November 3, 2025 • 38 mins
Bright Suns! In this episode, we dive deep into the financials of the Disney-era films, discussing the Forbes report on the box office profits for The Force Awakens, Rogue One, The Last Jedi, Solo, and The Rise of Skywalker. Prepare for some surprising numbers and a classic tangent comparing those returns to the Prequel-era movies!
We're also talking about the internet buzz surrounding the shelved Ben Solo movie, The Hunt for Ben Solo. Add that to the list of RIP Star Wars... Hear our take on Adam Driver's recent comments, why Disney turned down the script, and the eternal question: should dead characters stay dead?
Plus, we catch you up about Twin Sun Film Foundation (the minds behind the Bucket Heads fan series) to discuss their new platform, twinsunfilm.org, and their exciting slate of upcoming fan films for the next few years, including The Void, Gonk, and Nightfall! Finally, get all the details on how YOU can get involved in our huge 400th episode: a Star Wars Fantasy Draft Game Show Night! Darian, our gamemaker and co-host for Episode #400 explains the rules, the character categories (Pilot, Force User, Droid and Alien), the ultimate objective (breaking into Palpatine's Vault on Pillio), and how your votes can decide the winning team! Thanks for coming along for the ride. Leave us a comment or a 5-star review, it always helps. Subscribe on YouTube, and we'll see you for Episode 400!---
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Time to abandon ship!
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Oh no!
Here we go!
Can I persuade you to join us for a drink?
It's a tradition.
Here, here.
Jar Jar, homie, my main man, quickly.
Before the separatists attack, get into the escape pod.
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Hey!
This is escape!
Then we're the pod!
This is the pod!
Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod.
I'm your host, Josh, and we have a few fun topics this week,
including preparation for episode 400,
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where we are playing a very fun game show night,
and box office results come back from Forbes
as to how well the Disney Star Wars movies did.
We also have a bit of an article about a Ben Solo movie
that got turned down by Disney.
The internet's been abuzz about it,
so we're gonna chat a little bit about that, too.
This one's a short one tonight,
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but thanks again for coming for the ride,
we're on the eve of episode 400, with this being episode 399,
so let's get into it.
Let's get into it.
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Another happy landing.
All right, welcome back.
Welcome back, Darian.
Hello there.
Hello there, Sakuigar.
All right, and welcome back, Blake.
Hello there.
Hello there.
Chut-chut.
Chut-chut.
All right, so here we are on the eve of episode 400.
(02:04):
Pretty exciting.
399!
Heck yeah.
But, you know, a big thank you to our audience, as always,
because, you know, episode 400 coming up wouldn't...
I mean, maybe we still would have 400 episodes without an audience.
Maybe we'd still be doing this.
Would we still be doing this?
I think so.
Probably.
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Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like one of the nice things...
We just might not record it.
Yeah.
We'd still hang out and do the same thing.
Yeah, I feel like...
Yeah.
I mean, you know, there's that...
There's that little tidbit, that piece of audio played on another podcast somewhere.
I've seen Star Wars 500 times.
500 times!
And I feel like...
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How is that not on our soundboard?
I don't know.
I need to find the original source for that.
But, yeah, like one of the other things is we've probably talked about Star Wars over
500 times.
Easily.
Easily.
399 times.
Like we're talking...
I'm talking lengthy conversations.
399 times.
I know for sure we've had 400 now on the podcast almost, but at the same time, like, I mean,
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outside of the recordings, I feel like I've definitely had an excess of 100 in my lifetime,
you know, that have probably taken place over the course of an hour and a half or something.
Oh, yeah.
Definitely every time I come out and hang with you guys, it's like, man, I should just bring
my H8 and record us because this is a podcast right here in the parking lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just record every conversation we have.
Josh used to bug me about that all the time before we started the podcast.
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Yeah.
Yeah, I did.
Yeah.
And part of the reason why we started, you know, I guess the idea was...
Maybe this is something we should have done in the episode 400, but we really didn't have
more than an hour and a half.
So maybe we can do this tonight.
But yeah, I guess the conception of the podcast was back in 2015.
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Back...
Yeah.
It took us like five years to get rolling.
Uh, yeah.
Uh, it was, it was, it was a while ago and I actually made the account for the show.
Right.
I remember we were pitching ideas just out of fun.
Yeah.
Dude, it's free.
Yeah.
Nobody has that name.
No.
Yeah.
I made the email, I made the name and it's slightly modified since then because originally
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it was just called The Escape Pod.
And then eventually another podcast came out called The Escape Pod and...
They stole our idea.
I think it was also a Star Wars podcast.
And I was like, oh, dang.
Like, even though, even though we've got the name and the email and the host registered
account on Podbean, this and that, uh, there is still another recognized show called The
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Escape Pod.
And, and I just thought to myself, okay, well maybe we'll just be more specific with like
how we call this show.
And, you know, people can recognize the fact that it's a Star Wars podcast.
And so Star Wars Escape Pod was born and, uh, you know, yeah, the rest is history.
Uh, I think it was last year on, or this past year on Star Wars podcast day, we, we may
have talked about this already that we did like a overview of maybe the origins of the
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show.
I think that may have been the last year's that we did like a, a self questionnaire,
like a self, a self interview.
You know, it'd be fun to do when on podcast day again, see if we can get them to be on
our podcast and us to be on theirs.
Yeah.
The, the, the escape pods, uh, cross, uh, cross guest.
Yeah.
That'd be a, I'll, I'll reach out.
I'll reach out.
That's a good idea.
I'll reach out to them.
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I've been trying to get Marco for years to go on the bucket heads podcast.
And he's just like, no, I don't know.
I don't have time.
And there's a bucket heads podcast.
Yeah.
And it's in German.
It's like, it couldn't be more perfect.
What?
There's a, okay, hold on a second.
And it's, and it's not, and it's not named after the fan series.
For the fan series.
No, no.
It's, it's existed longer.
Apparently.
Is it around star Wars regarding the term bucket hands?
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Yeah.
Yeah.
And they use like a, a, a stormtrooper helmet with a bucket coming out of the top.
Oh yeah.
For those that don't know, Marco is from Germany.
He, his first language is German.
Oh, that's perfect then.
Yeah, exactly.
Like the dude is fluent in it.
And, and what a better way.
How did he knock on their podcasts?
Right?
Yeah.
How has that not happened yet?
He's got it.
He's got it.
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Yeah.
If I spoke more German, I'd just start like pitching to them.
You should have this guy on like, it's perfect, but.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, uh, yeah.
I mean, it looks like bucket heads.
They're into their 122nd episode now.
So, you know, congrats, congrats to them.
They, you know, the cracked a hundred episodes.
So they've been around a little bit.
Well, there's also two different bucket heads.
Uh, one is a podcast and one is just a channel on YouTube as well.
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Okay.
Completely separate from the bucket heads podcast.
You should do a bucket heads union and get them all together.
It depends on how good the English and the German guys are.
Half will be English.
Half will be German.
Half will be German.
Yeah.
Bucket heads.
The chaos.
Well, I found a, I found a, oh yeah, that's right.
So I found a YouTube channel as well.
Also just called the bucket heads and, uh, you can find them with the handle bucket head,
uh, bucket heads, GG, I guess.
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And they're a tabletop nerds with a game show and community based out of Dallas, Texas.
So that's, that's their description there.
Um, so yeah, that's cool.
A couple of bucket heads, a couple of skate pods, you know, you should get the trooper
guys on there too.
Do you remember the trooper video back in the day?
Yeah.
I remember that when it was like VHS quality and you had to wait an hour to watch a 30
second video.
Mail order.
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Yeah.
Basically.
It comes on a floppy disk.
Well, while we're actually talking about bucket heads, um, twin sun film foundation,
was it, uh, now operates, uh, outside of patron on a, on their own website with their own
platform.
Now I forget the details of that.
I know, I know I'm a subscriber on there, but, uh, would you be able to share a little
bit about that website?
Do you know a little bit about that?
Yeah.
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They're no longer doing bucket heads.
We just decided that the fact that three and a half years went by for, we had filmed
the first episode entirely, but doing nine episodes, they're going to be in wheelchairs
by the end of it.
Yeah.
Just the feasibility of what I would watch that.
So would I, and I did a cartoon like Yoda in the first section.
I did a cartoon making fun of that.
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And they're like, Oh, can you imagine?
And that stopped being a joke.
So, Oh, I found it.
I found it.
Okay.
So it's twin sun film.org.
So that's the website.
If I can remember, I will put it in the description.
I just keep forgetting to talk about the fact that they've launched this new platform
and, uh, there's a couple of different tiers that people can subscribe with, but on there
it does showcase their future projects.
(08:21):
Uh, it looks like, so one of them is called the void coming in 2025.
I believe that has been filmed.
Okay.
I was not a part of it.
So I don't.
After crashing on an asteroid, a TIE pilot races to fix his ship while fighting off demons
from both his hostile world and within.
Sounds pretty intense.
Uh, there's also a short called Gonk coming in 2026.
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Uh, Gonk is a heartwarming story between a loyal droid and his aging companion.
Uh, oath sworn, oath sworn, sorry.
Uh, currently in script revisions and location scouting.
A storm trooper tells a story about how a single death trooper defied an entire legion
of rebel insurgents coming in 2027.
And the last two is, uh, what is this?
Tithe.
And a farmer and his family try to defend their homestead from raiders on the agricultural
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planet Tanab and Nightfall coming in.
Oh, sorry.
Tithe.
Uh, there's no release date.
Nightfall comes in 2028, uh, slated to begin pre-production in 2028.
Nightfall follows a squad of storm troopers on a nighttime rescue mission on the forest
moon of Endor.
So, uh, you know, definitely go and check out twin sun film.org.
Cause they got some, uh, if you love star Wars fan films, you know, they got a big slate
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and if you want those to happen, you know, you got to subscribe and, uh, chip in.
Is this all for the bucket heads crew?
We just decided that it would be better to go on to other projects.
And we always had plans of doing a bunch of these projects.
Like I submitted a pitch to the void one when they were on their second script and everybody
laughed at mine, but they're like, that's, we don't want to make them all ridiculously
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humorous and like dark and whatnot.
My, I had a very, very dark pitch, but everybody enjoyed it.
They're just like, we don't know if we can put that on the internet, Darian.
So maybe on the dark web.
Yeah.
But hearing the new pitch for that, or at least what they've put online, it sounds like it's
been revised quite heavily since what I last read.
And then gonk.
But I last read on that was wildly different from what you just read.
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So I know that I'm going to be working on the props and costumes team for that.
But I really hope you get to make the gonk droid.
I won't that I believe it's already made.
I I'm not involved in that part.
Do you know if it's a costume or is it like mechanical?
It is.
It is a costume.
Yeah.
They're looking for the right person, I believe still.
So by that you mean stature?
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Yes.
Okay.
So if you are a smaller stature person and you would like to apply, I'm sure they would
love to hear from you.
They're probably going to murder that.
But what about like preteens?
I don't know for sure what they're looking for.
Apply and find out.
And I only want to poke the bear so much.
Yeah.
So, yeah, just if you're interested in helping them out in some way, whether you're tall or
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short, maybe just contact their team through their website because there is a contact information
on the website.
Perfect.
Twinsunfilm.org.
All right.
Thanks, guys.
Link in the description.
Yeah.
Link in the description.
I'm trying to remember it.
Okay.
So something was made aware of something was made aware to me recently.
We don't need to linger on it too long, but a Forbes released an article about the real
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profits from the Disney era of Star Wars films.
Now, if just to catch everyone up, there is five of them.
There is the three sequels, Rogue One and Solo, a Star Wars story.
So we're not talking about the shows.
This is specifically box office profits.
Uh, this is what is left after the movie is paid back, obviously from, you know, it
takes so much money to make a movie.
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Uh, so this is after the gross gross profits.
Yeah.
The gross profits.
Yeah.
Not net, which, you know, you got a mark, a massive marketing budget in there.
Force Awakens marketing budget.
I don't even know how horrendous that was, but it was probably pretty, pretty high.
Right.
Yeah.
I'm curious to see that with inflation compared to Phantom Menace.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, so we'll, we'll, we'll do this in release order.
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Uh, just so you can see the curve, I guess.
Force Awakens clocking in at $500.2 million profit.
Profit.
Profit.
Gross profit.
Gross profit.
Not bad.
You know, not bad at all.
I mean, it cracked, it cracked a billion.
I was going to say it was over a billion.
Yeah, it was.
I remember that was, that was big news back when it came out.
It was.
Yeah.
It was one of the early ones.
And then like the next, like just like three that year or something.
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Yeah.
I think there was maybe one Marvel movie and.
And I think Jurassic world or something.
Oh, okay.
I didn't realize that.
Yeah.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is one of the few movies to have ever cracked a billion because there is very few
in that club.
Man.
I'm still waiting for Titanic too.
I love that interview of James Cameron just being like, I'm James Cameron.
Watch my movie.
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Drop the headphones.
Cause they are asking about Titanic.
Nope.
I think, uh, you know, I will be just on a side note here.
Like I will be very surprised if Avatar three fire and ash does crack the record again,
because I feel like.
What was the last one?
Water.
Oh man.
I meant numbers.
Yeah.
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Here.
Let me, let me pull that up.
I know both of them have cracked a billion.
Avatar three.
Thunderdome.
The tricky thing is.
I'd watch that actually.
It would be pretty cool.
The tricky thing is, um, I, uh, I know that the first one has been re-released like once
or twice.
So that one, it was like a decade between the first one and the second one.
So, so far between the two movies, they've grossed $5.2 billion.
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Crazy.
Between the two movies.
Was most of that the first one though?
Probably.
Um, it says Avatar 2009 earned over 2.9 billion worldwide.
Um, way of water grossed over 2.3 billion worldwide.
It's still pretty impressive for that big of a gap and then having that sort of box office
return.
Yeah.
It goes to show you can have giant gaps and still make a good product.
(13:54):
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
I think like also the, what served the way of water really well was having that massive
gap in between the movies and you know, same with, same with force awakens because
you know, like 2005 to 2015, that's 10 year gap.
Avatar was like 2008 or something.
Way of water came out more than 10 years later.
And so I feel like they had that avatar hype going for it and people may have seen it multiple
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times, you know, kind of like Star Wars.
Like, I don't know how many times you guys saw it.
I think I went like three or four times.
Oh, that's true.
Yeah.
So that helps.
Um, and so I, I don't know.
I mean, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a bit nervous for fire and ash, you know, quite frankly,
but, uh, this isn't an avatar podcast.
So, you know, we can move on, but 500 and $2.2 million for force awakens kind of crazy,
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but also a crazy budget for the movie and marketing.
And I take, took away a lot of profit.
I think marketing maybe, I don't know, maybe did a disservice.
Cause I remember when that came out and people were like, well, I guess Disney made basically
all their money back from the sale.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Because like force awakens was a lot of word of mouth.
Like people were talking about it all over the place.
I mean, I don't even know if it needed a word of mouth, man.
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It was like a big Star Wars movie after a decade.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
Like, like that in itself was like a huge lift for marketing this movie.
I remember an article about talking about like grandmothers are like going to see the force awakens.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everyone, everyone.
It became like a cultural thing.
A lot of people.
That was their first Star Wars movie.
It was force awakens, you know?
Um, and we had rogue one profit is $258.4 million.
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So it made a billion, didn't it?
Box office.
Yeah.
But they refilms like 70% of them.
Yeah.
That that's got to eat into some stuff.
And it was a, that was even a bigger issue with solo, but cause it was Gareth Edwards,
right?
Yep.
And Tony Gilroy and Gilroy.
But I thought he just did like a few pickup shots.
Is that not what you heard?
For, for rogue one?
Rogue one.
No, no, no.
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They, there was quite the scuttlebutt about it being like 70% re-shot.
So, so, and, and I noticed quite a difference in certain scenes.
It says Gilroy mostly reworked the third act.
Okay.
Uh, so it's a good percentage of the movie.
Uh, you know, reshoots happen kind of in every movie, you know, and pick up shots and
this and that.
But, uh, but yeah, I think Tony Gilroy was, I think he, I believe he was on from the beginning
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as like a producer or something.
And then I think he stepped in, stepped in more so towards the end.
He's the director that did the original born trilogy.
Yeah.
Well, and he's the guy who helmed and he was the showrunner for Andrew.
He was the showrunner for Andor.
So, you know, he screen worked that entire production and that's kind of his masterpiece.
But, uh, but yeah, Tony Gilroy, you'll find a lot of articles online saying, you know,
how Tony Gilroy fixed rogue one.
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And it's like, man, I mean, just to, just to throw it out there, like, like Gareth Edwards
is an amazing director.
Like, you know, did a great job, like nothing wrong with Gareth Edwards.
Um, it was just, I think they just, it was a team effort, right?
And again, Tony was kind of there to do a lot of lifting towards the end.
Well, and Tony Gilroy even said that the other director was present for a lot of what he
refilmed.
Yeah, he was.
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Like in the hallway scene and everything.
Like he, he definitely has fingerprints and everything.
Totally.
But Alan Tudyk, the actor who played K2SO, talked in a couple of interviews about how he
actually was also playing a TIE fighter pilot.
And that character was completely deleted from the film.
So it tends to make me want to believe that more of it was refilmed.
Cause that's pretty big.
If your main antagonist is taken out of the film.
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Is that what it was supposed to be?
He was playing like a main antagonist.
I haven't seen that interview.
So I'm actually curious.
I think it was on the Nerdist if I remember right.
It was a long time ago.
This was right when it came out that he did that interview.
So a decade ago.
Yeah.
And it was like, it just didn't make sense to have that in there.
So it's a shame.
Was that the TIE fighter from the, the infamous trailer?
I think so.
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He never directly addressed it, but that's what I'm assuming too.
Okay.
Because like, if you watch the original commercial, it seems like she's a one woman wrecking crew
and everybody else is there just to kind of facilitate her journey.
Whereas there's like, there's a crew of comedy relief and then Jenner.
So yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
And then the movie we actually got was like 60% Jenner or so and 40% Cassie Nandor with peripheral.
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Right.
Or at least I feel it was that way.
And then Bodhi Rook.
Is that his name?
Bodhi Rook.
Who's that?
No, who's the pilot?
I'm blanking on that.
Yeah, Paul Bodhi Rook.
Yeah.
So he'd be like negative attention.
Cargo pilot.
Oh dude, that guy did such a great job.
And I love his acting in so many things.
I made the usefulness for the job itself.
Oh yeah.
He was definitely like the kicked around MacGuffin of that movie.
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Yeah, yeah.
That poor guy.
So we take a step down, you know, to $258 million.
This is a big, pretty big hit, but it's also not a main episode.
So it's like, okay, maybe they're accepting it.
It's like, it's not bad, right?
It's pretty good return.
Last Jedi rolls around.
That makes $324 million.
Yeah.
Critically received well.
Obviously we remember what the fan response was like.
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You know, did, did really well for, for what it was.
I mean, it wasn't Force Awakens definitely has that lift because of the, you know, the
hype.
Right.
But now, now we're too, and there's the third Star Wars movie in now.
And it's like, okay, you know, $324 million.
It's not bad.
What is the, with inflation drop between Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones?
I want to compare this.
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I'm curious.
The inflation drop.
So you just going after Attack of the Clones because I said it was my favorite.
I'm all for you, man.
I'm just curious because it was a similar situation.
Yeah.
No, don't get me wrong.
I know that the Attack of the Clones has the biggest problems and everything, but I
still love parts of that movie more than anything else in the Star Wars franchise.
(19:24):
Minus the green screen glow and some shots, the last like 35 minutes are awesome.
Okay.
I found it.
Um, so I don't know if this is adjusted for inflation or not, but it says gross to date.
So I imagine maybe.
I would think that.
Well, I know that probably means with like DVD sales and stuff.
Now, does this include toys and merchandise?
Because.
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No, no.
This is.
This is gross to date.
So it would not include DVD sales.
Um, this is probably means re-release though.
So it's like every time it's been in the theaters is included.
Just the original run.
Possibly.
I'm going to say yes, because that's how I would interpret that.
Um, so maybe look up original Phantom Menace box office and then look up.
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Because Attack of the Clones wasn't re-released, was it?
Yeah.
No.
The 3D thing before they, for the Disney sale.
Yeah.
So they only got the one out.
They went to Attack of the, uh, Revenge of the Sith last year, right?
Yeah.
Because they did the anniversary of that, but not Attack of the Clones.
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
And they had Phantom Menace a few years before.
Yeah.
Phantom Menace has come out the most.
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Yeah.
So Attack of the Clones can't hold up on box office.
That's why I just want to see the original numbers.
I'm just.
Maybe this is becoming too big of a tangent, but I'm curious just to the drop off of Phantom
Menace to Clone Wars from the original theatrical release and compare it to the sequels.
Okay.
I'm just going to give you the numbers that I found because I've, I've no idea where
the bad other information is, but, and again, I don't even know if maybe this Forbes article
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is just talking about domestic or not, but, um, but box office Mojo says that the gross
to date for Phantom Menace $431 million.
Uh, Attack of the Clones $302.
As close as I would have thought.
Revenge of the Sith $380.
Yeah.
I thought it would be a little bit more disparaging, but I mean, people went and hate watched Phantom
Menace.
I did not hear that for Attack of the Clones.
(21:12):
Right.
Well, that, that would make the gap bigger.
Wouldn't it?
Yeah.
You'd, you'd think that was part of why I was actually expecting more.
It's also this hype of Star Wars is back.
It's like what Force Awakens had.
Star Wars is back.
People are going to see this movie.
That's why I was wondering.
Same thing.
Right.
After this big gap.
Yeah.
Star Wars material.
You're going to have quite the loss compared to a new hope.
(21:33):
Uh, I, I heard that when it came out, a lot of people didn't like it because it was such
a, Oh yeah.
Divergence from the original themes of first Star Wars.
Dude.
You have to go back and read some of the news articles about Empire Strikes Back.
There's the, there was a magazine about Star Wars and during Empire Strikes Back, they
actually shut the magazine down.
Oh wow.
And their last issue was, we just didn't see as much out of this movie.
(21:57):
And we don't think that we could mine this for material to keep fans interested.
So thank you for being a subscriber and blah, blah, blah.
And it was like, wow, that was seriously the take on Empire Strikes Back at the time.
Now it's funny how time changes things.
Right.
And now that's considered like the top tier.
It's very, it's very difficult to find those original box office numbers because they
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have been re-released and then they did the special editions and those hit the theaters
and you know, so it's tough.
Like, don't get me wrong.
A New Hope covers way more information and world building and everything.
Yeah.
It's the first movie.
Yeah.
But, but like it, it is so dense with what it packs in.
True.
But tonally is quite different from Empire.
True.
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Yeah.
All right.
So, um, Last Jedi with 324, you know, stepping up again, big step down with Solo, a Star Wars
story, $103.3 million.
Um, one, one fifth of, yeah, one fifth of the Force Awakens profit.
It's still money.
Right.
But the budget of that one was significantly higher.
I think it took away a lot from their profits.
Wasn't it the cost of two movies?
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Man.
I know.
I thought they had got pretty far in with the original directors, the Lego movie guys.
And then, uh, Ron Howard basically came in and filmed like 60 or 70% or something.
Solo is one of the most expensive films ever, ever made.
Yeah.
Uh, with a budget of at least $275 million, which is a lot.
And then the fan turnout for that was significantly lower.
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Yeah.
It was.
I only went to that one once.
I think that was pretty common.
Yeah.
People went multiple times.
Yeah.
Well, even further step down with episode nine, the rise of Skywalker at $48.3 million.
The finale to cap it all off.
I mean, that one was pretty good.
They talk, they talk bad about the solo box house, but I think Skywalker really, that
was a, that was a poodoo.
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Yeah.
That one was, that one hurt.
Uh, but I mean like it kind of shows, right?
Like the, there was a pretty sweet trailer.
I don't really know if the marketing was all that successful with that movie.
And there was less marketing.
There was like hardly any toys either.
Like, I mean, you couldn't find a Lego set to save your life or an action figure.
Like dark Ray came out years later.
Like there wasn't that much stuff going for it.
You know, it was interesting to see the divide between fans on that one, but let's not.
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Yeah.
Just like the success of the box office though.
Like what fed into those numbers was the hype train I think has was over at that point,
you know?
And, and it was like, okay.
Well, what is that?
Like nine years later, eight years later?
Um, the whole, the whole, uh, sequel slash Disney spinoff period was, uh, across four or
five years.
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Cause we're talking 2015.
It's pretty impressive.
For Force Awakens.
Three year gap.
Between each.
And 2019 for Rise of Skywalker.
So yeah, five years, five years, one movie each year.
Yeah.
I think, yeah, I think it was a mistake to go that hard, that quick.
Um, they should have had a plan for all three movies.
And I remember they were changing directors quite a lot in between movies.
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Uh, like there was the guy that did dread supposed to be the director of one of them at
one of them at one point.
And he started filming and like, they fired him in like three days.
I heard.
Ouch.
So yeah, there was a lot of stuff where it's like.
Too much gore.
Yeah.
I'm going to go for a hard R.
Star Wars.
Yeah.
Well, I mean.
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I'd watch it.
This kind of leads me into my, uh, my next thing, which is that an article had surfaced
recently.
The news was out recently that Star Wars fans have been launching campaigns against this
news, uh, to save a movie called the hunt for Ben Solo.
At least allegedly that's what it's being called.
Okay.
Um, that, uh, yeah.
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So, so I'm, I'm getting to that.
So basically this movie was shelved back in 2021.
So this, this script was, uh, allegedly supposed to follow episode nine and it was written to
feature, uh, Ben Solo as a main character and Disney turned it down.
This script was, uh, uh, again, take it with a grain of salt.
I found a number online, $3 million for the script.
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It was done.
None.
It was approved by Kathleen Kennedy and then Disney had turned it down.
And, uh, this was, uh, apparently because the, uh, higher ups, um, within the Disney
corporation did not think it was plausible or believable enough.
Seeing as Ben Solo had died in episode nine.
Uh, the script was edited by, uh, Soderbergh, Steven Soderbergh, and, uh, would follow Ben
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Solo on a quest for redemption shortly after the events of the rise of Skywalker.
Um, it also featured Logan lucky screenwriter, Rebecca Blunt, later bringing on Scott C.
Burns to pen the script.
Um, and, uh, there's a quote here from Adam driver saying, I always was interested in doing
another star Wars.
I had been talking about doing another one since 2021.
Kathleen Kennedy had reached out.
I always said with great director and a great story, I'd be there in a second.
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I love that character.
I love playing him.
It was called the hunt for Ben Solo and it was really cool, but it is no more.
So I can finally talk about it.
Didn't he say for years that he would never come back?
I think that was, I think that was maybe Oscar Isaac or
No, I thought it was Finn.
Was it, was it John Boyega?
John Boyega.
John Boyega definitely said it too.
I remember him saying that.
And now he's sounds like he wants to come back.
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Yeah.
Now it sounds like he's kind of ready to come back.
Time heals all wounds.
Time heals all wounds.
Yeah.
And Lester Natalie Portman.
No, she's talking.
She said, she said she would come back.
Yeah.
I would love that, man.
Me too, man.
That'd be great.
She is now.
And she's like a triple doctor or something at this point.
What?
That's crazy.
No, she's absolutely brilliant.
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Like you should read some of the stuff she's written.
All right.
I'll do that.
Adam also said, we presented the script to Lucasfilm.
They loved the idea.
They totally understood our angle, why we were doing it.
We took it to ball up Iger and Alan Bergman.
They said, no, they didn't see how Ben Solo was alive.
And that was that.
I'm kind of glad because as we keep saying, let people actually die.
And yeah, we do keep saying that.
Yeah.
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See, I would have been cool with maybe a movie between episode eight, nine.
That was maybe about the character.
Cause in the three seven, I actually really liked his character.
Like what Adam driver took to that role.
I thought he did a great job, you know, like, you know, and, uh, you know, we, we may say
what we will about the movies or the scripts or whatever, or the direction.
But, uh, he, as that character was, was a great choice, you know, and, uh, he did a great job.
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And I think, um, I, I solo movie with him.
No pun intended would have been pretty cool.
Yeah.
I actually almost missed the solo.
I, I really have no problem with pretty much any cast.
The cast was great.
The cast was great.
Yeah.
Like what Daisy Ridley did with what she was given was truly phenomenal.
And I, it bothers me that people sent her hate mail.
That's crazy to me.
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Yeah.
Cause like, she's so likable.
She's so there for fans and there's so much positivity that could have come out of that.
Even if you don't like this.
Yeah.
But I mean, we saw the same thing with the Sith lady from, uh, Obi-Wan.
Uh, can't think of her name.
Oh yeah.
Moses Ingram's a character, the, uh, the, the inquisitor.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're supposed to hate that character.
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Right.
Don't send the actress stuff.
Right.
Right.
Exactly.
I mean, you know, it's the same thing with the, with Rose Tico.
Right.
It's like, you know, it sucks when the actor gets the, gets the, gets the, the club from the
audiences and it's like, okay, well.
She is the character, not a person.
Yeah.
I mean, it's super unfair for her.
Yeah.
She's just doing her job.
Right.
So I don't even get the Rose Tico one.
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Like what's there to hate?
She seemed like a really nice character and person.
Right.
Right.
It's, it's like, it's, you know, it's, it's reasons for that go with the movie.
Yeah.
It's people upset with the movie.
It's a character.
They're not a fan of that takes up to so much screen time and this and that.
And it's like, okay, I'm going to hit on the actress or reactor because of all these
reasons.
Right.
And it's like, that's not okay.
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But like, that's that I think that's why, where it comes from.
Right.
Like negativity in general.
Um, I am a big fan of Darth Rose Tico.
Darth Rose Tico in the, in the, uh, Lego.
Yeah.
That was awesome.
That was, that was really cool.
That is the revenge.
She deserved.
It was definitely.
Who did she voice her in that?
I think she did.
I think they had a lot of the original voice cast.
I'm pretty sure you're looking it up.
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I am.
Yeah.
I am.
Um, I'm not going to find it this quick.
Okay.
We can stall.
We have ADD.
Yeah.
Uh, last, last quote here was, uh, Ben, uh, Adam driver said for the record, I did not
enjoy lying about the existence of the hunt for Ben solo, but it really did need to remain
a secret until now.
Uh, I really enjoyed making the movie in my head.
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Um, added, uh, Soderbergh.
Oh, sorry.
This is Soderbergh, not driver.
Uh, and, uh, he's just says, uh, I'm sorry to the fans that won't get to see it.
Uh, but, uh, you know, let us know in the comics, you know, in the comments, would you
have wanted this movie to happen?
Would you, you know, would you think Ben solo, you know, is there a reason for him to bring
back, uh, you know, out of the force, you know, we saw him disappear like Ben Kenobi.
Maybe the script was penned before they finished episode nine, you know, maybe they wouldn't
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have killed him off.
I don't, I don't really know.
That actually raises another question.
Why did he rate going to the force like Ben Kenobi, but no other Jedi did that.
I guess he's, he's part of the, uh, the Skywalker.
Uh, the Skywalker lineage, right?
So he's got the gift.
He's got the, uh, cause not everyone in the bloodline.
Yeah.
Well, it's, I think it's just, how do you explain Obi-Wan?
I don't know if it's necessarily a bloodline thing.
Cause like that Clone Wars episode with, um, those force priestesses talking to Yoda, giving
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him the knowledge in order to be able to do this.
Like not every Jedi is able to retain their identity after they're gone.
Right.
And so I think it is, if you look at all the people, uh, being able to do this, you know,
Obi-Wan first and then Obi-Wan and Yoda and, uh, Luke and Anakin and Leia and Ben Solo.
It's all the people connected to Anakin Skywalker.
It's all the people connected to the chosen one, to the, to the raising of this person.
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And then the legacy of this person.
It was like a two step process.
These, these people are all part of this story, this Skywalker saga.
All those people are the ones that get to, you know, retain their identity after death.
I still think Mace Windu deserves it.
Oh boy.
I forgot.
He's still alive.
Oh man.
I'll just keep my mouth silent.
All right.
Um, we got to wrap things up pretty soon here, but, um, Darian, if you want to talk
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about what we're doing for the next episode for the episode 400 and just kind of explain
to the audience as to how they can get involved, uh, and, uh, what we're, what we're doing
that night.
Okay.
So I kind of stole this idea from another podcast, you know, those fantasy football
drafts that everybody's been doing and yeah, well, we want to do that for star Wars.
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So instead of watching games and getting points, we're just going to have you, the fans vote
on what you think is the best team to come out of the chaos that is our star Wars fantasy
draft.
So each team is going to consist of six members and a spaceship that can transport them.
Each player drafts in sequence, each member of their team.
They have to have a pilot, a force user and a droid.
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So and an aliens.
Thank you very much.
I should probably look at the rules as I'm doing this.
Um, so the challenge is going to be getting all of your team members and you have the objective
is that each member has to break into Emperor Palpatine's fault on the planet.
I can't remember the name of the planet.
Oh, uh, Pileo.
Pileo.
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Thank you.
I need to serve with a P and that was the best I could do.
Pesana.
Yeah.
So we're going to have a couple of phases, uh, after each player has assembled their
team, they're going and gotten their ship.
They're going to have to argue why their team has the best chance for success into breaking
into Palpatine's vault on Pileo.
And then they will have a chance to argue why the other teams won't be able to do it.
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So then our last phase is you, the fans will get a chance to vote for which team you think
is the most likely to succeed.
So how can they do that, Josh?
Yeah.
You can leave a comment, uh, in the, uh, on Spotify or on YouTube, because, uh, as everyone
might be aware that the podcast does, uh, release on multiple different platforms.
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So, uh, the best places to, to leave a comment that we would actually notice would be on YouTube
or, uh, or on Spotify.
And, uh, you can also send in an email, uh, to our, uh, to our email address, swescapepodcast
at gmail.com.
If you are listening on another app that might not have a comment section that, uh, that we
listed.
So, uh, you can always send us an email there.
And, uh, I mean, heck if you wanted to send us a tweet or something like that, uh, if you're
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following us on, on X or blue sky or whatever, um, then, uh, typically I usually get notified
for those two.
So, um, you know, let it, let it begin.
Even though it's X.
I don't really know.
They're called posts, I guess.
I don't know.
But now there's posts everywhere.
It's kind of generic and lame.
I miss Twitter.
I miss calling it a tweet.
Also, if you want to leave us a review somewhere with five stars, those will be considered a,
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uh, tiebreaker votes.
So definitely.
Absolutely.
That's a great, good call.
Yes, we do appreciate those five stars.
Um, and, uh, we love, uh, any positive words that, uh, people might have to share.
Not to mention it gets other people able to see our podcast.
It does.
It, uh, definitely.
It increases the, uh, the exposure on the algorithms and, uh, people more easily are
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able to find star Wars escape pod when they type up star Wars.
So, uh, you know, if you leave a comment, if you leave five stars and this and that, um,
definitely helps us out a lot.
It helps, uh, other fans find the show.
Thankfully, if you type in star Wars on Google, there's not a lot of competition.
That is, that is true.
That is true.
That is true.
Um, anyway, that is, uh, that is it for the evening, I think.
So, uh, I don't know.
Do either of you guys have any last, uh, last things to bring up?
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I honestly had no idea that there's going to be all these spinoffs of bucket heads.
I'm pretty excited about that.
Yeah, no, it should be fun.
Um, I've recently launched a YouTube channel called the Mandarin.
Nice.
Oh, is it launched?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, please share videos up now.
So if you look on YouTube, just type in the Mandalorian minus the L and the O and there
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you go.
I'm the Mandarin.
Oh, great.
Okay.
Hello.
And, uh, the, the YouTube handle was, uh, what was it?
The YouTube handle?
The Mandarin.
The Mandarin.
All right.
So you can use the YouTube search and type in the at symbol and then the Mandarin and
Bob's your uncle.
So, yeah, thank you for that.
Um, can, can you share a little bit about what your channel is going to be gearing towards?
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What kind of, what kind of things can people expect from your videos?
Oh, since I am a worshiper of chaos and I have the worst ADD in fact, give other people
at secondhand, it's going to be pretty much anything Star Wars that I feel like doing
so far.
It's mostly bucket heads related content since I have years of behind the scenes video that
nothing ever got done with.
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So.
Great.
Awesome.
Well, thank you.
Thanks for sharing that.
Oh, you, you talked about it for a long time.
I just didn't know when the day would be, but, uh, that's great to know.
I'll check out those videos.
Released in ADD fashion at random.
Yeah, pretty much actually.
Yeah.
Sometimes that's just the way to do it, you know?
And then, then that just gets the ball rolling.
So yeah, everyone go and check that out and, uh, hit that subscribe button.
Uh, so thank you both once again for popping on and, uh, that is it.
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Thank you very much.
Uh, this is the way and I have spoken.
We'll see you out there.
Keep flying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Huge.
It's because we are nearly 400 episodes in.
And, uh, if you want to see this, uh, podcast get even more successful, just because you
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love us that much, uh, definitely love to see those five star reviews and, uh, sharing
this show with a friend always helps us out.
And, uh, you know, I guess, um, we've got many more episodes to look forward to, uh, coming
up is, uh, I guess when this episode drops, it will have been after Halloween.
So, um, if you're, uh, if you have a special star Wars, Halloween routine that you love to
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do, uh, you know, send us an email with what you love to do.
Uh, what kind of treats you give out on Halloween night?
Maybe we'll, uh, go over that at some point, um, after Halloween, but, uh, we will see you
in the next episode and may the force be with you.
Time to abandon ship!
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Oh no!
Here we go!
Can I persuade you to join us for a drink?
It's a tradition.
Here, here.
Jar Jar, homie, my main man, quickly.
Before the separatists attack, get into the escape pod.
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Hey!
This is escape!
Then we're the pod!
This is the pod!
Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod.
I'm your host, Josh, and we have a few fun topics this week,
including preparation for episode 400,
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where we are playing a very fun game show night,
and box office results come back from Forbes
as to how well the Disney Star Wars movies did.
We also have a bit of an article about a Ben Solo movie
that got turned down by Disney.
The internet's been abuzz about it,
so we're gonna chat a little bit about that, too.
This one's a short one tonight,
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but thanks again for coming for the ride,
we're on the eve of episode 400, with this being episode 399,
so let's get into it.
Let's get into it.
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Another happy landing.
All right, welcome back.
Welcome back, Darian.
Hello there.
Hello there, Sakuigar.
All right, and welcome back, Blake.
Hello there.
Hello there.
Chut-chut.
Chut-chut.
All right, so here we are on the eve of episode 400.
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Pretty exciting.
399!
Heck yeah.
But, you know, a big thank you to our audience, as always,
because, you know, episode 400 coming up wouldn't...
I mean, maybe we still would have 400 episodes without an audience.
Maybe we'd still be doing this.
Would we still be doing this?
I think so.
Probably.
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Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like one of the nice things...
We just might not record it.
Yeah.
We'd still hang out and do the same thing.
Yeah, I feel like...
Yeah.
I mean, you know, there's that...
There's that little tidbit, that piece of audio played on another podcast somewhere.
I've seen Star Wars 500 times.
500 times!
And I feel like...
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How is that not on our soundboard?
I don't know.
I need to find the original source for that.
But, yeah, like one of the other things is we've probably talked about Star Wars over
500 times.
Easily.
Easily.
399 times.
Like we're talking...
I'm talking lengthy conversations.
399 times.
I know for sure we've had 400 now on the podcast almost, but at the same time, like, I mean,
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outside of the recordings, I feel like I've definitely had an excess of 100 in my lifetime,
you know, that have probably taken place over the course of an hour and a half or something.
Oh, yeah.
Definitely every time I come out and hang with you guys, it's like, man, I should just bring
my H8 and record us because this is a podcast right here in the parking lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just record every conversation we have.
Josh used to bug me about that all the time before we started the podcast.
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Yeah.
Yeah, I did.
Yeah.
And part of the reason why we started, you know, I guess the idea was...
Maybe this is something we should have done in the episode 400, but we really didn't have
more than an hour and a half.
So maybe we can do this tonight.
But yeah, I guess the conception of the podcast was back in 2015.
(03:55):
Back...
Yeah.
It took us like five years to get rolling.
Uh, yeah.
Uh, it was, it was, it was a while ago and I actually made the account for the show.
Right.
I remember we were pitching ideas just out of fun.
Yeah.
Dude, it's free.
Yeah.
Nobody has that name.
No.
Yeah.
I made the email, I made the name and it's slightly modified since then because originally
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it was just called The Escape Pod.
And then eventually another podcast came out called The Escape Pod and...
They stole our idea.
I think it was also a Star Wars podcast.
And I was like, oh, dang.
Like, even though, even though we've got the name and the email and the host registered
account on Podbean, this and that, uh, there is still another recognized show called The
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Escape Pod.
And, and I just thought to myself, okay, well maybe we'll just be more specific with like
how we call this show.
And, you know, people can recognize the fact that it's a Star Wars podcast.
And so Star Wars Escape Pod was born and, uh, you know, yeah, the rest is history.
Uh, I think it was last year on, or this past year on Star Wars podcast day, we, we may
have talked about this already that we did like a overview of maybe the origins of the
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show.
I think that may have been the last year's that we did like a, a self questionnaire,
like a self, a self interview.
You know, it'd be fun to do when on podcast day again, see if we can get them to be on
our podcast and us to be on theirs.
Yeah.
The, the, the escape pods, uh, cross, uh, cross guest.
Yeah.
That'd be a, I'll, I'll reach out.
I'll reach out.
That's a good idea.
I'll reach out to them.
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I've been trying to get Marco for years to go on the bucket heads podcast.
And he's just like, no, I don't know.
I don't have time.
And there's a bucket heads podcast.
Yeah.
And it's in German.
It's like, it couldn't be more perfect.
What?
There's a, okay, hold on a second.
And it's, and it's not, and it's not named after the fan series.
For the fan series.
No, no.
It's, it's existed longer.
Apparently.
Is it around star Wars regarding the term bucket hands?
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Yeah.
Yeah.
And they use like a, a, a stormtrooper helmet with a bucket coming out of the top.
Oh yeah.
For those that don't know, Marco is from Germany.
He, his first language is German.
Oh, that's perfect then.
Yeah, exactly.
Like the dude is fluent in it.
And, and what a better way.
How did he knock on their podcasts?
Right?
Yeah.
How has that not happened yet?
He's got it.
He's got it.
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Yeah.
If I spoke more German, I'd just start like pitching to them.
You should have this guy on like, it's perfect, but.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, uh, yeah.
I mean, it looks like bucket heads.
They're into their 122nd episode now.
So, you know, congrats, congrats to them.
They, you know, the cracked a hundred episodes.
So they've been around a little bit.
Well, there's also two different bucket heads.
Uh, one is a podcast and one is just a channel on YouTube as well.
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Okay.
Completely separate from the bucket heads podcast.
You should do a bucket heads union and get them all together.
It depends on how good the English and the German guys are.
Half will be English.
Half will be German.
Half will be German.
Yeah.
Bucket heads.
The chaos.
Well, I found a, I found a, oh yeah, that's right.
So I found a YouTube channel as well.
Also just called the bucket heads and, uh, you can find them with the handle bucket head,
uh, bucket heads, GG, I guess.
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And they're a tabletop nerds with a game show and community based out of Dallas, Texas.
So that's, that's their description there.
Um, so yeah, that's cool.
A couple of bucket heads, a couple of skate pods, you know, you should get the trooper
guys on there too.
Do you remember the trooper video back in the day?
Yeah.
I remember that when it was like VHS quality and you had to wait an hour to watch a 30
second video.
Mail order.
(07:15):
Yeah.
Basically.
It comes on a floppy disk.
Well, while we're actually talking about bucket heads, um, twin sun film foundation,
was it, uh, now operates, uh, outside of patron on a, on their own website with their own
platform.
Now I forget the details of that.
I know, I know I'm a subscriber on there, but, uh, would you be able to share a little
bit about that website?
Do you know a little bit about that?
Yeah.
(07:36):
They're no longer doing bucket heads.
We just decided that the fact that three and a half years went by for, we had filmed
the first episode entirely, but doing nine episodes, they're going to be in wheelchairs
by the end of it.
Yeah.
Just the feasibility of what I would watch that.
So would I, and I did a cartoon like Yoda in the first section.
I did a cartoon making fun of that.
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And they're like, Oh, can you imagine?
And that stopped being a joke.
So, Oh, I found it.
I found it.
Okay.
So it's twin sun film.org.
So that's the website.
If I can remember, I will put it in the description.
I just keep forgetting to talk about the fact that they've launched this new platform
and, uh, there's a couple of different tiers that people can subscribe with, but on there
it does showcase their future projects.
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Uh, it looks like, so one of them is called the void coming in 2025.
I believe that has been filmed.
Okay.
I was not a part of it.
So I don't.
After crashing on an asteroid, a TIE pilot races to fix his ship while fighting off demons
from both his hostile world and within.
Sounds pretty intense.
Uh, there's also a short called Gonk coming in 2026.
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Uh, Gonk is a heartwarming story between a loyal droid and his aging companion.
Uh, oath sworn, oath sworn, sorry.
Uh, currently in script revisions and location scouting.
A storm trooper tells a story about how a single death trooper defied an entire legion
of rebel insurgents coming in 2027.
And the last two is, uh, what is this?
Tithe.
And a farmer and his family try to defend their homestead from raiders on the agricultural
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planet Tanab and Nightfall coming in.
Oh, sorry.
Tithe.
Uh, there's no release date.
Nightfall comes in 2028, uh, slated to begin pre-production in 2028.
Nightfall follows a squad of storm troopers on a nighttime rescue mission on the forest
moon of Endor.
So, uh, you know, definitely go and check out twin sun film.org.
Cause they got some, uh, if you love star Wars fan films, you know, they got a big slate
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and if you want those to happen, you know, you got to subscribe and, uh, chip in.
Is this all for the bucket heads crew?
We just decided that it would be better to go on to other projects.
And we always had plans of doing a bunch of these projects.
Like I submitted a pitch to the void one when they were on their second script and everybody
laughed at mine, but they're like, that's, we don't want to make them all ridiculously
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humorous and like dark and whatnot.
My, I had a very, very dark pitch, but everybody enjoyed it.
They're just like, we don't know if we can put that on the internet, Darian.
So maybe on the dark web.
Yeah.
But hearing the new pitch for that, or at least what they've put online, it sounds like it's
been revised quite heavily since what I last read.
And then gonk.
But I last read on that was wildly different from what you just read.
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So I know that I'm going to be working on the props and costumes team for that.
But I really hope you get to make the gonk droid.
I won't that I believe it's already made.
I I'm not involved in that part.
Do you know if it's a costume or is it like mechanical?
It is.
It is a costume.
Yeah.
They're looking for the right person, I believe still.
So by that you mean stature?
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Yes.
Okay.
So if you are a smaller stature person and you would like to apply, I'm sure they would
love to hear from you.
They're probably going to murder that.
But what about like preteens?
I don't know for sure what they're looking for.
Apply and find out.
And I only want to poke the bear so much.
Yeah.
So, yeah, just if you're interested in helping them out in some way, whether you're tall or
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short, maybe just contact their team through their website because there is a contact information
on the website.
Perfect.
Twinsunfilm.org.
All right.
Thanks, guys.
Link in the description.
Yeah.
Link in the description.
I'm trying to remember it.
Okay.
So something was made aware of something was made aware to me recently.
We don't need to linger on it too long, but a Forbes released an article about the real
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profits from the Disney era of Star Wars films.
Now, if just to catch everyone up, there is five of them.
There is the three sequels, Rogue One and Solo, a Star Wars story.
So we're not talking about the shows.
This is specifically box office profits.
Uh, this is what is left after the movie is paid back, obviously from, you know, it
takes so much money to make a movie.
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Uh, so this is after the gross gross profits.
Yeah.
The gross profits.
Yeah.
Not net, which, you know, you got a mark, a massive marketing budget in there.
Force Awakens marketing budget.
I don't even know how horrendous that was, but it was probably pretty, pretty high.
Right.
Yeah.
I'm curious to see that with inflation compared to Phantom Menace.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, so we'll, we'll, we'll do this in release order.
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Uh, just so you can see the curve, I guess.
Force Awakens clocking in at $500.2 million profit.
Profit.
Profit.
Gross profit.
Gross profit.
Not bad.
You know, not bad at all.
I mean, it cracked, it cracked a billion.
I was going to say it was over a billion.
Yeah, it was.
I remember that was, that was big news back when it came out.
It was.
Yeah.
It was one of the early ones.
And then like the next, like just like three that year or something.
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Yeah.
I think there was maybe one Marvel movie and.
And I think Jurassic world or something.
Oh, okay.
I didn't realize that.
Yeah.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is one of the few movies to have ever cracked a billion because there is very few
in that club.
Man.
I'm still waiting for Titanic too.
I love that interview of James Cameron just being like, I'm James Cameron.
Watch my movie.
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Drop the headphones.
Cause they are asking about Titanic.
Nope.
I think, uh, you know, I will be just on a side note here.
Like I will be very surprised if Avatar three fire and ash does crack the record again,
because I feel like.
What was the last one?
Water.
Oh man.
I meant numbers.
Yeah.
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Here.
Let me, let me pull that up.
I know both of them have cracked a billion.
Avatar three.
Thunderdome.
The tricky thing is.
I'd watch that actually.
It would be pretty cool.
The tricky thing is, um, I, uh, I know that the first one has been re-released like once
or twice.
So that one, it was like a decade between the first one and the second one.
So, so far between the two movies, they've grossed $5.2 billion.
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Crazy.
Between the two movies.
Was most of that the first one though?
Probably.
Um, it says Avatar 2009 earned over 2.9 billion worldwide.
Um, way of water grossed over 2.3 billion worldwide.
It's still pretty impressive for that big of a gap and then having that sort of box office
return.
Yeah.
It goes to show you can have giant gaps and still make a good product.
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Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
I think like also the, what served the way of water really well was having that massive
gap in between the movies and you know, same with, same with force awakens because
you know, like 2005 to 2015, that's 10 year gap.
Avatar was like 2008 or something.
Way of water came out more than 10 years later.
And so I feel like they had that avatar hype going for it and people may have seen it multiple
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times, you know, kind of like Star Wars.
Like, I don't know how many times you guys saw it.
I think I went like three or four times.
Oh, that's true.
Yeah.
So that helps.
Um, and so I, I don't know.
I mean, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a bit nervous for fire and ash, you know, quite frankly,
but, uh, this isn't an avatar podcast.
So, you know, we can move on, but 500 and $2.2 million for force awakens kind of crazy,
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but also a crazy budget for the movie and marketing.
And I take, took away a lot of profit.
I think marketing maybe, I don't know, maybe did a disservice.
Cause I remember when that came out and people were like, well, I guess Disney made basically
all their money back from the sale.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Because like force awakens was a lot of word of mouth.
Like people were talking about it all over the place.
I mean, I don't even know if it needed a word of mouth, man.
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It was like a big Star Wars movie after a decade.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
Like, like that in itself was like a huge lift for marketing this movie.
I remember an article about talking about like grandmothers are like going to see the force awakens.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everyone, everyone.
It became like a cultural thing.
A lot of people.
That was their first Star Wars movie.
It was force awakens, you know?
Um, and we had rogue one profit is $258.4 million.
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So it made a billion, didn't it?
Box office.
Yeah.
But they refilms like 70% of them.
Yeah.
That that's got to eat into some stuff.
And it was a, that was even a bigger issue with solo, but cause it was Gareth Edwards,
right?
Yep.
And Tony Gilroy and Gilroy.
But I thought he just did like a few pickup shots.
Is that not what you heard?
For, for rogue one?
Rogue one.
No, no, no.
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They, there was quite the scuttlebutt about it being like 70% re-shot.
So, so, and, and I noticed quite a difference in certain scenes.
It says Gilroy mostly reworked the third act.
Okay.
Uh, so it's a good percentage of the movie.
Uh, you know, reshoots happen kind of in every movie, you know, and pick up shots and
this and that.
But, uh, but yeah, I think Tony Gilroy was, I think he, I believe he was on from the beginning
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as like a producer or something.
And then I think he stepped in, stepped in more so towards the end.
He's the director that did the original born trilogy.
Yeah.
Well, and he's the guy who helmed and he was the showrunner for Andrew.
He was the showrunner for Andor.
So, you know, he screen worked that entire production and that's kind of his masterpiece.
But, uh, but yeah, Tony Gilroy, you'll find a lot of articles online saying, you know,
how Tony Gilroy fixed rogue one.
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And it's like, man, I mean, just to, just to throw it out there, like, like Gareth Edwards
is an amazing director.
Like, you know, did a great job, like nothing wrong with Gareth Edwards.
Um, it was just, I think they just, it was a team effort, right?
And again, Tony was kind of there to do a lot of lifting towards the end.
Well, and Tony Gilroy even said that the other director was present for a lot of what he
refilmed.
Yeah, he was.
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Like in the hallway scene and everything.
Like he, he definitely has fingerprints and everything.
Totally.
But Alan Tudyk, the actor who played K2SO, talked in a couple of interviews about how he
actually was also playing a TIE fighter pilot.
And that character was completely deleted from the film.
So it tends to make me want to believe that more of it was refilmed.
Cause that's pretty big.
If your main antagonist is taken out of the film.
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Is that what it was supposed to be?
He was playing like a main antagonist.
I haven't seen that interview.
So I'm actually curious.
I think it was on the Nerdist if I remember right.
It was a long time ago.
This was right when it came out that he did that interview.
So a decade ago.
Yeah.
And it was like, it just didn't make sense to have that in there.
So it's a shame.
Was that the TIE fighter from the, the infamous trailer?
I think so.
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He never directly addressed it, but that's what I'm assuming too.
Okay.
Because like, if you watch the original commercial, it seems like she's a one woman wrecking crew
and everybody else is there just to kind of facilitate her journey.
Whereas there's like, there's a crew of comedy relief and then Jenner.
So yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
And then the movie we actually got was like 60% Jenner or so and 40% Cassie Nandor with peripheral.
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Right.
Or at least I feel it was that way.
And then Bodhi Rook.
Is that his name?
Bodhi Rook.
Who's that?
No, who's the pilot?
I'm blanking on that.
Yeah, Paul Bodhi Rook.
Yeah.
So he'd be like negative attention.
Cargo pilot.
Oh dude, that guy did such a great job.
And I love his acting in so many things.
I made the usefulness for the job itself.
Oh yeah.
He was definitely like the kicked around MacGuffin of that movie.
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Yeah, yeah.
That poor guy.
So we take a step down, you know, to $258 million.
This is a big, pretty big hit, but it's also not a main episode.
So it's like, okay, maybe they're accepting it.
It's like, it's not bad, right?
It's pretty good return.
Last Jedi rolls around.
That makes $324 million.
Yeah.
Critically received well.
Obviously we remember what the fan response was like.
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You know, did, did really well for, for what it was.
I mean, it wasn't Force Awakens definitely has that lift because of the, you know, the
hype.
Right.
But now, now we're too, and there's the third Star Wars movie in now.
And it's like, okay, you know, $324 million.
It's not bad.
What is the, with inflation drop between Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones?
I want to compare this.
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I'm curious.
The inflation drop.
So you just going after Attack of the Clones because I said it was my favorite.
I'm all for you, man.
I'm just curious because it was a similar situation.
Yeah.
No, don't get me wrong.
I know that the Attack of the Clones has the biggest problems and everything, but I
still love parts of that movie more than anything else in the Star Wars franchise.
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Minus the green screen glow and some shots, the last like 35 minutes are awesome.
Okay.
I found it.
Um, so I don't know if this is adjusted for inflation or not, but it says gross to date.
So I imagine maybe.
I would think that.
Well, I know that probably means with like DVD sales and stuff.
Now, does this include toys and merchandise?
Because.
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No, no.
This is.
This is gross to date.
So it would not include DVD sales.
Um, this is probably means re-release though.
So it's like every time it's been in the theaters is included.
Just the original run.
Possibly.
I'm going to say yes, because that's how I would interpret that.
Um, so maybe look up original Phantom Menace box office and then look up.
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Because Attack of the Clones wasn't re-released, was it?
Yeah.
No.
The 3D thing before they, for the Disney sale.
Yeah.
So they only got the one out.
They went to Attack of the, uh, Revenge of the Sith last year, right?
Yeah.
Because they did the anniversary of that, but not Attack of the Clones.
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
And they had Phantom Menace a few years before.
Yeah.
Phantom Menace has come out the most.
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Yeah.
So Attack of the Clones can't hold up on box office.
That's why I just want to see the original numbers.
I'm just.
Maybe this is becoming too big of a tangent, but I'm curious just to the drop off of Phantom
Menace to Clone Wars from the original theatrical release and compare it to the sequels.
Okay.
I'm just going to give you the numbers that I found because I've, I've no idea where
the bad other information is, but, and again, I don't even know if maybe this Forbes article
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is just talking about domestic or not, but, um, but box office Mojo says that the gross
to date for Phantom Menace $431 million.
Uh, Attack of the Clones $302.
As close as I would have thought.
Revenge of the Sith $380.
Yeah.
I thought it would be a little bit more disparaging, but I mean, people went and hate watched Phantom
Menace.
I did not hear that for Attack of the Clones.
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Right.
Well, that, that would make the gap bigger.
Wouldn't it?
Yeah.
You'd, you'd think that was part of why I was actually expecting more.
It's also this hype of Star Wars is back.
It's like what Force Awakens had.
Star Wars is back.
People are going to see this movie.
That's why I was wondering.
Same thing.
Right.
After this big gap.
Yeah.
Star Wars material.
You're going to have quite the loss compared to a new hope.
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Uh, I, I heard that when it came out, a lot of people didn't like it because it was such
a, Oh yeah.
Divergence from the original themes of first Star Wars.
Dude.
You have to go back and read some of the news articles about Empire Strikes Back.
There's the, there was a magazine about Star Wars and during Empire Strikes Back, they
actually shut the magazine down.
Oh wow.
And their last issue was, we just didn't see as much out of this movie.
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And we don't think that we could mine this for material to keep fans interested.
So thank you for being a subscriber and blah, blah, blah.
And it was like, wow, that was seriously the take on Empire Strikes Back at the time.
Now it's funny how time changes things.
Right.
And now that's considered like the top tier.
It's very, it's very difficult to find those original box office numbers because they
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have been re-released and then they did the special editions and those hit the theaters
and you know, so it's tough.
Like, don't get me wrong.
A New Hope covers way more information and world building and everything.
Yeah.
It's the first movie.
Yeah.
But, but like it, it is so dense with what it packs in.
True.
But tonally is quite different from Empire.
True.
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Yeah.
All right.
So, um, Last Jedi with 324, you know, stepping up again, big step down with Solo, a Star Wars
story, $103.3 million.
Um, one, one fifth of, yeah, one fifth of the Force Awakens profit.
It's still money.
Right.
But the budget of that one was significantly higher.
I think it took away a lot from their profits.
Wasn't it the cost of two movies?
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Man.
I know.
I thought they had got pretty far in with the original directors, the Lego movie guys.
And then, uh, Ron Howard basically came in and filmed like 60 or 70% or something.
Solo is one of the most expensive films ever, ever made.
Yeah.
Uh, with a budget of at least $275 million, which is a lot.
And then the fan turnout for that was significantly lower.
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Yeah.
It was.
I only went to that one once.
I think that was pretty common.
Yeah.
People went multiple times.
Yeah.
Well, even further step down with episode nine, the rise of Skywalker at $48.3 million.
The finale to cap it all off.
I mean, that one was pretty good.
They talk, they talk bad about the solo box house, but I think Skywalker really, that
was a, that was a poodoo.
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Yeah.
That one was, that one hurt.
Uh, but I mean like it kind of shows, right?
Like the, there was a pretty sweet trailer.
I don't really know if the marketing was all that successful with that movie.
And there was less marketing.
There was like hardly any toys either.
Like, I mean, you couldn't find a Lego set to save your life or an action figure.
Like dark Ray came out years later.
Like there wasn't that much stuff going for it.
You know, it was interesting to see the divide between fans on that one, but let's not.
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Yeah.
Just like the success of the box office though.
Like what fed into those numbers was the hype train I think has was over at that point,
you know?
And, and it was like, okay.
Well, what is that?
Like nine years later, eight years later?
Um, the whole, the whole, uh, sequel slash Disney spinoff period was, uh, across four or
five years.
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Cause we're talking 2015.
It's pretty impressive.
For Force Awakens.
Three year gap.
Between each.
And 2019 for Rise of Skywalker.
So yeah, five years, five years, one movie each year.
Yeah.
I think, yeah, I think it was a mistake to go that hard, that quick.
Um, they should have had a plan for all three movies.
And I remember they were changing directors quite a lot in between movies.
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Uh, like there was the guy that did dread supposed to be the director of one of them at
one of them at one point.
And he started filming and like, they fired him in like three days.
I heard.
Ouch.
So yeah, there was a lot of stuff where it's like.
Too much gore.
Yeah.
I'm going to go for a hard R.
Star Wars.
Yeah.
Well, I mean.
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I'd watch it.
This kind of leads me into my, uh, my next thing, which is that an article had surfaced
recently.
The news was out recently that Star Wars fans have been launching campaigns against this
news, uh, to save a movie called the hunt for Ben Solo.
At least allegedly that's what it's being called.
Okay.
Um, that, uh, yeah.
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So, so I'm, I'm getting to that.
So basically this movie was shelved back in 2021.
So this, this script was, uh, allegedly supposed to follow episode nine and it was written to
feature, uh, Ben Solo as a main character and Disney turned it down.
This script was, uh, uh, again, take it with a grain of salt.
I found a number online, $3 million for the script.
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It was done.
None.
It was approved by Kathleen Kennedy and then Disney had turned it down.
And, uh, this was, uh, apparently because the, uh, higher ups, um, within the Disney
corporation did not think it was plausible or believable enough.
Seeing as Ben Solo had died in episode nine.
Uh, the script was edited by, uh, Soderbergh, Steven Soderbergh, and, uh, would follow Ben
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Solo on a quest for redemption shortly after the events of the rise of Skywalker.
Um, it also featured Logan lucky screenwriter, Rebecca Blunt, later bringing on Scott C.
Burns to pen the script.
Um, and, uh, there's a quote here from Adam driver saying, I always was interested in doing
another star Wars.
I had been talking about doing another one since 2021.
Kathleen Kennedy had reached out.
I always said with great director and a great story, I'd be there in a second.
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I love that character.
I love playing him.
It was called the hunt for Ben Solo and it was really cool, but it is no more.
So I can finally talk about it.
Didn't he say for years that he would never come back?
I think that was, I think that was maybe Oscar Isaac or
No, I thought it was Finn.
Was it, was it John Boyega?
John Boyega.
John Boyega definitely said it too.
I remember him saying that.
And now he's sounds like he wants to come back.
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Yeah.
Now it sounds like he's kind of ready to come back.
Time heals all wounds.
Time heals all wounds.
Yeah.
And Lester Natalie Portman.
No, she's talking.
She said, she said she would come back.
Yeah.
I would love that, man.
Me too, man.
That'd be great.
She is now.
And she's like a triple doctor or something at this point.
What?
That's crazy.
No, she's absolutely brilliant.
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Like you should read some of the stuff she's written.
All right.
I'll do that.
Adam also said, we presented the script to Lucasfilm.
They loved the idea.
They totally understood our angle, why we were doing it.
We took it to ball up Iger and Alan Bergman.
They said, no, they didn't see how Ben Solo was alive.
And that was that.
I'm kind of glad because as we keep saying, let people actually die.
And yeah, we do keep saying that.
Yeah.
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See, I would have been cool with maybe a movie between episode eight, nine.
That was maybe about the character.
Cause in the three seven, I actually really liked his character.
Like what Adam driver took to that role.
I thought he did a great job, you know, like, you know, and, uh, you know, we, we may say
what we will about the movies or the scripts or whatever, or the direction.
But, uh, he, as that character was, was a great choice, you know, and, uh, he did a great job.
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And I think, um, I, I solo movie with him.
No pun intended would have been pretty cool.
Yeah.
I actually almost missed the solo.
I, I really have no problem with pretty much any cast.
The cast was great.
The cast was great.
Yeah.
Like what Daisy Ridley did with what she was given was truly phenomenal.
And I, it bothers me that people sent her hate mail.
That's crazy to me.
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Yeah.
Cause like, she's so likable.
She's so there for fans and there's so much positivity that could have come out of that.
Even if you don't like this.
Yeah.
But I mean, we saw the same thing with the Sith lady from, uh, Obi-Wan.
Uh, can't think of her name.
Oh yeah.
Moses Ingram's a character, the, uh, the, the inquisitor.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're supposed to hate that character.
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Right.
Don't send the actress stuff.
Right.
Right.
Exactly.
I mean, you know, it's the same thing with the, with Rose Tico.
Right.
It's like, you know, it sucks when the actor gets the, gets the, gets the, the club from the
audiences and it's like, okay, well.
She is the character, not a person.
Yeah.
I mean, it's super unfair for her.
Yeah.
She's just doing her job.
Right.
So I don't even get the Rose Tico one.
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Like what's there to hate?
She seemed like a really nice character and person.
Right.
Right.
It's, it's like, it's, you know, it's, it's reasons for that go with the movie.
Yeah.
It's people upset with the movie.
It's a character.
They're not a fan of that takes up to so much screen time and this and that.
And it's like, okay, I'm going to hit on the actress or reactor because of all these
reasons.
Right.
And it's like, that's not okay.
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But like, that's that I think that's why, where it comes from.
Right.
Like negativity in general.
Um, I am a big fan of Darth Rose Tico.
Darth Rose Tico in the, in the, uh, Lego.
Yeah.
That was awesome.
That was, that was really cool.
That is the revenge.
She deserved.
It was definitely.
Who did she voice her in that?
I think she did.
I think they had a lot of the original voice cast.
I'm pretty sure you're looking it up.
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I am.
Yeah.
I am.
Um, I'm not going to find it this quick.
Okay.
We can stall.
We have ADD.
Yeah.
Uh, last, last quote here was, uh, Ben, uh, Adam driver said for the record, I did not
enjoy lying about the existence of the hunt for Ben solo, but it really did need to remain
a secret until now.
Uh, I really enjoyed making the movie in my head.
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Um, added, uh, Soderbergh.
Oh, sorry.
This is Soderbergh, not driver.
Uh, and, uh, he's just says, uh, I'm sorry to the fans that won't get to see it.
Uh, but, uh, you know, let us know in the comics, you know, in the comments, would you
have wanted this movie to happen?
Would you, you know, would you think Ben solo, you know, is there a reason for him to bring
back, uh, you know, out of the force, you know, we saw him disappear like Ben Kenobi.
Maybe the script was penned before they finished episode nine, you know, maybe they wouldn't
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have killed him off.
I don't, I don't really know.
That actually raises another question.
Why did he rate going to the force like Ben Kenobi, but no other Jedi did that.
I guess he's, he's part of the, uh, the Skywalker.
Uh, the Skywalker lineage, right?
So he's got the gift.
He's got the, uh, cause not everyone in the bloodline.
Yeah.
Well, it's, I think it's just, how do you explain Obi-Wan?
I don't know if it's necessarily a bloodline thing.
Cause like that Clone Wars episode with, um, those force priestesses talking to Yoda, giving
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him the knowledge in order to be able to do this.
Like not every Jedi is able to retain their identity after they're gone.
Right.
And so I think it is, if you look at all the people, uh, being able to do this, you know,
Obi-Wan first and then Obi-Wan and Yoda and, uh, Luke and Anakin and Leia and Ben Solo.
It's all the people connected to Anakin Skywalker.
It's all the people connected to the chosen one, to the, to the raising of this person.
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And then the legacy of this person.
It was like a two step process.
These, these people are all part of this story, this Skywalker saga.
All those people are the ones that get to, you know, retain their identity after death.
I still think Mace Windu deserves it.
Oh boy.
I forgot.
He's still alive.
Oh man.
I'll just keep my mouth silent.
All right.
Um, we got to wrap things up pretty soon here, but, um, Darian, if you want to talk
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about what we're doing for the next episode for the episode 400 and just kind of explain
to the audience as to how they can get involved, uh, and, uh, what we're, what we're doing
that night.
Okay.
So I kind of stole this idea from another podcast, you know, those fantasy football
drafts that everybody's been doing and yeah, well, we want to do that for star Wars.
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So instead of watching games and getting points, we're just going to have you, the fans vote
on what you think is the best team to come out of the chaos that is our star Wars fantasy
draft.
So each team is going to consist of six members and a spaceship that can transport them.
Each player drafts in sequence, each member of their team.
They have to have a pilot, a force user and a droid.
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So and an aliens.
Thank you very much.
I should probably look at the rules as I'm doing this.
Um, so the challenge is going to be getting all of your team members and you have the objective
is that each member has to break into Emperor Palpatine's fault on the planet.
I can't remember the name of the planet.
Oh, uh, Pileo.
Pileo.
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Thank you.
I need to serve with a P and that was the best I could do.
Pesana.
Yeah.
So we're going to have a couple of phases, uh, after each player has assembled their
team, they're going and gotten their ship.
They're going to have to argue why their team has the best chance for success into breaking
into Palpatine's vault on Pileo.
And then they will have a chance to argue why the other teams won't be able to do it.
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So then our last phase is you, the fans will get a chance to vote for which team you think
is the most likely to succeed.
So how can they do that, Josh?
Yeah.
You can leave a comment, uh, in the, uh, on Spotify or on YouTube, because, uh, as everyone
might be aware that the podcast does, uh, release on multiple different platforms.
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So, uh, the best places to, to leave a comment that we would actually notice would be on YouTube
or, uh, or on Spotify.
And, uh, you can also send in an email, uh, to our, uh, to our email address, swescapepodcast
at gmail.com.
If you are listening on another app that might not have a comment section that, uh, that we
listed.
So, uh, you can always send us an email there.
And, uh, I mean, heck if you wanted to send us a tweet or something like that, uh, if you're
(34:13):
following us on, on X or blue sky or whatever, um, then, uh, typically I usually get notified
for those two.
So, um, you know, let it, let it begin.
Even though it's X.
I don't really know.
They're called posts, I guess.
I don't know.
But now there's posts everywhere.
It's kind of generic and lame.
I miss Twitter.
I miss calling it a tweet.
Also, if you want to leave us a review somewhere with five stars, those will be considered a,
(34:37):
uh, tiebreaker votes.
So definitely.
Absolutely.
That's a great, good call.
Yes, we do appreciate those five stars.
Um, and, uh, we love, uh, any positive words that, uh, people might have to share.
Not to mention it gets other people able to see our podcast.
It does.
It, uh, definitely.
It increases the, uh, the exposure on the algorithms and, uh, people more easily are
(34:58):
able to find star Wars escape pod when they type up star Wars.
So, uh, you know, if you leave a comment, if you leave five stars and this and that, um,
definitely helps us out a lot.
It helps, uh, other fans find the show.
Thankfully, if you type in star Wars on Google, there's not a lot of competition.
That is, that is true.
That is true.
That is true.
Um, anyway, that is, uh, that is it for the evening, I think.
So, uh, I don't know.
Do either of you guys have any last, uh, last things to bring up?
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I honestly had no idea that there's going to be all these spinoffs of bucket heads.
I'm pretty excited about that.
Yeah, no, it should be fun.
Um, I've recently launched a YouTube channel called the Mandarin.
Nice.
Oh, is it launched?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, please share videos up now.
So if you look on YouTube, just type in the Mandalorian minus the L and the O and there
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you go.
I'm the Mandarin.
Oh, great.
Okay.
Hello.
And, uh, the, the YouTube handle was, uh, what was it?
The YouTube handle?
The Mandarin.
The Mandarin.
All right.
So you can use the YouTube search and type in the at symbol and then the Mandarin and
Bob's your uncle.
So, yeah, thank you for that.
Um, can, can you share a little bit about what your channel is going to be gearing towards?
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What kind of, what kind of things can people expect from your videos?
Oh, since I am a worshiper of chaos and I have the worst ADD in fact, give other people
at secondhand, it's going to be pretty much anything Star Wars that I feel like doing
so far.
It's mostly bucket heads related content since I have years of behind the scenes video that
nothing ever got done with.
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So.
Great.
Awesome.
Well, thank you.
Thanks for sharing that.
Oh, you, you talked about it for a long time.
I just didn't know when the day would be, but, uh, that's great to know.
I'll check out those videos.
Released in ADD fashion at random.
Yeah, pretty much actually.
Yeah.
Sometimes that's just the way to do it, you know?
And then, then that just gets the ball rolling.
So yeah, everyone go and check that out and, uh, hit that subscribe button.
Uh, so thank you both once again for popping on and, uh, that is it.
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Thank you very much.
Uh, this is the way and I have spoken.
We'll see you out there.
Keep flying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Huge.
It's because we are nearly 400 episodes in.
And, uh, if you want to see this, uh, podcast get even more successful, just because you
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love us that much, uh, definitely love to see those five star reviews and, uh, sharing
this show with a friend always helps us out.
And, uh, you know, I guess, um, we've got many more episodes to look forward to, uh, coming
up is, uh, I guess when this episode drops, it will have been after Halloween.
So, um, if you're, uh, if you have a special star Wars, Halloween routine that you love to
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do, uh, you know, send us an email with what you love to do.
Uh, what kind of treats you give out on Halloween night?
Maybe we'll, uh, go over that at some point, um, after Halloween, but, uh, we will see you
in the next episode and may the force be with you.
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