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Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod,
and another fantastic episode that we have planned today,
including a breakdown of the new Mandalorian trailer.

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We're talking about Mandalorian becoming a household name,
and some news about the upcoming parody of Star Wars returning series Spaceballs 2,
and a few other things.
So, without further ado, let's get into it.
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Hey, good to be here.
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Kicking things off with a crazy trailer there.
That's right.
Hopefully the audience hit play at the same time
as they know we're watching.
Yeah, well, we're going to go through this bit by bit
in just a sec here, but before we do,
just a quick little piece of news.
This past week, Dr. Aphra, Chaos Agent No. 4 dropped,

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Hyperspace Stories Codebreaker issue No. 4 dropped,
and Lego Rebuild the Galaxy Pieces of the Past
is on Disney+.
Have you watched it yet?
I actually haven't, no.
I haven't found the time.
Because you liked the last one, right?
Yeah, I did.
Yeah, I really enjoyed the first series.
But I've just been too busy watching other shows,

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other stuff.
Star Wars, right?
No.
What?
I know.
Whenever I have a moment,
I'll watch another episode of The Morning Show,
which is...
The Morning Show?
Yeah.
Like news?
Yeah, well, it's a show about a news broadcasting company.
Right.
It's with Jennifer Aniston.
It's not the actual Morning Show.
No, no, no.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's a fictional show, but...

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And what's his name?
Steve Carell is in it as well.
Oh, neat.
Anyway, season four is coming out soon,
and I was like, it's been on my list for a while,
so I better do some quick catch-up.
So now I'm on season three, like halfway through.
So I've been binging that.
But, yeah, I need to get around to watching this four-part miniseries,
which is a sequel to last year's four-part miniseries.

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The rumor is that they have left it open to a sequel once again,
so maybe we'll get a Rebuild the Galaxy Fragments of the Future
or something like that.
Third-part miniseries.
It's kind of interesting that they're doing separate titles.
Like it's not a movie.
It's a four-part miniseries type thing, but it could be a movie.

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I think it's probably the idea you watch them all in one sitting.
Yeah.
That's the idea, but you can break it up if you can't sit still for that long.
I guess so.
Yeah, I guess so.
Are you busy?
Right.
Like it's just one of those things, I guess.
But, yeah.
So we have The Mandalorian coming out.
I guess Mandalorian Grogu got a facelift for the logo.

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It doesn't really fit in as cleanly as the three steel books I have on my shelf
for the first three seasons of the show.
Right.
Where they kind of have almost like a sunset or a sunrise going on.
Yeah, like the squared off.
The Mandalorian.
It's like the squared off text.
And, you know, you can tell it's the same font,
but it's got that crazy like, you know.
And they gave it the solo treatment.
How so?
Well, if you watch the solo trailer, like it's like, you know,

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and then the text like flies in in 3D.
You feeling any, like, what are your thoughts on the trailer now that you've seen it?
Well, two things stood out immediately.
Firstly, I felt like, maybe you can correct me,
but my first impression was the, at least the visual quality looked hard with the show,
which I think.
The same cinematographer and everything.
Yeah, which I think gives props to the show.

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They were able to pull off such good quality with, I assume, a lower budget compared to
a theatrical film.
Yeah.
I mean, does that, does that make the show, does that bring the show up seeing that there's
a movie being done in the same like cinematic style or does it, does it bring this movie
down into like a more, this feels like the show, which felt kind of budget.

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It kind of depends if your glass is half full or half empty.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
Like, I mean, it could really go either way with that.
It just goes to show though.
Do you, I guess the real question is, do you think it could be better?
I, okay.
I, I think, and I'm being only slightly influenced by something I read online recently when I
say this, but I do think there are some unfinished shots in the trailer.

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Okay.
And, you know, so before people start freaking out about like.
That's pretty normal for trailers though.
Yeah, it is.
And, you know, and before people start freaking out about like, oh, this looks bad.
Remember that shot in the trailer for Rogue One that wasn't even in the movie?
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
Like, I mean, it happens, right?
So like, it's, it's just, it's just one of those things, I guess, that, you know, before
I sound like a complete, you know, like buffoon, you know, criticizing, criticizing, I'm just

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saying like, that was the one thing that kind of stuck out to me, but, um, but I know it's
probably not done.
So it's like, okay, I'm willing to let it slide.
That being said, if the movie comes out and it still looks this way, I'm going to be chapped.
The time will tell.
Uh, so we're going to do a full breakdown of this thing, but I think before we get into
that, um, I just wanted to bring up this topic and it could be short, it could be lengthy

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is the Mandalorian being a household name.
And I was thinking about this today, just like mauling it over, just going like the Mandalorian
is a household name.
Like certainly is amongst Star Wars fans.
I think it is amongst anybody now.
Do you think, cause I feel like you could talk to basically, okay, let me actually rephrase

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this.
I was going to say anybody, but I think you can at least talk to any male of any age category
and they'll know who Luke Skywalker is.
I can't say, I would say the same for the other gender, but like, I don't know if your
grandmother, for example, would know who that is.
No, but I feel like that's like one level deeper because like maybe somebody might.
Cause it's a household name.
That means you just bring it up and people just know.

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I think it, yeah.
And I think, I think that's the thing, but the Mandalorian, I think all age categories.
Well, okay.
So here's where I'm coming from.
Like, like back before the Mandalorian came out as a show, um, the only mainstream characters
that we had that resonated with the Mandalorians and the culture that were on screen and in
live action and not in an animated series was Boba Fett first and then Jango Fett later.

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And between the two characters and their family dynamic and their roots and their history and
whatever, however you're, however familiar that people might be to those characters, you
know, whether, whether it's been expanded universe stories or Canon or whatever.
Uh, I think people within, I think for sure, a hundred percent people within the, the, the

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fandom, uh, but I think more so just any general fan and probably knows that they are, you know,
connected to this group of people.
Right.
Uh, for outsiders, for people who are like the casual viewer, the casual fan would never
have associated the Mandalorian word term or anything like that with those characters
before this show.

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They might still not, uh, because they might not think, they might think that guy's name
is a Mandalorian.
Well, like I'm just saying like, like not once, not once in the movies, in any movie
through episodes one through six is the word Mandalorian issued at all.
Right.
Yeah.
So even, even in episode two, when Obi-Wan brings Jango's, um, saber dart into Dex's diner

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to get it analyzed, he says, it's a, yeah, he says it's like a Camino saber dart.
Yeah.
I don't know why the Camino ones are making him assassin equipment, but I had wondered
about that.
So it could be that he just bought it while it was on planets.
Maybe it is made by them.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Who knows?
Right.
Like maybe that ever explained.
No, it wasn't, but that's what I mean.
Like, like there's nothing in the six movies that ever say Boba Fett's a Mandalorian.

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If he said that's a Mandalorian saber dart, that could be from literally any planet.
Cause most Mandalorians are nomads, at least they're bounty hunting type.
Well, like I'm from Mandalore.
They're pacifists at the time.
Yeah.
And yeah.
And that was established, you know, later in the Canon, but in the expanded universe,
that wasn't always the case.
That was like, that was different.
Right.

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But that's what I mean.
We know that because we're familiar with who the Mandalorians were this entire time.
And when the show became a thing, it's called, Oh, it's a show called the Mandalorian.
That's cool.
I know who those guys are.
You know, I know who the, what this planet is.
I know what this rich history of their culture is about, but other people didn't know that.
And so what I mean is like by a household name, I mean, like you could, you know, you

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could say, have you watched the Mandalorian to any rando on the street?
And they will probably know what you're talking about.
Like they will probably be familiar with like, Oh, I've heard about that show or like I've
seen it or I've heard somebody talk about it or something.
And that's what I mean by household name.
Within reason.
Yeah.
Within reason.
It's like, it's almost like, like you couldn't go to a retirement home and ask that.

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I wouldn't think.
Uh, yeah, but I'm kidding.
That's really pushing it.
That's really pushing our chances in the opposite direction of the point I'm trying to make here.
But I mean like, okay.
Think of just instantly think of like just the two most popular superheroes that you can
think of.
Okay.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
Well, actually, let me guess.
Is one of them Spider-Man?

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That was actually the third one I came up with.
Okay.
Is one of them Batman?
Yes.
Okay.
So that's my point is, is like, basically these characters are household names beyond
the IP that they're from.
They've also been around for like 70 years.
Yeah, they have.
Yes.
But, but I'm saying like, that's where this, this show is the turning point.
This is the popularity turning point of who these characters are.

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Like the Mandalorians were nobodies to most people before this show existed.
They, they were, they were as popular as like, I mean, maybe like the, the, the Dathomirian
Nightsisters.
Okay.
Right.
Like they had like rich culture, cool characters, interesting, interesting.
No, they were more popular than that because people love Boba Fett.
Well, yeah, but that's the thing.

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Only people who knew about the Mandalorian culture who knew Boba was associated with liked
the Mandalorians because of him.
Right.
Like, like, whereas like, well, he was the, the first Mandalorian example, which ironically
then he became not Mandalorian.
Exactly.
It's almost like, oh, I love Ventra.
So that's why I like the Nightsisters.
Right.
Like, it's like, it's the same kind of thing, but even Ventra is not live screen.

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So, you know, I'm trying not to use that as an example, but much more niche, but still,
I mean, it's like, what I'm saying is like, it was a, such a niche thing.
It's like the Rodian, you know, I mean, like it sounds stupid, but as much, you
know, fan appeal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like the Rodian.
And it turns out to be like Greedo's brother or something like that.
But like, you know, the Mandalorian, like it's like, you know, thinking of a show back

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in the day when, before Disney plus, like when they were trying to come up with a show
about a character that was cool, you know, it's like, what do we, what do we call it?
Like, what do we, what do we do?
You know, like, and it's like the Mandalorian, it's got a good ring to it.
Star Wars fans, you know, into the history are going to be very, very familiar with it.
And if we make it a good enough show, it doesn't matter what it's called.
And, uh, you know, Spider-Man is such a dorky name.

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Right.
You know, and, and, and yet like, it's just, it sounds so natural when we say it or think
about it because, because it is, it holds its own level of status at this point beyond
the IP.
It's in public culture, yeah.
It's beyond its IP.
It's like, it's outgrown what it's originally from.
Right.
So like, it's like, you know, you, you take, you ask somebody on the street, it's like,
do you know what Marvel Studios is?

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Like, no.
Okay.
Well, that's the company that makes like, that made the three most recent Spider-Man movies.
Do you know what Spider-Man is?
Yeah.
I know what that is.
You know, like, and it's like the same thing with Batman.
Like, you know, same thing with even Superman, like people.
That was the other one I thought of, but yeah.
Yeah.
And it's like those three characters, I feel like have grown into a new, a level of fame
beyond their original story of origin type thing.

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Right.
Almost like how Superman got his own comic series called Superman after he was debuted
in action comics.
You ask anyone on the street now, right now, like, do you know what action comics is?
Yeah.
They're going to say no way.
But like, that's where Superman came from, you know?
And it's like the Mandalorian, I feel like it's kind of like that.
It's like, you ask anyone on the street now, you know what the Mandalorian is?
They're going to know what that is.

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They're going to think that they're in, I have some sort of association for the Mandalorian.
Whereas like a couple of years ago, you know, before 2019, they would, they would
be completely in the dark.
Right.
What are you talking about?
I mean, for sure.
And to be honest, I think a huge part of that is they really successfully with the original
season, they managed to get mass appeal by having a cool, like badass Mandalorian for

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the simple explanation term, kind of like a, this like space knight.
Yeah.
But then they also have this really cute alien infant, which kind of captures the other
audience that maybe isn't into cool space nights.
And they kind of got a little bit, a little bit of everybody.
And that's what Star Wars has always been about.
Like, I mean, you have night, you have the Jedi Knights, you have your princesses, you

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have queens, you have, you know, evil, evil, evil people.
You have robots, you have, you know, cyborgs, you have aliens, you know, crazy environments.
You have very cultural humanoid environments, you know, it's like, yeah, but you're missing
the part where I pointed out with Grogu where they, it didn't have a lot of cutesy stuff
before that.
You could argue the Ewoks, that's kind of it.

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Yeah, you had Ewoks, you had, you know, Yoda was always like a little like fugly, I guess.
I said cutesy.
I think like, I don't know, like what, what, like, yeah.
That's what I mean.
I feel like they did a, with this specifically, they just, they targeted kind of like both

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extremes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They did.
And, and, you know, and I, and I think that was the, that's what I mean.
Like, it's all part of that turning point in the show in which like, you know, people start.
Correct me if I'm wrong with that.
I feel like that's something that really was previously only common in things like anime
where they could really pull together.
Like, for example, just look at Pokemon.
There's cool, like badass Pokemon, like Charizard and Blastoise.

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And then there's like their first evolution, Squirtle and Charmander.
They're like the cutesy version.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, like, yeah, Grogu could fit in with Pokemon extremely well in terms of like design
aesthetic and, you know, it's like, okay, yeah, for sure.
But yeah, I think like the show is definitely set, it set and grew a reputation for itself.
And now it's taken to the next level.

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Now we're looking at a theatrical debut in the movie theater where Hollywood is known
to really, you know, take things up a notch, you know, in terms of like recognition, in
terms of like global expansion and the, I guess the effect on pop culture, you know, not
that the Mandalorian hasn't already had that effect, but you know, we're, we're taking
it to the movie theaters and that's like, that's a big deal.

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And so.
There definitely will be a bigger audience going to the theater.
Yeah.
Considering it was a show, they got three seasons.
If they had went straight to this into the theaters, I'm not sure as many people would
have went to it.
Well, that's exactly it.
I think like if Star Wars came out with a movie without debuting the show first and the
movie was simply called the Mandalorian and Grogu, it would have to be pretty obscure.

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It would have a terrible box office.
I mean, like they had to add.
What if it was Mandalorian and baby Yona?
You know what?
Okay.
Well, officially, officially, first of all, they probably wouldn't call it that, but
officially, secondly, they, they would probably have called it the Mandalorian and Grogu a
Star Wars story because the reason why Rogue One and Solo.

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An anthology film.
Yeah.
It was a Star Wars anthology movie, but officially the title is Rogue One, a Star Wars story and
Solo, a Star Wars story.
Right.
And it's because those names on their own do not stand the popularity contest when people
are looking for what movie to go to tonight.
It's like, oh, hey, it's a Star Wars story.
Let's go see that Star Wars movie.
I know what that is, you know, because Rogue One doesn't yet have its, it's, it's, you know,

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its name and nobody cares.
It's like, and because they did well though, it did, it did because it was, I mean, it was
an awesome movie, but it was Rogue One, a Star Wars story.
You know, it was, it was like, it was called something based on something that was popular.
Like Solo.
I mean, I feel like if they just called it Han Solo, like an origin story, like that would

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be the same thing.
You think that would have done better?
No, I, no, I don't.
I just, I just think that would have been the same like kind of level of marketing as Solo
a Star Wars story because nobody knows, like not everyone is always in the mindset of Star
Wars every day.
Like you and I think it's Star Wars every day.
We live and breathe Star Wars every day.
Someone says Solo, we know what they're talking about.

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Sure.
Some average person who's like, yeah, they're familiar with Star Wars.
They've seen it.
If they see, oh, there's a new movie coming out just simply called Solo.
They're not going to know what that is.
They're not going to associate Harrison Ford and the character of Han Solo with a movie that's
simply called Solo.
Like it had to be marketed.
If you never saw the trailer and you never saw the poster and you just saw the title.
Without the Star Wars.

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Without, yeah, just the text.
Just the word Solo.
Yeah.
I mean, that's pretty ambiguous.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I think that's why there was a strategy for like Solo a Star Wars story.
It's like at least that way when people are talking about it, you know, not that everyone
calls it Solo a Star Wars story, but like it's just, I think it was part of the strategy.
Solo, another Star Wars prequel.
Yeah.
I think it was just part of the strategy, right?

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And now people do, you know, a lot of people do refer to it as Solo or Rogue One or whatever,
simply because now people know what that is.
But it only needed to debut in the theater for that to happen.
And once people knew what it was, it's like, okay, well, we can start calling it, you know,
Phantom Menace or not Star Wars, Episode One.
The Phantom Menace.
Right.

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You know, super long titles.
The whole name.
But yeah, that's kind of the idea of some of these super long titles that you might
get in these IPs and these franchises, because like it has to resonate with what has come
before in some manner of speaking, right?
But The Mandalorian and Grogu is going to be the first Star Wars movie that does not have

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Star Wars in the title.
Are you sure?
I mean, it does.
Okay.
But it's not called that.
It's not called Star Wars, The Mandalorian and Grogu.
It's just called The Mandalorian and Grogu.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure that's on the edges though, right?
Isn't it the Empire Strikes Back style logo where it was just called Empire Strikes Back,
but then they had Star Wars in like the border?

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Yes.
No, no.
Because I feel like technically what you're getting at is-
Yeah, like on the VHS.
Yeah.
Empire Strikes Back would have been the first one.
I wasn't alive to know.
But yeah, let me look up a picture of this poster.
Oh, okay.
Well, first and foremost here.
So the YouTube trailer, The Mandalorian and Grogu.
That's it.
That's what it's called.
Sure.
But then it's on the brand, which is the channel, which says Star Wars.

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Yeah, that's true.
Okay, here.
Let's just Google it.
Let's just Google it.
Okay.
So Star Wars is in the logo.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is.
But it's not called-
Like on Google, the movie is just called-
It's such a comic book or like Indiana Jones looking font.
It is, yeah.
It's just called The Mandalorian and Grogu.
Like if I look up, let's just look up Rogue One again.

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Rogue One, A Star Wars Story.
Sure.
Yeah.
Right?
Like the title isn't officially Rogue One.
It's Rogue One, A Star Wars Story.
But we just call it Rogue One.
That's the nickname.
There's no nickname when I say The Mandalorian and Grogu.
That is the title.
So what you're getting at is a subtitle.
Yeah, like with Rogue One, A Star Wars Story, like that's kind of-
It's just-
Yeah, it's like kind of a subtitle.

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Like it's contextual title basically.
It's like putting it into perspective.
It's like, okay, Rogue One, this is a Star Wars Story movie, right?
Okay.
But what I'm saying is because The Mandalorian and Grogu is a household name already-
They don't need to do that.
They don't need to do that.
Like, yes, it's there in the logo, but that's simply for aesthetic purposes of-
People know it's a Star Wars movie.

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If people look at that and go, oh, The Mandalorian and Grogu, they don't even need to see the
second half.
They can just say The Mandalorian.
I know what that is.
That's a Star Wars show.
That's a Star Wars character.
That's a Star Wars story.
You know, they don't need to market that anymore.
So that's what I mean.
Like, it's like a crazy thing that I like, I only thought of earlier today.
I'm like, oh man, like this is the first Star Wars movie that doesn't-
That isn't marketed as a Star Wars movie.

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Like even Solo.
Solo, a Star Wars story.
Rogue One, a Star Wars story.
All the spinoffs have always said Star Wars.
Even Starfighter, the Ryan Gosling movie, Starfighter, that's going to be called Star Wars
Starfighter.
Mind you, there's a movie called Starfighter, but that's probably why.
Probably why, yeah.
The last Starfighter.
But yeah, I mean, like, isn't that crazy news?
Like in 50 years of Star Wars content, this is the first one that's just simply not being

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marketed as a Star Wars thing because it doesn't need to be.
People know what it is.
Do you think if they did an Ahsoka movie, they would do that?
They wouldn't need to label it?
I think if it was, yeah.
So the shows, I think, are a different thing.
But yeah, if it was a movie, I think they would sadly have to.
I don't think Ahsoka is as big as The Mandalorian.
Even if there's two more seasons?
No.
See, I think there really was something magical and profound about The Mandalorian when it

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first came out.
I was blown away.
Do you think it was that it was like the main title to push with Disney Plus?
It was.
It became that.
It became that.
But I think also, like, it was, it just goes to show, like, as something as obscure as
a Mandalorian, you know, a character with no face and a helmet.
It was a, it's a risky story to kind of tell, you know, and especially when you do have

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a character being played by a famous actor like Pedro Pascal.
And I see what you're saying, but it's been done before.
Darth Vader.
It has, but the movie's not called Darth Vader.
It's called Star Wars.
Like, it's, it's, it's profound to me.
That's like, they don't need to call it Star Wars anymore.
Like, they can just call it The Mandalorian.
People know what it is.

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Like, if they came out with a Darth Vader movie, if they probably won't, won't need to
do it.
They could call it Darth Vader.
They could just call it Darth Vader.
People would know what that is.
Oh, yeah.
For sure.
Yeah, yeah.
For sure.
They don't need to market it as a Star Wars story, right?
Like, people will know what that is.
But what I'm saying is, like, The Mandalorian has joined that rank of popularity and that
recognition, you know?

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It's become a household name.
When's the last time StarWars.com did a vote character competition?
Oh, like those.
Oh, I miss those.
It's been a long time, but I just dated myself.
It was always in March.
It was March Madness or something like that.
March Madness.
Yeah, was it?
I'm curious to see, from what you're talking about, I still feel like Darth Vader will win
because it's Darth Vader.
But I'd be curious to see where Mandalorian would end up in comparison.

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It's called, it's called This Is Madness.
They used to do these character.
When was the last one?
Was it like 10 years ago?
Voting for your favorite.
Uh, yeah, I feel like, okay, the last one.
They used to do it every year.
They used to do it.
Yeah, it was like, it was pretty consistent for a long time.
I think the last one was 2016.
That's basically 10 years ago.
So we did a podcast where we went over this, actually.
Uh, there was 2013, 14, 15, and 16.

(24:49):
They did it for four years in a row.
I don't know why.
Maybe I thought that they did it for longer.
I think I tired of Darth Vader winning.
Four years in a row.
In this order of 13, 14, 15, 16.
Yoda, Obi-Wan, Vader, Luke.
You know what happened?
They got upset.
They're all original trilogy characters.
They're like, that's it.
It's like, okay, I'm starting to see a pattern here.
Um, I think they did have to kind of switch it up with like, you know, like with, with,

(25:12):
like the year that Luke Skywalker won, like maybe like he was up against some like Schmo
character.
Like it was like Luke Skywalker or like Cad Cad Bane, you know?
That's not entirely Schmo.
Was in like.
It's not, no, but they didn't use.
It was your favorite.
Luke Skywalker or Prune Face.
Prune.
Yeah, they didn't do that.
They, they only picked like recognizable characters.
Oh, Ponda Baba for sure.

(25:32):
So like it was Luke, it was Luke first, Harris and Dula.
Then it was actually, this was.
Bro, this was, was this, this during Rebels popularity though?
Yeah, this was when, yeah.
So that was the, the most background it got.
Starwars.com.
This is madness.
If you're listening, this is madness.
This March.
Bring it back.
Bring it back.
Also bring back Rebels Recon.

(25:53):
Oh yeah.
But for some other show, I guess.
All right.
We're going to play this back at, uh, 25, 25% speed and, uh, no audio.
I was going to say it might sound weird.
Yeah.
Uh, we're just going to go through this.
Pixel by pixel.
Yeah.
Shot for shot.
And, uh, we'll just try and break it down as best as we can here.
So let's get this in 4k resolution here.
Okay.

(26:13):
So it's no secret that, uh, there's a new Razor Crest 2.0.
Yeah.
So that's probably the first thing we're going to talk about.
How do you feel about that coming back?
I, I liked that it blew up.
I liked that it was like, okay, we had this ship for two seasons and Book of Boba.
Like let's, was it two seasons of Book of Boba?
Oh no.
It was a season and a half basically.
Cause that was season two that it blew up.

(26:35):
Um, anyway, it was like, I, like I was, I was fine with it.
You know, I think it worked for the story.
I think it like, you know, he got, got into slave one.
It took off.
He had to kind of pair up with Boba for a while, which was kind of the, one of the coolest.
It was a cool partnership ever.
And then that came back and Book of Boba.
And those were the best Boba Fett episodes.
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
You know, like it was pretty sweet.

(26:56):
And then, and then I am very, very, um, like the, the Naboo N1 is like one of my favorite
ships ever made.
Right.
Like to some people, and a hot rod version is pretty sweet.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, dude.
Like, it's like, like to some people, like they're, they're all about the X-Wing.
It's like, Oh, I love the X-Wing.
I'll get a frigging tattoo of the X-Wing.
You know?
Right.
That's the N1 to me.
You're an N1.
Yeah.
You're an N1 guy.

(27:17):
That's the N1 to me.
The N1 is like, if I had to get a ship tattooed on my face, like.
It was so good.
They never even need to make an N2.
Right.
Been making the same ship for 500 years.
Uh, but yeah, it's a sleek ship.
It's a cool design.
I love Doug Chang's art.
You know, like it's just, it's just such a great, like it just home run with that one.

(27:39):
Right.
It's pretty cool.
I mean, you can't go wrong with the Stingray.
And like you said, like a rat rod style, like version of that in like chrome.
And it's pretty sweet.
Oh my gosh, dude.
Like it was like, man, I, that was like, that was one of the exceptions.
Cause I have.
It's not practical though.
No, it's not.
For a bounty hunter.
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
No, it doesn't.
It doesn't.
It's just cool.

(27:59):
It's more like a, let's quickly get around.
Yeah.
But then they also brought that fast and furious like essence to it when.
Right.
You know, he like just takes off.
Yeah.
And like, you know, yeah.
And then like the, it's basically a NOS button, right?
Space NOS.
And.
Do they do their thing where they go through the engine?
I can't remember.
Yeah.
Like the one tile, it's like, did you just go into hyperspace?
Like, no, that was a sublight engines.

(28:20):
Like, it's like, that's just his cruising speed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, like zero to like a thousand in like 0.5 seconds.
But yeah, I mean, it was, it was, it was such a cool.
So like to see this big bulky, like ship back again for me, I'm like, I get it.
Like, like people, people think of that ship when they think of the Mandalorian.
What if the N1 docks onto this version?

(28:41):
Okay.
Would that be happy with it?
That'd be pretty sweet.
I'd be happy if he still at least had it somewhere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what I'm wondering is what happened to it.
Yeah.
Cause there's no way, like, I mean, that thing was awesome.
I mean, maybe he sold it.
I mean, or maybe, maybe we'll see, maybe we'll see him get, maybe we'll see him get into it
again.
Who knows?
Right.
Like maybe when he's doing his day job, he's using this thing again.
And then when he's like, got to quickly get around, like he was the other one.

(29:02):
I mean, some people have two cars.
Like it's not a huge, you know, weird thing.
That's possible.
Whatever.
Uh, two ships.
I don't know.
He's based, he's like camping out.
He's got a nice house on like this property on a planet in the middle of nowhere.
Right.
Like season three ended off with him sitting on the porch.
It doesn't make a lot of sense though.
Just chilling.
Imagine being a farmer and your daily driver's a Ferrari.

(29:22):
Well, some farmers do have a Ferrari.
Yeah.
They're not driving it around and go to town.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, that's what I mean.
Like that, that, I'd like his new daily.
Okay.
All I want is him to still have it.
I don't care if he's got a new Razor Crest back that he's using for his bounty hunting.
He's got it back in the, he's got a farm.
So it's literally in the barn.
I want to see it parked in his house or at the, at the ranch.
Yeah.

(29:43):
Anyways.
Um, but I, I totally get it.
I like the design of the Razor Crest.
So I'm happy to see it again.
Yeah.
I'm also happy.
That means that we might get another Lego set.
Yeah.
Cause it's pretty sweet.
It's, I don't know if I like it being this shiny though.
Yeah.
It is a bit more, a bit more chromey than I remember it to be.
But, um, I think, I think one thing to like one last thing about the, uh, the Razor Crest

(30:04):
is I get that they brought it back because like they're once again, like they're playing
off of the same audience that season one of the Mandalorian brought into Disney plus
when it first came out in 2019.
Do you think that's the angle trying to make it feel like season one?
I don't think they're making, I don't, well, I don't think they're trying to make it feel
like season one.
I think they're targeting an audience that is familiar with season one, because if you think

(30:28):
of the Mandalorian, you think of the Razor Crest ship.
That's true.
Yeah.
So I think like that's their majority, you know, again, I'm like, I got to take myself
out of the mindset of the day-to-day Star Wars.
I know that the Mandalorian is not driving the Razor Crest anymore.
Right.
But not, not everyone remembers that, right?
Like it's the day-to-day consumer and the day-to-day viewer that is going to think of the
Razor Crest when they think of the Mandalorian.

(30:49):
So I think they have to bring it back because, because of this audience, because of the theater
experience, they have to bring a familiar ship to bring in those people.
That only makes sense if you don't think everybody watched through season three.
I don't think everyone did.
I think season three held a lower viewership than the previous, like it, it went downhill
like anything does, like viewership declines, right?
So season one is where they're targeting.

(31:11):
Season one, it has to feel, it has to look like it.
It's got to have elements of season one in there that people are familiar with.
And I think the Razor Crest was just a dead obvious choice to bring back, as much as I
hate to say it.
Something that we should potentially talk about is, is there any chance that that is the original
Razor Crest, and this is a flashback?
I feel like the yellow paint is different, but...

(31:31):
It's certainly possible, but I don't think that's the case.
I think he does have a new Razor Crest.
Is the yellow paint on it different than the original?
Yeah, it is, I think.
It's got different...
I think it looks different to me.
It is different, yeah.
Okay.
They probably do this specifically so people wouldn't think it's a flashback.
I mean, this way they get to sell a whole new Lego set.
Yeah, man.

(31:52):
Okay, so Razor Crest flies by, nice beachy, beachy West Coast, Oregon style.
No, there's sand.
It's not rocks.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, North California.
Got a little town or something on the cliff there.
Nice views.
Grogu with the scope was kind of hilarious.

(32:14):
I already found a...
The range finder?
Yeah, I already found a...
Yeah, the range finder.
Yeah, I already have a GIF online that I...
You made?
No, I didn't make it.
I already used it.
Somebody already made it.
Yeah, you can do a lot of that.
It looks like they're actually working.
It looks like wherever they brought the Razor Crest down into the beach,
like this is that same beach.
That's true.
So there is definitely like, I think, modern...

(32:36):
It looks like around the same point of the film, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, we got some inoculars.
I doubt that this is the scope.
I think Mando's probably got...
The shape is different.
Yeah, the shape is probably like him looking through some stormtroopers.
Was that...
Hold on.
Was that Solo's Speeder?
Was that Solo's Speeder?
The book?
The little boxy thing?
Kind of.
Oh, it kind of does look like it.

(32:57):
It looks a little bit like Solo's Speeder from the Solo movie.
It does.
Yeah, it's kind of similar, isn't it?
I feel like it's too small.
It is.
It looks like it.
It's too short.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's like a nice mention, though.
It does kind of have that same Corellian sort of essence about it.
All right, next shot here, we got...
Baba Freak.
Yeah, Baba Freak.
I think this is the Baba Freak, too.

(33:19):
It looks like him.
Yeah, it looks like the exact same costume.
Yeah.
I mean, do we have any idea how long his race lives for?
I think they're supposed to live for a while.
Like, it looks like these guys are, like, in the sewer somewhere.
The Anzellans.
The sewer?
His home, this is.
He probably didn't see that coming.

(33:44):
All right, we got Sigourney Weaver's character looking at a...
An iPad.
An iPad, yeah.
Star Wars.
It's a data pad.
Yeah, there's, like, no privacy on that thing.
Look at that.
No, you can see it from the other side.
It's like, what are you doing?
You're banking on there.
Like, someone at the other table across the room.
You just clearly see all your banking information.

(34:05):
Oh, man.
That's Apple's next endeavor, eh?
Just transparent iPads.
We have revolutionized the iPhone once again.
So thin that you can see through the back.
And trading privacy for convenience.
All right, we got Grogu looking at a bowl of snacks there.
Man, this, like, trope has been overplayed so hard.

(34:28):
With the snacks?
Yeah, it's, like, constant.
Oh, he's always eating.
Every time he shows up, he's just trying to steal food.
Every time, man.
Yeah.
It looks like they're in a...
I had a dog like that.
It looks like they're in an old Rebel base.
And here's where I, like...
Because of the Rebel emblem in the corner over there?
Yeah, and this is where I'm, like...
This is why I think they're really...
They're really trying to bring in the Star Wars numbers at the box office as what they're hoping for.

(34:54):
Because we know that this show takes place, like...
It starts, like, six to seven, if not even nine years after episode six, right?
Like, we're getting into that, like, one-third of the way to the sequel trilogy sort of era, right?
Right.
And this movie takes place after all those shows.
The New Republic should be in full swing.

(35:15):
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
New Republic is in full swing now, right?
So, like, that's why I'm...
This is why I'm so enforced about why they brought the Razor Crest back.
Because, like, I'm convinced they're just trying to grab as much current nostalgia that people still have for Star Wars.
And, you know, it's a great opportunity to say, like, oh, well, you know, maybe, like, the New Republic still hasn't...

(35:39):
Like, they haven't officially demilitarized just yet.
Like, this is an old Rebel base that they're still operating out of.
Do you think that's something they regret?
Yeah, I don't know.
Just for the familiarity?
I think...
Yeah, I think purely this is just for familiarity.
I think this is for people to look at the trailer.
They see the Rebel Alliance logo.
They think, that's cool.
I want to go see that Star Wars movie.

(35:59):
You know what I mean?
Not that I'm complaining about it.
I'm just saying, like, you know, this is kind of how it is.
Like, I'd like to know how many people were...
I don't know.
Like, were there any, like...
There must have been some, like, very, like, military-specific emblems or logos that people used back in, like, World War II.
You know, like, how many people were still, like...
World War I is the German Iron Cross.

(36:20):
Yeah, or World War I.
Like, how many people were still, like, maybe have that plastered up on their wall, like, 15 years after the war ended, right?
Depends if they won, I guess.
Yeah, I guess so.
But, I mean, I don't know.
It's just, like...
I think, again, I think it's just for the viewership.
I think it's for the...
Purely for the viewership.
It is weird.
You're right.
It's kind of gotten to a point where it's kind of a cult.

(36:41):
The Rebel Alliance?
Yeah.
It's just...
Yeah.
And then Sigourney Weaver's character obviously has the New Republic logo on her...
The difference is the dot.
...jacket.
Yeah, the difference is the ring with the stars.
The stars, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, the stars around the ring.
But she's still got her rank, which is the dice face.
Yeah, so...
I think it's a five.

(37:01):
It's a...
Is it a five piece or a three piece?
Yeah.
No, I think it's five because they wouldn't do three like that.
It'd be an awkward shape.
So, there's two that would be above.
Ah, yeah.
Maybe it is a weird shape like that.
Well, okay.
So, three dots in a triangle, like the way she has it is a commander.
If it was the opposite with one dot on the bottom and two on top, it would be major.
If it's five dots, like you say, it'll be general.

(37:24):
Well, what's weird is what you're looking at and what you see on her.
It looks cut off.
It does.
From the collar.
But that would make it too square to the reference that you have.
Well, yeah.
I'm looking at a little like drawn image though.
So, I think you're right.
It might be five dots.
Like, here's another one.
Yeah, if it's a full square, then I think it's five.
But if it's kind of a rectangle, then it's three.

(37:45):
Or this one says, I have a different thing here.
It says, okay, one of them says it could be general.
One reference image says it could be like an admiral.
Army admiral.
Army admiral.
So, it could be either.
It could be admiral or general.
I think you're right.
I think that is five dots.
Yeah, you're right.
It looks like it's partially cut off.

(38:05):
So, she's a pretty high-ranking character.
Like, you know, just from like a story perspective.
Okay, she takes back the snacks.
Okay, we get hit with the Lucasfilm logo.
And we get into this next shot here, which is...
Less and less green with every show.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, so we see a reflection of the city streets that they're walking through.
And I know some analysis, analyses have been done on this exact shot.

(38:30):
What is that?
And there is an image of a starship on this pillar back here.
Do you see that little orange strip right there with the ship on it?
It's like in the top right-hand corner.
But it'll be upside down, right?
Yeah, it's upside down because of the reflection.
That's the Halcyon Legacy.
That rings a bell.
It does.
Isn't that the Disney thing?

(38:50):
Yeah.
Yeah, so that's a little nod of the head to the...
Yeah.
What's that say?
It says out of commission?
Shut down?
Bankrupt?
Oh, yeah.
What does that say?
It's Arabish.
Can you still read it?
I can, like, a few letters here and there.
But let me just...
For the sake of speed, I'm just going to look up a translator here.
I saw these really cool translator cards online.

(39:12):
You can, like, get, like, a credit card-sized thing with the punch-outs of the letters.
So you just keep it in your wallet?
Yeah, you just keep it in your wallet.
Or, like, man, that's, like, pretty sick.
Pretty soon you could just use an AI app and just translate it live.
Exactly.
Okay, this could be...
Oh, yeah.
It's also...
Okay, it's upside down and I think it's also backwards.
Could be.

(39:32):
They're really trying to throw you off.
It's very helpful.
Okay, let's just advance through the shot a little bit.
Maybe it'll be a bit more clear.
Okay, so is that Mando?
Is that his boots?
Oh, and then the shot ends.
I'm assuming that was him, but...
I think so.
Okay, so he's kicking this poor bloke into the bar.
He's just a regular shopkeep.
He didn't do anything wrong.
There goes the whiskey.
And then Grogu just, like, pounces on his back there.

(39:53):
That's cool.
Okay, so this guy is kind of interesting.
Isn't that the alien race that Bryce played?
Bryce played?
Yeah.
Is it?
So they just look super different.
But they're...
I mean, it's more modern prosthetic and stuff, of course.
But yeah, the Amanis.
Amani.
Yeah.
So this guy looks to be in the same environment as Grogu and the Anzillin, Babu Frick.

(40:15):
But yeah, that's an Amani.
First appeared in Jabba's Palace, Return of the Jedi.
So yeah.
Looks like he could be...
Like, he's a little vicious looking guy.
Like, it looks like maybe he could be like a bounty hunter or something.
He's holding on to some sort of melee weapon, I think.
Yeah, it looks like a spear or maybe it could be a blaster, even like a rifle or something.
It looks like a scythe.
A really short scythe.
Right.
So Grogu's in the...

(40:36):
It looks like the Razorcrest.
And...
No, it's him in the Razorcrest.
That's proof.
The new Razorcrest.
Looks like he's a...
The Razorcrest, too.
It's been re-crested.
He's a decent co-pilot now.
Okay, so the Razorcrest flying through the sky.
I love that we're seeing Vulture...
Looks like Vulture droids.
Does it look like Vulture droids, too?
Vulture droids.

(40:56):
Yeah, looks like Vulture droids chasing them.
Could be.
I don't think those are...
You don't think they're like tie advanced or something?
I don't think so, because those are red...
Strikers or something?
I feel like we'd be seeing like green blaster fire if those were ties.
That's true.
I think those are 100% Vulture droids with those red...
Why would there be Vulture droids?
I think when we listened to this with sound, I think they do sound like Vulture droids.

(41:19):
Yeah, pretty sick.
I mean, you know, Dave and Jon are like no stranger to like bringing back elements of the prequels and the Clone Wars, you know?
Like Dave brought the B2 episode on that crazy like Jack Black...
Or no, Christopher Lloyd episode.
That's right.
In the Mandalorian season 3.
I think it was like...
Was it the same episode that I'm thinking of?
Yeah, it was.
Yeah.
It's the Jack Black episode.
Christopher Lloyd.

(41:40):
Yeah, Jack Black and Christopher Lloyd.
I think he was like...
Was it one episode that they both were in?
And the singer lady.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Crazy plot.
But anyway, that was like with the droid bar and everything, you know?
But yeah, I'm not surprised that they would bring back Vulture droids.
It was as Grogu's like drowning.
He can swim now.
It's more like bobbing, like floating.

(42:01):
You want to talk about this one?
Floating with style.
You want to talk about this guy?
That looks like a Trandosh.
Oh, no.
Never mind.
That's Zeb.
He was silhouetted.
He was silhouetted.
Zeb's taking out some Stormies.
Yeah.
Um, pretty cool.
Still using his, um...
Is it a bow staff?
This is his, like, electro...
He's like, it's...
It's the...

(42:21):
The weapon of the Lasats.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a rifle and a electro staff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like cultural weapon.
So, Grogu going for a ride.
Oh, my goodness.
What's a Boba Freak in company?
Boba Freak.
One, two, three.
Uh, we got an awesome U-Wing showing up, uh, with Mando rocketeering to it.
People watching a movie in the theater.

(42:42):
I think they're watching a fight club or something.
That's this, that's this shot right here.
Yeah, we do.
Yeah.
So, the next one is, uh...
What do you think of seeing a...
A big hut guy.
A hut, yeah.
So...
In an actual position where they have to fight instead of just tell other people to fight.
Um, I think, like, it's, it's pretty cool.
Um, this guy right here is, uh, is rumored to be, uh, the giant, like, muscular slug that

(43:08):
was, uh, or the hut, I guess, that was, like, introduced in the Marvel Star Wars comic book
series.
Um, I, I'm blanking on his name, but if you, I'm just, like, showing you a photo right here.
Like, you can see he's just completely...
Look at those abs.
Jacked up, like...
Abs for days.
Yeah, so...
Because he's a slug, they literally just keep going.

(43:29):
Yeah, so I think, I think that's him.
If I, if, like, uh, Gracchus, that's his name, Gracchus the Hutt.
Uh, so, yeah, a brief history of Swole Hut.
Um, joining the ranks of Ben Swolo, we got, uh...
Gracchus.
People are hoping it's Rod of the Hutt, and I'm like, no.
That'd be funny.

(43:49):
Do not want that to be Rod of the Hutt.
That would be very funny.
Be kind of funny, but, uh, but, yeah, at the same time, it'd be a little inferior.
Rod of the Hutt just never wants to be kidnapped again, so he just hits the gym.
But, yeah, that's, uh, that's probably Gracchus the Hutt, is my guess.
Kind of a cool little connection there to, uh, to the Marvel comics.
Um, okay, so it looks like Mando and Grogu are having a nice show.

(44:11):
Uh, this little popcorn mix here, I know this is a very subtle, small, kind of insignificant.
People probably might not care about it.
But that's the same popcorn mix that you can get at the Disney parks.
Of course it is.
Um, yeah, it was, uh...
Hey, guess what?
Since this trailer released, the price went up.

(44:33):
Oh, my goodness, yeah.
Yeah, they're gonna be selling, like, that, like, white plastic bucket called a replica.
You can buy the special edition that comes with the plushy Grogu.
Yeah, it's called, um, yeah, Kat Saka's Kettle in Galaxy's Edge.
Um, it's, uh, yeah, the Outpost Mix, um, a signature blend, uh, created by grain merchant Kat Saka,

(44:58):
who uses heirloom grains and collected galactic spices to create a salty, spicy, and sweet flavor profile.
Do you think that's why Grogu decided to order that specific dish?
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah, who knows?
I mean, uh, yeah.
Could they be on Batuu, do you think, at any point in this movie?
That's a good question.
I don't know what Batuu looks like outside of the town.

(45:19):
Yeah, um, anyway, that's, that's it.
There's a picture of it right there.
Oh, yeah, there it is.
So, like, I mean, it's the stuff.
That's pretty funny.
Kind of cool.
Maybe they saved money on production, because they just ordered out from, straight from the park.
Yeah, exactly, eh?
Okay, so, uh, the next shot's kind of interesting, because, uh, well, first off, there's all these, like, robots
kind of out front of, um...
Troids.
What looks like...

(45:40):
It's huge.
It looks like it could be the same environment that we saw them in before, only...
It looks like the first-gen Iron Man suit.
They do, yeah.
It looks like Iron Mongers.
But, yeah, you recognize that symbol on the door, right?
Like, the symbol of the Hutt Clan.
Oh, I do recognize that, yeah.
Yeah, you probably recognize it from when we play Outer Rim, uh, the board game.
Most likely, yeah.
But, uh, but, yeah, that's the symbol of the Hutts, which is almost never seen in any kind

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of live-action material.
Yeah, it was always just EU, right?
Uh, yeah, because I don't even recall seeing it in animation, either.
It's always, like, an EU thing, or, like, you know...
Do you see other ones?
You see it in the games.
Like, you see Black Sun.
Yeah, you see other things in the...
You see the Syndicate.
Yeah, like, yeah, you do occasionally see other...
Yeah, but, like, the Hutts have never had, like, their logo on...

(46:24):
I don't think they've had it on their, like, on display for, like, audiences.
Like, it's only, like, people, you know, engrossed in the fandom, I think, would recognize it.
Right.
Or people who, like, you know, listen to podcasts like this, like us.
So, yeah, it looks like Mando's trying to break into maybe his office or something like that.
Okay, who's this lizard guy?

(46:45):
Is that supposed to be a Trandoshan?
Uh, hmm.
If it is...
It's a pretty weird-looking Trandoshan, if it is.
I hope it's not.
I kind of hope it's not, too, because it doesn't look...
But it's not different enough from a Trandoshan to justify not having a Trandoshan.
No, it's true.
I mean, like, like, dang.
I mean, oh, no.

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You know what that is?
What's that?
I think that's one of those characters from the Djaric holotable.
Like, there's a bunch of aliens that are...
Oh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Previously only in Claymation.
A Mantellian Savrip.
A key part of the trailer takes place in the gladiatorial arena.

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But, yeah, this is one of the aliens from the...
I'm sure glad to be there.
It's a reptilian creature from Ord Mantell.
Ord Mantell.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Isn't there a syndicate there?
Like a crime family or something?
I mean, if we're going with the context of the trailer, it's probably, like, the huts that live there, you know?
So, whether it's Gracchus or Rada, yeah, it looks like it might be one of their places of residence.

(47:51):
Great.
Now, we...
All right, we got a shot of Mando and Grogu skyrocketing out of a blowing up AT-AT.
It's not a full AT-AT.
It's the one from Rebels.
He's got the bubbles at the front.
Oh, yeah.
It looks like a slightly different version.
Yeah, it's the smaller one that we see them in Rebels.
Well, I thought that was a two-legged one.

(48:12):
No, there's a four-legged one as well.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I think it's the one from Bad Batch where they, like, squat in it, if you remember.
Like, sit down on something.
Oh, okay.
This is the shot, by the way, that, like, doesn't look quite finished.
It's a pretty tough shot.
Yeah, people were, like, ripping on it.
I think it's just, like, the lighting or something.
Yeah, because the face turrets are very different than what we see in Empire Strikes Back.

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Yeah, there's two ahead of that walking along the cliff, and then that's it.
And then we get the logo.
It seems like a really bad place to drive in AT-AT.
And look at that.
Look at that.
For the first couple seconds, you don't see Star Wars at all.
That's true.
You just see The Mandalorian, and then And Grogu pops in.
And then once And Grogu pops in, at the very tail end of it.

(48:58):
I don't know about this font, man.
Then you get the Star Wars logo that shows up after.
Just a quick reminder, in case you forgot.
Yeah, exactly, right?
I don't know about this font.
It reminds me of, like, Mars Attacks.
Yeah, see, that's what I mean.
Like, when they first announced the movie, like, they had the logo presented in the original font and format as the show.
Right.

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Which was, like, a lot more squared off.
Like, this is the same font, I think, but it's just, like, you know.
The shading.
Like, wavy.
So, another big thing about this movie, it's forged for IMAX, which is, like, you know, it's a selling point for people who love going to IMAX.
Not many people have access to an IMAX.
But, I mean, I guess it just goes to show, like, they're presenting this in really high quality.

(49:43):
Yeah, like, they're intending this to be not only a theatrical release, but it's also intended to be a movie, you know, like, an event.
You know, you go to the theater and you hit the IMAX.
Oh, and then we got one more shot here.
It's, like, some creature in the sewer void.
I think Grogu has a goop gun.
Yeah, Grogu's goop gun.
Okay, yeah.
The rat thing is, like, losing its mind.

(50:04):
Good shot, baby.
Okay, yeah.
These are probably the same end zones that we saw in the show, maybe.
Because they went to their place.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Anyway, May 2026.
Well, it's also that he's from Rise of Skywalker, right?
Yeah.
No, it is.
I think that's where he first showed up.
Yeah, it is.
It is true.
I think we were surprised to see him in Mandalorian in the first place.
Right.

(50:25):
Because he makes evil 3PO.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, they do that whole, like, hacking.
Yeah.
Hacking thing on 3PO.
But, yeah, now that we've gone over the trailer, like, what's your, like, any thoughts, concerns,
anything that you, like, like about it?
Anything you don't like about it?
Well, I know you're not happy about it, but I do.
I love the N1 design, but for the character Mandalorian, I prefer the Razorcrest.

(50:50):
I think it just fits the character better.
I've always had an issue with the N1.
I agree.
With the N1.
I do agree.
I just love the ship.
Like, that's the thing.
I don't care who's driving that ship.
Like, I just like the N1.
Right.
But I do agree that it does fit the character.
Like, if you capture somebody, if you're a bounty hunter, like, where do you put them?
Right.
Yeah, yeah, no.
I fully, I 110% agree with that.
Like, I just don't, like, and it's such an iconic design.

(51:13):
I think they just thought, like, you know what, let's just give them another one.
Like, it makes no sense for him to all of a sudden be in some other freight vehicle.
Would you rather have them made something else?
Like a new ship?
Yeah, to be honest, it would have to be, it would have to be, like, very simply good.
You know, as soon as you look at it, you have to have that instant connection.
And, like, maybe they tried it.

(51:34):
Like, maybe they did have the art department say, like, you know what, take a crack at a new Star Wars ship.
Try and see if you can come up with it.
YT-2400?
Yeah, like, well, see if you can come up with an iconic design that someone might associate with a Star Wars movie.
And, you know, we'll see what works, right?
And they probably just ultimately said, like, you know what, screw it, let's just bring back the Razor Crest.
Do another one, yeah.
We'll just make another one, because, like, you know, maybe he found one for sale or something.

(51:58):
So, yeah, but, like, it looks brand new, though.
It does look brand new, but I guess anything can be made to look new if it's, like, you know, fixed up and stuff.
I guess, yeah, he did that with that in one.
Yeah, because the design of the Razor Crest, like, the part of the plot in one of the season one episodes was that the advantage of the Razor Crest was that it was pre-Empire.
Which means that it was old enough that it didn't have any kind of registration.

(52:25):
But then, furthermore, it was modified to have an interchangeable, like, oh, I'm thinking, maybe I'm thinking of the Ghost, where it's, like, the digital signature could be changed.
Yeah, they could.
To make it look like any ship.
I think I'm thinking of the Ghost.
That's why it's called the Ghost.
Yeah.
But, yeah, basically, the Razor Crest, though, is old enough.
They could mask the transponder.
Yeah, but the Razor Crest, old ship, it's supposed to be old, like, it's supposed to be kind of, like, kind of like the Falcon, where it's not a new ship by the time we see it.

(52:50):
Yeah.
Like, it was brand spanking new, or maybe it was, maybe it was an old design that Lando had just, like, upkept and retrofied and put in a ton of money to make it look that good.
But, like, that's when it was in its peak, and then 20 years later, it looks like a piece of garbage.
Right.
Right, so, like, maybe the Razor Crest is, like, yeah, like, maybe the design is, like, Clone Wars era or before, but.
It does have a bit of a Clone Wars look to it.

(53:11):
Yeah, it does, yeah.
That era, kind of, prequels, kind of sleek look.
Yeah, for sure.
But, yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward to the movie.
I think, like.
There wasn't a lot to get what the plot is.
No, there isn't.
Something to do with the Hutts.
That's kind of all we really get.
Yeah, and also, they did release a, you know, pretty kick-ass poster.

(53:31):
Looks like maybe an Old West kind of movie being marketed here.
Take a look at the poster, if you haven't seen it already.
So, May 22nd, 2026.
Only in theaters.
That's pretty cool.
That's very retro.
Yeah, it is.
And so, he got starring Pedro Pascal as Din Djarin.
That color scheme.
That color scheme.
Makes me think it's Indiana Jones.

(53:52):
Yeah.
You know, and on the front, we have, it looks like two Hutts in the bottom left-hand corner.
He's riding a Clone Wars era bipedal scout.
Yeah, the cloned, like the, yeah, what do you call those things?
I know what you're talking about.
Yeah, the ones that we see hunting the Wookiees.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
And they've made, like, 30 Lego versions of it.

(54:13):
Right.
So, we see Zeb as well on the cover with Grogu.
And the twins.
The twin Hutts.
Yeah, the twins from the Boba.
From Boba Fett.
Boba Fett, yeah.
I wonder if they were to show up in this.
Right.
I was just thinking about that.
And neither of them look to be...
Ripped.
Ripped, right?
So, it's not one of the ones.
Yeah, it's not the one from the trailer.
So, we're going to see, like, three Hutts in this movie.
It seems like it, yeah.

(54:33):
If this trailer is anything to go by.
What is this?
That looks like Mando crouching on the far right there.
Is that Mando?
It does look like him with his, like, his staff, right?
Or maybe it could be somebody else.
Body stance doesn't look like him to me.
Because originally, those disruptors were used by Trandoshans.
It looks like his gun.
Yeah, I mean, it's his gun.

(54:54):
I mean, obviously, it was from the...
Right.
No, like, the armor doesn't look like him.
It's special, but it looks like it's special.
I don't know.
I don't know.
That's a confusing one.
But it looks like he's facing off against some giant creature.
There's a big snake thing on the side.
So, it could be him.
It kind of looks like that six-legged creature from Attack of the Clones.
Right.
In the arena.
Then, up top, we got Razorcrest 2 being pursued by two X-Wings.

(55:21):
Or flying with them, I guess.
Yeah, I was going to say they're flying in formation.
Yeah.
And then, of course, a little AT-ST.
Or AT-AT, sorry.
Or whatever that Rebels version is on the side there.
That font, though.
It looks like Tintin.
It's off there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, okay.
So, some-
Or, like, classic Disney.
Sometimes, Old West posters, like, have that essence about it.

(55:44):
Let me pick up an example here.
Like, Rio, or maybe, like, Rio Grande, or, like, Rio Bravo, or something.
Like, look at this.
Technicolor.
Rio Bravo.
It's got this-
Right.
Very hand-drawn.
Yeah, like a hand-drawn kind of look to it with, you know, uneven text.
Like, this one.
This Rio Bravo poster has, like, the kind of the wavy aspect to it as well.

(56:05):
Mm-hmm.
You know, and then you have, like, the names.
Oh, you think that's what they're going for with the wave?
I think they're going for that.
They're embracing that kind of Old West.
That's what people love with the first season.
Yeah, and again, there it is.
They lost you by the third one.
It's a nod of the head to the first season again, right?
Where the first season was being-
The backpedaling.
Well, I think it's less backpedaling and more just, like, you know, embracing the nostalgia

(56:26):
that people have.
Return to-
What's the saying?
Return to source?
Right.
Because, like, if you look at the season one poster, it's him, like, walking towards
you in the sunset with the Razorcrest in the background, right?
Yeah.
And then, like, the other poster, that was just a character poster.
Actually, sorry, I didn't ignore that.
That's just a-
Yeah, that's just a character poster.
But, like, the teaser poster was, like, you know, very Western.

(56:48):
Sun setting on Tatooine.
That's two suns, you know?
Right, right.
You get the Star Wars two suns look.
You have Star Wars the Mandalorian, you know, in text.
You have the ship back there.
And then, you know, by the time we got to season three, like, if you look at the season
three poster, it's a wicked poster, but it's completely different in the sense that it's
not-
It's not wild.

(57:08):
It's not necessarily the Wild West look anymore.
No, no, it's kind of full sci-fi.
Yeah, it's gone full sci-fi.
You got a green alien atmosphere with him, like, jet rocketing up and, you know, some
big explosion beneath him.
And then the other season three poster was him holding the Darksaber.
Right.
And, like, in space, like, on Mandalore.
That was season three.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.

(57:28):
So, like, it totally, like-
Right, yeah.
Now you're almost going to, like, a Buck Rogers kind of sci-fi.
Yeah, like, and, like, there's nothing wrong with that.
But I'm saying, like, the way that they're marketing this movie, they're really digging
into the nostalgia of the Old West and season one viewers, like, 100%.
To be fair, that is the thing I enjoyed the most about the first season.

(57:50):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And a lot of people did, you know?
And I'm not saying it's, like, I'm not saying it lost its way or anything.
No pun intended.
But there was an undisputable opinion amongst fans that season three was not as good as season
one, you know?
And it's like, okay, well, that's fine.
Like, I mean, hey, like, you know, most people would think, like, you know, episode five is

(58:12):
better than episode six.
Or, you know, it's like everyone's got their opinion.
Sure.
But, I mean, like, there's just no mistaking that season one has this iconic essence about
it.
Yeah.
It felt very unique in that way.
For sure.
Yeah, and I think that's what they're trying to grab and harness in the marketing of this
movie.
I hope it's not just a poster.

(58:32):
I hope that's a legitimate example of the tone of the film.
Do you think they'll bring Boba back in this movie?
Do you think?
Like, Tamora Morrison's kind of been up front with, like, you know, they've forgotten about
me.
Oh, man, it feels so bad.
I feel like one of those toys that gets put back on the shelf.
You know?

(58:53):
Man, it's, man, I feel so, like, I feel like it's kind of done dirty a little bit.
I feel bad for him.
I do, too.
Man, his debut in Mandalorian, when we see him first show up, he's got, like, the samurai
pants on.
So awesome.
That's one of, like, the coolest fight scenes in the entire Mandalorian series.
Right.
And then the tone was just so different in the book of Boba Fett.

(59:16):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's hard to say what happened there.
But, I mean, like, I enjoyed it enough that I would want a season two, because I want the
character.
I want to know what's going to happen now.
Yeah.
And I hope we get to see more of the Boba we saw from Mandalorian.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I totally agree.
And, you know, I would hope maybe that the show does get a darker tone to it, too.

(59:39):
Like.
Yeah.
That'd be cool.
You know, like, bringing in Cad Bane and stuff, like, okay, that was interesting.
But, you know, I personally wasn't a fan of that move, because it totally uncanonized
the lore that had been.
Better.
That was better, which, you know, when he's.
An opinion.
Killed him during the unwritten, unfinished Clone Wars episodes, I guess.
But, or, sorry, I should say written, but non-finished.

(01:00:03):
But, yeah.
I don't need to get too far into it, but I thought that was a better character arc.
Yeah.
But, anyways, it's like, it's just one of those things that, you know, there's things
that I think that could have been different.
But, I think if they had a season two, they would have a chance of doing that, you know.
I guess if you're saying that, because in regards to the Boba showing up, you think there
would be, like, a cameo?
Yeah.

(01:00:23):
I think, like.
Like, get the gang back together, Old West style film.
Yeah, I think, uh, I think, I think it would be cool to have.
Katie Sacco.
Like, yeah, I think it would be cool to have cameos.
I don't, I wouldn't want there to be all these cameos.
Like, how season two all of a sudden became a launch pad for.
Yeah, that's, that really annoyed me.
Yeah.

(01:00:43):
So, like, I wouldn't want that.
But, like, I think one cameo from, like, one crazy character, like Boba or something.
That'd be okay with that.
Like, that'd be cool.
You know, like, or, I mean, we're getting Zeb, but that, I don't really count that as a crazy
character.
Cause, like, most people might not know who he is.
Um, right.
But, but yeah, like, I think, like, you know, Boba showing up.
What do you think crazy would be, like?
I think, like, crazy.

(01:01:04):
Um, well, that wouldn't, you know, he's, he's like a kid.
He's like a kid.
Yeah, he'd be, I don't know how old he'd be, but he might be around.
He would be, like, a young baby or something, right?
I don't know.
I haven't done the math.
Uh, well, he's, like, in his mid-twenties or late, late-twenties in Force Awakens.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah, he'd be, like, yeah, he'd be, like, five or something.
I think, I think it's established that he was.

(01:01:26):
He was born pretty shortly after.
He was, yeah.
Episode six, right?
He was, yeah.
Because he's around when there's that Lando book.
Yeah, well, that's already, like, that's, yeah, that's only a couple years before Force Awakens.
So.
Oh.
I think, I think it, I think it is, like, he was born, like, a year or two after Battle
of Jakku type thing.
One of the books, it refers to him being an infant, though.

(01:01:48):
Yeah, it does.
I, I, I, I don't know.
Um, I'll have to look back again, but, uh, that's probably on Google.
How old is Kylo Ren in Force Awakens?
Is Google smarter than us?
Probably.
It's not a very high bar.
Uh, he's around 29.
So, yeah, he was born, like, same year as Battle of Jakku.
A little bit of an age difference between him and, uh, and Rey.
Um.
She was, what, like, 20?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, because she looked like she was pretty young, and it was, the character

(01:02:09):
seemed like she was both pretty young in Force Awakens.
Right.
I think they're going for that kind of weird, I love you, brother, sister thing that they
wanted in the original trilogy.
I think that's what they were going for.
I'm not going into that.
All right.

(01:02:30):
So, uh, transitioning topics here.
We've got, uh, the return of a, uh, I don't know.
I feel like nobody saw this coming.
It's been a very long time.
Yeah.
Since the original Spaceballs.
So, I'm, I am surprised that Mel Brooks decided, now is the time.
Yeah.
I.
There's so many opportunities.

(01:02:51):
Crazy, right?
And I was actually thinking about the fact that John Candy's past.
So, one of the main characters.
Right.
Isn't even around anymore.
Right.
Because he plays Barf.
Yeah, the big.
The mog.
The Chewbacca version.
Half man, half dog.
Yeah, the Chewbacca.
The Spaceballs Chewbacca, basically.
Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like Nick should be here because, uh, Nick's a big fan of Spaceballs.

(01:03:12):
He's, he's, he loves that movie.
That's so, yeah.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
Um, so, yeah, there was a little write-up online, uh, from, uh, the, from the fellows
at, uh, I think it was at UT&E that wrote this.
So, the year was 1987 and the fandom was still reeling from the death of, uh, the Emperor
and Vader a few short years before in what most of us at the time thought was the last

(01:03:35):
Star Wars film we'd see.
We craved more.
The comedy film legend Mel Brooks did not disappoint.
What was Spaceballs?
Brooks is a master of parodies and in the 1980s, he set out to make a parody of contemporary
sci-fi films.
Though it was also, uh, includes references of Star Trek, Alien, and Planet of the Apes,
uh, and other films.

(01:03:56):
It primarily parodies the original Star Wars trilogy.
George Lucas agreed to parody on the condition that there would be no Spaceballs action figures,
which led to a gag in the film about...
Merchandising!
Merchandising!
Where the real money from the movie is made.
I don't know, Brooks.
Lucas later sent Brooks...

(01:04:17):
Brought to you by yogurt.
That's right.
That's right, yeah.
Brought to you by yogurt.
The, uh, basically their version of Yoda.
Yeah.
Uh, Lucas later sent Brooks a note saying he loved the film.
Though it met with mixed reviews from critics, it became a cult classic and even appeared
in a Star Wars YouTube channel video.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah.

(01:04:37):
Uh, so, uh, there's a little quote saying, I told you we'd be back.
Uh, although Brooks character Yogurt, uh, parodying the, uh, you guessed it, Yoda mentioned Spaceballs
2, the search for more money.
That's right.
There has been little...
The search for more money.
There has been little serious talk about the sequel until now.

(01:04:58):
Uh, in June 2024, Amazon's MGM Studios announced that a Spaceball sequel was in development.
That's awesome.
Back in June 12th of this year, Brooks posted this video clip, uh, which I won't play, uh,
true to form, uh, the video featured a Star Wars style scroll, um, and it was a bunch of
text that you just kind of had to read.

(01:05:19):
Uh, so anyone curious, you know, just look it up.
Brooks, uh, then appeared on screen and says, after 40 years, huh, we asked, what do the
fans want?
But instead, we're making this movie.
May the Schwartz be with you.
That's right.
The Schwartz.
On the same day...
They've gone plaid.
On the same day, Josh Gad, who stars and, uh, is one of the film's writers, uh, he is

(01:05:45):
to the kids out there, the voice of Olaf and Frozen, uh, confirmed the announcement on
his Instagram account.
And he says, it is therefore the greatest gift of my life to now help and take the reins
and work alongside Mel and this incredible group to do a sequel to the movie that first
inspired George Lucas.

(01:06:05):
The latest update is that principal photography began this month in Sydney.
Uh, we're quite sure that the choice of filming location in Australia is a testament to our
own doc's influence, uh, and for anyone who didn't know, the entire prequel trilogy was

(01:06:27):
filmed in Australia.
Uh, familiar faces.
Spaceballs 2 will see several actors return from the original film, including a big surprise.
Uh, Bill Pullman returns as Lone Star, which is a hybrid parody of Han and Luke Skywalker,
uh, and Daphne, uh, Zuniga as Princess Vespa, which is a parody of Princess Leia.

(01:06:48):
Mel Brooks will reprise the role of Yogurt.
Merchandising!
Merchandising!
Where the real money from the movie is made!
Uh, the big news is that Rick Moranis will return as Darth Helmet.
Oh, that's so surprising.
Yeah.
Because he doesn't really act anymore.
Right.
He hasn't retired in a long time.
Yeah.
Uh, the film will mark his return to on-camera acting after taking a long hiatus to focus

(01:07:11):
on his children following his wife's untimely passing.
In addition to these returning actors, Lewis Pullman, uh, Bill Pullman's son, will appear
as Lone Star's son.
Uh, Lewis had previously appeared on, uh, Top Gun Maverick and Thunderbolts.
Uh, so that's kind of cool.
Um, yeah.
Bill Pullman.
Uh, is there any mention of Barf?
Uh, no.

(01:07:32):
There is not, for some reason.
There's an elephant in the room.
I bet they're going to do a gag where they, like, have to bury their dog.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, maybe.
Yeah, that would be, that would be kind of funny.
I feel like maybe it's been long enough since John Candy's death that it would play off well.
Yeah, yeah.
Uh, Lewis Pullman, for anyone who didn't know, is, um, pretty big character in the Marvel

(01:07:53):
Thunderbolts film.
Um, he plays, uh, basically the villain slash sort of anti-hero character in the movie.
I'm pretty excited about it.
I definitely, it definitely makes me want to re-watch the original.
Right, yeah.
I'm a little concerned, uh, just because it's been so long.
I would hope that they stick to the original style of humor.
But, obviously, it's been a long time, so comedy has probably changed.

(01:08:17):
Are you, um...
And comedy's not really been big for a while.
It's kind of been, like, in this weird limbo state, I feel like, for the last, man, probably
decade.
Yeah, it kind of has, yeah.
Are you familiar with, um, the Naked Gun?
I was just gonna ask you, because you went to the Liam Neeson version, right?
Yeah, I went to the Liam Neeson version.
I feel like, and, and here's the thing about, like, regrettably, I went and saw that movie

(01:08:38):
without having ever seen the original three.
But I went with, like, a super fan friend of ours.
Oh, I see.
And, um, yeah, and he thought it was fantastic.
And, uh, after the movie, uh, he revealed that that was his, like, second or third time
watching it already in the theater.
Yeah.
And so, I think, like, he seemed to love it.
Right.
He thought it felt very in line with the series.

(01:09:00):
Okay.
Um, so I feel like as long as it's done right, like, it can definitely play off well.
Like, there was the kind of humor that you'd think wouldn't be made in a movie these days.
It still wasn't afraid to go there.
Right.
So they went there with that intention.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, because Mel Brooks is, he's pretty old now.
What is he, at least the 70s.
I think, I would assume he has the same sense of humor, right?

(01:09:21):
So the question is, how much creative control does he have?
I think, okay, if, well, it's Amazon and it's MGM Studios, Amazon, Amazon's got buckets
of money.
And Spaceballs was done on, like, probably next to no budget, right?
So I feel like if whatever he needed to make Spaceballs a thing, I feel like Amazon would
probably be like, you got it.
Sometimes that's a problem, though.
Oh, for sure.

(01:09:42):
Sometimes it's better to have budget limits than it makes you get more creative.
Sometimes, for sure.
For sure.
I don't disagree.
I just, like, I think with a studio like that, being owned by a corporation like that, being
run by a guy like that, I feel like...
Something like that.
I feel like it's maybe a life goal.
You know, just be like, this is what we need.
We need a Spaceballs movie that has the money behind it to do whatever they want it to do.

(01:10:06):
Full CG.
Yeah.
And, like, I mean, at the same time, though, like, you can have all the money in the world,
but if you don't have the time, it looks like you don't have all the money in the world.
You know, like, sure, if you have, like, a billion dollars, you know, get to go for
this movie, which is absurd.
Like, no movie is made for a billion dollars.
The movies don't make enough money to get that back.

(01:10:27):
No.
But, like, I mean, yeah, like, just for, like, an example.
Comedies make money because they can be cheaply made.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
And, you know, maybe that's maybe that's the case.
Who knows?
But, like, even if even if it is backed by Amazon and, you know, MGM and stuff, I don't
think we should be really too worried about it because, like, you know, yeah, you're right.

(01:10:48):
Like, that's kind of the idea.
But then also, I think, like, if they did want to make this movie in a friendly amount
of time, you know, and they wanted to make it feel like the original, it's like, okay,
we got, like, three days in this soundstage and we got a week to build the set.
Like, let's just do what you can in seven days, get slammed up.
We'll get in there.
We'll do our job.
You know, and then that's that.

(01:11:09):
Maybe, maybe that's.
You're saying they should rush it.
No, I'm just saying, like, maybe not rush it.
But, like, I'm saying, like, I think, like, even if they had all the backing with certain
time constraints, it sometimes can look.
I disagree because the excuse now that will be then just do it in post.
And I feel like they should.
Yeah.
I feel like they should try to make it as close to the same way as, I mean, the original film,

(01:11:31):
in my opinion.
Because I feel like the more you lean towards modern tech, you're going to lose a lot of
that original vibe.
So what you're saying is, like.
It should.
I want cheap sets is what I'm saying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You want cheap sets.
Yeah.
Well, that's what I mean.
Like, the only way I could think of, like, that being pulled off these days.
And I deal you with miniatures, but I can't imagine them doing that.
Yeah.
Who knows?
It might be.
Like, I think.

(01:11:52):
So what, like, what you're hoping for is, like, you want this movie to, like, not feel
polished at all.
I would love if it felt like it was made, like, a week after the first movie.
Right.
Obviously with aged characters, but.
Maybe they'll do that, though.
Like, I mean, like, maybe they will have learned from the successes and failures over the
years.
Zoolander 2.
Yeah.
I'm thinking of, like, like, I don't know.

(01:12:12):
It's not a comedy, but, like, Willow, you know?
Like, the show has no visual continuity with the original movie.
It's so different.
Yeah.
It's so different, right?
And it's like, it almost doesn't make it, it almost doesn't feel like the same world.
I'm going to be honest, it felt a little bit similar with The Hobbit.
Right.
Because it was so, you know, polished and.

(01:12:33):
Yeah.
You know.
Compared to the original.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And.
Trilogy, yeah.
You know, and that can happen, right?
Like, like, when you have a movie being made today and in modern cameras that all shoot
4K and, you know, it's like, it's easy to get that, it's almost too easy to get that
look.
Yeah.
You know, if you have a good cinematographer, they can do anything.
They can make it look like it was filmed in 1980.

(01:12:55):
You stick a 1980s lens on a modern camera.
Yeah, that helps a lot.
Done.
Not done.
But, like, you're halfway there.
A lot of, a lot of it is also just the, it is the set work, to be honest with you.
I think that makes a huge difference.
Yeah.
Because things are cheaper back then.
And, like, the props and the costumes, too.
Like, dark, dark, was it Darth Helmet?
And it's actually Dark Helmet.
Dark Helmet, yeah.
Yeah.

(01:13:15):
So, they typoed it as Darth, but, but yeah, like, you know, Dark Helmet's helmet was like
this crappy piece of plastic, right?
Right.
You know.
It was a ginormous bucket version of Darth Vader.
Yeah, yeah.
And, like.
What's that, what's that animated show that never got released?
Didn't they have a Darth Vader that kind of looked like Dark, Dark Helmet?
Oh, yeah.

(01:13:36):
Detours.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The animated series.
Yeah, the one that will never see the light of day, unfortunately.
Yeah.
Yeah, they did kind of have a, yeah, Dark Helmet kind of essence about it.
But, yeah, I mean, like, I don't know.
It should be interesting to see how this plays up.
And I wonder if, you know, Nick will be first in line to get his ticket at the theater.
I do wonder if it'll probably.
He's the only guy in line.

(01:13:56):
Yeah.
And I wonder if it'll even debut in the theater or if it'll just be, like.
That's what I was wondering.
Like, straight to prime or something.
Yeah.
I do hope they give it a chance.
Like, I hope, like, Nick is, like, you know, maybe a three, four week window in the theater.
Like, I feel like they'd probably be surprised as to how many people might actually go.
Maybe.
Depends how it's advertised.
Yeah, I don't know.
Because the thing is, I feel like advertising to the right audience these days is pretty tough.

(01:14:19):
Yeah.
Because not like everyone's just watching cable television.
Right.
And the people who would go to this are probably the ones that still watch cable television.
And then, I'd say, like, people, like, at the youngest are the 30s.
Yeah, the very youngest.
But the main audience is, like, 40 and older.
Yeah, for sure.
Because it was, like, late 80s when it came out.
Yeah.
Like, I watched it just on a rerun on television.

(01:14:39):
Yeah.
I don't tell anybody this, but I think I have it on VHS.
Yeah, I mean, well, like, a lot of movies that came out in the 80s were, you know, were still things that we, at least for us, like, still grew up with.
Because it wasn't that old, like, when we were young kids, right?
That kind of stuff.
It's like, it's like the prequels.
It would have been, like, 15 years old, probably, when I watched it.
Yeah, so that's not even that old.

(01:15:00):
Like, that's like.
It was old at the time.
That's like, that's like Tron Legacy for kids right now.
That's the second Tron movie that came out.
That doesn't even feel like that long ago, though.
No, time is different when you're in primary school.
Or time is different when you're younger, too.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Slower.
It takes forever to get to the school day.
Yeah.
But, yeah, I do look, I look back at things like that, too.

(01:15:21):
Like, where it's just like, oh, man, like, that felt like it was such an old thing when, like, when I was that age.
But then, like.
It also had a dated style compared to current.
Like, it was slower pace.
Yeah, for sure.
Like, things advanced much faster in those 15 years than it has in, say, like, the last 15 years.
But.
It's been pretty.
Other than render quality with digital stuff, it's been the same.

(01:15:41):
Yeah, and same kind of pacing and audience expectations.
Because it can't go any faster.
Right, right.
But, yeah, I mean, you know, it's weird to think, like, yeah, the MCU is just as old.
Yeah.
Like, the first Iron Man movie.
That's actually pretty crazy.
Is just as old as, like, Spaceballs was to us when we were, like, young enough to, or old enough to watch it.

(01:16:02):
Like, that's crazy.
Because what was Spaceballs?
Was it, like, 1988 or something?
Somewhere around there.
I think it said 89?
1987.
87.
Yeah.
Other way.
So, 15 years later, like, 2002, that was, like, the year that Attack of the Clones came out.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
So, yeah.
And then, like, Iron Man, that was, like, 2008, right?
Yeah, it's totally around there.
Yeah, 2008.

(01:16:22):
Yeah.
So, 2018 was 10 years.
2023.
So, it's actually been more time now since the Iron Man movie.
That's crazy.
But because Iron Man still holds up to, like, modern films.
Yeah, it does.
Right.
We're still in the same era of visual effects in movies right now.
Mm-hmm.
And that's probably the main reason.
It is.
I think it is, yeah.
And that's probably why it seemed older when we were young kids.

(01:16:44):
Also, it was cheaply made because it was a comedy movie, so.
Yeah, so it made it look even older.
Yeah, exactly.
Something from the early 70s.
Yeah, yeah.
But it is weird, you know, like, when you think back and you just look at, like, how different
time just goes by so much different now than it used to.
I think it's just because you have a day job, you're not in school anymore.

(01:17:08):
I think it's just the world is slowing down a little bit.
I mean, technology is definitely.
The world is speeding up.
I guess.
You don't have downtime anymore.
As soon as you, you never get bored because you pull your phone out.
I mean, I don't, but I see your point.
But, like, I mean, it's one of those things that, I guess, now nothing ever seems to change.

(01:17:29):
Except for this massive AI thing.
Yeah, but it's, like, one, it's one thing and we're on the verge of maybe that changing
everything else.
Yeah.
But for now and for the last few years, it has been incredibly consistent.
No, that's fair.
Basically, since, like, the iPhone.
Yeah.
Like, I mean, we're still in this era of, essentially, we're still in the same era of the smartphone.

(01:17:51):
We're still in the same era of technology and computing.
Nothing's really changed.
Nothing is, no, nothing is, like, radically different.
You know, I think, like, there is some crazy differences, but I feel like this era has definitely
been fairly consistent.
You know, especially over the last 10 years.
Oh, that's true.
Yeah.
Really, it changed a lot from starting with, like, the home computer to the iPhone and

(01:18:15):
then it kind of stagnated.
Right.
Yeah.
So, it does make you wonder, you know, looking forward.
Like, what is, like, because, like, Star Wars has always been, like, adjacent to the evolution
of technology in terms of, like, how we're able to, like, advance this art form using the
technology of the time.
And that was something that George used Star Wars for was his experimental push with technology

(01:18:37):
in cinema.
There's no X-Labs is for?
And, yeah, I mean, that's definitely done in this.
It was made in the spirit of that, I guess.
But it makes me wonder, like, what will the future of cinema be like?
What will Star Wars be?
Will Star Wars be on the verge of the next big thing when the time comes, you know?
And I feel like it's something still related to Star Wars, still related to this world,

(01:19:00):
because I recently watched the meta conference that they had.
They had a big, like, update on their products and this and that.
They were talking about the meta glasses, you know, coming out with, like, Ray-Bans or something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So one of the more interesting parts of that whole thing was they brought James Cameron

(01:19:22):
out onto stage and they did, like, a little chat with him about Avatar.
Isn't he busy directing Avatar?
Yeah, he managed to take a little breather to come out and join men on stage.
Make a couple million dollars for 20 minutes.
Right.
For those who don't know James Cameron and who he is, he is, I think, in my mind, the
only other person similar to George Lucas in the way that he is with how he conducts

(01:19:47):
his movies, where he is also always trying to push technology forward in cinema.
He's always trying to look for something that hasn't been achieved yet and gives himself
a goal with that.
And usually it ends up taking place around doing a movie, right?
Like, obviously, Titanic was huge when it came out at the time.
That was a really early CG, wasn't it?
Yeah.
And he also co-founded the visual effects company Digital Domain.

(01:20:11):
And, you know...
With Michael Bay?
No, it was with Scott Ross and somebody else.
Scott Ross was an ex-Lucasfilm employee.
But, you know, the advancement of digital cinema, visual effects, and using digital cinema in
theaters between the prequels and the first Avatar movie, which pushed 3D forward and Blu-ray

(01:20:32):
and digital cinema in the theater.
Because a lot of theaters still didn't fully bend over backwards for Star Wars Episode 2
and 3.
Yeah.
But then whichever holdouts they still had, they did it for Avatar.
Right.
And that was kind of the final, you know, transition was Avatar.
And James Cameron acknowledged George Lucas in his chat about this whole thing.

(01:20:53):
And his talking point was really, like, the future consumption of media.
Like, what does that look like?
And how does VR actually, like, play a role in that?
And what he was saying was the displays on the current MetaQuest 3 that he used to view
Avatar, his movie that he made, was better than the experience that he could get in most

(01:21:17):
theaters.
And the reason for that was the screens on the inside had better lighting principles as
well as color accuracy, better brightness, better clarity.
And, like, there's multiple reasons why, like...
I think the resolution wouldn't be higher.
The resolution is very high, like, on the MetaQuest 3.
I mean, but that's the thing.

(01:21:37):
Like, that's a technology which, if pushed forward, could be, like, revolutionary.
It could be.
Because...
I think it's better for gaming than, like, film, though.
It's great for...
It's fantastic for gaming.
And it's kind of built for that.
But, like, I think his point was, like, it's not just going to be gaming.
How you watch a movie right now...
Yeah.
...on a TV across the room with a fixed resolution on the screen.

(01:22:02):
Imagine if that resolution could be as high as, like, 8K and in the size of a giant movie
theater.
But you're still on the couch and all you're doing is wearing some glasses or some goggles.
Right.
That's the idea, right?
It's still a two-dimensional sort of pain.
So you wouldn't want to...
But the advantages...
Have the extended screen basically go around you?

(01:22:23):
No.
No.
I don't think that's...
Full immersion?
No, that's not his idea of a movie in...
Like, a VR movie is not his...
Wasn't his message.
Like, what he was talking about was a movie presented in this hardware, in this format.
And then also, because it's a VR headset, it does 3D perfectly.
Like, beyond what any kind of current 3D glasses method that you can get.

(01:22:46):
Right.
Like, it's true 3D because it does all the work for you.
You know, using the eyes and, you know, no more crappy glasses, right?
So imagine going to a movie theater where instead of, you know, you sit in the same seat and stuff,
but instead of a giant projector projecting onto a screen, maybe, like, maybe everyone does have, like, a pull-down thing that isn't, like...
At that point, why do they even need theaters?

(01:23:08):
Yeah.
I mean, it's crazy because, like, if you think about, like, where technology was in 95...
You can go somewhere and put some greasy helmet on that 30 people before you wore that day?
Yeah.
Well, and, like, look at technology in 2008 compared to 1998, you know?
Like, maybe 10 years from now, VR headsets aren't going to look, like, this bulky and big and fat.
And movies aren't going to suck, like, because they're getting a ring around your eyes because of the pressure from the band on the back here.

(01:23:33):
Like, maybe it could be so good that, like, you hardly notice this thing on your face anymore,
similar to how I don't notice this giant phone in my pocket anymore.
Like, you know, you're going to be so used to it, you're going to be...
This is going to be the experience, right?
And it's going to be a better experience than watching that boring old 80-inch TV at home, which is crazy to say.
But, like, maybe that's what it'll be.
And I think that's what he's thinking when he comes out and does this little chat because it's like,

(01:23:56):
I just had the craziest feeling when I watched my movie in this piece of hardware and it was better than most of the experiences I've had, you know?
And it's like, that really tells you something as a filmmaker and as an artist.
You know, he's looking at this as the next thing to consume his own media.
So, like, I think he's going to be the guy to also take that format and, like, do some pushing to, like, get it out there for consumers, you know?

(01:24:20):
Like, this is the guy that brought 3D to your living room.
Is he the one that pushed that?
Yeah.
For, like, at home?
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
Like, he's the guy that made 3D.
Not the...
Like, and it's not exactly a successful product anymore.
Like, people have moved on from 3D to 4K.
But it was a big thing and it stuck around in the movie theater culture.
Like, you can go to movie theaters.
It did for a long time, yeah.
I remember the decade of migraines.

(01:24:43):
It's still a thing.
It's still...
You go to the theater, there's a 3D price tag and a 3D ticket.
And everyone flocks to the other one.
Yeah.
I mean, some are better than others.
Obviously, the animated films do a lot better in 3D.
But, yeah, I mean, it's still a...
It's a thing that has, like, lasted this entire time.
Part of that, I think, is that theaters make more money off of it.
But, yeah.

(01:25:03):
Yeah, for sure.
But, anyways.
Interesting stuff.
I think that's everything that we got for today.
Is there anything you want to bring up before we wrap it up here?
Is there a release date for Mandalorian and Grogu?
Yeah, it was May 22nd, 2026.
May 22nd.
That is less than a year away.
Oh, that's crazy.

(01:25:23):
May 22nd, 2026 countdown is 238 days from right now of recording.
By the time this episode drops, it'll be less.
Perhaps less.
Perhaps more.
Perhaps more.
What kind of time machine do you have in your living room?

(01:25:46):
Maybe time will slow down.
Yeah.
Maybe it'll be a leaf here.
We're going to soon start reading the Bad Batch Sanctuary novel.
And before the year is up, we'll do a book review on that.
Hopefully, we can get Molly back.
And, you know, she's read it a number of times, is what I was seeing.
So, Molly, if you're listening, invites out there.

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Thank you once again, sir, for joining us on this crazy ride
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Yeah, it's always a pleasure.
We'll see you out there.
Keep flying.
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