How Ventress Survived & Her Next Chapter | Tales of the Underworld (Part 1) - Star Wars Escape Pod

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Time to abandon ship!

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Oh no!
Here we go!
Can I persuade you to join us for a drink?
It's a tradition.
Here, here.
Jar Jar, homie, my main man, quickly!
Before the Separatists attack, get into the escape pod!

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Hey! This is escape!
Then where's the pod?
This is escape pod!
Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod
and the first of two parts reviewing Star Wars Tales of the Underworld
which this week we have our co-host Blake with us

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and we have Darien as well
and
this is the Asajj Ventress story arc
which a lot of people have been sort of longing for
for a little while ever since she made her reappearance
in Star Wars The Bad Batch Season 3
so we're going to break down the stories
and spoilers ahead

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for anyone who has not seen the story arc yet
it's on Disney Plus right now
you can catch it in under an hour
it's actually quite short so
we're going to take a look at this
and then next week we'll dive into Cad Bane
so without further ado
let's get into it!

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Another happy landing.
Alright, welcome back Blake.
Hello there.
Yes, good to be back.
Hello.
Something tells me you're going to really enjoy this one.

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Yeah, uh, yeah.
Also welcome back Darien.
Chut, chut, Josh and Blake.
Chut, chut.
Chut, chut.
Alright, so forgive me if I seem a little tired.
I, um, I feel like I've got just less energy today in general but
It's probably because we were playing Star Wars Outer Rim

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until like after 1am last night.
Yeah, that's a good point.
I didn't think of that.
And then I went to work after that by the way.
Yeah, exactly.
Um, alright, so, uh, we've been anticipating talking about this
for a little while because, um,
ever since Ventress made her return in Star Wars The Bad Batch
I feel like this conversation has kind of come up every now and again
Yeah.

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It's like
At least between people who had read the, the novel, right?
Yeah.
What's the Ahsoka novel called now?
Oh, um,
Dark Disciple?
The Ventress and Quinlan Vos Clone Wars novel.
Yeah, Dark Disciple.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Uh, so, just a little bit of backstory for everybody.
Uh, Ventress did die a long time ago, um, in The Clone Wars

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when, uh, The Clone Wars was originally cancelled.
Uh, back when Disney bought Luke's film they cancelled everything.
Everything on the slate and, uh, wiped it clean and, uh, kept nothing canon
except Clone Wars and the six George Lucas movies.
Um, that, that's pretty much how things started off.
And a lot of people were pretty upset about that.

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Uh, but, uh, it paved the way for new stories and, uh, you know,
the following show that we got was Star Wars Rebels.
And in the meantime, the remaining two and a half seasons of Star Wars
and The Clone Wars that were not created, uh, and I say two and a half
because there was still a remaining half to season six

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as well as season seven and eight that they had finished scripts for
and a number of them actually had audio already recorded.
Uh, all of these episodes, which account for probably between
40 to 45 or so stories, uh, were kind of mysterious to a lot of people.
Uh, the last story arc that we had was from the half season

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that got dumped on Netflix at one point and then released on Blu-ray.
It was called Star Wars, The Clone Wars, The Lost Missions,
ended off with a Yoda arc, which was very cool.
Uh, but that was the last that we had.
And then, uh, and then it was a mystery as to where some of these characters
ended up and what their fate was.
That was a time jump, wasn't it?
Like from the end of the last season to that one?
Yeah. Yeah.

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So like, well, season six was like still, you know,
there's two and a half seasons of Clone Wars that we didn't have.
So like where, what happens to all these characters that don't show up
in Revenge of the Sith, right?
Yeah. But then for like the bonus season,
the half season they released, it was a time jump to be basically
around the time of Revenge of the Sith.
Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's because the, the now, now what we have, um, so I'll, I'll get to that.

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Um, what happened was when The Clone Wars was canceled,
Lucasfilm said, you know what?
We have a number of these stories very, very close to completion.
Um, so let's do something called The Clone Wars Legacy Project.
So The Clone Wars Legacy Project adapted a number of the stories
and story arcs that they had already kind of next in line to go out the door.

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And those were either released as proxy animation episodes
or adapted story material.
So one of the proxy animation story arcs that they released
and then later finished for the new Clone Wars season seven on Disney Plus
was the Bad Batch story arc from The Clone Wars.
So that was four episodes there.
I believe it was four.
Uh, there was also a proxy animation set of four episodes called

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The Crystal Crisis on Utapau Arc.
Uh, that featured Obi-Wan and Anakin on a kind of a Brotherhood style adventure.
And I think that was not adapted later into a finished episode.
Those were just proxy animation.
Was that one with the giant kyber crystal?
Yes. Yeah, that is. Yeah.
So that was a cool story arc,
but you can only catch that on the bonus features of the season six Blu-ray

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as well as on YouTube.
And they were on StarWars.com until they were removed for some strange, weird reason.
Um, so that was that.
That was the watchable stuff.
Then they released a comic book called Son of Dathomir,
which adapted four episodes of what would have bridged the gap of Darth Maul's story

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between where he was captured in season five by Palpatine
to where he shows up in season seven when he's ruling Mandalore.
There's a bit of a missing link there.
So that's the Dark Horse comic book.
That was the last thing that Dark Horse did before it went to Marvel.
Then they released a novel called Dark Disciple,
which was an adaption of eight Clone Wars episodes
about Ventress and Quinlan Vos and Obi-Wan Kenobi and Count Dooku.

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And it was this whole storyline of the Jedi trying to assassinate Dooku.
So they send Quinlan Vos to do it.
They also pair him up with Ventress,
who kind of aids him in the strategies
and also gripping the dark side of the nature of the dark side,
which would aid him in battle as well.
Which would aid him in battle against Dooku and aid him on the mission.
They end up falling in love.

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And the story ends with Ventress's redemption.
Her throwing herself in front of Quinlan Vos
while this fight is going on between him and Dooku and everybody.
And she gets a full face full of force lightning and dies, effectively, from that.
Dooku gets away, as we all know.
And Obi-Wan and Quinlan take Ventress's body to Dathom.

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To lay her to rest with her sisters.
Because her, you know, connection to the witches of Dathomir
is very strong at this point in the story.
So a lot of the stuff that happens in these Clone Wars Legacy stories,
they're all still canon.
There's still a number of things that they did not adapt

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or did not translate later.
And there's, you know...
Like the Cad Bane Boba Fett story.
Exactly, yeah. Like the Cad Bane Boba story.
There's a number of others.
And every Star Wars Celebration,
I feel like they squeeze more out of Dave Filoni
as to like what there would have been, right?
But yeah, some of those stories that were in Season 8
did get adapted, of course.

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Season 7 eventually came out on Disney+.
They sort of, quote-unquote, finished the show
with the Siege of Mandalore.
That was always intended to be the end.
And there was another story arc kind of like before that.
And so we did sort of get a finale.
And that tied things up, but it wasn't everything.
And the Ventra storyline was one of the ones
that still kind of ended up on an unfortunate chopping block.

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But the Dark Disciple novel is one of my favorite books I've ever read.
Recommend anybody to go and get it and read it
because it's insanely amazing.
I feel like that's probably the best way I can put this in context
for kind of why this redemption is a thing.
And in my opinion, I would say,

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not front, I'm not fond of it.
I'm very not fond of bringing characters back from the dead.
I don't care who it is.
I don't care what they are.
I've just never liked it.
So I just wanted to go around before we start here
and just see how you guys feel about bringing characters back.
You want to go first, Darien?

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Well, I mean, it certainly helps that Ventress never actually died.
So it works for me.
If you didn't read the book.
Well, it's part of the lore, right?
So, like, I mean, if you're ignoring the lore, then, you know, it's...
But they actually show it at the beginning of this arc.
Yeah, it's in the episode because it's canon, right?
It's a canon event.
So, like, they're acknowledging that this happened.

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I know, but as I argued before,
putting her in the waters means that she was going to be revived anyways.
We've seen the waters have crazy powers before.
So she was only mostly dead before.
All right.
What about you, Blake?
I'm going to say the concept as a whole of bringing back characters

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I'm generally not on board with
is something that I find just really takes away from the stakes.
Makes it cheesy.
Yeah.
It's one of the things that made me get really bored of Marvel.
It just feels like everyone just comes back a few issues later.
Yeah.
The weight of characters dying, it loses the value.
Yeah.

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We need some Game of Thrones-level fatality.
It's something I've always appreciated in the world of Harry Potter
is it's a very hard line, you know?
It's a very strict rule that J.K. Rowling follows,
is once you're gone, you are gone.
You know, there is no coming back.
And I think that was the emotional weight that Voldemort has over Harry

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with the temptation that he could bring his parents back.
And Harry really struggles with that, but he knows the truth.
You know, he knows that, like, and Dumbledore says it later,
he's like, you realize, like, there's no coming back from that.
No magic on this planet can bring your parents back.
That's just the sad truth, right?
And there's something very emotionally, you know,

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just everyone can relate to that.
And I feel like Star Wars, in a way, you know,
when Obi-Wan dies in A New Hope and he turns into a Force ghost,
you know, for the next film, it was like, it's like, okay,
this is a special something, you know?
And it's very rare when someone dies and comes back in a different form.

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And I think as Star Wars fans, we've all kind of accepted that,
at least for some, there is a life after death.
That was a weird change, though.
I feel like when you went from the original trilogy to the prequels,
when suddenly Force ghosts weren't a thing yet.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.
And I don't know, I think this all started, I think,

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when they started doing things like a number of characters have come back.
So Cad Bane is one of those characters, of course, Book of Boba Fett.
They brought him back after a story arc in Clone Wars,
which would have seen his demise and left Boba as the greatest,
you know, bounty hunter in the galaxy, right?
So that storyline has now changed because they decided to kind of retroactively

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change it since no one knew about it.
Yeah, it wasn't released as Kamen.
Yeah, it wasn't really released either, that story arc.
So that's something that they could kind of overwrite.
Palpatine coming back, nobody likes it.
I guess Darth Maul's return, it's like a...
You could argue that one.
It's a split thing, you know?
I feel like that one had so much buildup

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and so much effort put into the return of that character
through the many seasons of the Clone Wars
that I feel like it kind of worked in a way.
And one farther than that is because the Dark Horse comics,
it kind of already set it up.
Yeah, and the X-Men universe, yeah.
Yeah, because that was made as non-canon,
but it got the idea kind of into the psyche of Star Wars.

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Exactly.
Who else?
Who else came back other than Ventress?
Sokka, technically, right?
Well, she never died, so...
Yeah, but we were left to believe she did.
But I guess that doesn't count.
No, I wouldn't count that one.
I'm sure there's others that I can't think about, but...
Oh.

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Which one? One of them dies.
Kylo or Rey.
Oh, yeah.
I think it's Rey that Kylo brings back and then kills himself.
Yeah, yeah.
They, like, trade lives, like, three times over.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, my gosh, dude.
All right.
So, yeah.
Anyway, bringing back characters, I'm not a fan.
You know, some people like it, some people hate it.
I'm one of those people that hates it.
So, what I love...

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Some roommates wouldn't do.
That'll be fine.
Yeah.
So, this episode, I feel like, started off really well, you know?
And you might be like, what the heck?
If he hates resurrections, like, why, you know, why say that, right?
And then I feel like I just kind of slowly lost interest as it went on.
But what we're going to do is we're going to read...
We're going to go through episode by episode, and I'm going to read the story, recap.

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We're just going to kind of, you know...
Point out things, say what we like, and then, you know, give it a pile of points of poodles.
So...
Nice and simple.
Yeah.
Nice and simple.
Okay.
So, this episode is called A Way Forward.
All of these episodes released on May 4th, 2025, all on the same day.

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Resurrection and new life.
On Dathomir, Jedi Masters Obi-Wan Kenobi and Quinlan Vos lay Asajj Ventress's body to rest
in a pool.
After they depart, Mother Talzin's spirit offers the deceased Ventress a choice.
Remain dead or return to life at the cost of her heart's desire.
Ventress chooses life and emerges from the temple.

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Later, she is seen working as a security guard in a desert town spaceport.
When a Rodian threatens the ticket agent, Court Ventress efficiently disarms him, prompting
Court to note her skills and suggest a different career.
Though Ventress prefers her current unassuming role.
Ventress encounters a young Jedi fugitive, Lyco Strata, attempting to buy passage.

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When he tries a mind trick on Court, Ventress intervenes.
Stormtroopers arrive, searching for Lyco.
Ventress uses a mind trick to misdirect them, but Court reveals Lyco's hiding spot.
Ventress and Lyco are forced to fight the stormtroopers, revealing their Force abilities.
While fleeing, Lyco mentions the Hidden Path.
An organization that helps Force sensitives escape.

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He reveals that it was established by Quinlan Vos.
This news significantly interests Ventress.
As they attempt to board a departing starship, they are confronted by a menacing Inquisitor.
Ventress duels the Inquisitor to allow Lyco to escape.
The Inquisitor, aware of her past, gains the upper hand.
However, Lyco intervenes, stabbing the Inquisitor from behind and helps Ventress onto the departing ship.

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Once safe, Lyco asks who she is.
She reveals her past as a Separatist commander of Count Dooku's assassin, leaving Lyco with a worried expression.
So that's the first episode.
Maybe let's start with you, Darien.
What did you think in a nutshell of this episode?
I thought it was a good way to draw Ventress into the story.

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I don't want to see her running around with even more Jedi escaping Order 66.
It's just so overdone at this point.
But yeah, it was definitely a good point and showed that she's still using her powers actively.
Nice, alright.
And Blake?

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I will say, hmm, I'm just going to lead too much into the next episode.
But I really like that we're finally seeing the use of the fact that Quinlan Vos is a Jedi.
A use of the fact that Quinlan Vos was involved in creating the Path.
Yeah.

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Because I know that was something we were very excited about when we first discovered that.
That he was alive?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or...
That Kenobi one?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
And it just makes so much sense that if they're going to, since they brought back Ventress,
that they would do something with that to connect to, considering that their love story in the Dark Disciple novel.

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Yeah.
So I'm very happy to see that that is the case.
I'm not so sure about...
I think you and I talked about this after we had watched the first episode.
The whole deal around her, if she comes back to life, she has to give up her ambition.
Yeah.
We kind of tied that...
Because we're trying to...
Make sense of that?

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Because they don't make it too obvious.
Because that could refer to her drive to be kind of like a...
Someone of importance in the galaxy, such as she was under Dooku.
She already kind of lost some of that through the later seasons of Clone Wars.

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So then is that more referring to her relationship with Quinlan?
Because he would have still been alive?
Because she spent all that time not looking for him.
So I feel like that's the most likely thing.
Yeah.
I kind of felt it was...
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, just to wrap things up before you finish there, I guess what...

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I'm just curious.
Did you find that this episode was the standout for you out of the three?
Hmm.
I don't know.
No.
Too busy just trying to pay attention to really compare them all, to be honest.
Yeah.
Darien says no.

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I felt it was entirely just trying to get us into the story episode.
And then the second episode is where the real meat of the whole arc is.
Right.
I mean, I can't disagree with that.
But the one thing that they tied it so nicely to the book I do find very good, which I like.

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Yeah.
See, that's where I enjoyed, I guess, the...
That's where I thought it kind of...
It was good.
And then it kind of just went downhill from there because...
It was like three minutes in.
Yeah.
Because I feel like the nod of the head to the lore, to the story that we're all familiar
with, is just like, okay, that's nice.

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Right?
It's not like they just ignored it because it didn't happen on a screen.
Right?
And I think that's always, always been important to Star Wars fans, the reality that the lore
exists outside of the screen.
Right?
And that's always been important because so many people had such a big problem when Disney

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came in with the axe and separated the expanded universe off from the movies.
Like, why would people be upset if it wasn't important?
Right?
So it's nice to see them taking this seriously, that they can look at the literature and what
they're referring...
They made such a big deal about doing a canon unified story.
So it's like, you know what?
It's nice to see them actually, you know...

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Acknowledging.
Acknowledging that.
Doing that.
Yeah.
Because I feel like more often than not, we're actually pointing out all the times that they
have to break that continuity for whatever reason.
Right?
And here they are literally adapting a scene out of the novel and as to the best of their
ability.
And it was, I think, played off incredibly well for, you know, the perspective of the

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audience is seeing what's happening through Ventress' story.
So we might not get the exact same, you know, word for word, scene for scene, or shot for
shot, you know, story that we had in the novel, but it was incredibly close.
Like, very, very incredibly close in a way that was like way more close than the Mon
Mothma speech stuff that we talked about in the Andorre Rebels or whatever have you, you

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know?
But, you know, I thought, okay, cool.
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I think the characters being lost, I thought was really weird.
I just could not get on board with that.
I, I, the novel really put emphasis on her redemption being tied to the love that she

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has for this character.
Mm-hmm .
So for me, I just, I was kind of gobsmacked that they decided to chop that out of all
the things and not revisit it at all in this story arc.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like that, it's like, that's the part that they had to change the canon
of.
That's, that's the thing, right?

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Because when we see her later in Bad Batch.
Yeah.
There's just no sign of Quinlan at all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you're left wondering why there's not even a mention of him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally right.
So like, I, I'm just a little miffed at that part.
Me too.
Like, and this goes through all, all three of them.
I wish Quinlan was involved.
I do too.
And then they could have set it up for, they have to part ways.

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Whatever.
it's just i i don't really appreciate the way they went about it no me neither i would have
appreciated seeing them together on screen yeah me too um i um i enjoyed the character of court
um i like i didn't think he was that annoying but i think what really bothered me was that he's the

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one that killed the inquisitor i was like dude are we being annoyed this is this is okay so i
don't know if i don't know how many people know about inquisitors out there but they are uh they're
all ex-jedi you know every single one of them they're they're they're corrupted jedi this is
something we learned from the uh rise of the red blade novel uh the vader comic book series uh the

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inquisitors are all jedi who were once either temple guards or or uh knights or something that
they
there's a handful of padawans i think yeah yeah that too fell to the dark side and and this and
that uh that is why that this inquisitor knows who ventress is he recognizes her because she was the
you know commander in the droid army sith assassin and a sith assassin yeah so you know everyone

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knows who ventress is really and the only person that wouldn't know is a kid that was way too young
to be on the the war front right which is right trying to survive anakin yeah so i think what i
hated about this was that
uh like a a nobody you know like a youngling like or padawan barely like court managed to take out
the inquisitor in such a weird way when ventress should have like she was once upon a time betrayed

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by dooku because palpatine said to him she's getting way too powerful to continue being allies
with her so like how is it that some nobody inquisitor can like best her in the duel when
she's like she's like she's like she's like she's like she's like she's like she's like she's like she's
like she's like she's like she's like she's like she's like she's like she's really skilled like she
has gone to to to with anakin and obi-wan multiple times she is versed off against dooku

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dooku uh ahsoka i mean like she's gone against so many people trying to think what did she
luminar unduly and berazofi i'm pretty sure was there a duo between her dooku asaj and
yes and savajo press i'm all no all the ones oh yes actually sorry yeah there was a duel between

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and and uh savage oppress yeah there was also a duel between her and uh savage oppress and dooku
yeah um because there's a whole thing where um mall tricked her into thinking that savage was
her apprentice right uh yeah yeah exactly right so anyway so many things right so many times

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that she has she is like we're talking a tier level stuff she's been trained by dooku who is a
master swordsman okay how is it that some inquisitor bests her in a duel i just could
not wrap my head around it the only thing i could think of was if you if it is tied to that
lose her heart's desire and part of that is to be someone who's like useful because you kind of see

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at the beginning after like after that intro that she is content to just kind of
take the easiest job and just not really
do anything yeah so if then maybe try to show then she's just really out of practice
but if that is the case i don't know if the time jump is insanely lame way to do it like that's

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just my opinion but like i thought that was like crazy weird so why does the heart desires thing
just they left it so like vague yeah yeah yeah all right darian what do you think about all this
well i took the heart's desire as ventress has always been a very passionate
more passionate than pretty much any other sith we've ever seen so more or less she had to give up

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her nature and stop being a major player in the galaxy that's kind of what i took out of that scene
what did you think about the inquisitor stuff
it was kind of lame okay yeah i'm okay so i'm not alone in that then
um you know how i think it should have gone is uh she should have just like whooped his ass

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that's what i think i think like ventress should have just totally like shown off to this kid
who she is and maybe he would have recognized her or something based on
her uh her viciousness in the battle or something like that right and then maybe it jogs a memory
or something um i don't know just it like something like that it would have been really

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cool to see ventress just like be good well i feel like they were trying to force the fact
that they were trying to force the fact that they were trying to force the fact that they were
trying to force the fact that because he saved her she now has an obligation to help him
yeah yeah yeah that see that like that's that's kind of what i was like hoping to avoid because
she at this point is a changed person right like we know this from from the stories that have come

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before she's even helped obi-wan escape maul and and savaja press when she was hunting down
savaja press as a bounty you know she didn't need to do that she just kind of did it because
she respects obi-wan and stuff like that but like i feel like from that point onwards she has
redeemed she has been a redeemed person like she's not a villain anymore and uh she uh sympathizes

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for this for this kid right like she kind of feels almost guilty out of all of the jedi that
she may have killed and then falls in love with one um i feel like it is just naturally kind of
there the motivation to help this kid anyways you know um and she was helping him already she was
already even before he stabbed that inquisitor in the back true but it seemed like she was gonna

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just like point him in the direction basically and just go back and kind of disappear yeah well
she was and then the ship takes off right so like i feel like that could have all still played out
the same way yeah but then she like gets up and then finishes the battle properly you know and
it's like okay yeah yeah yeah right and then we could have just kept going and it's like okay

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you know it's like the kid going through the back like that first of all that's like a super anti
like super not jedi way to kill somebody that's something ventures would do that's true like not
a jedi kid like who's super nice yeah i don't know like it's like it's i feel like it's a jedi
thing right like they even brought this up in the acolyte uh like you can't kill an unarmed

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um well i mean anakin says it about you know i shouldn't have done that it's not the reason why i'm
jedi way like right you can't kill an unarmed person no matter how dangerous they are the
inquisitor was armed though and well he wasn't even aware of of him behind him right like it was just
like out of the blue kind of like just through the back you know he was surprised super super

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weird should we call it like soloed yeah like not han soloed like a non-jedi way to do it right is
what i mean and it's just like man like i don't i don't know how i feel about it
it's like i feel like they just wanted to make the kid look cool so they gave him the kill
but it made ventures look really terrible yeah it did anyways um i love that quinlan stuff the

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hidden path connection to obi-wan kenobi show you know really good nod of the head um i feel like we
i i feel like the other two episodes should have should have had more to do with that and yet we
kind of stray away a little bit um but we got it
there in the end and and then it just didn't go the way i expected uh i think that's everything

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for this episode if we want to give some top pablo points i've wondered maybe we should save the
points for all three till the end oh yeah okay sure sure let's do that um but like darian said
a lot of the meat is kind of in the episode two here so um okay the next one is called friends
uh asajj ventress and the jedi fugitive laiko arrive in a bustling city laiko is aware wary

(31:02):
of ventress uh given her past
side and the war but she insists that she's the best option for his escape ventress reveals she's
seeking quinlan voss and plans to get information from a bounty hunter acquaintance of hers their
arrival is marked by a street fight involving bounty hunters lots razi and the droid c21 high

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singer ventress intervenes impressing razi ventress agrees to help razi with a job in
exchange for information on the hidden path and laiko joins
their reluctant crew razi enlists ventress and laiko to steal an imperial shield relay unit
laiko's technical knowledge exposes him as a jedi to razi who privately offers him

(31:46):
help uh to reach the path warning him against ventress meanwhile ventress advises laiko to
be ruthless during the heist at an imperial shipyard high singer sabotages equipment while
ventress and laiko infiltrate a generator dome they are soon discovered by stormtroopers and
during a chaotic scape laiko and ventress are able to reach the path and ventress is able to
retrieve the shield relay unit as they board razi's ship razi betrays ventress ordering high

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singer to shoot her and planning to sell laiko ventress however manages to cling to the ship
reboard and overpower high singer and razi in the cockpit she forces razi to jump to hyperspace and
provide the coordinates to the hidden path which razi gives to laiko on a data card dropped at a
spaceport laiko agrees to share the information with ventress now trusting her

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um so uh blake what did you think of this one oh this one was definitely the flashiest most fun
episode like unquestionably and i really liked the uh seeing all the the starter stores being
constructed the move in the like the the shield generators to put yeah i thought that was super
cool and then you get the they're trying to escape inside of the the generator gets loose

(33:02):
just like inside a giant golf ball yeah yeah
there's a lot of cool stuff in here
i think if you're watched clone wars it's not really any new morals
don't trust anyone in the underworld can't trust anyone yeah
but it did as far as like progressing the story it was they needed the thing

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and then they got it right right but it was definitely a lot of fun
all right darian how what'd you think about this one
it reminded me very much of udipa the way they have
star destroyers lit up and everything so i liked the callbacks to the clone wars
it was interesting that the whole time the bounty hunters are trying to convince the baby jedi to

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not trust ventress but you know she is the one that ends up being the most
trustworthy at the end because they're just like well we failed this mission let's
betray her and steal the jedi kid
very true but i think that also speaks to kind of her redemption that we start to see

(34:05):
take place towards the end of clone wars because a lot of people
by people i mean characters in universe who would have worked with ventress before
they would have seen the can't trust version i feel like she absolutely she's definitely
become a lot more honorable since leaving the separatists yeah that's what there's also a

(34:27):
kind of anti-villain herself right like she's like kind of become a redeemed person yeah
i wouldn't say entirely redeemed she's kind of rides the in between and i like that i don't
want to see ventress become a true jedi but uh no i don't think she'll ever be a jedi no
she's like a wolverine character yeah yeah i i you know the way i look at her is like she has

(34:52):
kind of become a bit like um just a skull no not even like because balan skull aligns with him
with villains right like like like ventress would
never at this point in her life align herself with a villain like i kind of see her as like
the slightly better version of what he's trying to do he's trying to be like the bendu but he's

(35:16):
gone slightly dark side it's interesting contrast to compare them that way yeah like i i've always
perceived balan as a villain um not uh a jedi who is committed to the sith religion but as
a jedi who has fallen to the dark side um and uh ventress uh i feel like at this point i i would

(35:42):
nearly consider her a hero i would never consider her a jedi no but i would definitely consider her
a um like a hero-esque character now after all of the events that have transpired uh especially
through her helping obi-wan and quinlan on the mission to kill dooku and then giving her life

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for quinlan
boss you know there was a lot that transpired in that book that really kind of brought her out of
the very gray area that she was in when we last saw her in season five as a bounty hunter yeah
as a bounty hunter yeah which the last time we saw her technically in the show was when
she popped up for a small cameo uh in the ahsoka bombing arc yeah so i remember and

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anakin confronted her on the streets of coruscant to question her about her um intentions right
because uh she was being framed by barris offey and uh barris took ventress out and she said even
ventress says like only a jedi could like sneak up on me and take me out and she has my lightsabers

(36:48):
and and my helmet and stuff like that um so anakin does more investigating and and you know we don't
actually see ventress again after that uh but uh but i i thought that was like since then onwards
through the rest of the appearances that she did have i feel like she's kind of like
brought herself back and with the yellow lightsaber it's very symbolic the the yellow

(37:09):
lightsaber is very symbolic that she is now kind of graduated above this affiliation for the dark
side um well that's part of why i was comparing her to balin is because balin and hati have orange
lightsabers right yeah they're they're almost like i think it's only because they don't want
to confuse people with them not being sith probably but still like bad guys but they're

(37:34):
still definitely like bad guys but they're still definitely like bad guys but they're still
like dark side villains in in every way i mean like they murdered those like rebel
you know troops on that ship yeah they're working with ex-empire people they're working with witches
they're uh yeah be easily confused yeah you could argue also for that is because they
is a sith practice to bleed your crystal to make it red in the first place so they're probably not

(37:59):
doing that because they're not sith also balin seeks power that is his ultimate goal is he is
seeking power uh on on um uh what's that planet called uh boy that's in the other universe yeah
pandora or whatever well he yeah but he's seeking power to stop the cycle of sith versus jedi

(38:21):
taking over the universe uh he is but he is he is going about it like anakin would like he is like
anakin is a sith lord because all he was trying to do is save his wife from certain death right
you could look at it through that lens but it's like okay yeah but you just killed all these
innocent people to do it so you're still i absolutely yeah i absolutely agree that he

(38:43):
is deluded there's no question there but he considers himself neutral that's he does he
does yeah i would definitely consider an anakin though yeah so does anakin anakin's like from my
point of view the jedi are you that's right like i would definitely consider balin more
villain than ventress um that's the problem people don't agree someone should make them

(39:05):
someone should make them
i i also liked it in this episode we got some nods to raiders of the last art right because
the whole running through the shield generator and on top of it and everything that's totally out of
the intro raiders oh man so yeah so good um the action in this episode like you say blake was

(39:31):
spot on you know it felt like i was watching clone wars again yeah i did
and and i really appreciated this episode for that um and i think i remember you saying while
we were watching it uh the first one that is you really miss clone wars because of all the
diverse stories that we had like yeah i loved that about clone wars so much that i that i've
missed ever since clone wars because rebels bad batch resistance all of the shows that we've had

(39:57):
so far it's just a really tight cast you're limited to the type of stories you can tell
yeah it's a tight cast it's 20 episodes the
same
group it's like man like i i loved clone wars because we had an arc about these people and
then an arc about those people and and you know it told the story from multiple perspectives that's
why i loved about it clone wars is really unique in that because it took place over a whole war

(40:20):
yeah and so there's so many different things going on over a war versus it looks like you
could argue they could have tried to do that with rebels but they they never really did right like
i would i'd love to see arcs
or sorry i'm getting a little i would i would love stuff there too but i would love to have seen

(40:41):
uh sort of drink bad batch excuse me of like rex episodes oh totally and when they sent him off on
his own way a hundred percent i thought that's what was gonna that's what i thought too and they
never did it i know i was so annoyed about that like like one of the coolest things about season
one of clone wars is i get one random episode of like kit fisto going into satisfier and i'll
all right with his apprentice he's a padawan dies and it's like man like that what a cool 20 minutes

(41:05):
you know like that was awesome uh we need more of that just like random monster of the week episodes
just yeah i don't know cool stuff right yeah sorry jared you're saying something i feel that rebels
was meant to be all about the family camaraderie of like a chosen family so you don't really have
the opportunity there to expand into a larger story whereas clone wars was so directionless

(41:31):
in so many ways but still worked as a story i'm i'm a huge fan of clone wars it's my favorite
but it's it's not like really full of heart series it it taught us a lot of lessons that i thought
star wars was unique to being able to teach yeah you know you you got a good point um rebels that
was something that i um i really grew to appreciate about rebels was like the family dynamic that they

(41:56):
had i think what i really miss about clone wars
being the way that it was is we've had too many of those family dynamics being that we've had
resistance rebels and bad batch now all doing the same thing um so like my whole hope for star wars
is that i don't believe mandalorian too a hundred percent a hundred percent yeah mandalorian as well

(42:18):
right like tell them tell them this extensively long story about the bonding of this this creature
and and just family yeah yeah it's a family thing right so um you know that's always nice but uh
what made clone wars so special was the fact that it was a family thing right so um you know that's
what made clone wars so special is that it wasn't like that and i think i i just would like a new show
that's kind of like that so what you were saying about when we were watching this episode together

(42:40):
you said man this makes me miss miss clone wars so much because we did get something new and
something with different characters that nobody knew or doesn't really haven't seen really as
much about or and i feel like helps expand the universe more too oh a hundred percent yeah um
get a cool arc about jar jar falling in love with a queen oh yeah i mean like everyone wants to watch

(43:01):
that yeah with mace windu right dude like who would write that it's amazing oh it's so out of
nowhere though hands down my favorite i gotta say it because we're talking about just like random
arcs that if it was say just about anakin obi-wan we would never get and that is the the arc uh with
rex and ponkrell so good such a great arc that's my favorite arc the whole series man what is that

(43:27):
gotta eat it up
yeah the udapar uh arc was so brutal like and i'm glad that they're starting to bring
some of those characters back like that the preview they got for the new

(43:47):
video game they show one of the udapar warriors in it
oh yeah they did yeah yeah yeah that was awesome like um you mean um zero company it's um
barren i'm barren that's it yeah yeah really really cool stuff oh yeah sorry udapar's the
other plan with the corduroy face no i know yeah we know what you're talking about though yeah it's

(44:10):
a cool connection that they're kind of building up there um i would love to see how it kind of
maybe works into the clone wars animated show you know that new game now i'm still mostly curious
about how those people all got together to form a team in the first place i have to i have to i'm
itching to play it to find out um okay so the uh that's this episode it was great to

(44:31):
see one more thing i want to bring up here uh it was great to see a high singer and razzy back
these are bounty hunters that we've seen ventress work with before in one of my favorite clone wars
episodes which was a train heist involving boba assembling a crew and um at the end ventress
doing the right thing you know by returning uh their uh target to uh the uh sort of what were

(44:56):
originally perceived to be villains coming after the the cargo on the train and it turned out to
was actually a person in that box so boba and uh the princess of this uh you know the sister of
this family that was coming after her and it was actually this uh super greedy sicko at the other
end of the train line who was gonna use this uh girl as like a slave wife or something like that

(45:19):
right yeah forced bride yeah crazy crazy story um so uh so yeah that was one of my favorite episodes
and uh you know she instead uh pulls a prank on boba stuffs him in the box
i thought that was really funny um anyway uh but she met you know at the very end there she still
gets boba his cut right she's like that's true oh boba couldn't make it but uh his cuts in there

(45:41):
too and then she walks away like wow you know she's really uh really you know turning into
quite the uh protagonist here um she's slowly gaining uh honor yeah yeah exactly uh so anyways
um great to see those characters back again from that train heist uh we've seen little cameos of
in one of the Darth Maul storylines.

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But I guess, yeah, like you say,
can't trust anyone in the underworld.
I thought there would be acquaintance friends
by now with Ventress,
and it turns out no one can be trusted.
That's it.
Yeah, very good story.
Okay, final episode here is called
One Warrior to Another.
Asajj Ventress and Laiko travel through a desert canyon

(46:28):
low on water.
They reach a homestead guarded by deactivated battle droids.
Their attempt to ask for help
is met with blaster fire from within.
Ventress disarms the attacker, a young girl,
who then allows them to meet her grandfather,
an elderly man on a repulsor lift chair.
The old man recognizes Ventress from the Clone Wars,

(46:48):
addressing her as Lady Ventress
and expressing gratitude for her service to Count Dooku.
He laments the Separatist loss.
They learn the homesteaders struggle with water scarcity
and raids.
The old man asks Ventress to protect his granddaughter
on a water run in exchange for her guiding them
to Cypher Canyon.

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The granddaughter pilots a land speeder
with Ventress and Laiko to a spring.
After collecting water,
they are ambushed by raiders on speeder bikes.
Ventress and Laiko defend themselves
with lightsabers during a chase,
but their speeder eventually crashes.
As the raiders close in,
Laiko uses the force to stop the girl from shooting
and reveals that he can understand the raiders.
He explains that,

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they're stealing the raiders' water.
Laiko negotiates with the raiders' leader.
Back at the homestead,
Ventress and Laiko convince the initially hostile grandfather,
a staunch Separatist,
angered by Laiko being a Jedi,
to speak with the raiders
and seek a peaceful resolution.
He reluctantly agrees.
A raider guides Ventress and Laiko to Cypher Canyon,

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where they find a starship collecting people
for the hidden path.
Ventress decides not to board
or seek Quinlan Vos after all,
telling Laiko,
it's his path.
She bids him farewell with,
may the force be with you.
However, as she rides away,
Laiko reappears,
having decided to stay with her
instead of joining the path.
They ride off together into the desert.

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So, uh,
Darian, what did you think of this one?
I thought it was a pretty decent episode.
It gives you more character developments,
but I particularly enjoyed the fact
that they had Eno Kadova's voice,
for the Separatists.
I thought that was kind of a cool contrast
for that actor.

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People that were a fan of Stargate SG-1
would know him as Master Greytec.
Alright.
No idea.
Nice little point out there, yeah.
Alright, Blake, what did you think about this one?
Sounds way to get called.
I thought you were going to keep going, Darian,
but is that it?
Yeah, it was,

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it wasn't an overly eventful episode.
Like, you kind of knew where it was going,
right from the beginning.
Alrighty.
What about you, Blake?
Yeah, I kind of share that opinion.
Though, I thought the,
it was really cool to see an ex-Separatist
and kind of get a little bit of, like,

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their take to what happened
and also just kind of see what happened
to someone who was probably higher up
in the Separatist army after the war.
Because I feel like that's something
that kind of never gets brought up.
Yeah.
And to be honest,
when we first saw him,
just because of his model,
I thought it was General Yularen.

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Just, like, chilling in a desert.
That's why I'm like,
why is he here?
Yeah.
Because he has the same mustache,
like, from his Clone Wars model,
looks so similar to that.
Oh, man, that's funny.
So, I, I, I,
I was kind of mixed on this episode.
On the one hand,
I really liked the,

(49:56):
the old Separatist,
kind of dynamic there
with him knowing who she is,
you know,
and, and them kind of figuring out
this relationship in a changed galaxy.
Right.
And I really liked that whole aspect of it.
I, I enjoyed the,

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I guess,
Ventress kind of seeing a Jedi at work
with how the Jedi do their,
their, their work,
you know,
and their peaceful resolutions to things.
With, you know,
a capable kid like Lyko,
you know,
I thought that was kind of neat
seeing his abilities in play
with understanding,
being able to feel the emotions

(50:38):
through the,
the Raiders,
so to speak,
and being able to communicate that
to Ventress and the rest of them.
I thought that was really,
a really nice way to kind of,
it reminded me a lot of the Ezra Bridger days,
when, when he was learning from Kanan
and trying to communicate with creatures
and stuff like that.
Do you remember those?
I do, yeah.

(50:59):
Yeah.
So it kind of brought me back to that.
And I was like,
oh, this is kind of neat.
Like, it's neat to see this again.
As far as,
as far as the,
the last little five minutes there,
or maybe less,
I, I wasn't very fond of the response
that Ventress had to boarding the ship
to get to the path.

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I mean, she,
she literally sort of starts off this story
with,
oh, Quinlan Vos,
he's, he's, he's,
he's alive.
He started the path.
Like he survived the purge, right?
It's, it's all these things that
you start to think like,
oh, well, you know,
even though she's lost her heart's desires,
like, of course she still loves this man, right?
Like, you know,

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this is kind of what,
you know, she died for him, right?
She came back for him too.
She came back for him too.
Yeah.
And, and, and she just kind of,
she's like, yeah, I don't know.
She's like kind of giving up.
Yeah.
So she lost interest.
She's like lost interest.
And I was like, what?
Yeah.
Like that's pretty.
And I think like that's,
that's the biggest consequence out of giving this,

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just this vague,
you've lost your heart's desires,
reason for everything.
Like I just don't understand why they did that,
you know, for her.
It makes her character so bland.
Yeah, it does.
It really does.
Because it's like,
if you,
if you think about it like a role playing game,
like when you,
when you make a character for,
if you have any D and D fans out there,

(52:24):
you,
you at least for the Star Wars FFG one,
I mean like your character,
it's,
you always have some sort of objective,
like a personal goal.
It's called ambition, isn't it?
Or some,
anything, right?
Like,
like any role playing game has some sort of,
when you're playing your character,
you have a personal goal that's kind of separate from the main story.

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And this is something that helps drive your character decisions in the game.
Right?
So she just doesn't have that anymore.
And I,
and I think it really,
really makes a difference when it comes down to interesting decisions being made.
And I feel like this was a very non-interesting decision that she just kind of shrugs it off after all this time.

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And she's like,
all right,
see you kid.
May the force be with you.
Say hi to Quinlan for me kind of thing.
I'm out of here.
Right?
And I'm like,
dude,
like that,
that was so dumb.
Like I,
I just,
I just hated that so much.
Cause like for me,
it just kind of went against everything.
Her character is kind of,
uh,
led up to through the dark disciple novel.
And I know that they did say we're going to pay home,

(53:31):
um,
an homage to that story.
When we bring her back,
they said that on star wars.com like last year or,
or something,
one bad batch came out and she,
she popped out of nowhere.
Um,
but,
uh,
and they did at the beginning of the story arc,
but then they,
they let that,
that core reason for her coming back to be the one reason that kind of just killed any,

(53:53):
any creativity,
for,
for this character making decisions in the future.
I just feel like they were trying so hard to make sure that it fits into the bad
batch when we see her.
Yeah.
But now she has this kid tag along with her.
So now it doesn't fit anyway.
See,
like it's different for me.
Like I keep thinking,
okay,
the only thing I can compare it to is Logan.

(54:15):
Like Logan's this guy,
anti-hero kind of character.
He is burned out.
He is fed up with life.
He is done.
Right.
But that's because he's lived too long.
He can't die.
You know,
he's like gone so far and he hasn't found any love in his life.
There's reasons for why he's this way.
Right.
Whereas Ventress,
she has every reason to be,

(54:37):
to come back.
She,
she has every motivation to step out of that water and claim life again because she loves this man who's walking away.
Right.
So she does it.
And the,
the consequence is she's lost her heart's desire.
That's basically like saying,
okay,
you can come back to the land of the living,

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but you don't care about anything like nothing.
It doesn't matter that she's given up and trying to stop helping.
And I feel like it just sucks.
Like it's just a terrible character motivator because there's no motivation in it in the first place.
So I don't know.
I don't know what you got.
Yeah.
What do you think,
Darren?
I feel like this arc was poorly trying to tell us that this is her trying to just be a person in the universe and not a major player.

(55:24):
I,
I think that's what they were trying to get at where,
you know,
you can be a person,
you can interact with people,
but don't be this major bounty hunter.
Don't be the Sith Lord.
Don't be the general to the army.
So that was kind of where I think they were trying to steer us,
but they didn't really achieve that.
I mean,
the best example of it is when she's looking at the metals and stuff and,

(55:46):
and kind of recoiling from the world that she's leaving behind.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
You could also argue that like towards the end,
or I guess like just shy of the end when they're kind of negotiating the water with the ex-separatist,

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like she had to convince him that,
you know,
the war is over and he had to kind of let go.
That's kind of also what we're seeing with her character go through.
Yeah.
She's,
yeah,
she's letting go.
She,
she is,
she has and is letting go of,
of,
of her old ways.
Right.
And the old response would have been,

(56:30):
you know,
vengeance and let's take them out and stuff.
But like,
like I was saying,
like she is kind of,
she's becoming this hero and,
you know,
it's,
it's going to lead up to the event that we see later in the bad batch season three,
where she assesses Omega for force potential.

(56:51):
And at that point,
I don't know where Lyco is,
but it seems like,
maybe he's dead.
Like maybe she's lost a,
a potential apprentice or something like,
I don't know.
I don't really know.
She's so hesitant to teach.
Yes,
exactly.
Yeah.
So like,
I'm,
that's my theory,
but,
but I don't know.
We'll,

(57:11):
we'll see how that plays out.
Of course,
like,
you know,
that may be the direction they're going.
Then maybe everyone's going to like,
like,
like go and then they're going to let them live in another day.
And,
you know,
we're going to have another Jedi running around the galaxy still.
So,
yeah,
anyways.
Okay.
Well,
maybe it doesn't tell us how long takes place between the scene where

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boss drops her into the water and she's in that transport hub.
It doesn't tell us how long there is between that.
Maybe the bad bat story happened before she goes to the transport hub.
That's possible.
It's certainly possible.
I would just be very surprised if that was the case.
They have laddie gunships.

(57:55):
We saw laddie gunships in the episode too.
Yeah.
So it came too long after episode three.
Yeah.
And yeah.
Yeah.
See,
like it's,
it's definitely a possibility there,
but,
but I,
I,
I would be pressed to think that the time jump of when this takes place is probably kind of parallel with bad batch season one,

(58:18):
kind of like somewhere in there and then ends also in that same time period.
Like,
I feel like the events of her and Lyco,
meeting and then the story ending are like a few days,
if not a week,
you know,
cause it's only the third episode that he's like,
yeah,
we're friends.
Like,
right.
Like I,
you know,
something like that,
right.
Like he says on the back of the camel or whatever it is that they're riding.

(58:42):
Well,
we could figure it out.
What's the time gap between the end of revenge of the Sith and them building the official empire star destroyer fleet?
Cause,
they have to stop using Venator class,
right?
That's a good,
I think it's like,
so it might line up with like Jedi fallen order.

(59:04):
I think it's like five.
No,
it's gotta be like three to four years.
Cause Jedi fallen order is five years and they're dismantling the Venator classes.
But in solo,
which is five years after episode three,
we do see full on star destroyers in already built.
So don't we see,

(59:25):
Tarkin's a personal star destroyer at the end of bad batch season two.
Oh,
I pause.
Oh yes,
possibly actually.
Yeah,
I think we did.
I think you're right.
We did.
We,
we do see some star destroyers being properly built in that show,
if I'm not mistaken,
or maybe they're just repainted.
Venator is I forget.
No,
I'm just,
well,

(59:45):
no,
cause there was a shot of Tarkin's Venator somewhere and it's surrounded by a,
sorry,
his,
his Imperial class star destroyer.
And,
and it's surrounded by vendors.
And you see how much bigger the Imperial class is than the vendors.
That's why that shot stood out in my mind.
I think it's at the end of bad batch,
but I could be wrong.

(01:00:06):
No,
you're probably,
you're probably right.
Cause I don't recollect that from anything else.
Um,
yes,
the only other,
the Calvary has arrived.
That's the episode.
I think,
I think that you're referring to,
um,
totally.
Yeah,
that's the one.
Okay.
Yeah.
So you're right.
So,
so star destroyers kind of exist,
um,
already at the time of the,
the Calvary has arrived.
Uh,

(01:00:27):
that's,
uh,
my,
the only possible early one.
I'm not sure if this is the case is,
is at the end of revenge of the Sith.
When you see the death star being built with Vader,
is that as Imperial star destroyer?
Is that a predator?
I'm pretty sure that's an Imperial star.
Because the windows are tilted like that.
That's what I had wondered too.

(01:00:47):
So this is the season three finale.
The Calvary has arrived.
That's the season three finale that we see that shot of Tarkin ship.
And next to the vendors.
So that's,
that's kind of like three years ish after episode three,
roughly could be a little less,
maybe a little more,

(01:01:08):
but it's before.
They didn't completely phase out the laddies and for years,
like they,
they were using them quite long after.
Yeah.
Cause I,
I mean,
do we,
do we see laddies in,
in fallen order?
Yes,
but Saul was taking care.

(01:01:29):
It was using them at the time.
Oh yes.
Right,
right,
right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Uh,
anything,
anything else to bring up about,
uh,
this story arc in general,
and then we can move on to Apollo points of poodles.
I think that's it for me.
All right,
Darren.

(01:01:50):
No,
I think we pretty much covered it.
These were a little bit like they were fun,
but they were a little bit more shallow than most of what we've been getting lately.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I agree with that.
And then it's just a shame that is coupled with taking a character that already had a really interesting story and then just kind of cutting it off with the knees.
Yeah,

(01:02:10):
yeah,
definitely.
Um,
all right.
So,
uh,
we're gonna move on to Paula points of poodles here.
Uh,
why don't we do that?
And then Blake,
you can explain our rating system,
our wacky rating system to our listeners.
All right,
let's go.
Pablo doesn't think it's wacky.
I don't know if Pablo has ever heard us before,
but let's go.

(01:02:45):
All right,
uh,
Blake,
go for it.
Pablo points of poodles.
How does it work?
Pablo points in poodles.
So that's the rating system we use here.
On Star Wars.
Skate pod is technically a rating system of seven.
So it starts at a low point of three Pablo poodles and you worked your way up three to one to two to a bend.

(01:03:05):
Do it's a zero.
And then you work up public points from there.
One,
two,
three,
three being the highest,
the best of the best of the best.
Awesome.
All right.
So,
uh,
given that we have three episodes for,
uh,
Ventress,
uh,
to talk about,
and then next week we'll,

(01:03:27):
we'll do the,
uh,
the Cad Bane story arc where we're,
we're going to do all of these separately.
So,
uh,
Blake,
let's start with you.
Uh,
what would you give each of these independently?
I know,
and,
or we kind of grouped them together,
but this one we're going to just do full independent.
Um,
yeah.
So how would you,
how would you do it?
Yeah,
that's a lot of,

(01:03:49):
uh,
converging opinions on here,
I think for me,
because,
there's certain things I liked and certain things that definitely kind of bummed me out.
I feel like,
okay,
I think I'm going to go with maybe,
maybe a half Pablo point.

(01:04:10):
That's mainly just because of that intro.
And then I'll give it one Pablo point and then I'll go with the Bendu for the third one.
Okay.
So we've got a 0.5,
a one and then a Bendu.
Okay.
Interesting.
All right,
Darien,
what about you?
How,
what would you give these three?
I give the first one,
uh,
one Bendu,

(01:04:31):
the second one,
a Bendu and a half,
and then the third one 0.5.
Okay.
Sorry,
sorry.
One Pablo point,
then 1.5 and then 0.5.
Yes.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
Um,
okay.
So for me,
I would give the first one,
um,
a 0.5,

(01:04:52):
uh,
I mean,
I liked what I saw for the first little minute or two,
and then it kind of just went downhill for me after that.
Um,
the second one,
um,
I,
I felt like it was some good action story,
you know,
like everything else aside,
I thought it was some good storytelling,
some good action,
um,
could have been longer in my opinion,

(01:05:13):
could have maybe had a bit more,
you could argue that for all three stories.
Yeah,
totally.
I'll say the one thing that really has started to bum me out,
especially for star Wars.
It just seems like now that they don't have that mandatory 22 minutes to fill up or 44 minutes.
They just,
yeah,
yeah,
they don't spend any time like you could argue they just cut filler,

(01:05:35):
but watching shows that are only 12 minutes long,
it's kind of annoying.
Yeah,
I agree.
Uh,
I give the second one of one Pablo point,
uh,
for the final one.
Um,
I think I'm with you on that.
I probably going to give it a Ben do.
I think in my opinion,
the Ben do is like,
like held together only from the,
the good things that came out of the episode.

(01:05:57):
Like otherwise I'd kind of be in the Pablo Poodoo's if,
if you ask me,
but isn't that what rating is about them?
Uh,
but yeah,
yeah,
I know.
I just kind of like explain,
but kind of like thinking through as out loud here.
Um,
but okay.
So that,
that leaves us with an average of a 0.5 for the first episode,
uh,
one point for the second episode and an average of a Ben do for the third episode.

(01:06:20):
So as we get more ratings coming in,
maybe we can,
uh,
review these again next week with the team average.
If they update it,
uh,
you know,
that is all the other podcasts crew out there.
Um,
if you're listening,
you know,
put in your scores on the rating system,
a spreadsheet that we've got going on.
And also anyone who's listening,
you can,
you can see this,
um,
this for yourself.

(01:06:40):
If you,
if you want,
it's,
uh,
just go to star Wars podcast.ca,
uh,
or,
uh,
find the links in the description below.
Just hit the podcast archives link and find the tab.
That's called rating.
System.
Uh,
it's a great way to,
uh,
just see our historical recorded ones.
We've been giving positive points of booties for quite some time now,

(01:07:00):
but,
uh,
we only started keeping track,
uh,
just like a number of months ago or maybe sometime last year.
So,
um,
you know,
we got scores on there for a lot of stuff now.
Hopefully it,
it's builds.
Um,
all right.
A little bit of news here.
Uh,
just house cleaning stuff.
Um,
whatever the expression is.
Um,

(01:07:20):
there is something broken.
Uh,
with Apple podcasts right now and,
uh,
our show.
Um,
it is,
I've investigated it personally.
Very weird.
That is not updating as of May 3rd or something,
uh,
or something like that.
It's we're basically up to date as of Andor episode,
uh,

(01:07:41):
or the second part out of four of our after show for Andor,
but the last two and probably this episode as well,
we'll,
we'll not be going through for some reason.
Uh,
so just letting you all know,
if you are,
tuning into us from another platform like YouTube or Spotify or whatever,
every other platform works just fine.
So,
um,
it's just an Apple issue and I have sent in an email about it to the

(01:08:03):
customer service team and they have yet to get back to me as of a few
days ago still.
Uh,
but,
uh,
hopefully that get it resolved.
Um,
and,
uh,
hopefully we can get our new episodes on there as soon as possible for you
all.
But,
uh,
in the meantime,
uh,
apologies for anyone tuning in on,
uh,
on the Apple app of your,
of your choice.
Um,

(01:08:25):
something else is of course,
Cad Bane next week.
Uh,
you know,
we do have,
uh,
the other three remaining episodes of tales of the underworld to go through.
And I found the Cad Bane storyline very interesting and lots of talk about
there.
So,
uh,
so that was cool.
Um,
one,
you enjoyed it more than I think I did.

(01:08:46):
I think I did.
I think I enjoyed the Cad Bane storyline like a lot more than I thought I would
actually.
Uh,
interesting.
Okay.
It was a mystery.
I mean,
it was a story I've always wanted to know about.
I mean,
I had a very curious background.
This character's always had.
I didn't think I've wanted to know more about it,
but now that I know more about it,
I'm like,
Oh,
that was cool.
Like it was just kind of a nice,
refreshing story and just a fun,
fun story.
Fill in some blanks.
Yeah.
And you know what?

(01:09:06):
Like,
it's like the reality is like at some point everyone was just some,
you know,
every villain was probably just some innocent kid one day.
Um,
everyone,
you know,
I mean,
look at Darth Vader.
Yeah.
Right.
Movies dedicated to that.
Yeah,
exactly.
So,
that's how the story unfold.
Um,
all right.
One last question for you all real quick is,

(01:09:27):
uh,
Darien,
what's something that you're looking forward to now that and,
or season two has come to a close,
what's something that you're looking forward to that might be coming out,
uh,
in the remainder of 2025.
That XCOM video game is definitely,
Oh,
in 25.
Sorry,
2025.
Yeah.

(01:09:47):
Is there anything actually coming out this year?
No,
that's a good question.
I mean,
like,
I think,
uh,
well,
we've got visions volume three.
Yeah.
Um,
there's a few books and comics coming out.
If you keep on top of that kind of stuff,
uh,
uh,
DLC,
maybe for a star was outlaws,
uh,
the remaining weeks of star was fortnight updating each week until the middle of June.

(01:10:10):
Uh,
let's see.
It's a little slow overall.
It's a bit slow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
26.
It is.
Yeah.
All right.
Well,
actually right now,
the fandom has really revived battlefront too.
Yeah.
There's been a massive,
yeah.
Bombastic actually put out a call today for everyone to play this weekend to show EA that
people really do want a battlefront three.
All right.
That's great.
Cool.

(01:10:31):
Or just a,
you know,
just update battlefront two with a few patches.
Cause there's some crazy hackers in there these days.
I've,
I've,
I've seen them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(01:10:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah.
That's a great,
that's a great a great thing to mention.
So thank you.
Thank you for that.

(01:11:13):
Everyone go and play star Wars battlefront two.
I think by the time this episode drops,
it's actually going to be,
the weekend's going to be over,
just play through it and uh you know just ignore all the hackers out there just you know push
through stop the match just push through it start a new match i don't know just uh yeah get your
friends on there uh get the at the servers active also um one more thing there's a like a uh third

(01:11:35):
party out there called i think it's called kyber uh battle just look up kyber uh battlefront 2 and
it's a um a third party uh group of people that are creating their own like matchmaking platform
system and they're also leaving it open for mods as well and the mods are insanely cool like some
of them are really really great content uh so uh they've done the work to patch up the game and

(01:12:01):
make it even better and give it new life so yeah they're still working on new updates and and new
things like that it's not fully publicly released but they're taking patreons and stuff like that so
i'm not actually
you know a member of that i'm just i just i'm kind of aware of it so
just a heads up for anyone playing on pc cool what is something that you're looking forward to blake

(01:12:21):
uh i don't remember the name but the thing i'm most looking forward to and i'm pretty sure it's
this year is that spin-off series from the uh previous visions oh vision presents yeah vision
prevents the presents the ninth jedi that's the one yeah i'm really looking forward to that because
that ninth jedi

(01:12:42):
you
is one of the coolest star wars storylines i've seen in a really long time at the very least it
is getting a continuation in volume three so ninth jedi is getting a sequel episode in volume three
and then there's a presents feature length or or a a spin-off series that'll come after that
yeah it's a limited series i think yeah it's not gonna be an ongoing thing yeah limited series but

(01:13:06):
still it's a continuation from the next chapter which happens in volume three so look so you're
looking forward to volume three and then the continuation of the next chapter which happens in
volume three and then the continuation after that yeah for sure yeah specifically that storyline
i might re-watch it the original again soon here because i remember just being blown away by it i
thought it was so cool yeah that's good stuff a while since i've been like really inspired by
something right all right well thank you both for coming on may the force be with you good to be here

(01:13:31):
as always i have spoken all right may this force be with you guys thanks for tuning in you know the
ways to reach us
And we'll see you in the next one.

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