December 19, 2024 • 40 mins
Join us as we journey into the depths of Star Wars: "Skeleton Crew," season 1, episode 4, and reveal the uncanny parallels with the Fallout universe. There's an undeniable connection between these worlds and the eerily similar suburban communities of the 80s, evoking thoughts of experimental societies. We also speculate on the lingering shadows of Palpatine over the Great Work.
We delve into the dynamic character arcs that define this chapter, particularly focusing on Jod's blend of moral ambiguity and loyalty, reminiscent of the roguish charm of Jack Sparrow and Han Solo. Neil and Fern's growth under pressure paints a compelling picture of young leaders grappling with unforeseen challenges. Melding Star Wars' enduring themes of courage with fresh character insights, this episode provides a rich exploration of morality and leadership in a galaxy teetering on the edge of chaos. Our nerdy analysis captures the essence of these character-driven stories, reflecting on the evolving roles of our young heroes as they confront their fears and rise to new challenges.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
a hey welcome to Skeleton Crew Review.
I'm Tommy D and pilot of theinfamous Parma Flyer.
It's Crash, How's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Great S-foil's locked and ready to roll, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
There you go.
I like to hear that.
All right, so of course,cameras already being wonky.
So Skeleton Crew, season 1,episode 4.
All right, so, of course,cameras already being wonky.
So skeleton crew, season one,episode four crash.
I have, I have questions, Ihave theories.
There's so much like there's somuch, and I I don't even know
where to start.
I just I'm just staring downthe barrel of this, this huge
(01:02):
list of of things here in frontof me, and I, uh, I don't know
where to start.
I guess we'll start at thebeginning, huh yeah, might as
well.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
All right, let's just throw the you know the star
wars goonies thing out thewindow.
Like we're going places withthis show, I think besides just
a remake of an 80s movie, youknow, there's some depth to this
show now one thing now.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Some people may or may not get this, but so we
learned about.
Last episode kim told us aboutwhat was it?
The jewels, the jewels of therepublic planet, I think that's
what it was.
So these six planets that, forwhatever reason, were hidden.
We don't, we haven't discoveredthat yet and I'm looking
(01:48):
forward to finding out why.
Um, so we found out about thosethings and after seeing at
akron this week, the thing thatinstantly popped into my brain
was vault tech.
I had mentioned that before howstuff was feeling a little
vault techie.
So if you, if you're familiarwith fallout um, for those of
(02:10):
you that are watching orlistening, if any of you are
familiar with fallout um, youget it.
If you're not, um, you know,briefly, the whole premise of
the fallout games and now the tvseries.
Post-apocalyptic wasteland bombsdropped, people went into these
(02:31):
vaults to uh, escape the youknow, apocalyptic nuclear
hellfire, only to re-emerge insome cases hundreds of years
later.
But the company that put thesetogether vault tech.
It's theorized that theyactually engineered the war in
order to sell space in the vault.
But then also there were dozensof vaults.
(02:54):
Each vault had a separateexperiment going on inside of it
.
So some, some vaults.
I think there was like onevault where it was just nothing,
nothing was happening.
It was allowed to just kind ofgo on its own.
But then others had veryspecific things going on in them
and if anyone's going to getinto the lore of Fallout I don't
(03:14):
want to ruin anything.
But again, there were severaldozen vaults and each one had
kind of like their ownexperiment.
I was getting those vibes here.
It's like all right.
So we know at atton is theutopia, but like all utopias,
it's a flawed utopia.
I'm sure there's going to besome some sinister underbelly,
(03:36):
but then we see at akron andthis is the war world.
This is clearly the opposite ofthe utopia and I'm like oh,
this each.
I feel like that's where thekids are going now.
In order to get back home,we're going to have to hit the
(03:56):
other four planets now and wehave four episodes left.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, and, and that's I the thing that struck me most
, other than the fact that now Ispent two, three weeks learning
how to say at Atten Now we gotAkron at Cuyahoga Falls at Kent.
For us Ohio people, you'll getthe joke.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It's interesting that the planets are nearly
identical.
The planets are nearlyidentical and I liked how, when
they go to Neil's house, or whatwould have been Neil's house on
his world, the first thing theynotice is that the tree has
grown bigger than they are.
It's like walking into areplica of your home and going
(04:39):
wait a minute, everything'sslightly different.
I agree there's going to be abit of duplication involved.
There might be like alternateexperimental communities, which
is this a commentary on suburbiain the 80s, where everybody was
making copycat neighborhoods inthe suburbs.
(05:01):
You know, know, cookie cutterdevelopments, Right, who knows?
But that's an interesting wayof you know, and I love how the
kids' first reaction was.
Did we travel in time Like inthe story you know?
Did we, you know, like BuckRogers in the original movie?
You know he is frozen and comesback to his homeland, but it's,
(05:21):
you know, years later, Right?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I love that.
The first reaction was like waslike, wait, maybe this is home
and we're just older, right.
So I, I wasn't really expectingI was, I was hoping that they
wouldn't do that, because I Ilove star trek, but I hate time
travel.
I I feel like, I feel like I Ishare that with all of the other
captains, except maybe Archer.
I think Archer was cool withtime travel.
I don't know, but I, I'm a I'ma Voyager fan.
Janeway hated time travel andshe hated all of that but the
(06:00):
temporal anomalies.
So I was really hoping thatthey weren't going to do that in
star wars and they didn't.
So I'm I'm glad for that, I'mglad that we got to see that.
Yeah, um.
So one thing that also poppedinto my head we, you know, on
our other show, star wars, safespace.
Uh, we talk about palpatine'sinfluence in everything,
(06:23):
especially now that we'retalking about the clone wars.
So this popped into my braintoo.
I don't want to ask you crash,okay, do you think I?
At this point?
We know that we are in the newrepublic mandalorian era.
We know that.
So papa palpy is no longer withus in person now.
Publicly, papa palpy is notwith us, but, as we find out,
(06:47):
he's, he's lurking, he's, he'sstill around somewhere, um, at
during his era when, whenpalpatine was, uh, was alive and
kicking, that he was aware ofthese jewels and if so, was he
(07:10):
involved in some way in theircreation?
Was he kind of like the?
Was he the architect, or was hemaybe seeking them out?
Or was he just a hundredpercent aware and or unbothered?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Honestly, I think this is what we and we've talked
.
We've talked about this on theother show, where I think if
he's not directly involved insomething, he has a hand in it.
He has other people doing hisdirty work with it.
I found it interesting that forat at being the hidden world,
the Atlantis, the Eldorado ofthese worlds, that At-Akron is
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out there and they trade withthe outside world.
Like the guy said, we justtrade our hides and stuff for
bullets.
Basically, I noticed a lot ofrepeated props.
You saw the helmets on some ofthose guys.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Mud Troopers.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
He had the goggles, he had the Mud Trooper goggles
and the helmet.
And the tank looked like a veryearly Trade Federation early
model tank, which kind of makesme believe this experiment.
Whatever this is, again, aswe've talked in past episodes of
this, I think this predates theprequel trilogy as far as their
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isolation, which would explainwhy they have older tech, and
now that there's one of theworlds is, shall we say, out of
the bubble.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, they're getting scraps, they're getting scraps
for trade because we got to seethe, the orbit.
We didn't get to see this withat, at, and, but we got to see
that, that, that barrier defensenetwork.
It's obviously non-operationalnow, but we, so we can assume
(09:02):
that there's something similararound at, at, and which creates
that barrier and keeps, keepsthe planet in the.
But we, so we can assume thatthere's something similar around
at Atten which creates thatbarrier and keeps, keeps the
planet in the bubble.
So, but and that but.
That just leads to morequestions Like how did?
How did they go offline?
How long have they been offline?
How long have they been knownto the rest of the galaxy?
You know it wasn't.
(09:22):
You know Smee didn't have his,didn't have at akron purged from
his memory.
So you know he was like.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I know it well, I've been here before argh whatever,
yeah, so so I so many questions,yeah, and, and the best part is
, I don't like.
I like the fact that they'renot answering everything right
away.
They're leaving some stuffunanswered for us to pull us
along and make us want to go.
(09:50):
Theories are fun for a whileand then when you give me a
little bit school, like, as Neilsaid, having a weapon built in,
does that mean that at Atten'sbuilding is also armed?
(10:15):
But maybe the locals don't knowbecause, yeah, they never kept
up.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
There's been no need for it.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
There's been no need for it.
Nobody knows how to access thatum, which could become
interesting later on.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I I feel with uh neil and the kids seeing another
version of their home right thatcan this is that version that
the adults try to keep very wellhidden on ad aton.
But I I agree with you.
I believe that the school on adaton more than likely has that
(10:47):
sort of giant orbital type ofcannon built into it, or they're
probably all over the planet asa secondary line of defense.
I'm thinking every singleplanet is set up identically.
So we got that from the kids.
The kids said, hey, that looksjust like the supervisor tower,
that looks like where my momworks.
This is the pool.
(11:08):
So everything is set up.
And the house that they went to, it was a very similar mural
wall.
You couldn't really make a lotof it.
I paused it like 27 times, butthey made sure we didn't get a
good look at it.
There was they.
They made sure we didn't get agood look at it.
(11:28):
Um, so there's it's.
It's going to be interesting tosee how these parallels are
going to play out.
You know, as we move forwardand I'm sure the kids are going
to start piecing it all togetherbecause they're going to go to
the next planet and they'regoing to see the similarities
there and they're going to seethe similarities there and
they're going to start puttingthe pieces together.
And I also found it interestingwhen the Onyx Cinder was coming
(11:55):
in, it switched over toautopilot and then Smee
disengaged yeah, he did theoverride on it.
So I'm curious, where was itgoing?
It knew where it wanted to go,because I don't think that it
was anything planetside thatgrabbed it.
(12:15):
It wasn't like a tractor beamor it wasn't anything planetside
, because otherwise Smeewouldn't have been able to
override it.
So he was able to override itlocally, which leads me to
believe that that ship was goingsomewhere.
Something was plugged into theautopilot to send it somewhere.
Maybe coordinates for at atten.
(12:37):
But of course, if all theseworlds, you know, mirror each
other, then it's possible thatwherever it landed, wherever it
wanted to, wherever the shipwanted to land on at akron, it
would potentially land in thatsame spot on at atten which
makes you wonder how it ended upin the woods.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
An event, and I'm assuming, bear it couldn't be on
that long, but you know how didit crash?
Land on one planet, if it waspre-programmed for a destination
on an identical world, wassomething overridden.
Did somebody pull the plug onthe autopilot track that it was
on and that's what caused it tocrash into the woods.
(13:19):
Because, yeah, who knows?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
We're going to find out, because the Onyx Cinder was
buried for a long time.
Yeah, for a while.
I mean it had trees growing ontop of it, so it's potentially
over 100 years.
That thing was buried um, whichwould get us somewhere between
(13:43):
the aclyte and the prequeltrilogy, if we're talking about
that old.
And then when we see theSupervisor's Tower on Ad Akron,
that was some thick layers ofdust on all of the coordinates.
I mean no one's been in therefor a while.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And all of it going up to poor Neil's snout.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
All of it going up, poor Neil's sn's snout, all of
it going up, poor neil's snout.
And and john said somethinginteresting.
He said the planet tastes likedust and ash, like my home world
.
So now, where are you from,john?
Who the hell are you?
How did you do the jedi stuff?
I need to know, you know it'skilling me.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I.
I think it was just sort ofself-taught.
He wanted that thing where,like I don't know how to sail,
I'll just concentrate, practice,meditate.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
But he had to get it from somewhere.
I mean, because people in thegalaxy, they know of Jedi, but
unless they do happen to have ahigher midichlorian count,
they'll pretend all day to usethe force and nothing's going to
happen.
You know, because, of course,what kid you know doesn't want
to be a jedi?
You know, they're the knights,you know, of course you know who
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doesn't want to be a knight andgo on adventures and things
like that.
So I I'm still leaning towardspadawan with him, the age it
could be.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
He could have been a youngling, even with just the
basic level of training, and weknow some people escaped.
We know some Jedi were helpingyounglings escape.
It's quite possible a low-levelkid escaped the temple.
How did Kanan Jarrus surviveafter he got know?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
got separated.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, you find, you find a way to make a living.
If it's piracy, oh well what if?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
what if jod is the little boy, who, the little
youngling who's like MasterSkywalker?
There's too many of them.
What are you going to do?
What if that Jod and he somehowescaped?
Because I don't think,obviously we don't ever see
Anakin slaughter children, butI'm pretty sure he probably, he
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probably force pushed that kidand maybe he tumbled over a
chair or something and and thenAnakin goes.
I want that to be it too muchaway.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You know, we know for in in Kenobi, yeah, he stabbed
Reiva in the belly and left her.
She played dead.
So it's not unheard of.
It's probably low-level,unlikely.
I'm going to do my K2SO for amoment.
Do you want to know the odds ofthat happening?
It's low.
It's very low.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
So unfortunately, as we've also learned with Star
Wars, the only person who diesfrom a gut shot is is qui-gon.
Apparently everybody else isgood.
Everybody else who gets stabbedin the gut is okay.
Everyone else pulls through,riva pulls through, um sabine
pulls through, it's okay.
But qui-gon, qui-gon just gaveup the ghost just with that one,
(17:04):
that one poke.
It wasn't even a good one, itwasn't even a good poke.
He's like, I mean, and thewound cauterizes.
He, he gave up the force ghoston purpose.
I think that's anyway.
That's a whole other show.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, we ain't got time for that one.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
We ain't got time.
We talked about the Imperialgear, we talked about the
autopilot.
We got to see the softer sideof Jod a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, I liked him in this episode.
We were going back and forthabout who is he.
I think this was more of a Jodbeing himself.
Maybe not Captain Silva, maybenot Crimson Jack.
As I said, I think a lot ofthat are personas that people in
his profession like Nobodygives their real name at the bar
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.
I think now this partnershiphe's proposing he knows he's
kind of trying to be on thelevel because he still wants to
find treasure.
If these kids are from the, youknow he's got it kind of trying
to be on the level because hewants.
You know he still wants to findtreasure.
You know, if these kids arefrom the, you know the mythical
planet of that and it's likeokay, look, I got a fairly
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decent thing going here.
Um, and I think we're startingto see a little bit more of his
generous side, his compassionateside, his friendlier side, than
when he was was a piratecaptain, you know, raiding ships
for a living right, but what isit?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
is it and that's what I wanted to ask too is it a
soft side, is it the soft sideof of jodna nawood, or is he
just playing the game to wintheir trust?
He's like, oh, I, I need, Ineed the kids come with me.
Oh, hugs, let's hug everybody,but he's still a murdering
bastard.
I mean, he, he's a maybe, maybenot by his, although he was.
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He was straight up trying tosauce kim, he, he was.
He was trying to take Kim out.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Was he, you know, I mean he shot the computer.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, I mean he was firing at her and he sent our
Republic captain out the airlockin the first episode.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
When he was a professional pirate.
I'm sure he's done some badthings.
Han Solo has done some badthings.
I'm sure he's done some badthings.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Han.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Solo has done some bad things, I'm sure, before he
met Luke and Ben.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Oh, Han is a murdering bastard as well.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, but I think, like I said, is it 100% sincere?
Maybe, maybe not, we'll findout, but it was interesting to
see him actually taking anactive role.
But you know he's honoring thepartnership because it benefits
him exactly and you know thekids get.
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You know, if the kids get killedon this planet, you know,
because they stumbled into thewrong camp, he gets nothing.
I love that moment when he getscaptured and he's, you know,
he's like, oh, just shoot me.
Like there comes a point whereyou're just like, oh, the hell
with it.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
But again, like we talked about before, he's you
can't.
You can't help but see theparallels between him and Jack
Sparrow.
You know he's once againlooking for the opportune moment
.
He had he had been, he had beenin that cell on what is it?
Borgo?
Is that the name of the yeah,the pirate asteroid?
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He was in that cell for a verylong time.
I mean, judging off of themanner of his clothing, he'd
been in there for a while.
So he, he, he can wait.
He knows how to be patient, heknows, knows how to bide his
time, he knows what he needs todo, um, in order to survive.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
He's waiting for the opportune moment I mean, he was
going through the kids stuff andhe found the money and he kept
a little of it and, yes, he usedit to help them out of a jam
that was nasty, by the way.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, that was nasty because that was in whim sock
and he pulled it out and he bitthat credit.
That was in whim sock, that wasnot a, that was not a money bag
, that was not a coin purse,that wasn't a pouch, that was
whims, little motherfuckingsweaty sock.
And they have not bathed onduring this entire adventure
that we're aware of that being.
Maybe there's a, there's arefresher on you know on.
(21:32):
I would imagine there'ssomewhere where they can
evacuate, somewhere on this, butI'm I don't think they're
washing their clothes.
Yeah, I was gonna say nobody'sdoing laundry, that's for no
one's doing laundry.
No one in star wars ever doeslaundry, like everyone always.
That's why we love theweathering portion of when we
put our kids together, becauseno one does does laundry, nobody
cleans their shit.
(21:52):
Everything's always dirty andfilthy and that's part of the
reason.
But he, he took that sock moneyinto his mouth and he nibbled
on it to make sure it was realand that had that had sweaty boy
sweat on it and that's justnasty.
You're a nasty, nasty fellowJod and I can't get past that.
(22:13):
I can't get past that.
So, speaking of the children,we get to see the kids really
starting to come into their own,like they're starting to really
discover who they are.
They're starting to reallydiscover who they are and, you
know, we get to see, we get tosee neil, you know, with uh,
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what's, what's her name?
uh, hot, uh, hannah, hannah, Ithink um you know the uh, the,
uh, the, the, the, the frenchrevolutionary who parkours
everywhere for some reason.
I mean, she doesn't need to,but she can, can.
So I guess, why not?
So that was nice.
That was nice.
He got a little smooch, had alittle tender moment, but we
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really got to see his level ofmaturity too.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That was a cat butt everywhere.
Yeah, on a sighting, yeah.
And fun fact apparently Neil'sa lover, not a fighter.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Let's give the boy some street cred.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, well done, sir.
Well done indeed.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
He knows what's going on, and that was a great moral
I mean, joking aside, hismindset about how fighting is
stupid and you should make apeace is stupid and we should,
you should, you know, make, makeit, make a piece.
And also great moral to slipinto this story for kids.
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Well, what you know, like yousaid, star wars is a kid's
morality tale at its heart.
That was a great lesson tosqueeze into the middle of this
kind of dark a time story.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, and it was nice to see them all
really starting to solidifyindividually.
You know, we get to see Neil,he's becoming that moral compass
.
He knows right from wrong anddespite the fact that he does
(24:05):
get scared, scared, he's clearlynot a coward and I love how
they they do that when they're.
When that asshole stricks,general stricks, was like, yeah,
send the q, guys go in first.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, you know, neil we honor our children, yeah that
guy's a douche, children.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, that guy's a douche, but so they're going out
there.
Neil actually takes point.
He just is walking, he, and headmits to being terrified but he
does it anyway and that's truecourage, and I love that they're
showing that, because you canstill be scared and still be
brave and I love that theypointed that out.
I love they pointed that out.
You know we see the, the burdenof leadership um really
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weighing on fern.
So she's she's really startingto solidify and come into her
own there were a few.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, there was a great moment where you saw, you
know, for as tough as she acts,even even in the first episode
with that uh, speeder bike, the,the, the bully, the racing kid
you know she puts on a toughface in public but after a while
you could tell like this isstarting this way on her and
even though she's you know, I'mcaptain fern it's like you're
(25:22):
also a kid and you're lost andyou're scared and it's okay to
be.
I like her exchange with himabout you know.
You know it's like I wouldn'thave gotten us this far.
You know, for the kid whodreams of adventure has to kind
of admit like I'm the sidekick,I get it he gets it.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, and and it was nice to see fern you, fern, take
on that vulnerability Again.
That sends a message to kidswatching this that you can be a
leader and still be vulnerableat the same time.
I love it.
That was a masterstroke.
And then we have Wim, who isnow after this episode.
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He is my favorite characterBecause I feel like whim
represents every single starwars fan when they were a kid.
He is.
He gets scared for a second,like it's like a jump scare sort
of thing, and then he iscompletely unbothered by what's
going on around him, this to him, this.
(26:26):
He's having fun, I mean he's.
He has his pretend lightsaber.
He picks up a pipe.
You're on this unknown world,potentially trapped, lost in
space, you don't know where togo, and you pick up a pipe and
pretend that it's a lightsaberand you're playing and, like
everyone else is like so serious, and whim is just having the
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fucking time of his life and Wimis.
I feel like he is thequintessential inner child of
every Star Wars fan and they'vejust cast that Like they reached
into my past and pulled myinner child out of me and put it
on the screen and I absolutelylove Wim for that.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
There have been some great interviews with some of
the directors, mostly the adultsbehind the scenes, but the kids
, the press tour stuff isstarting to come out.
You don't necessarily want tohire a kid actor to tell them to
play a part.
You sort of build a part aroundtheir personality.
(27:34):
I think they asked the girlplaying Fern who her favorite
Star Wars character is and shesaid Han Solo, and you can see
that in the way they've writtenher character, the scruffy,
rebellious leader, captain type,I'm sure it was the same.
I think he said Luke Skywalkerwas his and you can see that in
(27:54):
the way he picks up the stickwhen he gets in the turrets and
they're shooting at the X-Winghe's having fun they were not
conserving blaster bolts by anymeans no, he's just having the
best time like he is.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
He's in his element, as dangerous as it is like.
Even when they were walking,when they were put on point and
they were walking down, neil outof all of them, I would say
that he was the bravest soulamong them, but only in that
whim just didn't give a shit.
Like he, he doesn't care, so hedoesn't care enough to be
(28:37):
afraid because it's just funhe's.
He's almost died I don't knowhow many times, and it he's just
he's fucking having fun, man,and I just I love that he's
written that way and I love thatthat he's playing that part so
brilliantly to express that theyarrived at at akron excuse me,
(29:02):
and you know they're lookingdown they're like, oh, look,
there's and, and you know he'shis first reaction was the slump
in the chair, like oh, it'sover.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
You know it's like when you go go on the first,
your first ride at cedar point,you go on the millennium force,
you know you go up the big hilland down and around and then, as
you're pulling into the station, you're like it's over well,
look at like when they, whenthey landed on on that moon in
the last episode to go see kim,he was.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
He was riding out on the the loading claw and John
was like what are you doing?
He's like I'm playing, you'reon an alien moon with magical
atmosphere and gravity, butyou're on an alien moon for the
first time.
You're lost in space again andyou just want to ride the
(29:48):
loading claw Because, why not?
It's there.
Yeah, wim is my spirit animal.
He is the inner child of everyStar Wars fan.
I agree, and I just absolutelylove it.
General Strix, speaking of thatdouchebag, clearly he knows
(30:11):
about Ad Atin, because, did yousee, when they asked him, he was
like no, we don't know anythingabout Ad Atin.
No, not a bunch of time.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
All we know is our patrols and our enemies, and
what flag.
This is all there is.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
We trade for weapons and hide.
That's what we do.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I'd be shocked if the daughter knows about the tower
and that it we trade for weaponsand hide that's what we do.
I'd be shocked if you know thedaughter knows about the tower
and that it's somethingimportant, but you're telling me
that none of the adults haveever gone out there.
None of the adults have everlooked around.
You know nobody ever thought touse that place as a base of
operations and you know nobody'sexplored that part of the city.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Right.
So I'm thinking, if all of this, the initial hunt for Ad Atten,
and with Smee having been on AdAkron, I'm thinking that again
probably well over 100 years ago, if not 100 years, because Star
(31:11):
Wars likes to do things in100-year increments sometimes.
So I'm guessing that the eventsthat took place in the
Supervisor's Tower at that timehas become the stuff of legend
now.
So they don't like, you know,they don't like.
Whoever was alive at that timeis probably not alive anymore or
(31:36):
they're very, very, very oldand these stories have been
handed down orally for fordecades.
So they don't go to thesupervisor's tower anymore.
But you know, at the time itwas probably known.
This pirate crew attacked, gotthe information they needed
bugged out, and I mean it wasprobably a catastrophe.
(31:58):
But Smee said that they snuckpast the warriors, so apparently
that war had been going on eventhen.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, and the pirates , you know, knowing that the you
know, smee and his previousowners had been to this world.
Well, you know, while there wasstill fresh knowledge of the
fact that they were part of alarger system of planets, you
know they've tracked the legenddown, kind of where we are now
(32:29):
with the kids Right.
Track the legend down kind ofwhere we are now with the kids
right.
Other people have beensearching for this place and and
got to step, you know, at akronstage, you know, like we were
saying earlier, you know, ifthis is a palpatine had any
knowledge of this, how much youknow?
Does the empire you know?
Does the outside world knowabout these planets?
(32:49):
Pirates and other people havealready kind of stayed the claim
on certain worlds.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
So I again so many, so many questions, so many
questions and no real answers,like we got like a few little
pieces but still no concreteanswers.
So I don't know.
It's been a fun ride so far.
This was not my favoriteepisode to be, to be fair, it
(33:19):
was okay.
It was a good episode, it wasdecent, it had necessary
information and it there's,there's build up.
Um, not my favorite episode,but uh, it was.
It was still.
It was still fun.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
So what do you think about SM33's dark side?
I was very.
The thing that drew me in aboutthis episode is how quickly he
turned dark.
It's cute to have an old,clunky droid following you
around and taking orders from akid, but as soon as these are,
(33:54):
oh, I've been here and Fern doesthe droid command trick to kind
of circumvent a memory lock.
It got me thinking back to thefirst episode, and in this
episode, when he puts Jod upagainst the wall and lifts him
(34:15):
up, he expands to raise him up.
Immediately.
Thought about those skeletonswe find and the one with the
dagger through its chest off theground.
He was lifted up and thenyoinked and I'm sitting there
going.
Did SM-33 kill them?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Because when we first saw the dead bodies we thought
maybe the crew fought amongstthemselves and that's why they
crashed, but maybe 33 have doneit that's a great theory because
he he himself said the captaintold me if anyone starts poking
(34:52):
around I'm supposed to rip themapart, limb from limb, right,
but maybe that that commandoverride didn't exclude the
captain.
So once they got to at atton,smee's prerogative was, you know
, his order, no one's pokingaround.
(35:13):
So that means you, captain, ripyeah that, that, that quick.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
That was like the juicy part of this episode for
me, not just in the way how darkit got and how you know, for a
kid's adventure, it's like, oh,this is when things start
getting scary kind of moment.
But for you know, sm-33.
All of a sudden I'm like, didhe off the crew, or the what was
left of the crew?
And you know, that's where thebodies came from on the ship.
You know how that ship crashed.
(35:39):
We, we don't know yet, but I'm,you know, yeah, your captain.
You get to el dorado and all ofa sudden your droid decides oh
hey, stab, you know, ripeverything.
You know he might order 66 hisown crew.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
That's a really interesting theory.
I didn't think about that.
I like that.
So Smee sauced the captain andwhoever else was in there
probably the first mate, I wouldimagine somebody else, I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah.
Good soldiers follow orders,good soldiers follow orders good
soldiers follow orders.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
We've learned that from dave as well.
So, yikes, all right.
So predictions for next week.
That's going to be.
Oh, I should note too that weare going to be we'll be taking
two weeks off for the holidays,so we will return.
Um, our next episode will beout on january 8th.
(36:37):
Well, no, it'll be out onjanuary 9th, because we record
on the 8th and we'll be out so.
So that's going to be episodefive and six and seven that
we're going to cover in our next, our next, podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
So predictions for episode five, six and seven I
think we're gonna see more ofbrutus and the pirates either
trailing the kids and john youknow they didn't just let that
ship go I, I, you know they,they, they want John back.
I think they, you know, or atthe very least they want to get
(37:14):
them for breaking out of.
You know, I think we're goingto start seeing the baddies show
up again, and now they're goingto be chasing the kids.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, yep, that's a good call, I agree.
I agree.
I think that somewhere betweensomewhere in five, six and seven
, we're going to get a cameo.
I don't know exactly who it'sgoing to be.
(37:46):
Obviously I hope it's Hondo.
I think that there's there'swhispers, there's rumors going
around that we may see cara duneagain.
She, you know, she might, maybe coming out of exile.
Perhaps, I don't know, there'sagain whispers and rumors.
Who knows that's true or not?
Um, if it's true, this couldpotentially be a vehicle for her
(38:09):
to make her return.
The kids are in trouble.
Who better to save them thanthis badass republic drop
trooper to come in and save theday?
Or we're going to get grogu andneil together in the same scene
and the entire internet isgoing to implode.
Everyone and it's going tooverload it's going to be a
(38:31):
cuteness, singularity, and it'sgoing to create a black hole
that sucks the world andeverything around it inside, and
then we're all going to die,but the last things we see are
neil holding grogo and thenthat's, and showing him the
circus hologram from the holidayspecial yeah, oh, my god, crash
.
See now that just that got evenworse.
(38:52):
Okay, all right.
So, uh, that's gonna do it forus this week.
Thank you for joining us again.
We are gonna be taking the nexttwo weeks off for the holidays,
so please, please, please, uh,have a very happy and safe
holiday.
Whatever you celebrate, please,you know, do it as responsibly
as possible.
That doesn't mean don't get inany trouble.
(39:12):
Please, by all means, do getinto trouble.
Just don't get hurt and don'tget caught.
Maybe that needs to be our newoutro catchphrase for this,
since we are scoundrelsourselves and we're talking
about pirates.
Don't get hurt, don't getcaught.
Sounds about right, all right.
(39:33):
So until next time, look for usagain on the 8th, and also new
episodes of our main podcast,star wars, safe space, are going
to be debuting on January 14th,so we'll record on the 10th and
(39:55):
drop on the 14th.
So look forward to that, andover the holiday, catch up on
our old episodes, stuff youhaven't listened to yet.
So tell your friends, tell yourenemies, depending on how much
you love or hate either.
And sometime in that time frameI'm going to fix my camera
because it's been bugging out onme this this entire time.
(40:16):
Anyway, all right, crash.
Thank you for joining us.
Um great holiday as well.
Same to you guys.
Don't get hurt, don't getcaught.
We'll see you next time, thankyou.
a hey welcome to Skeleton Crew Review.
I'm Tommy D and pilot of theinfamous Parma Flyer.
It's Crash, How's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Great S-foil's locked and ready to roll, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
There you go.
I like to hear that.
All right, so of course,cameras already being wonky.
So Skeleton Crew, season 1,episode 4.
All right, so, of course,cameras already being wonky.
So skeleton crew, season one,episode four crash.
I have, I have questions, Ihave theories.
There's so much like there's somuch, and I I don't even know
where to start.
I just I'm just staring downthe barrel of this, this huge
(01:02):
list of of things here in frontof me, and I, uh, I don't know
where to start.
I guess we'll start at thebeginning, huh yeah, might as
well.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
All right, let's just throw the you know the star
wars goonies thing out thewindow.
Like we're going places withthis show, I think besides just
a remake of an 80s movie, youknow, there's some depth to this
show now one thing now.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Some people may or may not get this, but so we
learned about.
Last episode kim told us aboutwhat was it?
The jewels, the jewels of therepublic planet, I think that's
what it was.
So these six planets that, forwhatever reason, were hidden.
We don't, we haven't discoveredthat yet and I'm looking
(01:48):
forward to finding out why.
Um, so we found out about thosethings and after seeing at
akron this week, the thing thatinstantly popped into my brain
was vault tech.
I had mentioned that before howstuff was feeling a little
vault techie.
So if you, if you're familiarwith fallout um, for those of
(02:10):
you that are watching orlistening, if any of you are
familiar with fallout um, youget it.
If you're not, um, you know,briefly, the whole premise of
the fallout games and now the tvseries.
Post-apocalyptic wasteland bombsdropped, people went into these
(02:31):
vaults to uh, escape the youknow, apocalyptic nuclear
hellfire, only to re-emerge insome cases hundreds of years
later.
But the company that put thesetogether vault tech.
It's theorized that theyactually engineered the war in
order to sell space in the vault.
But then also there were dozensof vaults.
(02:54):
Each vault had a separateexperiment going on inside of it
.
So some, some vaults.
I think there was like onevault where it was just nothing,
nothing was happening.
It was allowed to just kind ofgo on its own.
But then others had veryspecific things going on in them
and if anyone's going to getinto the lore of Fallout I don't
(03:14):
want to ruin anything.
But again, there were severaldozen vaults and each one had
kind of like their ownexperiment.
I was getting those vibes here.
It's like all right.
So we know at atton is theutopia, but like all utopias,
it's a flawed utopia.
I'm sure there's going to besome some sinister underbelly,
(03:36):
but then we see at akron andthis is the war world.
This is clearly the opposite ofthe utopia and I'm like oh,
this each.
I feel like that's where thekids are going now.
In order to get back home,we're going to have to hit the
(03:56):
other four planets now and wehave four episodes left.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, and, and that's I the thing that struck me most
, other than the fact that now Ispent two, three weeks learning
how to say at Atten Now we gotAkron at Cuyahoga Falls at Kent.
For us Ohio people, you'll getthe joke.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It's interesting that the planets are nearly
identical.
The planets are nearlyidentical and I liked how, when
they go to Neil's house, or whatwould have been Neil's house on
his world, the first thing theynotice is that the tree has
grown bigger than they are.
It's like walking into areplica of your home and going
(04:39):
wait a minute, everything'sslightly different.
I agree there's going to be abit of duplication involved.
There might be like alternateexperimental communities, which
is this a commentary on suburbiain the 80s, where everybody was
making copycat neighborhoods inthe suburbs.
(05:01):
You know, know, cookie cutterdevelopments, Right, who knows?
But that's an interesting wayof you know, and I love how the
kids' first reaction was.
Did we travel in time Like inthe story you know?
Did we, you know, like BuckRogers in the original movie?
You know he is frozen and comesback to his homeland, but it's,
(05:21):
you know, years later, Right?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I love that.
The first reaction was like waslike, wait, maybe this is home
and we're just older, right.
So I, I wasn't really expectingI was, I was hoping that they
wouldn't do that, because I Ilove star trek, but I hate time
travel.
I I feel like, I feel like I Ishare that with all of the other
captains, except maybe Archer.
I think Archer was cool withtime travel.
I don't know, but I, I'm a I'ma Voyager fan.
Janeway hated time travel andshe hated all of that but the
(06:00):
temporal anomalies.
So I was really hoping thatthey weren't going to do that in
star wars and they didn't.
So I'm I'm glad for that, I'mglad that we got to see that.
Yeah, um.
So one thing that also poppedinto my head we, you know, on
our other show, star wars, safespace.
Uh, we talk about palpatine'sinfluence in everything,
(06:23):
especially now that we'retalking about the clone wars.
So this popped into my braintoo.
I don't want to ask you crash,okay, do you think I?
At this point?
We know that we are in the newrepublic mandalorian era.
We know that.
So papa palpy is no longer withus in person now.
Publicly, papa palpy is notwith us, but, as we find out,
(06:47):
he's, he's lurking, he's, he'sstill around somewhere, um, at
during his era when, whenpalpatine was, uh, was alive and
kicking, that he was aware ofthese jewels and if so, was he
(07:10):
involved in some way in theircreation?
Was he kind of like the?
Was he the architect, or was hemaybe seeking them out?
Or was he just a hundredpercent aware and or unbothered?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Honestly, I think this is what we and we've talked
.
We've talked about this on theother show, where I think if
he's not directly involved insomething, he has a hand in it.
He has other people doing hisdirty work with it.
I found it interesting that forat at being the hidden world,
the Atlantis, the Eldorado ofthese worlds, that At-Akron is
(07:54):
out there and they trade withthe outside world.
Like the guy said, we justtrade our hides and stuff for
bullets.
Basically, I noticed a lot ofrepeated props.
You saw the helmets on some ofthose guys.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Mud Troopers.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
He had the goggles, he had the Mud Trooper goggles
and the helmet.
And the tank looked like a veryearly Trade Federation early
model tank, which kind of makesme believe this experiment.
Whatever this is, again, aswe've talked in past episodes of
this, I think this predates theprequel trilogy as far as their
(08:35):
isolation, which would explainwhy they have older tech, and
now that there's one of theworlds is, shall we say, out of
the bubble.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, they're getting scraps, they're getting scraps
for trade because we got to seethe, the orbit.
We didn't get to see this withat, at, and, but we got to see
that, that, that barrier defensenetwork.
It's obviously non-operationalnow, but we, so we can assume
(09:02):
that there's something similararound at, at, and which creates
that barrier and keeps, keepsthe planet in the.
But we, so we can assume thatthere's something similar around
at Atten which creates thatbarrier and keeps, keeps the
planet in the bubble.
So, but and that but.
That just leads to morequestions Like how did?
How did they go offline?
How long have they been offline?
How long have they been knownto the rest of the galaxy?
You know it wasn't.
(09:22):
You know Smee didn't have his,didn't have at akron purged from
his memory.
So you know he was like.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I know it well, I've been here before argh whatever,
yeah, so so I so many questions,yeah, and, and the best part is
, I don't like.
I like the fact that they'renot answering everything right
away.
They're leaving some stuffunanswered for us to pull us
along and make us want to go.
(09:50):
Theories are fun for a whileand then when you give me a
little bit school, like, as Neilsaid, having a weapon built in,
does that mean that at Atten'sbuilding is also armed?
(10:15):
But maybe the locals don't knowbecause, yeah, they never kept
up.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
There's been no need for it.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
There's been no need for it.
Nobody knows how to access thatum, which could become
interesting later on.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I I feel with uh neil and the kids seeing another
version of their home right thatcan this is that version that
the adults try to keep very wellhidden on ad aton.
But I I agree with you.
I believe that the school on adaton more than likely has that
(10:47):
sort of giant orbital type ofcannon built into it, or they're
probably all over the planet asa secondary line of defense.
I'm thinking every singleplanet is set up identically.
So we got that from the kids.
The kids said, hey, that looksjust like the supervisor tower,
that looks like where my momworks.
This is the pool.
(11:08):
So everything is set up.
And the house that they went to, it was a very similar mural
wall.
You couldn't really make a lotof it.
I paused it like 27 times, butthey made sure we didn't get a
good look at it.
There was they.
They made sure we didn't get agood look at it.
(11:28):
Um, so there's it's.
It's going to be interesting tosee how these parallels are
going to play out.
You know, as we move forwardand I'm sure the kids are going
to start piecing it all togetherbecause they're going to go to
the next planet and they'regoing to see the similarities
there and they're going to seethe similarities there and
they're going to start puttingthe pieces together.
And I also found it interestingwhen the Onyx Cinder was coming
(11:55):
in, it switched over toautopilot and then Smee
disengaged yeah, he did theoverride on it.
So I'm curious, where was itgoing?
It knew where it wanted to go,because I don't think that it
was anything planetside thatgrabbed it.
(12:15):
It wasn't like a tractor beamor it wasn't anything planetside
, because otherwise Smeewouldn't have been able to
override it.
So he was able to override itlocally, which leads me to
believe that that ship was goingsomewhere.
Something was plugged into theautopilot to send it somewhere.
Maybe coordinates for at atten.
(12:37):
But of course, if all theseworlds, you know, mirror each
other, then it's possible thatwherever it landed, wherever it
wanted to, wherever the shipwanted to land on at akron, it
would potentially land in thatsame spot on at atten which
makes you wonder how it ended upin the woods.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
An event, and I'm assuming, bear it couldn't be on
that long, but you know how didit crash?
Land on one planet, if it waspre-programmed for a destination
on an identical world, wassomething overridden.
Did somebody pull the plug onthe autopilot track that it was
on and that's what caused it tocrash into the woods.
(13:19):
Because, yeah, who knows?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
We're going to find out, because the Onyx Cinder was
buried for a long time.
Yeah, for a while.
I mean it had trees growing ontop of it, so it's potentially
over 100 years.
That thing was buried um, whichwould get us somewhere between
(13:43):
the aclyte and the prequeltrilogy, if we're talking about
that old.
And then when we see theSupervisor's Tower on Ad Akron,
that was some thick layers ofdust on all of the coordinates.
I mean no one's been in therefor a while.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And all of it going up to poor Neil's snout.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
All of it going up, poor Neil's sn's snout, all of
it going up, poor neil's snout.
And and john said somethinginteresting.
He said the planet tastes likedust and ash, like my home world
.
So now, where are you from,john?
Who the hell are you?
How did you do the jedi stuff?
I need to know, you know it'skilling me.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I.
I think it was just sort ofself-taught.
He wanted that thing where,like I don't know how to sail,
I'll just concentrate, practice,meditate.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
But he had to get it from somewhere.
I mean, because people in thegalaxy, they know of Jedi, but
unless they do happen to have ahigher midichlorian count,
they'll pretend all day to usethe force and nothing's going to
happen.
You know, because, of course,what kid you know doesn't want
to be a jedi?
You know, they're the knights,you know, of course you know who
(14:53):
doesn't want to be a knight andgo on adventures and things
like that.
So I I'm still leaning towardspadawan with him, the age it
could be.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
He could have been a youngling, even with just the
basic level of training, and weknow some people escaped.
We know some Jedi were helpingyounglings escape.
It's quite possible a low-levelkid escaped the temple.
How did Kanan Jarrus surviveafter he got know?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
got separated.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, you find, you find a way to make a living.
If it's piracy, oh well what if?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
what if jod is the little boy, who, the little
youngling who's like MasterSkywalker?
There's too many of them.
What are you going to do?
What if that Jod and he somehowescaped?
Because I don't think,obviously we don't ever see
Anakin slaughter children, butI'm pretty sure he probably, he
(16:07):
probably force pushed that kidand maybe he tumbled over a
chair or something and and thenAnakin goes.
I want that to be it too muchaway.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You know, we know for in in Kenobi, yeah, he stabbed
Reiva in the belly and left her.
She played dead.
So it's not unheard of.
It's probably low-level,unlikely.
I'm going to do my K2SO for amoment.
Do you want to know the odds ofthat happening?
It's low.
It's very low.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
So unfortunately, as we've also learned with Star
Wars, the only person who diesfrom a gut shot is is qui-gon.
Apparently everybody else isgood.
Everybody else who gets stabbedin the gut is okay.
Everyone else pulls through,riva pulls through, um sabine
pulls through, it's okay.
But qui-gon, qui-gon just gaveup the ghost just with that one,
(17:04):
that one poke.
It wasn't even a good one, itwasn't even a good poke.
He's like, I mean, and thewound cauterizes.
He, he gave up the force ghoston purpose.
I think that's anyway.
That's a whole other show.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, we ain't got time for that one.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
We ain't got time.
We talked about the Imperialgear, we talked about the
autopilot.
We got to see the softer sideof Jod a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, I liked him in this episode.
We were going back and forthabout who is he.
I think this was more of a Jodbeing himself.
Maybe not Captain Silva, maybenot Crimson Jack.
As I said, I think a lot ofthat are personas that people in
his profession like Nobodygives their real name at the bar
(17:53):
.
I think now this partnershiphe's proposing he knows he's
kind of trying to be on thelevel because he still wants to
find treasure.
If these kids are from the, youknow he's got it kind of trying
to be on the level because hewants.
You know he still wants to findtreasure.
You know, if these kids arefrom the, you know the mythical
planet of that and it's likeokay, look, I got a fairly
(18:16):
decent thing going here.
Um, and I think we're startingto see a little bit more of his
generous side, his compassionateside, his friendlier side, than
when he was was a piratecaptain, you know, raiding ships
for a living right, but what isit?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
is it and that's what I wanted to ask too is it a
soft side, is it the soft sideof of jodna nawood, or is he
just playing the game to wintheir trust?
He's like, oh, I, I need, Ineed the kids come with me.
Oh, hugs, let's hug everybody,but he's still a murdering
bastard.
I mean, he, he's a maybe, maybenot by his, although he was.
(18:57):
He was straight up trying tosauce kim, he, he was.
He was trying to take Kim out.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Was he, you know, I mean he shot the computer.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, I mean he was firing at her and he sent our
Republic captain out the airlockin the first episode.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
When he was a professional pirate.
I'm sure he's done some badthings.
Han Solo has done some badthings.
I'm sure he's done some badthings.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Han.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Solo has done some bad things, I'm sure, before he
met Luke and Ben.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Oh, Han is a murdering bastard as well.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, but I think, like I said, is it 100% sincere?
Maybe, maybe not, we'll findout, but it was interesting to
see him actually taking anactive role.
But you know he's honoring thepartnership because it benefits
him exactly and you know thekids get.
(19:56):
You know, if the kids get killedon this planet, you know,
because they stumbled into thewrong camp, he gets nothing.
I love that moment when he getscaptured and he's, you know,
he's like, oh, just shoot me.
Like there comes a point whereyou're just like, oh, the hell
with it.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
But again, like we talked about before, he's you
can't.
You can't help but see theparallels between him and Jack
Sparrow.
You know he's once againlooking for the opportune moment
.
He had he had been, he had beenin that cell on what is it?
Borgo?
Is that the name of the yeah,the pirate asteroid?
(20:32):
He was in that cell for a verylong time.
I mean, judging off of themanner of his clothing, he'd
been in there for a while.
So he, he, he can wait.
He knows how to be patient, heknows, knows how to bide his
time, he knows what he needs todo, um, in order to survive.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
He's waiting for the opportune moment I mean, he was
going through the kids stuff andhe found the money and he kept
a little of it and, yes, he usedit to help them out of a jam
that was nasty, by the way.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, that was nasty because that was in whim sock
and he pulled it out and he bitthat credit.
That was in whim sock, that wasnot a, that was not a money bag
, that was not a coin purse,that wasn't a pouch, that was
whims, little motherfuckingsweaty sock.
And they have not bathed onduring this entire adventure
that we're aware of that being.
Maybe there's a, there's arefresher on you know on.
(21:32):
I would imagine there'ssomewhere where they can
evacuate, somewhere on this, butI'm I don't think they're
washing their clothes.
Yeah, I was gonna say nobody'sdoing laundry, that's for no
one's doing laundry.
No one in star wars ever doeslaundry, like everyone always.
That's why we love theweathering portion of when we
put our kids together, becauseno one does does laundry, nobody
cleans their shit.
(21:52):
Everything's always dirty andfilthy and that's part of the
reason.
But he, he took that sock moneyinto his mouth and he nibbled
on it to make sure it was realand that had that had sweaty boy
sweat on it and that's justnasty.
You're a nasty, nasty fellowJod and I can't get past that.
(22:13):
I can't get past that.
So, speaking of the children,we get to see the kids really
starting to come into their own,like they're starting to really
discover who they are.
They're starting to reallydiscover who they are and, you
know, we get to see, we get tosee neil, you know, with uh,
(22:33):
what's, what's her name?
uh, hot, uh, hannah, hannah, Ithink um you know the uh, the,
uh, the, the, the, the frenchrevolutionary who parkours
everywhere for some reason.
I mean, she doesn't need to,but she can, can.
So I guess, why not?
So that was nice.
That was nice.
He got a little smooch, had alittle tender moment, but we
(22:55):
really got to see his level ofmaturity too.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That was a cat butt everywhere.
Yeah, on a sighting, yeah.
And fun fact apparently Neil'sa lover, not a fighter.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Let's give the boy some street cred.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, well done, sir.
Well done indeed.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
He knows what's going on, and that was a great moral
I mean, joking aside, hismindset about how fighting is
stupid and you should make apeace is stupid and we should,
you should, you know, make, makeit, make a piece.
And also great moral to slipinto this story for kids.
(23:34):
Well, what you know, like yousaid, star wars is a kid's
morality tale at its heart.
That was a great lesson tosqueeze into the middle of this
kind of dark a time story.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, and it was nice to see them all
really starting to solidifyindividually.
You know, we get to see Neil,he's becoming that moral compass
.
He knows right from wrong anddespite the fact that he does
(24:05):
get scared, scared, he's clearlynot a coward and I love how
they they do that when they're.
When that asshole stricks,general stricks, was like, yeah,
send the q, guys go in first.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, you know, neil we honor our children, yeah that
guy's a douche, children.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, that guy's a douche, but so they're going out
there.
Neil actually takes point.
He just is walking, he, and headmits to being terrified but he
does it anyway and that's truecourage, and I love that they're
showing that, because you canstill be scared and still be
brave and I love that theypointed that out.
I love they pointed that out.
You know we see the, the burdenof leadership um really
(24:55):
weighing on fern.
So she's she's really startingto solidify and come into her
own there were a few.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, there was a great moment where you saw, you
know, for as tough as she acts,even even in the first episode
with that uh, speeder bike, the,the, the bully, the racing kid
you know she puts on a toughface in public but after a while
you could tell like this isstarting this way on her and
even though she's you know, I'mcaptain fern it's like you're
(25:22):
also a kid and you're lost andyou're scared and it's okay to
be.
I like her exchange with himabout you know.
You know it's like I wouldn'thave gotten us this far.
You know, for the kid whodreams of adventure has to kind
of admit like I'm the sidekick,I get it he gets it.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, and and it was nice to see fern you, fern, take
on that vulnerability Again.
That sends a message to kidswatching this that you can be a
leader and still be vulnerableat the same time.
I love it.
That was a masterstroke.
And then we have Wim, who isnow after this episode.
(26:04):
He is my favorite characterBecause I feel like whim
represents every single starwars fan when they were a kid.
He is.
He gets scared for a second,like it's like a jump scare sort
of thing, and then he iscompletely unbothered by what's
going on around him, this to him, this.
(26:26):
He's having fun, I mean he's.
He has his pretend lightsaber.
He picks up a pipe.
You're on this unknown world,potentially trapped, lost in
space, you don't know where togo, and you pick up a pipe and
pretend that it's a lightsaberand you're playing and, like
everyone else is like so serious, and whim is just having the
(26:49):
fucking time of his life and Wimis.
I feel like he is thequintessential inner child of
every Star Wars fan and they'vejust cast that Like they reached
into my past and pulled myinner child out of me and put it
on the screen and I absolutelylove Wim for that.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
There have been some great interviews with some of
the directors, mostly the adultsbehind the scenes, but the kids
, the press tour stuff isstarting to come out.
You don't necessarily want tohire a kid actor to tell them to
play a part.
You sort of build a part aroundtheir personality.
(27:34):
I think they asked the girlplaying Fern who her favorite
Star Wars character is and shesaid Han Solo, and you can see
that in the way they've writtenher character, the scruffy,
rebellious leader, captain type,I'm sure it was the same.
I think he said Luke Skywalkerwas his and you can see that in
(27:54):
the way he picks up the stickwhen he gets in the turrets and
they're shooting at the X-Winghe's having fun they were not
conserving blaster bolts by anymeans no, he's just having the
best time like he is.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
He's in his element, as dangerous as it is like.
Even when they were walking,when they were put on point and
they were walking down, neil outof all of them, I would say
that he was the bravest soulamong them, but only in that
whim just didn't give a shit.
Like he, he doesn't care, so hedoesn't care enough to be
(28:37):
afraid because it's just funhe's.
He's almost died I don't knowhow many times, and it he's just
he's fucking having fun, man,and I just I love that he's
written that way and I love thatthat he's playing that part so
brilliantly to express that theyarrived at at akron excuse me,
(29:02):
and you know they're lookingdown they're like, oh, look,
there's and, and you know he'shis first reaction was the slump
in the chair, like oh, it'sover.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
You know it's like when you go go on the first,
your first ride at cedar point,you go on the millennium force,
you know you go up the big hilland down and around and then, as
you're pulling into the station, you're like it's over well,
look at like when they, whenthey landed on on that moon in
the last episode to go see kim,he was.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
He was riding out on the the loading claw and John
was like what are you doing?
He's like I'm playing, you'reon an alien moon with magical
atmosphere and gravity, butyou're on an alien moon for the
first time.
You're lost in space again andyou just want to ride the
(29:48):
loading claw Because, why not?
It's there.
Yeah, wim is my spirit animal.
He is the inner child of everyStar Wars fan.
I agree, and I just absolutelylove it.
General Strix, speaking of thatdouchebag, clearly he knows
(30:11):
about Ad Atin, because, did yousee, when they asked him, he was
like no, we don't know anythingabout Ad Atin.
No, not a bunch of time.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
All we know is our patrols and our enemies, and
what flag.
This is all there is.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
We trade for weapons and hide.
That's what we do.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I'd be shocked if the daughter knows about the tower
and that it we trade for weaponsand hide that's what we do.
I'd be shocked if you know thedaughter knows about the tower
and that it's somethingimportant, but you're telling me
that none of the adults haveever gone out there.
None of the adults have everlooked around.
You know nobody ever thought touse that place as a base of
operations and you know nobody'sexplored that part of the city.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Right.
So I'm thinking, if all of this, the initial hunt for Ad Atten,
and with Smee having been on AdAkron, I'm thinking that again
probably well over 100 years ago, if not 100 years, because Star
(31:11):
Wars likes to do things in100-year increments sometimes.
So I'm guessing that the eventsthat took place in the
Supervisor's Tower at that timehas become the stuff of legend
now.
So they don't like, you know,they don't like.
Whoever was alive at that timeis probably not alive anymore or
(31:36):
they're very, very, very oldand these stories have been
handed down orally for fordecades.
So they don't go to thesupervisor's tower anymore.
But you know, at the time itwas probably known.
This pirate crew attacked, gotthe information they needed
bugged out, and I mean it wasprobably a catastrophe.
(31:58):
But Smee said that they snuckpast the warriors, so apparently
that war had been going on eventhen.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, and the pirates , you know, knowing that the you
know, smee and his previousowners had been to this world.
Well, you know, while there wasstill fresh knowledge of the
fact that they were part of alarger system of planets, you
know they've tracked the legenddown, kind of where we are now
(32:29):
with the kids Right.
Track the legend down kind ofwhere we are now with the kids
right.
Other people have beensearching for this place and and
got to step, you know, at akronstage, you know, like we were
saying earlier, you know, ifthis is a palpatine had any
knowledge of this, how much youknow?
Does the empire you know?
Does the outside world knowabout these planets?
(32:49):
Pirates and other people havealready kind of stayed the claim
on certain worlds.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
So I again so many, so many questions, so many
questions and no real answers,like we got like a few little
pieces but still no concreteanswers.
So I don't know.
It's been a fun ride so far.
This was not my favoriteepisode to be, to be fair, it
(33:19):
was okay.
It was a good episode, it wasdecent, it had necessary
information and it there's,there's build up.
Um, not my favorite episode,but uh, it was.
It was still.
It was still fun.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
So what do you think about SM33's dark side?
I was very.
The thing that drew me in aboutthis episode is how quickly he
turned dark.
It's cute to have an old,clunky droid following you
around and taking orders from akid, but as soon as these are,
(33:54):
oh, I've been here and Fern doesthe droid command trick to kind
of circumvent a memory lock.
It got me thinking back to thefirst episode, and in this
episode, when he puts Jod upagainst the wall and lifts him
(34:15):
up, he expands to raise him up.
Immediately.
Thought about those skeletonswe find and the one with the
dagger through its chest off theground.
He was lifted up and thenyoinked and I'm sitting there
going.
Did SM-33 kill them?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Because when we first saw the dead bodies we thought
maybe the crew fought amongstthemselves and that's why they
crashed, but maybe 33 have doneit that's a great theory because
he he himself said the captaintold me if anyone starts poking
(34:52):
around I'm supposed to rip themapart, limb from limb, right,
but maybe that that commandoverride didn't exclude the
captain.
So once they got to at atton,smee's prerogative was, you know
, his order, no one's pokingaround.
(35:13):
So that means you, captain, ripyeah that, that, that quick.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
That was like the juicy part of this episode for
me, not just in the way how darkit got and how you know, for a
kid's adventure, it's like, oh,this is when things start
getting scary kind of moment.
But for you know, sm-33.
All of a sudden I'm like, didhe off the crew, or the what was
left of the crew?
And you know, that's where thebodies came from on the ship.
You know how that ship crashed.
(35:39):
We, we don't know yet, but I'm,you know, yeah, your captain.
You get to el dorado and all ofa sudden your droid decides oh
hey, stab, you know, ripeverything.
You know he might order 66 hisown crew.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
That's a really interesting theory.
I didn't think about that.
I like that.
So Smee sauced the captain andwhoever else was in there
probably the first mate, I wouldimagine somebody else, I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah.
Good soldiers follow orders,good soldiers follow orders good
soldiers follow orders.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
We've learned that from dave as well.
So, yikes, all right.
So predictions for next week.
That's going to be.
Oh, I should note too that weare going to be we'll be taking
two weeks off for the holidays,so we will return.
Um, our next episode will beout on january 8th.
(36:37):
Well, no, it'll be out onjanuary 9th, because we record
on the 8th and we'll be out so.
So that's going to be episodefive and six and seven that
we're going to cover in our next, our next, podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
So predictions for episode five, six and seven I
think we're gonna see more ofbrutus and the pirates either
trailing the kids and john youknow they didn't just let that
ship go I, I, you know they,they, they want John back.
I think they, you know, or atthe very least they want to get
(37:14):
them for breaking out of.
You know, I think we're goingto start seeing the baddies show
up again, and now they're goingto be chasing the kids.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, yep, that's a good call, I agree.
I agree.
I think that somewhere betweensomewhere in five, six and seven
, we're going to get a cameo.
I don't know exactly who it'sgoing to be.
(37:46):
Obviously I hope it's Hondo.
I think that there's there'swhispers, there's rumors going
around that we may see cara duneagain.
She, you know, she might, maybe coming out of exile.
Perhaps, I don't know, there'sagain whispers and rumors.
Who knows that's true or not?
Um, if it's true, this couldpotentially be a vehicle for her
(38:09):
to make her return.
The kids are in trouble.
Who better to save them thanthis badass republic drop
trooper to come in and save theday?
Or we're going to get grogu andneil together in the same scene
and the entire internet isgoing to implode.
Everyone and it's going tooverload it's going to be a
(38:31):
cuteness, singularity, and it'sgoing to create a black hole
that sucks the world andeverything around it inside, and
then we're all going to die,but the last things we see are
neil holding grogo and thenthat's, and showing him the
circus hologram from the holidayspecial yeah, oh, my god, crash
.
See now that just that got evenworse.
(38:52):
Okay, all right.
So, uh, that's gonna do it forus this week.
Thank you for joining us again.
We are gonna be taking the nexttwo weeks off for the holidays,
so please, please, please, uh,have a very happy and safe
holiday.
Whatever you celebrate, please,you know, do it as responsibly
as possible.
That doesn't mean don't get inany trouble.
(39:12):
Please, by all means, do getinto trouble.
Just don't get hurt and don'tget caught.
Maybe that needs to be our newoutro catchphrase for this,
since we are scoundrelsourselves and we're talking
about pirates.
Don't get hurt, don't getcaught.
Sounds about right, all right.
(39:33):
So until next time, look for usagain on the 8th, and also new
episodes of our main podcast,star wars, safe space, are going
to be debuting on January 14th,so we'll record on the 10th and
(39:55):
drop on the 14th.
So look forward to that, andover the holiday, catch up on
our old episodes, stuff youhaven't listened to yet.
So tell your friends, tell yourenemies, depending on how much
you love or hate either.
And sometime in that time frameI'm going to fix my camera
because it's been bugging out onme this this entire time.
(40:16):
Anyway, all right, crash.
Thank you for joining us.
Um great holiday as well.
Same to you guys.
Don't get hurt, don't getcaught.
We'll see you next time, thankyou.
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