February 9, 2025 • 63 mins
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
right, yep, good coming up this week.
Things are getting dark and wetand if you know, you know it's
star wars, the clone wars,season four.
Right here on your star warssafe space.
Stick around around, hey, hey,hey, howdy there, star Warriors,
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welcome to Star Wars Safe Space, your non-toxic, low-sodium
Star Wars show.
That doesn't make you feel badfor not knowing that THX 1138
was the very first film GeorgeLucas ever directed and is
referenced several timesthroughout Star Wars lore.
So, whether you're a hardcorefan or just a little swarzy,
curious, this is indeed yourStar Wars Safe Space, and we are
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the Circle of Nerds and we doabsolutely love Star Wars, even
if we don't always like it.
So let's meet the crew, shallwe?
From my left, your right pilotof the infamous Parma Flyer,
it's Crash.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Hi everybody, S-Foil's locked and ready to go.
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
There you go, there you go, and hailing from parts
unknown, it is t to the oniwelcome back to the galaxy,
everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Hope you all had a good holiday yeah, yeah, we'll
talk about that.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We'll talk about that too.
Yeah, thank you for remindingme, because I totally forgot.
We had a holiday and I andtommy d you're more than
slightly obnoxious.
Star wars know it all.
So what are we doing here?
Well, it's very simple.
Our mission is to watch all ofthe canon star wars films and tv
shows in chronological order,mostly breaking them down,
connecting the dots and learninga little more about star wars,
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and maybe even about ourselves.
Isn't that just warm and fuzzy?
So word of warning to all ofyou would-be Star Warriors there
will be spoilers.
So we're going to get into it.
We're going to be looking aheadto season four, but first the
news Crash.
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You got something for us.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Sadly I do.
Over the holiday we lost AngusMcInnes who played Gold Leader
in A New Hope.
He was the leader of the Y-WingSquadron so I had to bring out
my little Y-Wing to represent.
I met him at my first Star Warscelebration Cool guy.
And then, you know, we talked alot.
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I actually patterned my Rebelpilot costume.
Tommy remembers me when I usedto troop with the Rebel Legion.
My X-Wing helmet was done inGold Leader style but in our
squadron colors and I was reallyproud of that.
I actually got to meet himagain after I got out.
I got a picture with him in thehelmet with the helmet and I
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told him like man, this isbecause of you and I love
Y-Wings and I thought you knowthey were cool.
Man, this is because of you andI love Y-Wings and I thought
they were cool.
I like the Bombers.
So I was a little sad to hearthat when he passed, because he
was a really good guy and it'sjust one of those things that
you make a connection with someof these people that you see on
these movies and he was a gooddude and he'll be missed.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
All right.
And was he a fan?
I mean, was he one of us?
I think?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
so he was very personal.
He understood the fandom has alot of nitpicky trivia things
that people like to ask about.
He doesn't have the answer tosay everything.
I think he appreciated it.
He did tell me the second timeI saw him we were talking about
how they worked him into RogueOne and how they used old
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footage that they'd shot back inthe 70s and he did some ADR
voice recording.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
So when you don't see him on camera that's fresh
dialogue.
But the footage you saw of himwas digitally enhanced stuff
from the 70s so that they couldwork in the original Red Leader
and Gold Leader in the movie.
That's like taking place justhours before New Hope, so he
kind of bookended the saga.
He even had a cameo in thesequel trilogy as part of the
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First Order Rise of Skywalker.
He was one of the First firstorder officers in that briefing
conference room that's so coolyeah, so, uh, his family put out
a statement, uh, the christmaseve, I think, saying that he had
passed away and, you know,shout out to the wishbones out
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there and if I'm not mistaken,the parma flyer is a Y wing.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, that's sort of my unofficial nickname, for I
guess I might.
When I was a character in therebel legion, my ship, I called
it the Parma flyer.
So shout out to gold leader.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Love it.
Oh, man, you know, and I haveto say, um, rogue one was really
cool for that, like you know,when, when they did digitally I
mean cause, you know, red Leaderwas in there, I mean, we had,
we had all of the originalX-Wing and Y-Wing pilots
represented.
Um, because, yeah, like yousaid this, you know the events
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of rogue one.
Well, at the end of Rogue Oneit takes place just maybe hours
before the events of A New Hope,if not sooner, maybe less than
an hour.
I mean, vader was hot on Leia'stail.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
True, that was a great way to tie in the two
movies and I think John Knollsaid in an interview one time,
like you know, he pitched theidea for rogue one to Kathleen
and basically it was like itsays in the scroll.
You know, you know the, the,the first real victory for the.
You know, against the.
You know what if it wasstealing the Death Star plans.
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You know, and and how did thatcome about?
It was a great way to tie in anew movie with something that's
been established for well over40 years but they, they, I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think we could have , we could have done without
that.
We didn't.
We didn't necessarily need tosee that crazy uncanny Valley
creepy princess Leah, but Idon't know.
That's me, that's me being anitpicky fan, because other than
that, it's, it's up there, it's, it's it's my number two star
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wars film like, out of all ofthe films, it's it's my number
two.
Rogue one is just a great greatstar wars film, absolutely love
it.
I mean, we based we based theintro of this show on the
infamous hallway scene, whichalso divides fans.
There's a lot of fans that findthe hallway scene to be like
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really hokey and corny and justI don't know.
A lot of fans don't like thathallway scene and, uh, I don't
know why.
If you're listening, if you'rewatching, please comment, let us
know.
If you don't like the hallwayscene in rogue one, tell us why.
Because me personally, that isexactly how I always wanted to
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see Vader.
We get to see Anakin being acomplete badass and a savage.
We get to see Luke eventuallybeing a badass and a savage, but
not until the Mandalorian.
But not until the Mandalorian,but we never really get to see
Vader really being scary as fuckand rogue one gave us that and
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and people kind of.
They kind of poopoo on thehallway scene.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I think there's some.
I'm kind of in between.
I see both sides of the coin.
I think there's this element ofthe nostalgia for that entrance
of Vader.
Everybody talks about howVader's an iconic character in
cinema history.
That shot of him walking in wason all the storybooks when we
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were kids.
It was the image you had ofVader, your literally first
image of him, and that was afterthe shock troopers went in and
busted up the hallway defenders.
So the idea that, oh, maybeVader took the first swing, got
through first and what needed totake a breather had to dial up
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the asthma machine or something.
I think that's maybe the onlyreason people kind of like, hey,
I had this image of Smoke andVader whooshing in and all that.
Why didn't he just come in andtear up some more guys like he
does in Rogue One?
That's the only reason I cansee people having a problem with
it.
Because you're right, it ispeak Vader to see him with a
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lightsaber just plowing throughguys with blasters that have no
idea that they're alreadyscrewed.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Right, and I'm looking something up right now,
but you bring up an interestingpoint too about that image of
Vader where we just see him likelike silhouetted, you know, and
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it's just, it's just him andhis lightsaber, and, um, it
reminded me of the cover forsplinter of the mind's eye.
Yeah, and I'm, I'm, I'm pullingit up here, I'll see if I can
drop it in, but um, it's his,his, his saber wasn't out, but
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um, that was the first, thefirst uh sequel, uh, two star
Wars that came out in 78.
I think that was like our firstEU book and then it ended up
being like decanonized.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
It was a backup plan in case the movie flopped.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Right, it was a great book.
I encourage everyone to read it.
It's a great book.
You know we hadn't worked outyet that Luke and Leia were
brother and sister, so there's,there's a little.
There's a little game ofThrones going on in there a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
It just hurts to think about.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Sometimes you just think oh, um, but uh, oh man,
where is it?
Where's my?
Uh, where's the?
Where's the image?
Oh my God, I just lost it.
But anyway, um, I'm gonna haveto cut all this out because I
can't, I cannot multitask likeat all clearly, um, so
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silhouetting vader silhouette.
Yes, so the hallway scene again,I don't.
I don't know why it gets somuch hate, because I uh, I
absolutely positively 100 lovethe hallway scene in its
entirety, like it's justeverything about.
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It is just so freaking badass.
I can't stand it.
I mean it's like you hear thebreath.
The lightsaber ignites as themusic starts and he's just
saucing the hell out of peopleleft and right and the one, the
one trooper, he's just beatingon the door.
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Help us, nobody, help us, likethat terror of seeing this, this
giant wheezing, black armored,you know, demon, you know, with
an archaic weapon that youhaven't ever seen before.
You know a lot of those guys.
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They didn't, they'd never seena lightsaber before.
This is what you know.
18 years after, after order 66,18, 19 years ish, after order
66.
So some of these guys probablynever saw a lightsaber.
Even if they were alive duringthe time of the Jedi, the
likelihood of them evenencountering a Jedi was slim.
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So now here you've got thisscary, like I said, very
demon-like entity walking downthe hall and just destroying
your buds.
I mean, like you know, an hourago you guys were kicking it in
the cantina on the ship and nowVader just takes Ralph force,
pushes him to the ceiling andthen cuts him in half and it's
like wait, wait, what you know,mr Vader, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry we got on the wrongship.
I'm not supposed to be here,I'm supposed to be somewhere
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else.
I swear, but and then I thinkat the end, when he's just like
launch.
I love it, tony, please.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I love it, tony, please.
I love that scene too, don'tget me wrong.
I do understand, though, whysome people might have a problem
with it, because now, if you'relooking at it like as an
original person, when you firstsee, okay, yeah, cool In episode
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four, you see again, thetroopers have already taken out
most of the guys, and then Vaderwalks in and you see Leia
standing up to him and being herbadass self.
Okay, I can see that, becausewe as an audience haven't seen
Vader do all of that stuff yet.
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Right, so it's the.
We know he's the bad guy, weknow he's a threat, but we don't
know to what extent he is.
So like, and again like.
We're literally talking maybean hour's time from the time
that he has that hallway sceneto when he's confronting Leia,
in hours time from the time thathe has that hallway scene to
when he's confronting Leia.
And I'm sorry if I'm Leia andI've experienced and heard this
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whole commotion, this wholehallway scene I'm not standing
up to.
I don't care how badass of aprincess I am.
If that guy is threatening me,you win.
Do whatever you got, right.
It's like my bad, my bad bigguy If that guy is threatening
me you win, I'll do whatever Igot Right.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
It's like my bad, my bad Big guy Vader had a very
submissive person Like you know,Tarkin.
Yeah, Some of the officers,even the guy he choked, you know
, sort of like disrespected himin a way.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Oh, absolutely, he's like Vader release him and then,
and then and then, and then youknow, don't try to frighten us
with your, your sorcerer's ways,lord vader, it's like
motherfucker, you've.
You've been around long enough,you know you're.
That guy was old enough toremember the clone wars and he
probably had served in the clonewars in some capacity.
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So it's like, wait, vader waslike maybe you forgot who I am,
let me choke this into you herereal quick.
But to see him, but to see himget that physical.
You know, that's not somethingthat we had seen, nor would we
see.
We wouldn't see, I mean untiluntil empire, but even even an
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empire.
It was a really a one-sidedfight and he, he was still not
like going off, going off youknow he was toying with Luke in
many ways.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, he wasn't like showing his full straight until
the end.
When Luke clips him on theshoulder and I was like okay,
fuck it this kid's toast.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, but he knew, he knew his name, he knew that
that was his son.
So I mean he was.
I think he was still trying tonot kill him.
But I mean, you know, hedoesn't really have a good track
record for not killing children.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
So as we know, anakin vader.
Well, does you know?
Hands can be replaced easily,easily.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So, all right, anyway , we're supposed to be talking
about the clone wars, but uh,that's what happens when you get
people who love star warstalking about star wars.
So, um, season four, clone wars, uh, we've already, obviously,
we've already watched seasonsone through three.
We've watched a few otherthings, but uh, I think, tony,
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have you, have you seen all ofseason four?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I know I have seen none of season four.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Okay, so I know at some point in the Clone Wars
series we would be in unchartedterritory for you because you'd
seen one through three, right?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Prior to us starting to watch it, I had not seen any
of it, oh.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Oh, so this is all brand new to you.
Okay, cool, cool, cool,excellent.
So, seasons one through three,the episodes jump around quite a
bit, as we, as we learned.
So, despite us trying to watcheverything in chronological
order, dave, our lord and savior, feloni, he did kind of throw
us for a loop once or twice, or10 times.
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Um, season four, however it, uh, it maintains its its
chronological and release order.
So that's very nice.
So we're going to be watchingall of season four
chronologically in its entirety.
Plus, we're going to bewatching Tales of the Empire,
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episode one, becausechronologically that does fall
in during season four.
So we're gonna be watching thatas well.
Um, so, tony, up to this pointand crash, I'm sure you could
probably, uh, agree with me onthis.
On this, up to this point, theclone wars have been fun and, uh
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, there's, there's been a fewheavy moments, but shit's about
to get real.
I mean, mean, crash, would youagree with that?
I feel like the series as awhole really starts to get.
This is when people startsaying that the Clone Wars is
dark and gritty and not a kids'show, and then they get made fun
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of for saying that Clone Warsis dark and gritty and not a
kids show.
And then they get made fun offor saying that Clone Wars is
dark and gritty.
I think they forget about howthings kick off here with season
four.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, I agree, this is, I want to say, the dividing
line, but this was a part wherethe older audience was starting
to make their voice known about.
Okay, we're cool that it'sanimated, we like that Star Wars
is for kids, but give ussomething a little deeper, a
little darker.
You know Umbara is a metaphorfor darker stories, both
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literally and figuratively.
But I think this was the seasonwhere, now that Dave sort of
had a turn around the galaxy ortwo with you know the first
couple seasons and we'veestablished who's who and what's
what, now it was time to reallyput a signature on it.
And I think some of these, youknow we were just before the
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show, we were kind of planningout what, what our homework was
going to be, and it's reallygoing to be a case of building
around the particular arc ofepisodes.
You know a three episode arc, afour episode arc.
In some cases you think about itas a viewer that's almost a
month or a month of yeah youknow episode episodic television
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where you know you see, likethe first episode, you had to
wait a week for the next episodeand you wait a week for the
next episode.
There were some cliffhangers,little ones and as a younger
viewer, I'm sure it was exciting, because it's like reading a
comic book and you get to thatlast page and it says to be
continued.
You can't wait for the nextissue to come out.
Because it's really easy nowafterwards to binge watch a show
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and you go okay, here's plot Ato plot B, to plot C.
But when you've got to waitthat week and you've got to talk
about it with your friends inthe playground and go, hey man,
did you see what happened onUmbara?
Or did you see what happened inthe Mon Cal episode?
There's some great stuff thathappens there.
There's some great.
You're starting to see a shiftin Anakin's personality.
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He's taking a little turn tothe dark side in some spots.
Your friend, your buddy, papaPalpatine, you know, is pulling
on the strings in certain ways.
I think you're going to findout.
And this is when it reallystarted to cook.
I said that last season, but interms of these long storm parks
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, I promise you, tony, it'sgoing to get good and it's going
to get good quick.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I've already thought that it's been good.
Don't get me wrong, I am lookingforward to seeing it get a
little bit more serious.
Of course know, seasons onethrough three had their moments
of seriousness, but, but sure,but I am definitely intrigued by
this.
Um, one thing that I am goingto try to do for this season
that I have done in the past is,you know, I've always been and
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I've talked about this before onthe show that I've always been
a binge watcher, like, like Irarely ever have the patience to
just sit and watch an episodeof something and then have to
wait.
But one thing that I'm going totry to do, especially for this
season, is not do that, sit down, watch one episode and at least
give myself like an hour tothink about it and, you know,
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really come to terms with whatI've watched and and about it.
And you know, really come toterms with what I watched and
and and make my, make myexpectations for what's gonna
come in the next one before Isit down and watch that next one
and really like, like, let thatsuspense build up in me.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So that's a good.
That's a good way to look at it.
I remember watching them whenthey first aired.
It's interesting, it's greatwatching them without the
Cartoon Network commercials,because some of these other
shows they used to have was likeI can feel my brain melting.
But when you get on Disney Plusnow and you can kind of go,
okay, I'm going to watch, likewe were talking about earlier,
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the episodes, the Mon Cal Arcone, two, three.
Watch the first one.
It's going to end on acliffhanger, you know, and and
enjoy the cliff.
You know, enjoy the moment of Idon't know what's going to
happen.
You know, we know certaincharacters have plot armor
because they're going to be inrevenge of the Sith, but you
want to see how they get out ofthis and that's that's what
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really sells some of these arcs.
We've hinted at it before.
I don't want to give too muchaway.
The Umbara arc alone is effingcinema.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
We hype it so much.
I mean we hype it so much, butit's worth the hype.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
And you're going to.
I remember watching it when itfirst aired and there's a moment
that happens.
I was man-tearing because youget so connected to these clones
and you know the bonds theyhave.
There's this.
There's going to be a momentthat's and you're out.
You'll, you'll tell, you'llknow what I'm talking about when
you see it.
It just breaks your heart.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I'm not going to lie.
I was ugly crying.
I'm not, I'm not even gonna lie, I'm not going to lie.
I'm not even going to lie.
I'm not going to lie.
I'm not going to try to standon airs.
I was ugly crying over acartoon, a cartoon, and I, I'm
not.
I'm not ashamed to admit it.
I'm not ashamed to admit itbecause it's just like you said
it.
This is cinema, this is so it's.
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It's a master stroke ofstorytelling and it's for for an
animated series, is it?
Is it as as heavy as somethinglike band of brothers or saving
private ryan?
I, I think when, when, whenpeople are like you know, the
clone wars are dark and gritty,and then you get made fun of for
saying that.
I, I don't think that.
I don't think anyone is underany illusions that this is as
heavy as some of these other IPsout there.
I mean, of course, this is notBand of Brothers, this is not
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Saving Private Ryan.
It's not that heavy, it's notthat dark and preteen audience.
Um, as an adult, you can stillwatch it and still get all the
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feels, especially it crashed,like you said.
You know, as you start becomingemotionally invested, you know,
in some of these characters.
So I mean, when we, when we seethat and this was 2011, 2012, I
think, when this, uh, yeah,yeah, 2011, when, uh, when the
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season, when the season came,came out.
So I was uh, I was a youngerman, but uh, Weren't we all.
Weren't we all but?
But I wasn't ready.
I wasn't ready for what we seeat all through the whole.
I mean, there are still somecorny moments, there are some
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corny bits, but not nearly asmany.
Like, if even like.
If you do a Google search, ifyou just go into Google and you
type in Star Wars or Clone Wars,season four, and it's going to
bring up the episodes andthere's, you know, the little,
the little thumbnail pictures,just the little thumbnails alone
.
It's like everything is just sodark, everything is so moody
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and it's just like what is aboutto happen.
And I think it's at this point.
I think dave is like all right,childhood's over like, and
you'll see that in.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I won't give anything specific away, but as Ahsoka
grows through the Clone Wars, Ifound it interesting that her
outlook on things gets a littledark.
Things are a little moreserious for her.
It's not all snarky commentsand quips with Anakin.
It's like girl's been throughsome stuff and that's starting
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to wear on her, and you'll seethat in various episodes I, I
really, I really would love toget to get ashley on the show.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
We we talked, we spoke with ashley.
I've spoken with her a fewtimes.
Um, first time I talked to herwas in celebration europe and uh
, she, uh, she had just launchedthe her universe line.
So she was actually just, shewas just chilling.
They had a little pop-up shopinside inside the, uh, the
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convention center, so she wasjust there hanging out.
I didn't even really realize whoit was at first, um, um,
because especially there inEurope, you know, in in Germany
she's not a big deal because shedoesn't do the voice, obviously
, for you know, she doesn't dothe, the, the German voice of of
Ahsoka.
So, um, but I got to, I got totalk to her again at um, uh, fan
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expo up there in boston and, uh, we talked to her about the
show, we told her about the showand she, you know she was
really interested in it becauseit's, you know, we're doing
something positive.
So I got her contactinformation and we got to get
her on.
We got, I mean, because we gotto get her up to talk about
Ahsoka and her journey, sherryworking behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I too for years.
I've known Ashley since thebeginning of her universe and,
like I said my sister is like a10th level Padawan of hers.
We saw her at Steel City overthe holidays and she's still
amazing.
She still gets a huge line ofpeople wanting to meet her.
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She'll spend as much time asshe can with everyone.
I heard a guy grumbling in lineHi, mr D.
I complained to her.
Hi, I was the guy with the VIPbadge, complaining about how
this is just a kid's show.
He had something he wanted toget signed because he was trying
to complete an item witheverybody.
And you just tell she lovestheir fans.
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She loves the Clone Wars fansbecause she knows everything.
She's got going for her rightnow with her universe, and all
this voice work she's doing camefrom Ahsoka.
She's a fan.
I love talking to her as a fanbecause she gets us.
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She'd be a great person to haveon the show just for tell us
your tale.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I would love for us to sit down with, like her and
sam at the same time, and it'llend up being a fucking two hour
long show.
Because you know, and sam wit,we're another one, I, he is
another one who is a fan and heknows his shit.
Oh, he is so smart.
(29:30):
I feel like that guy.
He's forgotten more Star Warsthan I'll ever know, and Dave as
well.
I would love to sit down withDave because Dave is a fan.
Dave played with Star Wars toysas a kid sitting in his bedroom
and now he's playing with thefucking coolest collection of
star wars toys ever and I would.
(29:52):
I don't know if we'll ever getdave on the show, but I, man, we
gotta, we gotta get ashley onat least, because I, we, I do
feel like, as we're, as we'regoing through the clone wars, we
always, always seem to comeback to ahsoka and her journey.
Because as much, as as much asthe clone wars are about anakin
and the relationship betweenanakin and obi-wan, it's also
(30:15):
really, really about ahsoka'sjourney from from little snips,
you know, to this fucking badassbut sad ronin that we see
portrayed by rosario dawson.
You know, this whole evolutionof ahsoka tano is.
(30:39):
I'm getting a little choked up.
Actually, it's, it's just it.
She's such an amazing character.
She's such an amazing character, such a a cool, well-written
character, who has arguably moregrowth than any other star wars
character.
I would say, you know, you cantalk about people's redemption
arcs and all that, but in termsof like this sweeping growth, I
(31:02):
mean it's, it's ahsoka, andwe're still not done.
We're still not done withahsoka.
I mean there's still.
There's still more stories tocome.
So I, oh god, I just I'mlooking forward to it so much.
And we get more clones.
I think, up to this point too,there was a lot of complaining
that you know, this is the clonewars.
We're not seeing a lot of that.
(31:24):
But, brothers and sisters, weget our fair share of clones air
in season four and anddifferent environments and
different.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
You know there were.
There were some.
I'm sure tony would agree therewere.
There were certain stretcheswhere you could tell things kind
of got bogged down in thepolitical weeds.
Yeah, jedi, you know mysticalside of things for a show called
the clone wars.
Every every once in a whileit's good just to throw a bunch
of clone troopers out there anda bunch of battle droids out
(31:56):
there and just say go nuts yeah,and you know we we have to tell
the story of anakin and obi-wanand Palpatine.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
those stories have to be told because they're
relevant, of course, but yeah, Iwant to see more clones.
So, tony, as someone who isfresh and new to all of this, I
have to ask what are your hopes,your dreams, your expectations
(32:28):
for season four, if we haven'talready ruined it for you?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
No, not at all.
I think.
I say this at the start ofevery season.
My biggest thing is I want tosee the character growth.
I want to see these arcs, Iwant to see how they go from
where they are now to where theyend up, and I just I love that
aspect of it yeah, you're for awhile and then we kind of get
(33:12):
away from that because we'recovering other parts of the
galaxy.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
So, yeah, this is a great time to kind of revisit
that side of the galaxy toothat's just.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I'm so excited like I've been like holding back
re-watching this season becauseI want to watch it together.
I want to watch together.
So I'm hoping that some of ourviewers and some of our
listeners are also new with uh,with the show, and you're also
going to be watching it togetherwith us, um, because there's
(33:46):
also a lot that I've forgotten,you know.
So I mean, there's, you know,I've seen, I've seen the clone
wars in its entirety, maybethree times, I think I've
watched it, um, but but again,it's like maybe every few years
I'll watch some of it, and sothere's, there's a lot I've
forgotten, so, and but I I'm,I'm excited for people to see it
(34:11):
with fresh eyes, like tonyright, and because I admit, you
know, the last since I've comeon this show, I told you off
camera one time I was like I'vewatched these things so many
times, I'm an angry bingewatcher.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
If I was like, oh, I feel like clone wars, I gotta
start at season one and justchow through each season because
I'm like, oh man, I can't skipseason two.
There was that thing here,there was this thing here and I,
you know, it's just the.
There's a flow to the way that,the way this show grows over
time, that I, you know you watchthem.
You know in in completion andsee, you know, in sequence and
(34:44):
like we talk about story arcs,the other three, four episodes
that all are relevant to eachother, yeah, you gotta watch all
three or four of them,otherwise you might you miss
that little D and and you knowDave's telling you know many.
There are many movies.
It's almost like shows wherepeople online complain is oh.
Online complain is oh.
(35:05):
I can't get into, say, skeletonCrew, like we talked about in
the other show, because it'sonly 30, 40 minutes long.
Yeah, but it's eight episodesof good Star Wars content broken
down because we, the audience,have such a short attention span
.
Now They've realized, okay, wecan't just put out a trilogy of
(35:27):
feature-length films because youpeople have to be on your
phones that they've realized,okay, we can't just put out a
trilogy of feature length filmsbecause you people have to be on
your phones every 10 minutessaying what happened here.
Oh, my God, did you see that?
They're breaking it down for us?
They're breaking it down for uslike a fraction because they
realize a lot of the audiencecan't sit through an
Avengersgers endgame marathonevery other day or or a five
(35:50):
hour, lord of the rings.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Oh ended director's cut I.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I love peter jackson's enthusiasm for that,
for that ip, but my god man, Ihave to pee right, and so it's
like you know, I, I agree, Iagree 100.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I am very, very grateful and I'm very thankful
that we're getting things inbite size, easily digestible
chunks like this.
I would.
I would have liked for skeletoncrew to be a little bit longer
in terms of episode lengthcloser to that 50 minute hour.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
You know, like basic tv kind of setup would have been
nice.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
But it works the way it is now.
Everything is very snappy withthe pacing, like the Acolyte.
I liked the Acolyte.
I know I mean people getcrucified for saying that, but
not on this show, you won't.
But one thing that I alwaysprobably my biggest complaint
about the Acolyte was the pacingthe pacing of the episodes was
(36:51):
a little bit janky sometimes.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I just re-watched that over the holidays and I
agree it's a great again.
It's like I said on the othershow about skeleton, group
acolyte was great.
It would not have been a greatmovie up against top gun
maverick or whatever was comingout that time of year where it
would have been middle of thetier of the box office.
(37:13):
It would have been a flop.
You'd never hear about it,because you just can't rally the
entire Star Wars fandom to go.
Hey, go check out this newmovie every year.
I think one of the few mistakesDisney did make since their
takeover was this new sequeltrilogy and then the anthologies
in between.
A new movie a year was tough,especially when they're trying
(37:36):
to announce a Star Warscelebration every year to
promote it.
That's hard on the wallet, guys.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
But I think Acolyte could have worked as a movie.
Iolyte could have worked as amovie.
I think it could have worked asa movie.
I think I would have been coolwatching an hour and a half two
hour movie of the acolyte thatends on a cliffhanger with the
prospect of maybe another moviein a couple of years.
Um, but I mean I happy withwith what we got and I do agree,
(38:08):
I think that the, the, the TVseries doing it in that format
it's just easier.
I mean, each episode costs asmuch as a whole fucking movie.
So it's not like they'rethey're skimping out on anything
.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
But and compare that to strange new worlds.
I'm watching season two of thatnow, so good, yeah.
And that's another tricky thingwhere there's so many streaming
services now that I think partof the problem.
You know, people look at the Idon't know how they do streaming
ratings, but you know the.
The word is that the, theratings for, like, a show like
(38:42):
skeleton crew, are low.
Well, it's low because there'sso many platforms now, there's
so many streaming shows now,that people can't.
You got to commit to somethingand exclude everything else
because I don't know about you,I don't have the attention span
to watch you know one show andthen jump to another show, then
jump to another.
Yeah, and yeah, I'm a, I'm abender, I do like to watch.
(39:04):
You know when I watch, like Isaid, when, when I watch Clone
Wars, I start season one and Idon't stop till the end Because
I just I want to take it all in.
I don't like jumping timelinesand stuff like that.
But even with Strange NewWorlds, I think they only have
maybe I think it was nine oreight or nine episodes,
something like that.
Yeah, for the kind ofproduction budget that show
(39:33):
episodes something like that.
Yeah, for the kind ofproduction budget there.
You know that show is like toptier.
You know those sets areimmaculate 10 and the amount of
you know same.
And that's what happened withaccolade.
They wanted feature-length, toptier looking production quality
.
But you're breaking it downinto short.
You know shorter chapters foreverybody to stop and and you
know what's trending, what'stweet?
I don't think the audience hasthe attention span they did back
in the original trilogy dayswhere you could take two years
(39:54):
off between star wars films no,we got it.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I mean, they got to keep.
I mean, and we and you know,there's a lot of hate on disney,
star wars again, because of deiand wokeness or whatever they
want to complain about.
But, but, like, we have to berealistic Disney is in the
business of making money.
That's, that's their business.
Their business isn'tentertaining children, their
(40:17):
business isn't entertainingpeople.
Their, their job is makingmoney through entertainment, you
know.
So they're gonna, they're notgonna do things just for the
sake of entertaining you.
They're, they're good.
There has to be money behind itand they have to be smart about
it.
And you know, I think that, likewith the acolyte, I think that
(40:41):
the acolyte was, it was poorlymarketed, um, I think it tried
too hard to be too many thingsand didn't always get everything
right, um, but I think thatthey, they saw that it was hard.
It's like, um, like when peopletalk about, like, if you want
(41:04):
to start a youtube channel, forexample, and they say, you know
if you're, if you start ayoutube channel about cars, and
then you know, one day you get,uh, you know, a cool hat in the
mail and you decide to do anunboxing about the hat.
You know, your.
Your viewers are used to seeingstuff about cars.
You do car stuff, not hat stuff, so if you're all over the
(41:27):
place, there's nothing for themto grab on to.
And I think that was theproblem with the acolyte is like
there wasn't, like what do I,what do I grab on to here?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
but with skeleton through do you jump up, do you
invest yourself emotionally inthis, as we find out later.
Flawed jedi and who you knowkind of, in this, as we find out
later.
Flawed Jedi, who kind of got alittle obsession here he made a
mistake.
And you're like do you make thatyour lead character?
Do you make the assassin twinwho's kind of abusive to her
(42:00):
sister when they were little?
We have to stay together.
I will kill you if you don't.
If you try to leave me, I'llburn the house down.
Is that your focal point?
There were a lot of people thatweren't the focal point of that
show and there was nothingreally to kind of who was this
story about?
Was this about May?
Was this about OSHA?
(42:20):
Was this about Seoul?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
It was about all of them.
Yeah, and that was.
I think that was one of theproblems.
It was like giving us like waytoo much to try to absorb.
You know, again, the show, theshow was not without flaw, you
know, but that doesn't mean thatit was worthless, it was still.
It still had its moments.
I, I'm actually verydisappointed.
We're not going to find out,you know, more about darth
(42:45):
smiley, more about the twins?
Um, was that plagas at the end?
I mean we're not going to knownow.
I mean we might find out innovelization or comics maybe,
but we're not going to see it onthe screen anytime soon,
unfortunately.
But, um, I, uh, but skeletoncrew man, they, they knocked it
(43:07):
out of the park.
I mean they knocked it out ofthe park.
There's nothing.
I have no criticism at all.
I can find something tocriticize and critique and
everything.
I have no criticism I have.
No, there's nothing.
You know what.
I have no criticism, I have.
(43:30):
No, there's nothing.
There's like you know what, inin uh, I guess it was episode
six when they're on, whenthey're on the resort world and
they get shot out of those tubesand they're walking around in
the snow and nobody reallycomplains about being cold or
anything.
I mean I guess I can complainabout that.
I mean that's not, you know.
Or when they're on that moonand they go to see kim how is
their gravity and atmosphere onthis, you know?
(43:51):
but that's reaching so hard thatI'm looking for a reason to be
angry basically, I'm looking fora reason to be, and I can't, I
just can't find one.
I just cannot.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
I cannot find a reason to be mad at skeleton
crew and and this was the sameway with clone wars Again, I
remember back in the days, onthe fan forums and even within
the costume group, you and ITommy and I could have an
interesting conversation aboutthat.
But on the forums, even withinthe groups, there was a bit
(44:20):
around this time of the seasonfor the show there was still a
little resentment about thisbeing animated.
There were people who werediehard Original Trilogy fans,
who just couldn't process theidea that Star Wars was animated
(44:43):
.
Stormtroopers were better thanClone Troopers because
Stormtroopers were real and evencostume-wise.
When Tommy moved back here toOhio, I was giddy because the
first thing I saw was he had aCaptain Rex and we were doing
events.
And I'm a pilot, a rebel pilotor I'd be a Jedi, but I could
(45:06):
interact with the kid.
I wasn't very in character.
I was sort of that bridgebetween the normals and the ones
who try to play act.
But I would talk to the kid oh,did you see Clone Wars this
week?
Man, yeah, where's Rex?
And I'd have to make someexcuse.
We used to do a laser tag event.
We'd get the guys dressed up,they'd put on laser tag vests
(45:33):
and we'd let the kids shoot us.
For you would have been a rockstar.
I would have paid money toborrow your armor just to be
double wielding, captain rex.
You know, in a laser tag arena.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
We, we did that.
I mean, we're getting way offtopic here, but yeah, that's
okay.
When, when we were um, prior tomoving back to the states, we
were stationed in germany and wedid this thing um years ago,
years and years ago, the 501st,and I'm sure you know, they did
this thing called shoot atrooper and, uh, get some nerf
(45:58):
guns and you, you shoot atpeople dressed up like
stormtroopers for charity, youknow.
With the, with a rise in gun,they decided to move away from
that and the German garrisonsaid we can't do something
called shoot a trooper and wecan't do anything where we're
(46:20):
encouraging people to shoot atour people.
So we ended up having to do itwithout the approval of the
garrison.
So we ended up having to do it.
We couldn't have any 501st orgarrison merchandise or logo or
is there anything like thatshowing.
So we had to be basically likeindependent contractor nerds and
(46:42):
we called it the GalacticShowdown and I did that.
I kitted up in Rex and we gotpeople with Nerf guns to shoot
at me.
They paid money but we ended upraising.
We did it over a weekend and weended up raising over $10,000
for the local Fisher house.
(47:03):
Oh wow, fisher, house oh, wow,and that was like we were.
We did it on base inside of thebx and, yeah, we raised over 10
grand, me, me, louie and acouple of our other friends.
Uh, we did we.
We we kidded up and um, thegerman garrison was mad they
didn't want us to do it.
But we, we can do whatever wewant in our costumes that we
(47:26):
bought and paid for, and youcan't say anything about it, as
long as we don't have any 501stbranding, which we didn't.
But one person showed upwearing their, uh, their 501st
jacket they weren'tparticipating.
They were just there.
They were just they were.
They weren't were just there.
They were just they were.
(47:47):
They weren't even a handler,they were just somebody out of,
out of costume that they showedup.
They had their 501st jacket onand they tried to.
They tried to, um, they wantedto kick me out.
Um, I ended up getting suspendedfor another fraternity brother
right, I ended up getting likehit with a six month suspension,
um, because I went against theGarrison CO.
(48:10):
You know, like most GarrisonCOs, they're so fucking full of
themselves.
Anyway, I'm not going to.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Anyways, tying this back to the point we were
talking about.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Anyway, let me just say I love the 501st, I love the
Rebel Legion, I love the MandoMercs for what they represent.
I love the fact that they'recharity organizations and I love
the fact that they are workingto reach out and interface with
(48:43):
the community.
These costume clubs do a lot ofreally, really good work.
They raise hundreds ofthousands of dollars for charity
.
So, despite the, the individuallittle power trips and things
like that that go on um asorganizations, I, I, I believe
(49:07):
in, in their, I the ideals, Ibelieve in the, the concept
behind the clubs the concept isgreat.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
The execution gets a little murky and tommy, and I
will be starting a podcast wherewe will spill tea on both sides
of the oh shit, okay look attony's about to check out.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
he was like all right , I'm not in 501st, I don't have
a kid.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I'm not, but I like the stories.
It's fun.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
There's a certain element of when these shows
aired versus how they werereceived at the time by the
fandom, by the groups.
I was kind of saying there werepeople who were for lack of a
better term Princess Leiaobsessed.
They hated Clone Wars, becausewho cares about Padme, who cares
(49:54):
about Anakin?
It was always how it affectedthem.
I remember, like I said, duringthe prequel trilogy, the fan
forums, fanforcenet, kind offorums where you just the
internet, sort of opened thedoors to the entire fandom and
it wasn't just your circle ofnerds that you talked to, it was
(50:20):
some creepy guy, I kid you.
Not short story, we had a guyhere in Cleveland.
I was the head of the Clevelandchapter and I had to be Mr
Polite to everybody, even if youwere the most rude, obnoxious
person in the world.
There was a guy.
We called him Pervert Scott, ifthat gives you an idea.
He wasn't even a member of thegroup, he was somebody's plus
(50:44):
one that they kept bringing, andwe got a private screening for
all the work we'd done for atthe opening weekend for, uh,
revenge of the Sith, the moviemanager said hey, your last
night here, you guys go intotheater 13, it's on us.
Well, somebody yeah, one of theguys.
One of our members broughtpervert scott to my private
(51:05):
screening and I'm sitting therewatching and all I hear is all
these rude under-his-breath likestrip club creepy guy comments
he's making about Padme and I'mjust like dude.
If I didn't have to be thedesignated nice guy, I'd be
throwing your ass out of here,pervert.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Scott.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
The adventures of Pervert Scott yeah yeah, and
that's the problem with thefandom menace.
Over time it sort of evolvedinto that where on twitter and
other platforms, where the moretoxic you could be drew more
toxicity to you.
You know the the sequel trilogygot a lot of Hate, gets clicks,
(51:49):
and when you go on a forum andsay how much you hate Rey, she's
a Mary Sue.
Blah, blah, blah.
My mom, hate me.
Whatever that draws attentionfrom other dudes who also want
to be, they want to seekattention for that and they'll
play off of their worstinstincts, whereas people who
(52:13):
actually genuinely enjoy StarWars whether it's if you find
something like we say on theintro, whether you like it or
not, whether you think it's goodor not enjoy.
I always say to people cominginto Star Wars like Tony he's
watching Clone Wars for thefirst time enjoy the ride.
There may be an arc thatdoesn't quite play for you as
(52:36):
well.
You've heard us talk about theUmbara arc.
That particular episode may nothit with you as well, as it does
.
Enjoy the ride.
I should put on a t-shirt, youknow.
You know, phil, our episode isprologue for, for, you know,
dave filoni, because that's whathe'll take a little thing that
he, you know, he played with inseason two.
(52:57):
And now, all of a sudden, it'sa bigger deal and we're going to
find out this year with themandalorians.
There's going to be somethingthat's going to come back, that
has ramifications all the wayinto the Mando verse, if you get
my meaning Boca tan.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
So, and speaking of that, we need to get Katie on
the show too, so we'll have toreach out to her.
So, yeah, I, I don't know, I, I.
One of the main reasons Iwanted to do this show was just
for the positivity.
We need more of it.
The fandom menace is still outthere.
They've been quiet, but they'llbe back.
There was one individual again.
(53:36):
I don't want to name him, buthe is a Star Wars theorist.
He has a lot of theories aboutStar Wars.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
He knows who he is and anybody else who knows who
he is.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Fuck that guy.
Yeah, but he said, he saidsomething when, when, when the
accolade, when it was, when itwas, uh, it was announced that
there wouldn't be a secondseason.
His one of his first commentswas you know, thankfully,
thankfully, we're not gonna geta second season.
And here's, here's why I have aproblem with that.
(54:14):
And then we'll, we'll wrap forthe night, but you say,
thankfully that we're notgetting another season.
You're saying, thankfully we'renot getting more Star Wars.
And that's the problem that Ihave, because it's like, yes,
for you, the Acolyte was awful,it was terrible, it goes against
(54:36):
everything that you believe inand you hated it from top to
bottom.
But there's a dozen other StarWars properties you can engage
with that you do love.
Dozen other star warsproperties you can engage with
that you do love.
But now, by saying, thankfullywe're not getting more acolyte,
what about those people thatwere drawn to star wars because
of the acolyte?
(54:57):
What about the people that wereactually fans of the acolyte
before they were fans of starwars?
You know, they saw the acolyte,for whatever reason, they were
drawn to it and they loved it,and then, because of that, it
opened up this whole new worldof star Wars for them.
Are they going to stay?
(55:17):
Were they only here for theacolyte?
And now that it's gone, they'regone too.
So you know, never, ever everbe thankful that we're not
getting more star wars.
Always be thankful for the starwars that we get.
You don't have to like it.
I don't like all star wars.
I don't like, I don't like thesequels.
(55:39):
I don't hate the sequels, but Idon't like them.
They're, they're okay, you know.
I don't like, you know, everyepisode of the clone wars, you
know.
But I'm thankful that we'regetting something.
I'm thankful that we're gettingstar wars, that we have star
wars, because what I don't like,somebody else is gonna love it
(56:00):
and that's gonna turn them intoa lifelong star wars fan and
they're not gonna like the stuffthat I like.
You know they, they, they'regonna on the hallway scene and
I'm over here like, yeah, so,but that's it on the hallway
scene.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
But come back for something else that's star wars
related I don't think a lot ofpeople I should say a lot of
people, uh, people who makecomments like that, I feel, and
even us original trilogygeneration types, have sort of
forgotten what the dark timesreally were like.
You know, we talk about howthere was a gap from return of
(56:37):
the jedi to the beginning of theexpanding universe with the
books, and then eventually, andthen and then and then.
But when you look at itchronologically, the dark times
was a big gap of time where allof a sudden, star wars is over.
I mean, there was no new movies.
Uh, droids and ewoks were aquick blip as a cartoon, that's
(57:00):
it.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
And we were making our own stories.
We had the action figures, wehad the toys, we were that's and
that's how we kept going and wewere told.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
I'm amazed how many people I've been I'm still
friends with from like gradeschool, high school, even
college, who I was casualfriends with.
But yeah, we didn't really.
Yeah, like I was like thethings we didn't connect with.
I find out later in life.
Oh wait, you like my star wars,but you're a star wars fan.
Why didn't we talk about thiswhen we were 10, 11, 12?
(57:30):
Oh right, because star wars wasover and only you know the
nerds.
Before nerd culture became okayto be popular again, there was
that time where you know, wewere all told you know, shortly
after returning okay, now it'stime to grow up.
Dude, you know cool kid things,but you're cool, that's yeah,
but you're right like star warsfell off.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
Star wars.
It never really went away, Imean, but it but it did end up
like in in my toy box.
You know star wars got replacedwith transformers and gi joe
and you know I was usingstormtroopers, you know, as
fodder for you know transformers, I mean you know the
decepticons were stomping on youknow luke skywalker and kicking
(58:17):
yoda across my bedroom and soit's like they were.
It fell off.
It fell off and then throughthe comics.
But even the comics were wackybecause of the weird licensing.
I mean, if you look at some ofthe old school Star Wars comics,
I mean Luke's wearing greenpants and Vader's helmet is
(58:39):
funky colors and there's reasonsbehind that, and that's a whole
other episode we could talkabout.
Why marvel star wars comicslook as freaking psychedelic as
they do.
There is a reason behind that,but we won't get into that
because we are we're wrapping upfor another time for another
time.
Crash what you had something tosay.
It looked like what else yougot just kind of agreeing.
Speaker 3 (59:01):
Like I said, you know , the clone wars were at a
specific time where a newgeneration of fans were growing
into being Star Wars fans.
Yeah, I would hate for somebodyto says, oh, I'm so glad the
acolyte failed, so we don't eversee that.
Yeah, if somebody had said thatabout Clone Wars in season one
and we kind of talked about thiswhen we were rewatching the
(59:22):
show, that you know if, if, if,if there'd had been a theorist
around back then that was makingstreaming videos, bashing
season one, you wouldn't getseason two, and then the amount
of great Star Wars content juststorytelling that would have
been lost.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
And then Rebels came along and people were mad about
Rebels because of the art style.
But again, that's a whole othershow.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
A whole other show.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
A whole other show because I was one of those
people.
I was like Rebels that looksdumb and I didn't like it.
I hated it first season andthen I was like, oh wait, that
wasn't good.
Now, rebels is probably one ofmy favorite shows.
So anyway, hey, for Christmas I, I was like, oh wait, that
wasn't good.
Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Now, rebels is probably one of my favorite
shows, so anyway, hey, forChristmas I didn't get a lot
because I got a new computer.
You know what would have been areally great thing to get?
I need some Star Wars safespace merch.
Where do I?
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
get that.
That was a really nice segue.
I mean, I had it on my listhere, I was going to do it.
But thank you for uh, for doingthe uh, the, the pimping early
so you can head on over to starwars, to star wars.
Jeez, I can't even head over tocircleofnerdscom slash merch
and, as you can see, uh t to theonly there is wearing that
(01:00:40):
really sweet star wars safespace hoodie and uh.
So yeah, crash, you can go overthere.
We've got the swarzy curiousshirts and hoodies and we've got
the uh, the star wars safespace logo.
We've got some other stuff,other goodies, on there too.
So, yeah, check it out circlenerdscom slash march for all of
your nerdy apparel needs.
(01:01:00):
So thank you for the plug and Iguess that's your not so subtle
way of saying let's go aheadand wrap it up.
Just tell me how I can.
I appreciate you, I appreciateyou.
Well then, maybe next time youshould be the.
We'll make you the brandambassador and you can, you can
do the pimping.
Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Okay, if, tony, he's got to keep the Holocron I could
be the merch for Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, all right, you're the pimper of the merch.
So yeah, tony's the keeper ofthe holocron.
You're the pimper of the merch,got it?
So next week, there's theholocron right there.
There it is For all of ourlisteners.
You can see it All right.
So for next week homework,watch the Clone Wars Season 4,
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episodes 1, 2, and 3.
So we've got a very interestingway that we're breaking down
the clone wars this season.
So if you head on over to ourwebsite uh, circle of nerdscom,
slash the sws show you'll beable to see our roadmap for the
rest of our our season.
So head on over there, followus, of course.
Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
On all the socials and bring a snorkel, or it's
gonna get wet.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Follow us, of course, on all the socials.
And bring a snorkel or it'sgoing to get wet.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
What's that For the homework?
Bring a snorkel.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
It's going to get wet .
Oh yeah, those first fewepisodes Especially.
Yeah, that's what she said.
Oh, wow, oh man, wait, hold on,there we go.
I knew I had the buttonsomewhere.
So, yeah, there we go.
I knew I had the buttonsomewhere.
So, um, yeah, so check us outon all the social medias.
Uh, at the sws show.
I think we are probably moreactive on tiktok than we are
(01:02:35):
anywhere else.
Um, but we're putting out clipsof the show everywhere.
So, whatever your favoriteplatform is, you can check us
out on there.
And, of course, we're onyoutube.
Uh, we do post full videoepisodes of our show on YouTube
and, again, that's at the SWSshow.
Or you can listen to us on yourfavorite podcast platform.
So that's going to do it.
You guys got anything on theway out?
Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Anything, anything, no, like I said, we're just
getting excited about the season.
This is going to be a fun ride.
Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
It is going to be a fun ride.
All right, absolutely All right, looking forward to it, all
right.
So thank you so much for tuningin this week and, of course, as
always, a very special thankyou to all of our active duty
military members and veteransfor their service and sacrifice.
Uh, I absolutely 100 appreciatethat.
And, as always, of course, starwarriors, if no one does
anything nice for you, dosomething nice to yourself, and
(01:03:26):
we're going to see you guys nextweek.
Bye.
right, yep, good coming up this week.
Things are getting dark and wetand if you know, you know it's
star wars, the clone wars,season four.
Right here on your star warssafe space.
Stick around around, hey, hey,hey, howdy there, star Warriors,
(00:39):
welcome to Star Wars Safe Space, your non-toxic, low-sodium
Star Wars show.
That doesn't make you feel badfor not knowing that THX 1138
was the very first film GeorgeLucas ever directed and is
referenced several timesthroughout Star Wars lore.
So, whether you're a hardcorefan or just a little swarzy,
curious, this is indeed yourStar Wars Safe Space, and we are
(01:05):
the Circle of Nerds and we doabsolutely love Star Wars, even
if we don't always like it.
So let's meet the crew, shallwe?
From my left, your right pilotof the infamous Parma Flyer,
it's Crash.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Hi everybody, S-Foil's locked and ready to go.
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
There you go, there you go, and hailing from parts
unknown, it is t to the oniwelcome back to the galaxy,
everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Hope you all had a good holiday yeah, yeah, we'll
talk about that.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We'll talk about that too.
Yeah, thank you for remindingme, because I totally forgot.
We had a holiday and I andtommy d you're more than
slightly obnoxious.
Star wars know it all.
So what are we doing here?
Well, it's very simple.
Our mission is to watch all ofthe canon star wars films and tv
shows in chronological order,mostly breaking them down,
connecting the dots and learninga little more about star wars,
(01:54):
and maybe even about ourselves.
Isn't that just warm and fuzzy?
So word of warning to all ofyou would-be Star Warriors there
will be spoilers.
So we're going to get into it.
We're going to be looking aheadto season four, but first the
news Crash.
(02:15):
You got something for us.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Sadly I do.
Over the holiday we lost AngusMcInnes who played Gold Leader
in A New Hope.
He was the leader of the Y-WingSquadron so I had to bring out
my little Y-Wing to represent.
I met him at my first Star Warscelebration Cool guy.
And then, you know, we talked alot.
(02:37):
I actually patterned my Rebelpilot costume.
Tommy remembers me when I usedto troop with the Rebel Legion.
My X-Wing helmet was done inGold Leader style but in our
squadron colors and I was reallyproud of that.
I actually got to meet himagain after I got out.
I got a picture with him in thehelmet with the helmet and I
(02:59):
told him like man, this isbecause of you and I love
Y-Wings and I thought you knowthey were cool.
Man, this is because of you andI love Y-Wings and I thought
they were cool.
I like the Bombers.
So I was a little sad to hearthat when he passed, because he
was a really good guy and it'sjust one of those things that
you make a connection with someof these people that you see on
these movies and he was a gooddude and he'll be missed.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
All right.
And was he a fan?
I mean, was he one of us?
I think?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
so he was very personal.
He understood the fandom has alot of nitpicky trivia things
that people like to ask about.
He doesn't have the answer tosay everything.
I think he appreciated it.
He did tell me the second timeI saw him we were talking about
how they worked him into RogueOne and how they used old
(03:47):
footage that they'd shot back inthe 70s and he did some ADR
voice recording.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
So when you don't see him on camera that's fresh
dialogue.
But the footage you saw of himwas digitally enhanced stuff
from the 70s so that they couldwork in the original Red Leader
and Gold Leader in the movie.
That's like taking place justhours before New Hope, so he
kind of bookended the saga.
He even had a cameo in thesequel trilogy as part of the
(04:19):
First Order Rise of Skywalker.
He was one of the First firstorder officers in that briefing
conference room that's so coolyeah, so, uh, his family put out
a statement, uh, the christmaseve, I think, saying that he had
passed away and, you know,shout out to the wishbones out
(04:41):
there and if I'm not mistaken,the parma flyer is a Y wing.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, that's sort of my unofficial nickname, for I
guess I might.
When I was a character in therebel legion, my ship, I called
it the Parma flyer.
So shout out to gold leader.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Love it.
Oh, man, you know, and I haveto say, um, rogue one was really
cool for that, like you know,when, when they did digitally I
mean cause, you know, red Leaderwas in there, I mean, we had,
we had all of the originalX-Wing and Y-Wing pilots
represented.
Um, because, yeah, like yousaid this, you know the events
(05:20):
of rogue one.
Well, at the end of Rogue Oneit takes place just maybe hours
before the events of A New Hope,if not sooner, maybe less than
an hour.
I mean, vader was hot on Leia'stail.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
True, that was a great way to tie in the two
movies and I think John Knollsaid in an interview one time,
like you know, he pitched theidea for rogue one to Kathleen
and basically it was like itsays in the scroll.
You know, you know the, the,the first real victory for the.
You know, against the.
You know what if it wasstealing the Death Star plans.
(06:00):
You know, and and how did thatcome about?
It was a great way to tie in anew movie with something that's
been established for well over40 years but they, they, I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think we could have , we could have done without
that.
We didn't.
We didn't necessarily need tosee that crazy uncanny Valley
creepy princess Leah, but Idon't know.
That's me, that's me being anitpicky fan, because other than
that, it's, it's up there, it's, it's it's my number two star
(06:43):
wars film like, out of all ofthe films, it's it's my number
two.
Rogue one is just a great greatstar wars film, absolutely love
it.
I mean, we based we based theintro of this show on the
infamous hallway scene, whichalso divides fans.
There's a lot of fans that findthe hallway scene to be like
(07:07):
really hokey and corny and justI don't know.
A lot of fans don't like thathallway scene and, uh, I don't
know why.
If you're listening, if you'rewatching, please comment, let us
know.
If you don't like the hallwayscene in rogue one, tell us why.
Because me personally, that isexactly how I always wanted to
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see Vader.
We get to see Anakin being acomplete badass and a savage.
We get to see Luke eventuallybeing a badass and a savage, but
not until the Mandalorian.
But not until the Mandalorian,but we never really get to see
Vader really being scary as fuckand rogue one gave us that and
(07:54):
and people kind of.
They kind of poopoo on thehallway scene.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I think there's some.
I'm kind of in between.
I see both sides of the coin.
I think there's this element ofthe nostalgia for that entrance
of Vader.
Everybody talks about howVader's an iconic character in
cinema history.
That shot of him walking in wason all the storybooks when we
(08:19):
were kids.
It was the image you had ofVader, your literally first
image of him, and that was afterthe shock troopers went in and
busted up the hallway defenders.
So the idea that, oh, maybeVader took the first swing, got
through first and what needed totake a breather had to dial up
(08:42):
the asthma machine or something.
I think that's maybe the onlyreason people kind of like, hey,
I had this image of Smoke andVader whooshing in and all that.
Why didn't he just come in andtear up some more guys like he
does in Rogue One?
That's the only reason I cansee people having a problem with
it.
Because you're right, it ispeak Vader to see him with a
(09:03):
lightsaber just plowing throughguys with blasters that have no
idea that they're alreadyscrewed.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Right, and I'm looking something up right now,
but you bring up an interestingpoint too about that image of
Vader where we just see him likelike silhouetted, you know, and
(09:31):
it's just, it's just him andhis lightsaber, and, um, it
reminded me of the cover forsplinter of the mind's eye.
Yeah, and I'm, I'm, I'm pullingit up here, I'll see if I can
drop it in, but um, it's his,his, his saber wasn't out, but
(09:53):
um, that was the first, thefirst uh sequel, uh, two star
Wars that came out in 78.
I think that was like our firstEU book and then it ended up
being like decanonized.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
It was a backup plan in case the movie flopped.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Right, it was a great book.
I encourage everyone to read it.
It's a great book.
You know we hadn't worked outyet that Luke and Leia were
brother and sister, so there's,there's a little.
There's a little game ofThrones going on in there a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
It just hurts to think about.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Sometimes you just think oh, um, but uh, oh man,
where is it?
Where's my?
Uh, where's the?
Where's the image?
Oh my God, I just lost it.
But anyway, um, I'm gonna haveto cut all this out because I
can't, I cannot multitask likeat all clearly, um, so
(10:56):
silhouetting vader silhouette.
Yes, so the hallway scene again,I don't.
I don't know why it gets somuch hate, because I uh, I
absolutely positively 100 lovethe hallway scene in its
entirety, like it's justeverything about.
(11:18):
It is just so freaking badass.
I can't stand it.
I mean it's like you hear thebreath.
The lightsaber ignites as themusic starts and he's just
saucing the hell out of peopleleft and right and the one, the
one trooper, he's just beatingon the door.
(11:40):
Help us, nobody, help us, likethat terror of seeing this, this
giant wheezing, black armored,you know, demon, you know, with
an archaic weapon that youhaven't ever seen before.
You know a lot of those guys.
(12:01):
They didn't, they'd never seena lightsaber before.
This is what you know.
18 years after, after order 66,18, 19 years ish, after order
66.
So some of these guys probablynever saw a lightsaber.
Even if they were alive duringthe time of the Jedi, the
likelihood of them evenencountering a Jedi was slim.
(12:31):
So now here you've got thisscary, like I said, very
demon-like entity walking downthe hall and just destroying
your buds.
I mean, like you know, an hourago you guys were kicking it in
the cantina on the ship and nowVader just takes Ralph force,
pushes him to the ceiling andthen cuts him in half and it's
like wait, wait, what you know,mr Vader, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry we got on the wrongship.
I'm not supposed to be here,I'm supposed to be somewhere
(12:54):
else.
I swear, but and then I thinkat the end, when he's just like
launch.
I love it, tony, please.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I love it, tony, please.
I love that scene too, don'tget me wrong.
I do understand, though, whysome people might have a problem
with it, because now, if you'relooking at it like as an
original person, when you firstsee, okay, yeah, cool In episode
(13:27):
four, you see again, thetroopers have already taken out
most of the guys, and then Vaderwalks in and you see Leia
standing up to him and being herbadass self.
Okay, I can see that, becausewe as an audience haven't seen
Vader do all of that stuff yet.
(13:48):
Right, so it's the.
We know he's the bad guy, weknow he's a threat, but we don't
know to what extent he is.
So like, and again like.
We're literally talking maybean hour's time from the time
that he has that hallway sceneto when he's confronting Leia,
in hours time from the time thathe has that hallway scene to
when he's confronting Leia.
And I'm sorry if I'm Leia andI've experienced and heard this
(14:11):
whole commotion, this wholehallway scene I'm not standing
up to.
I don't care how badass of aprincess I am.
If that guy is threatening me,you win.
Do whatever you got, right.
It's like my bad, my bad bigguy If that guy is threatening
me you win, I'll do whatever Igot Right.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
It's like my bad, my bad Big guy Vader had a very
submissive person Like you know,Tarkin.
Yeah, Some of the officers,even the guy he choked, you know
, sort of like disrespected himin a way.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Oh, absolutely, he's like Vader release him and then,
and then and then, and then youknow, don't try to frighten us
with your, your sorcerer's ways,lord vader, it's like
motherfucker, you've.
You've been around long enough,you know you're.
That guy was old enough toremember the clone wars and he
probably had served in the clonewars in some capacity.
(15:04):
So it's like, wait, vader waslike maybe you forgot who I am,
let me choke this into you herereal quick.
But to see him, but to see himget that physical.
You know, that's not somethingthat we had seen, nor would we
see.
We wouldn't see, I mean untiluntil empire, but even even an
(15:28):
empire.
It was a really a one-sidedfight and he, he was still not
like going off, going off youknow he was toying with Luke in
many ways.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, he wasn't like showing his full straight until
the end.
When Luke clips him on theshoulder and I was like okay,
fuck it this kid's toast.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, but he knew, he knew his name, he knew that
that was his son.
So I mean he was.
I think he was still trying tonot kill him.
But I mean, you know, hedoesn't really have a good track
record for not killing children.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
So as we know, anakin vader.
Well, does you know?
Hands can be replaced easily,easily.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So, all right, anyway , we're supposed to be talking
about the clone wars, but uh,that's what happens when you get
people who love star warstalking about star wars.
So, um, season four, clone wars, uh, we've already, obviously,
we've already watched seasonsone through three.
We've watched a few otherthings, but uh, I think, tony,
(16:36):
have you, have you seen all ofseason four?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I know I have seen none of season four.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Okay, so I know at some point in the Clone Wars
series we would be in unchartedterritory for you because you'd
seen one through three, right?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Prior to us starting to watch it, I had not seen any
of it, oh.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Oh, so this is all brand new to you.
Okay, cool, cool, cool,excellent.
So, seasons one through three,the episodes jump around quite a
bit, as we, as we learned.
So, despite us trying to watcheverything in chronological
order, dave, our lord and savior, feloni, he did kind of throw
us for a loop once or twice, or10 times.
(17:17):
Um, season four, however it, uh, it maintains its its
chronological and release order.
So that's very nice.
So we're going to be watchingall of season four
chronologically in its entirety.
Plus, we're going to bewatching Tales of the Empire,
(17:38):
episode one, becausechronologically that does fall
in during season four.
So we're gonna be watching thatas well.
Um, so, tony, up to this pointand crash, I'm sure you could
probably, uh, agree with me onthis.
On this, up to this point, theclone wars have been fun and, uh
(18:02):
, there's, there's been a fewheavy moments, but shit's about
to get real.
I mean, mean, crash, would youagree with that?
I feel like the series as awhole really starts to get.
This is when people startsaying that the Clone Wars is
dark and gritty and not a kids'show, and then they get made fun
(18:25):
of for saying that Clone Warsis dark and gritty and not a
kids show.
And then they get made fun offor saying that Clone Wars is
dark and gritty.
I think they forget about howthings kick off here with season
four.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, I agree, this is, I want to say, the dividing
line, but this was a part wherethe older audience was starting
to make their voice known about.
Okay, we're cool that it'sanimated, we like that Star Wars
is for kids, but give ussomething a little deeper, a
little darker.
You know Umbara is a metaphorfor darker stories, both
(18:58):
literally and figuratively.
But I think this was the seasonwhere, now that Dave sort of
had a turn around the galaxy ortwo with you know the first
couple seasons and we'veestablished who's who and what's
what, now it was time to reallyput a signature on it.
And I think some of these, youknow we were just before the
(19:20):
show, we were kind of planningout what, what our homework was
going to be, and it's reallygoing to be a case of building
around the particular arc ofepisodes.
You know a three episode arc, afour episode arc.
In some cases you think about itas a viewer that's almost a
month or a month of yeah youknow episode episodic television
(19:43):
where you know you see, likethe first episode, you had to
wait a week for the next episodeand you wait a week for the
next episode.
There were some cliffhangers,little ones and as a younger
viewer, I'm sure it was exciting, because it's like reading a
comic book and you get to thatlast page and it says to be
continued.
You can't wait for the nextissue to come out.
Because it's really easy nowafterwards to binge watch a show
(20:06):
and you go okay, here's plot Ato plot B, to plot C.
But when you've got to waitthat week and you've got to talk
about it with your friends inthe playground and go, hey man,
did you see what happened onUmbara?
Or did you see what happened inthe Mon Cal episode?
There's some great stuff thathappens there.
There's some great.
You're starting to see a shiftin Anakin's personality.
(20:31):
He's taking a little turn tothe dark side in some spots.
Your friend, your buddy, papaPalpatine, you know, is pulling
on the strings in certain ways.
I think you're going to findout.
And this is when it reallystarted to cook.
I said that last season, but interms of these long storm parks
(20:55):
, I promise you, tony, it'sgoing to get good and it's going
to get good quick.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I've already thought that it's been good.
Don't get me wrong, I am lookingforward to seeing it get a
little bit more serious.
Of course know, seasons onethrough three had their moments
of seriousness, but, but sure,but I am definitely intrigued by
this.
Um, one thing that I am goingto try to do for this season
that I have done in the past is,you know, I've always been and
(21:22):
I've talked about this before onthe show that I've always been
a binge watcher, like, like Irarely ever have the patience to
just sit and watch an episodeof something and then have to
wait.
But one thing that I'm going totry to do, especially for this
season, is not do that, sit down, watch one episode and at least
give myself like an hour tothink about it and, you know,
(21:44):
really come to terms with whatI've watched and and about it.
And you know, really come toterms with what I watched and
and and make my, make myexpectations for what's gonna
come in the next one before Isit down and watch that next one
and really like, like, let thatsuspense build up in me.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So that's a good.
That's a good way to look at it.
I remember watching them whenthey first aired.
It's interesting, it's greatwatching them without the
Cartoon Network commercials,because some of these other
shows they used to have was likeI can feel my brain melting.
But when you get on Disney Plusnow and you can kind of go,
okay, I'm going to watch, likewe were talking about earlier,
(22:21):
the episodes, the Mon Cal Arcone, two, three.
Watch the first one.
It's going to end on acliffhanger, you know, and and
enjoy the cliff.
You know, enjoy the moment of Idon't know what's going to
happen.
You know, we know certaincharacters have plot armor
because they're going to be inrevenge of the Sith, but you
want to see how they get out ofthis and that's that's what
(22:43):
really sells some of these arcs.
We've hinted at it before.
I don't want to give too muchaway.
The Umbara arc alone is effingcinema.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
We hype it so much.
I mean we hype it so much, butit's worth the hype.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
And you're going to.
I remember watching it when itfirst aired and there's a moment
that happens.
I was man-tearing because youget so connected to these clones
and you know the bonds theyhave.
There's this.
There's going to be a momentthat's and you're out.
You'll, you'll tell, you'llknow what I'm talking about when
you see it.
It just breaks your heart.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I'm not going to lie.
I was ugly crying.
I'm not, I'm not even gonna lie, I'm not going to lie.
I'm not even going to lie.
I'm not going to lie.
I'm not going to try to standon airs.
I was ugly crying over acartoon, a cartoon, and I, I'm
not.
I'm not ashamed to admit it.
I'm not ashamed to admit itbecause it's just like you said
it.
This is cinema, this is so it's.
(23:52):
It's a master stroke ofstorytelling and it's for for an
animated series, is it?
Is it as as heavy as somethinglike band of brothers or saving
private ryan?
I, I think when, when, whenpeople are like you know, the
clone wars are dark and gritty,and then you get made fun of for
saying that.
I, I don't think that.
I don't think anyone is underany illusions that this is as
heavy as some of these other IPsout there.
I mean, of course, this is notBand of Brothers, this is not
(24:15):
Saving Private Ryan.
It's not that heavy, it's notthat dark and preteen audience.
Um, as an adult, you can stillwatch it and still get all the
(24:39):
feels, especially it crashed,like you said.
You know, as you start becomingemotionally invested, you know,
in some of these characters.
So I mean, when we, when we seethat and this was 2011, 2012, I
think, when this, uh, yeah,yeah, 2011, when, uh, when the
(25:00):
season, when the season came,came out.
So I was uh, I was a youngerman, but uh, Weren't we all.
Weren't we all but?
But I wasn't ready.
I wasn't ready for what we seeat all through the whole.
I mean, there are still somecorny moments, there are some
(25:23):
corny bits, but not nearly asmany.
Like, if even like.
If you do a Google search, ifyou just go into Google and you
type in Star Wars or Clone Wars,season four, and it's going to
bring up the episodes andthere's, you know, the little,
the little thumbnail pictures,just the little thumbnails alone
.
It's like everything is just sodark, everything is so moody
(25:51):
and it's just like what is aboutto happen.
And I think it's at this point.
I think dave is like all right,childhood's over like, and
you'll see that in.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I won't give anything specific away, but as Ahsoka
grows through the Clone Wars, Ifound it interesting that her
outlook on things gets a littledark.
Things are a little moreserious for her.
It's not all snarky commentsand quips with Anakin.
It's like girl's been throughsome stuff and that's starting
(26:26):
to wear on her, and you'll seethat in various episodes I, I
really, I really would love toget to get ashley on the show.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
We we talked, we spoke with ashley.
I've spoken with her a fewtimes.
Um, first time I talked to herwas in celebration europe and uh
, she, uh, she had just launchedthe her universe line.
So she was actually just, shewas just chilling.
They had a little pop-up shopinside inside the, uh, the
(26:59):
convention center, so she wasjust there hanging out.
I didn't even really realize whoit was at first, um, um,
because especially there inEurope, you know, in in Germany
she's not a big deal because shedoesn't do the voice, obviously
, for you know, she doesn't dothe, the, the German voice of of
Ahsoka.
So, um, but I got to, I got totalk to her again at um, uh, fan
(27:30):
expo up there in boston and, uh, we talked to her about the
show, we told her about the showand she, you know she was
really interested in it becauseit's, you know, we're doing
something positive.
So I got her contactinformation and we got to get
her on.
We got, I mean, because we gotto get her up to talk about
Ahsoka and her journey, sherryworking behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I too for years.
I've known Ashley since thebeginning of her universe and,
like I said my sister is like a10th level Padawan of hers.
We saw her at Steel City overthe holidays and she's still
amazing.
She still gets a huge line ofpeople wanting to meet her.
(28:14):
She'll spend as much time asshe can with everyone.
I heard a guy grumbling in lineHi, mr D.
I complained to her.
Hi, I was the guy with the VIPbadge, complaining about how
this is just a kid's show.
He had something he wanted toget signed because he was trying
to complete an item witheverybody.
And you just tell she lovestheir fans.
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She loves the Clone Wars fansbecause she knows everything.
She's got going for her rightnow with her universe, and all
this voice work she's doing camefrom Ahsoka.
She's a fan.
I love talking to her as a fanbecause she gets us.
(28:58):
She'd be a great person to haveon the show just for tell us
your tale.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I would love for us to sit down with, like her and
sam at the same time, and it'llend up being a fucking two hour
long show.
Because you know, and sam wit,we're another one, I, he is
another one who is a fan and heknows his shit.
Oh, he is so smart.
(29:30):
I feel like that guy.
He's forgotten more Star Warsthan I'll ever know, and Dave as
well.
I would love to sit down withDave because Dave is a fan.
Dave played with Star Wars toysas a kid sitting in his bedroom
and now he's playing with thefucking coolest collection of
star wars toys ever and I would.
(29:52):
I don't know if we'll ever getdave on the show, but I, man, we
gotta, we gotta get ashley onat least, because I, we, I do
feel like, as we're, as we'regoing through the clone wars, we
always, always seem to comeback to ahsoka and her journey.
Because as much, as as much asthe clone wars are about anakin
and the relationship betweenanakin and obi-wan, it's also
(30:15):
really, really about ahsoka'sjourney from from little snips,
you know, to this fucking badassbut sad ronin that we see
portrayed by rosario dawson.
You know, this whole evolutionof ahsoka tano is.
(30:39):
I'm getting a little choked up.
Actually, it's, it's just it.
She's such an amazing character.
She's such an amazing character, such a a cool, well-written
character, who has arguably moregrowth than any other star wars
character.
I would say, you know, you cantalk about people's redemption
arcs and all that, but in termsof like this sweeping growth, I
(31:02):
mean it's, it's ahsoka, andwe're still not done.
We're still not done withahsoka.
I mean there's still.
There's still more stories tocome.
So I, oh god, I just I'mlooking forward to it so much.
And we get more clones.
I think, up to this point too,there was a lot of complaining
that you know, this is the clonewars.
We're not seeing a lot of that.
(31:24):
But, brothers and sisters, weget our fair share of clones air
in season four and anddifferent environments and
different.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
You know there were.
There were some.
I'm sure tony would agree therewere.
There were certain stretcheswhere you could tell things kind
of got bogged down in thepolitical weeds.
Yeah, jedi, you know mysticalside of things for a show called
the clone wars.
Every every once in a whileit's good just to throw a bunch
of clone troopers out there anda bunch of battle droids out
(31:56):
there and just say go nuts yeah,and you know we we have to tell
the story of anakin and obi-wanand Palpatine.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
those stories have to be told because they're
relevant, of course, but yeah, Iwant to see more clones.
So, tony, as someone who isfresh and new to all of this, I
have to ask what are your hopes,your dreams, your expectations
(32:28):
for season four, if we haven'talready ruined it for you?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
No, not at all.
I think.
I say this at the start ofevery season.
My biggest thing is I want tosee the character growth.
I want to see these arcs, Iwant to see how they go from
where they are now to where theyend up, and I just I love that
aspect of it yeah, you're for awhile and then we kind of get
(33:12):
away from that because we'recovering other parts of the
galaxy.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
So, yeah, this is a great time to kind of revisit
that side of the galaxy toothat's just.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I'm so excited like I've been like holding back
re-watching this season becauseI want to watch it together.
I want to watch together.
So I'm hoping that some of ourviewers and some of our
listeners are also new with uh,with the show, and you're also
going to be watching it togetherwith us, um, because there's
(33:46):
also a lot that I've forgotten,you know.
So I mean, there's, you know,I've seen, I've seen the clone
wars in its entirety, maybethree times, I think I've
watched it, um, but but again,it's like maybe every few years
I'll watch some of it, and sothere's, there's a lot I've
forgotten, so, and but I I'm,I'm excited for people to see it
(34:11):
with fresh eyes, like tonyright, and because I admit, you
know, the last since I've comeon this show, I told you off
camera one time I was like I'vewatched these things so many
times, I'm an angry bingewatcher.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
If I was like, oh, I feel like clone wars, I gotta
start at season one and justchow through each season because
I'm like, oh man, I can't skipseason two.
There was that thing here,there was this thing here and I,
you know, it's just the.
There's a flow to the way that,the way this show grows over
time, that I, you know you watchthem.
You know in in completion andsee, you know, in sequence and
(34:44):
like we talk about story arcs,the other three, four episodes
that all are relevant to eachother, yeah, you gotta watch all
three or four of them,otherwise you might you miss
that little D and and you knowDave's telling you know many.
There are many movies.
It's almost like shows wherepeople online complain is oh.
Online complain is oh.
(35:05):
I can't get into, say, skeletonCrew, like we talked about in
the other show, because it'sonly 30, 40 minutes long.
Yeah, but it's eight episodesof good Star Wars content broken
down because we, the audience,have such a short attention span
.
Now They've realized, okay, wecan't just put out a trilogy of
(35:27):
feature-length films because youpeople have to be on your
phones that they've realized,okay, we can't just put out a
trilogy of feature length filmsbecause you people have to be on
your phones every 10 minutessaying what happened here.
Oh, my God, did you see that?
They're breaking it down for us?
They're breaking it down for uslike a fraction because they
realize a lot of the audiencecan't sit through an
Avengersgers endgame marathonevery other day or or a five
(35:50):
hour, lord of the rings.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Oh ended director's cut I.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I love peter jackson's enthusiasm for that,
for that ip, but my god man, Ihave to pee right, and so it's
like you know, I, I agree, Iagree 100.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I am very, very grateful and I'm very thankful
that we're getting things inbite size, easily digestible
chunks like this.
I would.
I would have liked for skeletoncrew to be a little bit longer
in terms of episode lengthcloser to that 50 minute hour.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
You know, like basic tv kind of setup would have been
nice.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
But it works the way it is now.
Everything is very snappy withthe pacing, like the Acolyte.
I liked the Acolyte.
I know I mean people getcrucified for saying that, but
not on this show, you won't.
But one thing that I alwaysprobably my biggest complaint
about the Acolyte was the pacingthe pacing of the episodes was
(36:51):
a little bit janky sometimes.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I just re-watched that over the holidays and I
agree it's a great again.
It's like I said on the othershow about skeleton, group
acolyte was great.
It would not have been a greatmovie up against top gun
maverick or whatever was comingout that time of year where it
would have been middle of thetier of the box office.
(37:13):
It would have been a flop.
You'd never hear about it,because you just can't rally the
entire Star Wars fandom to go.
Hey, go check out this newmovie every year.
I think one of the few mistakesDisney did make since their
takeover was this new sequeltrilogy and then the anthologies
in between.
A new movie a year was tough,especially when they're trying
(37:36):
to announce a Star Warscelebration every year to
promote it.
That's hard on the wallet, guys.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
But I think Acolyte could have worked as a movie.
Iolyte could have worked as amovie.
I think it could have worked asa movie.
I think I would have been coolwatching an hour and a half two
hour movie of the acolyte thatends on a cliffhanger with the
prospect of maybe another moviein a couple of years.
Um, but I mean I happy withwith what we got and I do agree,
(38:08):
I think that the, the, the TVseries doing it in that format
it's just easier.
I mean, each episode costs asmuch as a whole fucking movie.
So it's not like they'rethey're skimping out on anything
.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
But and compare that to strange new worlds.
I'm watching season two of thatnow, so good, yeah.
And that's another tricky thingwhere there's so many streaming
services now that I think partof the problem.
You know, people look at the Idon't know how they do streaming
ratings, but you know the.
The word is that the, theratings for, like, a show like
(38:42):
skeleton crew, are low.
Well, it's low because there'sso many platforms now, there's
so many streaming shows now,that people can't.
You got to commit to somethingand exclude everything else
because I don't know about you,I don't have the attention span
to watch you know one show andthen jump to another show, then
jump to another.
Yeah, and yeah, I'm a, I'm abender, I do like to watch.
(39:04):
You know when I watch, like Isaid, when, when I watch Clone
Wars, I start season one and Idon't stop till the end Because
I just I want to take it all in.
I don't like jumping timelinesand stuff like that.
But even with Strange NewWorlds, I think they only have
maybe I think it was nine oreight or nine episodes,
something like that.
Yeah, for the kind ofproduction budget that show
(39:33):
episodes something like that.
Yeah, for the kind ofproduction budget there.
You know that show is like toptier.
You know those sets areimmaculate 10 and the amount of
you know same.
And that's what happened withaccolade.
They wanted feature-length, toptier looking production quality
.
But you're breaking it downinto short.
You know shorter chapters foreverybody to stop and and you
know what's trending, what'stweet?
I don't think the audience hasthe attention span they did back
in the original trilogy dayswhere you could take two years
(39:54):
off between star wars films no,we got it.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I mean, they got to keep.
I mean, and we and you know,there's a lot of hate on disney,
star wars again, because of deiand wokeness or whatever they
want to complain about.
But, but, like, we have to berealistic Disney is in the
business of making money.
That's, that's their business.
Their business isn'tentertaining children, their
(40:17):
business isn't entertainingpeople.
Their, their job is makingmoney through entertainment, you
know.
So they're gonna, they're notgonna do things just for the
sake of entertaining you.
They're, they're good.
There has to be money behind itand they have to be smart about
it.
And you know, I think that, likewith the acolyte, I think that
(40:41):
the acolyte was, it was poorlymarketed, um, I think it tried
too hard to be too many thingsand didn't always get everything
right, um, but I think thatthey, they saw that it was hard.
It's like, um, like when peopletalk about, like, if you want
(41:04):
to start a youtube channel, forexample, and they say, you know
if you're, if you start ayoutube channel about cars, and
then you know, one day you get,uh, you know, a cool hat in the
mail and you decide to do anunboxing about the hat.
You know, your.
Your viewers are used to seeingstuff about cars.
You do car stuff, not hat stuff, so if you're all over the
(41:27):
place, there's nothing for themto grab on to.
And I think that was theproblem with the acolyte is like
there wasn't, like what do I,what do I grab on to here?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
but with skeleton through do you jump up, do you
invest yourself emotionally inthis, as we find out later.
Flawed jedi and who you knowkind of, in this, as we find out
later.
Flawed Jedi, who kind of got alittle obsession here he made a
mistake.
And you're like do you make thatyour lead character?
Do you make the assassin twinwho's kind of abusive to her
(42:00):
sister when they were little?
We have to stay together.
I will kill you if you don't.
If you try to leave me, I'llburn the house down.
Is that your focal point?
There were a lot of people thatweren't the focal point of that
show and there was nothingreally to kind of who was this
story about?
Was this about May?
Was this about OSHA?
(42:20):
Was this about Seoul?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
It was about all of them.
Yeah, and that was.
I think that was one of theproblems.
It was like giving us like waytoo much to try to absorb.
You know, again, the show, theshow was not without flaw, you
know, but that doesn't mean thatit was worthless, it was still.
It still had its moments.
I, I'm actually verydisappointed.
We're not going to find out,you know, more about darth
(42:45):
smiley, more about the twins?
Um, was that plagas at the end?
I mean we're not going to knownow.
I mean we might find out innovelization or comics maybe,
but we're not going to see it onthe screen anytime soon,
unfortunately.
But, um, I, uh, but skeletoncrew man, they, they knocked it
(43:07):
out of the park.
I mean they knocked it out ofthe park.
There's nothing.
I have no criticism at all.
I can find something tocriticize and critique and
everything.
I have no criticism I have.
No, there's nothing.
You know what.
I have no criticism, I have.
(43:30):
No, there's nothing.
There's like you know what, inin uh, I guess it was episode
six when they're on, whenthey're on the resort world and
they get shot out of those tubesand they're walking around in
the snow and nobody reallycomplains about being cold or
anything.
I mean I guess I can complainabout that.
I mean that's not, you know.
Or when they're on that moonand they go to see kim how is
their gravity and atmosphere onthis, you know?
(43:51):
but that's reaching so hard thatI'm looking for a reason to be
angry basically, I'm looking fora reason to be, and I can't, I
just can't find one.
I just cannot.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
I cannot find a reason to be mad at skeleton
crew and and this was the sameway with clone wars Again, I
remember back in the days, onthe fan forums and even within
the costume group, you and ITommy and I could have an
interesting conversation aboutthat.
But on the forums, even withinthe groups, there was a bit
(44:20):
around this time of the seasonfor the show there was still a
little resentment about thisbeing animated.
There were people who werediehard Original Trilogy fans,
who just couldn't process theidea that Star Wars was animated
(44:43):
.
Stormtroopers were better thanClone Troopers because
Stormtroopers were real and evencostume-wise.
When Tommy moved back here toOhio, I was giddy because the
first thing I saw was he had aCaptain Rex and we were doing
events.
And I'm a pilot, a rebel pilotor I'd be a Jedi, but I could
(45:06):
interact with the kid.
I wasn't very in character.
I was sort of that bridgebetween the normals and the ones
who try to play act.
But I would talk to the kid oh,did you see Clone Wars this
week?
Man, yeah, where's Rex?
And I'd have to make someexcuse.
We used to do a laser tag event.
We'd get the guys dressed up,they'd put on laser tag vests
(45:33):
and we'd let the kids shoot us.
For you would have been a rockstar.
I would have paid money toborrow your armor just to be
double wielding, captain rex.
You know, in a laser tag arena.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
We, we did that.
I mean, we're getting way offtopic here, but yeah, that's
okay.
When, when we were um, prior tomoving back to the states, we
were stationed in germany and wedid this thing um years ago,
years and years ago, the 501st,and I'm sure you know, they did
this thing called shoot atrooper and, uh, get some nerf
(45:58):
guns and you, you shoot atpeople dressed up like
stormtroopers for charity, youknow.
With the, with a rise in gun,they decided to move away from
that and the German garrisonsaid we can't do something
called shoot a trooper and wecan't do anything where we're
(46:20):
encouraging people to shoot atour people.
So we ended up having to do itwithout the approval of the
garrison.
So we ended up having to do it.
We couldn't have any 501st orgarrison merchandise or logo or
is there anything like thatshowing.
So we had to be basically likeindependent contractor nerds and
(46:42):
we called it the GalacticShowdown and I did that.
I kitted up in Rex and we gotpeople with Nerf guns to shoot
at me.
They paid money but we ended upraising.
We did it over a weekend and weended up raising over $10,000
for the local Fisher house.
(47:03):
Oh wow, fisher, house oh, wow,and that was like we were.
We did it on base inside of thebx and, yeah, we raised over 10
grand, me, me, louie and acouple of our other friends.
Uh, we did we.
We we kidded up and um, thegerman garrison was mad they
didn't want us to do it.
But we, we can do whatever wewant in our costumes that we
(47:26):
bought and paid for, and youcan't say anything about it, as
long as we don't have any 501stbranding, which we didn't.
But one person showed upwearing their, uh, their 501st
jacket they weren'tparticipating.
They were just there.
They were just they were.
They weren't were just there.
They were just they were.
(47:47):
They weren't even a handler,they were just somebody out of,
out of costume that they showedup.
They had their 501st jacket onand they tried to.
They tried to, um, they wantedto kick me out.
Um, I ended up getting suspendedfor another fraternity brother
right, I ended up getting likehit with a six month suspension,
um, because I went against theGarrison CO.
(48:10):
You know, like most GarrisonCOs, they're so fucking full of
themselves.
Anyway, I'm not going to.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Anyways, tying this back to the point we were
talking about.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Anyway, let me just say I love the 501st, I love the
Rebel Legion, I love the MandoMercs for what they represent.
I love the fact that they'recharity organizations and I love
the fact that they are workingto reach out and interface with
(48:43):
the community.
These costume clubs do a lot ofreally, really good work.
They raise hundreds ofthousands of dollars for charity
.
So, despite the, the individuallittle power trips and things
like that that go on um asorganizations, I, I, I believe
(49:07):
in, in their, I the ideals, Ibelieve in the, the concept
behind the clubs the concept isgreat.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
The execution gets a little murky and tommy, and I
will be starting a podcast wherewe will spill tea on both sides
of the oh shit, okay look attony's about to check out.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
he was like all right , I'm not in 501st, I don't have
a kid.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I'm not, but I like the stories.
It's fun.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
There's a certain element of when these shows
aired versus how they werereceived at the time by the
fandom, by the groups.
I was kind of saying there werepeople who were for lack of a
better term Princess Leiaobsessed.
They hated Clone Wars, becausewho cares about Padme, who cares
(49:54):
about Anakin?
It was always how it affectedthem.
I remember, like I said, duringthe prequel trilogy, the fan
forums, fanforcenet, kind offorums where you just the
internet, sort of opened thedoors to the entire fandom and
it wasn't just your circle ofnerds that you talked to, it was
(50:20):
some creepy guy, I kid you.
Not short story, we had a guyhere in Cleveland.
I was the head of the Clevelandchapter and I had to be Mr
Polite to everybody, even if youwere the most rude, obnoxious
person in the world.
There was a guy.
We called him Pervert Scott, ifthat gives you an idea.
He wasn't even a member of thegroup, he was somebody's plus
(50:44):
one that they kept bringing, andwe got a private screening for
all the work we'd done for atthe opening weekend for, uh,
revenge of the Sith, the moviemanager said hey, your last
night here, you guys go intotheater 13, it's on us.
Well, somebody yeah, one of theguys.
One of our members broughtpervert scott to my private
(51:05):
screening and I'm sitting therewatching and all I hear is all
these rude under-his-breath likestrip club creepy guy comments
he's making about Padme and I'mjust like dude.
If I didn't have to be thedesignated nice guy, I'd be
throwing your ass out of here,pervert.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Scott.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
The adventures of Pervert Scott yeah yeah, and
that's the problem with thefandom menace.
Over time it sort of evolvedinto that where on twitter and
other platforms, where the moretoxic you could be drew more
toxicity to you.
You know the the sequel trilogygot a lot of Hate, gets clicks,
(51:49):
and when you go on a forum andsay how much you hate Rey, she's
a Mary Sue.
Blah, blah, blah.
My mom, hate me.
Whatever that draws attentionfrom other dudes who also want
to be, they want to seekattention for that and they'll
play off of their worstinstincts, whereas people who
(52:13):
actually genuinely enjoy StarWars whether it's if you find
something like we say on theintro, whether you like it or
not, whether you think it's goodor not enjoy.
I always say to people cominginto Star Wars like Tony he's
watching Clone Wars for thefirst time enjoy the ride.
There may be an arc thatdoesn't quite play for you as
(52:36):
well.
You've heard us talk about theUmbara arc.
That particular episode may nothit with you as well, as it does
.
Enjoy the ride.
I should put on a t-shirt, youknow.
You know, phil, our episode isprologue for, for, you know,
dave filoni, because that's whathe'll take a little thing that
he, you know, he played with inseason two.
(52:57):
And now, all of a sudden, it'sa bigger deal and we're going to
find out this year with themandalorians.
There's going to be somethingthat's going to come back, that
has ramifications all the wayinto the Mando verse, if you get
my meaning Boca tan.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
So, and speaking of that, we need to get Katie on
the show too, so we'll have toreach out to her.
So, yeah, I, I don't know, I, I.
One of the main reasons Iwanted to do this show was just
for the positivity.
We need more of it.
The fandom menace is still outthere.
They've been quiet, but they'llbe back.
There was one individual again.
(53:36):
I don't want to name him, buthe is a Star Wars theorist.
He has a lot of theories aboutStar Wars.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
He knows who he is and anybody else who knows who
he is.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Fuck that guy.
Yeah, but he said, he saidsomething when, when, when the
accolade, when it was, when itwas, uh, it was announced that
there wouldn't be a secondseason.
His one of his first commentswas you know, thankfully,
thankfully, we're not gonna geta second season.
And here's, here's why I have aproblem with that.
(54:14):
And then we'll, we'll wrap forthe night, but you say,
thankfully that we're notgetting another season.
You're saying, thankfully we'renot getting more Star Wars.
And that's the problem that Ihave, because it's like, yes,
for you, the Acolyte was awful,it was terrible, it goes against
(54:36):
everything that you believe inand you hated it from top to
bottom.
But there's a dozen other StarWars properties you can engage
with that you do love.
Dozen other star warsproperties you can engage with
that you do love.
But now, by saying, thankfullywe're not getting more acolyte,
what about those people thatwere drawn to star wars because
of the acolyte?
(54:57):
What about the people that wereactually fans of the acolyte
before they were fans of starwars?
You know, they saw the acolyte,for whatever reason, they were
drawn to it and they loved it,and then, because of that, it
opened up this whole new worldof star Wars for them.
Are they going to stay?
(55:17):
Were they only here for theacolyte?
And now that it's gone, they'regone too.
So you know, never, ever everbe thankful that we're not
getting more star wars.
Always be thankful for the starwars that we get.
You don't have to like it.
I don't like all star wars.
I don't like, I don't like thesequels.
(55:39):
I don't hate the sequels, but Idon't like them.
They're, they're okay, you know.
I don't like, you know, everyepisode of the clone wars, you
know.
But I'm thankful that we'regetting something.
I'm thankful that we're gettingstar wars, that we have star
wars, because what I don't like,somebody else is gonna love it
(56:00):
and that's gonna turn them intoa lifelong star wars fan and
they're not gonna like the stuffthat I like.
You know they, they, they'regonna on the hallway scene and
I'm over here like, yeah, so,but that's it on the hallway
scene.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
But come back for something else that's star wars
related I don't think a lot ofpeople I should say a lot of
people, uh, people who makecomments like that, I feel, and
even us original trilogygeneration types, have sort of
forgotten what the dark timesreally were like.
You know, we talk about howthere was a gap from return of
(56:37):
the jedi to the beginning of theexpanding universe with the
books, and then eventually, andthen and then and then.
But when you look at itchronologically, the dark times
was a big gap of time where allof a sudden, star wars is over.
I mean, there was no new movies.
Uh, droids and ewoks were aquick blip as a cartoon, that's
(57:00):
it.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
And we were making our own stories.
We had the action figures, wehad the toys, we were that's and
that's how we kept going and wewere told.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
I'm amazed how many people I've been I'm still
friends with from like gradeschool, high school, even
college, who I was casualfriends with.
But yeah, we didn't really.
Yeah, like I was like thethings we didn't connect with.
I find out later in life.
Oh wait, you like my star wars,but you're a star wars fan.
Why didn't we talk about thiswhen we were 10, 11, 12?
(57:30):
Oh right, because star wars wasover and only you know the
nerds.
Before nerd culture became okayto be popular again, there was
that time where you know, wewere all told you know, shortly
after returning okay, now it'stime to grow up.
Dude, you know cool kid things,but you're cool, that's yeah,
but you're right like star warsfell off.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
Star wars.
It never really went away, Imean, but it but it did end up
like in in my toy box.
You know star wars got replacedwith transformers and gi joe
and you know I was usingstormtroopers, you know, as
fodder for you know transformers, I mean you know the
decepticons were stomping on youknow luke skywalker and kicking
(58:17):
yoda across my bedroom and soit's like they were.
It fell off.
It fell off and then throughthe comics.
But even the comics were wackybecause of the weird licensing.
I mean, if you look at some ofthe old school Star Wars comics,
I mean Luke's wearing greenpants and Vader's helmet is
(58:39):
funky colors and there's reasonsbehind that, and that's a whole
other episode we could talkabout.
Why marvel star wars comicslook as freaking psychedelic as
they do.
There is a reason behind that,but we won't get into that
because we are we're wrapping upfor another time for another
time.
Crash what you had something tosay.
It looked like what else yougot just kind of agreeing.
Speaker 3 (59:01):
Like I said, you know , the clone wars were at a
specific time where a newgeneration of fans were growing
into being Star Wars fans.
Yeah, I would hate for somebodyto says, oh, I'm so glad the
acolyte failed, so we don't eversee that.
Yeah, if somebody had said thatabout Clone Wars in season one
and we kind of talked about thiswhen we were rewatching the
(59:22):
show, that you know if, if, if,if there'd had been a theorist
around back then that was makingstreaming videos, bashing
season one, you wouldn't getseason two, and then the amount
of great Star Wars content juststorytelling that would have
been lost.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
And then Rebels came along and people were mad about
Rebels because of the art style.
But again, that's a whole othershow.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
A whole other show.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
A whole other show because I was one of those
people.
I was like Rebels that looksdumb and I didn't like it.
I hated it first season andthen I was like, oh wait, that
wasn't good.
Now, rebels is probably one ofmy favorite shows.
So anyway, hey, for Christmas I, I was like, oh wait, that
wasn't good.
Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Now, rebels is probably one of my favorite
shows, so anyway, hey, forChristmas I didn't get a lot
because I got a new computer.
You know what would have been areally great thing to get?
I need some Star Wars safespace merch.
Where do I?
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
get that.
That was a really nice segue.
I mean, I had it on my listhere, I was going to do it.
But thank you for uh, for doingthe uh, the, the pimping early
so you can head on over to starwars, to star wars.
Jeez, I can't even head over tocircleofnerdscom slash merch
and, as you can see, uh t to theonly there is wearing that
(01:00:40):
really sweet star wars safespace hoodie and uh.
So yeah, crash, you can go overthere.
We've got the swarzy curiousshirts and hoodies and we've got
the uh, the star wars safespace logo.
We've got some other stuff,other goodies, on there too.
So, yeah, check it out circlenerdscom slash march for all of
your nerdy apparel needs.
(01:01:00):
So thank you for the plug and Iguess that's your not so subtle
way of saying let's go aheadand wrap it up.
Just tell me how I can.
I appreciate you, I appreciateyou.
Well then, maybe next time youshould be the.
We'll make you the brandambassador and you can, you can
do the pimping.
Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Okay, if, tony, he's got to keep the Holocron I could
be the merch for Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, all right, you're the pimper of the merch.
So yeah, tony's the keeper ofthe holocron.
You're the pimper of the merch,got it?
So next week, there's theholocron right there.
There it is For all of ourlisteners.
You can see it All right.
So for next week homework,watch the Clone Wars Season 4,
(01:01:41):
episodes 1, 2, and 3.
So we've got a very interestingway that we're breaking down
the clone wars this season.
So if you head on over to ourwebsite uh, circle of nerdscom,
slash the sws show you'll beable to see our roadmap for the
rest of our our season.
So head on over there, followus, of course.
Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
On all the socials and bring a snorkel, or it's
gonna get wet.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Follow us, of course, on all the socials.
And bring a snorkel or it'sgoing to get wet.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
What's that For the homework?
Bring a snorkel.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
It's going to get wet .
Oh yeah, those first fewepisodes Especially.
Yeah, that's what she said.
Oh, wow, oh man, wait, hold on,there we go.
I knew I had the buttonsomewhere.
So, yeah, there we go.
I knew I had the buttonsomewhere.
So, um, yeah, so check us outon all the social medias.
Uh, at the sws show.
I think we are probably moreactive on tiktok than we are
(01:02:35):
anywhere else.
Um, but we're putting out clipsof the show everywhere.
So, whatever your favoriteplatform is, you can check us
out on there.
And, of course, we're onyoutube.
Uh, we do post full videoepisodes of our show on YouTube
and, again, that's at the SWSshow.
Or you can listen to us on yourfavorite podcast platform.
So that's going to do it.
You guys got anything on theway out?
Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Anything, anything, no, like I said, we're just
getting excited about the season.
This is going to be a fun ride.
Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
It is going to be a fun ride.
All right, absolutely All right, looking forward to it, all
right.
So thank you so much for tuningin this week and, of course, as
always, a very special thankyou to all of our active duty
military members and veteransfor their service and sacrifice.
Uh, I absolutely 100 appreciatethat.
And, as always, of course, starwarriors, if no one does
anything nice for you, dosomething nice to yourself, and
(01:03:26):
we're going to see you guys nextweek.
Bye.
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