Cantina Banter #1 | A Whole Lot of Random Stuff! Try Our New Subseries! - Star Wars Escape Pod

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I thought that was a pretty good take.

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Pray I don't alter my performance any further.
All right, welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod and the first episode of our new sub-series called Cantina Banter.
And the new intro that goes along with those episodes.

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Welcome back, Blake.
Thank you, good to be here.
Good to have you back.
New intro, what the heck?
It's a new day.
Yeah.
Well, it's not going to be sticking for every episode.
It's only for those Cantina Banters.
Oh, I see.
Which, for those who don't know, Cantina Banter is our new casual episode week.
It's going to be, like, very, I don't know, unplanned.

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Right.
Just hanging out and chatting to Star Wars is like it's back in the day.
Yeah.
Just like all our other episodes.
But, uh...
For those news-oriented headlines or show reviews.
Yeah, these are more just, like, random stuff.
Like, random stuff and also sometimes off-topic stuff.
And sometimes, you know, we have, like, a specific subject that we're talking about.

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And sometimes it's a matter of trying to keep it on the rails a bit more.
And so this is just the kind of episode we can just let loose and see where it goes.
See where it takes it.
What happens happens.
Yeah.
So, you know...
What happens in the escape pod stays in the escape pod.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Well, we're in the Cantina now.
Oh, my bad.
Escape pod can forget it.

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Wonder why there's no droids in here.
Yeah.
But joining us this week also is our other co-host, our good friend Kirk.
Welcome back, Kirk.
Oh, hello there.
I don't know if you can hear me, though.
Hello.
We can.
We're reading you.
Loud and clear.
Loud and clear.
Well, mostly, mostly clear.
A bit choppy.

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Did you catch most of the intro, or is that...
Is that going to play it again, or is it?
I think I heard Vader, like, singing or something.
And I didn't know if I tuned into the right station.
So, I guess this is the right place.
Yeah, I think so.
I think so.
I mean, if you want to hear Vader again...
Empire Today.

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Empire Today.
I thought that was a pretty good take.
Rap prodigy.
Yeah.
So, we're sticking to theme.
I mean, yes, the new intro, but once again, it's from the Star Wars Kinect Xbox game, which...
What a goldmine.

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What a goldmine for good Star Wars content.
Oh, my goodness.
I mean...
Never be as ore out of that thing we can.
Yeah.
You know, it surprises me.
Okay.
You know what?
For our 400th episode, we're going to do, like, a review of the game.
We've played it.
The Kinect game?
Yeah.
You remember the Rancor Rampage?
I was going to say Rancor Rampage is the only good part.

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Yeah.
So good, dude.
All right, Kirk, when you get a chance, just look up Rancor Rampage on YouTube.
And it's funnier when you see somebody actually playing it, doing the game.
Yeah.
But it's like, you're basically...
Sitting in the clip of me doing it.
You basically look like...
What kind of game is it?

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Well, it's a Kinect game for Xbox 360.
Do you remember Kinect?
Like the camera motion control thing?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
So there's a mini game on there, which you can play, and you basically just look like
a giant ape, like, hopping around your living room.
You know, because you're like motion controlling a giant Rancor, and you're ripping apart Tatooine.

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And then, you know, what's crazy is I think...
What's his name from Did the Book of Boba Fett?
I think he played this game.
Because you think that influenced Boba on the Rancor?
He probably played the game.
He's like, I need this to be the finale of a Star Wars TV show.
We have to canonize this.
What?
Robert Rodriguez.
That's it, man.

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Yeah, Robert.
He didn't give the crew any directing notes.
He just said, play the Xbox Kinect game.
Yeah, he just said, play Xbox Kinect.
Play the Rancor Rampage mode.
Then you'll know my thoughts.
This makes sense.
You know, when people complain about any Star Wars property today and say, this is not what
George Lucas intended.
That's what they were referring to.

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The Rancor Kinect game.
And Darth Vader rapping up.
And Han Solo dance.
That's what they refer to.
Those are the glory days of George Lucas, for sure.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what the lore intended.
Actually, I think there's an interview of Rodriguez during Spy Kids 3D.

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And he was talking about Star Wars Kinect as his favorite game.
Everyone's going to check it out.
Spy Kids 3D was like way before Xbox Kinect.
I don't know if it was that far before.
Spy Kids 3D?
Xbox Kinect Star Wars game?
Really?
I don't know.
I bet you it's only a handful of years apart.

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Really?
I think it is.
The timeline doesn't quite line up.
But I think it's less than five years.
Spy Kids 3 was 2003.
The third one?
Yeah.
When was the first one?
The second one was 2002.
The first one was 2001.
He did them back to back for three years.
I didn't realize.
Like when you're that age, when they come out, time feels slower.

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And then I think Star Wars Kinect was 2011, if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah, it doesn't.
I'm not grabbing up a year right away.
I'm standing by my quote.
2003 to 2012.
2012.
It was like right before the Disney buyout.
Hey, it makes a G-Cannon.

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That's why we didn't get DLC.
It all makes sense now.
Man, it was such a good game.
What kind of DLC did you want?
I don't know.
Like, I don't know.
Like, Ewok Rampage?
Leia Rampage?
Leia Rampage.
Oh, gold.
Well, you can play as like, you know, Leia's in the dance-off.

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Okay.
I think it'd be funny if you're in like Hoth base and it's right after she has an argument
with Han and then she's just real angry, like smashing stuff.
Yeah.
Just knocking things over.
Well, we kind of got an Ewok Rampage in Battlefront 2 with that, like Ewok, like that game where
if you play with all the settings turned down to really dark, it turns into like a horror

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game.
That's true.
But like the Ewoks are hunting the Stormtrooper.
Oh, that's good.
Yeah, that one.
Ewok Hunt.
Yeah.
There's a Wampa Rampage in the original Battlefront 2.
I think it's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's true.
It's a part of Hoth base that you never see because you just see, I think, right at
the very end when Luke is leaving on his X-Wing.
It was, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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It was kind of a tip of the hat to a deleted scene, which would have had a Wampa, you know,
the base.
Yeah.
It's like a deleted scene where it's like a big joke that like they cut two or three
sections out of the movie that would have led up to a joke with people like with the
Stormtroopers getting pulled into this doorway by Wampas.

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It was such a good call.
And they had like a, they had a warning sign.
It was like a yellow sticker with like three or four little red dots in the form of like
a triangle on this door.
Is it a caution sign sort of thing?
It was like a caution sign.
And you kind of were given this idea earlier on like, oh, what's this here for?
Right.
And then there's a scene where Threepio in the escape of the base of the, like when everyone's

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running out, you know, they're going to the Falcon.
Yeah.
He like runs past the store and then he goes back to the door and he just like grabs the
stick, you know, and then just rips it off and then he runs away again.
And then the Stormtroopers, when they're walking through the hallway, checking all the doors
to see if anyone's hiding, they open up the Wampador and then these just giant furry arms
like come bursting out and grab these troopers and suck them in.

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And the other guy just like closes the door.
Yeah.
The other guy just closed the door.
And then like Vader walks up and just like, what the heck?
Oh man, it looks like something out of like.
It looks like it's from like 70s television.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like it looks like holiday special, holiday special too, or something.
Yeah.
It's so good.
They should have left it in.
I'm glad they didn't.

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Cause that movie has like really good serious tones and I'm glad they didn't ruin it.
It's like super cheesy.
Oh man.
It's too good.
Uh, but there is a Leia song actually.
There is a little sample here.
I'm a princess in a battle, baby.
Come, come, come on in.
Princess Britney Spears.
Did you make this?
What is this?
This is the, this is, this is the princess in the battle song from the Kinect game.

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Oh my gosh.
It's like when you're, when you're dancing as Leia.
I thought it was like a AI made music.
No, it's a, I think, I think it's like, I think Leia is also in her like bikini outfit
too.
Of course.
I think, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, she is.
I wonder, what's funny is I bet you can tell when Disney took over.

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Cause before the Disney takeover, I'll bet you a lot of merch and advertising, Leia was
in a bikini and afterwards she's not.
Yeah.
Oh, a hundred percent.
It's like a very heavy divide.
Well, they all, um, they were, I think there was only one Lego minifigure that they've done
since the Disney, uh, bio, uh, bio, which, um, which in general, of, of Leia.

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They have specifically bikini Leia.
Okay.
Cause is that what the, the expensive, um, Jabba's, uh, sail barge?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
That makes sense.
I feel like they're obligated to do that.
Yeah.
They also, they, they, they adjusted the printing on like the, the hip structure and everything
else.
But, um, but as, as far as like the, the actual, uh, figure goes, they did make one, but that

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is just one.
Yeah.
Like they haven't recreated.
What's it on Bricklink?
Oh dude.
Like some of the old ones are really valuable.
Yeah.
Like hundreds of dollars.
It was funny.
Cause you could buy one of those really tiny sets.
Look at that.
There it is.
There's some gameplay.
Oh my gosh.
So you have to like dance, uh, you like the game, you follow them, the dancers on the

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screen.
Right.
And you're the lead made out of clay.
Yeah.
They don't look like the original we, but yeah, it's her leading to Twi'leks.
If you look really closely, you have Boba's back there, like peeping around the corner.
It's true, dude.
It's crazy, man.
This game is not on, uh, I'm on audio early at the moment.

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So I'm just like picturing this really strange scene that you're, you, that you're saying
that you're describing at the moment.
Oh man.
Okay.
But I'll send you a video when we end up playing this and, uh, like we'll, we'll replay it or
something and, and, uh, I'll send you a video of us, uh, dancing with, with, uh,
Star Wars connect.
Yep.
Heck yeah.

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Like this is why Disney didn't make any expansions.
Oh yeah.
No, it's, uh, it's yeah, definitely at the bottom of their list right next to detours,
releasing detours.
I mean, if they canceled, uh, what is it?
Uh, the, the Boba Fett game 13, 13, 13.
Yeah.
They canceled that Star Wars connect had no chance.

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Oh yeah, totally.
Totally.
Maybe they'll make a sequel, but all the dance retains it with the dead, uh, Padawans from
the Acolytes.
No, I'm curious if they do like a VR thing like that.
That being said, I don't think Disney is going to do anything cheesy.
Yeah.
Cause I feel like, uh, LucasArts back when they used to be called LucasArts, they used

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to do a lot of just like really niche stuff.
They did.
Yeah.
They just liked experimenting.
I think that's, I think LucasArts has like a new segment that kind of does that.
Like you have some of the VR games, right?
Yeah.
I have, I have all of them and, uh, they have, they have ILMx labs.
Like that's their new VR studio.
Like they've made four games.

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They're making a fifth one, which is like a pod racing game.
That'd be cool.
Yeah.
Is it VR as well?
It's VR as well.
Okay.
That's going to be pretty soon.
It's not like.
It would probably make people super nauseous.
It's, well, that's the thing though.
It's like, they've done it in a really weird way.
So like it's both VR and mixed reality.
So you need one of the newest headsets to play it.
Okay.
And, uh, it's proprietary to the meta quest, uh, three and three S and, uh, basically when

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you're in a story mode where characters are talking, it's full VR, but, uh, there's like
a sections of the game where you're back in your own living room.
And then the pod racing game itself is like a top down race mode where it's like projected
onto your table.
So it's like a, almost like a board game sort of thing.

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It's like, it's like, yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's kind of weird.
It's like playing a video game in VR, but not a VR specific game, but it has VR elements
around you.
So it's like, it's very like, I kind of just want to really immerse a pod racing game.
I just want a first person in the driver's seat pod racing experience.

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That's what I want.
They did that around Phantom Menace, but I think it was like an arcade game.
Someone's got to take the old school, uh, racer, the pod racer racer game and just make
it VR, like give it a, give it a mod.
Cause somebody did it to like shadows of the empire, right?
Like some VR, they made a VR like mod.
Yeah.

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How does that even work?
Imagine if they got like a, like the developers that do like the F1 games and like those,
with those F1 simulator rigs.
And then they made like a whole, you know, pod racing game with that, with the hydraulic
like chair and everything.
That'd be so cool.
Oh man.
Yeah.
That'd be very cool.
So good.
That's, they kind of did that around 99 though.

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It was, it was an arcade game where you had to like sit in the pod and then you just had
the screen in front and it was first person.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
Uh, also, well, I guess I did something similar with squadrons.
Yeah.
Squadrons was first person.
Um, squadrons had a VR mode and so it's, people complain about it.
VR, it like makes you nauseous the moment you do a barrel roll.

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And it's like, I believe it's impossible to play that game without doing any kind of
like dog fighting mode because it's only like, it's like multiplayer that is the VR
mode.
It's like Star Fox VR and everyone just, oh my gosh, dude, it's, uh, well, welcome
back to, uh, Darian.
Welcome back, dude.

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Thank you very much.
Work ran really late today.
So just got on the tour like 20 minutes ago.
Oh, good.
Thanks for making it.
Of course it's like the one day we have an early podcast.
Yeah, I know.
Right.
Uh, but Hey, um, just, uh, while we're, uh, just, just in time for, for bringing you
in, um, you know, I'll transition, uh, topics here because, um, I put a little note down

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to address, uh, something that, that you texted me about Darian, which I was also reading online
is, um, uh, Kenneth, uh, Cawley.
Uh, he, uh, he was the actor who brought Admiral Piat to life aboard Vader's flagship.
The executor has, uh, sadly passed away and, um, he, uh, the, the character served the

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Imperial Navy during the battle of Hoth and the battle of Endor, um, as an Imperial officer.
So you'll recognize him from both those movies.
And, uh, he, uh, Kenneth Cawley, uh, portrayed, uh, Admiral Piat in both Empire and Return of
the Jedi.
Uh, he also reprised the role for Admiral Piat in the 2012 animated movie Lego Star Wars,
The Empire Strikes Out.

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Um, he, uh, is, um, his acting career outside of Star Wars spanned, uh, six decades.
He was an actor for a very long time and, uh, has...
Is it in England mainly?
Yeah.
He's known, known to playing very diverse roles such as a German officer in the award-winning
World War II miniseries War and Remembrance, uh, the Duke of Vienna in a BBC production of

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Shakespeare's Measure of, uh, Measure for Measure and a Soviet officer in Clint Eastwood's Firefox.
So, um, yeah.
It's interesting he's always the bad guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's always German.
He's very good at playing a villain, I guess.
But, um, yeah.
Uh, Cawley's agent, uh, released a statement announcing that the actor passed away peacefully

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surrounded by friends on Monday, June 30th, so...
Man, it's a real shame.
Yeah.
So, uh, but it sounds like he lived a really long life and, uh, you know, he's definitely
going to be remembered forever in, in Star Wars movies and, and, um, you know, I think
that's a pretty, pretty wonderful thing, you know?
Well, 100%, man.
Yeah.
So...

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Given the choice between playing a good guy and a bad guy, I will always choose the bad
guy.
It is so much more fun.
That is true.
Bad guys are more fun to play.
Yeah.
Uh, for this week's Cantina banter, uh, for the first time ever, it feels like, uh, we
actually, uh, we actually have a question from somebody and, uh...

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Oh, really?
Yeah.
I know.
I...
I think it's been years.
You know, everyone's, everyone's shy, you know?
Like, no one...
I just assumed you closed down the lines.
No one wants to, to, to, you know, put their, put their question out there, which is,
which is kind of a shame.
So this is, so this is, thank you very much to, uh, to ShortStack21 on Spotify, uh, for

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leaving a comment, uh, and, uh, and here, here's, uh, here's the question.
Uh, who is your favorite character and what is your favorite movie and show in Star Wars?
Um, and, uh, hope you guys have a great day.
I'm at the Force videos.
That's, that's half the comment there.
But, uh, let's start with you.
Let's start with you, Blake.
Um, you know, what's your, name your favorite character, favorite movie, favorite show?

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Um, well, it's kind of bland, so I feel like I should come up with, uh, from childhood,
it's kind of always been Empire Strikes Back and Vader, and it just feels like so generic
like everyone's going to say that, but it's true.
So, as for show, um, the second half of Clone Wars.

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All right.
Okay.
What about you?
Um, yeah, I mean, for me, it's the same thing.
I just love Anakin a lot, you know.
Well, I feel like you can differentiate Anakin from Vader.
Yeah, he's the same guy.
If you want to, same person, but the character's portrayed differently.
Uh, in my head, he's all just one per, one character.

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Would you prefer him more as Anakin or as Vader?
Basically, prequels are...
I don't, I don't like any particular state of his life any differently.
That's the thing.
You're such a purist.
I'm just like, I just like the character.
It's like, you know, it's like, uh, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe, I don't know.
Anyway, um, I, I, I like him.
Okay, let me, okay, let me change it up.
I'll give you my second favorite because it's super, I think it's not, uh, super common.

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Yeah.
Pong Krell.
He's your second favorite?
It might be pushing him up the list a little bit, but I like him a lot.
Okay, all right.
Um, I don't, you know, I'm getting to think about my second favorite character.
Uh, but, uh, okay, favorite movie.
Not Ahsoka?
Favorite movie is Revenge of the Sith.
Um, no, I don't think my second favorite's Ahsoka, but, uh, yeah, favorite movie is Sith.

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Um, favorite show.
Is, um, without a doubt, Clone Wars.
Just, uh.
Through and through.
Just through and through, yeah.
Like, like, it's the show that I feel like, uh, for me sticks out the most as far as like.
It has the most variety.
It has the most variety.
Yeah.
Uh, and it's, it's not, it's not necessarily the, the best show, you know, like it's, and

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I mean, you know, everyone's going to have their own opinion about that show compared
to the likes of, say, like Andor or, or, uh, you know, Ahsoka or Skeltiker or whatever.
But, um, but I don't know.
It just, it's the last thing that George ever did before he sold the company.
Um, it's the last time that he touched any of his legacy characters, which was Anakin

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and Obi-Wan and, you know, setting up Ahsoka to be such a main player.
And it was the, uh, the big event that he had, uh, hinted about in his movies ever since
1977.
So seeing it unfold was really special for me to, to finally kind of wonder, you know,
like what did that Clone Wars look like?
Cause we only caught the beginning and the end in the movies and then to have it unfold

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in a TV show for years and then have, I think always bothered me.
That was to me, that was just, they skipped over it in the movies.
Like basically the whole thing.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And so, so I've always been fascinated with the era and, and, you know, couldn't be happier
with the show and so much good stuff happened in it.
So I'm a Clone Wars nut.
Uh, Kirk, what about you?
Um, yeah, it's, I mean, it's a tough, tough one, but, uh, at least I think my favorite

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film still is probably Empire, but I always like compare that a lot with like, you know,
A New Hope and Revenge of the Sith and Rogue One.
They're probably my, my top, my top four, but Empire, every time I watch Empire, like there's
a, I guess a reason I put it at the top.
Uh, my favorite show, I was, before season three, I would have said Mandalorian, but now

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I have to consider it as three seasons.
So it's no longer my favorite, but I do like the first two, but my favorite show now definitely
is Andor.
Um, yeah, I love what they did, especially with season two and how it connects with Rogue
One.
I think it quickly became my favorite Star Wars show.
Um, and my favorite character, um, past me and common me would say Obi-Wan, but future

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and current me would be, uh, pod racing legend, Ben Quadranaros.
That is definitely an honorable answer.
I mean, I mean, he's just, he, he, he, he got done, he got done hard in Phantom Menace.
I reckon, I reckon he had potential.
What about Sebulba?

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He's a, almost never given up to be a right joke.
But Sebulba, he always wins.
He doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't compare to Benny Boy.
I like Ben Kenobi.
I like Ben Quadranaros.
That's just, that's just how it is.
Any, any Ben?
Team Ben, huh?
Ben Solo?
Yeah, team, team Ben.

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Uh, yeah, Ben Solo's a solid bird.
Ben Swolo?
Oh, Ben, uh, Ben Swolo.
That's, uh, that's, that's pushing, uh, that's pushing number one, I have to say.
All, all, all of his chest, all of his chest days contributed to that.
Man, I gotta get some pants like that.
Like, I feel like they're the perfect kind of pants to wear on a cold day.

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They cover, like, half your torso.
Yeah, like, basically go up to your ankles.
You just throw a sweater on and you got, like, overlapping layers for, like, half your body.
I feel like it'd be uncomfortable, wouldn't it, like, chafe?
Like, chafe, chafe the under, underside a little bit?
Yeah, maybe.
I don't know, I'm not that swole, so I probably wouldn't, wouldn't chafe.
It's time to get more swole, man.

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You're gonna have to hit the, uh, hit the gym so you can wear the Ben Swolo pants.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good point.
It always, once you guys, you know, once...
Dorian, go ahead.
What did he say?
It always weirds me out when you've got a shirtless person and they have no belly button because their pants are above it.

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It's like, what, were you born from an egg?
It's true.
It does look unnatural.
Yeah, it does, yeah.
All right, Dorian, what's your, what's your favorite?
What's your, what's your picks?
Your three picks.
Okay, well, since everybody's saying, uh, Empire Strikes Back, I'll be the weird one and choose a movie that was probably one of the more flawed ones.

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But the second half of the movie is by far the best thing George ever did.
You walk in Ventures 2, right?
Second half, back disc.
Caravan of Courage?
Caravan of Courage?
No, it's Battle for Endor.
Battle for Endor, yes.
Is that the one?
Caravan of Courage.
Battle for Endor is ways better, yeah.
Yeah, it is.
No, uh, I, I'm actually a huge fan of Attack of the Clones.

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I love the Geonosis arc of that movie, like...
The part is really good.
Especially getting, yeah, they got the best armor in the whole series,
and then you get to see the Latties at their, like, full out, most destructive capability,
and you never get to see that, even in Clone Wars after that moment.

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Like when they do the missiles coming out of the top?
Well, when they enter the arena, they're using, like, all of the laser pods all over the Lattie,
and they just decimate everybody, right?
And that's not even including that, the Lattie has torpedoes they can drop from the wings,
so I just thought that was a really cool moment.

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That's actually my favorite moment in Star Wars, is the clones entering the arena.
Yeah, it's a cool moment.
And visually, it's become a little dated in the last handful of years,
but right after that, when they are fighting across, kind of like, the big open Geonosis landscape,
and they get that giant, like, spherical ship to collapse, and there's a huge dust ball.

(26:22):
Yeah.
That always looks so cool.
Oh, man, I still don't know how.
Oh, I think it looks, do you think it looks dated?
Because I think it looks like it's top-notch.
Not at all.
I mean, yeah.
Well, for how old it is, it's fantastic.
Like, it's still, I was just, I was about to say, like, for how they pulled it off,
to me, with those computers at that time, is still just unreal.

(26:45):
Oh, it's crazy.
Like, man, it's nuts.
Like, it's nuts how they still are.
I can only just imagine how long that took to render.
Oh, my gosh.
Weeks.
Oh, there's still people that believe that there were.
I've talked to people where they still believe that there was dudes in suits running around.
They're like, man, that must have been so uncomfortable with that helmet.

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And it's like, yeah, those people didn't exist.
Yeah, I know, right?
Like, that just goes to show how good it looked and how good it looks still.
Like, it's nuts.
Like, and that's why I have a big beef about CG clones.
I have a big beef.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, that's right.
Like, I'm like, why do they use practical clones in Ahsoka?

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Just, ah, man, it just irks me so much.
You know what?
Speaking of that, I've always found it funny how you just don't like the real Clone Wars
suits.
But one of the later episodes in season two of the Industrial Light and Magic documentary
that just came out, like, a couple months ago, there was this whole segment about how, like,

(27:48):
I can't remember, what was the producer's name of the prequel trilogy?
Rick McCallum.
Yeah, Rick McCallum.
So, like, he was a pretty pushy, he was a pretty pushy guy.
And, like, he was, you know, the enforcer, I guess they call him.
And he was talking to, like, you know, the ILM team or whatever, I guess that's what they

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were called back then.
And they were pushing to do the physical armor back then.
But George was, like, so adamant and then got to a point where he apparently had, he
had, like, one last, like, yelling match with someone.
And that was the end of it, that it was going to be completely CG Clone Wars armor.
So now I understand why you feel so strongly as well.

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Man, I, I, see, I didn't know that.
Like, I, I actually still have to watch season two of that show.
It keeps on slipping my mind.
But, um, season one was great of, like, I need to, thank you for reminding me because
I still need to do that.
But I didn't know that.
That's, that's crazy.
That's a crazy story.
Dude, George, you're insane.
Yeah, apparently.
Yeah, apparently, like, like, Doug Chang, I think that's his name, the main designer behind

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a lot of the stuff.
Like, he would often suggest things against what George was saying.
And, and George would, like, you know, trust him on him and it worked out.
But, like, that was, like, one of the one things where George, like, put his foot down.
He's like, no, we're getting CG Clone Wars armor, Clone armor.
And I'm not, and that's the last I'm hearing of it.
Like, that's the one time he, like, probably put his foot down.
You know what?
I think I know why.

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I bet it's because during filming the original trilogy, trying to deal with a bunch of bumbling
stormtroopers that can't see what they're doing must have been brutal.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
He's like, I'm not doing that ever again.
Yeah.
I mean, directing a giant war scene with that level of, you know, you can't hear anything
in those elements.

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Yeah, you can see even less.
So, like, it, like, artistically, it wouldn't have come off the same way.
But then also, like, this is supposed to be the new benchmark for being able to tell these
stories the way he wants to tell them.
Right.
In the scale that he wants to do it.
And there would be, I mean, maybe it's, maybe it wasn't as easy back then to match the CG

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doubles to a practical suit.
I mean, maybe that's gotten better now.
But, like, back then it was probably, it's like, okay, we either commit to one or the
other so that it looks the same and consistent through the movie.
Right.
Um, and yeah, I, I mean, it just looks so good.
Like, you know, every, every single time.
So.

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It probably also saved them money not having to make that many suits and have that many
extras and run.
Oh, yeah.
In the long run.
Yeah, for sure.
I think, I think it would have saved them a lot of money because that, that's a lot of
suits.
There's a lot of people, you know, if they were to use practical.
There's a half million that were ready.
Yeah.
A million more well on the way.

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And if, and if they were limited by quantity, I mean, those scenes would have looked bleak,
you know, like in comparison.
Well, I guess nowadays they would just do a handful and then do the rest of them CG in
the background.
Right.
But I don't know if they would have done that.
But that's what I mean.
Like the consistency of the way it looks between the CG ones and the practical ones, maybe it

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was not going to look as good.
It's a good question.
So integration might have been a little, a little harder or something.
I don't know.
Who knows?
Um, all right.
So, uh, okay.
Something, something I wanted to bring up, uh, as I, I saw a, um, I saw a post the other
day from Mark Hamill.
Uh, he's announced that he's going to be playing the flying Dutchman in the new SpongeBob movie

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in the, this year in the fall, there's going to be a new SpongeBob movie and playing or doing
the voice, doing the voice.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's not a live action one, but it's, I mean, it's a 3d animated theatrical movie,
but, um, Mark Hamill's never been the voice of the flying Dutchman.
Somebody else has always been it.

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So I wondered if something happened to him.
That's what I was wondering too.
Yeah.
As long as they don't change the accent, man, nothing kills a character for me more than
changing the accent.
I just watched Lilo and Stitch and like Pleakley and Jumba.
I just couldn't do it, man.
Right.
Especially Jumba.
Every time he, his mouth opened, it just felt wrong.

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The, in the live action.
And they changed his, I mean, no spoilers.
Yeah.
I did not, not a fan.
I watched the original straight after I watched the, uh, watched this live action remake and
it was just like, yeah, not, not ideal.
I did everything else, but that one thing was just like super challenging for me.
So did you, did both you guys.

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What about the story changes though?
Like, yeah.
How'd you like the story changes?
I haven't seen it yet.
I'm going to all go all in on Lilo and Stitch.
Oh yeah.
I haven't seen it yet.
So I kind of want to know.
This is the Lilo and Stitch podcast.
The changes weren't ideal.
I get why they made some of them.
Like they removed that one.

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Sorry.
Should we put a spoiler button?
I don't know if we need this or not.
Oh yeah.
Sure.
Sure.
This is like story stuff.
They removed that the, like the big alien who's like two stories tall.
Can't you?
Yeah.
They took him out entirely and just made Jumba the bad guy for the whole movie.

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That's lame.
He doesn't get redeemed.
That's lame.
I'm guessing there was a budget reason, but it's super lame.
Yeah.
So that was annoying.
Yeah.
I feel like I'll say that.
There wasn't a whole lot.
What else was there?
Well, I mean, Ohana doesn't mean family anymore.
Ohana means get rid of the kid once you've had enough of them as well at the end and ship

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them off to another family.
Are you serious?
Ohana means family.
Oh my God.
Wow.
That's so dumb.
Yeah.
I don't know why they changed that.
Ohana means family.
And family means no one gets left behind unless I need to go to college and you need to get

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out of the house.
Got to get some marine biology.
No one gets left behind or forgotten.
Yeah.
Except for this time.
Except for this time.
And also like, yeah, and also that time they left, like they left stitch to almost drown
as well.
And then like, they went back and reconsidered him as an afterthought.
Right.
Like, what?

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Yeah.
I was just like, yeah, like they had to go back.
Stitch was drowning.
He was already passed out underwater.
Yeah.
That was dark.
Yeah.
Cause he was too heavy.
They couldn't swim up.
Cause I guess he gets heavier with water.
I don't know if that was a change, but so what's the sister's name?
No, no, no, no, no, thank you.

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So she like lifted him up and like sprinted underwater all the way to the beach.
Huh?
I don't know how she didn't drown, but.
What?
But like, what did you make?
Stitch was so heavy she couldn't swim.
Yeah.
But like Lilo carried stitch, like for a bit of the way.
And then I guess he got too heavy, but like Nani was like, no, we have to leave him behind.

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And then she's like, Oh wait, shit.
I forgot.
I'm in a Lilo and stitch movie.
I have to go back and grab him.
And then they did all of this.
Swim all the way back out and get him.
They did all of this underwater.
Yeah.
Um, well, yeah, part of it's on a beach and then they have to go back and get him.
That sounds awkward and strange.
Yeah.
But honestly, the, the voice thing to me was just like so distracting that I kind of missed.

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You know what I didn't know?
I didn't know this, but, um, the director of that movie, he, um, he did how to train your
dragon, the original DreamWorks one.
Um, and DreamWorks asked for him to come back to do the live action one.
Interesting.
I'm surprised he didn't do that.
I think.
Wait, what?
I thought, I thought the same director, I thought the same director did the, the new how to train

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your dragon live action one.
I thought it was the same guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's the same guy.
That's what, that's what I mean.
Like, like he, he was the guy who did the original animation.
So, so DreamWorks asked for him to come back and do the live action one, but he also did
Lilo and stitch the animation one.
Oh, Oh, the animated.

(36:05):
All right.
Okay.
So this was a one guy did the animated Lilo and stitch and the animated how to train your
dragon.
Okay.
And between the two that got this year in live action, DreamWorks was the one that got him
as a director to do their live action.
Interesting.
And Disney didn't ask for this guy to come back.
I was going to say, did Disney even try?
No, they didn't.
So I think he just out of pure spite, he decided like, yeah, cause he, on an interview, he said

(36:29):
he wasn't going to do it.
And then, and then when he wasn't asked to come back to do Lilo and stitch, he signed
on for how to train your dragon.
So I don't, I don't really know what's up with that, but politics.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's like, man.
All right.
Well, you saw how to train, how to train your dragon.
Was it more consistent to the original?
Oh dude.
Yeah.
It was like watching one for one.

(36:51):
It looked like it was the same.
It was perfect.
Yeah.
It was like, fresh off.
I wish I joined you to watch it then.
Cause I know you asked me.
Whenever they convert from animated to live action, I just want one for one.
Yeah.
That's all it was.
Gerard Butler did like an insane job.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(37:11):
Gerard Butler is so good.
Cause Gerard Butler plays stoic in the original.
Okay.
Like, uh, uh, is that the dad?
Yeah.
The, the Viking dad.
Right.
And the chief.
And he plays him in live action as well.
That see, that's perfect.
I mean, it's just like, um, yeah.
Mr.
Katie.

(37:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Katie Sackhoff.
Thank you.
Or, um, Mr. Krabs, the voice of Mr. Krabs.
You know, what's his name again?
I don't know.
Nobody knows his name.
Um, I feel bad.
Kergan.
Kergan.
Kergan.
This is, this is his name.
Oh my God.

(37:52):
None of you know who Kergan is.
You're so painfully young.
Kergan.
What is this?
This is.
I don't know if this is real or a joke.
Okay.
What, what, what show are you talking about?
I can be only one.
Kergan.
Oh, Highlander.
Oh, my God.

(38:12):
Oh, Highlander.
The Highlander movie?
Yeah.
Oh, man.
That was where he got famous was he, he played the Kergan.
Oh, I, yeah.
Ironically, ironically enough, I literally just borrowed the Blu-ray from my dad.
I'm like, I'm going to watch it this week.
Because I heard they're doing a new one.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
They're doing a new one.

(38:33):
And they're, they're.
I was just thinking about that movie recently.
Yeah.
What's the new one?
Somebody, somebody got cast in the new one.
Maybe not.
Is it not just going to be called like Braveheart 2 or something?
Henry Cavill.
Henry Cavill and Russell Crowe are in the new one.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So, the Witcher is now going to save the Scottish.
Yeah.

(38:55):
Yeah.
Anyway, Mr. Crabb, Clancy Brown, that's his name.
Clancy Brown played, what's his name from Star Wars Rebels?
Uh, the, the, the, this guy.
And then he went to Ahsoka and he played the same character.
Okay.
That's cool.
Yeah.
He also played.
I love that you.
That red Devronian bounty hunter guy in the Mandalorian.

(39:18):
The one who is like fireproof.
On the.
Is that from the, like the one of the first.
Like season one.
Yeah.
Like season one, they do, they break out that crazy Twi'lek.
And there's like a.
The Bill Burr episode.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The Bill Burr episode.
And there's like a big grunt with them.
Like a big, huge.
Tough.
Oh, right.
Okay.
I know we're talking about that.
Like red skip with the horns and everything.
There's the two Twi'leks.

(39:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he, he plays him too.
Yeah.
He gets around.
And he's also Savage Oppressed.
My favorite character in the series.
He is.
Oh, he voices him too.
He is.
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
That's cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Once you get in on the, this Dave Filoni crowd, you get to just keep coming back.
I feel like once you're Clancy Brown, you just keep coming back.

(39:59):
As opposed to.
Oh, I know he's played.
He's got to fight for it every time.
Yeah.
Sorry, Darren.
What's that?
Oh, yeah.
Clancy Brown has played like 12 characters in Star Trek.
Like you think he's in a lot of Star Wars, but holy crap.
I think he's been in every series except for the original for Star Trek.

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That's crazy.
Dang.
That's a lot.
Just bounce back and forth between Star Wars and Star Trek now, I guess.
Speaking of other shows, Suits LA had a name drop.
You know Suits?
I've never watched it, but I know it.
Okay.
You guys watch Suits?

(40:41):
Nobody?
Nope.
Okay.
All right.
So Suits LA is the new spinoff show.
It's kind of a sequel to Suits, but it's also a spinoff in the sense that it brings back
some of the original characters from the first show, but it's about a whole new cast of new
characters.
And there's a name drop of a fictional character from one of the Star Wars animated shows.

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And it's a main character.
And I'll give you all one guess.
And there's no live action appearance?
Actually, yeah, there is a live action appearance.
And his name dropped over eight times throughout the show so far.
Oh, my goodness.

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Any guesses?
Mr. Krabs?
Dude, it's a Star Wars show, dude.
Mr. Krabs isn't in Star Wars.
Nobody has any guesses.

(41:46):
Okay.
It was Ezra Bridger.
Really?
So he's named dropped like eight times.
I was trying to think about background character.
Eight or ten times.
No.
Main character.
Ezra Bridger.
Yeah.
The Ezra Bridger from Star Wars Rebels.
And when they filmed it.
Is the live action Ezra Bridger character in the Suits LA?
No.
So what happens is like one of the characters is like kind of a nerd.

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Like kind of a movie geek in a way.
Like that's her character.
And the show Suits is based around lawyers who also work in the entertainment industry.
Right.
Because they're in LA.
Because they're in LA.
So one of them is like she's kind of like one of those people that helps out.
Kind of like when we first meet What's Her Face's character in the first Suits show.

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She's like one of the people that helps a lawyer like find information and stuff like that.
Jessica Pearson?
No.
Oh like like Megan Markle's character.
Rachel Dawes.
Oh no.
Rachel Dawes.
That's the right.
Yeah.
Like her position.
Like her professional position.
Like so.
Paralegal?
Yes.
Paralegal.
Thank you.

(42:54):
Paralegal.
Yeah.
So there's somebody who plays a paralegal who is like very knowledgeable in a lot of like
fandoms and stuff like that.
So she actually has like a secondary hobby of wanting to write for a living.
Like screen write.
You know.
And so because she doesn't want anyone to know that she's the one who wrote any of this stuff.

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She calls herself Ezra Bridger on the scripts.
And then when she gets she gets to hand this in to a friend of hers to like review it and
like hey let me know like a friend of mine Ezra Bridger wrote this.
Right.
Like are you going to can you can you read it for me?
Right.
Can you just like let me know your thoughts?
And he's like okay yeah sure.

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And then I guess he clues in at some point that it's like okay Ezra Bridger is a fictional
character from a Star Wars animated show.
It's a very specific name.
Yeah.
And it's like and he calls her it actually like like calls her out on that and and he
explains like hey yeah by the way your friend Ezra Bridger he's actually from a Star Wars
animated show.

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So I go back to Lothal.
And they still name drop it because like it's like a joke between the two of them now.
So like the name Ezra Bridger has like come up so many times.
Really?
In Suits LA.
Yeah.
Is Suits done by Disney?
No.
How do they get the rights to that?
I think there's some other kind of like when you reference something.

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They're used or something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When they're used or something like it's like a it's like.
Yeah.
There's this video on YouTube like about what's that movie about the telephone company that
like Blackberry.
And there's a video on YouTube about Blackberry about how like because they use like full
clips from Indiana Jones, Star Wars and all these other things.

(44:41):
And they they they didn't get permission to use any of them.
But like they were explaining how they were able to because of fair use and stuff.
It's really interesting.
Fascinating.
Kirk's road noise.
Oh.
Is that what it is?
Yeah.
I'm three hours into a five hour, eight hour trip.
Dude, that's crazy.
I don't know how you do that.
Like, yeah, I'm impressed that you have joined the podcast while on the road.

(45:04):
No, no flying kangaroos just yet, though, as we discussed the other day.
So is the eight hour trip just like the next city over or.
Yeah, it's like going from state to state.
Um, I'm in Victoria, like Melbourne, and then I just drove to Adelaide, which is like in
the middle of Australia or south, like south middle, I guess you could call it.

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And now I'm driving back to back to the home.
It's about eight hundred and thirty kilometers.
I don't know what that is in miles, but what's the temperature outside?
We don't use miles.
This is winter, I think, right?
What's the temperature?
Yeah, it's like 12 degrees, 13 degrees outside.
OK, probably better to road trip to the interior, I would think, this time of year.

(45:51):
Yeah, definitely.
It's easier on the car when it's not too hot outside.
All right.
How many times are your winter?
Oh, Kurt, can you share that story about kangaroos?
Yes.
So, uh, when you're driving, when you're doing road trips in Australia, um, there's
quite often you, you obviously see a lot of wildlife, but kangaroos are, you know, the

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icon of Australia, but they're also the icon of jumping in front of your car when you're
driving on the highway and you have to be really careful.
And it's kind of sad, especially if you're an animal lover, but like, I think this trip
I've seen like four or five, I think like, you know, just being killed overnight or
something's on the road, but like, what's really strange is that like, they'll see your

(46:37):
car from like ages away and then they then decide to cross the road as you're coming
across.
So they like hide in the bushes until you're like, oh, they just jump in front of the
car.
I swear rabbits do that too.
Yeah.
And these, they're huge, these kangaroos.
And like, it's hard to avoid them because let's say you've got like a single lane highway

(46:59):
and you've got one car, you know, one direction, one in the other direction, like two jumps
and they've jumped across like the whole highway or two or three jumps because they've got like
big springy legs.
So they're like, they're like kamikaze, like into your, uh, into your car and they just
can't avoid it.
If you swerve, like you, you're going to roll your car if you're going like a hundred
kilometers an hour.

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Um, so, uh, it's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
See, so you gotta be, uh, gotta be careful here and, uh, you gotta worry about spiders
and you gotta worry about flying kangaroos and wombat butts.
Uh, and wombat butts.
Yes.
My, a friend of mine, he, uh, uh, uh, do you have wombats in Canada?
Is that a thing or is that an Australian thing?

(47:40):
I think wombats are there.
I don't think we have them.
I believe they're in the States.
Okay.
They're in the States.
Well, they're like, they're like capybaras slash groundhogs slash the, I don't know.
They're kind of, they're kind of like that, like that.
But my friend ran into one at like 80 kilometers an hour.
One day it was like on the middle of the road, but because it's like rear end is like, like

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a skull.
It's like really hard.
It's like a defense mechanism.
They do like, he was driving like a golf polo and he ran into one at like 80 Ks an hour.
Um, it bounced off, like left the car was completely distracted.
It was, it was, it was a write-off.
So you had to get a new car, but the wombat like turned around and looked at the car,
like charged at it, headbutted the car after the crash and then just walked off.

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I can just picture this wombat soaring through the air after like just decimating the front
of a car.
Yeah.
And then being upset.
Comes back to like headbutt the car cause he's angry and then just trots off.
Just completely fine.
Yeah.
He just, he just, he just, he just ran off and like, I've got photos, I've found photos

(48:48):
of the car, but like, it looked like a cannonball went right through it.
Like someone fired like something from like the 1880s.
That's crazy.
And when he claimed, when he claimed it on insurance, like the insurance didn't believe
him.
It was just like, there's no way a cannonball, sorry, a wombat cannonball into your freaking,
into your car.
But yeah, no, it happened.

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He got, he got the replacement thing in the end.
I think that they, I don't know exactly what they did, but there was no other point of impact
on the collision.
Like he was in the middle of the road and there was no trees and surrounding areas that
were damaged or anything like that or any other car.
So it just made, sounds strange, but it made sense that a wombat decided to jump in front

(49:31):
of the car, I guess.
There's no other options.
I guess they couldn't, couldn't say anything, man.
That's crazy.
I had no idea they were like that.
Yeah.
Like, like they go in, they borrow into these holes and then like to protect themselves against
predators and stuff like they face their, their butt out in the air and I think they
can't bite into it because I'm not, I'm not a biologist or a wombat, wombatologist, but

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that's what I've heard at least.
Man, that's bizarre.
Crazy.
I love that we've gone from Lilo and Stitch to, uh, sorry, Star Wars, Lilo and Stitch to
wombat protection, uh, armor discussions.
And half the audience is probably wondering if this is a bit.

(50:17):
Good question.
To be fair, that wombat sounds like it could be in Star Wars.
Well, it is canteen the banter.
Anything can happen.
Uh, but yeah, let's, uh, if you just like rearrange the letters or if you say wombat backwards,
like, I don't know, like tambos, that could be like an, that could be a Star Wars name.
Actually speaking of Star Wars names, I was watching another interview with Tony Gilroy and

(50:40):
he was telling, uh, he was telling people, um, how he'd gotten really, really good at like
naming, uh, coming up with Star Wars names.
And then someone said to him like, oh, what about Tim?
Like, um, uh, what's it called?
Um, uh, I can't remember her, her name off the top of my head, Pix's, Pix's partner in
the first episode.
What about Tim?
That's a pretty like non-Star Wars name.

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He's like, yeah, but I added an extra M on the end.
So it makes it Star Wars.
We alter the spelling at the very least.
Tim.
That's right.
Mr.
Mr.
Tim.
Mr.
Tim.
Uh, here's some, here's some Star Wars, here's some Star Wars stuff for you.
Uh, costume related sort of, sort of what?

(51:27):
Uh, I, I think I brought this up to you the other day, but, uh, most people don't know
that Darth Maul has an ear stud and I didn't know that.
Yeah.
It's like, I guess it's easy to miss, but Ray Park had a stud in his ear.
So they just left it in and it's most noticeable on the rebels depiction of Darth Maul.
So when you're, when you're looking at Darth Maul and rebels, it's like, it's almost like

(51:49):
the size of an earpiece in his ear.
Uh, but he says big ears in general in that show, right?
Yeah.
I mean, just like in general, everything's like the weird parts that shouldn't be bigger
or bigger and the parts that are smaller shouldn't are like, dude.
Yeah.
Like it's the same thing with Duke's face.
It's like, like what the heck happened that, you know, like his nose for like three days,

(52:11):
like stuck his face in like a, like a vacuum or something like that.
Anyway, sandwich press Island.
Yeah.
That's actually pretty accurate.
Yeah.
But, uh, anyway, yeah.
Darth Maul has a stud in his, um, in his left ear.
So it's like, if you're looking at him on screen, it's on the right side.

(52:31):
And, uh, I don't know.
I just thought it was kind of interesting that, you know, it goes unnoticed still after
all these years.
I'm impressed that they put in the effort to add it to the animated show.
Yeah.
Like they included it in the detail.
So, you know, you know, I'll be watching for it, uh, for the, you know, the new shadow
Lord series coming out next year.
I'll be, I'll be looking for that ear stud.
It's got to be complete.

(52:51):
Is it in clone wars as well?
I actually don't know.
I think it is.
I think it is.
But, um, I'll have to look again just to be safe.
Now, here's the question.
So if Darth Maul has that ear piercing, it'd be really hard to do that to yourself.
So did Palpatine help him do it?
Or did he like break cover and go to a, like a Claire's and get the piercing gun?

(53:15):
Oh man, a guy like Darth Maul, he just did himself.
Cause that's why it's not centered.
I mean, it's possible that he had it before he became, uh, Palpatine's assassin.
Right.
Had it from like small being a small child or something.
Maybe he got it.
Yeah.
Maybe it's something to do with death mirror.

(53:36):
I don't know.
Yeah.
Do any other death mirror and people have it?
Is it just him?
Not that I've seen.
I think, I mean, it's just kind of a character thing that he's got this because it's a Ray
Park thing.
Right.
Right.
Like that's, that's kind of the, the reason he's got it.
But, uh, there was another.
Speaking of death mirror, are there any, uh, are there any news on the new Jedi Fallen

(53:57):
Order game?
Oh, nothing.
No, it's been dry news.
Um, yeah, nothing, nothing new come up.
Uh, nothing new has come up from, from, um.
Cause that was quite successful, wasn't it?
Like didn't they sell a whole bunch of.
I think it's been, I think it's because the, like the second one is still kind of new.
Like it still came out like only, what was it?

(54:19):
A year and a half ago or something.
So, oh, that's such a good game.
Two years ago, maybe.
Jedi Survivor.
Was it two years ago?
Um, but, uh.
Yeah.
2023, that sounds right.
You want to read that?
What is Jedi Sacrifice?
I was just trying to show you, Josh, a picture that there is no ear stud.

(54:42):
Oh, there's no version of Maul.
Thank you.
There's none.
Not in any of the photos I saw on Google.
Wait, can I see that again?
Sure.
It could be that the image is flipped.
It was because, so he didn't have the ear stud in for quite a bit of the movie.
But there, because he had it, he forgot to take it out for one of the close-ups.
That's why they added it.
It does appear and reappear in Phantom Menace.

(55:06):
So it was a mistake.
Like it wasn't that they just said, man, don't worry about it.
It was that he just one day forgot to take it out.
Do you think the makeup artist would have noticed after five hours of makeup?
Yeah.
Josh is going all in on this now.

(55:28):
I'm just like looking for like photos going like, no, no, it is there.
It is there.
In Clone Wars?
Yeah, it is there.
This is the Clone Wars version.
It's right there.
It's just really hard to see with some lighting situations.
I didn't notice that in Clone Wars, there's no detail in people's ears.
They're just like flat flaps.
Yeah, yeah.
It's also like it kind of, his side horn, like the horn on the side of his head kind of sometimes

(55:51):
masks it.
Right.
It could be, it could have been that in the last picture.
Yeah.
I was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's in both, but it's in both shows.
Interesting.
Anyway, sorry.
I totally missed the last question because I was busy looking at pictures.
Who asked the last question?
Some sort of game, ask for details.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Sorry.
Yeah, Kirk was asking about it.
Yeah, if there was anything there.

(56:12):
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I guess, you know, it's only a matter of time, I think, before we hear more.
I think we'll probably get more news next year, but they probably don't want to overshadow
the release of Zero Company, which is the next Star Wars game to be released.
Right.
What is that?
Why, what's that?
Next spring.
It's kind of like XCOM.
It's like a real, it's like a turn-based strategy game.

(56:39):
It's like a combat sort of simulator.
Yeah, it should be tactical.
What about that other one, Eclipse?
Is Eclipse still a thing?
Oh, man.
I do not know.
And definitely postponed.
Definitely like shelved, I think.
Yeah.
Well, they just made a cinematic trailer and then had like...

(57:00):
Postponed is like a polite way of putting it because the trailer came out like four and
a half years ago or something like that.
It's been that long?
Yeah, it's been a while.
I remember it being really cool.
It's such a detailed trailer.
It was, man.
Yeah.
Super detailed.
Yeah, I'm kind of...
It was like...
What era was it?
High Republic.

(57:21):
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm kind of bummed that they're not...
I don't know.
I wonder if that has something to do with it because I know we were just talking about
how the interest, or at least in the books for High Republic, seemed to kind of have
waned.
Yeah, I guess we'll see.
I guess we'll see how it goes.
But hey, Battlefront, it's going strong.
I'm still averaging about 16,000 to 18,500 players a day, which is crazy.

(57:49):
They hit an all-time peak at, I think it was between 30,000 and 35,000 at one point
within the last two or three weeks of Saturday games.
And so, yeah, servers are going well.
I think no matter what platform you join on, it's going to be better, even though it's
not a cross-play game.
So, you know, these are specifically, as well, just PC numbers on the Steam copy.

(58:14):
So, like, there's people playing on Epic Games, on just the EA, people who bought it on the
EA store, like myself.
The book console.
Console, there's no reports for how many numbers there are.
This is specifically just how many people on Steam are playing the game.
And so that just goes to show, okay, well, if that many people are playing on Steam, then
like, you know, there's got to be a global increase of players across the board.

(58:39):
Do you think there's a reason to why there's this big, like, pushback to it?
People are just, like, missing a Star Wars shooter?
The media will say, like, the media says, because of the success of Andor, the game has
come back.
I don't think that's fully true.
I think there's, like, a number of contributing factors into why it's come back, like, the

(59:00):
resurgence of this game.
But the short answer in my head is people want a Star Wars shooter again and a good multiplayer
experience like what Battlefront 2 offered, because it's great.
Which is ironic, because when that game came out, everyone was complaining that all we had
was Battlefront games.
Yeah.

(59:20):
And there was nothing else that was coming out.
Yeah.
And then there's the whole loot box debacle.
Yeah.
The launch of the game was awful.
There's so much drama around that launch, man.
They did a full 180 on that game.
I'll give them credit for that.
And it's...
Isn't that the, like, most downvoted Reddit thread comment in history?
Yeah.
It's, like, that reply.
Yeah, that's from Battlefront 2.

(59:41):
This game is so, like...
Dude, the launch was, like, next...
Notorious.
Next level bad.
Like, maybe at some point we'll do an actual, like, escape pod.
Like, you know, like, we'll do a deep dive on the history of this launch.
But it was so bad that the game looked like it was going to be a failure out of the gate.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was expecting.
And I know, like, enough people, actually, that didn't buy it initially because of it.

(01:00:06):
Because of all that.
And then they did a full 180.
And it was, like, now it's known as the best Battlefront game there is.
And, like, you know, those of us who did play the originals, which I spent many, many, many hours in the original Battlefront 2 from Pandemic.
And this new one is still my preferred version.

(01:00:26):
Like, it's, like, I do love the old one a lot.
But the new one plays better.
It just, simply put.
Like, it's got a...
It just...
It's smoother.
The graphics are so much better.
Like, the multiplayer experience is cleaner.
My only complaint is the original games you could just play against bots.
You could play single player.
Yeah, the new one.
The new one has the co-op mode.

(01:00:47):
There's only one mode, though.
Yeah, I wish...
I wish the new game had more modes to offer when it came to single player options.
Like, I feel...
Or, like, kind of co-op versus the computer, you know?
And that's one thing that, like, the original game had, which was the Galactic Conquest mode.
Like, that was a...
Yeah, I used to play that all the time.
Really cool mode, yeah.

(01:01:08):
So, like, I kind of wish that the new game did something similar to that, but...
Did they do...
Because in the original...
About the original second game, they did, like, just a heroes versus villains mode.
They have that, too, in the new one.
Like, full open, like, anybody can play as any character.
Yeah.
Yeah, they have that one.
They've kind of added a little more elements to it, though.

(01:01:30):
They have a 2v2 mode and a 4v4 mode.
Right, but I'm talking, like, in an open map.
Yeah, just...
Oh, just in, like, a big...
So, like, across, like, all of Mos Eisley, it's just all the heroes versus all the villains.
Oh.
That one takes so long.
I don't think they have that.
Okay, because the original had that.
That's crazy.

(01:01:51):
You don't remember that?
I don't know if they have that.
That would be...
I think that's, like...
Because each...
Yeah, because I remember sprinting around with General Grievous and then just doing his, like,
spinning lightsaber thing and just trashing people.
I think it's, like...
It's good guys and bad guys.
I think there's, like, 16...
Or is there 12 options?

(01:02:12):
I forget how many options there are.
There's, like, a decent amount, but...
I don't know.
It'd be, like, chaos if they did a mode like that.
I think you used to play with Bryce, and Bryce would always go as Chewbacca, who had, like,
the...
You could shoot the missile and, like, control it with your camera.
Oh, yeah.
So you just find somewhere to hide and just, like, fly his missiles everywhere so you could
never find him.
See, those are the reasons why the old game is so fun still.

(01:02:37):
Yeah, it's just weird quirks.
Like, those weird quirks.
Like, if that was done in a game today, like, people would consider that awful gameplay.
Like, people would be, like, no, it's terrible.
This is like you're playing with, like, your friends in the same room.
But, yeah, it's, like, the reasons why old games are still, like, fun and good is, like,
because of, like, stupid stuff like that.
But, man, it's...
Good times, man.

(01:02:57):
Yeah.
But, yeah, even review-wise, like, I've been to a few sites, and the new one is...
It's ranked, like, the best of.
And the worst one is the second most new one.
So the new one...
I don't remember much about that one at all.
The EA Battlefront, just Battlefront...
Yeah.
...was so bad, because there was no campaign at all.
So there was no story to play.

(01:03:18):
It was just a multiplayer experience, and it was basically just multiplayer and survival
mode.
There was, like, just two or three modes you could play, and that was it.
And it was just a very, very polished Star Wars multiplayer shooter.
And...
The worst part about that one was that you didn't really have an option on what you were

(01:03:38):
going to be as, like, a fighter.
Right.
You really had, like...
Do you want the jump pack, or do you want the grenade?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was just so basic, and just not very...
I don't remember at all.
Like, repressed this game.
I don't think you played it.
I don't think.
I must have.
Like, when it came out, we were all...
We were so hyped on Star Wars at the time, because it was on the...

(01:03:59):
It was, like, pre-Force Awakens, right?
It was...
Was it pre-Force Awakens?
The first one?
I think it may have been the same year.
2015, yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway.
I remember playing so much of it, the first one.
I think in the early days, I played more of the first one than I did the second.
But then now, recently, like, last year, like, every time I...

(01:04:21):
Not every time, but, like, often when I would come back home from work, I would put on Battlefront 2 for, like, half an hour and play.
But it was always just co-op mode, because I could never find more than, like, two other players, like, playing on the servers.
But now, like, you go on, and then, like, you can play...
You can get stuck into, like, a three-hour supremacy game.
It's so good.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's good stuff.

(01:04:42):
It has some of the best level designs.
Like, especially Mustafar on there.
It's so beautifully done, and you forget that there's an edge to that map.
It's so well done.
But the gameplay was just terrible.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(01:05:03):
Jedi robes are...
Did you know that Jedi robes on Anakin are different from between Episode 2 and 3?
I mean, there's a big time jump.
Yeah.
I knew that.
I think all the robes changed.
Well, the tunic...
The tunic is different, of course.
But, like, did you know specifically, like, the robe is...
Like, the exterior...
Like, the over...
Over robe?

(01:05:23):
Yeah.
Like, the over robe, yeah.
I was looking at it the other day, and I was like, oh.
Like, in the Episode 3, it's an actual robe with sleeves.
Right?
Whereas in the Episode 2...
Is it a poncho?
It's more like a poncho.
It's more like a poncho cape.
So, he's got, like, the cape bit on the back, and then on the front side, he's got these,

(01:05:44):
like, these cutaways for his arms to kind of come out freely.
And then it's just, like, a front side cape with two, like, big long pieces.
And I was like...
I assume the only one you see is Obi-Wan, right?
So, like, yeah, Obi-Wan's got a cloak.
And, like, a lot of the other Jedi have a cloak.
He's the only one that has, like, a different type of, like, a cape cloak.

(01:06:06):
Is it because he's, like, trying to hide?
Be, like, blend in?
Anakin?
No, it's not.
I'm saying Anakin's is different.
No, it's just, like, yeah, Anakin's is different.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, Anakin's is the one that's different.
I also didn't realize how giant Mace Windu's sleeves are on his robe, but I don't know.
It's, like, it was one of those things I just saw, and I was like, what the heck?

(01:06:28):
Like, I never noticed that before.
But there's these, like, cutaways on the front side for his arms to kind of poke through.
So he doesn't have sleeves on his robe.
Oh, you're right.
Yeah, it's like a cape behind him.
Yeah, it's like a cape behind him.
And then the front side has these two, like, kind of senatorial-style ribbons that kind of dangle down.
But it all blends in with his brown tunic, so you don't really notice it as much.

(01:06:50):
But it's, like, but he has no sleeves on his robe.
Isn't that interesting?
I was like, yeah.
How have I never noticed that before?
Yeah, I have never noticed that.
It's just the color palette is so similar.
You can't really tell.
Yeah.
Right?
That's bizarre.

(01:07:11):
When do you see that, then?
When does he wear his robe?
Is it when he's on Naboo?
He's wearing it on...
When they're traveling there?
So he wears it on Geonosis.
He wears it in the beginning of the film when they go to visit Padme.
Okay.
And I think, I don't know.
Darian, you love Attack of the Clones.
Like, where else does he wear his robe?

(01:07:34):
He only remembers the second half of the movie.
I always love the continuity errors with the robes.
They take them off in so many places and run out, run out of the room, and then all of a sudden they've got them back.
It's hard to track in that movie.
I would love to see, like, a robot chicken short where they make a joke about that.

(01:07:58):
You know, like, someone's in the Jedi Temple constantly making new robes for Jedi because they're leaving them around all over the place.
Just leave them.
Yeah.
Or, like, maybe someone goes to, like, a pawn shop.
It's like, I found an authentic Jedi robe.
Like, yeah, just throw it out.
Dime a dozen.
I'll give you five bucks for it.
It's very worth a family.
We got a whole bin full of them over there.
After the Clone Wars, you found about 50,000 on every single planet.

(01:08:23):
Could you also imagine being a Jedi?
Like, you're, like, a youngling.
You're excited to be on adventures, and then the job you get given is, like, the tailor.
So that would suck.
That would suck, man.
Oh, jeez.
So I always feel bad about the, I forget her name, but she had to be the librarian.
Yeah, yeah.
All right.

(01:08:44):
I got to wrap things up for this evening.
Everybody, but just so you know, we had an Orbit Key giveaway recently, and it went fairly well.
We had 10 winners, and we're, you know, very happy that everyone got a chance to respond, you know, to the emails,

(01:09:06):
and the prizes have been shipped, and everything's good and well on its way,
and that's the last of all the Star Wars stuff.
So, you know, it's going away.
It's gone.
Sad day.
But if there is any more Star Wars stuff, then, you know, definitely go to the website before it's gone.
I don't think they can sell it anymore, but, you know, go and check it out.

(01:09:29):
Go and check out Orbit Key.
Orbit Key.com.
Are people reselling on eBay now that it's exclusive limited edition?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a good idea.
It's too late.
It already ran out.
Exactly.
I can't flip it.
All right.
Kirk, Darian, thank you for joining us, to the two of you.

(01:09:50):
Kirk on the road.
Selling his couches.
Thanks for having me this time.
Yeah.
Anytime, guys.
Thanks so much, and thank you, as always, to Blake for co-hosting, as always.
Yeah.
It's good to be here.
It was a lot of fun.
Good episode one.
Good episode one of Canteen to Banter.
We'll get more of them coming down the road whenever they come down the road.

(01:10:11):
Down the pipe.
Down the pipe.
Down the highway across Australia.
Down the hyperspace lane.
Yeah.
After dodging all those kangaroos and the wombats.
The wombats.
I'm looking for them.
Yeah.
And the wampus and everything.
Everything down here.
Oh, man.
Those wampus are going to be sweating pretty hard.
Oh, yeah.
They're in Australia.

(01:10:31):
All right, guys.
We'll catch you in the next one.
We'll see you out there.
Right, Amy.
Keep flying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Thank you to our audience, as always, for listening in and joining us on our first Cantina Banter.

(01:10:53):
So, if you have any questions or topics that you'd like us to talk about in the next Cantina Banter episode,
just leave a comment on this episode or the next, and, you know, we'll probably get to it in the next Cantina Banter.
And, you know, it's just a fun way to have some casual chats unplanned.
And, you know, because, you know, we love talking, and that's kind of why we do this.

(01:11:14):
We love talking to each other.
And we love talking at the entertainment pleasure of yourself.
So, we will catch you in the next episode of Star Wars Escape Pod.
May the force be with you.

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