.
Like you don't get those moments often in the star Wars show.
And it's like, that's what I mean.
Right.
That's what I mean.
Like, it just felt so real, you know, it just felt like this is the unhappy ending for this
character that, that I never thought would happen, but it just fits so nicely in this

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story of the gritty side of the war.
Right.
And the beginning of the show, you didn't really care about that guy.
He's like, oh, he's just kind of sleazy.
And then like, at the end you're like, oh damn, like he actually, it was a big part of
this.
But for me, apart from like, obviously like Andor and, and maybe Mon Mothma, it feels
like this is like one of the only shows where I've been watching where I felt like all the

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characters did not have like any plot armor.
Like I, I had a feeling that like all of them would, again, apart from like Andor, we're
going to be vulnerable to death or vulnerable to something.
So that when the moment, like, you know, Luthen, uh, shooting, uh, uh, I've already forgotten
his name.
But yeah, that moment we just talked.
Yeah.
That, that moment, like totally, I didn't, didn't expect that to, to happen.

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But when it happened, you're reminded that this is like, this is like a real, not a real
show, but you, you, you're reminded it's so much more earned, I guess, despite how awful
it is.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
And you know, it also, it's also just another clear parallel of to, uh, another reason why
Luthen and Clea might not be accepted at Yavin, you know, kind of like Saw.

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As you say, I was just about to mention Saw, cause I feel like Saw, uh, does similar things,
but is a lot less tactical and stealthy about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's reckless, right?
Like he's super reckless.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, crazy.
Yeah.
It's not like, it's not like they don't stoop as low as the empire, which like they literally
showcase in like the flashbacks where like they had that firing squad and they killed

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like that, that kid.
And they're not just like executing people for the sake of executing people.
Um, similar to that, that, that moment at the start of rogue one where like, and or,
you know, actually maybe I won't go there cause we'll probably talk about it afterwards,
but like they'll, they'll get rid of people when they know truly well that they, someone
is going to burden the rebellion or they're going to, they're going to hamper the cause

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or the greater thing.
Um, I think that's, that's been like a common theme with a lot of the reasons when either
Luther nor, and, or other people have, have been killed, uh, by rebellion hand on the
hand on the show.
Um, which, uh, uh, I don't know.
I don't know how we feel, feel about like that happening.
It's like, it's, it's unjust, but like it's necessary versus like, obviously when the empire

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just execute people willingly.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
Um, right before, uh, we, we have Kyle joining us in just one minute before we move on from
this bullet point here.
I just also want to say, uh, a parallel to this whole thing, you know, with, uh, Lonnie
and, and, uh, and his loyalty ending up in his death and, and all that, uh, huge parallel
to Deidre and her loyalty to the empire gets her screwed over as well.

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So like, um, I think it was, uh, Darian in previous weeks of the podcast, he also mentioned
like there, you can draw like parallels between so many of the characters, uh, on the rebellion
side and the empire side.
Right.
And, uh, I feel like this was just one of those moments where it's like, okay, yeah.
Uh, in the same episode, you know, uh, Deidre gets, you know, taken in by the ISP, uh, just

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as Luthan gets taken out by Luthan.
Right.
Was this, was that, was that this episode?
Cause that was one thing I wanted to mention.
Yeah.
I, my favorite moment in this episode was when, and it took me a while to figure it out.
Like maybe like a minute or so after it happened, but when Luthan, when Deidre comes in
and she's talking about, Oh, is everything in this, in this, you know, uh, store that

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you have, is it all real?
And then he's like, um, yeah, everything, but two items.
So he doesn't say that, that, that plainly, but he says something like that in a lot more
eloquent language.
I can't remember what it is, but then afterwards I kind of like pictures like, Oh, he's, he's
not only not necessarily referring to two items.
Cause I think they're all real.
Uh, but he's referring to himself and Deidre in like in the shop as being the two

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ungenuine, uh, only the two ungenuine things within, within the store.
I don't know if that was it.
Yeah.
That's a great observation.
I missed that.
Like I think, yeah, I don't think if that's what he was intending or the writers were intending,
but like after watching that scene again, I'm just like, okay, that that's, that's what
he's definitely, that's what I think he's definitely referring to.

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I think he talks and riddles a lot like that too.
So I think that is probably exactly what he's referring to.
Yeah.
Uh, I need to actually, while we let, uh, Carla, you know, I might just figure out exactly what
that line was, um, because I thought it was brilliant.
Um, and I thought it was just such a Lutheran thing to, uh, to say.
And I, I don't know my, um, uh, similar to, uh, um, I'm trying to think a, uh, another

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scene, you know, uh, this is going a little bit rogue here, no pun intended, but has everyone,
have you guys seen, um, the first Spider-Man movie with, with Tom Holland?
Oh yeah.
You know, you know that scene when like the movie's all kind of playing out, it's like
a nice movie and stuff.
And then like Michael Keaton shows up at that house and then you realize, oh shit.
Like he's the father of the, the, the, the, the daughter that he's dating.

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Yeah.
Um, and there was like, no, there's not much of any, like any hints before that.
Like when Deja rocked up to the store, I had like that same feeling like, oh shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It sucks.
Stuff's gonna, stuff's gonna happen.
Yeah.
Oh man.
There's another scene.
That's just like that.
Then a 22 jump street.
Oh yes.
Oh yeah.

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Yeah.
The boss, which is ice cube.
Yeah.
How do you know this person?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Such a good scene.
Yeah.
Such a good scene.
I'll lose it every time.
I know you do.
Oh man.
All right.
Welcome back, Kyle.
Uh, good to have you back on the, on the show.
Oh, hello there.
It's been a while.
Yeah.

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Um, all right.
Well, um, uh, first off, um, we're moving on to another bullet point here.
So I'll ask you about this one.
Uh, Luther and Dedra's kind of sequence playing out in the, uh, in the, in the, uh, in the store.
Um, she whips out the star path unit that we saw in season one.
And, uh, that was just such a crazy scene.
It was super well written.
The whole thing.

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Like, like you said, Kirk.
And, um, what did you think of all that, uh, that, that, that, that sequence of events?
Uh, so almost everything that I'm going to be hearing tonight is spoiler alerts.
I'm just here for the fun.
I I'm, I'm, I'm at the, I'm, I'm at the second last episode.
So that's why I was like, oh, and I had so many customers today.
We're doing our buy one, get one free offer thing.
So my website's been going off the hook.

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So I have literally been working nonstop since like 7am.
No worries, dude.
You might as well just do a plug while you're at it though.
Oh yeah, there you go.
All right.
Well, Kai Sabers is doing a buy one, get one free.
Uh, it's for the youngling Sabers.
So just $19.99.
And you could add two Sabers for your kids or for yourself.
And what's really cool.
You could actually screw them together and make a staff out of it.
So you get like a couple of neat options.

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It all comes together.
You can put them as a staff and just for all $99.
Pretty good deal.
That's well, that's amazing.
The Luther needs one of those in a store.
That's right.
Oh yeah.
There's one thing I do like about the store is that every time they do a scene in
it, I'm always looking at, I don't really look at the characters.
I'm like, Oh, what's that?
Oh, that's Padme's helmet.
Oh, look at that.
You like, that's what I'm doing.

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No, for sure.
I'm trying to freeze frame and like click through it.
You did watch this episode though, right?
It's the first of the three.
The first of the three.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
The first of the three.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This, this whole sequence of events, you know, with like Luther and knifing himself
and, and you know, the, the whole, the moment there.
He's I really, okay.
I love his character.

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And I think he's one of the very few people in the entire show that really get what he's
doing.
And you can kind of see that passion where it's from him, where he's him.
It's the cause is worth more than anything.
Yeah.
Right.
And that, and, and, and I heard you guys say a little something and I don't, you know,
little spoiler alert, but, but it just goes to show me that, that I was correct in thinking

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he's, he really gets it.
Yeah.
One thing that probably is more important in that's, um, clear clear.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the only thing that he has.
The fact that apparently it was that, that actors, like she just came out of drama school
and that was her first performance she's ever done.
Oh, dang.
Really?
Yeah.

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Like that's, I was reading it this morning.
I was like, well, that is a, that's crazy.
That's that is some, that is, you know, all the other actors that are on that show that
had to go through hell to get that heart.
And they're like, here you go.
The Star Wars has always kind of been like, it's my first day.
They've always tried to cast, uh, the nobodies out there.
What a great cast though.
I mean, like, um, yeah, yeah.

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The actress who plays, I mean, they hired a carpenter to be their main, one of their
main heroes.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
Exactly.
I found the quote before about, um, him referring to, so Deirdre walks in and says, is everything
real?
Then Luther responds saying, ah, what a wise question.
Forgery is the sad curse of antiquities.

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At this current moment, only two pieces of questionable provenance are in this gallery.
Any guesses?
And then it flips back to, uh, uh, Deirdre, who's standing next to a Gungan skull.
So I thought, so I thought, yeah, that, that reference about the two questionable pieces
of provenance was a reference referencing them, which I thought was pretty cool.
That's a very clever piece of wording.

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Yeah.
I was going to say, he's kind of also giving out that, like he, he knew that he, well,
obviously he knew that that one piece was fake that he put the listening device in.
So maybe the fake ones, that's what he does.
Oh, we were talking about this earlier.
I think he was referring to himself and, and Deirdre.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, cause they're, cause they're the ones with the, wearing the, the, the fake personalities,

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right?
Like they're pretending to be someone they're not, you know, he's pretending to be a simple
shopkeeper, but he's really, uh, rebellion mastermind, rebellion mastermind.
And then she's pretending to be a client, but she's really an ISB, you know, officer.
Right.
So yeah, it's like, yeah, it's just a theory.
It's way more deeper than what I got from it.

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I literally was thinking, Oh shit, there's two things in here that are fake.
I think that's just my theory.
Uh, Dan, what'd you, what'd you think of the, uh, the scene unfolding here?
That was great.
It was like, like the show is great about ratcheting up tension and the whole time you're
like, you know, is he going to get out of this?
Like, like what's going to happen?
Like, why is she there by herself?

(24:25):
Like I thought it was really well done.
Hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Uh, full circle moment with, uh, with Luthan, of course, I think we were theorizing this last
week.
Um, totally called it with, you know, Luthan dying.
Uh, didn't really see him killing himself like that.
That was kind of crazy, but, um, Sudoku himself.
Yeah.
So like, yeah, it's a bit of a bit of a shock when he like kind of drops and you see the bloody

(24:50):
knife and stuff.
And it was like, Oh, that's why he went for the knife.
Like, you know, presenting it as like, Oh yeah, it's true.
Cause then, you know, it wouldn't look weird.
Oh, wait, wait.
Do you mean, do you mean separate separate?
Yeah.
The Japanese.
Oh, when you said Sudoku, I thought it was like a puzzle.
I'm like, what are you talking about?
Yeah.
I said that on purpose.
Oh, I'm sorry.
It's all good.

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Now the audience knows what we're talking about at least.
Yeah.
All right.
We've sat a newspaper and doesn't, doesn't do it to death.
That's right.
This one's too hard.
So this episode ended off with, uh, with him being taken away to the hospital so that
they can try and preserve him so that they can probably eventually torture him and get

(25:32):
information out of him.
Right.
So that sets up the next episode, but I love how, um, Claire is watching from the shadows
and, and, um, you know, sets up the next episode like that.
Uh, or sorry, no, she, no, actually wait in this episode, she's the one, she does sneak
into the hospital and, and kills him for good.
Right.
So, okay.
So something about this whole sequence here was, um, we haven't really seen her in action

(25:54):
very much.
And I just want to say, I really appreciated seeing just how amazing she is at like doing
what she did.
You know, like she made, she made an act on a, just improv in one day, made it look like
a team of three, which is what the, the Imperials were like, Oh, it's gotta be three, three people.
Right.
Hitting us from all sides.
Just one, one person, you know, just sneaks in, she's out.

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She's out.
I'm like, Whoa, you know, like that was awesome.
That was such a great, uh, sequence of events.
And then, and then, and then the episode ended.
But, um, okay.
Does anyone have anything to say about that?
The whole hospital thing.
The whole grandma, like the little grandma who's pushing along.
So it does, that was funny.
Yeah.
That was good.
I, uh, genuinely thought, okay, this, and maybe this is due to my, uh, um, young mindedness,

(26:43):
but I genuinely thought she was going to go in there and do the typical safe Lutheran
take him out.
So I was like, how on earth are they going to play this out?
Is it just going to be like some really like odd, uh, like Obi-Wan, uh, escapes, uh, captures
Leia from, uh, from the, uh, Imperial, sorry, the Inquisitor base.
And then they just walk out really strangely, but no, like she just, you know, pulled, pulled
the plug.
Yeah.

(27:04):
I think it's better that way.
It is.
Oh, much, much, so much better that way.
I think that's, that was the fitting end for, for Lutheran.
And, and similar to how he killed, uh, he killed, um, Lani before.
Yeah.
It's true.
Yeah.
Keep reminding me of these names.
Yeah.
All I could think was many Lutherans died to bring us this information.
Nice.

(27:25):
If you think about it, like it's a nice, um, duality.
Like he saved her when she was young and in the end she saved him by saving him from
being tortured and destroying the rebellion.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
And, um, you know, there's, uh, it's, he's such a, he's such a tragic character.
He always has been, you know, ever since we've heard his monologue about how he's never

(27:49):
going to see the sunrise that he's trying to build, you know, he is still, he's even
someone like him.
He still has hope for a greater tomorrow, you know, even though he knows he has to be
the guy that's got to sacrifice everything in order to make that happen.
And so he's putting hope in Clea to be the person that'll carry that forward, you know?

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And, um, and I just love that about it.
Cause even though he seems like a hopeless guy, he's, he's also, he's also got some, some
hope somewhere, you know, like, uh, and that was a crucial part of this.
I see it like, um, I see it like, like, uh, the dad that plants the tree for the child,
the dad's never going to see the tree huge, but the child's going to get to enjoy the fruit
of that tree.

(28:31):
Yeah, I think, uh, yeah, the, um, the, the scene, um, this, uh, actually forget everything.
I'm just saying, I've lost my train of thought.
I think that's it.
Well, um, all right.
Yeah.
So, uh, that's the episode.
That's the first one.
Uh, we'll move on to the next one here.

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Uh, episode 11, it's called who else knows.
Uh, so story goes, Deidre is interrogated by Krennic, who admonishes her for allowing
her data to be leaked and confronting Luthan alone.
The investigation is reassigned to Heert, who identifies Clea in the security recordings
at the hospital.
Partigaz declares her a public health concern to aid in her arrest.

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In the safe house, Clea contacts Wilman, who in turn recruits Cassian, Melshi, and K2SO
to retrieve Luthan and her from the safe house.
Although they don't know that Luthan's dead yet.
Despite rebel leadership being fed up with their disobedience, uh, they do it anyways.
Deidre, while in chains, gives Heert insight into Luthan's communications and his team intercepts

(29:39):
the pulse codes that they've been using, which helps them track Clea to the safe house.
Right after Cassian and Melshi enter to retrieve her.
She reveals that the Empire is building a super weapon and that it's all connected.
Gorman, Jedha, Scarif, Kyber crystals.
She wishes to stay behind as the rebels on Yavin 4 deeply distrust Luthan's cell,
but Andor insists she goes with them.
As Heert's team closes in, K2SO enters the building and begins attacking the Imperials.

(30:04):
So this episode was pretty hot.
It was like really tense the whole way through.
It was awesome.
Um, Kirk, you know, like what, what, what did you like about this one?
Uh, I just remembered my train of thought before, which was to do with this episode, I guess.
I think it's wild that the, you know, Jyn, Erso, Kyber crystals, like that, that was all
like just word of mouth.
Like it wasn't like plans that were then sent off to someone else.

(30:27):
Like it was, you know, Lani told Luthan, then Luthan told Clea, then Clea told Andor.
Like it was all just a word of mouth thing, um, which makes it more believable by the time
we get to Rogue One that, um, uh, that, uh, the, the concept of there being a super weapon
that was disguised under an energy program was, uh, was less believable.
Um, and yeah, this episode for me was like, was, was such a highlight.

(30:50):
I loved that the, the sequence when, um, they contact back to the ISB base before we saw, um, K2SO
leave the ship and the ISB officer was like, oh, did we order a K, a KX unit or something?
I think he's a K unit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they're like, no, we didn't order one much, but just must, much, sorry, must just be
there for patrol.
And I'm just, I'm just thinking, oh, okay.

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I know exactly what K2SO is going to do now.
And these guys are, they're going to get out of there cause of K.
Um, so I thought that was, was great.
Um, I kind of wish rather than these like Imperial troopers that had like their helmets
off, I kind of wish we saw death troopers or some kind of like more advanced squadron
kind of come in.
Maybe like a squadron.

(31:33):
It's weird.
Maybe troopers with a lot of helmets that really kept taking me out.
Yeah.
It just like, just that part of it was the only kind of little issue I had with it.
Like I felt like I was watching like some, I don't want to use the term style will spin
I know a lot of people have been, uh, not spin off.
Sorry.
Like a star was copy.
Cause I know a lot of people that critique the show unfairly, like use that term, but
I just felt like with that saying, I wanted to say in like death troopers or maybe like

(31:56):
the, the squadron from, um, from the battlefront two game, like I didn't verse you and them.
So something similar to that, you know, um, with the helmets on and then they just didn't
have the people's faces.
But then again, like I loved, uh, how K2SO held up their ISB agent who just got absolutely
slaughtered.
Like I thought that was, uh, that was an epic, an epic moment and the whole hallway scene

(32:17):
and the fighting, uh, I thought was, uh, um, was really, really good.
And, um, yeah, apart from that very small complaint, I loved, uh, I love this episode
and, uh, it was at the end of this episode, I was thinking, oh, I was expecting that this
was going to be like the climax to the next episode.
So I'm glad this kind of, you know, wrapped up by the second.
Um, and, uh, yeah, I think, uh, I can't think of, I've probably have to go back onto the

(32:38):
episode and think of anything else, but anyway, those are my thoughts for now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This episode was served really as the climax of this trio of episodes of this arc, you
know?
And it was like the pacing I think was, I felt like it was a step down energy wise
from the last one.
Yeah.
You think?
I thought the first of the three was the highest intensity.
Oh, interesting.
Okay.
Like the stakes were way higher with, with Luthan and, and Daedra then with them here

(33:03):
in the.
Yeah.
I guess I actually, yeah.
Well, the hospital scene was pretty intense as well, but, um, I don't know.
Um, I don't know.
I felt like the, the buildup through this whole, uh, this whole episode was, um, I
don't know.
It was just really well.
Well, actually this, this episode didn't even have the, uh, didn't even have the ending
of this incursion, like, Oh, sorry.
Of this assault.
Like it, it kind of stopped before anything happened.

(33:25):
Sorry.
Exactly.
The next episode.
Yeah.
The next episode is the one that has like K2 or so going into the hallway and doing all
that.
Um, so yeah.
Um, yeah.
Um, which is still, it was just still like, it was fine for me.
I thought, um, it was, uh, interesting.
I think my favorite, another little part of this episode, I loved when like that tech officer
back on in Luthan shop was like geeking out over the, uh, the tech equipment that Luthan,

(33:50):
the rebels were using to communicate with.
And the guy standing next to her is just like, no, this is not the time for that.
Don't do this.
Don't say this.
Like it's like a little nod, like very, very subtly.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
Dan, what'd you, what'd you like about this?
Uh, this episode?
I thought it was great.
Like, um, I didn't think it was like too, too, um, low energy compared to the previous

(34:11):
one.
Cause like, you know, you're still, still ratcheting up.
Like they had to get out of there.
Um, I love K2SO.
I'm so happy to see him back.
Uh, he brought a lot of humor to his scenes.
Um, I like, you know, Deidre getting interrogated, um, by Krennic.
Like I'm always happy to see more Krennic.
He's such a great character.
Um, going back to the troopers without their helmets.

(34:33):
Like my wife had commented, she's like, why do they not have their helmets on?
And looking it up, those are ISB, um, agents.
So like, it makes sense that like, you know, ISB guys, they're not on course.
I don't think they need to hide their identity.
Like, you know, they're just, it's a, it's a bit of a weird one.
Cause I feel like we saw when there's any ISB agency things in road one, I think that
was the death troopers.

(34:55):
And then the only other person we really have is, um, what's his name from, uh, rebels.
Uh, you also on forest.
So I don't think like people need to necessarily hide their identity on their, their base, like
their home base versus out in the field.
Like I did.
My original thinking was similar to that, which was the quote unquote police around Coruscant.
They didn't want regular troopers just so that the public doesn't feel like they're under military control.

(35:20):
Yeah, there, there is that.
Um, I see the way I look at it is, and maybe Kyle can like, you know, like have some, has
something to say on this too, but, but the way I look at it is like, there's so many different
military divisions, right?
Like there's like the scout troopers in the empire that like under the Republic, it was
different because you had the legions of clones all split up and every legion had their own

(35:41):
multi classes of troopers.
So you had your regular troopers, your scouts, you know, uh, like for Obi-Wan, he had regular
troopers, he had a commander Cody, he had Waxer and Boyle, which kind of served as scouts
a lot of the time.
And they also had the scout uniforms at one point as well.
Um, and they, yeah.
And they had arc troopers.
They had so many different roles and they operated as a, as a legion, right?

(36:02):
Yeah.
It was a full military.
And in the empire, it works a little different because they're kind of galaxy wide at this point.
So they have all their whole, like completely different, you know, ranks per troopers.
So like scout troopers are kind of used for certain purposes.
You always see them riding around on those speeder bikes all the time.
You wouldn't see a storm trooper riding those speeder bikes, right?
Then you got the shore troopers.
They're always in hot environments.

(36:23):
And then there's like, you know, there's so many, right?
And then the death trooper is like, kind of like you were saying how we see at the beginning
of Rogue One, uh, a death trooper squad is usually like a, uh, kind of like when we see
in Mandalorian, when Moff Gideon requests a Praetorian guard, uh, squad, right?
I think like a death trooper squad can be assigned, you know, to high ranking officials

(36:44):
because those guys are like kind of like the black ops kind of super highly trained guys,
right?
Well, because we're on Coruscant and it's an ISB investigation, it makes sense that they have
their own policing guys that like do local things, right?
Or, or like things that they have immediate military resources available at their, at their
disposal.
Still ISB is supposed to be like the equivalent of like the Nazi SS.

(37:09):
Yeah.
So maybe, maybe, but maybe they had people like that, that kind of operated like that within
that group or that, you know, my, um, like now that you say that maybe there was that,
there was that scene where, um, where they go into someone else's apartment, they have
to talk to the other residents of the building.
Yeah.
So maybe like that team, you know, without helmets and stuff, even though like one commander

(37:31):
could have done this, like maybe the, the logic there is that like they needed like human
facing people to talk to the other residents and to communicate rather than just be like
a, you know, completely brutal, just like, and that's why they sent a squad of people
with, you know, like that may be, I don't know.
There's some truth to that for sure.
Sure.
I was going to say how I feel it does.
You're right.

(37:52):
It's very much SS.
Like, uh, you remember that movie, a glorious bastards and Christophe does that scene with
the Jewish people in the, in the house.
And he's like, you're hiding Jews.
Right.
Like that to me, but that to me is the, almost the exact same thing is when credit goes
and gets, um, um, Galen.
It's almost like, it's almost, I get that vibe from it where it's like, they are the SS.

(38:17):
Now, of course all militaries have their, their police.
So the, the Nazis had their, their red bands, right?
They'd go around and police the cities that they were in.
So there was, there was all these things and it's just like the military, but the empire,
it just screams everything about Nazis.
Like it just screams it.
Yeah.
Oh, a hundred percent.
I mean, they're, I think George would say they're basically just space Nazis.
Yeah.

(38:38):
There's one, there's one of them that freaks me out, man.
Deidre.
I do her eyes, dude.
Oh my God.
Like I just, she freaks me out.
Yeah.
I don't know if I can say this on this podcast, but her and when the, I forget the guy's name
that she was dating.
Yeah.
Serial.
Serial.
Yeah.
Serial.
I don't know if I can say this on the podcast, but I, I imagine the two of them getting it

(38:59):
on and it's like timed.
All right.
We have to do it in this exact sequence.
You know, like that's.
Turn the lights off.
They're just so, I don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, you can totally say that.
We, we, we did talk about this when it happened on, on, um, in the, or in the arc,
right?
It's such a weird, weird kind of moment.
Um, and yeah, I mean it, but it fits the character because she's kind of supposed to be a psychopath,

(39:21):
right?
And they're both very calculated.
And they're, they're both really awkward.
She got the eyes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She got the dead stare.
Now him, him, I see him as honestly, I see him as kind of like, he's just always trying
to prove himself, but her, she's like, I know, I know where I stand.
Right.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.
I, um, I think, uh, something, something that, that really struck me about this episode was the

(39:43):
conversation between and, or, and, um, uh, Clea in the safe house.
And they're talking about him leaving, right?
Because he was, he was kind of part of Luthan cell.
Right.
And then he eventually goes and joins the rebels on Yavin.
And so she was sculpting, you know, kind of frying him for that a little bit.
And then he goes on to say, I made the right choice.
No one can do this alone, you know?

(40:05):
And, uh, and they're talking about Luthan.
He, and he says like, he knew that he just couldn't swallow his pride.
And, um, I don't know, it was just such a perfect, like way to put it, you know, because
like, it's kind of, it's kind of true.
Like Luthan operated a certain way and it was very effective up until a certain point.
And his last, uh, I guess his last job doing what he was doing, you know, kind of led to

(40:28):
his end.
Um, but he gave everything for it.
Right.
Um, and, uh, he, he kind of puts it to Clea.
Like, you don't need to be that, like, you don't need to do that or do this anymore.
Like, you know, you, you have a, um, uh, you know, you, you have set something up on Yavin
that you just have to see, you know, like, you know, you need to go and be where, where,
uh, in the place that you've built, you know?

(40:49):
And, and he makes it out.
It's crazy that he's never been there to see it.
Cause Clea has been the one behind all these communications for so long, right?
She's the one that's been building this, uh, you know, alongside Luthan, but she's the one
that's been behind the mic.
She's been the one that's been kind of the tireless at late, late hours in the middle
of the night.
She's been standing there doing that thing, you know, behind the counter, communicating

(41:11):
with people, setting this whole thing up.
So, um, yeah, it just made sense to me that, that they had that conversation and kind of
addressed those things.
So that was really cool.
Yeah.
I thought the, um, the scene, speaking of Deirdre before, like that scene where Krennic
just goes up behind her and puts his finger like on her head during the interrogation.
Oh yeah.
I'm just like, damn.
That was so good.

(41:32):
Perfectly centered and everything.
I'm like, damn.
Yeah.
This guy, I hope he survives in road one.
He's an awesome Imperial officer.
Oh wait, no.
Yeah.
So he was, uh, he was, um, he was, he was, he was, he was scared.
I think Ben Mendelsohn did an awesome, uh, an awesome job.
And apparently that scene was improvised as well.
Was it really?
Yeah.
Like I was watching an interview with the Deirdre character and she was like, yeah, she, she

(41:54):
had like a mini panic attack when she did that.
Cause it's such an uncomfortable feeling having someone, you know, like stand over you and,
and especially like, yeah.
Yeah.
And like stick, stick his finger, like on top of your head while you're very interrogated.
Like she did not have a good ending arc, that character.
I mean, it was so disrespectful to her.
You could tell like, he didn't have any respect for her.

(42:15):
Like he's just like treating her like a child.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She got manhandled.
Like, like he grabbed her as well.
And Cyril in the previous episode or a couple of episodes ago, like, yeah, she, uh, the sins
of, uh, just, just, you know, having to bend over and do her bidding for the empire, I
guess.
That's his power and control.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One thing that came out of that, that I noticed, and maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong,

(42:38):
but I felt like in Rogue One, Krennic always felt a little bit on edge.
Like the emperor's like, cause he's so far behind.
Right.
Really breathing down his throat to have this thing complete.
And through this show, he seemed more relaxed, but I could tell there's a massive like shift
in kind of like his like mental state and like how he composed himself, like from the
point where there was the leak.
So I felt like, yeah, there might actually be a bit of a character change that happens

(43:02):
there.
Suddenly they, there's a lot more pressure on his shoulders.
I think it's also due to the fact that in, and I think we, we talked about this when
we were watching the episodes, but, um, the, the power, uh, hierarchy in this show,
he is the highest ranking Imperial that we have seen.
Right.
So everyone that, that we've seen in the ISB, everybody, they're all beneath him.

(43:23):
Right.
And then when we get to Rogue One, you get ranks like Grand Moff Tarkin and Vader and,
you know, you know, mentions of Palpatine and, you know, stuff like that.
And it's like, okay, yeah, he's definitely not at the top.
He's not the top dog anymore in this story, but in Andor he is.
So like, you can see him shift his composure, you know, when, when that story happens.

(43:44):
And, and especially when he meets Vader, you can see him kind of get the chills.
He's like, Lord Vader.
Oh, I love that.
Yeah.
It's just this moment where he's like.
Oh, I am still in, come on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's like humbled by being in this guy's presence.
And you can tell he's like, his confidence levels drop significantly, especially seeing
as he, he's now the one under the gun, under someone's finger of like being responsible

(44:10):
for all this stuff and all the leaks and everything like that.
So he's acting out of desperation.
Um, I love, um, as well, like, uh, Krennic in this, like actually similarly in rogue one
as well.
Like he wasn't involved in like any action set pieces or anything like that.
He was purely just like evil and his authoritarianness.
And that's not a word, but, um, you know, was, was purely displayed through the dialogue

(44:35):
that he had and his interaction with these other ISB agents.
Cause I think every single scene he was just against another ISB agent or, or whatever.
So, or Imperial officer, which I thought was, was, was really good.
Um, and, uh, yeah, I think, uh, I think I would like to, I'm not sure if I want to see
more of, of Krennic now and other properties.
Cause I know he turned up in the bad batch, but, uh, I think, uh, what we got so far was,

(44:59):
uh, um, was a great, uh, you know, K2, K2 had his, uh, appearance, um, which I think
mentioned like a while back, I wanted to say them in the future.
Same with Krennic.
So I think I'm very happy with the, how they were, how they were treated.
Definitely.
All right.
Um, Oh, it was really stood out to me when Krennic during interrogation asked her, what

(45:20):
did he, what does she, Deidre, I think what this is about.
And she says death star.
I felt like they would have said stardust, which is the code name.
I think it, yeah.
So on the one hand for the viewers, but I think it is, I think it's totally for the viewers
who may have not seen rogue one and would have understood that reference because we
only know that reference from the connection that they make in the end of that movie.

(45:43):
Right.
Like they're looking for the death star files.
Right.
And they only know that it's called the death star because Galen Erso tells them it's called
the death star.
So they're looking for the death star and they're like, Oh, it's all code names.
Like, what is it?
And that's when they realize like, Oh, it's stardust.
Right.
So I think to the average viewer who may have either not seen rogue one, or it's been a long
time, they probably just decided, you know what, let's just call it how it is because

(46:06):
she knows the truth.
This is a very raw moment.
It's like, you know what?
You took me out though, because I'm like, it almost feels silly.
It almost does.
It almost does.
But it's also like, there's a raw moment.
They're not beating around the bush.
They're not like, no, no BS, no code names.
We're nobody's around.
We're an interrogation room.
What are you talking about?
Death star.
But doesn't, doesn't Galen doesn't, doesn't Galen also say like they call it the death star.

(46:31):
Like he doesn't call, he doesn't say I'm calling it the death star.
No, he said, obviously internally, they called it the death star.
Yeah.
So obviously internally somewhere, like it's not just referred to as stardust.
I think just those plans that were sent to the Scarif base were under the file name
stardust, but I don't, I don't say being totally like, not believable that other ISB

(46:52):
agents were able to refer to it, to what, what it was given that Galen, Galen had that
and maybe a file.
We don't know what files came across to, um, you know, did just dress, but I don't see
it totally being plausible as it, you know, as her referring it to death stars, it just
audience service.
But yeah, if, if in that moment, if she said stardust, like it would not have like any payoff

(47:13):
at all for people that, that didn't remember it being called stardust.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which I think, I think it's definitely served that as well.
Like I, I probably, I would have known, but like, I think a lot of more casual viewers
or having people haven't seen rogue one in a while, we would have definitely would have
definitely helped for sure.
Yeah.
I was going to say for the military, we do that all the time.
You have your code words for stuff that's in filing and anything that could be, you know,

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um, picked up by, uh, any sort of enemy forces.
And then you have the name that people just call it, right?
So people are calling it the death star, but really it's code name is stardust.
So in, in the army, I was a signal operator.
I was a radio man, but my code name was, I think, I think it was bluebell.
It's like over 20 something years now.
And I think my code name was bluebell.
So each, each individual like unit.

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So the MPs had their own name, but you still call them an MP.
But if I'm using it and I'm talking over a radio or I'm filing it and I'm keeping it
safe somewhere, you use the code names for things.
Yeah.
Right.
Let's move on to the final episode here.
It's called Jedha Kyber Erso.
K2SO kills Hirt and his team, but Clea is gravely wounded in the escape.

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Cassian Melshi and K2SO take her back to Yavin 4, where they are grounded for their disobedience.
Much of the rebel leadership, including Bale, do not trust Luthen's intel.
But Mon Mothma is willing enough to hear Clea out.
Vel talks with Andor, who convinces her of Luthen's integrity, and they toast to their fallen comrades.
As a rebel informant associated with Saw's contacts on Yavin 4, begs to talk to Cassian over the communications, the rebel

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leadership realizes that the evidence is too great to be a trap and agree to let Cassian and
K2SO fly to Kaffreen to meet with this informant.
Clea accepts her role on Yavin 4 with Wilman, Mon, and Vel.
Partagaz commits suicide upon realizing he is to be arrested while a weeping Dedra is imprisoned in a facility similar to Narkina 5.

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On Mina Rao, B2EMO plays with another droid while Bix cradles a baby as she looks wistfully toward the horizon.
So this was the final episode, the segue into Rogue One.
And I think generally speaking, like, I feel like Rogue One is the real finale here when it comes to this story.
But maybe Dan, we can start with you. What did you think of this episode?

(49:34):
I loved it. I loved it the whole last three episodes. It was a strong finish to the show and the way it builds into Rogue One.
I got a little weepy seeing Bix with the baby. It was much like how Luthan is never going to see that sunrise.
Cassian is never going to meet his child. Yeah.
And it makes his death even more tragic in Rogue One.

(49:56):
Totally. Yeah. That was a pretty, pretty crazy moment.
Did he and Jin have a romantic relationship? I'm trying to remember.
They kind of, I mean, it was always like kind of like weird.
They had that look in the elevator, like in that it was kind of like shot in like slow motion where they like almost were kind of leaning in for a kiss.
But like they, they, they didn't, they didn't, uh, I don't think anything happened in the end.

(50:18):
They didn't kiss. No, they, uh,
I think the closest thing they ever really did was a hug when they died.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They had an embrace. Yeah. They had, they shared like a deep embrace.
Okay. Cause I think that was like a complaint at the time. Like there's no romance in this movie.
It was interesting now with like looking at that in hindsight with this.
Yeah. Like contextually. Yeah, for sure.
I think it like, I see, I saw a lot of people complaining about it being like,

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how could Andor like, you know, even considered Jin at that point.
Like that was like, that's crazy. But for me, like watching how the show played out,
like Bix left him and she left him like a year ago and said, you know, once this is over, come find me.
So like, it's been a year, like Bix just dropped everything and left and they haven't communicated since then.
And Andor even said in this, like in this episode or maybe in an episode beforehand,

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he said like something along the lines of like Bix is happy right now and she's safe.
And if I go see her, she, she won't be safe or something like that.
So for me, like, and he doesn't know that he has a, he has a son after the end of this episode,
which was like obviously very tragic.
Um, so for the people who I think that, that say that him looking at Jin that way on the elevator,
on the ride down and having that moment where they knew they were going to die,

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I don't think was out of the, like, was out of character, um, the way I kind of saw it.
He could also be looking at Ursa like, like, like a sister, like, you know,
he never did find his missing sister and you know, she, she could have been filling in that role as well.
That's true. That's true. And, um, you know, it's worth noting.
Cause that, you know, some people have asked about that.
It's like, okay. Um, in this episode we saw his younger sister, uh, in a dream, right?

(51:49):
Yeah. And I talked about this while watching the episode I brought up,
like we did never got the conclusion to where his sister ended up.
Okay. So, yeah. So there's two answers for that. Um, one is in season one,
they did have a line from Marva that did kind of indicate to Cassian that everyone on his home world had been killed.
So it's, we know that she was working at like a brothel.
Yeah. Well, it wasn't her. Exactly. There was a name that was similar to hers,

(52:14):
but like, unlike very many Star Wars stories, we just kind of jut in into a random part in his life.
You know, like this is a random moment, which has nothing to do with the rest of this story.
It's just a moment that we catch him in doing whatever he's doing.
Yeah. Doing whatever he's doing. And, uh, you know, and that's where the story begins,
but it's not important to the story. So I looked up an article.

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I feel like it's important to his character story though.
It sort of is. So I looked up an article about this and Tony Gilroy says this to the Hollywood reporter.
Uh, he says Kino Loy is like Cassian's sister who he was trying to find in the series premiere.
People wanted to know if we're going to resolve the sister and the sister in the beginning is so much more interesting to me as a deficit.

(53:00):
She's much more valuable to me for Cassian as an absence, as he says in the end,
maybe I should stop saving people.
Uh, his need to return and save people and to be a savior and his compulsion to do that comes from this hole in his life.
And I didn't really want to fill that in. So I think we can probably just roll forward with the idea that she probably did die on that planet.

(53:22):
And he was a kid. So like when this all, I don't know, man, it's star Wars.
It's going to be a comic or something. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, like, I can become like a star Wars story.
Yeah, exactly. I don't know. I'm going to be here in the rebellion and they'll have never met.
See, the thing is like, there's such meaning behind not bringing her back and like assuming that like she did die, but it's his like endless hope and his need to save her.

(53:46):
Let me, uh, come at you then in response to that with Asajj Ventress.
Yeah. That we'll save that for next week.
Cause they keep bringing back characters, right?
They do keep bringing back characters, which is why I hope they don't bring her back. Right? Like, like, I don't want them to bring people back.
If they're, if they're dead, leave them dead. You know, like I just don't like it.
I, I don't think, I think it was more of like a thematic thing for me, like forgetting about her physically being alive.

(54:11):
Like, I think it was more in line with like, and or lost everything. Like we sacrificed everything.
Like he never found his sister. He was never like with his mother.
When she died, he couldn't save his best friend and he couldn't be with the love of his life.
And he never met this that he never met his son in the end. So I feel like it was more just like adding to all of that sacrifice that that character had totally, you know, burdened, um, rather than like, whether or not, like we actually got to see him finding his sister.

(54:39):
I think it was just a, another addition to his plot point of just tragedy.
Yeah, man. Listing it all out like that. Like that's so depressing.
Yeah. Yeah. And that's, and that's kind of just another drop in the bucket for this character, right?
Like that's why I think she serves a bigger purpose, not coming back. She serves a bigger purpose being this mysterious killed family member that he never got to see again.

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It's an unresolved part of his life.
And I could see how that also would lead to him being so resistant to helping Jin in the first place.
Yeah. Like, and he's got, he's also like, if, if, you know, finding his sister would be closing the, the, the loop, right?
Like what drives him are these gaps, like in his, you know, he's got this need to go and save people.
But if he had somebody that he cared about, he wouldn't have the need to go out and save anybody.

(55:24):
You know, like if, if, if, if he's content, if he's got a family, if he's like Lonnie, he would just want to, you know, you know, hide off somewhere on some desolate place on place like Mina Rao.
Right. And, and, and not be the person is we to protect those. Yeah. And, and not be the person that he needs to be. And that's the whole thing with the force healer. The force healer knows who he's supposed to be. And that's why Bix leaves because she's like, we're about to have a child together. If he knows about this, he will not do what he's supposed to do. Right. And she's a believer.

(55:54):
Yeah. Bix, Bix sent that. So said, yeah, if you're, if I stick around, the rebellions, you know, the cause is going to be lost. So, um, poor dude. He's just, he's like, he's like, he's like Obi-Wan. He can't have any, can't have any attachments. He's like a Jedi pretty much.
Yeah. Okay, dude. So seeing Deidre in Narkina was crazy. I don't know if it's Narkina five or maybe a similar facility, but that was pretty jumpsuit. So it's only what I know is like that.

(56:24):
And the cell was the same as what Cassian was in. Yeah. Electrified, electrified floors and stuff.
Yeah. And it's crazy to think like, what's going to happen? You know, like, I don't really care to
like see more of that story, but it's just. Could you imagine though, you were like high up in
like the top levels of the building of this project and now you're basically a slave making parts for it.

(56:45):
Like where Andor was too. Like that's crazy, you know, like, and I thought.
I didn't know he was better though, but yeah.
And I don't, the reason why I say I don't care to see more of the stories because I love
the fact that it's like food for thought, you know, it's like just wondering what's going
through her head and like, where is she going to end up? Like after the war is over.
I thought about that. Like even while I was watching the scene, I'm like, she's depressed

(57:07):
now, but she's going to rebound and she's going to become like the top dog. She's going
to be like the Andy Serkis character, but like way more strict.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Like when, when the lights shut off and then like it became real,
like I loved how she just like shut it, like she shut it a little bit. And, uh, um, because like

(57:28):
everything that she's done and she just, you know, falls into the, into the palms of her hands. Like
she's not getting out of there. Like everything she did just led it up to that. And I didn't think
we're going to be seeing any other references to Naki in a five or a prison of some kind. But I think,
uh, just like that shot of her overalls, like as soon as I saw that little orange in the, on her
shoulder before it kind of panned back, I'm like, Oh shit, that's, that's where she's ended up. That's

(57:51):
insane. Yeah. Crazy. That was, that was pretty nuts. Although, although I find it, I find what
she was saying to, um, Krennic at the end, like I was almost thinking that he would have believed
her and like, okay, yeah, she's not a spy, but that just shows like how much more of like the infighting
and makes it so much more believable how the empire, you know, eventually collapsed. They'll

(58:11):
just fighting amongst themselves in the end. Like they just like literally just like, uh, those band
of, uh, rebels on Yavin back in the first episode. Um, they, they pretty much were just falling apart
by that stage. Oh yeah. Yeah. Totally. Turning on each other and everything. Yeah. That's a great,
great. So I love that little moment with, with part to get part to guess when he kills himself,

(58:32):
like, um, how that one guy comes out knowing like what he's going to do is like, you know,
can you leave me alone for, for a second, collect myself. And then you see him pull out the gun.
Then you hear the blast and like the trooper, the stormtroopers go to enter and he just holds
his hand out. It's like, like, no, just wait. Yeah. Yeah. Just give it a moment. Yeah. So good.
Yeah. It was like a nice quiet moment. Like it was so well done though. Like so much was conveyed

(58:55):
in that one little scene. Totally. That was probably the highlight of the episode for me, to be honest.
Yeah. This is that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. You could hear it. And like, he just,
he just played Nemec's, um, uh, Nemec's, um, uh, monologue as well. Oh no, no,
he's monologue. What did they call it? The manifesto? Yeah. Manifesto. Yeah. The manifesto.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just play, playing that. And I think he's also realizing like, you know,

(59:18):
everything that they've had, how do you guys interpret that him playing that? Like that,
that they were failing, like whose manifesto. So this goes back to the Aldani, uh, heist in season one.
Do you remember that, that guy, uh, he ended up dying, but I got squashed. The guy who got
squashed. Yeah. He had the curly hair. Um, and he, he was writing, uh, what do you call it? A manifesto

(59:38):
of, for the, for the rebels. And, uh, they had a conversation. Yeah. He's like, remember this
freedom is a pure idea. It occurs spontaneously and without instruction like that one. Remember this,
the frontier of the rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection or something
like that. Yeah. Yeah. He died on the ship when they were escaping. There was that box that was
like really heavy that slid into him as they were like firing off. Right. It was like such a,

(01:00:02):
another like crazy, like random, like, how did, how did, how did they get that? Like, yeah. Yeah.
Like, like just a tragic, uh, just now. Yeah. Now, now what we're talking about. Yeah. So anyway,
that was a, that was a pretty crazy thing to see kind of the, the, the realization on his face of like,
Oh, you know, like he's like, it's spreading, isn't it? It's we're done. You know,
like he's kind of sees what's happening. Um, like how, like, like the editing on this,

(01:00:27):
like these are such simple things, but like when we watch it back, we're like, Oh, it's just so
ingenious that they include these, these little moments from the, from this first season. I don't
know. Maybe I'm fanboying too much over this, these episodes. No, I know. I totally get it. I,
I, yeah, I loved it. Connected a lot, but this one, and then I was going to say it's and, or you're fair to do
that. I do feel like this one in the, the box that danger brings me a little too close together,

(01:00:50):
but yeah. Um, full circle, you know, full circle, uh, Bix and Andor's child doesn't repeat,
but it kind of rhymes. Yeah. As George would say. It rhymes. It's poetry. It's poetry. I know,
I know we already talked about Bix's child, but, um, but yeah, it makes it so much more tragic that
Andor didn't, didn't ever get to see his son. Yeah. You know, so I, I wonder if, uh, maybe there's a

(01:01:13):
future story where we do get his kid coming back and you know, maybe that's called. Oh, we're right.
Cause you were speculating. It's called starfighter. You're speculating. Yeah,
that's right. He thought he was like Ryan Gosling's character. Can you imagine if it's Ryan Gosling's
character and he's just like this super quippy, like jokey kind of guy. And then, yeah, that

(01:01:33):
would be, I don't know. Do we know when starfighter takes place? Well, I kind of shot down Josh's
idea on this because like both, uh, Cassian and, um, Bix are like, like they're Latino. Yeah. Yeah.
And then Ryan Gosling is definitely not Latino. That's a good choice. So I don't think that makes
any sense. They had a baby and it was Ryan Gosling. That'd be so funny. It would be very funny.

(01:01:59):
Ryan Gosling's wingman and they're, they're going to bring him in somehow. Cause dude, he's going to be
like, I got to fight for my dad. My dad was killed in one of the, you know, I could see him do
stuff like that. Well, I could see maybe like, maybe their son is a character in starfighter.
That'd be fine. Right. Sure. Maybe. Yeah. But yes, but to answer the question, yes, the timeline
lines up, uh, starfighter takes place five years after episode nine, which is like, what is it?

(01:02:22):
Oh, wait, wait, wait. Oh, wait. No, that's way too, that's way too late. Isn't it? Like Ryan Gosling's
like 40. Yeah. So that'd be like 70 years after all of this. No, no, no, no, no, no. Cause cause this,
this is like one BB. Oh yes. Because it's 30, it's 30 years after. So yeah. So Ryan Gosling
could be the perfect age. Yeah. He totally could be. He's the perfect age. Like it's, I think

(01:02:44):
it's like 35 to 36 years. You're like, dude, this could be it. I'm like, uh, you're missing
this one, like vital flaw. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The, um, yeah. The blonde hair doesn't really
go. Yeah. Yeah. Bright blue eyes. We don't see race here in the star Wars galaxy. Everyone
can just mix and you know, you could, you just roll the dice. Like Diego Luna and, and

(01:03:06):
Bix. Sorry. I keep saying Diego Luna and or and Bix's kid. It could be a Gungan. Like
he could, you don't know. Yeah. You never know. My kids are half Japanese with blue eyes.
So who knows, man? Yeah. Look, look at Harrow's kid too. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And then he just becomes human. He just had a green hair. Yep. And pointy elf. Yeah. And then
they got rid of that. Right. Uh, okay. Um, the slow-mo exit flashing sequence drawn

(01:03:31):
out, super epic, um, to, uh, all the characters who've played a part in Andor's story that was,
uh, uh, you know, amazing and emotional. And you see the, the force healer look over at
him and, you know, you see, uh, Mon Mothma's husband kind of with somebody else you see, uh,
you know, you, you just kind of get these little interlude scenes of like kind of where everyone

(01:03:52):
is in their story. Right. And like where it's like, what's setting up rogue one, where the
characters, we aren't going to see in rogue one are headed. Um, that was really cool to
see. And, uh, you know, I love the force healer moment, you know, she kind of knows the moments
come, um, you know, seeing it happen, he's going off to, to get in his ship, to go to the
ring of Catherine. And that's where the rogue one story picks up. So, um, I really love how

(01:04:14):
they kind of exited out that, that final episode, uh, was brilliant. If you ask me, it was
the credits. Yes. Exclusive to this final episode. So it kind of blends in from the
Andor music into this song. Yeah. You hear that? I hear it now. Yeah. And then they just
kept it rolling until the very end. I was like, man, like I never, Andor is not the kind

(01:04:40):
of show. Andor is not the kind of show that you would hear this music, but, uh, I love the
fact that they put it in. So, um, yeah, very, very cool. A little nod of the head
there to where the story begins, you know, and where the story's headed in the timeline
from this point on. It's true. Yeah. Josh, I got a trivia question for you. When's the

(01:05:01):
first time you hear the Vader March? The Vader, the Imperial March? Yeah. Like from release?
Or do you mean? Just, just when, when the human history, not Star Wars history, but in, yeah.
In human history? Like from when, you know, from like, was it, was it in 77? Oh yeah. No.

(01:05:22):
Yeah. You're talking about 1980. Empire. Damn it. You actually knew it. I thought I knew one
thing that you didn't know. Yeah. No, no, we, we don't, we don't. Josh, nothing gets
past him. No, it really doesn't, man. Human history. I was like confused by the wording
on that. Yeah. John Williams didn't write that till the second movie. Yeah. Yeah. Um,

(01:05:43):
okay. Yeah. So anyone else have anything to say on this final episode before we do the
scores? I will say, man, this is kind of, I'm sorry. Go for it, Blake. Oh, yeah. I will
say one thing that I was annoyed about earlier in previous podcast episodes is that I was
upset that they didn't bring back, uh, oh gosh. What, uh, what's the droid, what's the

(01:06:04):
droid? B2AMO? K2SO. K2SO. Thank you. They didn't bring back K2SO early enough, but man,
there's such a tone shift in the last episode in this one with him just being there. Cause
he adds this extra layer of comedy that just didn't really exist. Yeah. And I felt like it
really actually took away from the seriousness of the situation. Yeah, it did. And I think

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that's a good reason that they didn't put it in earlier. I think that's why, yeah. In
hindsight, I'm glad they didn't. And I almost felt like it made it significantly less tense.
Yeah. So I'm almost, I almost would prefer it wasn't there. So this episode was the segue
to Rogue One. Rogue One, like I said, like, I feel like we should look at Rogue One as the
real finale. Um, even though this is a finale to a show, it's also a show that is a prelude

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to a movie. And that movie is a prequel. It's also a prequel to the movie. Yeah. Right.
We got a prequel that ends right before a prequel that ends right before the original. And you
know, they left gaps in season two, so we could have a prequel to the prequel, the prequel
of the movie. You're right. He could come back. Yeah. Isn't it insane now that you can watch
Andor and then go right up until the end of a new hope. And there's like zero time gap,

(01:07:15):
like in between how everything connects. It's just like, I love it. From this episode,
I think to the, to, no, there's like, cause it's pretty much like, no, like he flies, like
they, they're getting into the ship to go to Khafrene. And there's like, there's like,
you don't know how long he's there for in Khafrene. I think, no, cause he, he, he mentions

(01:07:36):
like, I'm going to go see Tivik. Like he says that as he's getting into the ship and then
K2SO is like, I like it. I heard a rumor that we're going to Khafrene. I like it when
we have plans that aren't, that aren't just, you know, off the cuff type of thing, which
is what happens in Andor. So I think like this leads directly into, into that, that scene
pretty much. It does. Yeah. Well, he's analytical. He's an, what is it? Uh, I forget what it's

(01:07:58):
called the battlefield analyzer. So yeah, he definitely wants it to be more streamlined where Cassian
is kind of like, we're doing this right now. He's like, well, you got a 68% chance of
doing it. Yeah. Um, so like Josh, do you, do, do they give us any idea of what the time
gap is between the end of the, of this? It's seamless. It's seamless. Cause I think
it's literally just like the next day. Yeah. Like it has to be cause he's getting, he's

(01:08:20):
getting in the ship to go where he's in broke one and he's wearing the same outfit that he's
wearing. Yeah. It's the same, same jacket. It's the same jacket. It's got to be like 48
hours difference. However, however long it takes him to hyperspace to ring of Khafrene.
Yeah. Yeah. I'll probably be there for a while trying to figure out this information.
Well, he already knows who he's meeting though. That's the thing. Like they talked about that

(01:08:41):
in the episode. He's already, he already knows where he's going. He already knows who he's
meeting. Okay. Which, because like for me, as I, uh, when these episodes come out here
in Australia, like they come out around about 11 AM. So it's like in the middle of like a
work day for me. So, but for me, cause I, I freelance and everything, I have my own work
hours and stuff. So I, I watched the three episodes and as soon as like the third episode

(01:09:03):
ended, I'm like, crap, I have to put on a rogue one now. So then I put rogue one on straight
afterwards. And like immediately as like, and or goes up to Tivik and says, and Tivik
says, um, uh, or so like, or he said, he says something and then and or quickly interjects
and goes, Galen, Galen or so like, do you, is that, is that who you mean? Um, and I'm like,

(01:09:26):
wow, this is like, this makes so much more sense now how he was quickly able just to reconfirm
everything that he's heard by word of mouth from, um, from Klaela to Luthun, Klaela to Luthun
to that. And it just like, it just connects so well. Um, I mean, he looks a bit younger,
obviously. Um, so I mean, considering it was from 10 years ago, but yeah, but it's not,

(01:09:49):
it's not that much of a, it's not that much of a, of a difference. And I felt like I had
to watch rogue one straight afterwards for closure. Cause, um, yeah, it was just a, for
me, at least like the final montage closure, closure, closure. So I felt I was pretty covered
after that. It's nice that it leads right into his room. It's nice that it leads right

(01:10:13):
into, um, rogue one because rogue one leads right into new hope. So it's like, it's just
seamless. If you watch it back to back to back. Yeah. Josh, does that mean for now on,
you're going to watch the final arc of and or into rogue one into new hope. That's like,
it's like how I do, uh, revenge of the Sith now with clone wars finale. Exactly. Yeah.
All right. I don't know what it was for me, but the, yeah, the final, uh, like the final

(01:10:37):
compilation, like, uh, I don't get emotional that much. I think I mentioned last time, like
watching when it panned back to Cyril's like mother back on Coruscant, like I did, but I
don't know, like feel it like the end of this episode. Um, just even though like the inside
of me was like, I was hoping for a big, you know, action packed finale, but as it was
closing out and I knew and or was going off to rogue one and everything to, to the events

(01:10:59):
of rogue one, like I was getting emotional. I'm like, Oh shit, this episode is ending. And
I've, I've had, I've got an attachment to all these, uh, these characters who are just
like sitting down, you know, having breakfast, getting ready for another day or on Yavin and
stuff. And, um, yeah, for me, like it wasn't, I was expecting a big action packed finale going
into this episode, but then I was so satisfied in such a different way, um, to, to the ending

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and which made me then waste another two and a half hours watching, watching rogue one.
Waste? You mean spend?
No waste. Spend. Spend.
Spend. I, I immediately, I immediately went back onto letterboxd and cause I'm all for
that now. And I rated, I gave rogue one, another, another revised rating given, uh, given and
or season one and two, which some people say sacrilege cause you need to write everything

(01:11:43):
on its own. Yeah.
But, uh, I was very happy to, uh, to, to, to rate it again, rate it higher. So.
Awesome. Um, all right. So, uh, let's, uh, let's talk about the minute things here.
Uh, runtime tracker. So, uh, as you know, I've been keeping track of the true runtime for
a lot of these episodes cause Disney plus false advertises, uh, seven minutes of credits

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and all. And then of course all the intros and the recaps of the previous episodes. So
if we trim all that off and keep just the Andor logo along with all of the footage until
you cut to black, um, and or season two has officially won the current contest of episodes
over 35 minutes. Um, albeit the most recent three were some of the shorter episodes in

(01:12:30):
this entire season. So episode 10 of season two clocked in at 41 minutes and 12 seconds.
Um, and, uh, so that's in the green, we got two yellows following up. So season two, episode
11 was actually 34 minutes and 59 seconds. Uh, but there is a bit of black between where

(01:12:51):
it cuts and where the credits begin. So I gave it a one second buffer generously awarded to
make sure that it hit that 35 minute mark. Um, so otherwise it would have been like season
one where we had 11 out of 12 hitting 35 minutes for the gold standard. And then season two, uh,
two episode 12 was clocking in at 38 minutes and 32 seconds. So, um, some of the, some of

(01:13:13):
the shorter episodes of the whole show, uh, but you know, a great story nonetheless, the
black. So Josh, does that mean you're satisfied? Yeah, I am. I mean, it beats skeleton crews two
out of eight, only hitting 25% of the younger audience, but yeah. Yeah. Who cares? You know,
like, like a younger audience, like at least give us 35 minutes, you know? Right. Fair enough.

(01:13:34):
I'm curious. The, the part you're talking about that stretched it at like black section of the
movie. Was that the fade to black? That was like super long. Uh, no, that wasn't, that was actually,
so you're talking about episode 10. Um, that was probably like a 10 second fade out, but that was
still one minute over 40 minutes. Okay. Um, but the gold standard is 35 onwards. Uh, so I've

(01:13:55):
separated into tears. Red is above 20 minutes. Yellow is above 30. Uh, green is above 40 and neon green
is above 50. So there's only four neon greens in like all of Star Wars television, but, uh, or three
actually, is it three or four? Yeah. Four. Um, anyway, most of Andor has been green. There's been
a few yellows that's like North of 30, but to get a gold star, you have to have over 35 minutes runtime.

(01:14:19):
Um, and, uh, season one came in at 11 out of 12 episodes, hitting 35 minutes at least. Uh, season one,
episode two was the one that only clocked in at 30 minutes and 16 seconds. That was a really short one.
So that's why for this one, I was like, Ooh, it's almost at 11 out of 12, but I'll award it one
extra second just so that we can make sure that is known. Hold on. You gotta hit the liar button.

(01:14:42):
Where's the liar button? Where's the liar button? Oh yeah. Okay. Sorry. I just did the sound effect
myself. There we go. Kirk, you're almost good. I could have just rolled with that. Yeah. Uh, okay.
So should we just record everyone saying their own version of liar?
Every, every time we press that button, it randomizes it. That'd be so funny.

(01:15:04):
Yeah, we really should. Um, all right, let's give this guy some Pabllo Points of Poodoos.
All right. So, uh, Pabllo Points of Poodoos is our rating system on the podcast.
Three Pabllo Poodoos is the worst of the worst. Two Pabllo Poodoos is really bad. One Pabllo Poodoos is

(01:15:31):
bad. A Bendu is a 50% mediocre score. One Pabllo Point is good. Two Pabllo Points is great. And three
is fantastic. So, uh, you know, we'll start with you, uh, Kirk, what would you give this story arc?
Uh, well, uh, as in each individual episodes, um, I think, uh, this whole story arc, I probably give a

(01:15:58):
2.5 with the first episode being a three, second episode being a 2.5, and then the third and final
episode for me being a 2.5 as well. Okay. So we're going to round down to a 2.5 for the story arc?
Yeah, for the whole thing, I reckon 2.5 is, uh, is good for me. Alrighty. Okay. Uh, Dan, what about

(01:16:20):
you, sir? This is peak Star Wars for me. It's my favorite show out of all the Star Wars shows,
and I give it a 3.3.3.3. Nice. All right. Look at that. Oh, damn. I want, I want, I want to give
it a triple three now. Too late. All right. Uh, Blake, what about you?

(01:16:43):
This one's actually harder for me to rate than the last arc. I really liked the first episode,
so I'd probably give that a solid 2.5. Second one was, I will say the other two,
so the second and third, I appreciate more since this conversation. I would say the second one,
probably give it a 2. And the third one, there's just, there's something at the end,

(01:17:04):
I just felt very unsatisfied. I think it mainly just had to do with that we got a very small action
scene at the start. And then the rest of it just felt like. Segway. Filler to get to Rogue One.
All right. Like we, like we have to check all the boxes. And so I probably only give that one like
a one and a half. Oh man. Okay. So when you. So that averages to a two. So if you average it out,

(01:17:27):
we're looking at a two, a triple two then for the story arc? Uh, it's two and a half to 1.5. Average
of two. Average of two. Yeah. So two. Okay. Yeah. So I, for context, IGN gave this one an eight
last week. IGN gave out a 10. So. Oh, we don't care about IGN. I know. I know. We don't care
about IGN, but I'm just saying like, they've been doing it as like story arc by arc, you know,

(01:17:50):
even though it's separated into episodes, it's really a trio that tells like one story. Yeah. So.
Which is what we're doing. Which is what we're doing. That's why we haven't, I haven't seen,
um, I haven't seen the penguin, but apparently they gave like the penguin, like a five out
of 10 and I heard the shows are great. So it was awesome. They gave a five out of 10. What's

(01:18:10):
wrong with them? Yeah. They got a lot of flack for that. I think it was actually revised. Like
it started off. It, they put it out as a three out of 10 and then they changed it to a five
or something. I don't know. I don't know what, what was going on there, but I think, uh, with,
I don't want to talk about IGN too much, but I think what they do is that they have just
independent reviewers and brand it as like a holistic, like IGN review, which I think

(01:18:32):
is, does not work. Yeah. I think you're right about that. Uh, Kyle, I would ask you your
Pablo points of Pudus. I'm not going to write them down just yet. Cause you haven't finished
the story, but, um, but so far just on average for the first episode, for the, for the whole
show, just in general, where are you sitting? Like, where are you sitting in general for the,
for the show that you've seen? I'm a solid two. I'm a solid two, but I, I believe at the

(01:18:55):
end, uh, it might go up just because of the fact that, uh, I really love that seamlessness.
So, and as soon as I've done it tonight, I'm going to pop on road one. So I'm going to give
it a solid two right now, but once I'm done, I will, uh, just go in the chat and I'll let
you guys know if I bump into that 2.5. Okay. All right. Sounds good. Uh, also I will read
out the, as of this moment, we have the final team averages, uh, going from first to the

(01:19:20):
last. So Nick still giving poo dues. No, actually I think, uh, Nick actually changed
his mind. He, uh, he's been given 2.5 lately. So, okay. So, um, full reversal. So, so Nick
bringing down the team average for the first one, two, three, four, five episodes, we were
sitting at a team average of 1.5 Pablo points. Uh, we went to two Pablo points for what was

(01:19:43):
the episode six. And then we've been an average of 2.5 Pablo points for episode seven onwards
through 12. So, uh, you know, in general sitting really nicely, um, very not diverse
at all. Um, you know, and, and that's kind of a good thing because you know, it's widely
considered a very good show. So, um, you know, one more thing, uh, orbit key is having a final

(01:20:05):
clearance sale for their star Wars stuff. It's all going, they're doing 50% off a lot of stuff
on the site. So go visit orbit key.com slash collection slash star dash wars. Uh, Kirk, you're
a big fan of orbit key. I sure am a big fan of orbit key. I don't, uh, I, uh, I, I love
their products. I used to work with them until they promoted me to customer. But, um, apart

(01:20:29):
from that in a good, in a good way, I didn't get fired. I'll, I won't put that out, but
yes, I think, I think they're finishing up their, uh, I will, I think they're finishing
up their star Wars line now. So definitely if you want to want to get them, I think mostly
everything's like 50% off or something. I saw all of it, all of it was limited edition while
it was coming out. The first wave was a couple of the key organizers, uh, number of years

(01:20:50):
ago. And that's, that's when you and I started talking, uh, over email before we, uh, you
know, brought you on. That's how you found me. Until we, until we became friends. Yeah.
Yeah. I've still, to this day, I think, I think you just wanted free product, but, uh, who
knows? Maybe you've got some other benefit out of me.
Was that like nine years ago?
I got something better. I got friends. I got family.
Family. Dom, Dom, Dominic Toretto. Anyway, uh,

(01:21:13):
like a pod racer, fast and furious pod racing style. Uh, all right. Yeah. So anyway, go
and check out orbit key, uh, grab some of the final star Wars things before they're all
gone before a star Wars doesn't come back. Who knows if it comes back or not, but, uh,
yeah, go and check that out. All right.
Uh, you mind if I do a final little point for the next upcoming, um, conventions.
All right. So I, I just finished over in Calgary. Calgary was amazing. I love all you guys

(01:21:37):
out there. Thank you for coming on by, um, Prince George. Again, I love, that's one of my
favorite conventions in the, in the country. So it was really nice being out there too.
My next convention, I'm heading out to Niagara falls for the, for the Niagara falls comic
con. But this year, if you, if everybody that's here, you can check it out at Canada fan expo
this year in Toronto, you and McGregor is going to be there. So I've already got my tickets.

(01:22:00):
I'm going to go meet them. Oh yes. All righty. Oh yeah. Thank you for that mention. Yeah. I
totally forgot a fan expo coming up. Star Wars people will be there. Uh, so yeah, thank you for
that Kyle. Also for anyone listening, go and check out, uh, what's the website?
Kyle. It's kaisabers.ca. And right now, again, we got that buy one, get one free for your
kids. Alrighty. Yeah. Go and check that out. And a great deal on the, uh, the youngling

(01:22:22):
sabers, uh, for anyone who has got birthdays coming up, it's buy one, get one free. Great.
If you have some twins for late star Wars day celebration. Yeah. Late star Wars day celebration.
You can make yourself a saber staff. Um, yeah, good stuff. Yeah. So thanks colors for sounds.
It's a great, it's a great little system. Exactly. All right. Awesome.
Um, next week we have, um, well next week, this episode drops, but, uh, the week after

(01:22:47):
we're going to have, uh, some discussions for the tales of the underworld animated show
that came out on May 4th. Uh, and then after that follows a novel review called reign of
the empire mask of fear, which is a book that, uh, is going to be part of a trilogy that they're
releasing one each year for the next three years. And it is a prequel as slash lead into

(01:23:08):
and or, you know, in a, in a sort of loose way. Um, so far the first one has focused on
characters like Saw Gerrera, Mon Mothma, Bael Organa, and so on. So, uh, we're reading that
right now. We're going to give that a nice review, uh, in a few weeks and, um, we'll see what
everyone thinks about it. All right. Thank you so much to, uh, to Dan, Kirk, Kyle. Um, also

(01:23:31):
Matt and Darian, uh, and Shauna. Um, I can't, I I'm blanking now. And if anyone else joined
for the and or, oh yeah, he's coming, he's coming and or after show. Uh, so thank you
all for, uh, being lovely, uh, lovely people joining on and, uh, and last but not least,
uh, Blake, our lovely cohost. Thank you so much for always coming here and being part of

(01:23:52):
the show. We could not do it without you. Uh, so, um, yeah, that's everybody. It's been
an honor as always looking forward to the next one. We'll see you out there. Keep flying.
All righty. Thank you all. And thank you to our lovely audience for, uh, tuning in so far.
Uh, we've got, like I said, tons of awesome stuff coming up and, uh, you know, be sure

(01:24:18):
to check that out. Uh, one thing I definitely forgot to plug is star Wars launch pad. It is
a AI experimental podcast that we've been doing to, uh, get star Wars news out there.
And, uh, the last one that we did was actually day three of star Wars celebration. Uh, we had
coverage over the whole weekend, one for each day. Uh, it's very, uh, they're very easy to do

(01:24:39):
and, uh, they don't take too long. Most of the discussion is AI generated from, uh, some, uh,
program that you can find online called notebook LM. It's just a really great format for us to get news
out there that you can listen to in under 20 minutes. Uh, this has not replaced any part of
star Wars escape pod at all. It's just something that we're doing on the side. So, uh, go and check

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YouTube music, all that stuff. You can find us with the handle at SW escape podcast on YouTube,
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(01:25:20):
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