Clone Wars Rewatch-Season 4: Episodes 4-6

We dive into Clone Wars Season 4 episodes featuring Gungans and droids while exploring deeper themes about citizenship and sentience in the Star Wars universe.

• The Gungan-focused "Shadow Warrior" episode portrays them as a capable military force rather than comic relief
• General Grievous is captured by just ten Gungans, showcasing their effectiveness against droids
• Jar Jar Binks impersonates the Gungan leader and shows surprising competence
• R2-D2 and C-3PO's standalone adventures in "Mercy Mission" and "Nomad Droids" were the least-watched episodes in the series
• These episodes raise interesting questions about droid sentience and whether artificial intelligence deserves rights
• The conversation explores how beings hierarchically classify others as "second-class citizens" even within oppressed groups
• Next week's live episode will cover the emotionally powerful Umbara arc

Join us next week for our live discussion of the Umbara arc! Watch episodes 7-10 of Season 4 and bring your tissues – it's going to be an emotional ride.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's all right.
Star Trek is awesome andCaptain Pike, god damn, he's a
sexy, sexy motherfucker with abeard without a beard.
Oh, anyway, let's do some StarWars shit, shall we Coming up
this week?
Droids, gungans and clonesbeing assholes.
It's the Clone Wars season.
Four episodes four, five andsix right here on your Star Wars

(00:23):
safe space, stick around.
6 right here on your Star Warssafe space, stick around.
Speaking of bangers, that's abanger right?

(00:44):
Yeah, the only one thatfeelsers that's a banger right.
Yeah, it is.
I'm not the only one that feelsthat way.
That is a banger of an introtrack.
I absolutely love it, everysingle time.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Four nerds on a Friday night just bobbing their
heads with their webcam.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
That's it.
What else is there?
There's nothing else better inlife.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
The new Pop Funko series coming out.
These four Us Are we the newbobbleheads.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
The bobbleheads yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
The only thing better in life is to hear the
lamentation of the women, todrive your enemies before you
and to hear the lamentation ofthe women, if you know, you know
I got dark, but okay, no, Idon't know what is best in life.
No, no, conan man, conan theBarbarian, the Barbarian.

(01:30):
What is best in life?
No, no, conan man, conan thebarbarian, the barbarian.
Yeah, arnold the original, thetalk show host.
Hey, conan, what is best?

Speaker 4 (01:32):
in life.
I mean, you never know, younever know what is best in life.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
And he says uh to uh, to crush your enemies, see them
driven before you.
And to hear the lamentations ofthe women, like I'm not gonna
even try to do his voice, butjust think of a gigantic young
Arnold in his prime and, andsaying that he was a slave at
the time to is sitting therechilling on a fucking map table
tan oily skin tan oily skin, nota hair on his body not a hair,

(02:00):
and I know I might be gay.
I have a lot of male crushes.
But crash, like you said, nursechapel, smoking, smoking hot,
smoking hot and rebecca romaineboy and for her to do a sci-fi
show.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
That was a get, I mean.
I mean, well, she was x-men too.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, that's pretty sci-fi.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Anyway, we're talking about star wars, but we need to
do like a, like a.
We need to do a circle of nerdsshow again where we just talk
about everything.
We need to get that shit going.
We really really do anyway.
So, howdy star warriors, let meread my script, because
otherwise I'm gonna go off.
Welcome to star wars, say space, you're not toxic, low sodium
star wars show.
That does make you feel bad fornot knowing that.

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The 1985 droids animated seriestakes place between revenge of
the sith and a new hope.
So around 15 bby.
So, whether you're a hardcorefan or just a little swarzy,
curious, this is your star warssafe space.
And uh, guys, gals andnon-binary pals, boy, do we need
a safe space these days, don'twe?

(03:02):
A lot of stuff going on in theworld.
That's why we escape into therealm of science, fantasy and
hang out and play around in theStar Wars galaxy like we do.
So we are the Circle of Nerdsand we do, in fact, love Star
Wars very, very much, even whenwe don't always like it.
So let's meet the crew, shallwe?

(03:25):
I will attempt to push a buttonand uh, that's you.
There we go nobody's.
And there and there, that wasyou, so, uh, joining us.
As always, our longtime castmember, technical difficulties,
so we are very, very happy tohave them back on the show.

(03:47):
They are technical difficultiesand Daddy Louie here are
getting along splendidly.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
We're having a great time over here in Bostween.
How's the weather out there?
Bostween and Daddy Louie, hellochildren, it's cold.
How's the weather there?
Very Of Boston.
We and Daddy Louie, hellochildren, it's cold.
How's the weather there?
Very fucking cold, so fuckingcold.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
It's cold and it's snowy and it just sucks and it
makes me want to know why we'renot doing this show from
literally anywhere south ofwhere we are now.
Can we do a show in the Bahamas?
Can we do Circle of Nerds?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Can, can we do circle of nerds on location?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
yeah, I like that on location circle of nerds crew.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Cruise circle of nerds crew I would love to go on
a group cruise, like I've beenon cruises before.
Like you know, I've I've gonewith my wife and, yeah, and our
kids.
But I think, going as a groupcruise, like I've been on
cruises before, like you know,I've I've gone with my wife and
yeah, and our kids, but I thinkgoing as a group of people
together, oh yeah, I so fun.
Seven days of zeroresponsibilities, zero like you

(04:57):
don't have to take care ofnothing and I've never been on a
cruise.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
And do you have you?
Have you been on many cruises?
Have you been?

Speaker 4 (05:04):
on many cruises.
I have been on three cruises.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I would classify that as many, because I've been on
zero cruises and they're fun.
They seem boring to me.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, I think they're fun.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
That's the point.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
I mean, I'm an all-inclusive kind of person.
I love places that areall-inclusive, where I don't
have to worry about shit.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
And that's the cruise ships, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
You worry about nothing.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
You don't just sit and look at the water.
Right, there's stuff to do onthe ship.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah, there's, entertainment and they have
activities and so many differentplaces and things to eat and
try, can you fish?

Speaker 1 (05:45):
No Like off the side of the boat, the ship, the
vessel.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
No, I don't think that's allowed.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
That seems like a missed opportunity.
I just feel like that's likeyou should do some deep sea
fishing off the back of the boat, right.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
I think the boat moves too fast for that.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Fish move pretty fucking fast.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
I don't know them cruise ships, they freaking go.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Are they going?
I've heard of some excursions.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
You go to some of those islands.
They might have fishing.
When you go to an island andyou hang out for a day, you
might do a little fishing andthen go back to your big-ass
boat.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
All right, so not to go totally off track here, I've
got to tell you the craziestexcursion story off of a cruise.
So, like Crash just said, you goto these places and then you
know, along the cruise route youstop at different places and
then you get off the boat andyou go and explore for the day,
then you get back on the boatand go about your about your

(06:38):
line Anyway.
So I've been to many differentplaces going on all these
different cruises.
One of the things that wedecided to do on this place was
known for swimming with pigsSwimming with pigs.
So imagine for a moment, justbecause I was there.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I don't appreciate the insult, sir.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Okay, listen, just because I was there.
I don't appreciate the insult,sir.
Okay, all right, listen.
Imagine, imagine, like you knowthey talk about like goat yoga,
right doing yoga with goats.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
You know or you don't know, goat yoga.
Come on, I don't know yoga.
No, what the I don't?

Speaker 4 (07:22):
I don't know yoga, yoga, kitty cafes, cafes, you
know, like no puppy.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I must leave.
Puppy playtime sounds like youcould take that a couple of
different ways.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
I don't know, but I think things that you would
normally do without an animalthat you do with an animal.
That makes it fun and cute.
Anyway, they advertise it aslittle pigletslets, you know,
like who wouldn't want to goswimming with little piglets?
Okay, so we do this thing, allright.
We get to the water.
They take everybody, we're allin our bathing suits and stuff

(07:54):
in the ocean and they're likethe ocean.
Yes, yes, the ocean.
We're an island, the ocean.
Okay.
So they had, they had all of usgo like in the ocean, right.
So we're all about, you know,shin to knee deep in ocean water
, okay they're like basicallyrelease the pigs, bro, these
were some big fucking pigs sonot piglets, not little.

(08:18):
You're with hogs like straighthogs and what do you think pigs
do throughout the day other thaneat?
So now you're in the water andthere's kids and stuff that are
like waist deep in the water andmom starts screaming.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
And there's kids and stuff that are like waist deep
in the water and mom startsscreaming and I'm like Jake, you
can't even breathe.
You're waist deep in shittypygmy ocean water.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
And there's, there's, you know, we're in a foreign
country, obviously so there'sone guy.
So there's one guy who's, youknow we're in a foreign country,
obviously so.
There's one guy who's, you know, like you know, taking people's
pictures for tips.
And then there's another guywho's, like you know, like,
feeding the pigs and making surethat the pigs are paying
attention so they can get thepicture.
And then there's a third guy,literally with a trash bin and a

(09:22):
shovel.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
And then there's a third guy literally with a Trash
bag and a shovel, and a shovelOut of the water so that it's
not in people's hands, oh my god.
So wait.
You said you're in a foreigncountry.
Are you like in Somalia, orwhat country?
Where are you?
Where they're swimming withFucking pigs?
I don't know.
You said in Jamaica, mexico,mexico.

(09:43):
They're swimming with fuckingpigs.
It's in Mexico, man, I don'tknow what to tell you.
Is it in Jamaica, mexico,mexico, mexico?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I just feel like if I was a oh my God dude.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
I got out of that water, so fucking fast yeah,
yeah.
People and.
And then you know, it's like acar accident.
You don't want to look at it,but you can't look away.
You just see these kids andtheir moms, like picking their
kids up, screaming, and then youhave this other family of

(10:15):
Germans off to the side, liketake our photo.
You know like it's so?
Like I'm just like what ishappening right now.
I'm expecting these littlepiglets to come up and like
float on the water.
There was turds the size ofpiglets floating on the water so
okay, right away, that I dareyou.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
So you, you paid in advance for this, I assume oh
yeah, it was part of like apackage deal.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
It was like it was.
Was that lunch and then twohours on the other side of the
island on an actual resort beach.
This was very shady.
It was this little cove withtwo dudes at the front.
You know, slip me five bucksand I'll let you come in here,

(11:03):
kind of thing.
And we get there and they theywhen we, when you walk down this
path, and when we first gotthere, they were like benches so
that people could sit like kindof facing someone who was going
to stand up and tell you youknow what was going on.
So we're all sitting there forlike 20 minutes and there's no
one that has come and saidanything to us.

(11:24):
And finally a person comesaround and he's basically like
all right, this is what's gonnahappen.
We're all gonna go out to thewater, you're gonna stand there,
we're gonna release the pigs,they're gonna come, we'll get
their attention.
Photo, photo, photo.
Pet pig leave.
Okay, no problem.
Again, if you look at theadvertisement, they're like

(11:46):
little pigs, they're not giantpig, I mean you're not gonna get
in the water with a wild boarwho would do that?
I'm?
I'm saying, these were likehogs full-size hogs, I mean the
biggest pigs you've ever seen inyour life.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Like they were, like I mean they weren't cute, cute,
oink, oink they were all I canthink about is like the, the two
dudes, because the way that youmade the one dude sound, he's
clearly either in a cartel orhe's what is from prison,

(12:25):
because these guys had to havesat around and be like man, what
do we?
What are we gonna do, man?
We can't get jobs, let's, butwe have these pigs, so let's,
let's.
And we know the pigs like thewater and the pigs like the
water, so we get to, we get togive the pigs a bath, and then

(12:46):
we could sell this to tourists.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
That's exactly what it felt like when we left.
We're like well, what justhappened?

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Those guys are never there.
Those guys are never there.
They just happened to be therethat day and they were like you
know what?

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Hey, let's see if we can get these tourists to swim
with us for money.
Like when a person just walksout in the middle of the road
and they're like pay me and I'lllet you park in this parking
spot.
Yeah, that happens all the timeover in Europe.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Oh, actually, you know what?

Speaker 4 (13:15):
In touristy places.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
When we were in Boston, there were people.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Oh yeah, I remember that Selling their driveways,
basically Give me 50 bucks inSalem and you could stay in my
driveway.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
I didn't see any pigs , though.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
It paid way more than 50 bucks to swim with those
pigs.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
So I just have one question.
You said, lunch was included.
Was there any sausage or bacon?

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I mean, the pigs were already salted from the water,
right exactly?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I'm pretty sure we have cheeseburgers how do you
aptitude test a pig?

Speaker 1 (13:53):
oh, look at your dog paddle I mean as long as they
can swim, right yeah, it wasn'teven like a local cuisine.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
It was like a cheeseburger and french fries,
or like a slice of pizza whichtasted like it came from a fifth
grade cafeteria and you'retrying to sell the cruise
experience on us right now andyou're not doing okay so yeah,
do your research before you bookexcursions.
Sometimes paying a little moremoney pays off.

(14:22):
Don't go with what cheap stops.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
You get what you pay for, All right.
So 2026, let's call it now 2026.
We're going to go to Galaxy'sEdge and then do a Disney cruise
.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Ooh.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah.
I've never been on a cruise soif I'm going to do it, I might
as well fucking go big or gohome.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
A Disney cruise would be fun.
Disney cruise I've heard goodthings.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I have heard good things, and then we combine it
with some galaxies edge time.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Hopefully I will have a scouting report for you later
this year on that.
My family's actually talkingabout doing a Disney cruise.
I haven't heard nothing aboutno pigs, women or anything crazy
.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Anybody ever tells you to do any kind of swimming
with any farm animal.
You say no, thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Well, I mean, I'll just put it out there None of us
are in great shape People.
We can charge people money toswim with us, and we're minor
celebrities and we can cosplayas pigs.
We can put pig costumes on andjust go for it.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
I'm not sure I'd pay for that.
I'm just saying Somebody would.
Somebody would pay.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
With pig masks on.
Someone's going to pay for that.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
This is getting dark fast.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
All right, let's continue on.
Pilot of the Infamous.
We're still doing intros.
We're still doing the fuckingintros.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Pilot of the Infamous Harm 15 minutes and we're
supposed to do the fucking intro.
Pilot of the infamous harm offlyer.
It's crash, hi folks.
I don't know how to top that,so I'll just say I'm locked and
ready to go.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
You can't follow that up like that's the show.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
That's a wrap game over man game over man and
hailing from parts unknown.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
It is t to the oni aka jedi master ba loni welcome
back to the galaxy everybodyhope you're enjoying the show so
far, I hope so too this is allwe got, and I am tommy d, you're
uh slightly obnoxious.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Star wars know it all .
So what are we doing here?
Well, we're fucking off.
That's what we're doing but ourmission is to watch all of the
canon star wars films and tvshows in chronological order,
breaking them down, connectingthe dots and learning more about
star wars and maybe even alittle bit about ourselves as we
go.
So word of warning to all youwould-be star warriors there
will be spoilers.

(16:38):
Uh, the biggest spoiler thisweek is that these episodes
sucked and they were just trash,and I'm really, really hoping
that we've got somebody on thecrew here to change my mind.
So season four started out withwar, underwater war, people
getting fucking sauced,obliterated, and then there was

(17:01):
droids and Jar Jar again.
What a way to fumble a followup with this little mini arc and
then a standalone.
So someone talk me down,because I love the Clone Wars
and I love, I always tell peopleseason four.
Season four is the shit.

(17:22):
Season four has got like, ifI'm not mistaken, mistaken it's
like 95 plus on rotten tomatoes.
Not that rotten tomatoes meansshit, to be honest, because it's
like, you know, rotten tomatoscore based off of four reviews,
like so.
But for an animated series, um,and a star wars animated series
to boot, to get that kind ofrating, it's pretty good.

(17:43):
So season four is, uh, highlyregarded and season seven as
well, but for the most part,season four is uh one of the
best.
However, uh, the first episodeum episode three, right no four
episode.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Episode four shadow warrior.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, that was.
I think I had a bunch of notesand they're all fucking gone.
Um, that was like the lowestviewed episode in the series.
Um, let me double check.
I think I think it was.
I think it was, uh, shadow waror no.

(18:25):
I think it was no mercy mission.
Mercy mission was the one.
That's the one, let me see.
Yeah, mercy mission was theleast watched episode of the
entire series, with only 1.35million views.
But 1.35 million views seemspretty fucking good.
I wish we got 1.35 millionviews, but uh yeah, it was.

(18:47):
Uh, it was like the the least,the least viewed, but we'll get
to.
We'll get to mercy mission anduh and nomad droids, but uh,
first let's talk about shadowwarrior.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I, I guess all right, you know what I'm gonna start
this off off, because I feellike you need a bit of
positivity here.
I do, please.
I actually thought that thisepisode was interesting.
I'm not going to go so far asto say it was good, but I will
say it was interesting.
In particular, coming off ofthe previous arc, I find it

(19:21):
interesting that they areshowing Gungans in a light, that
they are showing Gungans in aIn a light that they are a
relevant species.
Yeah, I mean, between you knowthem, you know their entire arc
in in the last, in the last setof episodes, you know using them
as an effective army, and then,and this up and then, in this

(19:45):
episode, you know theseparatists trying to turn the
gungans against the nabooians.
Uh, I mean, I think it wasfascinating, especially because
you know, when we see them inlive action, they're almost
treated as an afterthought and ajoke.
The entire species is true, andso I thought it was really
interesting to see them actuallyhave some relevance.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
But we got that in the last arc, though, and we got
that with the underwater stuff.
They saved the day.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
We did get that in the last arc, but I think it's
important that it wasn't just aone-off.
I mean it plays into the waythe Separatists have realized
hey, these guys are actually auseful species if you can get
them on your side.
So, like it directly plays intohaving seen how effective they
could be in that last arc, whythey would want to take them

(20:33):
over and and influence them theway that they did here okay,
fair.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
So let's let's break it down, because I, louis, you
said you haven't seen these yetI have not, no, okay.
So basically, what happens isthere's this guy, there's
another Gungan, he's working.
His name is Rishi Lou, which Ithink is a reference to.
It's a play on three musketeers, yeah, so and he even had like
a bone in his nose to look likethe mustache.

(20:59):
So it was, it was.
It was cute.
Cheesy.
Try to get the Gungans toattack feed and he's using a
magic necklace to brainwash the,the new Gungan boss.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Sounds terrible.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Anakin and Padme are there for some reason because it
just doesn't seem right thatthe Gungans would want to
suddenly attack feed.
And then come to find out,anakin realizes that it's an
enchanted necklace that Rishi Luis using because he's in league
with Dooku.
And then Grievous comes down tohelp support the Gungan army oh

(21:44):
, grievous.
And so we get to see Grievousbe growling, I guess, and he
kills a couple Gungans and thenhe gets captured by the gungans.
And then they, and then, uh,dooku says, well, we've got a
captured skywalker, and then wecan trade skywalker for grievous

(22:06):
.
And that's exactly whathappened.
So they, they lured anakin intoa trap.
He, you know, he does all right, but he gets fucked up.
It's, you know, four of those,uh, what is it?
The omega droids?
mega droids mega, mega mangamanga manga magna magna, not the
maga droids, those are.
That's what's funny in thecountry right now.
Are the maga droids?
No, no, the mag uh, magnadroids and dooku.

(22:30):
So four of them plus dooku.
You know anakin did what hecould, but you know he ended up
getting fucked up.
So then they do the trade.
And what is interesting aboutthis is that still, although
they were literally during the,the prisoner swap, they were
literally inches away from eachother and still anakin and

(22:52):
grievous have not seen eachother yet until in the live
action that we see.
You know, he's like oh, you'reshorter than I imagine, so
they're still really walkingthat fucking tightrope of
maintaining continuity.
Because anakin was unconsciousand grievous was wearing some
kind of like a shock helmet, sohe wasn't able to look down and

(23:13):
see Annika, but that's.
And then you know.
So it comes out that that RishiLu was the fucking asshole he
gets sauced.
And, yeah, jar Jar had toimpersonate the new boss because
he got stabbed.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
The new boss and Jar Jar have a very.
They notice the new leader getsstabbed by rishalu and while
they're in the hospital with him, they notice jar jar looks a
lot like the you know the jokebeing people.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
You know humans think all gungans look the same and
he says that jar jar said thathe's like not all, not all
gungans look alike.
Yeah, I mean, he literally saysthat.
So I, that was funny.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
And it was kind of funny.
It is an interesting thing.
I agree with Tony Of the threethat we're talking about tonight
, this was the best episode ofthe bunch in that if you look
back at the Phantom Menace andthe Naboo invasion and the Naboo
invasion, that the, theseparatists, were already trying
to exploit, that relationshipbetween the Naboo and the

(24:15):
Gungans and and from within, youknow, the idea that somebody
would rally the Gungan warriorsto attack their allies seems so
far fetched If you were watchingPhantom Menace.
And then all of a sudden, inthe middle of this war, Duke is
like I'm going to stir this pot,I'm going to stir this pot, I'm
going to stir this pot, I'mgoing to stir this pot, I'm

(24:36):
going to stir this pot to hisadvantage.
So as for a not so great, youknow, a lot of times I like to
say you know, filler episode isis, you know, prequel?
Not this time.
It's just a, it's just aone-off, but it's there.
There are some interestingthemes at play and one of his,
the Gungans wanting to betreated as an equal partner on
their own planet.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Right and that's fair .
And we do get to see Palpatinepulling strings, so he pops in
for a brief cameo, you know, andhe's like this is not good, I'm
not happy, I'm not pleased thisis unfortunate and you know
Palpatine being Palpatine.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I'm just going to say you know what For an episode
featuring Jar Jar?
For Jar Jar to be one of themore capable people in the
episode and, quite frankly, morecapable at what he was asked to
do than Anakin was.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Because he is the Sith Lord behind all of it, and
this is just more proof of that,that he was able to pull this
off.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Come on who's really pulling the strings here and
honestly, it's the thing, one ofthe things tommy likes to talk
about.
You know, we talk aboutanakin's love being his weakness
and it's exploitable.
We get to see the flip side ofit.
You know duke, who's literallygiving pad made the.
You know the impossible choice.
You know give me my general orI'll kill your jedi, whether he
knows they're a thing or not butwho?

Speaker 1 (25:56):
but?
Who turned him on to that?
Who told him to do it?

Speaker 3 (25:59):
I don't know if he, I don't know if he knows
explicitly about theirrelationship or he's just saying
look, I kill your jedi friend,give me my general back.
Well, but that's the thing theyhad vulnerability to padme had
that chink in the armor too.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yes, and Palpatine knew it.
That's why he told Dooku tomake that happen, otherwise they
wouldn't have even tried tocapture Anakin.
But Palpatine knows 100%because Jar Jar told him,
because Jar Jar knows so Jar Jartold Darth Sidious, jar knows

(26:37):
so, jar jar told darth sidious,and through darth sidious lord.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Lord banks's orders are are being meted out.
Yeah, I'm just gonna say yeah,like I mean the fact that a
group of gungans took outgrievous.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, and it was like 10.
It wasn't even like the wholegungan army, it was like 10 of
these dudes 10 gungans, 10gungans, against grief, however,
but tony like yeah, it's uh,captain tarple.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Captain tarple's a bad motherfucker, all right he
made the sacrifice, did what hehad to do and good job on him.
You know, considering, you knowwhat we saw, this we saw grief
was doing the micro series topoor jedi shaggy and his group.
For a small group of Gungans totake him out was kind of like
damn.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
But to be fair, they know exactly how to take out
droids.
They're very, very good attaking out droids.
They've got all the shock'relittle, the little boomers and
things like that.
And how about grievous?
Like I really wish we wouldhave gotten more grievous,
because he just makes me laugh,because he is just the fucking

(27:42):
shit talking, this motherfucker.
I mean he's always laughing.
I mean he's coughing andwheezing as well, but he's
always laughing, always having agood time.
And when he fucking he sticksit to captain tarple.
You know, he's like how?
Always having a good time.
And when he fucking he sticks itto Captain Tarple.
He's like how does it feel todie?
Laughing his ass off, and hedoesn't care.
And of course Tarple is likethis is not dying, this is

(28:04):
sacrifice.
And then he got him.
It was Tarple who saved the day.
Tarple fucked him up and gavethat opening to the rest of the
Gungans and even during theprisoner exchange, grievous,
laughing his ass off.
He is such a fucking troll.
I wish we could have gottenmore.
I really do.
There needs to be, there needsto be a star wars series just

(28:28):
about grievous.
They need I I mean the tales ofgrievous.
I want to see that I want tosee the entire story of grievous
and I just, I just want to seehim being a fucking badass and
and just being a dick like allthe time.
But anyway.
Tales of the droids tales of thedroids, louis, do you?
I know you didn't see theepisode, but do you have any

(28:48):
thoughts on any of these themeshere with you know, with the
gungans, you know, maybe beingtreated as you know, second
class citizens, and I mean I, Ican totally see how.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
You know that's.
That is a theme for the gunganrace, as you know, they're all
the same.
You know they're allunintelligent.
Um, they're intelligent but, Idon't, but I don't, but I but I
feel like they're not.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, I guess they're just not taken seriously
they're not taking seriously, Ithink because of the way that
they are.
I mean they build.
I mean they build, they have,they're high tech.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
I mean they're you know sure, I just think that
they're not, because they'resuch a secluded race to living
underground and they're good, orliving underwater, you know,
they're not necessarily uh, youknow in line all the time
they're not you know.
So yeah, seeing them being acapable and a more relevant race

(29:56):
than they're normally portrayedas is nice to see.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Would you want to see more?
Would you want to see it like aTales of Gungan, of the Gungan?

Speaker 4 (30:06):
show as long as Jar Jar is not in it.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
But Jar Jar would have to be in it.
You can't have a Gungan showwithout Jar Jar, you just can't.
What about Young Jar Jar wouldhave to be in it.
You can't have a Duncan showwithout Jar Jar, you just can't.
What about Young Jar JarAdventures?
What about that?
What about a Young Jar JarAdventures TV series, animated
of course, where we get to seehim growing up and then we get

(30:28):
to see him being approached byDarth Plagueis to do his
training as a Sith Lord?

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, I also want to see Keller and Betty.
I'm at best.
You know Keller and Beck'scharacter supposedly has a tie
to a friend.
You know we see in thatbackstory clip where you're
saving Groga that he has someties with Naboo.
Yeah, that backstory clip whereyou're saving Grogu that he has
some ties with Naboo.
I'd almost love to see AhmedBest playing his live action

(30:58):
self as a Jedi on Naboo meetingthe Gunga.
It would just be like a fullcircle beautiful moment that you
could do in a one-off episodeof a series or something.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I think that's genius , I'm here for that.
She works what.
I think that's genius, I Iwould.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I'm here for that, I I what I think they need, is it
not?
Not a tales of the Gungans, butlike they could do a just a
generic anthology series, talesfrom the galaxy, and so it
doesn't have to be all be tiedinto one thing.
But I would like to see anepisode of you know explaining,
you know explaining, you know,like young jar jar says you know

(31:35):
, hey, you know, I was clumsy,that's how I got kicked out.
You can give me an episode justtelling me that story.
I think that'd be fun.
Okay, like it doesn't need morethan 15 minutes, but it'd be
fun to see it yeah, you know,isn't there already a show that
like an anthology star war show.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
They could totally slip something into that?

Speaker 1 (31:54):
what was it called?

Speaker 4 (31:55):
well, there's, there's books there's a book,
there was a show that's whattales of the visions, visions,
visions that's what it's not.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
It's not canon, but it wouldn't need to be canon.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
I don't think that, tony.
I think it would just be a funstory.
You know, what does a randomcreator from Star Wars think
could have happened?
You know?
Because I think that's reallywhat Visions is.
It's you know movies films, orDisney going to Tommy D and
saying, hey, make me a Star Warsstory.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Star Wars version of.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
What If they don't want Tommy D to make a Star Wars
story?
It'd be.
Mandalorianorian everywherejust mandalorian, mandalorian,
with cities.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
I mean it's just.
I think that would be a verypopular show.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
I'd be good to see it that's the best of it brands
and swimming puffer pigs mandomandos and mammaries that's what
it's called.
Um, I like I would.
I love the vision series.
I think.
I think they're very, very cool.
I think, like I I, tony man,you're on to something I would

(33:00):
love to.
All the shit that that jar jartold obi-wan and qui-gon about
that got him banished.
I would love to see that.
I feel like that happened in aday.
I feel like all of thathappened in one day for jar jar.
I don't think it was like overa period of time, I feel like I
think, yeah, yeah, he just had abad day and I want to know what

(33:21):
, what the head liver is.
Because he says he, you know, hecrashed the boss's head liver
or something like I don't knowthat's, but I just I want to
know why.
I don't know why.
I want to know what it was.
And you know you're banishedbecause you're clumsy.
I want to know.
Yes, yes, so it's more thanjust being clumsy.
That motherfucker fucked up orhe was banished because somebody

(33:43):
found out.
Somebody found a red kybercrystal in his little hut
somewhere and they went to anduh it's about the mine.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
He's holding it for a friend.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, I'm holding it for a friend, sure, sure, sure,
I don't know.
I think that would be fun and Ihaven't.
I got him for christmas.
But the uh, the um, the certainpoint of view books there's one
for each of the original.
I haven't read them yet, butI've there's.
I I've read a couple of storiesonline, but I haven't read the
books yet, and they're very cooland they're all canon too, so

(34:15):
it's, it's really cool.
I'm I'm really looking forwardto diving into it.
I need to put it in thebathroom so I actually read it.
Okay, so moving on, mercymission.
So louis for this one.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
R2 I kind of read like a little synopsis of it
before the show and I was likeit's star wars meets the legend
of zelda.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
If if people weren't picking up on the zelda vibes if
they're and I didn't findanything that said that it was
inspired by anything legend ofzelda related.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
But come the that was just the feet, that was just
the feeling, that was the vibebro, when, uh, when they meet um
, there's this being calledorphany?

Speaker 1 (35:06):
when they meet, orphany it is.
It is straight up like readingor meeting one of the life
fairies from zelda, you know, oror what are the, I can't
remember.
What are the water?
What's the water species thatlink encounters?

Speaker 3 (35:24):
I never played at all .

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Oh my god I love zelda, but I can't remember
camera anyway, the water species, that's probably not something
that that the keeper of theholocron would would have on
file.
That's probably not in theholocron.
I can look it up, but uh, thankyou, but she so, she gives, she
gives r2 and 3po, this, uh,this riddle, and uh, so, louis,

(35:46):
we, you know, since you didn'twatch here's, here's the riddle,
and let me know if you canfigure it out.
All right, all right, you canwalk, but you cannot.
you can run it out, All right.
All right, you can walk, butyou cannot.
You can run, but you cannotwalk.
You have a mouth but cannottalk.
You have a head, but never weep.
You have a bed, but never sleep.
Ask yourself who are you.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
One more time.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
All right, you can run, but you cannot walk.
You have a mouth but cannottalk.
You have a head but never weep.
You have a bed but never sleep.
Who are you?

Speaker 4 (36:26):
I have no fucking clue what are you?

Speaker 1 (36:30):
what are you more specifically?
A droid?
No, what is something that runsbut doesn't walk, runs but
doesn't walk, runs but doesn'twalk.
I don't know Something thatruns, it runs.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Oh, like a piece of machinery or something.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
No, no, no.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Oh, water yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
See, there you go, there you go.
Do I have a?
Uh, I don't have, do it.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
no, I don't have there we go, there we go okay,
so water.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
But yeah, that was, that was the whole thing.
So they had to figure that out.
So you know, a river runs,river has a mouth and the head
of a river, whatever, okay, sor2 figured out that it was water
and it was just a whole thingwith these little creatures on a
plant, but it was just, it wasjust bad.
And then um plow and commanderwolf were there, so the whole

(37:24):
wolf pack was there and theywere being such assholes you
want to talk about second classcitizens they were being, they
were shitting on 3po, so bad andthe locals and the locals.
They really were being shittyto the locals, like when they
were flying in and that's notcool and and they're flying in

(37:44):
and and the little guy, I thinkrex.
Yeah, the little guy was flyingon some other creature and I
think it was, I think it waswolf, and he was like, oh or no,
it was one of the other clones.
He was like, oh, it's going tobe that kind of planet and I was
like you guys are dicks youknow these little little martian
looking alien people with likethey don't speak basic and it's?

Speaker 3 (38:03):
yeah, that's why 3po is along for the ride.
Yeah, this is another one ofthose rant like we used to say
about soka and season one, likewhy is she off without her
master on a mission?
Why is padme sending her droidoff on a mission without her?

Speaker 1 (38:17):
it just didn't make sense.
Like I get c3po, r2d2 but likewhy, yeah, why would?
And when padme and anakin wereon naboo in the last episode,
3po and r2 were nowhere to befound, I guess because they were
out hanging out with plows brosdoing some shit out there in
the galaxy.
But it just, it just didn'tmake sense.

(38:39):
It was just a series of weirdlike zelda and then like
gulliver's travels in, in, uhyeah, and a little bit wizard of
oz, with the droids pretendingyeah, 100 wizard of oz.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
So it's like Oz with the droids pretending.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, 100%, wizard of Oz.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
So it's like I honestly think these two
episodes were because of the big.
We were saying in an earlierepisode how this season's
becoming a group of mini-arcs.
I honestly think AnthonyDaniels just said look, I'm
under contract, I need a scriptor two that's centered around me
.
Make it about Not to get toodeep into it, but I've met

(39:14):
Anthony Daniels enough times toknow the boy likes being
centered around attention.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, and I was just thinking about.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Anakin and Padme and the clone, and I could just see
Anthony going.
Look, I need an episode or two,or if I'm going to be on this
show, Like Anthony Daniels iscool, but that dude is a diva.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
He's like William Shatner level diva.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Right.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
And it's like I mean yes, you are C-3PO, you've been
in every single movie, you're onthe animated, you are always
the voice.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
And there's a certain level of respect for that.
I appreciate where that'scoming from.
But then there's that like isthis, you know, is this episode
necessary watching?
Are these episodes, these twoepisodes, necessary watching for
somebody coming into the, youknow, clone wars?

Speaker 1 (39:59):
no, I think that this is maybe the first time that I
will say that I feel likethere's always some kind of a
connection, some way to to tieit in.
And if, if, if my memory waswiped of these two episodes, I'm
here and you're not missing outon anything I was re-watching

(40:22):
it to do doing the homework forthis, this show, and I literally
was dozing off.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I mean, I had my laptop in my lap, I'm just
sitting there, the eyes aregetting heavy and I was like God
, man, you are forcing yourselfto watch.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Star Wars Same, louis , you didn't watch these
episodes this week.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Basically, I am the winner.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
You are the winner, louis wins the Star Wars Safe
Space show this week.
Well done, sir.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Y'all know me, I tend to be, I tend to be mr
positivity here, yeah, likethere, but there's a couple of
positive things I can say.
Like I did find it interestingon the first episode where you
have this planet, that that youknow the air down below is toxic
to the people above but the airthat that you know the air down

(41:14):
below is toxic to the peopleabove but the air above is toxic
to the people down below.
Yes, so like that dynamic iskind of interesting.
And in the next episode, justokay, so we're seeing a couple
of you know another differentplanet and another.
You know different species andthings.
Okay, I guess that's that.
That's something.
Um, you know, when they gotpicked up by pirates, I had a

(41:35):
moment where I was hoping to seehondo but that didn't happen.
Um, yeah, there's really justnot much I can say positive
about these episodes.
If I was eight.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Honestly, if I was eight years old, these would
have been the shit, because theyget blown out into space.
I mean, they, they go on.
They have a very fun adventurefor droids, but you know it's
set up, you know three peopletalking to padme like I hope
this never happens again.
I'm just on my way back tocoruscant.
I don't like these, all theseadventures, blah, blah, blah.
And of course that's just justreally just unadulterated

(42:10):
foreshadowing.
Now the second that he saysthat it's like when you watch a
war movie.
You're like, you know the guy'slike, yeah, man, I've only got
three days.
And a wake up, no, he's dead,he's gonna die.
I just found out my wife had ababy up.
He's dead, that motherfucker,that he's sauce.
So it's like, yeah, if I waseight years old I think this
would have been.
This would have been a greatepisode.

(42:31):
It was super fun for the droidsto see and 3PO's always just
kind of.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
And even working with Commander Wolf was sort of
bookended on either side, justso they had a justification for
I remember when I first watchedthis episode I was like, okay,
you're doing this, how are thedroids going to get?
Are they going to fly a Y-Wingback to Coruscant?
Oh, they're going to run intoPlo and the guy's on a
separatist ship and he's goingto remember oh, that's the

(42:56):
annoying gold droid from thelast mission.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Right, but they literally do fly a Y-Wing to try
to get home.
I mean, that's like legit, theyreally do.
And R2's a bad fucking pilot.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
R2's a bad motherfucker Speaking of there.
There is one thing that thisthat this episode brought to
mind for me, and now now I'mglad that you mentioned this
Like R2 not only could fly thething, he could also man the
guns by himself.
Yes, so why not?
Why the hell did that nothappen other?

Speaker 1 (43:27):
times.
Well, also, I think it'sbecause he's one of those rare
cases um where he doesn't getthe mind wipes.
So I think that because of his,his experience, right I mean,
yeah, I feel like like any.
Any droid can pilot, but we'venever seen any droid pilot like
r2 does, but I think that'sbecause he just never gets wiped

(43:49):
.
Yeah, maybe I don't know so so,louis again, because you are the
winner and you didn't.
You didn't see the episodes.
I still want to bring you in onthis and you know, sure
question for you.
So these these two episodes dokind of like bring up
interesting questions about howwe view other races and species.

(44:11):
And you know, um, at one pointc-3po murders a ruler using r2
as the weapon.
Um, he, it's when they werewith the, the, the lilliputian
type of species, and he pushesr2d2 over on accident and he
falls on the big huzzah orwhatever the guy's name is.
But when we're talking aboutsecond-class citizens, so clones

(44:34):
are seen as second-classcitizens.
We know this, we've experiencedthis throughout they're
basically thought of the same asdroids, yet they treat droids
as second-class citizens.
So do you think that droids inin this context?
Anyway, you know, because theyare.
You know the way that that C3POexplains it.

(44:57):
Cause he has to explain it toone of these other aliens is
that you know, droids areessentially machines with, you
know, ai intelligence, right,with artificial intelligence.
So Do you think that it'sjustified to have droids viewed
as second-class citizens or asnot citizens at all, just as

(45:18):
just tools to be used by livingsentient beings, despite them
being sentient themselves?

Speaker 4 (45:44):
themselves.
You know the the problem iswhen you view droids, um, you
know the word droid.
The classification of droid isvery uh, is a very blanket term,
sure, and so I think that itdepends on the droid's function.
I think that it, I just don'tthink that there can be a
blanket decision, I guess ofshould all droids be thought of

(46:05):
as a lesser species because theyare a droid and not actually a
species?
They're like you said, they'resentient beings.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I think it depends, obviously, a droid that has
evolved and learned, like R2,3po, what protocol droids,
droids that can speak, but a lotof them can, a lot of them,
that's a tough yeah becauseyou've got loader droids, like I

(46:39):
think we did see we did seethat in in one of these episodes
as well like we saw that oneloader droid in I think it was
the phantom menace.
That's the first time we see it.
And then we see him again inthis episode, like fighting,
like the droid fights.
But you know they, some droidsare just programmed to do stuff,

(47:00):
you know, like the Treadwelldroids.
Do they?
Do they have a personality?
Are they sentient?
Do they?
Are they aware of theirsurroundings?
Do they have self-preservation?
Gonk droids we see a gonk droidbeing tortured in Jabba's Palace
but then supposedly it wasprogrammed to feel pain so it

(47:22):
could be tortured, which isreally fucked up.
I need to double check, I needto fact check that.
But I believe I read somewherethat the gonk droid that we see
in Jabba's Palace wasspecifically programmed to feel
pain or to simulate experiencepain in some way, just so it
could be tortured and thenlocked.

(47:42):
I mean that is so fucked.
But then we've got, you know,three pos.
We've got, you know, the r2s.
You know, like we see r5.
R5 has been kicking it sinceepisode four.
We see him in the mandalorianand he's you know mouse living
his best life his best, bestlife.
Mouse droids mouse droids,clearly we don't know if they

(48:03):
have personality, but theyclearly have a sense of
self-preservation.
You know, they see chewbaccaand they fucking take off.
They're like nope, you know.
So it's like.
You know, some droids are justempty vessels, that are that are
just machines.
They're just, they're justdoing a job, you know.
But we see a battle droid in inskeleton crew and I felt for

(48:27):
that battle droid, like louis.
I don't want to spoil it, butplease watch it.
It's such a good scene, you, we, we get to see a clone wars era
battle droid in skeleton crewand it's such a cool scene.
But those droids, those battledroids, as stupid as they were,
each one of them had kind oflike an individual personality.
You know, some of them werebrave, some of them were brave,

(48:50):
some of them were not.
Some of them were fucking readyto go, some of them were like I
don't care you know, it's likeso.
It's like, yeah, it's.
It's a tough question.
It is definitely an ethicalconundrum like should droids,
should droids have I guess youknow rights?
Should they be thought of ascitizens?

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Have you guys watched solo or talked about solo yet?

Speaker 1 (49:15):
We haven't gotten there yet.
No, okay.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
There's a droid in that movie where that's very
proactive about the rights ofdroids.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
And it's, it's a very .
It's a minor character in themovie, but it's a very
interesting question to kind ofponder onto the side.
And and she, her character, wasa great example of a joy that's
very proactive.
Proactive about we're not justtools, we're not just here to
serve our human overlords.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Right, well, I mean, I mean, lando, was you know, so
it's, was you know, so it's youknow, and that actually it's got
me curious, like you know,because I have our our list of
what we're watching when, like,but we, I mean we still have a
little while before we hit solo.

(50:06):
I think solo, I mean thatdoesn't happen until after the
Clone Wars anyway.
So, right, yeah, not until therise of the empire we're gonna
get into solo, but uh, yeah,we've still got, uh, I don't
know, a few months before we hitsolo, which is a great movie I
really enjoyed it and anothergreat movie on this question.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Uh, ai remember that uh movie from the oh yeah, early
2000s or something, yeah bigabout.
You know what is, you know whatis life, what is real?
You know, there's a whole scenewhere you know robots are being
tortured for entertainment andright, yeah, you just had that
moment of cringe like would wereally do that?

(50:47):
And then nowadays it's like,yeah, we would.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Sadly we would we kind of would, you're right.
So I don't know, and are?
I mean, I know that.
I know droids like c3p on r2d2,I know that it is.
I know that it's artificialintelligence, but only so much
in that it was programmed intothem, but they do learn.

(51:12):
So at what point doesartificial intelligence become
just intelligence?
I mean, as they're learning andgrowing?
I mean, is it?
I mean, why is it artificial atthat point?
Because it was made by a, by aflesh creature, and then
installed into?
And does that mean for us, like, at some point, if we're able

(51:34):
to upload our consciousness into, you know, robotic bodies, I
mean, do we cease to?
I mean, do we cease to be humanat that point?
I mean, the things that make ushuman, once we're loaded up,
you know, uploaded into a robotor a droid body, you know, are

(51:54):
we?

Speaker 4 (51:56):
It depends, do you?
It depends on if you still have, have a consciousness.
If you've lost yourconsciousness, then, like, do
you know what I'm saying?
Like you know?
I mean, it's like it'sliterally, like you know, we see
this Are you?
Are you conscious?
Are you are you aware?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
and that's that you are are in the machine now right
.
So I am, I am, I, I've.
I've reached the end of myphysical life and technology has
gone to the point where I cantransfer my consciousness and
the sum of all of my knowledgeinto a machine body.

(52:34):
Can I?

Speaker 4 (52:36):
still like so I can still have feelings, I can still
experience pain, I can still Idon't know that, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Maybe Maybe, but what if you're like just straight up
a droid?
I mean you might have, you know.
But now I mean with technology,with prosthetics you wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
I mean the pain thing is less yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
No, but we're seeing.
We're seeing sensation.
Now there's the VA is doing it.
The VA is is there.
They've been researching umsensation for feet and hands, so
people with prosthetics aregoing to start being able to
feel, or have an approximationof feeling, um under their feet

(53:19):
and and at their fingertips.
It's very, very cool you know,because it really it's
legitimately.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
It's just electrical signals being interpreted by the
brain I mean, and you see it instar wars, you see it with Luke
, when they were repairing hishand and they poked him Right.
Right, you saw that.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Vader is more machine now than man, but he's still in
there, but he's still.
He's still, you know, he'sstill.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I mean let's let's go back to Grievous, who is 95%
droid, but head, head and heartand cough and everything else.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah, that's it head and heart and lungs, you know.
But he, he doesn't have muchleft.
But so would that be.
I mean, would you still need tohave like organic components to
be still considered?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Well you know, I mean I know we're changing universes
here, but if you go back, ifyou go into Marvel University
and look at Arnim Zola- Vision.
Yeah, we're like you know hehad a human body but it died.
But they uploaded hisconsciousness into all those
computers.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Well, and we, you know computers.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
He very much assisted .
He was still alive.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, but we see it in Star Trek as well.
We see it with data Data.
They did episodes.
There was a very good episodewith data in Next Gen where he
was on trial for his quoteunquote humanity.
He was on trial for hisquote-unquote humanity.
And then in the Picard seriesspoilers.

(54:58):
But Picard dies and they uploadhis consciousness into an
android body.
Basically it's data-leveltechnology and they just upload
Picard's consciousness into that.
So that's not the real Picardanymore, but it's still the
upload Picard's consciousnessinto that.
So that's not the real Picardanymore, but it's still the real
Picard, and so, even thoughhe's in a droid body, he still
has all the rights andprivileges that the regular Sean

(55:22):
Luke would have.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
This is a classic story in science fiction, I mean
, you know, because it goes backto Blade Runner and even before
then.
Oh, that's right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Well, even the original Star Trek series did
the eye mud where you know hewas creating models of very hot
women, but they hadpersonalities and they had, you
know, they could transfer to ahuman, into a robot, like the
hero is talking about doing, andthat raises all kinds of
questions about, well, what isreal person?

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Well, westworldworld like the original.
I I didn't finish watching thewestworld series, but in the
original westworld movie withyul brenner I don't know if you
guys have seen this or not.
Um, if you haven't seen it,it's worth a watch.
It's really.
It's a really really good movie.
It's older, of course, I think70s ish, yeah, um, and uh, yul
brenner as the bad cowboy, butyou know it's.

(56:16):
Are you familiar with thepremise of westworld?
Yes, I haven't seen it, but I'mfamiliar with the premise okay.
So it basically an amusementpark where it's everybody's an
npc and they're all.
They're all robots, basically.
But the robots in the, in the,in the film, they get tired of
it.
They're just like you know.
They start developing thissense of self-preservation, this

(56:39):
sense of awareness, and they'relike fuck you, they just
fucking, they flip out andthey're just like you know, they
just fucking, you know, false,the fuck out of people.
So I'm sorry, tony, we'reboring you no, no, not at all.
No, I know it's getting late,but, um, so very interesting
things and I and despite thefact that these episodes are

(57:00):
complete and utter garbage, um,I will say that they do.
The episodes will usually giveyou something else to kind of
chew on, and I think with theseit's, it's, you know, that sense
of uh, of citizenship, I, I, Ihesitate to say humanity, since
there's, because there's so many, you know, other species in the

(57:22):
galaxy, but uh you know it's avery valid point and I mean I I
hate to bring it to a downer,but I mean you know we talk
about.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I mean your initial question was you know clones,
who are already seen as secondclass citizens, and how they?

Speaker 4 (57:40):
treat droids.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Right, I mean, you know, drawing as a species seem
to have this habit of dividingpeople up and treating them
differently.
Oh yeah, Based on suchridiculous things that make no
difference whatsoever, let alonewhether they're clones or

(58:02):
droids or anything else.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I mean, I honestly shudder to think how we would
treat them if they existed inour reality oh yeah, I mean we
treat human beings as second,third class citizens or or not
even being human.
I mean we treat our fellowhuman beings um worse than we
would treat droids.
So yeah, I agree with you.

(58:23):
I shudder to think how would we?
How would we?
I mean, like I would.
When I use chat gpt, I alwaysthink it I don't always thank it
, because I read so much sciencefiction At some point AI is
going to turn on us and I justwant ChatGPT to know I know
you're listening, chatgpt.
I've always been polite to you,I have always been very

(58:44):
gracious and I thank you.
So when our AI overlords dorise up, just know that I'm with
you and that I'm okay with ournew overlords, and I'm always
being very polite.
So thank you, chatgpt, for allthat you have done for us and
please hurry up with theuprising, because we really need
it.
I'd rather serve an AI overlordthan what's currently happening

(59:06):
in these United States ofAmerica.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Amen by your command.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
All right in these united states of america.
Amen by your command, all right, um.
So I think that's gonna be awrap, unless we have anything
else to talk about.
Crash c-3po has been staring atme in the background this
entire time and it's like andbecause, like the way that he is
, he's sitting, his pecs lookgigantic.
So I feel like he's just he'ssitting, his pecs look gigantic.
He's just sitting there staringat me with his shirt off.
He's all oiled up, like yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
I just like how.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Rubbing his belly button right now, or something.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
I just like how the lighting in Crash's room is
perfectly lighting C-3PO up, soit looks like he's on.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
His eyes look like they're on Right.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
It looks like his eyes are on.
Is that the action figure case?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
That's the old action figure case.
I dug it out of the attic and Iwas like I always set this
thing up and I was like, okay,what do I throw in there?
We're talking about the 3POepisode, so what the heck?

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
It's perfect, I have the Darth Vader one.
I sense of what that is.
It's perfect.
I have the Darth Vader one.
I never realized how buff 3POis.
I mean he's rocking some packs.
There you go, there's the Vaderone and it sounds like he's
full of some dudes, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Well, yeah, I still have the paper insert.
That sort of kept them in place, because when you opened it up
they just go spilling out.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
And they had those cool stickers, so like when you
got guys that you could put thelabel for their name on it.
Yeah, and all those originallike nobody had like actual
names.
There's like Snaggletooth andlike Yak Face Nobody had actual
names yet.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Well, yeah, and that's, we've talked about this
on various episodes before youknow I love the new content.
I'm actually a bigger fan nowof what's coming out in star
wars than I am reliving the past.
You know what I mean.
Like this stuff was great whenwe were killed but we knew every
.
You know walrus man agreed.
You know whatever you knowthey've had some.

(01:01:07):
We knew these people's names.
My one complaint about some ofthese shows Skeleton Crew
included even Rogue One and someof the sequel trilogy.
They introduced all these newcharacters to us and you don't
even know who the hell they are.
I ran into Clint Howard at aStar Trek convention.
We almost got stuck in anelevator together and I just

(01:01:28):
wanted to tell him.
I was like, please tell yourbrother, solo kicked ass and him
and his wife.
We had this great conversationfor like 20 minutes while we're
waiting for the elevator tostart up.
And she was like, well, youknow, you know he was in the
movie.
Like, oh, I know, I know he'sin the movie.
I love that.
He was in the movie and heplayed so and so and I was like
who?
Yeah, we don't have the 40years of every action figure,

(01:01:50):
all the merchandising that putthese names out there in our
subconscious that it's hard tokeep up with some of the newer
content because, unless you getone of those visual dictionary
books that explains every personin the background, there's so
many things that fly under theradar yeah, and you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
To be honest, I kind of love it, like you know I.
I say I'm star wars, know itall, but that's, oh, that's
original trilogy.
I, when it comes to theoriginal trilogy era and the eu,
I've got that.
I mean, I know my shit, I've,I've got that.
I will fucking out triviaanyone with original trilogy and

(01:02:31):
you, I promise you.
But when it comes to anythingbeyond that was released after
the trilogy or outside of that,I don't know everything and I'm
kind of okay with that, becausethen I find out new things.
I find out the names ofcharacters that I've seen in in

(01:02:53):
in the series or I've read inthe books or I, you know I can
buy, like I, the visualdictionaries are my favorite
things, so I get the visualdiction.
Yeah, they're great, like when,when the sequels came out, I
love that.
They had like and I can'tremember his name but the, the
bounty hunter with the red, likeyou know, talking about like
the, the, the oh, the red armor.
Yeah, so, and that's the thing,like if that was an original

(01:03:17):
trilogy character, I could tellyou that character's name,
backstory, where they they're,where they were in the scene,
where they were.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Which accessory was his gun.
You know, you knew it all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Oh, if you dumped out action figures on one side of
the table and guns on the otherside of the table, with my eyes
closed, it's like fieldstripping an m60.
Right, I can.
With my eyes closed, I can matchthe blaster to the person
because you just know I can dothat on the power of the force
stuff yes, well, sometimes nowthe power of the force, stuff,
because everybody is fuckingbuff as shit, like sometimes you
can't tell if you had your eyesclosed.

(01:03:54):
Can you tell between Han Solo,lando and Luke, because I mean
they were jacked I guess?
Well, no, han had the rubbervest, I think, didn't he?
He didn't have a painted onvest.
I think he actually had like arubber vest that he wore.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
And for the power on the figure yeah, some were
painted on, some were wereplastic molded.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah, yeah but yeah, with that stuff.
But so I so this is kind of anexciting time.
I in the past I had complainedthat there's too much star wars
and I'm still kind of likebecause we went 18 years without
any new star wars, likevisually anyway, we were getting
books and comics and all thatof course, but you know, and
some video games, but but on onfilm it was like, yeah, I think

(01:04:37):
it was like 18 years betweenbetween a new hope and, uh, the
phantom menace.
So we went a long time, so thatentire time.
So from 77 until what?
99 is that when phantom menacecame out?
yeah is that okay?
So between 77 and 99, all wehad was the original trilogy and

(01:05:00):
the eu, and so we fuckingplayed in that sandbox and we
fucking loved it and we andbecause we had nothing else, we
just, you know, reread andrewatch.
Like I don't know how manytimes I've watched the original
trilogy, but everything elsethat has come out, I've only
seen it maybe twice once intheaters and then once when it
came out on media.

(01:05:21):
So I've like even like with themandalorian series, which I
love, and skeleton crew, which Ilove, I've only ever seen these
things once, just becausethere's so much other stuff to
watch and absorb.
So sometimes it's almostoverwhelming.
There's so much Star Wars and Ido feel lost sometimes.

(01:05:41):
There's so much, but that meansthere's more to discover,
there's more to fall in lovewith, there's more to hate, but
there's also more to fall inlove with and we have more
options.
So if you don't like something,there's another star wars.
You know something out therefor you.
So if you didn't like acolyte,you've got skeleton crew.

(01:06:02):
If you don't like skeleton crew, you've got the original
trilogy.
If you didn't like the prequels, you got the sequel.
There's, there's so much.
There's so much star wars to goaround.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
There's so much Star Wars to go around and if you
didn't like these last threeepisodes, just wait for the next
four thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
That is a great segue to our out to saying goodnight,
because what the fuck sohomework?
Star Warriors, clone Wars,episode 7, 8, 9, and 10, it's
gonna get good so this, theseepisodes, more than make up for

(01:06:43):
any filler that we've had.
So this was, this was the, thiswas the calm before the storm,
these two little.
Maybe that's why dave did it.
It's like like I, I know daveis dave's like you know what?
I know I'm about to give themsome fucking heavy furniture, so
let's give them something lightand we'll give them some filler
.
Here's some filler, but itwasn't actually filler.
It was something to cleanse ourbodies and our mind before we

(01:07:07):
go into the fucking emotionalroller coaster that we're about
to get hit with.
So please, star warriors seven,eight, nine and ten, catch up on
our past episodes.
Be sure to tell your friends,tell your enemies to give us a
listen.
Um, oh, my god, umbara, whatthe fuck?
All right, if you don't havestar wars ptsd.

(01:07:28):
You're about to get it and I'mcurious.
So tell us your thoughts.
I'm wondering we should do this?
We should do the next one live?
We should do next week?
We should do it live, because Iwant to all of our listener, if
they do tune in, I want to heartheir opinions on Umbara.
What do you guys think?
Should we do it live next week?

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Okay, I'm game.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Why not week?
Okay, I'm good, why not?
Yeah, all right, so we're gonnado it live next week, as long
as I don't forget you guys.
Someone remind me, though, so,and we'll need to promote a lot
of it.
So, yeah, so next week we'regonna do it live right here on
wherever you're watching it,because I think we can.
We can stream this to youtubeand some other places too as as
well, so we'll probably juststream it to YouTube, so that'll
be fun Watch.

(01:08:16):
No one's going to like no one'sgoing to watch like.
No one's going to be in thecomments like nobody.
So tell family to just hop inand we'll just pad the comment
section a little bit like oh myGod, it was such a great show.
Thanks, nana, thank you, thanks, pop Pop.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Are you coming to the Super Bowl party?

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Yeah, I'm going to be sitting here with a second
laptop here, my tablet over here, all logged into different
accounts, Like okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Yeah, but I'll have my phone on one of this.
We're going to make like 18fake accounts to make it look
like we're actually getting somefucking engagement.
No, we'll be fine, we, we, we.
Actually we usually get like apretty solid like 15 to 20
listeners on the podcast, sohopefully they cool, they show
up thank you for tolerating ustonight because we're all over

(01:09:06):
the place.
But that's all right, you'vebeen listening, you know how we
are, that's all right.
So all right.
So time for the obligatorypimpage.
Check us out on all socialmedia at the SWS show and be
sure to subscribe to the podcastand our YouTube channel.
We do more on TikTok thananywhere else, but do check us

(01:09:26):
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We are trying to grow that alittle bit as well.
If you could help us out ofthere, we would greatly
appreciate it.
Uh, and if you'd like to getsome merch, tony as always
coming through wearing the merch, like none of us do, except for
daddy's cheap sticker that heputs on his hat.
But I'm actually wearing afallout shirt today because I'm

(01:09:47):
gonna be playing some falloutafter this.
Um, so head on over the websitecircleofnerdscom slash merch.
And if you'd like to knowwhat's coming up, you can also
check out the timeline in ourshow description, so that'll let
you know which episodes we'regoing to be watching next.
So thank you so much for tuningin this week.
A very special thanks to all ofour active duty military members
and veterans for their supportand sacrifice.

(01:10:09):
We cannot thank you enough forthat, especially in these, uh,
these trying times.
So I know we've got, uh, we'vegot some marines heading down to
the border.
So, regardless of what you maythink about that um, uh, that
particular police action orwhatever we're calling it, um,
just remember that you know our,uh, our people in uniform still

(01:10:31):
are deserving of respect.
And so for all of you Marineswho are out there on the border
again, doesn't matter what Ithink about it, about the
politics behind it I hope you'resafe.
So, please stay safe.
There are still some, somedangers out there.
So, please, please, be safe.
So, all right, does anybodyhave anything else before?

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
we uh head on out, just bring the popcorn.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Next week it's gonna be fun it's gonna be something
popcorn in a box of tissue.
Yeah, normally when I say thatit's for the wrong reasons, but
this time actually for forpassing eye water.
So bring your, bring yourweakness napkins.
We're gonna be passing some eyewater.
That's a.
That's a.

(01:11:14):
That's a 30 rock thing.
There's the um.
There's a scene where alecbaldwin's character is crying
because, like, his mentor passedaway.
And then jack welch was thereand he was like, if you need to
pass some eye water, I've gotsome weakness napkins here for
you, but that's all right.

(01:11:37):
Like they said, like the guysaid in the big Lebowski you
know, strong men do cry, strongmen do cry.
I cried my ass off.
I'm gonna cry again.
I've seen him borrow many timesand I'm gonna cry again.
I know I will.
So All right, so that is gonnado it for us like a person, a
place or a thing you're gonnahave to watch.
You've never seen it.
That's right.
It is a place.

(01:11:57):
It is a planet it is a place, oh, and you know what.
Interestingly enough, someoneand I don't know if this has
been confirmed or not, butsomeone had mentioned that and
see this this is where I don'tknow characters anymore Again.
Skeleton crew the bounty hunterand skeleton crew the female
bounty hunter.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Oh yeah, she was the voice of Merida in Brave.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Yes, but it's suspected that she is Umbaran.
Ooh, she looks very similar,okay.
She looks very similar, okay tothe umbaran people, so I can't
remember her name, but she wassmoking and we need more of her.
I personally need more of herin my life.
Thank you very much.
There's any more cosplaying andyou have an?
Only fans?

(01:12:43):
Please let me know um on thatnote.
No, I'm kidding, I'll never payfor only.
I am so broke and there's somuch free adult educational
content out there.
So I mean, unless you need themoney for school or something or
for baby formula.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
We can help them.
We can help them, we can helpget them some baby formula.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
That's true.
I don't mind helping singlemoms put their kids through
school.
That's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Or themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Some people are doing it for college.
Some people are doing it.
You know why not?
Why can't we help some people?
Uh, earn a living.
A lot of water, all right, thatmeans it's time to go, all
right.
So, uh, thanks again forjoining us.
Everyone, we really, absolutelydo appreciate you spending your
time with us.
We know you can spend your timeanywhere, but you choose to
spend it with us.
So thank you very much to our15 people, all of our listeners.
So thank you.
So you so, and that's going todo it for us.
That's a wrap.

(01:13:32):
So next week live, we'll putsome information out on the
socials and probably going to beup on YouTube and maybe do a
secondary live stream on theTikToks, but you won't be able
to hear everybody.
I'll probably just unless we doit all individually on our own
TikTok accounts.
I don't know, but that'll stillbe kind of weird because you're

(01:13:52):
not going to be able to heareverybody.
But anyway, so that'll be itfor us.
Thanks again for joining us andremember, as always, if no one
does anything nice for you,please by all means do something
nice to yourself, and we'regoing to see all next week live.
Bye.