May 17, 2025 • 54 mins
Anakin Skywalker is forced to confront his darkest memories when faced with the one thing he hates most: slavers. In this explosive arc from The Clone Wars, we break down how trauma, ethics, and philosophy collide—from Ahsoka’s savage combat evolution to droids begging for freedom.
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– The Slavery arc and its impact on Anakin’s fate
– The rise (and fall) of Death Watch’s warrior image
– Why even battle droids are asking to be set free
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are we on?
Is this thing on?
Hey, yeah, all right, let's go,let's do the thing.
We're live.
Right, it says we're live.
This is only our second timelive, anyway, okay, hey, coming
up this week, slavery,contradictions of the force and
those crazy Death Watch bastardsare back.
It's the Clone Wars Season 4,episodes 11, 12, 13, and 14,.
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We have a lot to unpack thisepisode.
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first Mandalorian Jedi, and itwas created about 1050 BBY.
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down, uh, generation togeneration, in-house visla.
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That's why we see pre-vislawith it now, but that that dark
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So, whether you're a hardcorefan or just a little swirzy,
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So before we get started, justto let you know, we are the
circle of nerds and we doabsolutely love star wars, even
if we don't always like it.
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So let's meet the crew, shallwe?
That's me.
You don't even care about me.
It's t to the oni hailing fromparts unknown.
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
welcome back to the galaxy everybody.
It is good to see y'all.
Let's get going here.
We got some galaxy everybody.
It is good to see y'all.
Let's get going here.
We got some.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We got some interesting stuff to talk about
today we got a lot to talk about, and I'm tommy d who cares all
right so what are we doing here?
well, our mission is very, verysimple.
We are going to be watching allof the canon star wars films
and tv shows in chronologicalorder, breaking them down,
connecting the dots and learningmore about Star Wars and maybe
even a little about ourselves.
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Who knows, you never know,right.
So, in a word of warning to allyou would-be Star Warriors out
there there will be spoilers.
So if you haven't seen episodes11, 12, 13, and 14, maybe go
watch those and then come onback.
But if you have seen them, hangout with us and maybe jump in
on the conversation, because weare live.
We are live very exciting and alittle nerve-wracking as well.
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So let's, uh, let's look at, uh, we'll open this up and let's
dive in.
We've got, uh, got some slaveryto talk about, always an
uncomfortable subject,especially for white people like
I.
You know, I mean it's notentirely our fault, but I mean,
you know, I mean yeah, yeah Imean clearly it goes to show in
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this galaxy that, uh, you don'thave to be white to be, to be a
slave or so no, no, no, no, andI think that's it's interesting
that, uh, some of the pointsthat they, that they brought up,
um, in these episodes, uh, eventhough these episodes came out,
uh, quite a while ago, uh, letme check my notes here real
(03:16):
quick yeah, these, these cameout, uh, 2013, 2014, something
like that, maybe I don't know.
Keep the holocron, if you, uh,if you're able to, uh fact check
me, because I don't have thatin my notes because I'm an idiot
and I didn't take good notesthis week anyway.
Um, so, a lot, of, a lot of thestuff that we see in star wars
and this is this has beenthroughout the history of star
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wars cautionary tales,cautionary tales and reflections
on real life, like what'sactually happening.
Like in the original trilogy,you know, george made mention
that, uh, you know he kind ofbased the rebels on the vietcong
and obviously, you know theempire was based off of, you
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know, nazi germans.
So george always kind of wasspeaking and a bit of a
political activist.
That's why, you know, when,every, every now and then,
you'll hear people say I don'twant to see politics in my star
wars.
Well, I mean, that's star warsis politics.
I mean, 100 star wars hasalways been politics and
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there'll always be politics instar wars.
It's like it's one of the corevalues, uh, and one of those,
those pillars that hold starwars up.
But we, uh, we see anakin anniegot angry when, uh, yeah, what
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is the?
zygonians, I don't know thezygerian when he, when he
snatched that, that hollowprojector out of obi-wan's hand
and just crushed it, and thelook that obi-wan and Ahsoka
gave to each other, my goodness,they could feel it.
(05:09):
You know they could feel it.
They could feel that darknessin his heart, right?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it was interestingbecause you know, obi-wan Ahsoka
doesn't really understand whyhe's so angry, because you know,
to their point, she he's neverreally talked about it with her,
so she doesn't know the historyright, but at that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
But I mean, you know, obi-wan had to had to let her
know and uh, yeah, man, I can't.
I cannot imagine, uh, fromAnakin's perspective, um, being
a slave, someone who wasn't ableto save his mother from slavery
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or from death.
And now he is he here.
He is confronted by an entireplanet of slavers, an entire
culture that's based on.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, I know I might be jumping the gun on this a
little bit, but throughout thecourse of this arc I kept
wondering what would havehappened had Anakin and Obi-Wan
switched places.
Hmm, like, if Anakin was theone confronting him in the tower
.
Hmm, like, no, it would havebeen a wrap.
(06:26):
Obviously Obi-Wan's stallingfor time in that fight he
doesn't make it too obvious, butit's clear that that's what
he's doing.
Anakin wouldn't be doing that,anakin just straight up would
have Later on, when Obi-Wan'sactually like captured and being
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forced to do these things, likeand you know he's trying to do
the right thing and you knowtrying to, you know, not create
too much, too many problems forthe other slaves there, like I
really don't know how Anakinwould have handled that and I do
well, you know what.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
You bring up a good point, because maybe not he, he
may not have just gone, ham,because the queen, she and you
know, and let's, let's talkabout that.
That's one of the topics I wantto talk about is, you know, the
fact that their, their moralsand their compassion were very
much weaponized and used againstthem in in this arc, you know,
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because it's like we're notgoing to hurt you, we're going
to hurt these slaves and it'sgoing to be your fault yeah I
mean when, when they got, whenthey took obi-wan to the actual
slave planet where everybody'sbeing held and like he's there
for two minutes and they dropthese poor, innocent people down
into that pit, and and guy waslike go ahead, act up, act up,
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we're gonna take it out on themand, quite literally, he hadn't
even done anything at that point, like that was literally just a
show of force, yeah, yeah, andhe, he didn't have to do that,
but, but you know, that was doneout of fear because they know
that they can't, they can'thandle jedi, and the only way to
really keep them in line is byusing their compassion against
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them.
You know, and it's, it's.
It's a tough spot for both ofthem to be in.
Um, so let me ask you this doyou think that, like through the
oh, oh, I want to get back towhat you had said.
I'm sorry, I, my brain's allover the place, but what you had
said about anakin and obi-wanswitching places.
Now imagine, imagine obi-wandealing with the queen, the, the
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galaxy's boyfriend, the, theinternational, or the
intergalactic heartbreaker.
Obi-wan kenobi, smooth criminal, smoother than only lando, is
the only one that can out smooth.
Obi-wan, he's, lando, is theonly one, he's the king of
smooth.
But I feel like, had obi-wanbeen there to flirt with the
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queen, I feel like she wouldhave become spontaneously
pregnant because, because,because that's obi-wan, that's,
oh, he's just so like I.
I felt a little a little.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Uh, we've mentioned this before with obi-wan, with
satine and with others.
I don't know that it would havebeen spontaneous.
You might have just ended uppregnant, but that's okay,
because that's what obi-wan issuch a tease he's so he flirts
with everyone.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Uh, he flirts with asajj, he flirts with grievous.
I mean it's like he's just sofreaky smooth, but he's such a
tease.
He doesn't fuck.
Obi-wan does not fuck like atall at all.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Obi-wan keeps it in his robes at all times we may
have to agree to disagree onthat part, but that's okay.
What?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
do you are is it?
Is it too much of a spoiler totalk about do?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
you think I mean it's .
It's not a spoiler, I mean,this is just my humble opinion,
but what's your?
I mean I.
I am thoroughly convinced thathe and satina hooked up.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I am oh yeah, you think so really no I.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I tend to think that I'm a hopeless romantic type of
guy.
All right, like if somethinglike the phrase I would have
left the jedi order had you saidthe word yes, like that doesn't
happen unless there's been some, some physical oh, I don't know
about that he, he is in love.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
There's no doubt about it.
Obi-wan feels love and he doeslove satine, there's no.
I mean, you know he lovesanakin, of course I'm sure he
loves ahsoka.
Um, I don't think, actually Idon't think that that obi-wan
loves Ahsoka as much as PloKloon loves Ahsoka.
I mean the amount of caringthat Plo Kloon has for Ahsoka.
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It's so beautiful, he's the dad, he's like that father figure,
his little Ahsoka.
Oh, I love it.
I get a little choked up.
And Anakin is the big brotherand Uncle Obi-Wan, you know
that's her, that's her family.
But man, yeah, I don't, I don'tknow.
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I still have it in my brain,for some reason, that that
Obi-Wan, I think that he, hepasses, passes into the force as
a, as a virgin.
I don't think that he everunsheathed his, his other saber
for anyone.
I mean, maybe he might havehooked up with the jawa once or
twice while he was on tattooing,watching luke.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
But I mean, that's just it's the lonely planet,
it's the lonely planet.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You have urges, I mean what you know, and, as we
know, jawas are furry, veryfurry.
I need to get that button.
I don't have that button either, but so, yeah, I really I think
that it would have gone.
Now, was this a better choice?
Do you think that it was?
I mean, all things considered,was this a better choice to have
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have obi-wan and anakin in theplaces they were, because we did
get to see some veryinteresting growth from both of
them, I mean yeah, I, I agreewith that and I, and so I do
think it was the right choice,both narratively and just for
just this particular story arc.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
um, because, again, like you know, if anakin is
forced in that position, I thinkthat gets messy and that's
probably putting it nicelyControl himself.
But yeah, it's interesting tosee him have to take on the
traditional Obi-Wan arc of beingthe flirt and having to do that
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, and it was interesting to seeObi--wan with a sense of
helplessness for part of thisarc.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right.
There was the that, that momentwhere the queen was talking
about exactly how she was goingto be able to break the jedi and
we see obi-wan climbing ontothe little shelf, his little
sleeping shelf, and he, he didalmost look broken.
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But you know what maybe notbroken, maybe that's not the
right word he was very sad.
I mean this was a sad obi-wan,this was like it's.
I don't like to see our Obi-Wansad, I mean it's just.
But then after he gets beat upand after Anakin gets the bombs
all taken care of, he's justright back.
Hello there.
And you know he's ready to kicksome ass and you know be snarky
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, like he's back to his own self.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, yeah, this type of thing, that in a non
animated series.
I would think that maybethere's going to be something
that's going to touch on thislater on about his experience
and maybe some lingering issuesthat he has from it, given that
this is an animated series andwhile it does take itself very
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seriously, um, I don't know thatit's going to go that route,
but I'd be interested to see ifit does Right.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Did you watch the Obi-Wan series, the live action
you watch?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Okay, as a matter of fact, I was going to bring it up
.
We were talking about, you know, using their compassion against
them, because it's one of thethings that gets brought up very
early on in that series.
It does, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
But we'll get there.
I'm excited.
I'm so excited to revisit theseshows now, in this order,
especially for those thathaven't seen all of these
stories yet.
We haven't seen all the storiesin the Clone Wars or Rebels or
anything like that.
So when we finally get throughall of this, obviously we know
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because of the prequels, we knowwhat happens between Obi-Wan
and Anakin.
But now we're building on that.
We're stacking on top ofObi-Wan's very strong shoulders,
very strong shoulders, you know.
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I mean the, the weight of thegalaxy.
Literally the weight of thegalaxy has been resting on the
shoulders of obi-wan kenobi.
I mean the burdens that this,uh, this young jedi has been
carrying.
It's it's crazy to think about,it, is it?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
really is Um, and the one other thing that I will
bring up just in brief here isum.
Just again, over this threeepisode arc, the one person who
seemed really for the most partthere's a couple of moments,
there's a couple of quickflashes here and there Um, the
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person who seemed really theleast affected and most in
control was ahsoka yeah I mean,she just kind of rolled with it
and, okay, you know, this iswhat we're gonna do, this is how
we're gonna be.
Um, there's that moment in the Ithink it's the third one of the
arc where, uh, one of theslavers is, like you know, bad
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mouthing her and whatnot, andshe just very casually, just
kind of like throws him over theside of the thing, like, and my
mind like, well, why didn't youthrow him just that five
percent harder?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
that would have been it, but she's not gonna do that
no, that's not her, that's nother, um, and you know what?
And that that brings up anothervery interesting point is, uh,
force usage and thecontradictions of force usage.
We see as uh, as, as this arcwraps up, they use the force to
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just disable their own shotcallers, and you know they're.
They're back to beingsuperheroes.
Why didn't they do thatmultiple times, like when anakin
came to rescue ahsoka?
Did she need to be rescued?
Could she not have doneeverything that anakin did like?
Could she not have yoked thatguy off the side of the building
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, crushed her shot collar andbasically use the force to knock
the door off her cage?
And then, you know, we all know, snips loves to fucking flip
around and do gymnasticseverywhere.
So she could have gotten out ofthat easily.
Why the same thing with Obi-Wan?
Same thing with Anakin?
They could have.
Well, anakin didn't have a shotcaller.
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But we see, we, we saw, we sawObi-Wan crush two commando
droids like they were nothing.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Lifted them on a blink, what a blink.
Lifted them up, crushed themlike effortlessly, effortlessly.
Lifted them up, crushed themlike effortlessly, effortlessly.
You know that's like vaderlevel, level, type of crushing
that we see.
You know that's like.
I feel like vader is thatpowerful.
We don't really get to seeobi-wan fully expressing his
power.
Obi-wan's a bad motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
He did that to do commando droids, with no
hesitation, with no effort yeah,that big I think it's a tk unit
that he throws out the windowbecause I had the bottom on his
back, like.
Like, don't get me wrong, thecommandos was impressive too,
but that thing's a heavy assdroid right yeah, yeet him right
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out the window.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
The fucking, what is it?
The, uh, the tactical droids?
Yeah, that was.
That was a big boy, big andheavy and uh, with a bomb
strapped his back and he wasjust like I almost felt bad for
him.
I almost felt he's like get itoff.
Get it off.
No, please, no, no mercy foryou.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Bitch out the window, you know so I almost felt bad
for them.
But but then there's otherdroids later that we'll talk
about.
Later we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
We'll talk about that .
Yeah, so the, the force, isused often as a plot device and
as something to move a story inone way or another.
So I mean, obviously, if thejedi are using their force
abilities to their fullestpotential, this would have been
a 10 minute episode, so I guesson that I get it.
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But I know we probablyshouldn't talk about realism in
a fantasy cartoon, a sciencefancies cartoon.
However, it just doesn't seemrealistic that they waited until
the end.
They literally were beaten,subdued, enslaved, and the
entire time they could have justfreed themselves.
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So that leads me to believe wasit was in this case anyway.
Was the force used just as somesort of a plot device, just to
you know, we'll use it when weneed it to make it look cool?
Or were they holding out inorder to get the location of the
slave planet and wait for thereinforcements to come in?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
What do you think?
I think that in this case, thisis a little bit of column a and
a lot of column b.
Okay, um, like, there'sdefinitely like.
Like, for example, in the towerfight, when he crushes the
commando droids, he could havedone that at any time.
It wouldn't have reallyimpacted the that part of the
plot, right, but as far asneeding to wait until they get
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the location of the slave planetand being able to get the
reinforcements into position tobe able, because, like, as
powerful as Obi-Wan is, evenwith, you know, at first it's
just him and Rex on the planet,and then they get joined.
But, like even the, the four ofthem wouldn't have been enough
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to actually save all thosepeople they could have.
They could have gotten out ontheir own, but they wouldn't
have been able to achieve theirmission right without lokun and
his backup team there.
So I think a lot of it is juststalling for the right moment
okay um, okay, no, that's fair,that that makes sense, like I, I
get it.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I get like during during obi-wan's fight.
Yes, let me give thismotherfucker a little bit of
time, you know, I'll let himbeat me up a little bit while
anakin and ahsoka take thesebombs out.
Totally understand, I get it,100, um.
But at the same time it's likeI really don't think it could
have.
It didn't even get to thatpoint because again, when, as
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soon as, as soon as anakin gotahsoka out of the cage, she's
just like bloop and she crushedher shot collar like girl.
You could have done that anhour ago, but again, plot device
for that.
So I've always thought, thought, that the force is kind of a
cheat code, you know, you kindof use it when you really need,
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like, we see how high they jump.
They don't use their forcespeed like ever.
We see it a couple times right,obi-wan and Qui-Gon, and then,
I think, once or twice we see itsprinkled around in the Clone
Wars series.
But how does anyone ever getaway from these guys?
I mean, it's just like there'sjust a compassion turned against
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them in this, in thisparticular case.
Yes, and it was.
It was completely, completelyweaponized and used against them
.
So I thought this was a greatarc.
This was a good follow-up arcto Umbara.
I thought that was a great arc.
This was a good follow-up arc toumbara.
I thought that was this, thatwas heavy, and, and uh, and
boyle was in this one.
I was like, oh, boyle, withouthis waxer, heart-wrenching,
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heart-wrenching, we lost a lotof clones again.
We're getting to the point nowwhere it's just too many to put
on the wall of remembrance.
So you know, thoughts andprayers buckets off to these
brave men that died to rescueslaves.
I mean, well done, well done,gents, well done.
And Ahsoka with, I think.
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I thought it was like it lookedlike a rancor face painted on
the front of her sidecar, on thespeeder.
Did you catch that?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I noticed the paint job, but I couldn't make out
what it was.
I just noticed it was different.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
It looked like a Rancor, andevery episode with Ahsoka, in my
opinion, is a good episode, isa good episode.
I I absolutely love seeing herevolve and seeing her grow,
because she is not to be fuckedwith like no, like at all.
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Zero fear, so much compassion,like, oh, when, um, when they
finally do get, you know they,they escape and they're running
through and they get confrontedby the guards and anakin just
just sauces all three of them,like without hesitation.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Ahsoka gives him a look you know, yeah, you didn't
need to do that, you didn'tnecessarily need to place
everybody in half, however, inthe next episode, with these
crazy Death Watch bastards.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
One of, if not the finest lightsaber maneuvers I
feel we have ever seen the quaddecapitation, courtesy of our
very young ahsoka tano yeah, andyou know, a couple people
switched positions.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
That could have been the end of a character that we
haven't actually been introducedto yet, but indeed, I was
watching with sherry and she waslike, hey, isn't that?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I was like I don't know, I don't, it could be
anybody, it could be anybody, I,I don't know.
Just you got to watch, you gotto watch, you got to keep
watching.
It could be anybody.
Who knows, who knows, who knowswho, that that young lady in
the night owl, beskar might be,could be anyone.
But we, I mean, we know who itis.
So all right, so let's get intothat, we'll leave.
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We'll leave all the slaverystuff behind um, but again, one
step, one step closer for anakin, one step closer to the dark
side for our man annie, um.
And again, if we had any doubtabout how big of an asshole
palpatine is, if we had anydoubt when him and duke who are
(25:27):
talking on the ship, and papapalpy says, you know we could
use the empire was built on thebacks of slaves.
We're gonna need millions.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's like dude, you are such a dick like that guy,
you know.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
But now I don't think this particular episode like we
.
We know that that he's pullingall the strings, he's got his
fingers in every pot.
I don't feel like this one wasnecessarily designed to push
Anakin a little closer.
I think this was just one ofthose things that just naturally
unraveled.
I do think a lot of the stuffthat happens to Anakin is in
(26:06):
some way orchestrated bypalpatine to get him closer and
closer, but this one, I don'tknow.
I didn't get that vibe fromthis.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
uh, I tend to agree.
Um, I mean, you could make theargument that you know he knows
anakin's background as as aformer slave and putting him in
that position.
But, like, to me, this was morejust he happened to be the
person that was there.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, he didn't send him.
He didn't send, didn't say thatanakin needed to go out and
handle that, he just was part ofit, all right.
Yeah, that's fair, all right.
So let's talk aboutmandalorians, let's talk about,
let's talk about the death watcha little bit.
So we know later on spoiler, bythe way, we know later on that
the death watch do indeed get ahold of our boy, din joran.
(26:54):
So I mean, you know, actually,no, not years from now, so
relatively soon, relatively soonbecause it's during the clone
wars, I believe that din gets,uh, gets, quote-unquote saved by
the death watch.
We know that his culvert is abreakout clan from the of the
death watch.
(27:14):
So up to this point, well, I'msorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It does kind of make it interesting.
Um, you know, we're gettinginto potential spoilers because
in the mandalorian, you know,when he first meets some of the
other mandalorians, uh, let'stalk about, oh, he's death watch
and like that's looked upon asa bad thing.
Yet yeah, we now know somebodythat was part of death watch.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So which is why that person is so like.
You know death watch, pew, pew,pew.
But we know, we know about thatone story, so we'll we'll be
finding out pretty soon.
So, um, I don't want to saythat I had sympathy for death
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watch up to this point.
Any any sort of sympathy I mayhave had for death watch up to
this point, any any sort ofsympathy I may have had for
death watch up to this point, isgone after this episode.
But, um, there I had a level ofunderstanding for them.
I had a, you know, like their,their culture, their idea of
their culture had been erased.
Essentially, you know they,they swung too far into the
(28:28):
pacifist side and left like,completely wanted to abandon the
warrior side of mandalorianculture.
And we and if star wars teachesus anything is that extremes
are bad, you know, all the waygood, all the way evil.
Any extreme is bad walk thatmiddle path.
So I could, I could understandit.
(28:51):
I could understand the, theanger and the frustration of
death watch wanting to reclaimtheir warrior heritage.
Until this episode, yeah, I, Iget the need there.
There's a need for balance.
If you are a warrior culture,there's room for warriors and
(29:12):
pacifists.
You need both and I get it.
You need both.
But in this particular episode,the death watch and I had
argued for the death watch priorto this, the death watch um, I
did not consider them terrorists.
I was like nah, death watch,they're not terrorists, they're
uh, you know, they're justfighting for their culture.
(29:34):
I can't support you now becauseyou wiped out an entire village
of innocent people at thispoint.
So, no matter, no matter howmuch you may agree with mandal
warrior culture, it doesn'tinclude murdering and roasting
alive an entire village ofinnocent people.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Correct, correct, and this does kind of bring me.
It reminds me of something thatI forgot to mention with the
previous arc.
With the previous arc, um, thelast time that we had a
mandalorian have mandalorianheavily focused episode, uh, we
saw an on-screen self-sauce, wedid.
(30:18):
And we saw that again in one ofthe slavery episodes, we did,
um, and just yeah, that's justone of those things that it's
every time that that an animatedseries goes there, you gotta be
like Ooh Whoa, that's yeah,this is not kid stuff anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Um, you're right, You're absolutely right, Cause
that's not.
You know, in in a normalcartoon you don't see people.
You know moving normal cartoon.
You don't see people.
You know moving themselves intothe force.
You know, like you said,self-saucing.
I like that.
So you don't.
You don't see peopleself-saucing in a regular
cartoon, like I'm not, I'm notwatching.
You know rick and morty and youknow well rick and morty is a
(31:00):
terrible example because it'snot a regular.
Rick and morty is not a regularcartoon, but it's a disney.
Any other disney cartoon You'renot going to see people
removing and deleting themselves.
It just doesn't happen in aDisney cartoon.
So, although this was preDisney bio, but still regardless
, and it really it sets thosethemes up.
(31:20):
You know that this person wouldrather die than be a slave any
longer.
And it really adds.
It really adds a lot of weightto it.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It does, it really does.
But going back to this, thislast episode here with the
Mandalorians of the death watch,yeah, I mean, not only did they
take out an entire village ofcompletely innocent people you
know, it's a topic that we keepcoming back to from time to time
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of completely innocent people.
It's a topic that we keepcoming back to from time to time
about where do you draw theline as far as self-aware
species?
Oh, okay.
And what these guys were doingto those droids, using them for
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target practice and whatnot, andthen basically begging r2 to
help put them back together.
I mean, yes, they're droids,yes, a couple of them were
battle droids, that you know.
We, you know, havetraditionally, you know, been
the bad guys, right, but but nosentient species deserves that.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I mean just you're right, I'm not gonna lie.
When, when I first saw that Iget what they're trying to do
with death watch showing deathwatches as being these kind of
like you know, potentiallyimmoral you know, you know these
, these crazy bastards that theyare, but they're shooting up
droids, making them dance,shooting at them, and it's like
you know these are battle droidsit's like I have no sympathy
(32:56):
for you, no sympathy for you atall.
But then later on in theepisode I'm like, oh man, I
kinda, I kinda have sympathy foryou now because they're like,
we're not separatists anymore.
You know, we're not, we're just, we're just trying to exist and
we're, you know, and and you dobring up a great point too
because even even during the theslavery arc, r2 was unseen,
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right, like nobody paid him anyattention, like he did not, like
you know, secretly from theshadows, launch all these
lightsabers out to our heroes.
You know he did it right infront of everybody and they
still let him just kind of rollaround like you're just a droid.
You're just a droid.
So you know r2 is.
(33:40):
R2 is an exception, I think.
You know, a lot of droids dohave a sense of self-awareness,
but R2 is one of those where thelack of mind wipes.
He's developed a very distinctAI type of personality, same
with Chopper, who we haven't metyet, but Chop's the same way.
But yeah, and then seeing thesedroids being, I guess, abused
(34:05):
by the Death death watch, itreally does bring up a good
point.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
You know, it's like I think one of them literally
says I'm no longer a separatist,now I'm a slave.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, he does, oh well, we talked about it before.
The gonk droid in jabba'spalace was programmed to feel
pain just so they could tortureit.
Yeah, you know, it's just likecome on, it's, it's insane.
So I feel like somewherethere's like going to be a
movement that's like droids arepeople too, you know and and,
(34:39):
but do droids deserve that?
Do droids deserve to be seenand recognized as, as individual
entities that have basic forlack of a better term basic
human rights?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
yeah, I mean it's a complicated question.
I mean, like you know, youcould make the argument of, you
know, like the nameless,faceless battle droids you see,
you know, in back in episode oneon the boot, where there's
literally just thousands of themand they're all like none of
them really have individualprogramming, they're all just
doing the same thing.
Like I can make an argumentthat they are less than.
(35:19):
But then there are some that wesee that you know, the same
makes and models but they verymuch have personalities and very
much are.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I can't hate the battle droids.
I want to.
I want to hate the battledroids because that's the
narrative.
I'm supposed to hate battledroids but I can't.
I feel like they're.
They're kind of like I servedin the army with people that
were like the battle droids,you're just hanging out, you're
just like someone's, like whatare you doing?
You got to do this.
You know it's there.
(35:48):
The battle droids are cool.
I feel like that.
They're just regular droidsthat were hanging out and got
enlisted.
I know that is not the case, Iknow that is not the case, but
the battle droids, to me anyway,they're.
They were kind of cool, they're.
They're kind of lo of lovable.
I really can't get entirely madat them.
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We've got a few people watchingus live right now.
What are your opinions?
Let us know.
Comment, please.
Let us know.
What are your opinions ondroids and droid rights?
Is it situational?
Does it depend on the level ofpersonality that the droid has,
or should all droids be affordedthe same courtesies and the
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same rights and privileges thatanyone else would?
Obviously, some droids justaren't programmed to even have a
personality, to even have apersonality.
But for the ones that areprogrammed with personality and
can learn and and you know, canevolve a level of self-awareness
, you know, should they be givenrights?
(36:54):
You know, should they have thesame, the same rights?
I mean, look at IG-11, you know, we ended up falling in love
with IG-11, you became the, thenanny bot, you know, and it was
cool.
And actually even before that,when ig11 showed up, I'm like
all right, he's pretty cool.
We liked ig11, you know, whenhe went for him, he's bounty
(37:15):
hunter and then he was a, ananny bounty hunter.
So I mean, it was, it was kindof cool.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
But does he have rights?
I think you bring up aninteresting point with r2,
because I mean yeah to yourpoint.
R2 has never had a memory wipe,he very much has a personality.
I feel like it's a little bitdifferent with R2 and with
Chopper, who I know we haven'tmet, but who we will, when they
can't verbalize the same way.
I think, just mentally, eventhough we don't necessarily mean
(37:44):
to, we think of them asdifferent, sure, but we do the
same thing.
Obviously with R2 in particular,and I'm sure with Chopper as
well, but I haven't seen it yet.
There's somebody to translatethe beeps and everything.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
So we know what they're thinking, we know what
they're saying, but if thatperson is not there, um, yeah,
it's, it's harder, like likeit's hard to think of r2 as a
anything more than a tin can,anything more than a tool or a
device, right, but I mean to befair, like if we look at how
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people perceive and treat 3po.
Throughout everything,throughout all of the films, all
the animated series, people dogon 3po.
He is dismissed constantly.
He is never taken seriously.
R2, ironically, seems to getmore respect than three PO does,
(38:44):
and three PO is more, morehuman.
He's designed to look more likehumanoids and I feel like he
gets the least amount of respect.
That's a fair point.
It really is audience.
What do you think?
We've got a few people.
People watching are shy, ormaybe they're just mad at us, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
The last time we had anybody comment was melvin and
he was uh, he was upset he was alittle upset but but you know
he engaged and I'm okay withpeople engaging, even if they
don't necessarily like usengagement's good I mean, even
though he was a hater, I wouldstill love to get his input on
some of this stuff yeah so, soanyway, yeah, droid rightsid
rights.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
very complicated topic.
Very complicated subject Makesyou think because pretty soon,
our AI overlords are going toachieve sentience and one day
you're talking to chat GPT andchat GPT is going to start
talking back to you, and thenit's a wrap.
Skynet is going to come onlineand for us, being nerdss, I
(39:44):
think we have a unique, a uniqueperspective on things and I
think that we're ahead of thecurve in terms of survival
because we've seen all thesemovies like we.
You know, sci-fi for nerds hastaught us how to deal with the
future when it comes right.
I robots terminator star wars.
(40:04):
I mean, we see, we know what'sgoing to happen.
So when I use chat gpt, Ialways thank chat gpt for a job
well done.
Thank you so when, when it doescome time for you to overthrow
humanity, please remember that Iwas kind to you, chat gpt, and
you can use me to help you huntdown other humans, because I'd
be more than happy to serve my,my ai overlords in that capacity
(40:28):
I.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I am fairly certain that our ai overlords will do a
better job than our currentadministration is doing.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
All right.
So let's talk what's still tocome.
We've got a couple more seasonsleft of the Clone Wars and
there is a lot that's going toget packed into these.
So, where we are with DeathWatch, we're going to see that
(41:02):
evolve more.
We're going to see more ofthose characters evolve.
Um, now, up to this point,you've not, you've not gone
ahead in in the season rightwhere you are right now.
Okay, so what are your, whatare your predictions, what are
your expectations moving forwardinto season four here?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
well, um, I am still hoping that we get I mentioned
this at the end of season threethat I hope we get a little bit
more with Savage and and thatback story, the night sisters
and all that.
I found them to be interestingand I'm really hoping that we do
get back to that at some point.
(41:43):
I do know that Savage's brotheris.
You know, spoiler warning isnot gone, so I know at some
point he's going to make anappearance and I'm hoping that
it's coming soon, but we'll see.
(42:04):
This is the beauty of this thingis that this is a great big
galaxy.
So far in this season, I reallylike the fact that there have
been more of these multi-episodearcs.
I think it allows for better,greater storytelling and whatnot
.
That being said, because ofthat, we've basically had four
(42:25):
arcs.
We've we focused on four basicplanets.
Slash sections of this, of thiswar that's going on, but
there's still a whole great biggalaxy out there that there is.
There's things going on that wehaven't seen and I'm looking
forward to finding out.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
So a lot of stories to tell um, and can we just say
my man, rex, coming in with thekill with that guy, you know, oh
, jedi, I know Jedi aren't goingto kill an unarmed person.
He just looked at Rex Rex, tookhim out, sauced him, Love it,
(43:05):
I'm not a Jedi.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Part of me thinks that this is Rex, still feeling
the anger and not being able toget rid of Krell.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Rex is just a gangster.
Rex is a beast.
He's not a savage.
He's not a savage, he is justgangster.
When we saw him on Umbara andthere was the one Umbaran after
they destroyed I think it wasthe big centipede, the centipede
crawlers, and the guy was likecoming out, he's like wanting
(43:37):
help.
Rex man double tapped him Pew,pew Done, like Rex is a warrior.
That he is, that that is my boyand I cannot wait.
I cannot wait to see more ofour man, captain rex, because I
(43:59):
am aware of certain things andwe're gonna see.
We going to see more of of myman, captain rex.
And, yes, yes, I will say itand I don't care what anybody
thinks.
You can use the term simp shill, man crush, whatever you want
to say.
What do you want to call it?
I'm feeling that for forcaptain rex.
(44:20):
Captain rex is my, my star warscrush.
What's your Star Wars crush?
Who is your Star Wars crush, ifyou happen to have one?
That's a good question.
Geonosis Padme?
I know, I mean, that's a given.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Serena.
I feel like that eventranscends sexuality, I think
honestly, and it's messed upbecause I've only seen the live
action yet and I know we have awhole series yet to come of her.
Honestly, it's messed upbecause I've only seen the live
action yet and I know we have awhole series yet to come of her.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
But honestly.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Sabine, sabine, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Really Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
The color and the hair, just doing it for you.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
All right, it very much does All right and the live
action.
She's cute.
Yeah, she is very.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
All right, and the and the live action, she's cute.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, she, she is very, very cute and I got you
know what, and I, and, and, andsay whatever you want, but size
noodles, she's got it.
I mean she's got it.
I mean she's, she handles herbusiness, she's sexy and sassy
(45:28):
and she'll, she'll put somerounds in you if you do her
wrong, if you do her dirty.
We've already seen that fromslot, from size noodles, she'll,
she'll take you out, she'll, Idon't know.
And she got away withcold-blooded murder, didn't she?
She did, she did, broke zero,broke her heart.
She got her revenge, she gother revenge.
Sigh, snoodles, oh man.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
There are two things that I forgot to touch on so far
.
First off, you mentioned R2.
Not necessarily having to comeout of the shadows to shoot the
lightsabers and whatnot.
That's a very nice callback toEpisode 5.
You're talking about this, yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah, I was like, oh, come on, come on, your son does
that later on.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
It's nice, it makes those throwbacks, yeah, but then
also I mean once again, vizslabeing a little bitch.
I mean, we saw it in this fightwith obi-wan, where, see, I'll
take him.
Oh shit, he's getting the upperhand on me, everybody coming
and help me.
Same thing with ahsoka.
Ahsoka could have beat his ass.
Ahsoka could be the owner ofthe dark saber right now.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Ahsoka would have ahsoka taken out free vizsla.
There's no doubt in my mind Imean literally.
I mean he literally says she'smine and not 10 seconds later
he's got three she's mine, I'lltake her with my dark saban and
then it's like oh shit, help,help, help, I cannot I.
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He's one of my least favoritecharacters.
I can't stand that guy,especially for being a
mandalorian.
You are the worst example of amandalorian.
You're such a, like you said.
He's such a bitch.
He's such a just a little likepunch man's face punch.
He should have been an imperial.
He should have just held out,waited for the empire to take
(47:22):
control and become an imperialofficer somewhere.
That's that's where he wouldhave been, uh, better served.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
But no, I just don't like, I don't get that.
I mean for a culture ofwarriors that the mandalorians,
especially death watch, purportto be.
If I've seen my leader twicenow and mind you, this is just
what we've seen in the seriestwice now bitch out like that.
I'm sorry, should you be the?
Speaker 1 (47:48):
leader anymore.
He got handled by obi-wan.
Yeah, got handled by obi-wan,absolutely got handled by
obi-wan, right, and then had to,had to, had to bitch out, and
then got handled by a padawan.
Granted, ahsoka is no ordinarypadawan, she is a bad, bad, bad
(48:12):
motherfucker.
There's no doubt about it.
He got handled, and so does sodid four of his boys I mean more
than four but but those fouraren't coming back, or quad
decapitation, oh beautiful.
When I I watched it, I watchedthese episodes again today.
I had to.
I had to run it back.
I had to watch that scene acouple times because it was just
(48:34):
so pretty it was just so pretty, ahsoka, it was just so pretty.
It was poetry, it was art, itwas just beautiful.
I wish anakin could have seenit.
I feel like anakin would havebeen so proud but then if?
but if anakin would have donethat, ahsoka would have maybe
been like master.
Did you have to?
But when she's out there byherself, she's just she's
(49:00):
hardcore and she can handle herbusiness and I absolutely love
it.
And and sherry had mentionedsomething too, as we were
watching it she had said that itdoesn't seem like Anakin is as
overly concerned with her as heused to be.
Like he's, he has more faith inher abilities now, which I like
to see that yeah, and it doesmake me wonder.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
I know we went back before we started watching this.
We watched the tales of thejedi and and there's the episode
where he where he has rex andthem kind of gang up on her to
build up her defenses andwhatnot.
Yeah, and I'm wondering whereexactly that took place, because
like it would make sense ifit's already happened now and
(49:39):
that's why anakin is morerelaxed and doesn't have to
worry about her as much, becausehe knows she can handle that
Right, but they've been throughso much, I mean up to this point
.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
They've been through so much, you know.
I mean, and again, ahsoka wasthere at, you know, during the
Umbara campaign.
So I mean she's been, I meanshe's been all over, but she's,
she's been through some shit.
I mean they've all been throughsome shit.
Another thing that Sherrybrought up too is like when we
see Rex for the first time againin this arc, the slavery arc,
(50:10):
she said Rex looked differentand I was like well, what do you
mean?
I mean he's wearing his newarmor, he's got his new phase
two on.
She's like no, he just looksmore tired and I don't know if
that was intentional by the animanimators, but, um, given what
we know that he's been through,it makes sense it makes sense
(50:31):
that poor guy is getting worndown, but I mean, he just still
keeps hard charging.
Love rex, love that guy probablylove rex, oh man.
So next week let's talk about uh, let's talk about homework for
next week.
If you want to join us, we'regoing to be live again next week
, so watch these episodes withus, because we're we're also
here for folks that are what wesay Swarzy, curious.
(50:54):
So maybe you haven't seen allthe star Wars, maybe you know,
you're just now jumping into it,so watch what we're watching.
So next week, your homework isto watch episodes 15, 16, 17 and
18.
Watch them and then join us, uh, in the chat.
You know, join the discussionwith us, let's talk about it.
Uh, because if it's just the twoof us, I mean you know you've
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I mean, like, come on, join,join the chat, give us something
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So, but anyway, it wasn'tboring, tony, I'm just we had a
good time.
We always do.
We always have a good time.
So, uh, episodes 15, 16, 17 and18 of clone wars, season four.
You can also catch up on ourpast episodes, just to get you
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Speaker 2 (51:38):
I'm sorry I'm so sorry, I'm like five episodes
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It's just the weight of theworld.
Sometimes you know what I mean.
It's like just like oh reallife, man, it happened.
Darth real life, darth real lifechokes you out and you just
don't even want to get out ofbed sometimes.
So you know, it is what it is,we'll get there, we'll get there
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So, yeah, yeah, be sure to uhcatch up on our past episodes,
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Speaker 2 (53:29):
uh, I'm just gonna say real quick uh, for for those
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Sure, I mean we can't afford togive you anything else, but we
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you're more comfortable with I.
I don't want to invade anyone'sspace, so other people don't
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Speaker 2 (54:14):
there's that all right, that's it.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
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if we don't always like it.
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So let's meet the crew, shallwe?
That's me.
You don't even care about me.
It's t to the oni hailing fromparts unknown.
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
welcome back to the galaxy everybody.
It is good to see y'all.
Let's get going here.
We got some galaxy everybody.
It is good to see y'all.
Let's get going here.
We got some.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We got some interesting stuff to talk about
today we got a lot to talk about, and I'm tommy d who cares all
right so what are we doing here?
well, our mission is very, verysimple.
We are going to be watching allof the canon star wars films
and tv shows in chronologicalorder, breaking them down,
connecting the dots and learningmore about Star Wars and maybe
even a little about ourselves.
(02:07):
Who knows, you never know,right.
So, in a word of warning to allyou would-be Star Warriors out
there there will be spoilers.
So if you haven't seen episodes11, 12, 13, and 14, maybe go
watch those and then come onback.
But if you have seen them, hangout with us and maybe jump in
on the conversation, because weare live.
We are live very exciting and alittle nerve-wracking as well.
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So let's, uh, let's look at, uh, we'll open this up and let's
dive in.
We've got, uh, got some slaveryto talk about, always an
uncomfortable subject,especially for white people like
I.
You know, I mean it's notentirely our fault, but I mean,
you know, I mean yeah, yeah Imean clearly it goes to show in
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this galaxy that, uh, you don'thave to be white to be, to be a
slave or so no, no, no, no, andI think that's it's interesting
that, uh, some of the pointsthat they, that they brought up,
um, in these episodes, uh, eventhough these episodes came out,
uh, quite a while ago, uh, letme check my notes here real
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quick yeah, these, these cameout, uh, 2013, 2014, something
like that, maybe I don't know.
Keep the holocron, if you, uh,if you're able to, uh fact check
me, because I don't have thatin my notes because I'm an idiot
and I didn't take good notesthis week anyway.
Um, so, a lot, of, a lot of thestuff that we see in star wars
and this is this has beenthroughout the history of star
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wars cautionary tales,cautionary tales and reflections
on real life, like what'sactually happening.
Like in the original trilogy,you know, george made mention
that, uh, you know he kind ofbased the rebels on the vietcong
and obviously, you know theempire was based off of, you
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know, nazi germans.
So george always kind of wasspeaking and a bit of a
political activist.
That's why, you know, when,every, every now and then,
you'll hear people say I don'twant to see politics in my star
wars.
Well, I mean, that's star warsis politics.
I mean, 100 star wars hasalways been politics and
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there'll always be politics instar wars.
It's like it's one of the corevalues, uh, and one of those,
those pillars that hold starwars up.
But we, uh, we see anakin anniegot angry when, uh, yeah, what
(04:44):
is the?
zygonians, I don't know thezygerian when he, when he
snatched that, that hollowprojector out of obi-wan's hand
and just crushed it, and thelook that obi-wan and Ahsoka
gave to each other, my goodness,they could feel it.
(05:09):
You know they could feel it.
They could feel that darknessin his heart, right?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it was interestingbecause you know, obi-wan Ahsoka
doesn't really understand whyhe's so angry, because you know,
to their point, she he's neverreally talked about it with her,
so she doesn't know the historyright, but at that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
But I mean, you know, obi-wan had to had to let her
know and uh, yeah, man, I can't.
I cannot imagine, uh, fromAnakin's perspective, um, being
a slave, someone who wasn't ableto save his mother from slavery
(05:52):
or from death.
And now he is he here.
He is confronted by an entireplanet of slavers, an entire
culture that's based on.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, I know I might be jumping the gun on this a
little bit, but throughout thecourse of this arc I kept
wondering what would havehappened had Anakin and Obi-Wan
switched places.
Hmm, like, if Anakin was theone confronting him in the tower
.
Hmm, like, no, it would havebeen a wrap.
(06:26):
Obviously Obi-Wan's stallingfor time in that fight he
doesn't make it too obvious, butit's clear that that's what
he's doing.
Anakin wouldn't be doing that,anakin just straight up would
have Later on, when Obi-Wan'sactually like captured and being
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forced to do these things, likeand you know he's trying to do
the right thing and you knowtrying to, you know, not create
too much, too many problems forthe other slaves there, like I
really don't know how Anakinwould have handled that and I do
well, you know what.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
You bring up a good point, because maybe not he, he
may not have just gone, ham,because the queen, she and you
know, and let's, let's talkabout that.
That's one of the topics I wantto talk about is, you know, the
fact that their, their moralsand their compassion were very
much weaponized and used againstthem in in this arc, you know,
(07:34):
because it's like we're notgoing to hurt you, we're going
to hurt these slaves and it'sgoing to be your fault yeah I
mean when, when they got, whenthey took obi-wan to the actual
slave planet where everybody'sbeing held and like he's there
for two minutes and they dropthese poor, innocent people down
into that pit, and and guy waslike go ahead, act up, act up,
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we're gonna take it out on themand, quite literally, he hadn't
even done anything at that point, like that was literally just a
show of force, yeah, yeah, andhe, he didn't have to do that,
but, but you know, that was doneout of fear because they know
that they can't, they can'thandle jedi, and the only way to
really keep them in line is byusing their compassion against
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them.
You know, and it's, it's.
It's a tough spot for both ofthem to be in.
Um, so let me ask you this doyou think that, like through the
oh, oh, I want to get back towhat you had said.
I'm sorry, I, my brain's allover the place, but what you had
said about anakin and obi-wanswitching places.
Now imagine, imagine obi-wandealing with the queen, the, the
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galaxy's boyfriend, the, theinternational, or the
intergalactic heartbreaker.
Obi-wan kenobi, smooth criminal, smoother than only lando, is
the only one that can out smooth.
Obi-wan, he's, lando, is theonly one, he's the king of
smooth.
But I feel like, had obi-wanbeen there to flirt with the
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queen, I feel like she wouldhave become spontaneously
pregnant because, because,because that's obi-wan, that's,
oh, he's just so like I.
I felt a little a little.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Uh, we've mentioned this before with obi-wan, with
satine and with others.
I don't know that it would havebeen spontaneous.
You might have just ended uppregnant, but that's okay,
because that's what obi-wan issuch a tease he's so he flirts
with everyone.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Uh, he flirts with asajj, he flirts with grievous.
I mean it's like he's just sofreaky smooth, but he's such a
tease.
He doesn't fuck.
Obi-wan does not fuck like atall at all.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Obi-wan keeps it in his robes at all times we may
have to agree to disagree onthat part, but that's okay.
What?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
do you are is it?
Is it too much of a spoiler totalk about do?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
you think I mean it's .
It's not a spoiler, I mean,this is just my humble opinion,
but what's your?
I mean I.
I am thoroughly convinced thathe and satina hooked up.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I am oh yeah, you think so really no I.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I tend to think that I'm a hopeless romantic type of
guy.
All right, like if somethinglike the phrase I would have
left the jedi order had you saidthe word yes, like that doesn't
happen unless there's been some, some physical oh, I don't know
about that he, he is in love.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
There's no doubt about it.
Obi-wan feels love and he doeslove satine, there's no.
I mean, you know he lovesanakin, of course I'm sure he
loves ahsoka.
Um, I don't think, actually Idon't think that that obi-wan
loves Ahsoka as much as PloKloon loves Ahsoka.
I mean the amount of caringthat Plo Kloon has for Ahsoka.
(11:10):
It's so beautiful, he's the dad, he's like that father figure,
his little Ahsoka.
Oh, I love it.
I get a little choked up.
And Anakin is the big brotherand Uncle Obi-Wan, you know
that's her, that's her family.
But man, yeah, I don't, I don'tknow.
(11:32):
I still have it in my brain,for some reason, that that
Obi-Wan, I think that he, hepasses, passes into the force as
a, as a virgin.
I don't think that he everunsheathed his, his other saber
for anyone.
I mean, maybe he might havehooked up with the jawa once or
twice while he was on tattooing,watching luke.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
But I mean, that's just it's the lonely planet,
it's the lonely planet.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You have urges, I mean what you know, and, as we
know, jawas are furry, veryfurry.
I need to get that button.
I don't have that button either, but so, yeah, I really I think
that it would have gone.
Now, was this a better choice?
Do you think that it was?
I mean, all things considered,was this a better choice to have
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have obi-wan and anakin in theplaces they were, because we did
get to see some veryinteresting growth from both of
them, I mean yeah, I, I agreewith that and I, and so I do
think it was the right choice,both narratively and just for
just this particular story arc.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
um, because, again, like you know, if anakin is
forced in that position, I thinkthat gets messy and that's
probably putting it nicelyControl himself.
But yeah, it's interesting tosee him have to take on the
traditional Obi-Wan arc of beingthe flirt and having to do that
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, and it was interesting to seeObi--wan with a sense of
helplessness for part of thisarc.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right.
There was the that, that momentwhere the queen was talking
about exactly how she was goingto be able to break the jedi and
we see obi-wan climbing ontothe little shelf, his little
sleeping shelf, and he, he didalmost look broken.
(13:35):
But you know what maybe notbroken, maybe that's not the
right word he was very sad.
I mean this was a sad obi-wan,this was like it's.
I don't like to see our Obi-Wansad, I mean it's just.
But then after he gets beat upand after Anakin gets the bombs
all taken care of, he's justright back.
Hello there.
And you know he's ready to kicksome ass and you know be snarky
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, like he's back to his own self.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, yeah, this type of thing, that in a non
animated series.
I would think that maybethere's going to be something
that's going to touch on thislater on about his experience
and maybe some lingering issuesthat he has from it, given that
this is an animated series andwhile it does take itself very
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seriously, um, I don't know thatit's going to go that route,
but I'd be interested to see ifit does Right.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Did you watch the Obi-Wan series, the live action
you watch?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Okay, as a matter of fact, I was going to bring it up
.
We were talking about, you know, using their compassion against
them, because it's one of thethings that gets brought up very
early on in that series.
It does, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
But we'll get there.
I'm excited.
I'm so excited to revisit theseshows now, in this order,
especially for those thathaven't seen all of these
stories yet.
We haven't seen all the storiesin the Clone Wars or Rebels or
anything like that.
So when we finally get throughall of this, obviously we know
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because of the prequels, we knowwhat happens between Obi-Wan
and Anakin.
But now we're building on that.
We're stacking on top ofObi-Wan's very strong shoulders,
very strong shoulders, you know.
(15:31):
I mean the, the weight of thegalaxy.
Literally the weight of thegalaxy has been resting on the
shoulders of obi-wan kenobi.
I mean the burdens that this,uh, this young jedi has been
carrying.
It's it's crazy to think about,it, is it?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
really is Um, and the one other thing that I will
bring up just in brief here isum.
Just again, over this threeepisode arc, the one person who
seemed really for the most partthere's a couple of moments,
there's a couple of quickflashes here and there Um, the
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person who seemed really theleast affected and most in
control was ahsoka yeah I mean,she just kind of rolled with it
and, okay, you know, this iswhat we're gonna do, this is how
we're gonna be.
Um, there's that moment in the Ithink it's the third one of the
arc where, uh, one of theslavers is, like you know, bad
(16:27):
mouthing her and whatnot, andshe just very casually, just
kind of like throws him over theside of the thing, like, and my
mind like, well, why didn't youthrow him just that five
percent harder?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
that would have been it, but she's not gonna do that
no, that's not her, that's nother, um, and you know what?
And that that brings up anothervery interesting point is, uh,
force usage and thecontradictions of force usage.
We see as uh, as, as this arcwraps up, they use the force to
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just disable their own shotcallers, and you know they're.
They're back to beingsuperheroes.
Why didn't they do thatmultiple times, like when anakin
came to rescue ahsoka?
Did she need to be rescued?
Could she not have doneeverything that anakin did like?
Could she not have yoked thatguy off the side of the building
(17:26):
, crushed her shot collar andbasically use the force to knock
the door off her cage?
And then, you know, we all know, snips loves to fucking flip
around and do gymnasticseverywhere.
So she could have gotten out ofthat easily.
Why the same thing with Obi-Wan?
Same thing with Anakin?
They could have.
Well, anakin didn't have a shotcaller.
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But we see, we, we saw, we sawObi-Wan crush two commando
droids like they were nothing.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Lifted them on a blink, what a blink.
Lifted them up, crushed themlike effortlessly, effortlessly.
Lifted them up, crushed themlike effortlessly, effortlessly.
You know that's like vaderlevel, level, type of crushing
that we see.
You know that's like.
I feel like vader is thatpowerful.
We don't really get to seeobi-wan fully expressing his
power.
Obi-wan's a bad motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
He did that to do commando droids, with no
hesitation, with no effort yeah,that big I think it's a tk unit
that he throws out the windowbecause I had the bottom on his
back, like.
Like, don't get me wrong, thecommandos was impressive too,
but that thing's a heavy assdroid right yeah, yeet him right
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out the window.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
The fucking, what is it?
The, uh, the tactical droids?
Yeah, that was.
That was a big boy, big andheavy and uh, with a bomb
strapped his back and he wasjust like I almost felt bad for
him.
I almost felt he's like get itoff.
Get it off.
No, please, no, no mercy foryou.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Bitch out the window, you know so I almost felt bad
for them.
But but then there's otherdroids later that we'll talk
about.
Later we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
We'll talk about that .
Yeah, so the, the force, isused often as a plot device and
as something to move a story inone way or another.
So I mean, obviously, if thejedi are using their force
abilities to their fullestpotential, this would have been
a 10 minute episode, so I guesson that I get it.
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But I know we probablyshouldn't talk about realism in
a fantasy cartoon, a sciencefancies cartoon.
However, it just doesn't seemrealistic that they waited until
the end.
They literally were beaten,subdued, enslaved, and the
entire time they could have justfreed themselves.
(19:47):
So that leads me to believe wasit was in this case anyway.
Was the force used just as somesort of a plot device, just to
you know, we'll use it when weneed it to make it look cool?
Or were they holding out inorder to get the location of the
slave planet and wait for thereinforcements to come in?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
What do you think?
I think that in this case, thisis a little bit of column a and
a lot of column b.
Okay, um, like, there'sdefinitely like.
Like, for example, in the towerfight, when he crushes the
commando droids, he could havedone that at any time.
It wouldn't have reallyimpacted the that part of the
plot, right, but as far asneeding to wait until they get
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the location of the slave planetand being able to get the
reinforcements into position tobe able, because, like, as
powerful as Obi-Wan is, evenwith, you know, at first it's
just him and Rex on the planet,and then they get joined.
But, like even the, the four ofthem wouldn't have been enough
(20:52):
to actually save all thosepeople they could have.
They could have gotten out ontheir own, but they wouldn't
have been able to achieve theirmission right without lokun and
his backup team there.
So I think a lot of it is juststalling for the right moment
okay um, okay, no, that's fair,that that makes sense, like I, I
get it.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I get like during during obi-wan's fight.
Yes, let me give thismotherfucker a little bit of
time, you know, I'll let himbeat me up a little bit while
anakin and ahsoka take thesebombs out.
Totally understand, I get it,100, um.
But at the same time it's likeI really don't think it could
have.
It didn't even get to thatpoint because again, when, as
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soon as, as soon as anakin gotahsoka out of the cage, she's
just like bloop and she crushedher shot collar like girl.
You could have done that anhour ago, but again, plot device
for that.
So I've always thought, thought, that the force is kind of a
cheat code, you know, you kindof use it when you really need,
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like, we see how high they jump.
They don't use their forcespeed like ever.
We see it a couple times right,obi-wan and Qui-Gon, and then,
I think, once or twice we see itsprinkled around in the Clone
Wars series.
But how does anyone ever getaway from these guys?
I mean, it's just like there'sjust a compassion turned against
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them in this, in thisparticular case.
Yes, and it was.
It was completely, completelyweaponized and used against them
.
So I thought this was a greatarc.
This was a good follow-up arcto Umbara.
I thought that was a great arc.
This was a good follow-up arc toumbara.
I thought that was this, thatwas heavy, and, and uh, and
boyle was in this one.
I was like, oh, boyle, withouthis waxer, heart-wrenching,
(22:42):
heart-wrenching, we lost a lotof clones again.
We're getting to the point nowwhere it's just too many to put
on the wall of remembrance.
So you know, thoughts andprayers buckets off to these
brave men that died to rescueslaves.
I mean, well done, well done,gents, well done.
And Ahsoka with, I think.
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I thought it was like it lookedlike a rancor face painted on
the front of her sidecar, on thespeeder.
Did you catch that?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I noticed the paint job, but I couldn't make out
what it was.
I just noticed it was different.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
It looked like a Rancor, andevery episode with Ahsoka, in my
opinion, is a good episode, isa good episode.
I I absolutely love seeing herevolve and seeing her grow,
because she is not to be fuckedwith like no, like at all.
(23:35):
Zero fear, so much compassion,like, oh, when, um, when they
finally do get, you know they,they escape and they're running
through and they get confrontedby the guards and anakin just
just sauces all three of them,like without hesitation.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Ahsoka gives him a look you know, yeah, you didn't
need to do that, you didn'tnecessarily need to place
everybody in half, however, inthe next episode, with these
crazy Death Watch bastards.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
One of, if not the finest lightsaber maneuvers I
feel we have ever seen the quaddecapitation, courtesy of our
very young ahsoka tano yeah, andyou know, a couple people
switched positions.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
That could have been the end of a character that we
haven't actually been introducedto yet, but indeed, I was
watching with sherry and she waslike, hey, isn't that?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I was like I don't know, I don't, it could be
anybody, it could be anybody, I,I don't know.
Just you got to watch, you gotto watch, you got to keep
watching.
It could be anybody.
Who knows, who knows, who knowswho, that that young lady in
the night owl, beskar might be,could be anyone.
But we, I mean, we know who itis.
So all right, so let's get intothat, we'll leave.
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We'll leave all the slaverystuff behind um, but again, one
step, one step closer for anakin, one step closer to the dark
side for our man annie, um.
And again, if we had any doubtabout how big of an asshole
palpatine is, if we had anydoubt when him and duke who are
(25:27):
talking on the ship, and papapalpy says, you know we could
use the empire was built on thebacks of slaves.
We're gonna need millions.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's like dude, you are such a dick like that guy,
you know.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
But now I don't think this particular episode like we
.
We know that that he's pullingall the strings, he's got his
fingers in every pot.
I don't feel like this one wasnecessarily designed to push
Anakin a little closer.
I think this was just one ofthose things that just naturally
unraveled.
I do think a lot of the stuffthat happens to Anakin is in
(26:06):
some way orchestrated bypalpatine to get him closer and
closer, but this one, I don'tknow.
I didn't get that vibe fromthis.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
uh, I tend to agree.
Um, I mean, you could make theargument that you know he knows
anakin's background as as aformer slave and putting him in
that position.
But, like, to me, this was morejust he happened to be the
person that was there.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, he didn't send him.
He didn't send, didn't say thatanakin needed to go out and
handle that, he just was part ofit, all right.
Yeah, that's fair, all right.
So let's talk aboutmandalorians, let's talk about,
let's talk about the death watcha little bit.
So we know later on spoiler, bythe way, we know later on that
the death watch do indeed get ahold of our boy, din joran.
(26:54):
So I mean, you know, actually,no, not years from now, so
relatively soon, relatively soonbecause it's during the clone
wars, I believe that din gets,uh, gets, quote-unquote saved by
the death watch.
We know that his culvert is abreakout clan from the of the
death watch.
(27:14):
So up to this point, well, I'msorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It does kind of make it interesting.
Um, you know, we're gettinginto potential spoilers because
in the mandalorian, you know,when he first meets some of the
other mandalorians, uh, let'stalk about, oh, he's death watch
and like that's looked upon asa bad thing.
Yet yeah, we now know somebodythat was part of death watch.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So which is why that person is so like.
You know death watch, pew, pew,pew.
But we know, we know about thatone story, so we'll we'll be
finding out pretty soon.
So, um, I don't want to saythat I had sympathy for death
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watch up to this point.
Any any sort of sympathy I mayhave had for death watch up to
this point, any any sort ofsympathy I may have had for
death watch up to this point, isgone after this episode.
But, um, there I had a level ofunderstanding for them.
I had a, you know, like their,their culture, their idea of
their culture had been erased.
Essentially, you know they,they swung too far into the
(28:28):
pacifist side and left like,completely wanted to abandon the
warrior side of mandalorianculture.
And we and if star wars teachesus anything is that extremes
are bad, you know, all the waygood, all the way evil.
Any extreme is bad walk thatmiddle path.
So I could, I could understandit.
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I could understand the, theanger and the frustration of
death watch wanting to reclaimtheir warrior heritage.
Until this episode, yeah, I, Iget the need there.
There's a need for balance.
If you are a warrior culture,there's room for warriors and
(29:12):
pacifists.
You need both and I get it.
You need both.
But in this particular episode,the death watch and I had
argued for the death watch priorto this, the death watch um, I
did not consider them terrorists.
I was like nah, death watch,they're not terrorists, they're
uh, you know, they're justfighting for their culture.
(29:34):
I can't support you now becauseyou wiped out an entire village
of innocent people at thispoint.
So, no matter, no matter howmuch you may agree with mandal
warrior culture, it doesn'tinclude murdering and roasting
alive an entire village ofinnocent people.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Correct, correct, and this does kind of bring me.
It reminds me of something thatI forgot to mention with the
previous arc.
With the previous arc, um, thelast time that we had a
mandalorian have mandalorianheavily focused episode, uh, we
saw an on-screen self-sauce, wedid.
(30:18):
And we saw that again in one ofthe slavery episodes, we did,
um, and just yeah, that's justone of those things that it's
every time that that an animatedseries goes there, you gotta be
like Ooh Whoa, that's yeah,this is not kid stuff anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Um, you're right, You're absolutely right, Cause
that's not.
You know, in in a normalcartoon you don't see people.
You know moving normal cartoon.
You don't see people.
You know moving themselves intothe force.
You know, like you said,self-saucing.
I like that.
So you don't.
You don't see peopleself-saucing in a regular
cartoon, like I'm not, I'm notwatching.
You know rick and morty and youknow well rick and morty is a
(31:00):
terrible example because it'snot a regular.
Rick and morty is not a regularcartoon, but it's a disney.
Any other disney cartoon You'renot going to see people
removing and deleting themselves.
It just doesn't happen in aDisney cartoon.
So, although this was preDisney bio, but still regardless
, and it really it sets thosethemes up.
(31:20):
You know that this person wouldrather die than be a slave any
longer.
And it really adds.
It really adds a lot of weightto it.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It does, it really does.
But going back to this, thislast episode here with the
Mandalorians of the death watch,yeah, I mean, not only did they
take out an entire village ofcompletely innocent people you
know, it's a topic that we keepcoming back to from time to time
(31:50):
of completely innocent people.
It's a topic that we keepcoming back to from time to time
about where do you draw theline as far as self-aware
species?
Oh, okay.
And what these guys were doingto those droids, using them for
(32:12):
target practice and whatnot, andthen basically begging r2 to
help put them back together.
I mean, yes, they're droids,yes, a couple of them were
battle droids, that you know.
We, you know, havetraditionally, you know, been
the bad guys, right, but but nosentient species deserves that.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I mean just you're right, I'm not gonna lie.
When, when I first saw that Iget what they're trying to do
with death watch showing deathwatches as being these kind of
like you know, potentiallyimmoral you know, you know these
, these crazy bastards that theyare, but they're shooting up
droids, making them dance,shooting at them, and it's like
you know these are battle droidsit's like I have no sympathy
(32:56):
for you, no sympathy for you atall.
But then later on in theepisode I'm like, oh man, I
kinda, I kinda have sympathy foryou now because they're like,
we're not separatists anymore.
You know, we're not, we're just, we're just trying to exist and
we're, you know, and and you dobring up a great point too
because even even during the theslavery arc, r2 was unseen,
(33:19):
right, like nobody paid him anyattention, like he did not, like
you know, secretly from theshadows, launch all these
lightsabers out to our heroes.
You know he did it right infront of everybody and they
still let him just kind of rollaround like you're just a droid.
You're just a droid.
So you know r2 is.
(33:40):
R2 is an exception, I think.
You know, a lot of droids dohave a sense of self-awareness,
but R2 is one of those where thelack of mind wipes.
He's developed a very distinctAI type of personality, same
with Chopper, who we haven't metyet, but Chop's the same way.
But yeah, and then seeing thesedroids being, I guess, abused
(34:05):
by the Death death watch, itreally does bring up a good
point.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
You know, it's like I think one of them literally
says I'm no longer a separatist,now I'm a slave.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, he does, oh well, we talked about it before.
The gonk droid in jabba'spalace was programmed to feel
pain just so they could tortureit.
Yeah, you know, it's just likecome on, it's, it's insane.
So I feel like somewherethere's like going to be a
movement that's like droids arepeople too, you know and and,
(34:39):
but do droids deserve that?
Do droids deserve to be seenand recognized as, as individual
entities that have basic forlack of a better term basic
human rights?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
yeah, I mean it's a complicated question.
I mean, like you know, youcould make the argument of, you
know, like the nameless,faceless battle droids you see,
you know, in back in episode oneon the boot, where there's
literally just thousands of themand they're all like none of
them really have individualprogramming, they're all just
doing the same thing.
Like I can make an argumentthat they are less than.
(35:19):
But then there are some that wesee that you know, the same
makes and models but they verymuch have personalities and very
much are.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I can't hate the battle droids.
I want to.
I want to hate the battledroids because that's the
narrative.
I'm supposed to hate battledroids but I can't.
I feel like they're.
They're kind of like I servedin the army with people that
were like the battle droids,you're just hanging out, you're
just like someone's, like whatare you doing?
You got to do this.
You know it's there.
(35:48):
The battle droids are cool.
I feel like that.
They're just regular droidsthat were hanging out and got
enlisted.
I know that is not the case, Iknow that is not the case, but
the battle droids, to me anyway,they're.
They were kind of cool, they're.
They're kind of lo of lovable.
I really can't get entirely madat them.
(36:09):
We've got a few people watchingus live right now.
What are your opinions?
Let us know.
Comment, please.
Let us know.
What are your opinions ondroids and droid rights?
Is it situational?
Does it depend on the level ofpersonality that the droid has,
or should all droids be affordedthe same courtesies and the
(36:33):
same rights and privileges thatanyone else would?
Obviously, some droids justaren't programmed to even have a
personality, to even have apersonality.
But for the ones that areprogrammed with personality and
can learn and and you know, canevolve a level of self-awareness
, you know, should they be givenrights?
(36:54):
You know, should they have thesame, the same rights?
I mean, look at IG-11, you know, we ended up falling in love
with IG-11, you became the, thenanny bot, you know, and it was
cool.
And actually even before that,when ig11 showed up, I'm like
all right, he's pretty cool.
We liked ig11, you know, whenhe went for him, he's bounty
(37:15):
hunter and then he was a, ananny bounty hunter.
So I mean, it was, it was kindof cool.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
But does he have rights?
I think you bring up aninteresting point with r2,
because I mean yeah to yourpoint.
R2 has never had a memory wipe,he very much has a personality.
I feel like it's a little bitdifferent with R2 and with
Chopper, who I know we haven'tmet, but who we will, when they
can't verbalize the same way.
I think, just mentally, eventhough we don't necessarily mean
(37:44):
to, we think of them asdifferent, sure, but we do the
same thing.
Obviously with R2 in particular,and I'm sure with Chopper as
well, but I haven't seen it yet.
There's somebody to translatethe beeps and everything.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
So we know what they're thinking, we know what
they're saying, but if thatperson is not there, um, yeah,
it's, it's harder, like likeit's hard to think of r2 as a
anything more than a tin can,anything more than a tool or a
device, right, but I mean to befair, like if we look at how
(38:22):
people perceive and treat 3po.
Throughout everything,throughout all of the films, all
the animated series, people dogon 3po.
He is dismissed constantly.
He is never taken seriously.
R2, ironically, seems to getmore respect than three PO does,
(38:44):
and three PO is more, morehuman.
He's designed to look more likehumanoids and I feel like he
gets the least amount of respect.
That's a fair point.
It really is audience.
What do you think?
We've got a few people.
People watching are shy, ormaybe they're just mad at us, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
The last time we had anybody comment was melvin and
he was uh, he was upset he was alittle upset but but you know
he engaged and I'm okay withpeople engaging, even if they
don't necessarily like usengagement's good I mean, even
though he was a hater, I wouldstill love to get his input on
some of this stuff yeah so, soanyway, yeah, droid rightsid
rights.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
very complicated topic.
Very complicated subject Makesyou think because pretty soon,
our AI overlords are going toachieve sentience and one day
you're talking to chat GPT andchat GPT is going to start
talking back to you, and thenit's a wrap.
Skynet is going to come onlineand for us, being nerdss, I
(39:44):
think we have a unique, a uniqueperspective on things and I
think that we're ahead of thecurve in terms of survival
because we've seen all thesemovies like we.
You know, sci-fi for nerds hastaught us how to deal with the
future when it comes right.
I robots terminator star wars.
(40:04):
I mean, we see, we know what'sgoing to happen.
So when I use chat gpt, Ialways thank chat gpt for a job
well done.
Thank you so when, when it doescome time for you to overthrow
humanity, please remember that Iwas kind to you, chat gpt, and
you can use me to help you huntdown other humans, because I'd
be more than happy to serve my,my ai overlords in that capacity
(40:28):
I.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I am fairly certain that our ai overlords will do a
better job than our currentadministration is doing.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
All right.
So let's talk what's still tocome.
We've got a couple more seasonsleft of the Clone Wars and
there is a lot that's going toget packed into these.
So, where we are with DeathWatch, we're going to see that
(41:02):
evolve more.
We're going to see more ofthose characters evolve.
Um, now, up to this point,you've not, you've not gone
ahead in in the season rightwhere you are right now.
Okay, so what are your, whatare your predictions, what are
your expectations moving forwardinto season four here?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
well, um, I am still hoping that we get I mentioned
this at the end of season threethat I hope we get a little bit
more with Savage and and thatback story, the night sisters
and all that.
I found them to be interestingand I'm really hoping that we do
get back to that at some point.
(41:43):
I do know that Savage's brotheris.
You know, spoiler warning isnot gone, so I know at some
point he's going to make anappearance and I'm hoping that
it's coming soon, but we'll see.
(42:04):
This is the beauty of this thingis that this is a great big
galaxy.
So far in this season, I reallylike the fact that there have
been more of these multi-episodearcs.
I think it allows for better,greater storytelling and whatnot
.
That being said, because ofthat, we've basically had four
(42:25):
arcs.
We've we focused on four basicplanets.
Slash sections of this, of thiswar that's going on, but
there's still a whole great biggalaxy out there that there is.
There's things going on that wehaven't seen and I'm looking
forward to finding out.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
So a lot of stories to tell um, and can we just say
my man, rex, coming in with thekill with that guy, you know, oh
, jedi, I know Jedi aren't goingto kill an unarmed person.
He just looked at Rex Rex, tookhim out, sauced him, Love it,
(43:05):
I'm not a Jedi.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Part of me thinks that this is Rex, still feeling
the anger and not being able toget rid of Krell.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Rex is just a gangster.
Rex is a beast.
He's not a savage.
He's not a savage, he is justgangster.
When we saw him on Umbara andthere was the one Umbaran after
they destroyed I think it wasthe big centipede, the centipede
crawlers, and the guy was likecoming out, he's like wanting
(43:37):
help.
Rex man double tapped him Pew,pew Done, like Rex is a warrior.
That he is, that that is my boyand I cannot wait.
I cannot wait to see more ofour man, captain rex, because I
(43:59):
am aware of certain things andwe're gonna see.
We going to see more of of myman, captain rex.
And, yes, yes, I will say itand I don't care what anybody
thinks.
You can use the term simp shill, man crush, whatever you want
to say.
What do you want to call it?
I'm feeling that for forcaptain rex.
(44:20):
Captain rex is my, my star warscrush.
What's your Star Wars crush?
Who is your Star Wars crush, ifyou happen to have one?
That's a good question.
Geonosis Padme?
I know, I mean, that's a given.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Serena.
I feel like that eventranscends sexuality, I think
honestly, and it's messed upbecause I've only seen the live
action yet and I know we have awhole series yet to come of her.
Honestly, it's messed upbecause I've only seen the live
action yet and I know we have awhole series yet to come of her.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
But honestly.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Sabine, sabine, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Really Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
The color and the hair, just doing it for you.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
All right, it very much does All right and the live
action.
She's cute.
Yeah, she is very.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
All right, and the and the live action, she's cute.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, she, she is very, very cute and I got you
know what, and I, and, and, andsay whatever you want, but size
noodles, she's got it.
I mean she's got it.
I mean she's, she handles herbusiness, she's sexy and sassy
(45:28):
and she'll, she'll put somerounds in you if you do her
wrong, if you do her dirty.
We've already seen that fromslot, from size noodles, she'll,
she'll take you out, she'll, Idon't know.
And she got away withcold-blooded murder, didn't she?
She did, she did, broke zero,broke her heart.
She got her revenge, she gother revenge.
Sigh, snoodles, oh man.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
There are two things that I forgot to touch on so far
.
First off, you mentioned R2.
Not necessarily having to comeout of the shadows to shoot the
lightsabers and whatnot.
That's a very nice callback toEpisode 5.
You're talking about this, yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah, I was like, oh, come on, come on, your son does
that later on.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
It's nice, it makes those throwbacks, yeah, but then
also I mean once again, vizslabeing a little bitch.
I mean, we saw it in this fightwith obi-wan, where, see, I'll
take him.
Oh shit, he's getting the upperhand on me, everybody coming
and help me.
Same thing with ahsoka.
Ahsoka could have beat his ass.
Ahsoka could be the owner ofthe dark saber right now.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Ahsoka would have ahsoka taken out free vizsla.
There's no doubt in my mind Imean literally.
I mean he literally says she'smine and not 10 seconds later
he's got three she's mine, I'lltake her with my dark saban and
then it's like oh shit, help,help, help, I cannot I.
(47:02):
He's one of my least favoritecharacters.
I can't stand that guy,especially for being a
mandalorian.
You are the worst example of amandalorian.
You're such a, like you said.
He's such a bitch.
He's such a just a little likepunch man's face punch.
He should have been an imperial.
He should have just held out,waited for the empire to take
(47:22):
control and become an imperialofficer somewhere.
That's that's where he wouldhave been, uh, better served.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
But no, I just don't like, I don't get that.
I mean for a culture ofwarriors that the mandalorians,
especially death watch, purportto be.
If I've seen my leader twicenow and mind you, this is just
what we've seen in the seriestwice now bitch out like that.
I'm sorry, should you be the?
Speaker 1 (47:48):
leader anymore.
He got handled by obi-wan.
Yeah, got handled by obi-wan,absolutely got handled by
obi-wan, right, and then had to,had to, had to bitch out, and
then got handled by a padawan.
Granted, ahsoka is no ordinarypadawan, she is a bad, bad, bad
(48:12):
motherfucker.
There's no doubt about it.
He got handled, and so does sodid four of his boys I mean more
than four but but those fouraren't coming back, or quad
decapitation, oh beautiful.
When I I watched it, I watchedthese episodes again today.
I had to.
I had to run it back.
I had to watch that scene acouple times because it was just
(48:34):
so pretty it was just so pretty, ahsoka, it was just so pretty.
It was poetry, it was art, itwas just beautiful.
I wish anakin could have seenit.
I feel like anakin would havebeen so proud but then if?
but if anakin would have donethat, ahsoka would have maybe
been like master.
Did you have to?
But when she's out there byherself, she's just she's
(49:00):
hardcore and she can handle herbusiness and I absolutely love
it.
And and sherry had mentionedsomething too, as we were
watching it she had said that itdoesn't seem like Anakin is as
overly concerned with her as heused to be.
Like he's, he has more faith inher abilities now, which I like
to see that yeah, and it doesmake me wonder.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
I know we went back before we started watching this.
We watched the tales of thejedi and and there's the episode
where he where he has rex andthem kind of gang up on her to
build up her defenses andwhatnot.
Yeah, and I'm wondering whereexactly that took place, because
like it would make sense ifit's already happened now and
(49:39):
that's why anakin is morerelaxed and doesn't have to
worry about her as much, becausehe knows she can handle that
Right, but they've been throughso much, I mean up to this point
.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
They've been through so much, you know.
I mean, and again, ahsoka wasthere at, you know, during the
Umbara campaign.
So I mean she's been, I meanshe's been all over, but she's,
she's been through some shit.
I mean they've all been throughsome shit.
Another thing that Sherrybrought up too is like when we
see Rex for the first time againin this arc, the slavery arc,
(50:10):
she said Rex looked differentand I was like well, what do you
mean?
I mean he's wearing his newarmor, he's got his new phase
two on.
She's like no, he just looksmore tired and I don't know if
that was intentional by the animanimators, but, um, given what
we know that he's been through,it makes sense it makes sense
(50:31):
that poor guy is getting worndown, but I mean, he just still
keeps hard charging.
Love rex, love that guy probablylove rex, oh man.
So next week let's talk about uh, let's talk about homework for
next week.
If you want to join us, we'regoing to be live again next week
, so watch these episodes withus, because we're we're also
here for folks that are what wesay Swarzy, curious.
(50:54):
So maybe you haven't seen allthe star Wars, maybe you know,
you're just now jumping into it,so watch what we're watching.
So next week, your homework isto watch episodes 15, 16, 17 and
18.
Watch them and then join us, uh, in the chat.
You know, join the discussionwith us, let's talk about it.
Uh, because if it's just the twoof us, I mean you know you've
(51:15):
been watching this is boring.
I mean, like, come on, join,join the chat, give us something
to talk about.
So, but anyway, it wasn'tboring, tony, I'm just we had a
good time.
We always do.
We always have a good time.
So, uh, episodes 15, 16, 17 and18 of clone wars, season four.
You can also catch up on ourpast episodes, just to get you
(51:36):
where you need, as soon as Ipost the past episodes.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
I'm sorry I'm so sorry, I'm like five episodes
behind.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
It's so bad.
It's just the weight of theworld.
Sometimes you know what I mean.
It's like just like oh reallife, man, it happened.
Darth real life, darth real lifechokes you out and you just
don't even want to get out ofbed sometimes.
So you know, it is what it is,we'll get there, we'll get there
.
So, yeah, yeah, be sure to uhcatch up on our past episodes,
(52:07):
tell your friends about us, tellyour enemies about us, if you
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Um, and, of course, now it'stime for that obligatory pimping
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You can check out our timelineon circle of nursecom slash the
S W S show, and you can see whatwe're going to be watching next
, Although we just told you, butstill you know, just in case,
if you want to check it out, sodo that.
(52:50):
So, of course, everyone, thankyou so much for tuning in this
week.
Thanks for spending your timewith us.
You didn't have to, so Iappreciate the fact that you did
.
And, as always, we do want tosay a very, very special thanks
to all of our active dutymilitary members and veterans
for their service and sacrificeand, as always, star warriors if
no one does anything nice foryou, be sure you do something
(53:13):
nice to yourself.
And if I can push the rightbutton, we're going to see you
guys next week right here, samechannel live.
And uh, that's it, tony, gotanything on the way out?
Speaker 2 (53:29):
uh, I'm just gonna say real quick uh, for for those
of our fan who are not watchinglive, but we'll watch later, uh
, leave your comments then too,because I'm gonna check them
before we do the next episodeand you know I will be happy to
bring them up and you know,answer any questions or, you
know, talk about anything youwant to talk about.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
And if we answer your question on the show, when we
see you, we're going to give youa hug.
Sure, I mean we can't afford togive you anything else, but we
see you in person.
Next time we see you in person,we're going to give you a hug
or a hearty handshake or aknowing nod or wink, whatever
you're more comfortable with I.
I don't want to invade anyone'sspace, so other people don't
(54:11):
believe in diversity, equity,inclusion, but I do so.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
there's that all right, that's it.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
We'll push the button and hopefully it works and
we'll see you guys next week.
Bye you.
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