Cad Bane's Rise To Revenge | Tales of the Underworld (Part 2) - Star Wars Escape Pod

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Time to abandon ship!

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Oh no!
Here we go!
Can I persuade you to join us for a drink?
It's a tradition.
Here, here.
Jar Jar, homie, my main man, quickly.
Before the separatists attack, get into the escape pod.

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Hey!
This is escape!
Then we're the pod!
This is escape!
The pod!
Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod and our second Tales of the Underworld after show.
Talking all about the three Cat Bane episodes that happened.

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These episodes all debuted on May 4th, 2025.
And we've got our co-host Blake and Darian joining us in the escape pod this week for
a deep dive on Cad Bane in Tales of the Underworld.
This is the origin story of Cad Bane.
In the meantime, definitely go and check out the Asajj Ventress one we did last week, as

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well as all our and or after shows.
Those for season two were super fun to do.
And what a great show that was.
So definitely go and check those out as well.
Social handle at swescapepodcast.
I just wanted to throw that out there.
And we got some more little announcements when we get going here.
So, let's get into it.

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Another happy landing.
All right.
Welcome back.
And hello, Blake.
For some reason, when I saw you moving that slider for the volume, I just like was in my
head.
I just all of a sudden started hearing the Book of Boba Fett theme song.
That one.

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You mean...
Oh, is it still there?
Is it here?
Jeb Arood with fear.
You also did not listen to Star Wars Escape Art.
If you know what's good for you, tune in, subscribe, share this show with a partner
in crime, and leave a good review.
There we go.
That's the only one, man.
That's the one.
I had two bobas on the soundboard.
I was like, oh, what's this one?

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Nope.
Not that one.
Yeah.
That's exactly what went to my head there.
Anyway.
Yeah.
So good.
Man, such Western vibes in this arc.
I really love that a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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I love that.
I love how it's kind of progressively gotten more and more kind of cowboy as his story,
as his character has been developed because when he...
You could judge the amount of cowboy by how thick his accent becomes.
Oh, yeah.
The music from season two when...
Or the finale of season one when he was first introduced, like it was...
It's that kind of jingle that they have kind of warped and mutated into his theme.

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And it's amazing.
But anyway, we'll get into it.
Welcome back to the show, Darian.
Always good to have you back.
Hello, sir.
Glad to be here.
It's good to know that I'm just blending in with the furniture now.
Sorry about that.
Part of the ship.
Part of the crew.
Before we do get started going on here, I did want to say, I think it was two years
ago, we did a giveaway for a lovely company called Orbit Key.

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Orbit Key.
And Orbit Key, as you know, our friend Kirk, who co-host here on the Escape Pod now, was
very much a big part of that company once upon a time.
In the before times.
In the before times, yeah.
In the before times, yeah.
But we've always, you know, ever since the enthusiasm that we had from him when he was
working at Orbit Key, we've all been fairly excited about the company.

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And, you know, they've shipped out some stuff for us to sample and all the products have
been great.
And they've had some restructuring happening and things were, I guess, sort of absent for
a little while with our communication with the stuff at Orbit Key and they announced a
few new things in that time period.
But I feel like I've always kind of tried to send out tweets and messages in our Discord

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and just things like that when new Star Wars stuff comes out.
Because I do that anyways, right?
Love Orbit Key as a company.
Anyway, long story short, we're going to do another giveaway.
Oh, cool.
Yeah, with the final kind of remnants of the Star Wars IP that they have or had.
Oh, nice.
Okay.
First off, they have a giant sale happening on Orbit Key on the website.

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So I was actually eyeing up the Darth Vader Nest version 2 when the sale kicked in and
then I ran into difficulty buying it.
And I was like, I'll do it another day.
Went back to the website.
All out of stock.
Yeah, that's how it works, man.
Yeah, that's how it works.
That's probably why it wasn't working in order in the first place.
I know, right?
That's the worst.
So it's in stock, but it's not working.

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Yeah, it's a terrible feeling.
But anyway, whatever the case, I definitely want to encourage anyone who was checking out
anything at Orbit Key at all, definitely go give them a look and jump on the sale over
there happening.
Once the Star Wars stuff is gone, it's not coming back.
It was all limited edition when they first announced and released all these things that's
been floating around for about two years.

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And the key organizers are super well made and real solid.
Oh, they are.
I'm still using mine.
I see.
You got it.
Yeah, I still have it here.
Well, here in the podcast room.
I take with me everywhere now.
It's real leather.
I love that.
It is.
And they have the engraving of the quote on the inside.
I have a mint condition Ahsoka right here in the podcast room.
We keep as a little trophy to kind of remind us of the-
Oh, yeah.
It's in that acrylic box.

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The lovely friendship at Orbit Key, but it's an acrylic box.
No, I should put it in an acrylic box.
Limited edition, dude.
That's right.
But anyway, go and check them out.
Go and take a look.
And we will be doing a giveaway very soon.
I'm just waiting to hear back on some final details.
So more details to come on that.
But a number of things to give away, I believe.

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There is some nest boxes, some tote bags, and some Grogu key organizers,
if my memory serves correctly.
Cool.
So this time we might have multiple winners, which is great.
Oh, yeah.
Because the last time we just had one.
So, yeah, look forward to that.
Follow the socials on Orbit Key.
And I think that's the housekeeping for this week, I believe.
Cool.

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It's all good news in my books.
Yeah.
All right.
So without further ado, let's start kicking things off some Cad Bane here.
Darren, before I read off the plot of this, why don't you kick things off?
How did you like this particular story arc compared to the Ventress one that we all talked about last week?
I like this one, but it really went against what had been established for Cad Bane so far.

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But it didn't go against anything in a bad way, except for maybe the way that Duros are born.
Expand universe?
Like legends material lore about Duros?
Yeah.
So Duros are normally born through eggs and they go through like a larvae state.
And the Neboidians actually like abandoned their children.
So I thought it was really interesting because Duros and Neboidians are the same species, just one's a subspecies.

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Hmm.
Oh, I do remember reading that.
Yeah.
I was very surprised by that.
Interesting.
Okay.
So normally they would skip like an adolescent phase?
Well, so they're born through eggs and then they turn into larvae and the Duros raise them themselves.
And then the Neboidians have like a group sort of state run childcare thing.

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Right.
That would make sense.
I found it really interesting.
So was this sort of not your expectation?
Like did something in this story arc give you the impression that that had changed?
Yes.
Uh, Cad Bane's kid is raised by his childhood buddy and like she's, she's pregnant when Cad Bane goes to jail.
Hmm.
Gotcha.
All right.
Well, uh, maybe, maybe it's fertilized in the womb and then she lays an egg.

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Yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe.
Or maybe, maybe, maybe she's just different, you know, she's a freak of nature.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She wants to look after her own kid.
I mean, you know, she was jealous of all the mammals.
Yeah.
Uh, Blake, what'd you think of the story arc compared to the last one?
I actually enjoyed this one quite a bit more.
Yeah.

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And I feel like I like both characters equally, but this was a specific area that hadn't really
been explored as opposed to the stuff on Assange, which is felt a little clunky.
I know we kind of got stuck on that last week and I'm a big sucker for Western style stuff.
So this just the music and, uh, also a lot of the underworld stuff going on here.

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I would say this was more underworld like to me than the last arc.
I'm not sure if I would have reconsidered the last arc to be quotations underworld.
Yeah.
But overall I was very happy with this.
In fact, I can't even think of any specific critiques.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm kind of in the same boat.
Uh, I, I didn't really go in with any expectations and I knew as much as we were getting a story

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about Cadbean's childhood.
And, um, you know, I, at least from what I saw, I thought that was a really entertaining
story and I thought it may have played a big part in, in kind of explaining how he ends
up to be the way he is in some kind of mild manner.
Um, but, uh, I, I couldn't help but think because, because I, I don't watch a lot of Westerns.
Um, and I couldn't help but think maybe if my knowledge in that genre of film was better,

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that I would be able to draw way more parallels as we were talking about this, this week.
Uh, so, you know, I'm sure a lot of people out there would probably benefit from maybe
doing a little bit of research as well, just into.
Kind of wish Bryce was here right now.
I know he's, uh.
I feel like he would know.
More experienced in.
Some stuff.
Yeah.
Like even down to the titles of the episodes, like, I feel like there is definitely something

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that may, they may have been inspired with when telling this story or that story
or this title or that title or, or, or this character.
You know, who's he based on this and that.
Um, and, uh, yeah, definitely something to keep in mind.
And, and I hope maybe they, that they do some blogs at starwars.com that do kind of
give some insight into those stories.
And I always appreciate starwars.com for, uh, doing deep dives like that.

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Like, you know, getting into the material and, uh, giving behind the scenes.
And, you know, I really miss the rebels recon days when they did stuff on YouTube, but, uh,
yeah, I kind of wish they did stuff like that, uh, still, but you know, it is what it is.
Um, so yeah, I'll say there's one thing that I was a little surprised by and that was the
parallels between Cad Bane's, uh, let's call it a prequel storyline to like Ezra.

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Cause they're both were like street, street, yeah.
Street rats, street urchins.
And then they both end up joining like a, uh, underworld crew, but one ends up being led
by a Jedi and the other ones being like an actual criminal.
Yeah, I know.
It's a great point.
Um, and that, uh, great segue into this first episode here.
So what I'm going to do is going to read a little bit of the plot summary and then we'll
just kind of dive in.

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So this episode is called the good life.
Uh, and there we go in a bustling city to Duro street children, Colby and Nero, uh, scavenge
for food.
They are mistreated and labeled street rats.
A Duros businessman watches them steal fruit from a droid.
He later gives them a coin calling it an investment.
They use it to buy a candy from a wary, a qualish clerk.

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The next day, the businessman offers them more money for an errand at a grocery store.
He dislikes very much for the people that work there.
While the boys distract the owner with thrown out garbage, a gang robs the store's secret
casino at the back of the store.
The businessman shoots the owner and tells the boys to flee during the escape.

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Nero is captured by the police, but Colby escapes with the businessman who welcomes him
to his family and gives Nero's share of the money.
So that's a very kind of simply put summary there.
Um, interesting how he kind of starts off with his name.
Uh, did I get that?

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Cause he's not right.
I forget what it is.
Did you just say it?
Cause it, yeah, Colby.
Yeah.
That's right.
I was not expecting that.
Yeah.
It's such a North American name.
Yeah.
Was that just a nickname or like, I don't know.
I don't know.
His friend calls him that.
So I don't know when he changed his name to Cad.
Cad.
Yeah.
Darian, what'd you think of that?

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I thought it was an interesting departure from his expanded storyline.
It didn't really affect it too much, but I thought it was cool that the, the guy that
joins a gang and has a friend is the one that goes evil.
Yeah.
Uh, as opposed to the one that goes to prison.
I think what I really liked about this episode was it really is that like what you said,
Blake, like the street rat, uh, label, you know, put on them kind of very early in the

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episode.
Definitely makes it seem like, okay, uh, there, there was this innocence about them as these
two kids that were just kind of scrounging around and having fun together and digging
through trash bins and stuff like that.
Just trying to find food.
Yeah.
I mean, they maybe took advantage of people or droids in this case.

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Yeah.
But they also got to survive.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Same as Ezra.
Like, yeah, it was very, or, or, or Aladdin.
Yeah.
In a, in a Disney perspective, like you gotta, gotta live.
Right.
Very.
Yeah.
Kind of more mild, innocent crime.
Yeah.
Trying to do it as honorably or as you can.
Right.
So, yeah, I think like, like the comparison there between, you know, how Kanan finds Ezra

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and as a street rat kid and, and decides to take him on and mentor him is the same way
that this very, uh, you know, well, he's a very, uh, crooked businessman.
You know, he's like not a businessman.
No, he's obviously running some sort of crime ring.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and for him to take on Colby as a, as a, uh, what do you call it?

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Like a new member of the crew.
Yeah.
Kind of like as ward or something like that, whatever you want to call him.
Like it's getting to episode two, but it almost started to feel like a bit of an adopted
son.
Yeah.
Kind of relationship.
There is, there is something there.
And, uh, you know, you start to see, okay, this guy is really rubbing off on him, you
know?

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I mean, one thing maybe annoyed me a little bit is the guy who recruited or like, uh, brought
in Colby or Cad into, into his, uh, under his wing.
He just dressed exactly like Cad Bane.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just like exactly the same.
His accent is a little different.
Yeah.
So just another cowboy guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right, right down to the toothpick though.

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I think like, I kind of like that.
It's like, you know, you really, you really get that legacy kind of feeling from there
being this mentor character that has an effect on what makes Cad Bane this cowboy guy that's
gunslinging and doing crazy crimes and to make money.
And, you know, like he's, he's a character that we know later from season one or two of

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the clone wars.
He, I think it's season two, he breaks into the Jedi temple to steal a holocron.
Like who the heck does that?
You know?
And, uh, when Palpatine contacts him and reaches out to him to hire him for this job,
he says, I'll do anything for the right price.
And he's always of this mentality that like, as long as I'm being paid enough, it's worth
it to me.
Right.

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Which not many people would do.
I think that's also, that was kind of the EU Boba Fett thing too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Back in the day.
Like there's this, this side of him that you wonder like, like what, what made him
that way?
Yeah.
And like what made him seek out money beyond anything else.
Right.
This episode is called the good life and the seed planted for him being at, well, first

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off, he's a very susceptible child at the time.
Uh, he's really given this idea that money solves all his problems.
You know, like money is going to give him the good life.
It's going to give him the happiness he, he, he's looking for.
Right.
If anything was missing in his life, you know, this is what's going to solve that problem.
That's also kind of seen in the moment where the, did we ever find out the name of the

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guy who takes him in?
Uh, yeah, Laz, Lazlo, was it?
Lazlo.
That's right.
Yeah.
When Lazlo approaches the boys and offers them the, the job when they're going to kind
of do the heist or whatever from the grocery shop slash a casino, he says, okay, them five
times as much as the initial investment.
And then they, the boys talk to each other and the one boys like, I don't think we should

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trust this guy and then Cad Bane or Colby's like, yeah, you're right.
He turns around like make it 10.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
And then, and then he, and then he trades in his best friend is almost, almost brother
for those, um, you know, pieces of silver.
Yeah.
It has a tough situation to you though.
Cause like, what could he do to save his friend from being arrested?

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The cops already had him.
Right.
So like the only thing that would happen is he would go down too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, like, I mean, they're kids, like they're the police droids.
Like, what are they going to do?
Put, put kids in jail?
Like, right.
That obviously didn't happen.
They didn't kill anyone.
No, they didn't kill anyone.
Laszlo and his team.
Right.
Yeah.
They were just fleeing the scene cause they didn't want to get in trouble.
You know, they didn't want to get their hands slapped.

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Yeah.
And, uh, you know, and look what happened to him, right?
He, he was obviously affected by that day and his friend ended up becoming a quite the opposite
of what Cad or Colby became, you know, like he ended up becoming a lawman instead of criminal.
Which is kind of, kind of funny.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah.
Cause he would win one in prison.
If I do question what his prison sentence would have been considering he wasn't actually at fault, really.

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They kind of just some kid that got tricked into helping, but it is funny thinking, uh, someone with a criminal record then can become a marshal.
Anyway, sorry, Darian.
One was faced with consequence while the other was rewarded for the terrible behavior.
So I, I didn't find that that hard to believe.
And this is like, if you look at the first couple episodes, it's very 1920s in the style of it.

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It's the bad guys are the Western guys.
And then the other people have the attitude of like great Gatsby, Annie and Oliver sort of idea.
Even the way that they're dealt with and, and like the criminal underground abusing orphans is kind of like out of Oliver.
Hmm.
Oh, interesting.
Well, there, there is some, uh, there's some old movie, uh, references for you.
Yeah.

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At least one of us had them.
We're glad you're here.
Do you know where Cad Bane was based off of?
Yeah.
It was a Clint Eastwood, uh, man with no name.
Yeah.
I thought it was the good, the bad and the ugly Lee Van Cleef.
It may have been that as well.
Uh, I think I, it was definitely, it was definitely, it was a Clint Eastwood character.
It was a Clint Eastwood character though.
Yeah.
Um, I feel like the man with no name sounds very familiar.

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If I think back to like any interviews that I heard of, but, um, but that other, the good,
the bad and the ugly sounds like a familiar movie as well.
So like, I don't know if maybe my memories are here, but it's a Clint Eastwood movie.
It's probably his most famous one.
It was huge when I was a kid and Lee Van Cleef is kind of like the vicious, uh,
um, yeah, he's one of the trio, but he's the one that will do anything for a dime sort

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of thing.
Uh, yeah.
He seems horrible, but at the end you see that he's truly the most vicious of them.
Yeah.
Lee Van Cleef.
Yeah, I know it.
Yeah.
George really wanted the character to resemble Lee Van Cleef, uh, the actor from the good,
the bad and the ugly, uh, explained in 2008.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.

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So, uh, yeah, very, very great, you know, a great start to the arc.
Uh, I thought it was a really nice introduction to, um, kind of how these boys get separated.
You know, what, like what, what's that, what's that hook, right?
Like what's the seed that's planted?
Um, what, what kind of life they had before and all that stuff is very important.
So.
I had a couple of small notes.

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I will say one thing that really took me by surprise.
And I do find kind of jarring between episode one and episode two is Cad Bane's voice.
Oh yeah.
It just changed this so much.
He just has no Western accent at all in this first episode.
I think, I think that's kind of another thing that they give you the idea that has rubbed

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off on him as he's grown up.
Like, like, it sounds like he's almost like doing it on purpose.
He's adopted the accent of his.
Yeah.
It's like if we, we moved to England and then tried to talk with an English accent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I guess, well, I guess if you're young enough though.
Right.
You pick up a bit.
Yeah.
Like.
It was a lot though.
Cause I think it's, I think it's like age 13, your accent kind of like solidifies.

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It doesn't change a lot after that.
So, so my, like my, my mom used to be a, well, she, she, she's English.
Um, but then she grew up in Holland and then she eventually moved here.
Uh, but she used to have a British accent like back when she was a kid.
And then she worked very hard to try and lose the accent because, because she wanted to try

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and fit in with like other people here.
Right.
And, uh, it's like, okay, that's fair.
Uh, but I think what was, it's kind of interesting because like, yeah, that was when she was in
her like teens kind of, you know?
So, um, I guess it was just, I guess to me, I did, it didn't really bother me all that much.
Cause, cause it showed me that it's like, Oh, this, this kid really, uh, looks up to this

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guy, you know?
Like he, everything about him, like his, his clothing, the way he talks, the way, what kind
of jobs he takes on, like his morals, like, you know, what, why he does what he does for
money, you know, like pretty much, pretty much everything.
And, uh, he just becomes that character.
Yeah.
He's just kind of slowly becoming that character.
Because if you think about it, he's like this cat, this kid is like a clean slate.
He's had no mentors.

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He's had no father figure.
He's had no family.
In fact, it's directly in a line says that like, he didn't really know his family.
Cause he was so young when they passed or whatever.
Yeah.
And it really gives meaning to like when he, when Laszlo passes him the, or tosses him some
money and he's like, call it an investment.
He's really like, he really, it really is, you know, like he's really kind of banking
on like these kids will see the value of this, or at least one of them will.

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And, uh, you know, I'm going to essentially gain their loyalty.
It's like cheap loyalty buying someone who is desperate like that and of that age.
Very, uh, very, uh, susceptible.
Give them a taste of the good life.
Exactly.
Impressionable.
Yeah.
Impressionable.
Yeah.
That's the word I'm looking for.
All right.
Yeah.
I love what they call that the good life.

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They, they get some candy and it's like, Oh, it doesn't get better than this.
Yeah.
They're still just sleeping in an alley, like trash cans.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did they ever see what planet this was on?
Was this Duros?
I think it's Duro.
Duro.
Okay.
I think so.
Yeah.
So many humans.
There was a lot of Duros as well, but there's way more humans than I expected.
Yeah.

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Maybe it's just the variety of models they had to choose from.
Maybe they didn't.
Could be.
I did.
I did see some Mandalore models in this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, all right.
So let's.
First time we ever saw a fat Duros.
Oh yeah.
That was funny.
Yeah.
Casino guy.
Just look like a walrus.
Loved it.
Loved it.
All right.

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Um, what are we going to give this for Pablo points of Pudus?
We've got to keep things flowing here.
So, um, do you want to do them at the end or as we go?
We'll just kind of do them as we go.
Uh, so our rating system on the podcast is actually, well, I don't know.
What the heck do you, do you want to do them now or at the end?
That's to the end.
Okay.
We'll do.
Okay.
We'll do at the end.
We'll do, we'll do them all separately at the end.

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All right.
All right.
Let's move on to the next one.
Uh, this, uh, this one is called a good life or sorry, a good turn.
So we've got the first one is the good life.
The good life.
Second one is called a good turn.
All right.
In an industrial area, a young boy and others pass a device to a man who brings it to gang
members.
Colby wants to join Laszlo on an operation in his old neighborhood, but Laszlo orders him

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to stay and Aaron to watch him.
Laszlo departs with his crew.
Later their ship crash lands.
Laszlo is dead, killed by lawmen.
Colby takes Laszlo's hat and vows revenge.
Colby and Aaron arrive at a desert planet in his old neighborhood.
Colby now called Cad meets his childhood friend Nero.
Now a deputy marshal.
Cad warns Nero to stay away from his messy business.

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And Nero warns Cad against causing trouble.
Cad learns the marshal killed Laszlo and promises revenge.
Nero insists the authorities are improving the area and advises Cad to leave.
Aaron convinces Cad to go sharing a look with Nero and Aaron tries to dissuade Cad from
revenge, warning of the danger.
He ignores her and leaves.
She follows concerned.

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Nero enters the police station, placing his blaster in a locker.
The marshal asks if he reached Colby, noting Colby's stubbornness and the potential for
escalation.
The marshal tells Nero to be ready and Cad throws a grenade into his old candy store.
Police droids respond.
Nero rushes to his blaster, but the marshal tells him to stand down and takes his own weapon,

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stating it's not Nero's decision if Cad lives.
Aaron sees the explosion.
At the burning store, the marshal finds destroyed droids and hears Cad.
Cad, identifying himself as Cad Bane, confronts the marshal.
Both reach for their blasters.
Nero leaves the station.
The marshal demands Bane surrender and they draw weapons.
Nero arrives and pleads with Cad not to shoot, distracting the marshal.
But Bane shoots the marshal, who also fires, hitting Aaron instead.

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Aaron tells Bane to flee, but she refuses.
Nero grabs the marshal's blaster as the police arrive.
He tells Bane to surrender.
Bane tells Aaron he will finish it.
Aaron throws Bane's blaster to Nero, calling Bane a traitor for giving her no choice.
Bane is arrested.
Nero asks if revenge was worth it and Bane replies, it will be.
So there was a lot that actually happened in this episode.
It was very, very much about the falling out of this relationship between him and Nero.

(26:09):
Yeah.
A childhood friendship.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that was kind of crazy to see.
And you also kind of got to see Nero's mentor, who is the marshal that runs the police department.
You know, even though it was droids who captured this kid as a, as a kid.
I think it's just the two of them and like a whole bunch of droids.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(26:30):
I think so.
Cause they're trying to like clean up the area and rebuild order to the community.
And so it's possible.
I don't, I forget if this was confirmed in the story, but it was definitely possible that,
um, that the marshal has had a very large impact on Nero just as Laszlo has had a large impact on, on Colby.
Um, so you kind of have those parallel stories happening kind of at the same time off screen with, with the other one.

(26:53):
And, uh, yeah, what a climactic ending.
Uh, so Darian, what do you, what do you think of this episode?
I thought this was a really good episode.
It was filled with a lot of character development and a fair bit of action.
Like this is where Bane really grows into who he becomes.
And you get to see the flaws that he has right through the clone wars.
And it's more raw form, like his impatience that is, he really always wants to kind of follow this, uh, weird morality that he, he tries to like use his patience and whatnot overriding that, but he never really truly succeeds.

(27:29):
So I thought that was interesting seeing that unbridled.
Yeah.
Uh, where do you guys think that this takes place in the timeline?
Cause I was trying to, I was thinking about this too, for the third episode, cause there's definitely a time jump between these.
Yeah.
So I was trying to kind of get an idea in my head of how long each of these were.
Hmm.
I'd say the third episode is probably five to 10 years before the clone wars, because he still needs time to establish himself as a bounty hunter between being this like weird outlaw to the clone wars.

(27:59):
The clone wars.
Like in the clone wars, he's, he had already been established as trying to overtake, uh, Jango Fett as the best bounty hunter in the universe.
Mm hmm.
In the universe.
I like that.
I always say galaxy, but yeah, no, it's definitely the universe.
There's no one in our galaxy.
That's like any better.
Either of those guys.

(28:20):
That's right.
Yeah.
Well, remember there's multiple galaxies in star Wars.
It's true.
Yep.
Yeah.
Good, good point.
Um, so yeah.
Um, Blake, what'd you think about this one?
I don't know if I could add much more than what Darian said.
Honestly, this was a really good episode for just seeing that arc, uh, of seeing Cad Bane kind of come into how we, uh, see him in the clone wars, but yeah, just a little bit rougher.

(28:47):
And then we'll see in episode three, after he's had time in prison, like he's more solidified into what we're used to.
Yeah.
And just seeing that him having to confront his innocent past and then choosing revenge over anything else.
Really?
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
And the thing that took me by surprise the most, cause at the beginning of the episode, when Laszlo tells the female Duros to look after him, I just, uh, something about the way they had talked.

(29:16):
And you can't really tell age too well between the different Duros characters.
Yeah.
I thought she was gonna be more of like a mother character.
Yeah.
I think maybe she might be like maybe a couple years older, but not by much.
Yeah.
I think she was just maybe, maybe more kind of like there as a, you know, Hey, just watch him.
And cause he's like the most inexperienced of the group, I guess.
Yeah.

(29:37):
But then you see towards the end, like, it's very obvious that they have a relationship.
Yeah.
But that, I don't, I didn't think that was, uh, narrowly told very well.
Right.
I don't know.
Maybe you guys saw that differently, but no, I totally didn't see that.
Um, the, the way that they played it off in the third episode, I was like, Oh wow.
They kind of got together.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's a lot more revealed there too.

(29:58):
Yeah.
Anyway.
Um, yeah, but because I was gonna say because of that relationship with her going into the
third episode adds this extra dimension to, uh, Cad Bane that I never really had considered
before.
Cause he is very, um, I'm blanking out.
No, I was going to say like, he's never seemed like he's been interested in, uh, any sort
of relationship.
No, he isn't.

(30:19):
Through Clone Wars.
Celibate.
Yeah.
Yep.
Which I never really thought about, but cause I think, I feel like if you do Westerns that
are always kind of ladies, man, but Cad Bane was very like just a job.
You could argue this cause it's a kid show, but yeah.
Well, I think we see here, I think he was so spurned by what happened that it just like
just hardened him.
Yeah.
You know, and maybe I'm getting ahead too much.

(30:41):
Well, no, I mean like, you know, it's a good thing to bring up though.
And like, yeah, another thing that just kind of add onto that is that we've seen a number
of times through book of Boba and Clone Wars that his character is very, very driven by,
uh, having a, uh, here's a quote that he usually says a score to settle.
Right.
You know, I got to settle the score.

(31:03):
Right.
He's always, he's always saying that, you know, he's always like, he's always got to
beat the guy on top.
He's always got to be the guy who had the last shot or the last word and anything.
Right.
All those who gain power are afraid to lose it.
That's right.
So, yeah, it's like, man, I think like this was a very great story for just kind of showcasing

(31:25):
that, that last straw, that kind of, I don't know, just like the, the twig that snaps him
and he's just off to the races.
Now he's like, he's just kind of driven by, by vengeance, like all the time.
And, and, you know, you pair that up with a job in his profession and it's like a bit
of a toxic mix, you know, like not every bounty hunter is a bad guy, but Cad Bane is a bad

(31:46):
guy.
Like he's a villain.
And, uh, it's not usually a profession that the most kind hearted people are going to go
into.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, it's totally true.
Um, mind you, you know, bounty hunters don't all need to kill people.
Like they can take jobs that, you know, it's capture jobs.
Well, the most honorable people tend to be like Django.
Right.
Yeah.

(32:07):
And Django's done some, and Django's definitely done some shady stuff, but he's, he's definitely
an honorable guy.
Right.
Like he's an honor.
He's got honor to him, to him as a person.
And a lot of the other bounty hunters see that as his flaw though.
Yeah, probably.
Because that gives him like a weak spot.
Yeah.
Cause some of them are scumbags, but like, let's not forget like Din Djarin, Din Djarin is
a man is a, is a bounty hunter.

(32:28):
Right.
Yeah.
But I think that's his whole story arc though.
Cause when we meet him, I think he is kind of just do whatever you gotta do to get the job done.
It doesn't matter.
Yeah.
And then he has a change of heart and, and you know, we realize, we realize as an audience,
like, Oh, this guy's a good guy.
Like he's, he's not going to just do anything for money.
Yeah.
And I think that's kind of where Cad Bain is quite an opposite is like, he will do anything.

(32:50):
He will trade in his best friend for money.
Like he will.
This is actually making me think, I kind of wish that Mando had been a little bit rough
around the edges.
On the edges.
Like a, Oh, I was going to, it's not Pat's Vizsla.
The other Vizsla.
Pre Vizsla.
Pre Vizsla.
Pre Vizsla was very, very political guy though.
True.
Like, well, pre Vizsla had share that they're, they have this weird lust for their status,

(33:13):
right?
That's a major motivation.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah.
Which Cad Bain has as well.
Bring a full circle.
I'd say that that's Cad Bain's major personality is that everything is about status with him.
Like even Toto is the perfect personification of his lust for status.
Like it's, it's this thing that he's wanted since he was a little kid in the expanded universe

(33:38):
and he finally gets it and he uses it as like a bomb and a distraction and he just kicks
it around and treats it like garbage because he, once he got that level of status to have
a servant droid, it was not enough for him anymore.
It was this stepping stone that was beneath them now.
Right.
That's actually a good point.
I had no idea that he was longing for that as a child.

(33:59):
That's an EU story.
Yeah.
I think it, I can't remember where it's mentioned, but I think maybe in Clone Wars as well,
it mentions that who would have thought a boy from the slums would want one day have a,
uh, servant droid like Toto.
Right.
I had no idea.
I don't think, uh, like after a toilet.
Yeah.
Like Toto, Toto, he, he, he, he, he, that was, um, a character in Clone Wars that showed

(34:23):
up.
It was weird.
Like he died at one point and then he came back.
It was a droid.
Did he just get a new one?
Yeah.
I guess he just got another one, but yeah, it was just one.
No, Anakin rebuilt him.
The Toto droid?
Yeah.
Used at the bombing of the, uh, the Jedi temple.
Doesn't Anakin rebuild him?
Well, it doesn't show that.
It doesn't indicate that at all either.
Cause then later in the show when Cad Bane pops up, he's got another Toto.

(34:46):
They should name him Toe too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, um, so I'm, I'm always very surprised that some things like some things in Clone Wars
aren't the, like the verbal context isn't really there, uh, for a lot of things.
But, um, but yeah, Toto was always one of those mysteries to me.
I was like, Oh, is it the same droid or is it just another?
Is it just another unit or something like that?
Like, I don't, I don't really know, but, um, yeah.

(35:08):
Uh, so I know there's a lot of like other material surrounding Clone Wars from the legends
days because Clone Wars did come out in parallel with a lot of the EU stuff.
And, uh, there were elastic books and stuff too.
Yeah.
Scholastic books.
I know Dark Horse did like an entire, the Clone Wars, like comic series that kind of
branched off of the show in many times.

(35:30):
But when Disney kind of came in with the chopping block, like all that stuff was swept aside.
So like technically none of it happened.
Like it's, it's, it's really just kind of, they kept the events of the show, like the
actual show itself is still canon, but all of the surrounding material was kind of left
to the, the, the legends chopping block.
Um, so I don't, I don't really know like how many of these stories that they kind of added

(35:54):
lore onto, especially around Cad Bane that they're planning on keeping as relevant to
kind of where they plan to make more stories with the character.
But, uh, that plays into everybody's character, you know, that's like everybody.
Um, but I hope, you know, hopefully if there's any good stuff in the old EU version of, of,
you know, after he first showed up in, in season one of Clone Wars that, uh, you know,

(36:15):
hopefully, um, to re-canonize it. Yeah. Or bring it back or, you know, whatever. Right.
Dave's pretty good at that.
And one thing I did notice is all three of these episodes were actually written by Dave Filoni.
Yeah. Yeah.
Uh, I didn't check the, the Asajj stuff, but the Cad Bane ones were for sure.
Yeah. You know, Dave, I guess he has a good time doing these tales, I think.
Cause like, yeah, they're very back to Clone Wars days and he's so attached to these characters too.

(36:40):
Yeah. And it's still a way of like, if you look at all the tales of shows, like
they are very like kind of like Clone Wars, very anthology based stories and very diverse in the
characters that they're telling narratives for. And, and it's like, oh yeah. Like that, that was Clone Wars.
Like Clone Wars did that. Like they, that we saw a different, we had different character arc stories
and different character showcases.

(37:02):
Different styles and themes.
And yeah.
Yeah. Like it was all very cowboy stuff. There was Godzilla.
Totally. There was very colorful when it came to the stories that they were telling.
Bottle episodes of viruses.
Yeah. So this is, I think his new, and he's so busy with all the, you know, new stuff,
like live action shows and movies and stuff like that, that, you know, I think this is
kind of his escape. Like, it's like, Hey, I do want to like still write.

(37:23):
I'm glad, I'm glad he is. Cause he was done such a good job.
He's done such a good job.
Yeah. Yeah.
Um, all right. This final episode is called One Good Deed.
Years after Cad Bane's associate Nero reformed his neighborhood, a Trandoshan criminal,
Vak Lakko, arrives meeting with another of Bane's associates.
Tay Gruddy, Gibbs, a Duros port worker.

(37:45):
Uh, and, uh, Nero believes that Bane is still imprisoned.
Um, however, deputy Vance discovers Bane's early release.
Vance fears Bane seeks revenge for Nero's role in his arrest and the death of Aaron.
Nero dismisses these concerns, but prepares for potential conflict.
Entrusting his adopted son, Isaac, who resembles Bane, to Vance's care.

(38:10):
At a town meeting, rumors of Bane's return spread.
Nero assures the council that he will handle it despite his past friendship with Bane
and warns to, uh, and, and warnings to flee.
Later, Nero confronts Gruddy, who subtly threatens him by mentioning Aaron.
Meanwhile, Bane's shuttle arrives.
He learns that Gruddy and Aaron married, uh,
he learns from Gruddy that Aaron married Nero, causing him to scowl with rage.

(38:35):
Back at the station, Vance quits.
Leaving Isaac with droids, uh, Nero sends Isaac home, promising to return.
At the town hall, the council debates how to handle Bane.
Bane arrives in the neighborhood and Nero confronts him.
Bane is flanked by police droids, but Gruddy and Lacko are positioned as snipers.
Isaac arrives, calling Nero Papa.
Bane learns Isaac is his and Aaron's son.

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Bane signals, and the snipers eliminate the droids.
One droid shoots Gruddy.
Nero and Isaac take cover.
Nero mentions Aaron before Bane fatally shoots him in a duel.
Isaac rushes to Nero as he dies.
Bane realizes that Isaac is his son.
The mayor shields Isaac from Bane, who walks away after his hollow victory.
So this was kind of a expected, but also unexpected ending.

(39:21):
I think we all expected that Bane would definitely walk away alive, but, uh, very unexpected that we discover that he has a son walking around out there.
Yeah, until they revealed that twist, I really expected Cad Bane to be ruthless and kill the child as well for no loose ends.
Cause I would feel like really in life, but also in a lot of stories that kid is now going to want to seek revenge.

(39:47):
Yeah.
So he's definitely leaving like a really big, you know, potential, uh, enemy at some point.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
I took that as well, specifically with the child, I took that as like Bane's last shred of decency is leaving his ex lovers kid alive.
I don't think it really matters to Bane, but it's his kid like for a moment it does.

(40:09):
And then he just kind of goes, yeah, so that was where I kind of went with that.
But I found it was interesting that the uniforms from these guys went from these kind of decadence.
It, it works as both nice clothes and as a police officer to like this very militant sort of SWAT style clothes for the police.

(40:30):
I thought that was really cool.
And all of a sudden the streets are a lot cleaner and more organized.
Yeah.
Cause the first couple episodes there's garbage just everywhere.
Yeah.
That's a good point.
I didn't even realize that transition.
So you kind of see the militarization of the police, but also everything becomes more stable.
Yeah.
Like it's not like a lawless town anymore.
Yeah.

(40:51):
Yeah.
That was cool.
Yeah.
You're not seeing the underbelly of crime all over the place.
It's, it actually seems like this world is kind of corrected itself, but it's maybe gone a little too far in some ways.
Right.
Please state.
Yeah.
There's a, there's way more police droids in this episode.
I felt like, like you'd really see the number.
Definitely.
They got like a mini, mini army going on or something.

(41:15):
Yeah.
And every time you see Bane's men, they're disrupting the way that society works.
Like when they come in on the swoop bike, everyone's trying to get out of the guy's way.
And like, everyone's turning to see, um, uh, I can't think of the species name.
Uh, the, the alligator people, everyone's looking at him.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(41:36):
Yeah.
The Trandoshans.
Yeah.
The bar.
Everyone looks super uneasy at Bane's men.
And you know, like you, we shouldn't be enjoying alcohol like this at this time of day.
Like you guys worry the locals.
Yeah.
All the subtle things.
Very neat.
Yeah.
Very subtle.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(41:57):
So how long do we think Cad Bane was in jail for?
Well, didn't they say it was like, cause he was out early.
Was it 10 years?
He was out five years early, but I'm not sure what his full sentence was.
I think it was 10.
It seems about 10 because in the second episode, they're in these very like early twenties,
late teens body types.
They're like super skinny.
And then when we come back, they look like late thirties sort of idea.

(42:18):
They filled out quite a bit.
They're muscular.
Their, their cheeks are out.
So maybe that's our cue then.
Maybe that's the, what like the 10 year sort of timeframe given in this episode for
context is the same 10 years that we have between episode one and two.
I wonder like Star Wars episode one, two, you know, Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones.

(42:40):
I wonder, I wonder if that 10 years is supposed to be the same.
Like it matches.
Yeah.
I wonder if it's supposed to sync up like that.
Cause Cad Bane doesn't seem that different when we see him in Clone Wars.
I wouldn't think he would age significantly.
Like I think a decade would be too much.
So I think you're right.
I think it's gotta be pretty close.
Yeah.
Cause Attack of the Clones happens and then Clone Wars happens.
Yeah.

(43:01):
Like I wonder if that's kind of supposed to be the way things.
Same thing Darian said though.
He's going to have a time to become the number one bounty hunter.
At least.
Yeah.
That's true.
Maybe it's offset ever so slightly then, but like, yeah, I don't know.
That, that is a.
Well, I guess he has that window between one and two, right?
Oh, sorry.
I'm getting mixed up.
Cause you're saying it's this over that same period.

(43:23):
It would have to be somewhere there.
This is probably about this time of Phantom Menace.
I would think.
I don't think it's 10 years until we see him in Clone Wars.
Clone Wars.
That's a long time.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Unless Duro's age slower.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Oh, they must.
They must.
I think they're actually slightly faster than us.
Well, then that makes no sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bane lives way too long throughout.

(43:44):
Like in book of Boba Fett, he'd be like a hundred or something in the original expanded
universe.
That's why I think.
That's the twist.
It was his son.
Humans were like basically one of the shorter life spans.
Normally they are.
Yeah.
At least in, you know, typical fantasy stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, like I feel like almost every alien species in Star Wars lives longer just in general.

(44:06):
So maybe they're trying to do that for the Duros now too, which would kind of make sense.
At least, you know, seeing how this plays out, you know, with his age and everything.
Maybe they're just not paying attention.
I'm sure if Dave wrote this out, he probably had some idea in mind of timing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Interesting.
All right.
Well, uh, but to lead off of that, one thing that I'm not as keen on, it may bug me a bit

(44:33):
is the jump between.
So he goes to prison and then he comes out and suddenly he's like a better gunslinger
and he already wants his dual pistols and he's got like all this gear and everything.
So like, how did that transition happen while he's in prison?
I don't, I see.
Okay.
So, cause he only had one pistol before now he's dual wielding too.
So it's like, there's such a massive change to do while you're in prison.
Cause you're not going to be able to practice blaster firing.

(44:56):
They don't have like a range.
I think something, something kind of, uh, something wiggles at the back of my mind with
that.
And that's just the way that I've seen prison life kind of play out in the movies and everything.
I guess it's very possible that he was, he became notorious in the prison itself.
Mm hmm.
And.
Persona wise.

(45:17):
Yes.
But I'm talking about skill.
Cause like, was he officially, did it say if he was officially released early or was.
It was released on a technicality.
A technicality.
It was so funny.
He was on good behavior.
Right.
So my opinion is that he gained a reputation in the prison itself.
Probably.
And that's where the notoriousness comes from.

(45:39):
And that's where kind of the tales start to spread.
Yeah.
And by the time he takes that job from Palpatine, you know, like when he contacts Cad Bane,
I feel like, cause that's like this, like, I don't know.
It's like the second time that we hear of the character.
I think is that's the second story arc.
Um.
He shows up at a finale, like season two or something, right?

(46:00):
Yeah.
The thing is, is with Clone Wars, and this is where my brain kind of starts to trip a little
bit.
I think it starts with.
The first chronological appearance of him.
Mm hmm.
It might actually be that story arc because I think the Holocron heist, or sorry, the,
the zero, the hut liberation episode, I think takes place later, like much later in the show.
Yeah.

(46:21):
So I feel like when we first chronologically get introduced to Cad Bane, I feel like that
is the episode.
Like that's like Palpatine is reaching out to this kind of scumbag.
Um, really, you know, this, this very twisted, dark bounty hunter that's willing to do anything
for money.
And, but probably reaching out to him because he always gets the job done regardless of
the morality.

(46:42):
Either, either of that, or, I mean, there's definitely gotta be this sense of confidence
in this character for Palpatine to reach out to him.
But it's also just as likely that Palpatine is reaching out to somebody that he knows has
a, uh, underrated, um, sort of status, right?
Like, like, like there's, there's stories about this guy, but he hasn't really had any,

(47:05):
any, any big massive scores.
He's an up and comer.
Yeah.
He's an up and comer.
He, he's like, you know, like maybe I can hire this.
Palpatine's getting in the investment early.
Yeah, exactly.
Kind of like, kind of like how Laszlo hires the kid.
Maybe Palpatine's like reaching out to this guy.
He's like, okay, this is a really capable guy based on what I've heard.

(47:26):
Yeah.
He hasn't like done anything exceptionally notable as of yet.
Right.
So maybe that's the first big, big job.
And then, and then from there after we get his story through Clone Wars, but, um, maybe
that's supposed to be the moment now where he becomes the greatest bounty hunter in the
galaxy is like, Oh dang, this guy just broke into the Jedi temple.
Like he frigging, you know, set off a bomb in there.

(47:48):
That's all post Jango.
I feel like there's supposed to be competition between Kat and Jango when Jango's alive.
Well, it definitely is because like Jango's whole, or, um, Kat Bane's whole motivation
with Boba is raising Boba to be his father.
He even says a few times, that's not what your father would do.
That's not what your father would want.

(48:09):
He's trying to turn Boba into the best version of Jango.
I love Jango.
Yes, he does.
That's, uh, that's Hondo who says that.
That's Hondo who says that.
The Cad Bane never actually, um, never actually says anything like that to Boba.
That, that was the story arc that we never got.
Yeah.
Which I really wish we did.
Yeah.
Cause that really solidifies Boba into this like half cowboy, half Jango character.

(48:31):
Yeah.
You're talking about the episode where Boba tries to assassinate Miss Windu, right?
Like that story arc.
Okay.
Maybe I'm mixing it up.
I need to go back and watch Clone Wars again.
So like, yeah, like that was kind of why I, I don't know.
That was kind of why I, I, I very much miss that unproduced Clone Wars arc because like,
I feel like it would have filled in a lot between their, their two characters, but just
in general, like, I feel like from the Canon that we have, like from the ep, from the story

(48:56):
that exists within confirmed Canon material.
There has never been any point where Jango and Cad Bane are have to, or no, Jango and Cad Bane.
There's never any point where they are confirmed to have met or crossed over or worked with.
They only know each other.
I saw their reference together at some point.
Yes.
Because in book of Boba Cad Bane does reference Jango being Boba's father.

(49:20):
Right.
And, and he knows him by reputation, but for at least at the very least, he knows him by
reputation.
Right.
Um, if he did know him through the professional world and I'm need to go back and rewatch book
of Boba to kind of confirm that, that like the dialogue that he says, cause maybe he does
confirm that he met him or knew him in person.
But, uh, but like just based on kind of how I remember it, I feel like there is, there's

(49:44):
really not any big kind of moments where he was ever directly competing to be the best.
And from what we know from the bounty hunter game, like the, the Jango Fett bounty hunter
game that we played, uh, that.
That's before Cad Bane existed.
Yeah.
That is Jango's big score is that's what makes him so famous, you know?
And, and that's what gives him sort of this underworld reputation is like, man, he just

(50:08):
took down like a, you know, Kamari, Kamari Vosa, who was like a force wielding kind of fighter
and the, you know, the tails spread.
Right.
And then there's a 10 year gap between that and.
Yes.
Start of.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So, and, and at that point, 10 years ago, you know, Cad Bane was just like in the second
episode here, very likely, uh, a kind of a teenager, like late teenager.

(50:31):
So I feel like Jango is older than Cad Bane in.
Oh, yeah.
And yeah, like that's the way it's supposed to kind of play out.
Probably about a decade.
And so like, that's why I don't think that there is ever this direct competition between
between the two, because you know, like eventually that after the 10 years that Cad Bane's in
prison, not too long after Jango bites the dust in the Geonosian arena, the Clone Wars

(50:57):
breakout and begin Cad Bane very shortly after the war begins, gets hired by Palpatine to
steal a hologram.
Right.
There's definitely a couple months in there where he gains some reputation in the underworld,
but I don't think he is at the top when the show begins.
I think that is the story we're watching in Clone Wars is him getting to the top.
Uh, so just throwing it out there.

(51:19):
Cause like, I think like based on what we've seen, like, that's kind of how it plays out
at the moment.
I mean, something could change that, but.
But in, in one of the books, uh, Cad Bane says that, you know, he's the best and that
he, he's bitter about people seeing him as the best only because Jango dies.
It's probably not canon though, right?
Like which book was it?
I don't remember.
I have, unfortunately I read a lot of the books close together, but I know that is a

(51:43):
motivation for him that that was why he helped raise Boba.
Yeah.
I don't think I, cause I haven't read any Clone Wars book that is canon that has Cad
Bane in it.
So like, that's why I'm kind of, I'm coming at this from the, from the new canon perspective
here.
Does he even raise Boba anymore at all?
Well, that's the thing is like, I don't think so.
Which is really annoying.
Now that they've chopped that story.

(52:05):
I like that story.
Yes, I know.
It's, it's kind of, it's kind of annoying that they, yeah, it is annoying that they chopped
that out.
But, but that's what I mean.
Like, I think anything that isn't confirmed canon, especially any book that predates the Disney
era.
Um, because, and let's not forget like Cad Bane first introduced in season one of Clone
Wars.
That was like 2009, right?
Like that was a while ago.
So there, there is a lot of legends material and lore based on this character that has now

(52:31):
been wiped clean, uh, with the ushering of the new Disney canon.
Right.
So, uh, that's what I mean.
Like, you know, there's definitely going to be some discrepancy here with this animated
story and some of the old material that was done outside of the, the Clone Wars TV show.
Um, but I think what we're seeing here is kind of this, this is what actually is happening,

(52:52):
you know, in, at least in the canon world, you know, like this is the actual story with
the events that lead up to his rise.
Um, and I'm just trying to fit the pieces together in my mind going like, okay, I think, I think
this changes things because like, you know, the, the, the, uh, the story material that
Darian references is definitely how people probably might be familiar with his character.
Yeah.
And at least still viewing them through that lens.

(53:13):
And I know that we've had these chats before and we've always also had the impression that
him and Django did have some sort of rivalry and he did kind of eventually get that number
one spot after Django died.
But this, this story arc in this show, this changes things.
And, uh, it's one of those, at least from the old EU, right?
Like it's changes things from above how we know it to be.
Um, but it, it, it brings it back to that discussion again of like, okay, how many things

(53:37):
do they reuse?
How many of the things do they not reuse, you know, from the old EU?
Mm-hmm.
No, good question.
You didn't answer my question of how did he learn to do wheel pistols and be such a
sharpshooter at a quick travel in prison?
Okay.
I do have something to say on that.
Okay.
I don't think he necessarily actually did because when he goes into that gunfight, he's got

(54:01):
two shooters set up from elevated positions.
They're both dead.
45 degrees to him.
Yeah.
But I don't, he didn't go into that situation with confidence.
If he, if that was Cad Bane and clone wars, he would have probably taken on the three
guards and his buddy by himself.
Yeah.
Cause he mostly works alone in clone wars.
Right.
That's true.

(54:22):
Yeah.
I totally, I totally agree with that.
Yeah.
Um, and also I feel like he is a naturally skilled guy, you know, like, like he, like, let's
not forget there was some kind of 10 year window there or, or less that he grew up with
Laszlo being his mentor and his trainer.
And, and, you know, he learned, he learned from Laszlo who may be at that time was maybe

(54:45):
one of the best.
Right.
Or, and if not, maybe he was just.
Yeah.
I consider that, but a 10 year gap in prison with not being able to practice can make it
pretty rusty.
Oh yeah.
I mean, who knows?
Who knows?
Yeah.
And, and this is a little bit different, but I was expecting him to break out of the prison.
Cause I feel like there's a point in clone wars where he like has to break out of a prison

(55:07):
and he's like, I've done it before.
So I was like, yeah, that's the opportunity here.
Yeah.
That's true.
That's the cube episode when they're rescuing zero.
I think.
Yeah.
All right.
Cause he, he has it exactly figured out how to even get down to the incinerators.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I get that it's a different prison, but I just felt like that would be a cool, like
nod.
Yeah.

(55:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it was also that, that little clone wars, but probably a nod of the head to maybe
the few times that Cad Bane was possibly captured and then mysteriously showed up again.
And that's what I mean by like, sometimes the dialogue's not always there to confirm certain
things, but it may have been a little hint that like, oh yeah, any time that we saw
him may have possibly get arrested or captured.
And then he shows up again, doing his job later.

(55:49):
It's like, yeah, he broke out.
Right.
Or Palpatine just got him out on a technicality.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
All right.
So we should probably wrap things up here.
Pablo points and Pudus is our rating system on the podcast.
So let's go and explain that.

(56:15):
Pablo points and Pudus named after Pablo Hidalgo himself.
Hopefully he has a laugh.
If he ever hears us, um, three Pablo Pudus is the worst of the worst.
Two Pablo Pudus is bad.
One Pablo Pudu is not good.
A Bendu is a 50% score.
One Pablo point is good.
Two Pablo points is great.

(56:36):
Three Pablo points is the best of the best of the best.
So, uh, let's start with the first episode here.
Uh, we'll start with you, Darian.
Uh, what did you think of the good life?
I give the good life one Pablo point because it, it showed us a different story than we
were expecting that didn't interfere with his story too much.

(56:59):
One Pablo point.
All right.
All righty.
Uh, Blake, what'd you give the first one?
The first one, I think I'll give it a two.
Cause I thought it was a really good introduction to the background of the character and it's
set up the everything to come and just seeing Cad Bane with a different name, uh, in such

(57:21):
a really kind of wholesome world.
Cause we only ever see him really as this kind of like dark character seeing the innocence.
Um, it was, uh, the kind of refreshing, but also it just, it just adds a lot more perspective
of the character.
Yeah.
Cause it's always, you think about all these, like it seemed like Darth Vader too.

(57:42):
Right.
I think you mentioned this last week, just seeing even Darth Vader came from such an
innocent place in his childhood.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
See, I think Palpatine is the only one that was evil from the beginning.
Well, yeah.
The legends, you know, and then now we don't know.
Right.
Uh, but yeah, hopefully that stays, stays that way.
Um, all right.
Yeah.
I, I, I give this one a 1.5.

(58:03):
Um, yeah, thought it was good.
Thought it was good.
Um, all right, Darren, what'd you give the second one?
A good turn.
I'm going to give this one a two.
It, it really showed the character development and the more raw primal version of Bane where,
you know, he hasn't worked in who, who he has to be.
He's just being who he actually is without the extra armor and whatnot.

(58:25):
Yeah.
Uh, I, I give this one a two.
Uh, what'd you give this one, Blake?
I think I'll give it a two and a half.
Actually.
I really enjoyed this art quite a lot.
All three episodes.
Nice.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Just, yeah.
Just seeing, uh, really that transitionary period from, uh, where he came from in this
one to him really, I guess the two people he really cares about that are close to him
are his girlfriend and his mentor, Laszlo.

(58:48):
And here you just see him kind of take that first big step into what we see him become in
in his darker self in the future.
Yeah.
Kind of vowing revenge.
Yeah, for sure.
And the action was fun.
Uh, so then what, I'm curious, what did you give the third one, one good deed?
Me?
Yeah.
Uh, two and a half as well.
Two and a half as well.
Yeah.

(59:09):
Alrighty.
Um, and yeah, man, I was really surprised by that twist of finding out that that was his
kid.
I'm curious to see where that's going to go.
Yeah.
I'm curious to see if that character will show up again.
But man, just finding out that his childhood best friend who put him in prison, like married
to his girlfriend, like that's such a dark twist.
Oh yeah.
Like, man, what a gut punch.
I was so shocked by that.

(59:30):
Oh, you can, I guess that also is just like one little, one other drop in the bucket for
like why this guy is so bitter all the time.
Yeah.
Seriously.
You know, you can't trust anybody.
Yeah.
The person you've been waiting to see the whole time being in prison, come out, you
find out she married the guy and had raising a kid with the guy who put you there.
Crazy.
Right.
Yeah.

(59:51):
Darian, what'd you think of the third one?
I'd give it a two.
It's kind of where Bane has really figured out the theatrics of the character he's trying
to develop.
He, you know, the double guns, the, the way he's using the hat now is, is more moody.
Um, but yeah, he's, he hasn't really gotten into the role.
That's why he's not cut the confidence, even though he's trying to exude it.

(01:00:13):
Right.
All right.
That's two for you.
Um, I will, uh, I will give this one a 2.5.
I think I, even though I knew he was going to walk away from that duel, I was still like
very much invested in what was going to happen.
And I think, I think it was all thanks to the lead up from the previous two episodes

(01:00:34):
that kind of brought me there.
Because you could really feel the connection between like these three characters.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Um, okay.
So, uh, so yeah, that's, that's, that's our, um, those are our scores.
Uh, now, uh, I'll read off some others that we got from other members of the escape pod
here.
Uh, we got, uh, Nick and Shauna scores in.
Uh, okay.

(01:00:55):
Shauna gave Bendu's across the board for all three of these episodes.
So it's very surprising.
Um, Nick gave a one Pablo point to the first episode, a Bendu to the second, 1.5 Pudu to
the third one.
Oh my goodness.
Oh my goodness.
Man, if they're going to be doing this, we got to get them on the show.
I know.
What were the comments?
Oh, I mean, I wish there was a comment section for why we got 1.5 Pablo Pudu's for the third

(01:01:20):
episode, but.
We should probably start requesting comments for that.
Did you get like a little voicemail?
Mandatory, yeah.
Yeah.
Like Pudu is at a left field here.
If we got a voicemail from Nick about explaining like why we got 1.5, oh guys, it just sucked.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
It would be something like that.
It would be, it would be short.

(01:01:41):
It would be short, sweet and simple and, and, and, and very different from every other
review we have.
Uh, I'm going to ask him about it when we jump on Fortnite.
Sounds good.
All right.
Uh, so, um, okay.
Yeah.
For some reason, our team average on this thing is not working, but, uh, it is a, uh,
it is, it will be fixed.

(01:02:03):
So if anyone does want to see our team average and our scores for, uh, these episodes and
every other episode that comes out on anything since we've been keeping track of all this
stuff, uh, you can hit the links down below.
Um, and, uh, there's something called the podcast archives down there.
Uh, you can, uh, you know, you can check it out there or you can go to starwarspodcast.ca.

(01:02:26):
I'll take a guess.
I'll take a guess.
I think it'll be somewhere around the average between one to 1.5.
Average of, uh, between all the reviews.
Oh yeah.
You think?
That's my guess.
Okay.
All right.
That's, uh, some keen observation there.
It's probably, it's probably something like that.
That, that one, that 1.5 is going to bring that third one down by quite a lot.
I think.
And the band do, I mean like, dang.

(01:02:47):
Yeah.
All right.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Interesting.
All right.
Um, good, good.
I think we're, uh, we're all wrapped up on tales of the underworld now.
So, uh, you know, I'm looking forward to, uh, the next anthology animated show that
they come out with.
Yeah.
I guess we're going into the dark times again, aren't we?
Yeah, we kind of are.
Uh, the only thing to come out for the remainder of the year is star Wars visions volume three

(01:03:12):
that comes out this fall.
And, uh, that is it.
And then we, uh, I think, I think it's a next year thing, but the visions three, uh,
volume three spinoff called the ninth Jedi.
It was like the visions presents project.
I think that's a next year thing.
Um, cause you said volume three is going to have a sequel to that, right?
Uh, yeah.

(01:03:33):
Volume three was, was going to have, so the volume three, one of the episodes or multiple
episodes are sequels to episodes that happened in volume one and two.
Yeah.
Cool episodes.
Uh, but then from that, we'll get a star Wars visions presents continuation of the,
the, the, that one.
Do you think that little will follow up on whatever's in season three?

(01:03:54):
So since these three will set up the series sort of idea.
It is certainly possible.
It is certainly possible.
I think the visions volume three, like watching that episode, which is a sequel to the ninth
Jedi.
I think that'll set up the continuing show.
Okay.
Yeah.
So definitely go and check that out.
I, I don't know if you've seen anything on that.
So they were all just speculating, but.
Uh, yeah, I like, we've only seen a title card.

(01:04:17):
There's a lot to infer, but I guess just like timing wise, that's what I would expect.
Exactly.
Exactly.
But the visions of season three is, is the only thing coming out for the rest of the
year.
Uh, the next big thing of course is the Mandalorian and Grogu hitting theaters next year, May 22nd,
as well as the animated show mall shadow Lord in 2026.
It's literally a year away.

(01:04:39):
It is.
Um, there is like nothing else coming out this year.
Uh, so we have next up on our tumbleweed.
Yeah, I know.
Right.
And yes, empty desert out there.
Crazy.
Um, but yeah, we, we do have a book review coming up.
We're going to probably be doing a little more of those book reviews.
And I think at some point we'll dive back into the star Wars archives and take a look at

(01:05:03):
that interview with George Lucas.
That's written through that book by Paul Duncan.
Uh, we'll go through the, uh, the star Wars timeline.
Uh, what happened with Cad Bane at this point?
Uh, I think we've already done one, but you know, if we remember enough specifics, if
we did do one, if we did do one, yeah, then, uh, I'll, uh, I'll put that as a thumbnail
at the end of the YouTube version of this thing.

(01:05:25):
And, uh, yeah, I'll be sure to tweet that out.
But anyway, thank you guys.
Thank you, Darian.
Thank you, Blake, for coming on.
We'll see you in the next one.
This is the may we'll see you out there.
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