Clone Wars Rewatch-Season 5: Episodes 10-13

We wrestle with Clone Wars Season 5’s D-Squad arc, from awkward open to meaningful payoff, and dig into why Gregor’s awakening still hits hard. Tales of the Underworld steals the news cycle as we hope for character-first stories that fix gaps and deepen the saga.

• rewatching the droid-led mission and its tonal pivot
• why easter eggs and signage make the city feel real
• Gregor’s helmet marks, identity, and trauma
• Ventress and Cad Bane teases in Tales of the Underworld
• Andor’s weight on Rogue One and grief
• Finn, representation, and anthology fixes
• Boba Fett’s reinvention and community-building
• calls for Tales of the Droids across eras
• homework: S5 E1, E14, E15, E16 in that order
• merch shout and Swarzy Curious group guidelines

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_03 (00:32):
Hold on, I gotta reset.
I gotta re reboot here.
Hold on.
Okay.
It's it's being weird.
Wait.
Wait, no.

SPEAKER_06 (00:42):
Did you plug the red thing into the blue thing?

SPEAKER_03 (00:46):
No, literally everything like lagged out.
And I'm like, it's like we'rewe're having a problem doing
this, and it's this isn'tworking.
Everything lagged out, and thennow I'm looking and it says
we've been live for a minute.
Hi guys.
Hi everybody.
Oh boy.
All right.
Let's let's do the thing, shallwe?
Click.

(01:06):
Take two.
Well, we can't do take twobecause we're live.
Just just do it.
Just do the thing.
All right.
And you thought the clone warscouldn't get any weirder.
Well, think again.
This week we've got a froggeneral, droids with attitude,
R2 D2 going on the suicidemission, and somehow it all
works out.
It's the Clone Wars season five,episodes 10, 11, 12, 13.

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Welcome.
We are the Circle of Nerds, andwe do absolutely love Star Wars,
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SPEAKER_06 (02:31):
How's it going, everybody?
Uh, we're in prime form tonight.
Let's SO is locked and ready togo.

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We're just a ragbad tag band of misfits.
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And from parts unknown, it's Tto the Odi.

SPEAKER_02 (02:49):
Welcome back to the galaxy, everybody.
Apparently, we're having a guesthost with us today, uh, our good
friend technical difficulties.
But we're here.
We're doing it.
Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 (02:59):
All right.
And we would be remiss if wedidn't.
There we go.
And uh from all the parts, it'suh technical difficulty.
There they are, right there.
Just uh a blank screen.
Gotta love it.
All right.
So what are we doing here?
Well, our mission is to watchall of the canon Star Wars films
and TV shows in chronologicalorder, bringing them down,
connecting the dots, andlearning more about Star Wars

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and maybe even a little bitabout ourselves.
And a word of warning to all youwould-be Star Warriors, there
will be spoilers.
So please be prepared for that.
If you haven't uh caught up withwhere we are right now on our
current journey, um get caughtup.
Hit pause, go watch the lastfour episodes of the uh season

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five of the Clone Wars, episodes10, 11, 12, and 13, and then
come on back.
We'll be here.
All right.
So we're gonna get into theseepisodes, but first we've we've
got a little news, right?
It's been it was a busy week forit has been a busy week for Star
Wars.
So who wants to who wants totake it?
Because I mean, there is I'm I'mgeeked out about the Tales of

(04:03):
the Underworld trailer.
Uh-huh.
Andor's right around the corner.

SPEAKER_06 (04:09):
Oh man, that that one I'm getting excited about
because the first season was sogood.
And I'm not one of those peoplethat are like Andor is peak
star.
It was good, it was damn good.
And I like the fact that we'restarting to mesh that show with
Rogue One, and that's where thethe connection is gonna start
coming in.
And that's this is that's myjam.

SPEAKER_03 (04:30):
And what what really kind kind of sucks about Andor,
I don't know, Andor doesn'tsuck, but what sucks about Andor
is that they're they're creatingthese characters that we're
growing attached to, you know,and we're learning more about,
and it just makes Rogue One thatmuch more difficult to watch.

(04:54):
So I it's just it's like it'slike now going back, you know,
rewatching the Clone Wars.
A lot of this is new territoryfor Tony.
Um you know, but like I Ihaven't watched the Clone Wars
in, I don't know, probably like10 years.
Maybe not quite that long, butit it's it's been a while, it's

(05:15):
been several years since Iwatched the Clone Wars,
especially this season five thatwe're in right now.
It's been a long time since I'veseen season five.
So watching the arc this week,there were a lot of moments I
didn't remember initially.
So I was like, wait, what wasit?
Wait, oh no, oh, oh you know,but then I I know about the fate

(05:36):
of certain other characters andthings like that, so it wasn't
too much.
Sherry, on the other hand,because we always watch
together, Sherry is not aware ofthe fate of certain characters
at this point.

SPEAKER_06 (05:48):
Uh, so she was she was a bit heartbroken at uh at
the end of this arc, and it justreinforced like I've I'm almost
like a yearly rewatch kind ofguy, so I'm well versed with
this this show, and watchingthat moment that we're gonna
talk about not knowing at thetime, yeah, when it first aired,

(06:10):
there are moments where you knowI I'm either like level up here,
you know, happy, or down here,just like distraught.

SPEAKER_03 (06:17):
And that was one of those just like oh right in the
fields, right in the field, andthat's that's the thing about
the clone wars.
It's like you know, it kind ofsometimes it just plods along,
and it's just it can be a choreto get through.
Like the first like being thefirst episode in this arc, yeah.
The being in the void, the firstepisode in this arc, it was a

(06:39):
little bit of a slog.
I kind of felt like we were inseason one again.
Um, I get it, you gotta lay thefoundation, of course.
Um, but then you know, we get tothe city and things start to
pick up a little bit, and thenyou know, we continue on and and
things start to pick up.
So uh it wasn't bad.
Uh Tony, we're gonna we're gonnastart with you this week because

(06:59):
I want to hear your thoughts onon this um this arc, but we've
got to talk about um we've gotto talk about tales.
Let me get it uh let me get thisadded here.
We've gotta talk about tales ofthe underworld.
Should we just roll the trailer?

SPEAKER_06 (07:18):
Yeah, let's just take a look at it and then we'll
kind of play it again and maybediscuss.

SPEAKER_03 (07:22):
All right, here we go.
Stand by for all of our all ofour podcast listener.
Uh, I'm glad you're able towatch along with us on uh on
Spotify or wherever you'relistening to us.
I'm sorry, this is so dumb to dothis.
But we're live streaming too.
It'll sound awesome.
Just gonna listen.
It'll sound awesome.
Yeah, because whoever whoeverput this trailer together,

(07:45):
bravo.
Because it is so good.
All right, let's go, let's doit.

SPEAKER_00 (07:58):
Never can be too cautious with a strange so good.

SPEAKER_03 (08:17):
So many questions here.

SPEAKER_06 (08:23):
And what's great is we know from past seasons that
they'll overlap these twocharacters like throughout their
lives.
You know, yeah, like the Dookuarc, you know, it it hopped a
few years at a time, but it wasall kind of a story throughout.
I I'm really looking forward toseeing bit more of his
backstory.

SPEAKER_03 (08:43):
Look at Baby Bane.
We had Baby Bane.

SPEAKER_01 (08:45):
I was Count Dooku's lead assassin.

SPEAKER_06 (08:49):
And everybody after Bad Batch was asking what's
gonna happen to Venture.
So this is a great additionwithout having to pull a whole
series out to do it.
Great cut there.
I love just juxtaposition there,and it's just great.

unknown (09:09):
No one needs to die.

SPEAKER_03 (09:11):
Interesting saber color for massage as well.

SPEAKER_01 (09:15):
It is.
I just want to listen, listen,listen.

SPEAKER_03 (09:55):
So I I like I like that little it will be
potentially a uh a bit of a of athrowback to uh to Yoda there.
I'm not afraid.
You will be, you will be, butlike just whoever whoever put
that together, I don't know ifit was a team or one person, but

(10:19):
just the the audio design of it,like the sound effects going in
time to the music.
It was just the first time Iwatched it, it was just a work
of art, and I just I absolutelylove it.
So, thoughts on the trailer, andwe'll just run it in the
background here because why not?
Okay, Disney, Disney.
We're only we're not doing thisto get money, we're doing this

(10:40):
because we love you.
So please don't hit us with acease and desist.
Um, because that wouldn't becool because we we love you.

SPEAKER_06 (10:48):
So, yeah, Tony, what did you think of this?

SPEAKER_02 (10:51):
I I mean, I I know that I know what timelines look
like, even though this is not myfield of expertise, but I just
want to say I feel like somebodyneeds to cut us a royalty check
because we've talked about thiswell before this announcement
came out.
So somebody's listening to thaton Facebook.

SPEAKER_06 (11:04):
I was like, you know, we you talk about
something long enough, you justmanifest it, and they're like,
Dave, if you're listening,you're welcome.

SPEAKER_03 (11:11):
You know what?
Honestly, it's I just I don'teven want the money.
Can I just go to Galaxy's Edge,please?
Or I mean, can we be can we bebackground players, day players?
Can we be extras like in somecantina somewhere?
I just want like an officialcanonized action figure of us.
I think that would be cool.

(11:32):
Like in a cantina play set withall of us in it.

SPEAKER_06 (11:35):
There you go.
And like Camp Bain is like he'sjust classic western bad guy,
and it's gonna be so fun to see.
Yeah, we've seen the Han SoloWestern mode.
It's gonna be fun seeing it fromthe point of view of the bad
guy, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (11:50):
And maybe learning how he became the bad guy, or
maybe he always was the bad guy.
You know, I mean, did the wormturn for him, or was he just a
bad seed from the start?

SPEAKER_06 (12:02):
Yeah, and and conversely, Ventress, who we
associate with the the bad guy,you know, for as grouchy as she
gets, you know, is shedeveloping a lighter side?
Is she developing a little goodnatured in her?

SPEAKER_03 (12:15):
She's got a conscience, yeah.
You know, she definitely grew aconscience.

SPEAKER_02 (12:20):
Maybe she got a little Kenobi in her.
I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (12:24):
Oh I don't know, like, like we're we're seeing
we're obviously this is ImperialEra.
So I'm wondering what how farinto Imperial era this is.
So Kenobi is obviously is isKenobi no longer with us at this

(12:45):
point, or is he still onTatooine?

SPEAKER_06 (12:47):
Because it would be nice to maybe see Obi-Wan
because we see her in Bad Batchwith the with this.
This might be after she, youknow, she's encountered the the
the Bad Batch and now she's offdoing things, but that show went
you know, like that the theepilogue went well into the
rebellion era, so there'sthere's a whole gap of time
where she could be roamingaround and no one knows it,

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right?

SPEAKER_03 (13:10):
And getting into all kinds of uh trouble and
adventures.
I'm still hoping, still hopingfor a live action version of
Asage.
Um I don't know who would playher.
I I after watching Fury Road, Iwas thinking Charlie's Theorin.

(13:31):
I think she could probablyhandle it.
I mean, she's if we're if we'retalking about Asaj during the
time of the Mando verse, umCharlize is old enough to play
the role because Asaj will beolder.
Um, and we we've already seenthat Charlize is uh not afraid

(13:57):
of action and she can kick somefucking ass.

SPEAKER_06 (14:02):
So she's already semi-part of the Disney family
because she's been she's in theMCU briefly, so it wouldn't be
hard to bring her over into StarWars.

SPEAKER_03 (14:11):
And she looks good, she would look good with that
haircut, she looks good bald,but she would look good with
that haircut.
So can she can she like pull offlike Asaj is a complex
character, and I'm glad thatwe're getting to see that.
She's a very she's just shestill feels like cold and slimy

(14:35):
at the same time, but I would Iwould still totally take her out
for a cup of coffee.

SPEAKER_06 (14:41):
And you know, like for for as much as we talk about
Ahsoka is Dave's creation,Ventures, you know, can't was
there before you know Dave camealong, but I think he sort of
perfected it.
He perfected the character.
It was more than just uh a chickwith two lightsabers and an
attitude.

SPEAKER_03 (15:00):
There's a lot of depth to her that we've we've
discovered in Clone Wars, and Ithink now we're it we're going
beyond that where we're gonnasee how she grows post-Clone
Wars, and and that is, I think,in large part thanks to Dave
giving her giving her that roomto breathe and to grow as a
character, and not just youknow, making her like a one-off

(15:21):
throwaway, you know, bad guy ofthe week sort of character.
You know, I mean she she, youknow, quote unquote died during
the micro series, and she wasresurrected, and then she
disappeared and was resurrected,and now she's being resurrected
again.
So uh Saj will not go quietlyinto the night.

SPEAKER_02 (15:51):
Is that supposed to be Lauren?
I don't know.
Yeah, because it looks an awfullot like him.
Assuming that he's assuming thathe ages, you know, as all the
other characters do.

SPEAKER_03 (16:13):
Maybe at this point anything's possible.

SPEAKER_06 (16:17):
Yeah.
I'll be sure.

SPEAKER_03 (16:20):
Anything's possible.
I just know that May 4th, I'mI'm taking I'm taking May 3rd
and May 5th off of work.
So I will I will be uh puttingin sick leave for those days.

SPEAKER_06 (16:33):
So it is a oh the 24-hour case of the uh blue
shadow virus, is that itexactly.

SPEAKER_03 (16:40):
Oh god, not the blue shadow virus.
I mean, I still want to I stillwant to live crash, I still want
to walk among the living.
Um, I don't know.
Maybe I'll just come down with acase like Bantha Bumps or
something.
I don't know.
There you go.
I'm not well versed in uh thediseases of Star Wars.
I guess maybe I could look intothat, but I wanna and who's

(17:02):
who's the red sabered person?
Who the f is that?

SPEAKER_06 (17:05):
Well, the Inquisitor, uh you know, I have
a feeling it's it's gonna be anew Inquisitor.
Yeah, they they've sort ofteased that Vader has this like
yeah, there's a few we've seenin other shows briefly that like
I remember that one big dudefrom uh Ahsoka's Ark and Tales
of the Jedi.
I don't remember his name, butClancy Brown did the voice.
Yeah, and it's like it was agreat like oh who's this guy?

(17:27):
Oh, and he's gone.

SPEAKER_03 (17:29):
Yeah, I just think this is gonna be great.
I'm looking forward to it.
Now, before we get into theepisodes, um, what other tales
would you guys like to see?

SPEAKER_06 (17:46):
Well, now that they've done Underworld, there's
just so much room to work.
Um, I mean, you could do Talesof the Resistance, you could do
Tales of the First Order.
I mean, you could covereverything in in small, you
know, there's so many charactersfrom the sequel trilogy alone
that never got a reasonable.
This would be a great way tobring John Boyga back into the

(18:08):
house, you know what I mean?
After you know the recentcomments about that he made.
Um, and it stirs up controversy,usually by the exact people
we're talking about, the thetheorists out there, yeah.
But um, I had some goodconversations with friends.
Uh, I talked to a a couple ofone friend of mine, and I asked
him what did he think, uh, beingan African-American.

(18:29):
And he's like, I totally agreewith him.
And I I got a quote I wanted toread from Larry, his name's
Larry.
He said, It's funny because youdon't notice it until it's
called out, but you wereintroduced to it as a kid, so
everything in the galaxy far,far away being either white or
alien, was normal.
And I'm like, Okay, that trackswith what John was saying, and

(18:53):
he said this in otherinterviews, it's just because
this new documentary was comingout, it made press, and then
everybody you know quotes andmisquotes the context of it.
But if you think about it, he'sgot a point.
Finn got a really short stick inthe sequel trilogy, and you can
question the motives.
Is it an industry?
I don't think it's a Lucasvillain problem as much as it is

(19:14):
a society and an industryproblem.
But I think what he said wasvery brave to come out and say,
Look, yeah, it's okay if I'm thebest friend to the hero, but you
know, because people all thetime say, Oh, we'd love to see
Finn as a Jedi.
I would too, but I don't know ifyou could, you know, after what
they did to him in the sequeltrilogy as an actor, you know,

(19:34):
are you gonna go through the badbad press and the and the
heckling you get from certainpeople to put out a a story
about Finn?
Or would you do it in somethinglike Tales where you could bring
him in as a voice, cover, youknow, cover a span of his life,
and maybe show him following aJedi path?

SPEAKER_03 (19:54):
Yeah, and I I think you know, and without getting,
you know, because we don't wantto get too far into the weeds on
like on real-world stuff, yeah.
But I I think that ultimatelythe the failing was with the
with the sequel trilogy, therewere too many too many hands at
the helm.
And I think ultimately we hadthis great character Finn that

(20:17):
was uh underutilized.
We really didn't get to see Finnshine.
And initially, you know, all ofthe media that went out, you
know, it seemed like Finn wasgoing to be a much bigger
character than he was, you know.
Uh, you know, first of all,we've got a stormtrooper of
color, and then we see him witha lightsaber later on.

(20:40):
It's like, what is this guy'sstory?
And he does kind of end upgetting relegated to a sidekick
with two kind of weirdromantic-ish arcs that just
don't go anywhere and then comesback and seems felt like an
afterthought.
So it, you know, so there'sthere's a lot of you know

(21:03):
potential reasons for that.
But I think if we're if we'relooking at it in in universe
context, and if if we look at itin terms of, you know, and it's
easy for me to say this becausepeople who look like me are
represented, you know, so it'svery easy for me to say this
from this perspective as someonethat comes from a reper, a

(21:24):
well-represented group.
Um, so I see things withdifferent eyes, of course.
Um, if you look at the at thegalaxy, if you look at human
beings, period, white, black,whatever, they are in the
minority.
We're seeing it because it's ahuman story, but when when the

(21:45):
when the gang walks intoChalum's Cantina for the very
first time, they're the onlyhuman.
Well, there might be there's acouple others, but but for the
most part, that cantina, thevast majority were alien
species, alien races, you know.
So human beings are a sm seem tobe a smaller minority in the

(22:09):
galaxy at large, you know,because think about I mean when
Obi-Wan and an Anakin go to aplanet, you know, it's a planet
entirely peopled with adifferent species, you know.
So human beings, whatever theirtheir their color happens to be,
it it seems like they are theminority group, yet if we want

(22:31):
to really like look at thingssocially, you know, they're
they're the ruling group of thegalaxy, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (22:41):
Because Andor has a very limited number of aliens
represented on screen, and thatcould be part of the Empire's
humanophobia, you know,xenophobia about alien species,
yeah.
They focus, yeah.
The humans get front and center.
Yes, but yeah, I think like Ben,it was a it was a tragedy, and

(23:02):
there's so much they were tryingto cover that he got the sh
short end of the storylinestick, and yeah, you know, it's
one of those things.
Uh Star Wars is thought of as atrilogy.
You'd almost have to do a HarryPotter level number of movies to
give everybody equal orsignificant story time in the
two and a half hour movie timesthree movies, which is the

(23:24):
beauty of what these Disney Plusshows are.
You know, you couldn't do amovie about Boa Fett wanting to
get out of the bounty huntingbusiness, it wouldn't play as a
mega blockbuster, but it's agreat story arc, and you can
tell tell it in in movie levelproduction and quality in a
six-seven episode you knowmini-series on Disney Plus, and

(23:47):
it should have gotten morepositive review than it did.

SPEAKER_03 (23:51):
Well, I mean, the Book of Boba Fett, I mean had it
had missed ups as well,obviously, but you know, again,
looking looking at it through mylens, it seemed like for Book of
Boba Fett, there was a reallynice range of representation
there.
Oh, yeah.
Um, it wasn't just this group ofwhite kids jumping in the van

(24:13):
and saving the galaxy.
It was, you know, it wasn't theScooby Gang, you know, solving
mysteries, it it wasn't thishomogenous group.
You know, you've you had this,you had the diversity there in
the Book of Boba, I think.
Um and again, not to get toomuch into the real world weeds,
but you know, could that havebeen part of the reason for the

(24:34):
backlash, you know, that we thatbecause we really we heard a lot
from the fandom menace at thattime when Book of Boba came out.
You know, I think some of thecomplaints were that's not my
boba fett.
You know, we we saw bobapresenting in a certain way
during the Mandalorian.
That's our Boba Fett, you know.

(24:54):
I mean that, but that was a bobafett who was on a mission.
He wanted to get his fuckingdad's armor back.
He got his armor back, he wasable to like let loose some of
that pent-up energy that he hadon those those poor
stormtroopers, and then nowmaybe it's time to kick back and
retire and collect this, youknow, this knight's nice fat,

(25:19):
you know, crime lord check.
You know, that's not to say thatBoba Fett's still not a badass.
This is just another anotheranother facet of the diamond
that is Boba Fett.

SPEAKER_06 (25:29):
And and and just the fact that he you know it was a
bounty hunter who wanted to bemore and and and also did away
with a lot of the seedier sideof job.
Yeah, he got rid of the spicetrade.
He got you know, he you know, hefound out the uh the kids, the
speeder kids were unemployed, sohe said, Okay, you work for me
now.
Now he's got you know he wasbuilding a community.

(25:49):
You wouldn't think of a guy likelike Boba Fett, Mr.
Pew Pew jetpack from our ourchildhood, super loner, super
loner as someone who would wantto build a community and sort of
be the marshal, yeah, marshal ofa town, right?

SPEAKER_03 (26:02):
But he saw the value in it, yeah.
You know, he saw that he saw thevalue in it.
But I mean, we can't forgetagain, it's like you know, when
we're looking at at Anakin andDarth Vader, you know, we can't
forget these are awful peoplethat that have done and continue
to do awful things.
Yes, he worked to get rid ofspice and slavery and things

(26:23):
like that.
Okay, cool, great.
But, you know, you're still not,you know, the elected mayor of
Moss Espa at this point.
You know, you're still you'restill the fucking godfather of
Moss Espa, which means you'restill dealing in some other
crimes.
There's some other shithappening behind the scenes.
You have other criminal elementswho are paying you tribute for

(26:45):
their criminal activities.
So let's not get it twisted andthink that on any level Boba
Fett is a good guy, you know,because he's building this
criminal community.
You know, if anything, he's justa better businessman who has

(27:05):
gotten to the point where hedoesn't want to have to do these
things and he'd rather paypeople to do the things that he
doesn't want to do anymore.

SPEAKER_06 (27:13):
And I like the way he won Chrysanthen over
somebody, you know, another guyfrom his profession saying,
Look, man, you could work forguys who don't care about you,
or you can work for me.

SPEAKER_03 (27:20):
Sure.
Yeah, he's a he's a nice crimeboss, of course.
Sure, but he's still a crimeboss, he's still a crime boss.
You know, I I would havepreferred that he that he stay a
bounty hunter, but this is hisstory.
Uh, it's I didn't write it, it'snot my story.
It's it's this is the story ofBoba Fett.
And for the most part, I'm I'mokay with it.

(27:42):
You know, it's uh it's not myfavorite.
I love Boba Fett.
If you look around my room here,you'll you'll see that love of
Boba Fett as the bounty hunter.
But you know, Book of Boba BobaFett, I would I think I would do
the same thing.
Had I had I been in his in hisboots, I think I may have gone
the same route.

(28:02):
So I can't be I can't be tooharsh.
We all just want a cushyretirement, right?
I mean I mean you don't want towork until you're until you fall
over dead.
We all want a cushy retirement.
Tony, what are your thoughts onthat?

SPEAKER_02 (28:14):
Uh I mean, I think you know, when you spend a a
relatively speaking long timepartially being digested by the
beast, it it changes youroutlook on things, and you might
decide you don't want to havethat life anymore.
So I I totally get that, and I'mokay with it.

SPEAKER_03 (28:32):
Uh you could almost say it's a metaphor for
marriage.
I'm not I wouldn't I would I'mnot gonna say that I wouldn't
say that because my my lovelywife listens to the show, so I
wouldn't say that.
I'm just saying some people maysay that being in a long-term
relationship is very much likebeing slowly digested over a
thousand years in the belly ofthe Sorlac.

(28:54):
Some people would say that.
I'm not one of those people.
I'm just saying some people.

SPEAKER_02 (28:58):
Uh honestly, it it kind of gave you know, like when
I was watching that when itfirst came out, it was kind of
giving me uh, and I don't know,you know, I know we we all have
other fandoms outside of StarWars, it very much was giving me
red hood vibes when he firstcame back and was trying to like
remodel the the the Gotham crimelords, and and yeah, you know,

(29:22):
like okay, like, yeah, we'restill gonna do crime, but like
we're not gonna target children,and we're not gonna do these
things, and like I wanna belike, we're still not good,
right?
But we're gonna be better thanwe were, and so that that kind
of gave me that vibe.
And I mean, again, I'm okay withit.
Like, do your thing now.
When I was first announced Bookof Boba Fett, did I think okay,

(29:45):
we're gonna get more of hisbackstory, we're gonna get good,
you know, we're gonna get to seemore of him being a badass.
Not that we didn't get some ofhim being a badass, sure.
Um, yeah, and would I have likedthat a little bit more?
Probably, but I didn't have aproblem with the way it went.

SPEAKER_03 (30:01):
And at the end of the day, we got to see Boba Fett
riding a rancor through thetown.
And I don't think that was onanyone's Boba Fett bingo card.
It certainly wasn't on mine.
Um, but to see it, that's uh waspretty impressive.
Why are we talking about thebook of Boba Fett, by the way?
I just which we went down thetension.

SPEAKER_06 (30:22):
We we were talking about John Boylega and we went
over to you know the the DisneyPlus, you know, the the merits
of a Disney Plus show versus amovie, yeah.
I let me ask you would would youthink Finn would be a good
choice for a Tales style show,or would you want something more
in like a full Disney Plusseries for him?

SPEAKER_02 (30:39):
Honestly, what I like if Boyega wants to come
back, if big if what I wouldlove to see, given the timeline
and everything else, although Idon't know exactly where in the
timeline this would fit, so I'mcurious about that.
Like, how about you know we getWim growing up a little bit more

(31:03):
from skeleton crew, and he goesoff and wants to be a pilot, and
Finn's one of the peopletraining.

SPEAKER_06 (31:10):
That is leading that crew, especially as someone who
was not an orphan, but yeah, hewas stolen from his family.
So he would I think he wouldhave a good bond with those
kids.
Similar life experience, as itwere.

SPEAKER_03 (31:26):
Alright, yeah, that'd be pretty cool.
I could see that.

unknown (31:28):
Alright.

SPEAKER_02 (31:29):
Again, I don't know, I don't know enough whether or
not the timing makes sense forthat.
Um, but Kathleen, if you'rewatching, uh pay the man.

SPEAKER_03 (31:38):
Yeah, she does.
She hangs, she she she hangsout, she watches.
They have uh we have one viewerright now, and I think it's
probably Kathleen Kennedy.
For sure, or her lawyers, or hermost likely her lawyers.
Um honestly, for me, I would Ias as I'm as we're watching
these episodes this week, I wantto see a Tales of R2 D2.

(32:01):
I want to see a Tales ofDetroits.
Because as much as much as we'veseen, if you think about it,
we've seen 3PO and R2everywhere.
I mean in every series, theyshow up.
I I don't I don't know ifthere's a series that we have or
a film that we haven't seen R2and 3P.

(32:24):
They were in the Bad Batch.
Did they show up in the BadBatch?
No, I I didn't okay.
I couldn't look at it.

SPEAKER_06 (32:30):
I think they're in one episode of Rebels early on.
They meet the Rukhes crew.
Um, I don't think Bad Batch evercrossed pass with them.
That was that was kind of astretch, yeah.
Like, how would these two meetkind of thing?
Um so that one, um and or again,barring anything unforeseen,
anything new, yeah.

(32:50):
Uh, I don't think they're gonnacross pass because you we were
you got a quick cameo for threethree po and rogue one.
But again, unless they justdeliberately do something with
Jimmy Smith's, I don't know howyou get andor and three poor two
to connect, right?

SPEAKER_03 (33:07):
But they're they're pretty ubiquitous, those two.
We kind of know 3PO's origins.
I mean, there's you know, we'vebasically been following 3PO
around.
I mean, was he built fromscratch, or you know, what was
his life like before Anakinrepaired him, or was he built
from scratch?
We don't know.

(33:28):
As far as I know, we don't know.
Um, but it's R2 D2.
He's the one that has somepretty major gaps in his
history, and again, I I am notup on any of the new books that
have come out.
Um, and there's been so manybooks that in the EU that have
been decanonized, but I think incanon, how far back do we go?

(33:55):
Do we we don't have R2's originstory, as far as I know?

SPEAKER_06 (33:59):
No, the for the the earliest we ever see of R2 is in
Phantom Menace when he's on theQueen's ship, right?
So we don't know how how did hewhen was he purchased?
How long was he on that ship?
Yeah, he just showed up and weinstantly go, Oh, that's R2 D2.

SPEAKER_03 (34:14):
Right.
And was that was he assembled onNaboo?
Did he come out of a you know adroid factory somewhere else?
Was he purchased by the royalhouse of Naboo?
To I mean, who who knows?
Who knows?
But I would love to see a talesof the droids.

SPEAKER_02 (34:32):
Oh, absolutely, and and uh R2 absolutely, we need
more on him, but I mean there'sothers too.
Like, I want to see I want tosee a backstory for K2, I want
to see a backstory for L3.
Like, yeah, give me these, like,and they don't have to be, you
know, whole like you don't needa whole movie about it, but you
know, just give me give me 20-30minutes uh and just tell me

(34:55):
their story.

SPEAKER_03 (34:56):
They seem to with the tales, the tales do seem to
revolve on light side and darkside.
There's like usually a good guyand a bad guy that they're
talking about.
So um maybe we could dosomething like R2 and IG 88, you
know, because their their pathsdo cross.
Um, and in the EU, IG 88 had avery, very interesting story.

(35:22):
Um, the whole IG series had avery, very interesting story,
and I I loved it.
I thought it was great.

SPEAKER_06 (35:29):
Do you remember the old droids cartoon from the 80s,
right after returned?
That was a great uh it wouldalmost be great to almost uh
reboot that, but sort of becausethe problem was after Return of
the Jedi, we didn't know therewas gonna be any more Star Wars.
Uh so technically that show wasset before New Hope and
obviously before the prequeltrilogies existed, right?

(35:51):
So we followed these adventureswith 3PO and R2 before they meet
Luke Skywalker, was sort of theway it was pitched.
It'd be funny now to do a aTales of the Droids and almost
do a homage to that old droidsshow where you follow 3PO and R2
around for like a three-yearepisode arc and they go through
an adventure maybe while theywere under um Captain Antilles's

(36:14):
you know care.

SPEAKER_03 (36:16):
Yeah, I mean, because that would I mean you've
still got you've still got thatthat gap of time, you know.
But um, yeah, like how did wellI mean I we can kind of parse
together how 3PO got into thehow 3PO got there to Antilles,
but again, it's like R2.
Where was he before his serviceto Naboo?

(36:38):
I'd love to see it.
And then IG88, I would love forthem to do a complete, they
won't do it, but I would lovefor them to do a full-on
page-by-page retelling of hisstory because it's just so good,
you know.
Built as a a military assassindroid, escapes from the lab that

(37:01):
he was constructed in, um,becomes his bounty hunter, goes
on adventures, and then uploadshis personality to the Death
Star and becomes the Death Starmoments before Luke blows it up.

SPEAKER_06 (37:16):
Like actually, it was a I thought it was the uh
second Death Star.

SPEAKER_03 (37:20):
I think it was the first I thought it was the first
one.

SPEAKER_06 (37:22):
Okay, because they was I remember there was talking
about he was having fun was itthe second one?
He was having fun targeting therebel ships out in uh at Endor.
You know how like they werepicking up.

SPEAKER_03 (37:32):
Oh, was it was it the second one then?
Yeah, oh yeah, because I wellbecause we did see I yeah, we'll
have to look it up because wedid see we don't see well, yeah,
yeah, because we saw yeah, ohyeah, yeah, because we saw IG88
for the first time in Empire.
That's right, yeah, you'reabsolutely right.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Yeah, because in the book it wasit was around the time of Jedi.

SPEAKER_02 (37:55):
It says he was destroyed in 4 ABY, so yep, 4 A
BY, that would do it.

SPEAKER_03 (38:01):
But that's but again, that story's not I don't
think that's canon anymore.
Um unfortunately, no, it's notwith him being uploaded to the
fucking Death Star.
I mean, how cool is that?
How cool is that?

SPEAKER_06 (38:12):
It was a great way to tie a character that we don't
you you saw in one movie thatdoesn't show up in another, but
you know, in like you said, justto have him represented casually
in the Battle of Endor was like,oh, that's a fun little thing,
yeah.
Right, that's the the some ofthose tales uh tales of the
bounty hunters and stuff likethat.
Again, it would it's it's notenough to do a full-on movie of

(38:36):
barely enough to maybe do aDisney Plus series, which is
really just a movie chopped upinto chapters, but something in
like the tale yeah, the taleseries is perfect.

SPEAKER_03 (38:46):
Absolutely perfect for that.
Okay, so these episodes quick uhquick little bits of backstory
here.
Um uh the logo was blue.
If you I'm sure everybodynoticed this, normally it's just
that that that yellow.
This time it was blue.
It that was uh just a nod to R2D2.
They did that as just uh alittle homage to to our favorite

(39:08):
little Astro Mech droid.
Um, and then you know, Crash andI, you know, we know about um R2
KT.
Um you know this droid wasreferred to as QT KT.

SPEAKER_06 (39:22):
She has a slightly different paint job, and yes, it
wasn't uh the direct reference,but go on.

SPEAKER_03 (39:28):
She was, yeah, she was inspired, she was inspired
by R2 KT.
Um, but she's just a different,she is a a separate Astromech
droid, and that was just aproduction call.
They didn't want to have twodroids with the R2 designation
in the same episode at the sametime.
They thought it might be alittle bit too confusing.
Um, you know, but of course, youknow, R2KT, she, you know, she's

(39:52):
she pops around throughout theClone Wars, and you know, we see
her in live action for the firsttime in the in the sequel
trilogy.
And for those that don't know,R2 KT is a droid that was built
um to honor the memory of KatieJohnson.
And Katie Johnson was thedaughter, the the young daughter
of Albin Johnson, who was thefounder of the 501st Legion, you

(40:17):
know, the premier Star Warscostuming club on planet Earth.
Um, arguably, you know, a prettycool organization.
Um, but she she did uh she wasdiagnosed with terminal brain
cancer.
Unfortunately, she did pass at avery, very young age.
And what's interesting was thatshe she had mentioned to Albin
that she, you know, wished thatshe could have a droid to watch

(40:42):
over her like R2 watched overPadme, you know, and so the
Droid Builders Club, they theygot wind of that and they did
what the droid builders do.
They organized the community,they scrounge for spare parts,
they built stuff, they see andsee things.
This was pre-3d printing, youknow, and they they really

(41:04):
pulled their resources topresent Katie with her own
droid.
Um, and it was by her side untiluntil the day she passed.
And then now now Katie R2 KTgoes around to multiple events,
lots of like pediatric cancerwards, children's hospitals,
things like this.
And I believe crash, correct meif I'm wrong, but I believe

(41:27):
there's a picture of of Katieunder the dome of R2KT.
Like if you if you open up thedome, I think there's a photo.
There was a lot of people.

SPEAKER_06 (41:39):
I've never looked that closely in it.
And the droid builders alone.
Uh, if you're ever lucky enoughto go to a convention where they
have a a big representation, uh,I was just at MegaCon a couple
weeks ago, and they had thishuge booth.
It's like a car club.
These guys, you know, you wouldthink everybody wants to build
R2 D2, and there's a lot of R2sthere, sure.

(41:59):
But um, it's funny when you seethe variety of droids that these
guys come because they uheverybody each droid that ends
up being like the the identityof the person who built it,
right?
And one of the things I liked inthis episode is that we got to
see it, wasn't just R2 R seriesdroids like our QT.
There was an R4.
There was a uh you know, onedroid, yeah, B Z got converted.

(42:22):
I think he was an R5, maybe, butthere was one droid that got
converted in in um oh C4 was thethe R5, and he got the uh the
heavy the laser.
Yeah, it was like the James Bondgadgets where each droid had a
specific the pro and they'reassembling the team.
They're like, You're gonna get awelding torch, you're gonna get
a man, and you're like, Okay, atsome point each droid's like

(42:43):
gimmick.
Oh, R2 gets like the super youknow deluxe super jets, yeah.
And you're like, okay, it wasjust great watching like okay,
every one of these gadgets isgonna play a significant part,
of course.

SPEAKER_03 (42:55):
And I loved how I loved how they all had like the
the caution striping thatcorresponded to whatever gadget
they had, like that location ontheir on their frame.
I thought that was kind of acool little touch.
Um, like not really low keythough part, right?
Like, yeah, this is the partthat's gonna fuck shit up, so

(43:15):
yeah, please be careful.
Um, but no, it was it it was itwas fun to see these droids and
you know actually like catchsome feels over like when BZ got
sucked out into hyperspace.
Oh, I was like, oh, that wasrough.
That was rough.
I mean, R2 went on a suicidemission, he's got plot armor, so

(43:39):
we know he's good.
But BZ was like, oh man, Ithought C4 would go get taken
out before BZ, but um I don'tknow.

SPEAKER_06 (43:49):
I think that the droids, you know, yeah, all
throughout Star Wars, we seedroids everywhere, and there's
always sort of that they'reviewed as like the loyal pet or
the companion thing.
It was interesting to see uh fora case with um the commander,
the colonel.
I'm like I'm like whack, I'mlike the whack.
I was getting this rank wrong.
Gascon was just dismissing themas just out of hand, kind of

(44:14):
like you and Louie.
You talked about how like therewere certain officers in the
military that don't they won'tdon't get to know you, they only
refer to you by your rank andthe you know the number to them.
It's funny to see the droidssort of kind of stand up for
themselves and say, Look, youwe're on this mission, but
you're gonna you gotta show us alittle respect too.

SPEAKER_03 (44:29):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And I just uh I think the uh ohI have uh let me see.
Let me switch over to it.
I've got um speaking of uh themarkings, there's art the
concept art marking.
So um so Tony, let me ask youyou this is your first time

(44:50):
seeing these episodes.
What are your thoughts on seeingthese droids really taking on
more of a of a personal typemission?
And and and then and thenGregor.
I'm curious to hear yourthoughts on Gregor as well.

SPEAKER_02 (45:11):
Well, uh I I really hope that we have not seen the
end of Gregor.
Um, I mean it sounds like wemight have, which we know that
that is what it is.
Uh as far as the droids areconcerned, I mean, this is uh
this is the first time thatwe've seen this to this scale on
the good side.
I remember there was an episodeearly on where there was an evil

(45:35):
droid that was sent in as like aspy.

SPEAKER_03 (45:40):
Oh, yeah, that's right.
What a jerk Goldie, Goldie.
That was an epic fight, though.

SPEAKER_02 (45:48):
Uh so it was nice to see you know the the yeah, the
Jedi and and you know use thisto their benefit.
Um I mean, unfortunately, thearc is kind of boring, um, but
it it was it was an interestingstory, you know.
It was good to see them, youknow, be be relatively

(46:09):
independent and do their ownthing, um, especially because
there's a good section of theepisode where they're basically
like, yeah, fuck the colonel,like he's an idiot.
We're just gonna do it our way.
Um it I really do wish in thisparticular instance that we had
more of a voice uh for thedroids.

(46:32):
I mean, obviously, in this case,we have um we we have uh whack,
and he uh you know, like can canvoice out to that frustration of
hey, you know, we're not justfucking droids, you know.
Yeah, we you know we're morethan that, and you have to treat
us with the respect and allthat.
And I like that that there wassomebody there to vocalize that.
The voice is kind of annoying,but it is what it is, that's

(46:53):
okay.
Um and honestly, like if theywanted, you know, like if we end
up doing a Tales of the Droidsand they want to give us more D
squad, I'm cool with that.
I'd like to see more of that.

SPEAKER_03 (47:06):
So, Tony, you're saying you want more of the D.
Uh absolutely.
All right, bring on the D.
I like your confidence.
I like your confidence.
All right, bring on the D.
Uh, one other little tidbit thatI found very, very interesting
was about Gregor's helmet andthe tally marks on it.
Um, not in fact tally marks.

(47:29):
Uh I mean they might be, but thedesign choice is that they were
uh the hash marks, um, they wereinspired by Boston Bruins goalie
Gary Cheevers, who stenciled onhis mask to denote the stitches
he would have gotten had he notbeen wearing protective gear.

(47:51):
So it makes you wonder.
I mean, are those are those themarks that Gregor thought that
he would uh he would have gottenhad he not been wearing a
bucket?
Or are those missions, are theydroids, are they other life
forms?
Uh who knows?
But uh I thought that wasinteresting.
And then of course the you knowthe digital camo pattern that's

(48:12):
on there is pretty cool too.

SPEAKER_06 (48:14):
And it's interesting.
Gary Chevers is is a famousgoalie for the ruins.
I'm a big hockey fan.
Yeah, I grew up playing hockey.
Uh goalie masks have become asort of art form, not like pilot
helmets.
Uh, you know, Rebel pilots haveget to have some like cool
artwork on them.
Uh Sabine Ren, I guess, is aninfluence on some of the guys on

(48:35):
the Rogue One helmets, um,supposedly.
And it was interesting that uhyou know, a clone, yeah.
We've seen them decorate thenose of their gunships, which is
awesome, yeah.
Which is awesome.
But the idea that they wouldactually start, and Rex is a
prime example, you know, thosethose jam guys aren't standard
issue, but it's part of hispersonality, and he wants it on

(48:55):
his armor.
So it's interesting watching theclones almost like a hockey
goalie.
They incorporate their helmet aspart of their personality.

SPEAKER_03 (49:03):
Yep.
Well, and then look at uh whatis it, Waxer?
Waxer had Numa painted a littlea little cartoon of Numa.
I mean, it's yeah, the theindividuality of the clones was
really, really cool to see.
Um, this was something else thatI found in the concept art that
I thought was really, reallycool.
And it's just it's those detailsthat let you know that the

(49:27):
people that create this show,they're us, they are fans like
we are, and they put theselittle Easter eggs in there, and
it's just these these bits ofsignage.
Um, there's there's a placecalled the Lando Capes, so
there's a cape store, Lando,like for Lando.
There's the Admiral Snack Bar.

(49:51):
It's a frap.
Uh Dr.
Evazon's cosmetic surgery,really.
And of course, you know, ifyou're not familiar, Dr.
Evazon, we get to see him, hisugly mug in uh episode four.
Um, you know, my friend doesn'tlike you, and I don't like you
either.

SPEAKER_06 (50:11):
You know, um, well, it just makes it look lived in,
you know, a lot of sci-fi evenbefore Star Wars, everything was
sort of pristine and cleanbecause they just built it from
scratch, yeah, and didn't havetime to cosmetically make it
look dingy.
The idea that yeah, this thesimple walls in this town in a

(50:32):
no-name town, the the audiencewould pick up on oh hey,
somebody's tagged that wall,right?
And just you know, the the levelof I was impressed by a couple
things was the level of filth inthe town.

SPEAKER_03 (50:44):
Oh, yeah, especially like in that alley, yeah, where
they were eaten out of thetrash.

SPEAKER_06 (50:49):
Yeah, that was just especially being at Gascon's
scale, like those some of thosebugs were just ginormous.

SPEAKER_03 (50:57):
And he he went for it though.
That little dude went for it,and he was munching out on some
old crusty bread.
Um, oh, this sign here the theabfar junior de jerk club, no
wookies.
Yeah, oh yeah, that's a nicetouch.

SPEAKER_06 (51:13):
Adopt a wampa, and you wouldn't even pick up, you
know, they go by so fast onscreen that you wouldn't get
that's the animators.
It's more for their amusement,you know.
They'll see they'll they'll knowI worked on that wall, and
that's you know, the thing I putin there.
That's a little Easter egg forme.

SPEAKER_03 (51:28):
Yep, and that's exactly it.
That's their their way ofsigning it, putting their little
personal touches on it.
There's um there was anothergroup of signs, I thought these
were pretty cool too.
They're based on um classicLucasArts adventure games.
So there was the uh Kawak andMonkey Island because Monkey

(51:49):
Island was a huge Lucas LucasArts game, and some people don't
put those two things together.
And to be honest, when we werewatching Skeleton Crew, I didn't
make the Monkey Islandconnections, but there were so
many, like revisiting uhSkeleton Crew, it's and and
having played, I've never playedthe second one, but I played the

(52:11):
first Monkey Island, and it'slike, oh okay, there they are.
But initially, it just it goesover your head because you don't
think Monkey Island and StarWars like, but it's it's all
autoflucas arts, so it's just uhall right.
So crash, what are your thoughtson this as a as a rewatch?
You know, this is probably yourlike 15th time, right?

SPEAKER_06 (52:33):
Yeah, um, I'll be honest, this is like my least
favorite.
I I remember when this firstaired, and like the first
episode, you're like, okay,cool, we're gonna have a droid
mission.
R2 gets to go on his on amission by himself, and then
it's like, okay, cool, we're onthis planet and we're just
wandering through the desert.
By the third week, I was like,dear God, are we done with the
damn droids?

(52:55):
And then, oh no, we're not.
Well, we got one more episodebecause it's a lot like the the
the three people R2 episodewhere they you know they had the
Gulliver's Travel episode, youknow, adventures, and somehow
they gotta find their way backto Commander Wolf.
There's a great shot of KT.

SPEAKER_03 (53:09):
KT, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (53:10):
Um, and it was just like, okay, I get it.
You know, we you built this arcaround a bunch of droids that
can't speak and and an annoyinglittle frogman who can.
I really thought they could havecondensed some of this stuff in
and so that the this could havebeen maybe a three episode
instead of a four-episode arc.
I'm being generous.
Like, I could have done this inlike two.

SPEAKER_03 (53:32):
Yeah, I think they probably wanted to do it though,
because there was there's only20 episodes in this season, so
they had these, they they hadthese four episode blocks that
they were able to do somethingwith.

SPEAKER_06 (53:42):
So they probably and and just by the end, you're
like, Oh, look, Obi-Wan andAnakin, where the hell have they
been for the like because youthink about every episode you
had to wait a whole week for youknow, by three, four weeks a
month went by, and we're justseeing Anakin and Obi-Wan again
for the first time.
You're just like, Oh dear god, Imiss you boys.
Yeah, but there's uh anothergreat yeah, we're talking about

(54:02):
Easter eggs about the wall.
Did you did you catch the um aquellish on in the town?
And and it was a literal walrusman yeah, action figure.
Like they just straight up didthe the the orange vests, I was
yeah.
Dave's Dave is one of us, andand he oh when he does the the

(54:24):
character designs on some ofthese things.
I mean, he'll pull a right.
I think earlier there was one,or no, it's gonna be next week.
You guys watch um the infamousblue snaggle tooth.
Yeah, yes.
He did he he's gonna do one ofthose.
Um, you know, nothing's offlimits with Dave.
Yeah, the old canon, the Kennerline.
I mean, there's just some greatDave's Dave is an Easter egg

(54:46):
king.

SPEAKER_03 (54:46):
Well, because he's he grew up playing with them,
and now he gets to play withthem and and share that with all
of us, his his friends, and it'sgreat.
And it's like what like when wesee him, you know, when the
Mandalorian came out and theywere doing the behind-the-scenes
videos of the Mandalorian, andyou know, seeing him on the

(55:07):
volume with the cast in costume,surrounded by this giant
realistic screen, you could tellthat he was the happiest person
on planet Earth, like and he hedoes not take any of this for
granted because he's now playingwith life-size action figures,

(55:27):
and it's the coolest thing ever.

SPEAKER_06 (55:29):
My my favorite Easter egg, and I don't know if
you guys you guys don't do a lotof Disney stuff.
If you ever wrote Star Tours,the old Star Tours, okay.
Um, when they're on the shuttleand they're they're leaving the
separatist ship, they run intothat comet field in hyperspace.
Yeah, that is an almost literalpull from the original Star

(55:49):
Tours experience.
Like you're in this on the shipin the in the ride, and you go
through a comet asteroid field,and I and it was just one of
those again, like Dave's a geekjust like us, and I was like,
You sly little dog, you you youcould when when Wag comets, it's
exactly how it was on the ride,and you and you bump into things

(56:10):
and it shakes you around and youand you move on to the next part
of the story.
But I was just knew the audiencewould instantly get the
reference.

SPEAKER_03 (56:18):
Well, and the um uh the space station where they
were doing their conference,that was based off of something
from Star Tours as well.

SPEAKER_06 (56:27):
Yeah, that was the hub.
I think that was the hub for it,right?
That's where Star Tours and allthe ships go in and out of.

SPEAKER_03 (56:32):
Yeah, so yeah, and we and we even see I think we
see a couple of times, we mayhave already, yeah, we've
already gone past this, but umuh the Rex droid from Star
Tours, voiced by you know, goodold Pee-Wee Herman, um RIP.

(56:52):
Um, we see we see uh him acouple times in the Clone Wars,
I believe.
Yeah, I think we've alreadypassed uh both of this or yeah,
the the appearances he's had,but it's just you know, and then
now now it's like now we'reseeing the flip side of that
because now we've got Hondo atGalaxy's Edge, which is just

(57:13):
like the coolest thing ever.
And I I want to go.
We need so we we need sponsors,we need people to sponsor our
show, give us money so we can goon a trip to Galaxy's Edge and
do a show.

SPEAKER_06 (57:24):
I'll let I'll let a little secret out.
I'm planning a future Crash'scorner segment.
Yeah, I do over online for theFacebook page.
Uh, I'm going to Disneyland withmy family for May 4th, and I am
gonna record a bunch of stufffor you, a little video
postcards for you boys, and I'mgonna give you a little hands
up.

SPEAKER_03 (57:41):
No, no, thank you.
No, thank you.
I don't I just keep that shit toyourself.
I have I have no desire to seeit, I don't want to see it, but
I want to see all of it.
So damn it.
How many times have you been?

SPEAKER_06 (57:53):
Um oh god, since well, since how's up, too many.
Yeah, well, uh there was astretch where uh you know I was
working in TV production, and myyeah, my family's a big Disney
people.
We we've we were going when mysister was like four or five
years old.
Now, as adults, you know, sheand I sometimes we go on our own
and we have a we're we're Disneyadults, you know.

(58:14):
We we got grown-up money and andwe we play like we would have if
we were kids, you know.
So I've been to Galaxy's Edge afew times.
I've been to both the East Coastand West Coast parks.
Um we're this time we're goingfor the after.
They have a they have a special,they just announced uh the new
after hours Star Wars night atDisneyland.
I'm gonna have some content foryou guys for that.

(58:34):
I'm gonna show you around.
Um, because I think that'ssomething you know, people who
love Star Wars are gonna, youknow, like you said, you guys
have never been there.
This will make you want to go.
I promise.

SPEAKER_02 (58:44):
Well, we're saying as if we don't already want to.
Yeah, we already want to go.

SPEAKER_03 (58:49):
Uh we are planning on going.
Um we are planning on going, um,why did I do that in October of
2026?
Okay.
So that is our plan, but we'regonna be going to the one in
California.
Um that's where I'm headed.

(59:11):
Uh oh, okay, cool.
Yeah, Disneyland.

SPEAKER_06 (59:14):
Yeah, they do a May 4th.
They call it Seasons of theForce, and they have an after
hours night.
There's a new projection showthey're gonna be doing in Black
Spire.
Um it's gonna be fantastic.
I can't wait to show you guysand our listeners and friends on
Facebook that we've been pickingup on Swarzy Curious.
There's gonna be some greatstuff coming up.

(59:35):
Oh my god, I want to go so bad.

SPEAKER_03 (59:36):
I'm looking forward, yeah.
Cause we're we're big Nightmarebefore Christmas fans too.
And we've heard that Disneylandreally goes hard on the
Nightmare Before Christmas thingfor Halloween.

SPEAKER_06 (59:44):
So the whole haunted mansion gets an up up overlay,
they call it, but it's just likean upgrade.

SPEAKER_03 (59:50):
And that's and that's great and uh and
everything, but I'll I'll be inBlack Spire outpost.
So just don't even fucking lookfor me.
That's where I'm gonna be.
Oh.
Oh God, I want to go so bad.
So again, hopefully this is, youknow, through all of our uh our
fine listeners and supportersout there.
Hopefully we can uh generatesome funds, or you know,

(01:00:12):
Kathleen will send us aninvitation, give us a few
tickets, and we can uh head outthere.
So fingers crossed.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:19):
Let me ask you guys what uh about Gregor.
Uh you're a big fan of theclones and the Mando culture and
all that.
What did and and being formermilitary?
What did you think about himbeing sort of I want to say

(01:00:40):
enslaved almost?
Yeah, the the Sultan, I nevergot his name.
The guy that owned that shop, Iyou know, has an armor, he knew
what he was.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:47):
Yeah, definitely an indentured servant.
I don't know if we would go sofar as to call him a slave.
Um, but again, it's an outer inplanet, and we knew slavery was
a thing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:57):
Um, but he was definitely a little bit of like
a little bit of memory loss, alittle PTSD.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:04):
Yeah, I I would I would like to know more about
you know the incident.
Um like the battle.
Oh, what was the name of it?
Like Sahish, Shahish, somethinglike that.
Um but the battle that they weretalking about.
Um, I know that that was thatwas in a uh free comic book day

(01:01:29):
comic where they covered thatbattle, but I don't think it's I
don't think it's canon umanymore, but they they reference
it.
Well, just like just like theplanet uh that they were on,
what uh uh Abhar or somethinglike that.
Um that was uh that was a talesuh that was a Tales of the Jedi
novelization planet, um if Iremember correctly.

(01:01:53):
Um what is it?
Serish Sarish, that's right.
Um so again, like you said, youknow, this is Dave, you know, a
lot of things that Dave probablyloved became decanonized during
you know the Disney transfer, umand this, you know, this big uh
you know Holocron consolidationproject.

(01:02:17):
Um, so this is his way ofrescuing things from the EU, you
know, and it's just these littlethings, like you said, all the
he's the king of the Eastereggs, and there were so many in
this, but anyway, uh the PTSDwas very real, uh, very real for
that guy.
But you see how like how quicklyhow quickly he gets everything

(01:02:37):
back.
Um but we do see this is this isa recurring theme that Dave
doesn't let go of.
He's he's really cognizant ofit.
Um, we get to see it donereally, really well in Rebels.
Um it's just maybe it was PTSDuh was a little bit too heavy, I

(01:03:01):
think, for the clone wars.
But I mean, you know, look atwhat happened on Umbara.
You know, they they didn't needto talk about PTSD.
It was obvious the way that thatour boy Rex fell to the ground,
you know, and so yeah, it's he'sI as someone who is diagnosed

(01:03:23):
with Ptsd and who lives withPTSD, I am I am very happy with
the way that that Dave handlesthese things, because he doesn't
he doesn't pretend that thesethings don't exist, he doesn't
pretend or try to gloss over thefact that these clones are say

(01:03:44):
what you want, but they are forall intents and purposes human
beings.
They're clearly he illustratesthat each one of them is an
individual, despite all beinggrown from you know the same,
you know, bounty hunter spooch.
You know, they're they'reindividuals, they're as
individual as you and I, theyjust happen to look alike, you

(01:04:04):
know.
So he does a great job ofportraying that.
So yeah, tip of the hat alwaysto Dave.
For I don't know if he's gotmilitary members in his family,
or if he just really appreciatesveterans and military members,
or if he's just you know, justgot a lot of empathy.
Uh, you know, but it's I'm I'vealways been very happy.

(01:04:27):
It's why I'm drawn to the CloneWars because of the way that
it's handled.
I don't like all the Jedi stuffbecause I'm just kind of like
I'm over lightsabers, but I getit.
That's what fills seats, that'swhat sells toys.
So you gotta have the Jedi.
I you know, I would like to seemore clones and war in the Clone
Wars.
Um, but these last few seasons,we get we get a lot, we get a

(01:04:48):
lot, and there's still so muchmore to come.
Um, speaking of which, yourhomework, Star Warriors.
Uh, it's gonna be a little bitof a different lineup here.
You're gonna be watching seasonfive, episode one, uh, fourteen,
fifteen, and sixteen in thatorder.
Watch one episode one first ofseason five, and then season

(01:05:09):
five, episode fourteen, fifteen,and sixteen.
That is gonna be for yourhomework.
You guys got anything else as weuh just before we do our
pimping?

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:18):
Um yeah, I'm off next week.
Uh I'm gonna be doing some moreCrash's Corner workout at C2E2.
Uh, I'm gonna go see John Begaand some other people, and uh
yeah.
This is I'll tell you nowbecause I'm gonna miss the the
session, I'll be on the road.
Uh, this is a great arc.
I mean, this is just Chef KissStar Wars, Sith and

(01:05:42):
Mandalorians, yes, Mandaloriansand and uh a heartbreak at the
at the end, and it's just getsheavy, uh I uh yeah, you're
gonna enjoy this one a lot.
Like, yeah, we talked aboutUmbara, we we hyped that up and
it didn't disappoint.
This will not disappoint either,yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:59):
And and and Tony, just so you know, there's just
like moving forward, the CloneWars is just a trail of tears at
this point, so just like justkeep the tissue handy.
I mean, there's lighterepisodes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:12):
Yeah, but there's a point that you kind of have to
just know that that's comingbecause we like you know, look
at what's ahead, it's theopposite of the plot armor, like
you know what's coming at theend, so you've got to get there.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:24):
Well, the thing is, we didn't at the time we didn't
know this was the final season,like they was getting into some
heavy stuff, and we were like,Okay, let's roll.
Um, and then after the Disneysale happened, and then Cartoon
Network pulled a plug on theshow, and it was just like
that's it, we're ending on that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:41):
Yeah, give me more, daddy.
And and and he did, and he did.
He gave us two more greatseasons, short, but but still
great.
Um, yeah, looking forward to it.
It is gonna be good.
Hey, while you're there, see ifyou can get uh get Boyega to you
know do a little a little promofor us.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:59):
Uh I'm I'm working on it.
I got some I got some plans tospread the merch around.
It's kind of like okay, got athing.
Maybe make it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:08):
Yeah, if you you know, if you can get him to say
something like, Hey, you'relistening to Star Wars Safe
Space, you know, or invite himon the show, ask me if he wants
to come on.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:16):
It's gonna be a minute before we get to the the
the sequels, but yeah, therethere's some people I'm kind of
like putting it feelers out tothat I know from the convention
circuit, and I'm like, once weget to their part of the the
timeline, I'm like, Oh, I'd loveto have some conversations with
these people, but that's part ofmy I feel part of my job with
the Parma Flyer.
I'm going, I'm gonna use my myexperience on the convention

(01:07:36):
circuit, and I want to bring itto the show and maybe down the
line, maybe bring somebody infor a little chat.
We'll see.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:42):
And you and you need a droid, you need a droid.
So when you come in, you I know,but you you need a full size,
you need a full size Astromec togo with you.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:54):
That that would be that would be fun.
Sniffs would love it.
Uh we'd have to lug that guyaround.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:00):
I mean, it only weighs like a couple hundred
pounds.
I mean, it's not a bad man.

SPEAKER_06 (01:08:04):
I mean, I remember I had to help a friend we when we
got our first R2 in theCleveland area, and and he had a
we had to lift it, we were doinga hospital visit, and they a guy
from Columbus drove up to dothis hospital visit with us, and
he brought his R2 unit.
He's like, Oh, yeah, I'm gonnaneed some help lifting this
thing into the car.
Oh my back.
Yeah, those things are notlightweight.

(01:08:26):
This was in the earlier, youknow, this was they it was all
in metal, you know.
Some of the things you guys cando now with 3D printing and
lighter materials is amazing.
This was all steel and and yeah,fiberglass, and oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:41):
Yeah, but now I mean it's this, it's like a whole
like I've I've I've seen likethe early like droid builder,
like uh like build videos andthings like that.
Some people were building theframes out of wood, some people
were doing it out of steel oraluminum or something, but most
of it was steel, and then all ofthe gears and the electronics
inside, especially like the thethe motor control stuff, they
need a pit crew to keep thesethings running.

(01:09:02):
They do, they do.
It's very, very impressive.
And what I like too about themis that the um the operators,
you normally never even know whothe operator is.
They're usually hanging backsomewhere, they're off the side,
you never see the operator.
The one guy I saw we did uh wedid a troop at the uh the
Cleveland Science Center a fewyears ago, um and he was able to

(01:09:26):
operate it with his phone.
So he had it, he had it linkedup to his phone, and he held his
phone behind his back and waswas operating R2 that way.
And so you never he just you hewasn't even in anything that
identified him as one of the R2builders, he just looked like a
regular patron.

SPEAKER_06 (01:09:43):
I used to do uh a gig with again a couple gigs
with a guy who had some of theearly droids, and as a rebel
pilot, it was always funny.
I I used to catch myself in hertalking to this inanimate
object, like it was a person.
Yeah, I would like if I if youwere running the droid, I would
look down at your RT unit andsay, Okay, oh, we're gonna go
over here now.
Yeah, I'm making eye contactwith the droid because everybody

(01:10:04):
watching me was what yeah, thinkI'm talking to the rebel, but
really he's talking to you andand and play at the play.
Disney's got um some droids now.
They have uh they built theirown droids for Galaxy's Edge.
Uh right now Luke Skywalker isat Disneyland with R2 D2.
And if you get see some of thevideos of that, it's just so

(01:10:25):
much fun to watch.
You know, there's droids,there's characters.
It's a playground for Star Warsfans.
And if you get the chance to go,I highly recommend you go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:36):
I don't know, like I don't have much soul left, but
any soul that I do have left, Iwill gladly sell it for a ticket
uh for for even a weekend at toGalaxy's Edge, and I will be
able to uh pass into the force ahappy nerd.
We'll just say that.
All right, that is gonna do itfor us this week, folks.

(01:10:56):
Uh, but before we head on out,we do have some obligatory
pimpage.
Crash is the only one that's uhrepresenting.
I'm representing Star Wars.
I've got my ad at blueprintshirt on.
Oh, there you go.
I I couldn't, it looks likewe've got a a cool, cute little
Anakin chibi type of Anakin intimeout.
Is that what's going on?
Yeah, child murder would usuallykind of get someone put into the

(01:11:18):
corner for a timeout.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:20):
If I set up at the bottom, it says calm down,
Anakin.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:23):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:24):
Yeah, that would that would have solved a lot of
problems.
Written and directed by GeorgeLucas.
There you go.
There's a trilogy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:30):
Calm down, Anakin.
Go sit in the corner.
Love it.
So if you'd like to cop one ofthose uh those fancy shirts, not
the Anakin one, but the the coolStar Wars safe space shirt, head
on over to our website, circleof nerds.com slash merch and get
you a fine t-shirt or a hoodieor whatever you would like.
Of course, be sure to subscribeto all of our channels at the

(01:11:50):
SWS show.
And I forget, I keep forgetting,we've got the cool little circle
of nerds.com slash merch.
Little graphics put up there.
Bada bing bada boom.
Very nice.
Um and if you want to see what'scoming up next on the timeline,
we've got that listed on ourwebsite, uh, circle of nerds.com
slash the SWS show.

(01:12:11):
So follow us on all the things.
We are uh we're working to uhboost our our online presence a
little bit.
It's just you know a littlecrazy in the world, so it's it's
difficult.
None of us get paid for this.
So this is a labor of love, andwe love you for spending time
with us and hanging out with us.
Um, also, we do have a privateFacebook group for the more
discerning Star Warsaficionados.

(01:12:34):
Um, actually, it's just forpeople who aren't assholes.
So if you want to come and hangout with us and talk Star Wars
in a non-toxic, low-sodiumenvironment, uh, where you don't
have to be afraid of someoneshitting on you for your
opinion, then look for SwarzyCurious on Facebook, on the
Facebook group.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:53):
So answer the member questions.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:56):
Answer the member questions.
You will not get in withoutanswering the member questions.
They're not hard, it's justcommitments to not be a fucking
doucher.
That's basically it.
So it's our way of trying tomake sure that we weed out
members of the fandom menacebecause we don't want to look
out for you guys.
Yep, we want you to have a nice,safe, comfortable place to come

(01:13:17):
and uh talk about Star Wars orlearn about Star Wars, you know,
somewhere where you'recomfortable and empowered to ask
and say, I don't know this.
Can you help me?
And somebody will be able tohelp you there.
We've got a bunch of nerds thatknow this shit inside and out.
We've got the keeper of theholocron.
So someone, I mean, obviouslyyou can just Google the shit

(01:13:38):
yourself, but there's no fun inthat.
You want to ask the communityand you want to get answers from
the community, and that's whatthe Swarzy Curious face group is
about.
Facebook group is about.
So come check us out.
Um, and uh, I think that's gonnado it.
So uh thank you uh so much fortuning in this week.
Of course, always thanks to ourveterans, active duty service
member, um, members, for uh allof your service and sacrifice.

(01:14:02):
We absolutely appreciate you,and we acknowledge that uh a lot
of the things that we're able todo wouldn't be possible without
your service and your sacrifice.
So, as always, thank you.
Um, and if that's it, anybodygot anything else?
Sounds good.
That's all I got.
All right, cool.
All right, so uh that is gonnado it.
If we do this, we'll get thatqueued up.

(01:14:23):
All right, uh, so we're gonnasee you guys next week again.
Remember, episodes one,fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen
of season five.
Um, have a great week.
We'll see you out there in thegalaxy.
And as always, remember ifnobody does does anything nice
for you, do something nice toyourself.
And we will see you guys nextweek.