Clone Wars Rewatch-Season 5: Episodes 2-5

This week we’re getting rebellious!
The Onderon arc in Clone Wars Season 5 explores the thin line between resistance and rebellion—and the emotional fallout that turns heroes into extremists.

We unpack:
 – The origin of Saw Gerrera and the loss that shaped him
 – Ahsoka’s leadership test and her emotional arc
 – The irony of Anakin Skywalker training rebels
 – Political themes that still feel bold and relevant today

This is Star Wars storytelling at its most provocative—and it’s only the beginning. Hit play and join us on the path toward the rise of the Rebellion.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Take two Cold open.
All right Coming up this weekwe're getting rebellious.
Mostly it's the Clone WarsSeason 5, episodes 2, 3, 4, and
5.
Right here on your Star Warssafe space, stick around okay,

(00:34):
much better, and we're back I'mhappy to get a second round of
the music.
It's all good.
Yeah, I'll never get tired ofit.
I'll never get tired of it.
It's a banger.
It's a banger, all right.
Hey there, star warriors,welcome to star wars.
Safe space, your non-toxic, lowsodium star wars show.
That doesn't make you feel badfor not knowing that saw
guerrera's character, played bythe absolutely fabulous and
incredible forrest whitaker inlive action, was inspired by

(00:54):
argentinian revolutionary cheguevara I know how to read, I
really do and mar MarlonBrando's Colonel Kurtz from the
1979 film Apocalypse.
Now, if you haven't seenApocalypse Now, it's deep, it's
deep.
But I can totally see how theinspiration for Saw was built.

(01:17):
So that's good stuff.
So, whether you're a hardcoreStar Wars fan or just a little
swirzy curious, this is yourstar wars safe space.
And we are the circle of nerdsand we do, in fact, love star
wars, even if we don't alwayslike it.
So let's meet this, uh, thismotley bunch, shall we?
So let's see who's gonna befirst if I poke that.

(01:38):
Oh, not that guy, all right.
So the uh, the fabulous,amazing pilot of the parma Flyer
is Crash.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
How you doing everybody.
S4 is locked, ready to go.
Let's do this.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I like what you did.
Captain of the Parma Flyer.
I like that.
I'm learning All right.
That's pretty cool and hailingfrom parts unknown, it's our
Holocron Keeper, the Keeper ofthe Holocron T to the O-N-E-,
o-n-e-o-n-e.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Welcome back to the galaxy, everybody.
Let's get going.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, and I am Tommy D, that dude over there.
Okay, so what are we doing here?
Well, our mission is to watchall of the canon Star Wars films
and TV shows in chronologicalorder them down, connecting the
dots and learning more aboutstar wars and maybe even a
little about ourselves.
So in a word of warning to allyou would be star warriors out
there, there will be spoilers.

(02:31):
So this week we're going to getinto it, uh, with what could be
considered the spark ofrebellion.
Perhaps, perhaps this is uhwhere we're starting to see some
things, some things happen, butbefore we do that, we've got
some news, right?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Tony, you got some news for us.
We do Well, I mean a little bitof history in this case but
today the last episodes of themicro series were released and
you know that just takes usright into the very lead up to
episode three which, as we know,is coming back into theater.

(03:12):
So that's going to be some funand, you know, perhaps we'll
have to rewatch that before weget into going to the movies.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, you might be right.
The micro series is so good.
It is so good it is.
For those of you that haven'twatched the micro series, we're
actually gonna be getting intoit a little bit more.
Um, actually, not too terriblyfar off.
We're gonna be hitting it acouple episodes actually.
Well, no, not fairly soon atall, now I think about it.

(03:42):
So we still have to get throughall of rebels.
We still have to get throughall of bad batch, the rest of
the clone wars.
Anyway, forget what I said.
It's gonna be a while before weget to the micro series, but by
all means, please do watch iton your own.
It's so good and it it's.
You know they're micro episodes.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
They're only a couple minutes long each but it's in
the days of dial up.
Do you remember having to watchthings like that on dial-up
internet where you just had thatannoying lag if your Wi-Fi was
too slow?
Watching the original trailersfor the prequel movies was just
murder compared to today.

(04:18):
I don't think kids appreciatethat.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
I don't know.
I think I might have a fewyears on you.
I think I got you by about 10years.
So I mean I do you rememberlike dial up?
Do you remember dial upinternet?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Okay, Tony, do you?
I remember it was definitely inmy youth, but I remember it
Like Tony's like.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I remember my parents talking about it Like.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I remember like like going to do homework and getting
on the internet and then beingyelled at because I turned off
their phone call.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, I remember my dad calling.
He worked third shift so he'dfinally call home.
He'd be like who the hell'sbeen on the phone all night long
Because our phone was tied intoour internet and if you were on
the internet the phone wouldn'tconnect.
Right, yeah, for those of youthose weren't there for this
time.
It was a great thing.
It was like theanti-telemarketer gold.

(05:10):
Unfortunately, it also keptyour dad from calling home from
work when he really wanted toget through to you.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
sorry, dad, right and if you were into the early days
of like online gaming or chatrooms or anything like that, it
was uh, yeah, it was.
It was rough, unless you werelike super fancy and had a
separate phone line for yourcomputer and then one for your
home phone.
But I mean, you know, those arethe, those are the kids we
would hang out with, likebecause they have a table and

(05:35):
they had like an extra phoneline for their internet, so we
would hang out at their house,even if you know oh yeah but
yeah, you're right.
I mean trying to watch thingsback then on dial up, like you
know, using aol to try toconnect and it's just like I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Anyway, we're already off topic I think I think droid
speak.
You just swore like a mile long, whatever that was.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
That's all right man, then we have a lot of droid
action.
This week we had a lot of droidaction.
We've got, you know, the, thisnew rebel cell looking to take
back their home world of Onderonagainst the Separatist droid
armies.
And Onderon is actually arescue from the EU.

(06:22):
A rescue from the EU.
If you're not familiar withthat, I think Onderon was from
the Tales of the Jedi comicseries back in 93.
But it takes place thousands ofyears in the past.
Once again, dave dipping intothe EU to bring us some goodness

(06:44):
.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Don't play Easter egg hunting with Dave for for money
, Cause he'll, he'll, he'll beatyou every time.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Oh, if you, if you try to like, you know, try to
like deep did.
When the Mandalorian came out,that round table series with all
the directors just sittingthere and just chit-chatting,

(07:11):
hearing Dave Filoni talk in thatgroup, everybody else there was
a fan, no doubt about it.
Everybody, every singledirector on the Mandalorian
series is a star Wars fan.
They were star Wars fans whenthey were kids.
Whatever Dave is is different.
I feel like dave is one of us.
Dave was in his room playingwith action figures, playing

(07:33):
with his star wars toys andwaiting years in between films
to come out, decades in betweenfilms to come out, and just
waiting, waiting, waiting andcreating all of these worlds and
scenarios in his head using hisaction figures.
And now he's playing withlife-size action figures.
But like to hear him speak, tohear this guy talk about star

(07:56):
wars and about the characters.
It's, it's the same, like withsam witware.
It's the same.
It's that same level of loveand passion and dedication that
that you don't see directors andproducers have.
You know, in hollywood they'remost of the time they're there
for a job.
You know they go in, they dothe job they want to.

(08:18):
They want to make changes andmake it their own thing and it's
and it.
It never works.
But then you've got people likeSam and Dave and and John
Favreau as well.
But but yeah, like you said,you know, I mean just hearing
Dave talk about star Wars.
I could just like, if he I wantDave to do a podcast, forget
this, I would, I would unplugthis podcast tomorrow If Dave

(08:46):
Filoni sat down and did apodcast.
Just to talk about all of thestuff that he knows I'm here for
it.
A hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
I'm switching channels right now.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
If he starts, Damn, damn, you're just going to.
Okay, wait To listen.
I would listen.
At least wait for the body toget cold.
All right, so should we get?
Uh, should we get down to it?
Talk about this.

(09:12):
So in these episodes this was agreat little arc.
Uh, a lot of people have saidit's filler.
It's kind of like a filler arc.
We've seen filler episodes.
This is not in my.
I don't find this to be fillerat all.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Well, I say it all the time.
You know, with Dave Filoni,filler is prologue, I mean, and
Saw Gerrera is a perfect exampleof something that you would
think this would be a quickwrite-off of like, okay, it's a
short arc, we're never going tohear about this guy again.
And somebody at Lucasfilm wassmart enough to say, you know,
to start putting pieces in place, going okay, we got this guy

(09:48):
from Rogue One.
He's a little extreme.
Where did he come from?
Well, and I'll get into thatlater.
But yeah, it's interesting tosee sort of the retroactive
retconning of his life story,right, and especially the fact
that, like the whole idea, therebellion may have been actually

(10:10):
started by Anakin Skywalker,darth Vader himself.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, that's well, we're going to talk about that.
I'm glad you brought that up.
We're we're definitely gonna betouching on that.
But it is very interestingbecause you've you've got this
character, saw Gerrera, who isreally polarizing.
You know a lot of people and weactually see that polarization
between Anakin and Obi-Wan whenthey're talking about going to

(10:37):
Onderon.
And you know Obi-Wan's, likeyou know, yeah, we don't really
do the terrorism thing, andAnakin's like it's not terrorism
, they do the terrorism thingand anakin's like it's not
terrorism, they're notterrorists, they're rebels,
they're insurgents.
It's different, like he's, youknow.
But, like you said, anakin waslike we're gonna teach them how
to hit the separatists where ithurts.
And then obi-wan is trying tobe that voice of reason like and

(11:03):
I love, I love that momentwhere where anakin's like what's
the matter, obi-wan, you don'ttrust me.
And he was like oh, that's theproblem, I think I trust you too
much.
And then so they go.
And it was also veryinteresting to see ahsoka and
some of her reactions in thefirst two episodes.
She was really kind of hangingback and she was really
observing.
She was observing the back andforth between anakin and obi-wan
and the camera kept cutting toher and she's just kind of

(11:23):
hanging back and she was reallyobserving.
She was observing the back andforth between anakin and obi-wan
and the camera kept cutting toher and she's just kind of like
mom and dad are fighting again,so we're not fighting.
But you know, yeah, and thenand then once they get to
andaran, you know she's doing itagain between you, the Guerrera

(11:43):
siblings, and you know herlittle boy toy, her little love
interest.
We'll talk about that a littlebit, you know.
So, again, more growth forAhsoka, as always, and I thought
it was great.
So the themes and this is what Iwant to get into, and then you
guys just pour on whateveryou've got.

(12:04):
So the themes in this obviouslyare that thin line between
rebel and terrorist, betweeninsurgent or traitor.
You know, that's kind of like.
You know, uh, um, I think sawsaw had said it.

(12:27):
He said, uh, resistance is notterrorism.
You know that.
You know we, uh, theseparatists, took over because
we allowed them to take over,and there's kind of some
parallels between that andwhat's going on these days
around around these parts.
Yes, there is.
So, so and and actually, beforewe get into that, can we please

(12:49):
talk about really quickly andthen we'll get into the, the
deep conversation.
But can we talk about thecaptain rex drip for a minute?
Can we talk about?
Can we talk about the outfit,the fit fit, the look, the drip?

Speaker 3 (13:06):
You think he, like you know, when he said Anakin
called him and said, okay, we'regoing on a mission, you know
he's digging through the closetfor like his sweetest gear, you
know best con day clothes, like,okay, throw a little hat on
some goggle, got my like thingfor my helmet on His J.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
guys were on the test plate he's been.
He's been sitting on that forweeks, waiting for an excuse
when he, when he rolls outbecause it's like, it's like the
standard, it looked like thestandard issue like clone
officer uniform.
But then he added, he addedsome armor pieces to it, you
know in the hat and everything.

(13:43):
When he came out I was, ooh,daddy Rex, you're looking kind
of nice right now.
Oh my goodness, oh, my goodness,and I would love to cosplay
that.
That would be so cool.
I've seen a few cosplayers forthat, but not very many.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Man.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Rex is just he's the coolest clone man.
I don't care what anybody sayshe's the coolest clone man.
I don't care what anybody says,he's the coolest.
We'll have to do that sometime.
We need to rank our clones.
Rank the, our favorite clone oh, okay yeah, not right now.
Not right now, that'll be,that'll be a good one to kind of
ponder.
You gotta like you need acouple days yeah, go through
that.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I feel like that's not on the fly.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, no, not on the fly.
Like I'm good because, like mytop five are captain rex,
captain rex, captain rex,captain rex and gregor.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
So those that's like my, that's like my top five
barely gregor, barely well, andI guess you know, before we get
too into the, the fashion of ofandaron tony, what did, what did
you think of this arc?
I, this is kind of yeah, tony'snever seen this before, right.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I mean I thought it was great and for me, I think
the biggest thing I mean youalready touched on the concept
of, you know, are theyterrorists or are they rebels,
are they insurgents?
And I mean for me that comesdown to PR essentially.
I mean it's all a point of viewand how you present yourself to

(15:12):
the people, and they do a verygood job in these episodes
Stella and the Rebel Force ofmaking sure that they are doing
the absolute minimum amount ofdamage to civilians, if any at
all.
Right, and making theirintentions clear and as a result

(15:33):
of that, they get to peoplebehind them and that helps drive
the story forward.
For me, I think the biggestthing was seeing Ahsoka be
trusted with this.
I mean you know they make veryclear hey, listen, when you guys
start this whole thing, you aregoing to draw the attention to
Dooku.
They're going to come witheverything they have and Dooku,
who neither Obi-Wan nor Anakinhave defeated on their own, go.

(15:58):
You're fine, ahsoka, you canhandle it.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
They really did.
They really did take.
They took her training wheelsoff.
I mean they've been off.
I don't want to say that, but Imean for this, they really did
just kind of dip out and theysaid you know what handle it
snips.
And she did.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
I think she handled it pretty well well, to the
great, for me, the biggest thingI remember when this, this show
first aired I was in the RebelLegion.
Everybody knows I was a bigRebel pilot and a Jedi costumer
and I had that moment of as soonas they said the T word.
I kind of cringed, because Iknow a lot of guys who would

(16:37):
take captioned pictures ofpeople like me and they sort of
buy a little too in the universewith the whole cosmic thing.
Here's a few rebel terroristsand I was like dude, first off.
We're just people.
This isn't real.
This isn't real.
Take it down a notch, dial downthe rhetoric.
You know the guys who startarguing in public.

(16:59):
Well, the empire was thelegitimate government and and to
your point earlier, anakin wasvery clear about the fact that
we're going to train them totarget the separatists, not
civilians, and for me that isthe.
George Washington is aterrorist.
If you're in England back then,it all depends on who wins.

(17:20):
Who wins and the point of view,and we put his name in monuments
and everything because, well,we won the war.
But people in the fandoms,especially with Star Wars and
the Rebel Alliance and theEmpire and all people were
getting a little too casualthrowing the T word around and I

(17:43):
was very aware of the fact.
I was like, okay, you knowcause?
Battlestar Galactica had agreat arc where the, the, the
Cylons, take over the planet.
They're on and it was just oneof those things.
Yeah, the, the, the head of theresistance in that story was
basically like, look, there areno out of bounds, everything's

(18:03):
up for you.
In that story was basicallylike, look, there are no
out-of-bounds, everything's upfor you, know.
And that's where things getmurky, you know.
That's like you hear about theproblems they had in Ireland
with the British and theterrorist attack.
You know, because they callterrorism when civilians were
getting in the way.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
I like the fact, the idea that the Jedi were very
conscious of civilian casualtiesbeing kept to a fair minimum
and just being the droids and Ithink that there's and there's a
lot to be said for that becauseit's like at what point, at
what point do you draw the lineand at what point do you cross
it in the name of freedom, inthe name of liberty?

(18:39):
Because it's I'm glad youbrought up ireland, you know,
because obviously they had their, their, that period, you know,
I think it was called theTroubles.
I'm not going to pretend to bea history buff, but you know
they wanted a unified Ireland.
You know they wanted all of thecounties together, you know,
under one Irish banner.
And you know it still is not aunified country.

(19:02):
It still is not a unifiedcountry.
But the IRA was considered on aglobal scale.
They were considered aterrorist organization.
But they would have seenthemselves, and in many ways
still do see themselves, asfreedom fighters.
But again, it's like where'sthe line?

(19:28):
And I think I think theseepisodes kind of, kind of like
subtly and almost not so subtlydrew that line.
It's like you don't, you don'tharm civilians even when they
first moved into the city.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
You know, there were scenes where saw and the guys
would like attack her and thepeople that were just passing by
were afraid, you know, asanybody would be if you know
gunfire.
But I think again, because thisis because of the level of
content, you know, I want to saythis is a kid show but this is
an animated show, it's geared toa younger audience.
This is why I can kind of see ashow like this, or rebels in

(20:01):
the same universesor, where theysort of are very clear on the
idea that, okay, we have goodguys, we have bad guys.
The good guys don't do badthings, you know.
And whereas in Andor we may seehim do some things that like in
Rogue One, you know he shootshis informant in the back and

(20:22):
you kind of go, oh Right, butthat was for a little more
mature audience.
But as a whole you could seeboth shows existing in the same
universe because the generaltheme is still there.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
It's you know, there's a rebellion against a
tyrannical government right andlike, even with that, like you
know, going back to what yousaid about this being kids show,
yes, it's, it's geared.
I think at this point, as we'rehitting season five, I think
that the only thing you knowreally juvenile about it is the
fact that it's animated, andeven that doesn't even count.

(20:55):
I mean, if you've seen anywe've all seen you know specific
anime or other other animatedfeatures or cartoons that are
very adult oriented.
So because there was a scene inI think it was the last episode
, with the, uh, the droid ships,when they came into their new
secret nest area, they just camein and sprayed like 20 people

(21:18):
and they and just hosed themcompletely.
They they didn't show theexecution of the, the last rebel
who was there and that commandodroid sauced her.
They didn't show that.
Obviously it was implied.
But those other like 10 or 15people that were up there, they
got just slaughtered, yeah, andwe saw that.

(21:39):
We saw this droid ship pop up,we just didn't see blood and
gore.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
We don't see that and and so that's and that's like
we talked about before in thepreview episode.
You know, compared to a band ofbrothers that would show the
blood splattering and the bodylooms coming off.
Dave's very good at working thequote-unquote camera but, you
know you're telling some verydeep, intense stories, but

(22:06):
you're not doing it in a waythat people would find
inappropriate for a animatedshow on a channel that's
marketed to children right andwe don't necessarily need the
gore.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
You know you can, and dave's really good about that.
You know dave is good aboutsaying it without saying it.
You know we don't, we don't we?
We get enough decapitations andand limb loss.
We get enough gore from thejedi.
We don't necessarily need itfrom everybody else.
So I, I do, I think dave is isreally good about that.
Um, so what?

(22:38):
What are your thoughts?
We see with, with saw.
You know we don't want to jumptoo far ahead because, but we
are starting to get a glimpse.
When you know Stela says youknow we can't do this and risk
civilians was like you knowyou're right, but you know

(23:10):
you're right, but and in hismind I'm sure he's thinking
collateral damage for thegreater good, and we find out
that you know that's hismentality.
Like he's, he gets so obsessedwith defeating the empire for
good reason, um, but it's likeagain that line you know, how
far are you willing to go forliberty and for freedom?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
I I kind of just I was writing stuff down to think
about for this episode and oneline.
The first things I wrote wasthis this story arc is a couple
things, but it's also thetragedy of saga era.
Yeah, because we we meet him inlife and you find out what kind
of guy he is.
And I chuckle because I knowthere are people in certain

(23:52):
circles that was comparing me toSaw.
I was a very polarizing figure,I was a very intense figure.
I just like the good guys yeah,that was my crime apparently
like they're good guys, that wasmy crime apparently.
So you look at a guy like Sawand you see the extremes and
even, on Andor, some of thedifficulties he has keeping

(24:16):
things straight.
I see it almost as a tragedybecause you think about if Stila
had lived I mean their ownpeople when they had that vote
to be the leader.
It wasn't like one of the rankand file nominated her, there
wasn't a power struggle, itwasn't a contest.

(24:38):
There was no, back chatter, promking kind of drama.
Right, they picked her becauseshe was the best among them.
They believed in her.
They believed in her, theybelieved in her and I really
feel like when she died, youknow, I thought could you
imagine how things would havegone differently had Stila lived

(25:01):
to sort of be Saw's balance?
Yeah, in Rogue One, his biggestfault is that he gets
unbalanced up here, he getsparanoid, he gets you know there
are no extreme.
There's no extreme to extremein his mind.
I feel like Steela would havebeen the calming voice that
would have sort of said no, wecan't go.

(25:22):
Like Luthen said Saw is toocomfortable using the tools.
Voice that would have sort ofsaid no, we can't go.
You know, like, like umlutheran said, you know he saw
us too comfortable using thetools of his enemies to defeat
them.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, and it's, it's just.
That's a great point becausethey did balance each other out.
You know, she was that balance.
You know, even between saw, andI can't remember the young, the
young boys, oh, lux, yeah, yeah.

(25:52):
So you know, even with them, youknow she saw the value of both
sides.
She saw the value of words andpolitics, the necessity for that
, and then she also saw the needfor the fist and for violence
and she saw that there is amiddle ground there and if Star

(26:12):
Wars has taught us anything,it's that the middle ground,
while not as flashy ornecessarily as powerful as the
extremes, it's going to get youthere in the best possible way.
You we've, we see that withstela, we see that with ahsoka
later on.
You know that it's that middleground and it goes back to um.

(26:35):
You know, obviously star warsis rooted in, you know, asian
culture and it just goes back tolike buddhism.
Buddhism preaches the middleground.
Take the middle path, you know,don't focus on wealth, you
don't have to live in abjectpoverty, take that middle road,
you know, and you'll be fine,you'll be happy.
And and she was that, she wasthat counterbalance and then,

(26:57):
yeah, like you said, by her, byher dying he's, he's just off
the leash.
Now, you know, and now he'sgoing to be moving and we're
going to see him again, you know.
Yeah, we'll see him again.
I think rebels and in bad batchsaw.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
His mindset to me very much reminds me of luther
from andor, where it's the he.
He is committed to his cause.
He knows he's doomed himself.
He knows that, that, that youknow that that at the end of the
day he's not going to live longenough to see the end results
of his work right.
And he knows that you know, forlack of a better term, he has

(27:35):
doomed his soul for for goingdown the path that he has done.
But he is committed and he iswilling to make that sacrifice
of himself to make it work.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, absolutely.
And Crash, like you said, it isthe tragedy of Saw Gerrera.
I mean, for anyone like him,what an incredibly lonely
existence.
Even though you're surroundedby people who follow you, you're
still really alone in knowingthat you're pretty much the only

(28:06):
person who has the will to dowhat must be done and to really
really get your hands dirty.
You know it's, it really is atragedy, because had he just
leaned a little bit more, youknow, onto the negotiating side,
then you know, maybe, uh, maybe, things would have turned out

(28:27):
differently.
But, um, so that that brings meto my, my, my, my big question
Do we, as a society, just thehuman society?
Um, are people like sawnecessary, or are we, we, or do
we need more people like Steela,someone that can walk that

(28:51):
middle path between the pen andthe sword and find value in both
?
But do we need those justextremely hardcore, blunt
instruments like saw guerreracould?
Could the rebellion haveexisted or prevailed without him

(29:13):
in his efforts?
What do you guys think?

Speaker 2 (29:17):
that's a great question.
Um, I think we need I think weneed more people like Steela,
okay, but I also think you doneed a couple of Saws.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Okay, yeah, I think the Saga Rares of the world get
remembered sometimes for thewrong reasons.
Patton got a movie made abouthim because he was a blood and
guts tank commander who slappedone of his own men.
But a general like Omar Bradley, you know, is why we win the

(29:52):
war, is why we got through thepost-war.
The level-headed, committed andloyal to their troops kind of
mentality that Steela had iswhat gets things done.
But people remember the flash,people remember the flashier

(30:13):
banging parts of the fight and Ithink Saw sort of gets wrapped
up in wanting to be right,wanting people to acknowledge
that he's right.
We'll see later on some of thethings.
He's not wrong in what hebelieves in and believes about
the Empire, but there's alwaysthat moment where somebody has

(30:36):
to go okay.
So I'll dial it down, dial itback, and I think that was what
Stela was.
Stela was that little angel onthe shoulder that kept him from
going from liberator, you knowuh, to terrorist and and that's
we'll see later on with him inshows like andor and rebels and

(30:59):
stuff so do we?

Speaker 1 (31:03):
you know not, do we?
But could the rebellion again?
Could the rebellion havesucceeded without people like
saw guerrera or cassian andor?
Because those are two men thatare very much cut from the same
cloth and willing to doliterally anything for the sake
of liberty, anything, even ifthat means whoa, whoa what was

(31:30):
that hurry yeah seriously um youguys heard that okay yeah,
weather's.
Weather's getting warmer,windows are open, people are on
their bikes, yep um.
So, saw and andor, you knowthey clearly played huge roles
in the rebellion and they werein many ways very instrumental

(31:54):
in getting the rebellion off toa good, solid start.
Could there have still beensuccess without them?
Would it have just taken longer, or would it have been
impossible without those bluntinstruments when you're fighting
something like the empire?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
So I think that, unfortunately, speaking in war
like, there's a great line fromfrom West wing, which is one of
my favorite TV shows of all time, where they're talking about
war crimes and one of thegenerals says to Leo McGarry all
wars are crimes At some point,no matter how many rules you try

(32:36):
to have in place.
The very nature of war itself isa crime.
When you're going against inthis case, the Empire, which has
no qualms about massslaughtering people, destroying
an entire planet, at some point,if you're not willing to be

(33:02):
just as ruthless, you can't win.
So I think that it is necessaryto have people like Saw and
Cassian, at least at the start,to actually start the fight and
make the moves that you need tomake to get things going.

(33:22):
But you also absolutely needpeople like steal and I think
you need more of them to torally the P, the rest of the
people, behind you Once it'sgoing.
Oh, you, you, you.
You mentioned it as the sparkof the rebellion.
I don't think that spark existswithout people like song,
cassia Right Cause you need thatlike saw and Cassian.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Right, cause you need that predator, you need that
force, I mean, in order tocreate a spark.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know you've got to create friction, you've got
to have that Right, and I thinkthat's the role that they play,
and I think people like Stilaare are the oxygen and and and
the fuel to build the fire.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Past that, Great points Crash.
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Oh, I totally agree and I love that West Wing
reference.
I'm also a big fan of that showand I agree we sort of look
into moments of our own historyand you say, okay, who was the
spark, who was the fuel?
And there are times where youneed people like Andor and Saw

(34:23):
to get the ball rolling, to getpeople inspired to stand up and
not just keep their head down.
In Rogue One he asks Jyn, areyou okay with the Empire taking
over the galaxy?
And she goes only if you don'tlook up.
And that's a big lesson peopleneed to take, not just from
Rogue One but this arc of CloneWars and, to be honest, even

(34:48):
like modern day life.
You know there's things outthere happening that you know
people need to keep their headup.
There's Marvae Endor would sayyou know, don't be asleep.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
And that's yeah.
Like you know, the term wokehas taken on a different, a
different meaning these days.
But you know, in its in itsliteral term, you have to stay
awake.
You, you cannot sleep because,like you know, like saw said, we
allowed the separatists to takeover on deron.

(35:19):
You know, when anything badhappens in a, in a nation,
ultimately it's the fault of thepeople.
You know, I'm not victimshaming, I'm just saying, you
know, the people always have thenumbers, the people always have
the most to lose.
So if they're not doingsomething, you know, like it's

(35:39):
interesting, sherry had man.
I wish sh she was on the show.
She went while we were watchingthe last episode.
She had.
You know, you see all, the, allthe people coming out to steal
his funeral.
You know, there's, there'sthousands, tens of thousands of
people there and Sherry saidwhere the hell were all these
people during, during the battle?
You know, and if you, if youlook at, if you draw the

(36:02):
parallels to things that arehappening in our real world,
where are all the people here?
It's the same thing.
Not everybody is going to goout to fight, not everybody has
that drive to do that.
They may want change, they maywant liberty, but not everyone
has that fire or the couragethat's necessary to do that.

(36:26):
You know.
So when we see the vastmajority of you know these
onduron or isis or not isis uh,yeah, it was, isis right, the
city of isis yeah, unfortunatelynames it yeah, yeah, that did
not age well, but we see thevast majority of the citizens

(36:46):
out there and they dideventually start acting.
But look at what it took forthem to get there.
It took so much for them toactually for the people capital
P to get pushed to the pointwhere they're now getting off
the bench and joining the game.
Then you know, it's very muchlike what we see here.

(37:07):
You know, we've got millionsand millions of people who do
nothing or don't vote.
I mean, we had I don't knowwhat the number is, I know it
was like tens of millions ofpeople who didn't vote it was
something like 33, 36, you know,did not vote at all and another
10 voted independent.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
It was just like that .
Yeah, it's what.
I've worked on local voterregistration campaigns and it's
so frustrating because peoplesay, well, why is voting
mandatory?
And I always kind of counter,Well, do you want everybody's
idiot cousin like's idiot cousin, throwing off the scales just
by going heads or tails?
You need an informed electorate, you need a passionate

(37:51):
electorate and you need peoplethat have to really take into
account what these choices theirleaders make will have on, not
just in the case of Onderon.
The king even said I was givena choice between the separatists
and the Republic and he saidthey're both.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
And he said it, he said it and they're both corrupt
.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
And I love not only do I love that the king said
that, I love that Dave wrotethat, I love that Dave is not
shying away or pretending thatthe Republic isn't corrupt that
line.
It's kind of a throwaway linebut it carries so much weight

(38:39):
when you really stop to thinkabout it the fact of where that
line came from.
That line came from Dave andhis writers, if not Dave himself
, saying I looked at both andboth are corrupt and I had to
pick one before one of thempicked for me.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, how many times in history have people had that
choice made for them by somebodybecause they fit on a place in
a map?

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, and we see it every day in the united states,
certain states, you know whenthey uh the whole gerrymandering
thing, when they redraw, youknow the, the voter registration
lines or whatever it's like.
You know the whole districtboundary was redrawn, you know,
in order to favor the voting forone way or another, and both
parties are guilty of this.
It's not, it's not one party oranother you know, and it's just

(39:31):
and that's what dave said too.
I think, dave, you know that'shis way of saying.
It's still democrats andrepublicans.
If we're looking at it, realworld, they're both corrupt.
They both have their ownagendas.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
See, the problem is and we can relate this to Star
Wars or we can relate this toreal life the issue is in a
perfect world, when we go in,like personally, we should have
more than two political parties,because that way no one party
can have any true power, becausethey've got to work together.
That's neither here nor there.
That's probably not going tohappen in our lifetimes, because

(40:08):
and that's a whole other.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
And yes, but.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
But to shrink this down, it would be great if,
going into the voting booth, wehad a choice between good and
better.
But in my lifetime we've neverhad that.
We've had a choice between badand worse.
The lesser of the two levelsquite frankly, that's more
important and that's the partthat aggravates.
But in my lifetime we've neverhad that.
We've had a choice between badand worse.
The lesser of the two evils,Quite frankly, that's more

(40:32):
important and that's the partthat aggravates me is so many
people are like, well, bothsides are bad.
Yes, they are no argumentsthere.
But if it's a choice betweenbad and worse, picking right
matters.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
It does, it does and we've seen evidence of that
since our nation's inception.
And I know, you know we don'twe don't really talk politics
very much, but star wars ispolitics.
Star wars is rooted in politicsand george himself drew in the
politics of our nation into StarWars.

(41:04):
I mean there's, you know.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
There's a great interview he did with James
Cameron.
You know two really gooddirectors talk and shop and
George actually James, you know,sort of laid it out for him
that the rebellion was based offthe Viet Cong, which means
we're the empire.
You know, the general idea isthat america lost the vietnam

(41:28):
war, much like the empire did,because they started over and
reaching, stepping into placesthey didn't need to be right,
yeah, we at the time, you knowmy dad.
I talked to my dad about, yeah,he served during vietnam.
He wasn't in combat but he wason a ship in the region and he's
got a very different For peoplewho lived through that time.

(41:52):
They were sort of fed thisnarrative that we were there to
do good and the protests againstthe war were sort of they take
it personally because they camehome and they said, yeah, if you
were in your uniform.
They take it personally becauseyou know they came home and he
said, yeah, people would if youwere in your uniform, people
would spit on you, yeah,absolutely, as you walk by.
And now you know people talkabout that war and we say, well,

(42:14):
thank you for your service.
You know it came.
It's become sort of a platitude.
It is.
It is and it's been interestingkind of talking to him as he's
gotten older, where the reactionof the politics of his lifetime
changed.
You know that war wasn'tpopular at the time it was
happening, but now it's beenthrough movies and everything

(42:36):
else.
We sort of gloss over this ideathat well, you know we're still
the good guys there, eventhough you know things were done
that I would exactly be proudof.
You know we're still the goodguys there, even though you know
things were done that were Iwould exactly be proud of.
you know our part in of coursebut you know it's, it's hard
when you're, when you're a afamily member of a participant

(42:57):
in that war, that you just sortof go well what you know.
There's fault on fault in bothfronts on that, oh absolutely.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Absolutely, and I don't know, this is probably a
hot take, but I think that,honestly, world War II was
probably the last justifiablewar, in my opinion, I think, for
us to have been involved in.
I mean, that was a war ofnecessity.
I mean, war does not need tohappen, but sometimes it needs
to happen and in that case therewas a very clear and defined

(43:32):
evil.
There was a very clear anddefined level of human atrocity
that was happening and someonehad to step in and and make
things right.
But then you talk about, likeyou know, like korea and vietnam
, and even the war in the middleeast and the war on a vague

(43:53):
concept like terror, you knowyeah because I mean that's you
know when you talk about.
You know insurgents andinsurrectionists and things like
that.
You know we, you know during,during, you know like, you know
afghanistan and you know the warin the middle east.
You know we were we referred to.
You know the quote-unquote enemy, as you know insurgents you

(44:16):
know, we didn't refer to them asknow anything else and it's
like, but they're defendingtheir homeland and their way of
life and you know it's like thatregion yeah, it's.
That region is completelyoverrun by religious

(44:38):
fundamentalism and a lot ofpeople live poorly because of it
.
That region used to thriveprior to the onset of religious
fundamentalism.
I mean, that's where beautifulmusic and high-level mathematics
and art and culture.
I mean that region was just amecca of learning and creativity

(45:02):
, just a mecca of learning andcreativity.
And then it all got snuffed outand it all got stifled because
of religious fundamentalism, butthat's their culture, you know.
And at what point again we'retalking about crossing lines
this week?
At what point, you know, havewe as a nation crossed the line
into other people's problems?

(45:24):
And that takes us back to theepisode, because we see that
with the Jedi Council you know,obi-wan and Anakin they said we
just cannot get involved, wecan't fight this war, for them
is having a hard time dealingwith that.

(45:45):
She's having a hard time reallyunderstanding.
Well, these people are fightingfor liberty and they're dying
and it's like it's not a hundredpercent our place to step in
and you know who didn't have aproblem hondo.
And then there's hondo, our boyhondo.
He's like, ah, they paid verywell he doesn't give a shit.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
That was one of my favorite scenes of Hondo, when
he delivers those rockets,because that is him to a T.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
And then when those commando droids showed up, he's
like, oh, look at the time, it'stime to go Bye.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Which makes you wonder how many times he's just
dropped off weapons like this inthe middle of a firefight
anywhere.
He's not committed to the cause.
He jokes to Anakin about beinga delivery boy, but if the
money's, right, here's a pizza.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
I love Hondo.
And he did not even try to hidehis presence.
He came in in that big luxuryyacht and sat down at their
secret base and and was likehere you go and then.
And then he takes off.
Love Hondo, absolutely loveHondo.
With with Ahsoka again and andyou know the whole, you know,

(46:57):
should the Jedi have beeninvolved or whatever, we do see
them acting as advisors andtrainers.
You know, almost taking on likea CIA type role, like going
into a country, you know,providing them with training and
weapons and money.
And Anakin even said that, Ibelieve, or was it Obi-Wan?
They said we're still going tokeep providing them with credits
and arms, but we can't fightfor them.

(47:19):
So should that have Very similarto what we're doing in Ukraine,
very similar to what we'redoing.
So there's all these parallels.
Yes, star Wars is science,fantasy and yes, it is fiction.
But the parallels betweenwhat's going on in a galaxy far,
far away and what's happeninghere in the real world, not just

(47:42):
now but throughout, know thethe years that star wars has
been around it's, it's reallyamazing.
And you can't have one with thewithout the other.
You can't have the lightsabersand the space battles and and
and.
All of that without thepolitics, because, at its core,
star wars is a cautionary tale.
This is what's going to happenif you allow it to happen.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Star trek.
Trek was great.
The original series, even thelater series, were great about
mixing in current politicaldilemmas, drama, whatever you
call it in a sci-fi setting, ina different universe.
You could talk about so manydifferent topics and not pretend

(48:24):
to be taking a side or playingfavorites to one or the other,
and it was just so much.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
There's such good writing in that show yeah, like
Gene Rodger and the same with.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Dave, on Clone Wars.
There's such good writing andthoughtful writing, writing, but
not lecturing again.
Start Clone Wars was sort of atthis point.
You know it's clearly gearingmore toward an older audience,
yeah, but always that level ofStar Wars being for, you know,

(48:57):
early adolescent kids.
You know, where do you?
Where was the first time youactually kind of got introduced
to the concept of, well, well,what is a justifiable war?
What is a patriot versus aterrorist?
And you know, like we've donejust on this show, we're making
comparisons to, like, georgeWashington versus, you know,

(49:19):
other figures in history.
Like Obi-Wan says, it alldepends on your certain point of
view, and Star Wars is great atshowing political struggles
from a certain point of viewabsolutely.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
And again, you just, you can't have Star Wars without
the politics.
You got to do it.
The force, lightsabers,blasters, cute little monkey,
lizards, you know funky, funnypirates, you've got all that,
but you got to have.
You got to have your uh, yourpolitics in there, and I think

(49:56):
we all can agree.
Going back to hondo, hondo isunder utilized.
Hondo is underutilized.
He is an underutilizedcharacter I want to see.
I want to see hondo in somekind of like a buddy road trip
sort of movie, and I just don'tknow with who.
I feel like him and obi-wanwould have made like a great

(50:18):
road trip team, because hondo,hondo gets on Obi-Wan's nerves.
But Obi-Wan can fire right backand be just as sarcastic and be
just as big of a smartass.
He would push Anakin's buttonstoo much and Anakin would end up
killing him.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
I was hoping for a Hondo cameo in the Obi-Wan
Kenobi series.
That would have been great,Even if it would have blown his
cover.
I'm like, okay, Hondo would nothave snitched on his friend
Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I don't know, I don't know about that.
I think for the right priceHondo is going to snitch, but no
hard feelings, it's like sorryObi.
We're going to wrapitch, but nohard feelings, it's like sorry
Obi.
So if we're, we're going towrap up here shortly.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
But Before we do that , I do have one question for you
guys, because this is somethingI picked up on and I was kind
of enjoying in the first episode.
Again, this show is obviouslyfollowing Ahsoka's path through
life.
Yes, what did you guys think ofthe pseudo love triangle?

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Her and Lux Vontari, before she realized that Stela
was his sister.
There's a lot of longingglances going on when people are
interacting with each other andit's just, it was funny, as
someone who's you know got us asister and and we used to go

(51:53):
through his fan circle I I hadpeople that thought emily and I
were a couple and you have to go.
No, dude, we're brother andsister.
You know, like it's cool.
I just I love that.
This was sort of like theAhsoka after-school special of
like first time, you know, theboy she likes likes another girl
.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah, that's true and honestly, I'm glad that you
brought this up, because therewas one thing about this that
kind of surprised me was thatthere's a point where and I
don't remember if it's in thefirst or the second episode kind
of surprised me was thatthere's a point where and I
don't remember if it's in thefirst or the second episode
where she turns to Anakin.
She's like, you know, justsaying she's having a really
hard time.
She's clearly talking aboutthis thing with Lux and he's

(52:32):
like I totally understand.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
And she seems surprised by that which, to me,
is the Wait.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
so I mean because to me it was pretty clear that at
least going in that Ahsoka had apretty good understanding of
Anakin and Padme.
It wasn't expressly discussed,she at least had an inkling of
what was going on there.
So for her to be kind ofsurprised by his understanding

(52:58):
kind of threw me off a littlebit.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Well, think about it.
Up to this point the three ofthem haven't really been around
each other that much.
There's only been a fewinstances where the three of
them are together, and moreoften than not it's usually
padme and ahsoka who are kind oflike hanging out doing the
sisterhood thing.
Um, so we, you know, I don'tthink ahsoka, I, I think Obi-Wan

(53:21):
at this point Obi-Wan is awareor has an inkling, but Ahsoka is
no, I don't think she's seen itthat much yet.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Yeah, there's a great short in the they did with
Anakin, padme and Ahsoka on amission and it sort of lets it
slip that she, you know, shekind of lets it slip to the tomb
that she's aware of thatunspoken thing and I think this
is this episode.

(53:52):
Yeah, I thought it wasinteresting that Anakin's trying
to give relationship advice toher.
Yeah, and I'm going dude, youare the bigger, you're the
hotter mess than she is.
Yeah, and you're giving loveadvice yeah, oh, I know.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
When he said that, when he, when he was talking
about you know focus, you knowpurpose over feelings, yeah, I
was like like sherry and Ilooked at each other.
You're like come on guy, comeon anakin.
No, no, no, no, I'm not takinglove advice from you.
No, you, you don't.
But he does have anunderstanding, he does, you know
, he gets it and this is a crushfor us.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah, and to some degree.
Yeah, it was nice to see thatanakin can, without saying the
whole thing out loud, can justkind of look at his panel and go
.
I can relate, kid, you know.
We've seen obi-wan had a girlthat got away, you know and he
keeps it buried.
He keeps it buried for now butyeah, but Anakin, because we

(54:49):
said, you know, love is his weakspot, you know, when he sees
his Padawan having feelingsabout something that could be
interfering with the mission, Iwas like, okay, pac call.
You know Pac calling the kettleblack, but at least it's good
advice.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
He cares for her so much he cares for her so much I
love it.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
And one other thing I will say, and I don't hold any
faith.
I don't hold any belief in this, but it's fun to go down the
path, just like what we do withthe Darth Jar Jar.
I was reading as part of thisbecause obviously for me this is
the first time watching thisand it came out years and years
ago.
So I went back and looked atsome of the feedback, some of

(55:31):
the talk that came out whenthese first episodes first
dropped and there was a small,granted very small portion of
people that were like so didAhsoka try as hard as she can to
save Steela?
Give him that love triangle.
I was like come on, dude, shegot shot in the back.
She did, of course she did.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
It was kind of funny that they brought it up.
I had said that to Sherry too.
I said I was like, yeah, well,now she can get her boy back.
And no, it was obvious shereally did.
She really did try.
But that's one of those things,unfortunately, with Steela.
It had to happen for everyone'sgrowth, unfortunately.

(56:14):
And also, watching this, I wasjust seeing Anakin interact with
Ahsoka, the level of caringthat he has for her, the amount
of love that he has for her.
And then I just startedthinking about the scene with
Ahsoka and Luke in.
You know, as we move ahead, youknow her, her talk.

(56:34):
You know, while Luke istraining Grogu and she's she's
interacting with Luke.
You know, the son of this manthat she, that she loved and
adored and cared for, you know,like, like a brother, more than
a brother I I don't even thinkthere's a.
There's a familial, familialrelationship that could describe
the relationship between thetwo of them.

(56:57):
It's like as as much love, asmuch, you know caring, as you
can have for someone, without itbeing romantic at all in any
way.
You know it's just, it was veryprofound, it was a very the
relationship between the two ofthem and it just, it's just
breaks my heart anyway.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
And just that smirk on her face when she went older.
Ahsoka says I'm a friend of thefamily.
I mean she means down.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
She does.
She is a friend of the family.
She is family.
I don't even like that.
She said that she's a friend ofthe family.
Ahsoka, queen, you are family.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
I called her Auntie Ahsoka when that episode came
out because I was like that'sthe name from her mother.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
I am so excited to see more of Ahsoka.
I want more Ahsoka.
It's just.
She is the best character inStar Wars, Bar none the best
character in Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
And, real quick, the scene where the current king
whatever you think of him wasgoing to execute everybody and
Ahsoka was going to break cover.
Yeah, I love that.
They kept showing her juststrutting to the front.
It was interesting.
Like you said earlier, anakinand Obi-Wan get recalled back to

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Coruscant and they leave her.
It was almost like you know thekids on summer camp with kids
her own age for the first timeand it's a very, I think, she
sort of she was trying to followorders and not expose herself
and it was just that momentwhere it was like she was ready
to break out those lightsabersand just be like I can't let him

(58:33):
die yeah, and she's, she's notthat person, she's she.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah, she can't let innocent people die, you know,
and but it was nice seeing hertoo with this little crush that
she has, because it also kind oflike it shows her desire for
normalcy.
You know the that need of anyyoung person who's thrust into
an extraordinary situation towant to have some normalcy in

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their life.
You know she, she embraces thefact that she's a total fucking
bad-ass.
She loves the fact that she's abad-ass and that she does
bad-ass shit.
Um, but I think in in this withher, her situation with lux,
that uh, we do see that shewants, she wants a little
normalcy.

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And then she gets friend zonedhard.
You know, after stela kisseshim, she gives him the old
little chuck on the shoulderlike ah, look at you.
And she just got friend zoned.
I'm like, oh, ahsoka got friendzoned.
How could you do that?
I mean it never would haveworked out anyway.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
I mean it's it would have been too much to repeat the
same you know.
Yet we know about anakin andpadme.
We know, you know.
We now know about obi-wan onsatine.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
It had been a bit much for ahsoka to also have a
unrequited love thing going onthere and they're too committed
to their individual roles in youknow and anyway, and Padme and
Anakin have a weird creepyrelationship that's just
unnatural.
Anyway, it's a, you know, likePalpatine would say, it's you
know, the relationship that somewould would not consider to be

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natural.
I've never liked thatrelationship.
Anyway, all right, so that's it.
Do you guys have anything elsethat you want to talk about?
Any note?
Crash, you said you had somenotes.
Did we cover a lot of the stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Yeah, we pretty much covered the whole spread.
I'm going out to Fan ExpoCleveland this weekend.
We're going to shoot some testfootage for a new segment.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
All right, I might see you out there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Okay, we'll be out there and just having a good
time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
All right, sounds good, tony, I do have one little
thing.
As I know none of us areparticularly big sports people,
but first weekend of MarchMadness a very common time for a
lot of guys to sit around andget drunk I decided to do
something a little differentthis year.
So the final episodes of YoungJedi Adventures, just released

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earlier this week, are you going?

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
to binge Young Jedi.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Adventures I am, and you know how.
I've got my little game that Ilike to play with this, so we'll
see how this goes oh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
So okay with us, so we'll see how this goes.
Oh so okay, so we need to.
We need to break this down forfolks that maybe didn't hear
about this in our first season.
So, as we've already discussed,you know, if you're, if you're
tuning in for the first time, ormaybe you know you haven't gone
back as far um, when we startedthis, like we said, we're we're
doing everything inchronological order, so at that
time it was before the acolytehad come out.
So our the beginning of ourchronological order.
So at that time it was beforethe acolyte had come out.

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So our the beginning of ourchronological timeline started
with young Jedi adventures,which is Canon.
So we watched a few episodes ofthat just to kind of get a feel
for it, and we created adrinking game to go along with
this children's show, and it iswildly inappropriate and I think

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what, what was it like everytime the kids are put into a a
situation that child protectiveservices would be called on?

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I mean that's one of the rules.
That's one of the rules is youknow if they learn a lesson and
then apply the lesson within thesame episode.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
there's a drink, so you know you're going to drink
every episode You're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
There's a few different ones.
I'm going to have to look upthe rules again.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
If you haven't seen Young Jedi Adventures, watch it.
As an adult, I can say it's alot of fun, especially if you
add alcohol to it.
So alcohol and kids shows justgo together.
I don't know why it's just Iwould challenge anyone to find a
kids show they like and I'mtalking about a kids show.
I'm talking about somethinglike on, like you know, I don't

(01:02:48):
know, like Disney, disney kids,or I mean like just something
like for, like the preschoolcrowd, you know, or you know,
like Young Jedi Adventures.
That's like, you know,preschool-ish, right, I think
that's a demo.
So Young Jedi Adventures, dora,you know things like that and
make it a drinking game.
If nothing else, like with Dora, you could apply the same

(01:03:10):
things.
If nothing else like with dora,you could apply the same things
every time dora is put in asituation where her parents
could potentially be arrestedfor neglect.
Do a shot and you'll be fuckinghammered within two episodes.
I promise you you'll.
Just, you'll be done.
You'll be completelyschnockered.
But uh, there's something wrongwith us when we turn kids tv
shows into drinking games.

(01:03:31):
There's something wrong with uswhen we turn kids TV shows into
drinking games.
There's something.
It's funny Cause we had a.
I just saw that we had a viewerpop on and as soon as we
mentioned we mentioned drinkingand kids shows.
Oh there we go.
Radio radio beach.
She says blues clues.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
So all right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Radio beach.
You got it.
Now that you brought it up, yougot to type it in the chat.
How are you drinking?
How are you assigning shots toBlue's Clues?
Is it every time Steve sayshandy dandy notebook, or every
time Blue finds a clue?
Or what is it?
Because we need to know now,because now I want to do that,

(01:04:11):
teletubbies, teletubbies isanother one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I'm purely joking here because I know he's a real
guy and whatnot, but is thatwhat happened to the actual
Steve?
Is that he was playing the gamein real life and got fucked up?
Because I know he disappearedfor a long time?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
He did.
Yeah, steve disappeared.
I think he ended up going tocollege or something.
I think he just needed to.
You know, I think he went tocollege, fell on some hard times
and, like you do, you know ithappens, poor Steve, but he was
great.
What was his cousin took over,what was his cousin's name?
I don't remember that other guy, I don't have kids, I never
watched the show.

(01:04:49):
I don't have kids either.
I just watch kids shows.
It's what.
I don't have kids either.
I just watch kids shows.
No, I have kids.
My kids love that.
And then there was another showcalled Ubi.
I don't know if you guys everseen Ubi, but it was like
everybody, like the characterswere hands.
It was like straight up likepeople's hands, with these
little eyeballs, like they werewearing, like it was like a ring
with eyeballs on it and likethey would just try to, and

(01:05:14):
everybody's hand was like adifferent shape, it's like, and
they would just.
There was a grandpa.
It was like these two, thesetwo kids that lived with their
grandfather, and I think it wascalled ubi.
Um, all right.
So radio beach says for theblues clues, drinking game in
the mail chair, and then, whenblue finds a clue, yeah, I mean
that's a guaranteed couple shotswe just got a letter.

(01:05:37):
We just got a letter.
We just got a letter.
I wonder who it's from.
Yeah, I, I was a stay-at-homedad for a minute, so that bear
in the big blue house that was,was great.
They had mail on that too.
I don't know what.
What is it about?
Mail on kids shows?
What's in the mail today?

(01:05:59):
What's in the mail today Today,I don't know.
Anyway, we're losing all of ourviewers now.
All right, thanks for.
Uh.
I guess that's a wrap.
We've stopped talking aboutstar.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Wars.
Yeah, we've run out of talkingwise.
We're just on Tantus now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
We're on Tantus.
All right, we're done.
That's why we have a setschedule that we're supposed to
follow and we never do.
All right, so that's going tobe it.
So homework for next week,season five episodes six, seven,
six, seven, eight and nine.
So four more episodes for you,and that is the kids arc.
I think that's the younglingsarc, if I'm not mistaken.

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More ahsoka, more growth.
Radio beach said uh, kids lovemail, and I guess that's true.
When you're an adult you don'tlove mail anymore.
It's always bills.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Well, yeah, when you remember when you were little,
you got excited.
I didn't win, like a card fromgrandma came in or something, oh
yeah now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Now grandma's dead, so you don't get cards from
grandma, and everything else inthe mail is just bad news.
It's either spam or it's.
I don't even get excited aboutemail.
It's like oh, adulting is theworst.
Sometimes, man it can be it isoh, all right, radio Beast says
good show.
Guys, I'm out.
Thanks for joining us andjoining us in the chat.
I appreciate you All out.

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We appreciate you.
And next week, I think the 25th,is actually going to be medal
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So, uh, definitely, uh, tip ofthe hat to all of the those
folks, uh, that have been arecipient of the medal of honor,

(01:08:43):
because you don't get that ongood days, uh, we'll just say
that.
So, uh, we have a lot of loveand respect for our all of our
service members and veterans.
Um, but the medal of honorwinners, not winners I always
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You don't win the medal ofhonor, you receive it because
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(01:09:04):
yeah, anyway, so that's a.
So, if you, if you know aveteran, if you know an active
duty service member, if you knowa veteran, if you know an
active duty service member, ifyou know a, uh, a medal of honor
winner, if you're aware, uh,just you know, shake their hand.
You don't have to say thanksfor your service, it's, you know
.
Whatever, uh, if you want to,if it makes you feel good,
that's fine.
Just you know, shake, shakinghands, pat them on the back,

(01:09:26):
whatever.
You want to do something likethat, so all right.
So that's going to be it for us.
Anybody have anything on theway out?

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
No, that's it right, we'll see you next week.
Let me see if I can do thisright.
Um, I'll put that there, likethat, and we'll see if I push
the button the right way.
All right, fingers crossed thatI pushed the right.
I don't know what's going tohappen.
Anyway, all right.
So thanks, gentlemen.

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Thank you for joining us againthis week.
And we almost got Felicia Dayon the show this week, by the
way.
We'll talk about that moreanother time.
So this close, I think she washere in Cleveland.
She was hanging out at the WestSide Market.
So there you go.
All right, so that's going todo it for us again.
Thanks everyone for joining usand remember, as always, if no

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one does anything nice for you,do something nice to yourself,
and we'll see y'all next week.
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