February 2, 2025 • 51 mins
In our latest episode, we dive into the intricate moral landscape of Skeleton Crew, focusing on character development, especially surrounding Jod and KB. We discuss friendship, betrayal, and the importance of representation in media, leaving listeners with speculation about the series' finale and its implications for the characters' futures.
• Dissecting Jod's character dynamics and moral ambiguity
• The emotional growth journey of the young protagonists
• The significance of KB's representation and empowerment
• Exploring the implications of inclusion within storytelling
• Predictions for the final episode and its potential impact
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
if you don't get them within the first five seconds,
they're gone, kind of like thispodcast.
We've already been around.
Hey, welcome to Skeleton CrewReview.
(00:36):
I am Tommy D and we are backfrom the holiday break.
Hopefully, everyone had a happyand safe holiday and, as we
said before the break, hopefully, uh, you engaged in some
shenanigans and maybe a littlebit of crime and didn't get
caught.
So be safe, don't get caught.
Those are, uh, that's the thephrase that pays.
So this week we are joined by tto the oni, also known as Jedi
(01:04):
Master, baloney, keeper of theHolocron.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
everybody, welcome back.
How was?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
your holiday?
Pretty good, pretty good.
I had a good time.
Didn't do anything too crazy,but didn't get caught for what I
did, so I'll take it as a win,that's what I like to hear and
pilot of the infamous parmaflyer is crash hi, everybody s
foil is locked and ready to go.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And for you ready to go, oh man hopefully that didn't
come out of your sock.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It did not, all right .
So for those of you joining usfor the first time on the show,
go back and listen or re-watchone of our other episodes you
had some feelings about I had.
I had some feelings about sockcredits and uh, and jod um
putting sock credits into hismouth, so, but he deserves all
(02:07):
that and more.
So we're going to be talkingabout that.
So, so, what we're going to bedoing, uh, this week because we
did take a couple of weeks off,we did miss a couple of episodes
uh, we are going to be talkingabout episodes uh, five, six and
seven, skeleton crew and uh,giving our thoughts and, uh, our
little review, what we thoughtabout the, uh, these episodes.
I think we can all agree jod isa dick.
(02:33):
I think let's just start there.
I mean that's.
I think that's as good a placeas any start, because these
three episodes really do show alot of him.
We're seeing more growth withthe kids, which was great.
Um, and well, I want to talkabout kb.
That was shocking, that washeart-wrenching some of it.
But let's talk about jod.
(02:54):
Let's talk about the piratecaptain.
Was it crimson jack?
Yeah, well, was it crimson?
No, the crimson jack, yeah.
So, let's, let's talk aboutthis slimo, shall we?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
oh, I, I think the like the nfl playoff prediction
bracket for jod's redemption arc.
Is it like 12?
It's over, like you bastard soall right.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
So here's, here's my question for you guys.
All right, I again, I thinkwe're all in agreement,
agreement that he is just anasshole.
I, I mean the, the guy, you,you think that he's a scruffy
nerf herder.
You know he's just a, you knowhe's a scoundrel.
He was giving off han solovibes a little bit.
So nothing, nothing we haven'tdealt with before, nothing
(03:44):
terrible, nothing we can'thandle.
But then he's putting knives tothe throats of children,
talking about carving theirparents up with lightsabers.
I mean, okay.
So here's my question.
Two-part question.
Two-part question for youquestion.
(04:07):
Two-part question.
Two-part question for you.
At what point in the seat inthe series so far did you kind
of fall in love with jod and atwhat point did you say, man,
fuck that.
Yeah crash.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Okay, uh fell in love with jod.
Oh gosh, it was pretty early onon the at akron or at kaihaga
falls or whatever the secondplanet, when he you know saved
the kids, you know worked a dealand you generally felt like
this partnership was.
You knew he was gonna screwthem over, but maybe in a happy
(04:45):
jack sparrow kind of way.
Yeah, even at the spa I waswhen he was like kind of yelling
at them to focus.
Yeah, he was, he's obsessedabout the money.
I understand that and, and thatwas part of me, that's like okay
, but you're gonna be likehonorable about it maybe.
Like okay, you're in.
Okay, you're a pirate but maybea decent guy.
(05:05):
And as soon as he challengesFern, I'm like you son of a
bitch.
And the only thing saving himfrom being a complete D-bag is
he could have killed heroutright.
He could have.
Just, you know, a little bit ofdark for a Disney show, but I'm
like he told her to her facejust yield and it's done.
(05:29):
I'm like okay, so he didn'tjust kill a kid, he ganked
Brutus without a second thought.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Oh, he sauced Brutus.
That was beautiful.
I mean he sauced him.
I mean that was just one to thedome.
Lights out for brutus.
That is a wrap, that is aseries wrap on brutus.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Ladies and gentlemen, and I even I was like he was
winning me back over with thatI'm hungry speech because
there's a lot of truth there.
You know, sure you know.
There's this thing where peoplethis trope that pirates all bad
guys are bad guys.
Some people are bad becausethey've got nothing else, like
(06:12):
that one Quarren he referenced.
You want to start a farm, yourown microbrewery or whatever for
Quarrens, you've got to rake insome money before you can do it
.
That's how people in thisgalaxy can compare desperation.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
They're you know they're doing credits.
Maybe you're doing the wrongthings for the right reason.
I mean, andor is a perfectexample.
Andor is a murderous bastard.
You know, cassian andor is amurdering bastard, but but it's,
I mean, you know, kind of forthe greater good.
But in this case with Jod, Idon't think we have a greater
(06:51):
good with this guy.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
He started, you know, challenging Fern was one thing.
When he starts, I even seesneaking on the ship, you know,
and finally having it like he'shad enough of the kids and
they're whining and all thatThreatening their family.
Having it like he's had enoughof the kids and they're whining
and all threatening their family, like if he had just brought
these kids home they probablywould have given him a freaking
reward, like yeah, he didn'thave enough credits to just go
off and live his best life, buthe wants it all.
(07:15):
That's it, and we'll talk thatscene in the.
In the vault that boy was doingthe scrooge mcduck money pit
swim.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
He was loving it I mean just just one of those
crates of old republic credits.
He's set for life.
He's set for life.
So.
So at what point were you donewith john, like, at what point
did you whatever, whateverfantasy you had about him?
At what point was it gone?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I think when he pulled the lightsaber on the
kids and threatened to carve uptheir families because like that
was so unnecessary, you had thein.
All you had to do is bring thekids home, drop them off safe.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
You'd be a hero and you just gotta go d-bag yeah,
they probably would have givenhim a boatload of credits too.
Boatload of credits, Alright,Tony.
What are you thinking?
Job moments, Good, the bad andthe ugly what do you?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
got.
I never fell in love with them.
I really didn't.
They made it the fact thatevery single time the kids were
introduced to another person,they said do not trust him.
Like it was to me very clear.
Yeah, he's like he's talking agood game, but he's going to
(08:37):
turn out to be the asshole.
And so I just like for me itwas the always keeping them at
arm's pace.
And so I just like, for me itwas the always keeping them at
arm's pace.
Now I will say, like, was therehope that you know he's going
to at least try to do right bythe kids to get them home?
Yeah, like that was definitelythere, but there was never a.
(09:01):
He's actually a good guy.
And then, as far as where itturned for me pretty much the
same exact time frame when hechallenged for captainship
there's a small part of you inthe back of my mind that's going
maybe there's just somethingthat he needs to be able to do
as captain that he needs thatposition for.
(09:21):
And that's why he's saying justyield, don't.
Maybe there's more to it.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
There's a reason like he has to play this role of
this bad guy, but I don't thinkthat's the case.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I think he's but then the moment when, when it's old,
when the challenge is over, andhe's like, yeah, lock them up
and like once it's very clearthat, yeah, that wasn't just a
play for whatever, it's a he'sdone like he's just no longer
cares about them.
Yeah, that's the point, it'sthe art.
(09:59):
Yeah, he's the bastard.
He's you know, he's going to bethe bad guy from here on out.
He is a bastard.
The thing that I don't get and Imight be jumping the gun a
little bit here is that okay, sohe could drop the kids off, he
could pretend to be theadversary and get away with his
(10:20):
plan to a degree, but the ideaof harving up the parents and
doing all this like you had aheart, like, granted, now you've
got a lightsaber, but you had ahard time dealing with smi yeah
, one-on-one.
You've got an entire planetfull, full of droids that are
(10:42):
capable of.
You've got an entire planetfull of droids that are capable
of basically Stunning them.
Yeah, that's Sorry, I lost theword from there yeah, just flat
out stunning them andincapacitating them.
He might be decent with alightsaber.
So far he hasn't shown me thathe has any particular skill with
it, just the obvious basics.
(11:03):
I don't think he can possiblywin this, so I'm very curious to
see how this next episode goes.
But like, yeah, I just I don'tthink he's really in a winnable
situation as close as he is tohis goal so let's, let's talk
about that for a minute.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Let's talk about um, where he is, and we're seeing a
couple more instances of himusing the quote unquote, force.
I'm still not completelyconvinced, but and he's handling
the lightsaber.
But my next question what do wethink and I'm I'm guessing
(11:42):
we'll probably find this out inthe final episode, which is,
which is coming up here in a fewdays but, um, do we think that
he is legitimately a forcewielder like is?
Was he a youngling?
Was he a padawan?
Did he just kind of fall intoit like broom kid?
(12:05):
I mean, like what are you guysthinking in terms of his force
crash?
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm still sticking by my theory that he's self-taught
for the most part.
You know, there's the jediorder were taken out in order 66
, the temple was shut down.
There's still force-sensitivepeople.
There's people that have theraw talent, maybe not the
training but, like he even toldthe kids, with enough meditation
(12:34):
there's enough lore of the Jediout there in the galaxy that if
you put your mind to it, maybeyou can levitate a few things.
Maybe he can, you know, do afew tricks that worked well for
a pirate.
But I don't think he's.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I wouldn't call him a trained force wielder, but I'd
say a raw talent well, but he,he did say something that, like
he knows, he knows jediterminology, he knows, he knows,
he knows Jedi terminology, heknows, he knows phrases, he
knows ideas, he knows concepts.
You know, he says your focusdetermines your, your reality,
(13:14):
you know.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I think we're chasing Easter eggs basically by God
line, Right so?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I mean.
So it almost seems like he didhave some sort of training or he
was exposed to it, or maybesomebody else that he dealt with
was trained or something.
I mean, he could be asecondhand Jedi, but I'm still
noticing that everything that hemanipulates using the force,
(13:44):
it's usually always somethingmetallic.
So is it?
Is it some sort of a mat, Like?
Like he got out of his own, hisown binders?
He got out of his restraints,right, Just shoot, shoot, you
know, and it was done.
But so I don't know, Tony, whatdo you think?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Uh, I mean I tend to agree with Crash.
I think he's a natural forceuser lacking proper training to
be able to do any grander things.
Yeah, I mean he can do someparlor tricks and whatnot, but
(14:22):
the big thing for me is if hehad any training as far as, like
you know, you know mind controltypes of abilities, he's had
ample time to use them and we'venever seen it right.
So to me it's the just.
I have some natural abilitiesbut I've never been trained on
how to use them, so they're morelike parlor tricks, but they
(14:45):
can come in handy.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
He's strong in the.
Fake it till you, make it.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm going to call it right now.
He is a defective Palpatineclone.
I'm just going to put that outthere right now.
So it's going to come out thathe was in one of Palpatine's
many, many cloning facilities.
It got hit during the clonewars, blew up and he escaped
(15:14):
barely and he isn't even awarethat he's a palpatine clone, but
he's a palpatine clone.
He could.
He could actually even be the,a sibling of Rey that's possible
Rey's half-brother.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
We've never explored why we know Palpatine had a son.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And I know some of the newer books we've explored.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
There's some lineages floating around there.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I don't really think that.
I don't really think that, Idon't really think that he's,
I'm just I know.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
But but you know it's not out of the realm of
possibility.
It's like that 12 playoffbracket.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's low but we don't know.
We don't know.
Somehow palpatine returned, sosomehow jod could be a palpatine
clone.
I, I don't, you know.
And it's interesting because ifyou look at, if you look at the
um the emperor reborn from theeu, I could see the resemblance
(16:13):
between, between jude law and,you know, the, the way that
palpatine, a young palpatine,was depicted.
Yeah, I don't think that, thatthat jod is in any way related
to palpatine.
I just I think it would be fun,though it would be so bad it
would.
It would jump all the sharks ifthat was.
(16:33):
If that was the case, though,if you know, he was in any way
related to palpatine or anyoneelse.
So I don't know, I don't know.
I'm I'm really excited to seeI'm excited, but I'm also a
little bit sad that that thisgreat series is coming to an end
here in just a few days yeah, Iam really hoping that it's not
(16:56):
the end of a series, as it isjust the end of a season I want
to see and I say this in the themost loving way possible I want
to see disney exploit thesechildren until they're adults
and they just can't take itanymore for my own selfish nerdy
needs, because I I have grownto love these kids and I'm so
(17:22):
happy to see their journeys andtheir adventures and I'm having
so much fun on this.
It's such a nostalgia ride thatI just I want more.
I want a season two through 13.
You know I want to see these.
I mean I want it to begenerational, like Harry Potter.
You know I mean we saw thosekids literally grow up from the
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age of 10 and into their 20s.
I mean I would love to see thatfor the skeleton crew, but I
don't know.
It would be great.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And I don't know.
We've been told that, dave Fil,it was going to be like this uh
, a first Avengers movie,compilation of the entire Mando
verse and all the Disney plusshows into a into a.
I don't know how these kids fitin with Mando and Grogu and
(18:19):
Bo-Katan and all that yet is.
You know, we'll see whathappens in the finale, whether
this, this shows designed as aone-off or if it's gonna have
some legs or potential I meanit's universally loved.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
At this point I even even the fandom menace has been
really, really quiet.
I've noticed there's not I meanyou can't hate on this show and
for those that have tried, I'veseen there's a couple people
that will.
That will remain namelessbecause I don't want to give
them any press.
But there's been a couple whoare kind of like tertiary fandom
(18:57):
menacers.
They're not like regular starwars content creators.
They generally handle all, allmedia.
So they, you know they'll,they'll attack whatever you know
, but even their audiences.
They tried like a couple oftimes to really go hard on
(19:17):
skeleton crew and their ownaudiences, kind of pushed back,
and then they haven't saidanything since.
So what that tells me is thehit, you know, kind of pushed
back, and then they haven't saidanything since.
So what that tells?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
me is that this is a hit, you know, and I think it
does have legs, crash Absolutely, I think the fandom as a whole,
the real fandom, not just theinternet troll part has learned
the lesson of Jake Lloyd andAhmed Best, where we're going to
start protecting our own,especially the young ones, and
you're not going to hurt, we'renot going to.
There's always going to besomebody that's looking for
(19:48):
clout, that's going to like makeyou know, make some big deal,
that KB has two moms.
Oh well, fight me outside, Idon't care.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
There's been.
You know what I thought?
I really thought that that wasgoing to die on.
That was.
That's such an easy point toattack I've heard nothing.
Yeah, I've heard nothing.
I I mean there's a few littlerumblings and a few little few
little.
It's woke here and there, butit's such minor chatter that it
(20:18):
it's not even registering.
So it's like because the showitself, it it's so solid on so
many levels.
And I also think and I hope Idon't think this, but I hope
this, I hope people are startingto realize that the galaxy far,
far away is not our reality.
(20:39):
There are countless worlds,countless races and species out
there.
Why can't we have space suburbs?
Why can't we have two moms?
You know what I mean.
So it's like it's you've gotall this vast expanse.
Anything's possible, absolutelyanything is possible, and I
(21:02):
think again, I hope that they'vecome to realize this.
I haven't even heard peopletalking shit about the space
suburbs anymore.
That was the number one pointof contention when the the
trailers came out.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
But I think people are just actually legitimately
loving the show yeah, I sawafter, after episode six came
out, I saw one article that wasbasically trying to take Disney
to task for KB being a aplaceholder for people with
(21:37):
disabilities.
And like I saw that article andlike nearly lost my shit Cause
I'm like like really like you,like this is the hell, you want
to die and I like that the St.
Jude kids don't get ready to bethe keyboard warrior.
Yeah, and literally, like I wasgearing up to go off and then I
(22:00):
saw, and then I I just saw itlike, literally within an hour,
like this thing was just gettingratioed to hell and I'm like,
okay, I'm just gonna take a stepback and breathe and let them
deal with that becauseapparently it's under control
yeah, because that's we we talkabout.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You know, everybody talk wants to talk about dei,
right, and you know the, theevil that diversity, equity and
inclusion brings upon the world.
I and I never thought that thatthose things would be
considered evil.
You know, diversity, equity andinclusion, those are all really
good things to have.
But when we're looking at kband I'm glad you brought that up
(22:41):
, because I did I definitely didwant to talk about kb.
But when we're looking at kb,very, very seldom do we see
people in star wars with adisability, where it's talked
about as having a disability.
You know we see people gettheir arms and legs chopped off
and they get.
(23:01):
You know, I mean, shouldn't?
Darth Maul has a disability?
He, he is a disabled corn warsveteran.
And you know, I mean, my boygot chopped in half, but we
don't ever talk about that as adisability.
It's, it's almost like anenhancement.
And then in the book of bobafett mods, you know they're
(23:23):
enhanced.
You know, and now we we get tosee this from the perspective of
kb.
And when we're talking aboutwhat dei is supposed to be,
we're talking about inclusion,we're talking about having a
property where anyone can watchit and they're going to see
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people who look like them, andthat just makes it relatable.
So now, if you do have childrenthat have augments you know, I
don't even want to call itdisabilities now, after this
episode, you're augmented,you're in a wheelchair, you have
breathing apparatus, you're notdisabled, you're augmented.
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But KB still had the courage tosay I can't do all of the
things that you can do.
Let's have that conversation.
And she wasn't comfortablehaving that conversation at
first and that caused somestress between her and firm.
But by having that conversation, what about those kids out
there watching this show who are, them themselves augmented and
(24:31):
now they're like you know whatkb?
I can relate to, kb, thank you.
I'm gonna tell my friendstomorrow that, guys, I can't run
and jump and climb and do thesethings that you do, and I can't
be quiet about it anymore.
I gotta tell you that, thatepisode was great.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Love it for, for there was as action-wise,
timeline wise, there wasn't alot happening, in that, you know
, the kids fall out of a tubeafter the trip, land in a junk
pile.
Oh wait, we got to get back tothe ship.
That's the episode, and thiswas the Bryce Dallas Howard
episode.
There's a lot of heavy lifting,emotional, just gravitas going
(25:14):
on here.
I like the fact that we got thepairs split up.
Yeah, it was fern yeah neil andkb and win, because you break
the boys and the girls up andnow they get to interact with
each other and they get toactually kind of meet each other
.
Yeah, we, we learned so muchabout each of them because you
know fern's the alpha of thepair and KB, you know, was
(25:39):
afraid to tell her.
I can't keep up with you.
Even now.
You look back at that scene inthe first episode when they're
in the speeder racing together.
You know she's sitting there inthe sidecar like baggage
because she's afraid to tell herlike I can't do that Maybe
where her accident came from.
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
We don't know.
I so want to find out.
Like, what happened to kb?
How did?
But this was her growth episodetoo.
Like we got to see neil whimand fern on their growth
episodes and this was definitelyone for kb, because I was
wondering.
I was like, when are we goingto get to see kb, kind of like
you know, grow a little bit?
And I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I was not disappointed and and the way you
know she talked calmly, talkedbit and I wouldn't, I was not
disappointed.
And then the way she talkedcalmly, talked with him through
how to how to replace, assomeone who's done medical
repairs for family members onthe fly, like my, you know, I've
taken care of my dad.
There've been times where I,you know, they asked me to like,
can you do this procedure anddo it, and it's you're like,
okay, this is somebody I youknow, this is, you know, do it.
(26:39):
And you're like, okay, this issomebody I you know this is, you
know, stressful, yeah, yeah, tosay oh, hey, uh, mold a fuse
before my body decides to shutdown in the middle seconds away
yeah, and he.
You know the fact that he, hewas on the ball and got it done
and I like how at the end she'ssort of like half joking, like
you know.
Thanks for saving my life, jedi, because she knows, oh, that
was like oh, that got me, thatgot me because she knows.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Oh, that got me, that got me in my chest.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
When she said that that got me in my chest, I was
like oh, oh, you don't have tobe jumping into space battles to
be a hero, and I think that's agreat lesson for kids.
You know, sometimes doinglittle things to help people
around you, that's bravery, justas much as space battles and
lightsabers and all that a lotof empowerment a lot of
(27:24):
empowerment going on in in these, in that episode specifically,
um, and then we got to see theonyx cinder.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
What, what?
I was not expecting that.
That was like I knew it had anarmor on it.
We, we learned that from fromthe pirate.
You know the the pirate captaintech is that his text text
something?
Um, we, I know that that he hadinstalled some armor on it.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I, I wasn't expecting this, the whole ass sexy ship,
to pop out and that that's thekey to getting in past the
maelstrom of at at that's.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
The key is that it's an ad at and ship, yeah, and
then and then, uh, when theywere flying through the barrier,
I liked how the uh, the.
The satellite grid startedturning green when it flew by.
I was like I know disney's notgoing to kill kids in a show,
but I was still kind of on theedge.
(28:22):
The satellite grid startedturning green when it flew by.
I was like I know Disney's notgoing to kill kids in a show,
but I was still kind of on theedge of my seat, I'm not going
to lie.
I was like, are they going tomake it?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I know they're going to.
I mean, obviously they're goingto make it, but are they going
to make it For any Disney fans?
Those satellites were hilariousfor me because it reminded me
of the magic bands you wear whenyou go to a Disney park.
When you enter the park, youscan a wristband and the thing
lights up green.
When it's like you know itrecognizes who this is.
As soon as I saw that turngreen, I was like, okay, now you
got to put your fingerprint onthe touchpad and you go in.
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That's a Disney park admission.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So completely off topic.
But speaking of the magic bands, I have yet to go to Galaxy's
Edge.
I'm really, really itching togo.
It's not gonna happen this year, probably next year, I hope,
but that's where I got this, bythe way your credit.
Yeah, um, I saw someone onreddit.
They disassembled their uh,their magic band scanner thing
(29:14):
and put it into a glove, andthen so they.
They use the force to to getinto the different places.
They just wave their hand overthe sensors and it's now
installed in in the palm oftheir glove.
I was like god, you're such anerd and I love it I absolutely
love it um that's sweet.
(29:35):
So so these were I'm sorry.
Go ahead, tony.
What were you saying?
I was like that's, that's sweet,that that, that somebody did
that it's such, god I love, lovebeing a nerd, love being a star
wars nerd, and it is such agreat time to be a star wars
nerd.
I used to think there was toomuch star wars happening because
you know, you know when, forthe original trilogy generation,
(29:58):
you know, we got a movie everycouple of years until we didn't.
And then we went like 15 yearswithout a movie, except for the
special editions, which thosewere hit or miss for us.
But so now it's like there's somuch star Wars and I, I, I miss
(30:21):
for us.
But so now it's like there's somuch star wars and I, I, I.
At first I wanted to be a littleupset about that because I'm
like you know what it kind ofloses some of its magic.
But then skeleton crew came outand I was just like no, we're
back, we're back.
I wasn't hating on star wars,by any means, not not to the
level of fandom menace, but Iwas.
I was getting to the pointwhere it was like, oh, okay,
more star wars, let's check itout.
It almost felt like a chore.
(30:42):
It's like well, I'm a star warsfan, I gotta watch this so
let's go, let's do the thing um.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I'm always amazed when marvel fans complain about
the extent of the mc.
There's people saying that theyshould reboot the mcu to the
beginning because oh, it's sohard to keep up, boy, it's like
one or two movies and a coupleTV shows a year and we all know
you got nothing else to do.
So go watch and keep up.
You're going to have to watchMoon Knight, accept it.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Moon Knight was something else.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah, but I mean there's this idea that there's
such a thing as content overload.
Yeah, there can be a little toomuch Star Wars sometimes, but
one of the things I like aboutthe Disney Plus shows is that we
were talking earlier.
People have such shortattention spans that a 35, 40
(31:36):
minute episode, seven, eight arcyou know the skeleton crew
could not work as a movie.
Bob is obsessed with moviemaking movies again instead of
TV shows but this would not dowell.
This would be a flop as a moviebecause it it just doesn't have
the legs to compete with themovies that are out there.
(31:57):
This one you couldn't put thisup against the new Superman
movie and expect to beat it.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
And there's not, there's, there's not enough time
to really to really get intothe characters and really to
become emotionally invested andall that.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
But now, but you get to explore so many different
areas that the tree is branchingthat we have skeleton crew and
and Ray and Andor and Star WarsRebels happening at roughly the
same time and now everybody'sgot an avenue of Star Wars that
they can explore and it's good,I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
It's a great time, tony.
What do you think?
So for me, when we talk aboutcontent, overload, overload and
whatnot?
For me, with star trek, that'swe like wait with a little movie
to me the solo movie.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
No, no, hold on, hold on now.
You said that trek use it withstar trek.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Sorry, my apologies man you're in.
You're in the wrongneighborhood brother.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I love Star Trek too.
Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yes, like for me, the Solo movie was like, don't get
me wrong.
Did I want to know more aboutHan's backstory?
Yeah, but did I need an entiresequence to know how he got his
gun?
No, Did I need an entiresequence to see how he got the
little chain that we, the littlething with the dice that hangs
off of his windshield?
No, I didn't need to see thatand To me, like that's where it
(33:25):
gets annoying.
Sometimes is he like okay,you're gonna give me a whole
show which is gonna give me 5%more over characters depth, and
I'd like I don't need that.
Star Wars is an entire galaxy.
You've got a massive time frameto play with, yet we keep
(33:46):
focusing on the same 60-yearperiod and just beating it to
death.
That's the part that gets to mesometimes.
I still enjoy it.
It's still fun, but, likesomething like this for skeleton
crew we'll see.
Okay, there's maybe a passingreference here or there, but all
in all, we're talking about newcharacters that we've never
(34:07):
explored before.
We're talking about new planets, new plot lines that have
nothing to do with the greaterwar and, and to me, that's great
, like, and that's what I loveabout it.
And like you mentioned, youknow, uh, marvel universe and
sometimes people get bogged downwith that.
To me, no, like, yes, withinthe original, you know, phase
(34:29):
one, two and three of marvel.
Yeah, there's some things thatyou need to watch in order to
keep up and okay, okay, fine, ifthat gets to be too much for
somebody, okay, I guess.
But so far, moon Knight is justMoon Knight.
There was no interaction withany other superhero.
There was nothing else going on.
So see, if you want to watch it, great, and I enjoyed it.
(34:52):
If you don't want to watch it,fine.
Yeah, there's maybe going to bea movie down the road where
they're going to introduce him,and if you haven't watched the
series, you're going to have acouple questions.
But that's fine, you can takeit or leave it, and so for me,
that's not content overload.
That's just okay.
Here's a variety of content.
(35:13):
Pick and choose what you like.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
All right, that's fair.
You know you do bring up a goodpoint too.
You know we are the only timethat we have really stepped
outside of.
You know the, the, theskywalker era is with, with the
acolyte, and that's really thebut other than that we have
(35:40):
still our left and right limithave have taken place either a
little bit before or directlyafter the events of the original
trilogy.
You know we're like you said,it's that same.
You know 60-ish year.
You know era.
You know we, we haven't talkedabout.
(36:02):
You know the old Republic.
You know like going back, youknow a thousand plus years, or
moving ahead to.
You know the, the fell Empire.
You know I can't remember howmany years and ahead that was,
but that was, uh.
But even with that, that'sstill.
You know you're still dealingwith kade skywalker, but it's
(36:23):
not during this time frame.
It's not, you know, becauseright now, during, I mean, we're
in the mando verse.
I know that's the era thatthey're calling it, but luke and
leia are still.
They're still out there kickingit, you know.
So, all of so I think on onelevel it's being done
(36:44):
deliberately to keep us rootedin a familiar galaxy.
You know, keeping it Star Wars,like, if we went back to like
knights of the old republic era,you know, would a lot of the
older fans acclimate to that.
(37:06):
I mean, we've played the games,sure, but you know, would we?
Would we take to that and feelcomfortable in that era the way
that we feel comfortable in this?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
you know, republic, empire, post-empire era, that,
uh, that we all inhabit now Idon't know if you guys remember,
when the prequels came out,there was a lot of.
I remember I was just gettinginto the fan forums, uh,
forcenet, shout out, um, and itwas interesting because there
(37:41):
were, like you're saying, therewere a lot of people, a lot of
casual fans and and non-nerdpeople who knew of star wars as
a cultural thing.
You know, everybody knows whatdarth vader means, but not, you
know.
But they may not know thespecifics, you know, other than
the I am your father.
Um, when the prequels first cameout, there was a little bit of
(38:01):
what's this?
Are we reinventing the like?
Cause it was not the Luke andLeia that we knew.
You know, the fact that Obi-Wanwas a young man was like
shocking for some people.
You know, like, oh, this isthat old guy from the first
movie who dies.
We're going to, we get to seehim.
You know, it took a little timeto acclimate the non, shall we
(38:23):
say, outside the circle of nerds.
Sure, the diehard fans, youknow, even the diehard fans, you
know, complain because itdidn't fit their head canon, and
that's where a lot of thereplay came from.
Yeah, but for the casual fan,the everyday movie goer.
There was a little bit of thisis Star Wars before Star Wars
and I feel like this is the samething with Skeleton Crew, where
this is Star Wars in betweenthe two trilogies.
(38:47):
You know I love that.
See going back to the episodeon the resort planet when the
kids see the X-Wings chasing thepirates.
I love how Wim finally makesthe connection as a proud member
of the fraternity the X-Wingsare the good guys Right right.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
But what you were saying too, though with the
prequels there is still, Eventhough that we are seeing, you
know, new things, new characters, we're getting origin stories.
There's still that connectivetissue, you know, there's still
the.
There's still that familiarityWe've still, we're still seeing
Tatooine.
(39:27):
We're we're seeing, you know,we're hearing the names Obi-Wan,
Kenobi, Palpatine, Alderaan.
You know there's, you know,Coruscant.
You know there's still thesethings.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Although I don't think Coruscant, you know,
there's still these things,although I don't think Coruscant
was ever mentioned in theoriginal trilogy, not until the
special edition.
That came from the EU and then,when they did the special
edition, they retro it intoReturn of the Jedi.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, and because that was just the celebration,
right, yeah, so, but but westill had, you know, we had the
Skywalker name.
We had again, you know,tatooine.
We had these, these points offamiliarity for older fans to be
able to connect to, and I thinkthat was that was something
they.
They did with the sequels aswell.
(40:12):
You know that that first, youknow episode seven, you know
that was people complained thatit was too much like the
original trilogy, that some ofit was just like almost shot for
shot, like you know, things outof the original trilogy.
But I was, I was kind ofgrateful for that because when I
(40:33):
saw it in the theater, I was, Iwas like, okay, that's not
tatooine, but it's desert planet.
So I, okay, I'm feeling thatand seeing the falcon and all
you know.
So I I think we're always goingto need that.
I think we I don't know if we'llever really escape this
particular era because I, tony,like you said, they're just kind
of like they're beating thisera to death, like it's like
(40:55):
every story is happening in thistime frame and now, with the
skeleton crew taking place, Iguess, kind of parallel to the
events of the mandalorian, youknow.
But but there's more stories totell in this.
It's like it's comfortable, youknow it's.
It's like it's a comfortableera and there's, like you said,
(41:15):
it's a.
It's a big galaxy, so there's alot of stories to tell.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
So exactly that's getting like I understand you
make a good point about, like,if you go all the way back to to
old republic, like you knowthere's some, there's just a
level of familiarity you'regonna lose, and I get that and
that's fine.
But, like again, it's a biggalaxy.
You can tell a story like thisone.
You can tell a story like andor where it's the hey.
(41:41):
It doesn't all have to be aboutthe skywalker family.
It doesn't all have to be aboutthis war between the empire and
the resistance, like there's amuch wider group of stories that
you can tell within that sameuniverse to keep us invested
without just beating the samedrum over and over and over, and
(42:03):
this is, this is one of them.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
I mean, this is, you know, and I just love it.
All right, so we're gonna.
We're gonna wrap up real quick,um, but I I wanted to.
I don't know if this was athing, I feel like it was, but
when, when, when jod was in thevault, when he first went to the
vault, they said he asked youknow how many vaults are there?
(42:26):
They said there was 1139 vaults, like on the planet, like this
was not the only one.
So I don't know if it's so, ifyou, they're in that one vault.
So there is still 1138 vaultsremaining 1138.
(42:50):
Thx 1138.
The George Lucas, his firstfilm that he ever made.
I mean, they reference that THx1138 is just sprinkled all
throughout star wars lore.
So I'm wondering if that wasthat had to have been done on
purpose that's not a randomnumber that's not a yeah, yeah
(43:12):
there's two thousand volts,there's two there, there's, you
know, a thousand volts, but yeah, I can see somebody in the
writer's room doing a price isright.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
We're like 11, 38, 11 , 39 drew, you know, just make
up a random, you know plus oneto throw off the fan easter egg
hunting.
But yeah, that was a cutelittle.
Yeah, we get the.
Oh, I feel like captain, I getthat reference right, oh, I love
it.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
I, when I when I heard, I was like wait a minute,
that's 11.
So there's 11, 138 volts Likeyou sneaky, crafty nerds.
I love it.
All right, so we're going towrap up predictions for the
final episode, episode eight,which again is coming out here
(43:57):
in just a few days.
Um crash go.
What are your predictions?
What are we going to see?
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Oh, I know there's one clip that leaked out of
William and his dad on a speeder.
I feel like the kids are goingto break out, obviously, but I
think the families are going toget involved.
I loved real quickly thebeginning, the parents sending
up that beacon.
You know again Neil Nationrepresent.
(44:25):
But Neil's mom was likefearless about just okay, I have
stubby legs but I'll outrun thesecurity droids, let's go.
I have a feeling the familiesare going to fight back and it's
going to be fun to watch themkind of rebel against John even
with his lightsaber.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Okay, all right, tony .
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, in the same vein I know we talked about it
in one of the previous episodeswhere when Wim's father got
frustrated with the fact thatthe droids weren't going to do
anything and it was very clearthat that that they were kind of
on their own as far as tryingto get their kids back.
You know, we talked about thatmoment where he puts his glasses
(45:06):
down and he's just like, yeah,I mean, you know, just in his
head, you know he's just gettingready to go to war, and we
didn't really see a lot of it.
But I think now is where we'regoing to catch up to us okay,
all right.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Oh, I'm looking forward to it.
I think we're gonna.
I think we're gonna have aconnection between the
supervisor and um, the originalpirate tech.
I can't remember his full name.
I thought it's tech tech renardbrandar rendar okay, I think
(45:43):
that there's going to be aconnection there, because I
think the onyx cinder crashed onon anton hundreds of years ago
I don't think it was even ahundred years ago, I want to say
it was hundreds, plural, um.
And I think there's going to bea connection between the
captain and the uh, the theplanet supervisor, um, I don't
(46:09):
know, sherry.
Sherry said that the supervisoris probably going to be a droid
.
She really feels that thesupervisor might be a droid.
I, I don't think I disagreewith that I'm with her on that
yeah, so we'll see what happens.
Um, I think it would.
I would like for it to come outthat jod was one of the
(46:32):
younglings that escaped anakin'sslaughter.
Um, I don't know if that'sgoing to happen or not.
Again, that might be jumpingthe shark a little bit, but of
course, everything, everythingin star wars, jumps the shark.
The fact that darth vader isluke skywalker's father, that's
that's.
You're jumping jaws on that one.
I mean it's just, but it's fine.
(46:54):
But that's why we love starwars.
It's corny like that.
So i't do you guys think Jodwill be in any way related to
anything from the originaltrilogy or the prequels at all?
Speaker 2 (47:10):
No trash.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
You're saying no.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I've heard stories and I saw a couple articles, but
I didn't read too much intothem Cause I kind of want to be
surprised by it if it happens.
Uh, but there was talk read toomuch into them because I kind
of want to be surprised by it ifit happens.
But there was talk about thefact that Silvo, which is one of
John's aliases, was a directcompetitor with Han Ooh.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
That would be for some good comics.
If it did, you know like youcould do it animated or in comic
form all right.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
So it's gonna be.
It is gonna be a good ride.
I'm looking forward to it and,uh, so we will meet back here
next week to discuss episodeeight.
Episode 8, I'm getting excited.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
I love it alright so that's gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
You guys have anything to say on the way out
hey, can we give a shout out toSM33 that punch when he just
cold cocked Silva right in themask right in the mind.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
he really did Like in Friday you got knocked the fuck
out.
That was he.
Put him on his computer.
That was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Can we all give it a left lean?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Damn, go ahead, smee, you cool motherfucker.
Nick Frost voicing Smee.
I never would have put thattogether, because he does such a
great job I love it.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
That would be a fun little twist.
It's supervisor.
You said it's a droid and it'slike one of it's another Smee.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
That would be some shit, wouldn't it.
Yeah, everything's up in theair at this point and this is
another reason I love this showis that I some, some things you
can kind of predict, some thingsare totally predictable.
You're like that's gonna happen, this is gonna happen, that's
that person, blah, blah,whatever.
I got nothing.
I mean I've got nothing, I justI don't know, it's.
(49:20):
It's like game of thrones, butwithout the the death,
dismemberment and incest.
It's.
You know, it's pretty cool.
Yeah, I don't know, I don'tknow, we'll see what happens.
Oh, and speaking of game ofthrones, someone had posted
something on reddit um, theymade an intro for um, I thought
(49:44):
it was prequel, but they, theymade a mock intro based off of
the house of cards intro, the tvshow house of cards.
I'm not aware.
I'm aware of it.
I've never seen it, but peoplein the comment comments were
wondering if if a a Game ofThrones-style political intrigue
sort of Star Wars show wouldwork or not.
(50:06):
And I don't know.
It would have to be on HBO, itwould have to be, you know,
pretty hardcore, but you'd haveto have some other shit going on
.
But I mean, I don't know, Idon't know.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
We can talk about that.
Yeah, isn't that the Clone Wars?
I mean, I don't know, I don'tknow we can talk about that.
Yeah, isn't that the Clone Wars?
I mean, am I missing?
Speaker 3 (50:24):
something In a way, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, it is, but again without there's death and
dismemberment.
For sure, in the Clone Warsit's not a whole lot of incest.
So if that's what you want yourpolitical intrigue, I guess you
know back over to Game ofThrones with you, but we'll see
what happens.
All right.
So, speaking of the Clone Wars,if you are listening to our
other podcast, star Wars SafeSpace, we're going to be
(50:48):
starting our very next seasonand we're going to be going into
season four of the Clone Warswhere things do start taking a
turn and it does start getting alittle bit heavy and not not
heavy.
Crash in the group chat, notheavy.
(51:09):
Rip to heavy.
Our clone brother all right, allright, fellas, we will.
Uh, we will see y'all see youon the flip side all right,
thanks for joining us, starwarriors, and we will see you
all.
See you on the flip side.
All right, thanks for joiningus, star Warriors, and we will
see you next week.
Bye, bye, bye, thank you.
if you don't get them within the first five seconds,
they're gone, kind of like thispodcast.
We've already been around.
Hey, welcome to Skeleton CrewReview.
(00:36):
I am Tommy D and we are backfrom the holiday break.
Hopefully, everyone had a happyand safe holiday and, as we
said before the break, hopefully, uh, you engaged in some
shenanigans and maybe a littlebit of crime and didn't get
caught.
So be safe, don't get caught.
Those are, uh, that's the thephrase that pays.
So this week we are joined by tto the oni, also known as Jedi
(01:04):
Master, baloney, keeper of theHolocron.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
everybody, welcome back.
How was?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
your holiday?
Pretty good, pretty good.
I had a good time.
Didn't do anything too crazy,but didn't get caught for what I
did, so I'll take it as a win,that's what I like to hear and
pilot of the infamous parmaflyer is crash hi, everybody s
foil is locked and ready to go.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And for you ready to go, oh man hopefully that didn't
come out of your sock.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It did not, all right .
So for those of you joining usfor the first time on the show,
go back and listen or re-watchone of our other episodes you
had some feelings about I had.
I had some feelings about sockcredits and uh, and jod um
putting sock credits into hismouth, so, but he deserves all
(02:07):
that and more.
So we're going to be talkingabout that.
So, so, what we're going to bedoing, uh, this week because we
did take a couple of weeks off,we did miss a couple of episodes
uh, we are going to be talkingabout episodes uh, five, six and
seven, skeleton crew and uh,giving our thoughts and, uh, our
little review, what we thoughtabout the, uh, these episodes.
I think we can all agree jod isa dick.
(02:33):
I think let's just start there.
I mean that's.
I think that's as good a placeas any start, because these
three episodes really do show alot of him.
We're seeing more growth withthe kids, which was great.
Um, and well, I want to talkabout kb.
That was shocking, that washeart-wrenching some of it.
But let's talk about jod.
(02:54):
Let's talk about the piratecaptain.
Was it crimson jack?
Yeah, well, was it crimson?
No, the crimson jack, yeah.
So, let's, let's talk aboutthis slimo, shall we?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
oh, I, I think the like the nfl playoff prediction
bracket for jod's redemption arc.
Is it like 12?
It's over, like you bastard soall right.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
So here's, here's my question for you guys.
All right, I again, I thinkwe're all in agreement,
agreement that he is just anasshole.
I, I mean the, the guy, you,you think that he's a scruffy
nerf herder.
You know he's just a, you knowhe's a scoundrel.
He was giving off han solovibes a little bit.
So nothing, nothing we haven'tdealt with before, nothing
(03:44):
terrible, nothing we can'thandle.
But then he's putting knives tothe throats of children,
talking about carving theirparents up with lightsabers.
I mean, okay.
So here's my question.
Two-part question.
Two-part question for youquestion.
(04:07):
Two-part question.
Two-part question for you.
At what point in the seat inthe series so far did you kind
of fall in love with jod and atwhat point did you say, man,
fuck that.
Yeah crash.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Okay, uh fell in love with jod.
Oh gosh, it was pretty early onon the at akron or at kaihaga
falls or whatever the secondplanet, when he you know saved
the kids, you know worked a dealand you generally felt like
this partnership was.
You knew he was gonna screwthem over, but maybe in a happy
(04:45):
jack sparrow kind of way.
Yeah, even at the spa I waswhen he was like kind of yelling
at them to focus.
Yeah, he was, he's obsessedabout the money.
I understand that and, and thatwas part of me, that's like okay
, but you're gonna be likehonorable about it maybe.
Like okay, you're in.
Okay, you're a pirate but maybea decent guy.
(05:05):
And as soon as he challengesFern, I'm like you son of a
bitch.
And the only thing saving himfrom being a complete D-bag is
he could have killed heroutright.
He could have.
Just, you know, a little bit ofdark for a Disney show, but I'm
like he told her to her facejust yield and it's done.
(05:29):
I'm like okay, so he didn'tjust kill a kid, he ganked
Brutus without a second thought.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Oh, he sauced Brutus.
That was beautiful.
I mean he sauced him.
I mean that was just one to thedome.
Lights out for brutus.
That is a wrap, that is aseries wrap on brutus.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Ladies and gentlemen, and I even I was like he was
winning me back over with thatI'm hungry speech because
there's a lot of truth there.
You know, sure you know.
There's this thing where peoplethis trope that pirates all bad
guys are bad guys.
Some people are bad becausethey've got nothing else, like
(06:12):
that one Quarren he referenced.
You want to start a farm, yourown microbrewery or whatever for
Quarrens, you've got to rake insome money before you can do it
.
That's how people in thisgalaxy can compare desperation.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
They're you know they're doing credits.
Maybe you're doing the wrongthings for the right reason.
I mean, andor is a perfectexample.
Andor is a murderous bastard.
You know, cassian andor is amurdering bastard, but but it's,
I mean, you know, kind of forthe greater good.
But in this case with Jod, Idon't think we have a greater
(06:51):
good with this guy.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
He started, you know, challenging Fern was one thing.
When he starts, I even seesneaking on the ship, you know,
and finally having it like he'shad enough of the kids and
they're whining and all thatThreatening their family.
Having it like he's had enoughof the kids and they're whining
and all threatening their family, like if he had just brought
these kids home they probablywould have given him a freaking
reward, like yeah, he didn'thave enough credits to just go
off and live his best life, buthe wants it all.
(07:15):
That's it, and we'll talk thatscene in the.
In the vault that boy was doingthe scrooge mcduck money pit
swim.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
He was loving it I mean just just one of those
crates of old republic credits.
He's set for life.
He's set for life.
So.
So at what point were you donewith john, like, at what point
did you whatever, whateverfantasy you had about him?
At what point was it gone?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I think when he pulled the lightsaber on the
kids and threatened to carve uptheir families because like that
was so unnecessary, you had thein.
All you had to do is bring thekids home, drop them off safe.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
You'd be a hero and you just gotta go d-bag yeah,
they probably would have givenhim a boatload of credits too.
Boatload of credits, Alright,Tony.
What are you thinking?
Job moments, Good, the bad andthe ugly what do you?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
got.
I never fell in love with them.
I really didn't.
They made it the fact thatevery single time the kids were
introduced to another person,they said do not trust him.
Like it was to me very clear.
Yeah, he's like he's talking agood game, but he's going to
(08:37):
turn out to be the asshole.
And so I just like for me itwas the always keeping them at
arm's pace.
And so I just like, for me itwas the always keeping them at
arm's pace.
Now I will say, like, was therehope that you know he's going
to at least try to do right bythe kids to get them home?
Yeah, like that was definitelythere, but there was never a.
(09:01):
He's actually a good guy.
And then, as far as where itturned for me pretty much the
same exact time frame when hechallenged for captainship
there's a small part of you inthe back of my mind that's going
maybe there's just somethingthat he needs to be able to do
as captain that he needs thatposition for.
(09:21):
And that's why he's saying justyield, don't.
Maybe there's more to it.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
There's a reason like he has to play this role of
this bad guy, but I don't thinkthat's the case.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I think he's but then the moment when, when it's old,
when the challenge is over, andhe's like, yeah, lock them up
and like once it's very clearthat, yeah, that wasn't just a
play for whatever, it's a he'sdone like he's just no longer
cares about them.
Yeah, that's the point, it'sthe art.
(09:59):
Yeah, he's the bastard.
He's you know, he's going to bethe bad guy from here on out.
He is a bastard.
The thing that I don't get and Imight be jumping the gun a
little bit here is that okay, sohe could drop the kids off, he
could pretend to be theadversary and get away with his
(10:20):
plan to a degree, but the ideaof harving up the parents and
doing all this like you had aheart, like, granted, now you've
got a lightsaber, but you had ahard time dealing with smi yeah
, one-on-one.
You've got an entire planetfull, full of droids that are
(10:42):
capable of.
You've got an entire planetfull of droids that are capable
of basically Stunning them.
Yeah, that's Sorry, I lost theword from there yeah, just flat
out stunning them andincapacitating them.
He might be decent with alightsaber.
So far he hasn't shown me thathe has any particular skill with
it, just the obvious basics.
(11:03):
I don't think he can possiblywin this, so I'm very curious to
see how this next episode goes.
But like, yeah, I just I don'tthink he's really in a winnable
situation as close as he is tohis goal so let's, let's talk
about that for a minute.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Let's talk about um, where he is, and we're seeing a
couple more instances of himusing the quote unquote, force.
I'm still not completelyconvinced, but and he's handling
the lightsaber.
But my next question what do wethink and I'm I'm guessing
(11:42):
we'll probably find this out inthe final episode, which is,
which is coming up here in a fewdays but, um, do we think that
he is legitimately a forcewielder like is?
Was he a youngling?
Was he a padawan?
Did he just kind of fall intoit like broom kid?
(12:05):
I mean, like what are you guysthinking in terms of his force
crash?
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm still sticking by my theory that he's self-taught
for the most part.
You know, there's the jediorder were taken out in order 66
, the temple was shut down.
There's still force-sensitivepeople.
There's people that have theraw talent, maybe not the
training but, like he even toldthe kids, with enough meditation
(12:34):
there's enough lore of the Jediout there in the galaxy that if
you put your mind to it, maybeyou can levitate a few things.
Maybe he can, you know, do afew tricks that worked well for
a pirate.
But I don't think he's.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I wouldn't call him a trained force wielder, but I'd
say a raw talent well, but he,he did say something that, like
he knows, he knows jediterminology, he knows, he knows,
he knows Jedi terminology, heknows, he knows phrases, he
knows ideas, he knows concepts.
You know, he says your focusdetermines your, your reality,
(13:14):
you know.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I think we're chasing Easter eggs basically by God
line, Right so?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I mean.
So it almost seems like he didhave some sort of training or he
was exposed to it, or maybesomebody else that he dealt with
was trained or something.
I mean, he could be asecondhand Jedi, but I'm still
noticing that everything that hemanipulates using the force,
(13:44):
it's usually always somethingmetallic.
So is it?
Is it some sort of a mat, Like?
Like he got out of his own, hisown binders?
He got out of his restraints,right, Just shoot, shoot, you
know, and it was done.
But so I don't know, Tony, whatdo you think?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Uh, I mean I tend to agree with Crash.
I think he's a natural forceuser lacking proper training to
be able to do any grander things.
Yeah, I mean he can do someparlor tricks and whatnot, but
(14:22):
the big thing for me is if hehad any training as far as, like
you know, you know mind controltypes of abilities, he's had
ample time to use them and we'venever seen it right.
So to me it's the just.
I have some natural abilitiesbut I've never been trained on
how to use them, so they're morelike parlor tricks, but they
(14:45):
can come in handy.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
He's strong in the.
Fake it till you, make it.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm going to call it right now.
He is a defective Palpatineclone.
I'm just going to put that outthere right now.
So it's going to come out thathe was in one of Palpatine's
many, many cloning facilities.
It got hit during the clonewars, blew up and he escaped
(15:14):
barely and he isn't even awarethat he's a palpatine clone, but
he's a palpatine clone.
He could.
He could actually even be the,a sibling of Rey that's possible
Rey's half-brother.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
We've never explored why we know Palpatine had a son.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And I know some of the newer books we've explored.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
There's some lineages floating around there.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I don't really think that.
I don't really think that, Idon't really think that he's,
I'm just I know.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
But but you know it's not out of the realm of
possibility.
It's like that 12 playoffbracket.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's low but we don't know.
We don't know.
Somehow palpatine returned, sosomehow jod could be a palpatine
clone.
I, I don't, you know.
And it's interesting because ifyou look at, if you look at the
um the emperor reborn from theeu, I could see the resemblance
(16:13):
between, between jude law and,you know, the, the way that
palpatine, a young palpatine,was depicted.
Yeah, I don't think that, thatthat jod is in any way related
to palpatine.
I just I think it would be fun,though it would be so bad it
would.
It would jump all the sharks ifthat was.
(16:33):
If that was the case, though,if you know, he was in any way
related to palpatine or anyoneelse.
So I don't know, I don't know.
I'm I'm really excited to seeI'm excited, but I'm also a
little bit sad that that thisgreat series is coming to an end
here in just a few days yeah, Iam really hoping that it's not
(16:56):
the end of a series, as it isjust the end of a season I want
to see and I say this in the themost loving way possible I want
to see disney exploit thesechildren until they're adults
and they just can't take itanymore for my own selfish nerdy
needs, because I I have grownto love these kids and I'm so
(17:22):
happy to see their journeys andtheir adventures and I'm having
so much fun on this.
It's such a nostalgia ride thatI just I want more.
I want a season two through 13.
You know I want to see these.
I mean I want it to begenerational, like Harry Potter.
You know I mean we saw thosekids literally grow up from the
(17:45):
age of 10 and into their 20s.
I mean I would love to see thatfor the skeleton crew, but I
don't know.
It would be great.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And I don't know.
We've been told that, dave Fil,it was going to be like this uh
, a first Avengers movie,compilation of the entire Mando
verse and all the Disney plusshows into a into a.
I don't know how these kids fitin with Mando and Grogu and
(18:19):
Bo-Katan and all that yet is.
You know, we'll see whathappens in the finale, whether
this, this shows designed as aone-off or if it's gonna have
some legs or potential I meanit's universally loved.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
At this point I even even the fandom menace has been
really, really quiet.
I've noticed there's not I meanyou can't hate on this show and
for those that have tried, I'veseen there's a couple people
that will.
That will remain namelessbecause I don't want to give
them any press.
But there's been a couple whoare kind of like tertiary fandom
(18:57):
menacers.
They're not like regular starwars content creators.
They generally handle all, allmedia.
So they, you know they'll,they'll attack whatever you know
, but even their audiences.
They tried like a couple oftimes to really go hard on
(19:17):
skeleton crew and their ownaudiences, kind of pushed back,
and then they haven't saidanything since.
So what that tells me is thehit, you know, kind of pushed
back, and then they haven't saidanything since.
So what that tells?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
me is that this is a hit, you know, and I think it
does have legs, crash Absolutely, I think the fandom as a whole,
the real fandom, not just theinternet troll part has learned
the lesson of Jake Lloyd andAhmed Best, where we're going to
start protecting our own,especially the young ones, and
you're not going to hurt, we'renot going to.
There's always going to besomebody that's looking for
(19:48):
clout, that's going to like makeyou know, make some big deal,
that KB has two moms.
Oh well, fight me outside, Idon't care.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
There's been.
You know what I thought?
I really thought that that wasgoing to die on.
That was.
That's such an easy point toattack I've heard nothing.
Yeah, I've heard nothing.
I I mean there's a few littlerumblings and a few little few
little.
It's woke here and there, butit's such minor chatter that it
(20:18):
it's not even registering.
So it's like because the showitself, it it's so solid on so
many levels.
And I also think and I hope Idon't think this, but I hope
this, I hope people are startingto realize that the galaxy far,
far away is not our reality.
(20:39):
There are countless worlds,countless races and species out
there.
Why can't we have space suburbs?
Why can't we have two moms?
You know what I mean.
So it's like it's you've gotall this vast expanse.
Anything's possible, absolutelyanything is possible, and I
(21:02):
think again, I hope that they'vecome to realize this.
I haven't even heard peopletalking shit about the space
suburbs anymore.
That was the number one pointof contention when the the
trailers came out.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
But I think people are just actually legitimately
loving the show yeah, I sawafter, after episode six came
out, I saw one article that wasbasically trying to take Disney
to task for KB being a aplaceholder for people with
(21:37):
disabilities.
And like I saw that article andlike nearly lost my shit Cause
I'm like like really like you,like this is the hell, you want
to die and I like that the St.
Jude kids don't get ready to bethe keyboard warrior.
Yeah, and literally, like I wasgearing up to go off and then I
(22:00):
saw, and then I I just saw itlike, literally within an hour,
like this thing was just gettingratioed to hell and I'm like,
okay, I'm just gonna take a stepback and breathe and let them
deal with that becauseapparently it's under control
yeah, because that's we we talkabout.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You know, everybody talk wants to talk about dei,
right, and you know the, theevil that diversity, equity and
inclusion brings upon the world.
I and I never thought that thatthose things would be
considered evil.
You know, diversity, equity andinclusion, those are all really
good things to have.
But when we're looking at kband I'm glad you brought that up
(22:41):
, because I did I definitely didwant to talk about kb.
But when we're looking at kb,very, very seldom do we see
people in star wars with adisability, where it's talked
about as having a disability.
You know we see people gettheir arms and legs chopped off
and they get.
(23:01):
You know, I mean, shouldn't?
Darth Maul has a disability?
He, he is a disabled corn warsveteran.
And you know, I mean, my boygot chopped in half, but we
don't ever talk about that as adisability.
It's, it's almost like anenhancement.
And then in the book of bobafett mods, you know they're
(23:23):
enhanced.
You know, and now we we get tosee this from the perspective of
kb.
And when we're talking aboutwhat dei is supposed to be,
we're talking about inclusion,we're talking about having a
property where anyone can watchit and they're going to see
(23:44):
people who look like them, andthat just makes it relatable.
So now, if you do have childrenthat have augments you know, I
don't even want to call itdisabilities now, after this
episode, you're augmented,you're in a wheelchair, you have
breathing apparatus, you're notdisabled, you're augmented.
(24:06):
But KB still had the courage tosay I can't do all of the
things that you can do.
Let's have that conversation.
And she wasn't comfortablehaving that conversation at
first and that caused somestress between her and firm.
But by having that conversation, what about those kids out
there watching this show who are, them themselves augmented and
(24:31):
now they're like you know whatkb?
I can relate to, kb, thank you.
I'm gonna tell my friendstomorrow that, guys, I can't run
and jump and climb and do thesethings that you do, and I can't
be quiet about it anymore.
I gotta tell you that, thatepisode was great.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Love it for, for there was as action-wise,
timeline wise, there wasn't alot happening, in that, you know
, the kids fall out of a tubeafter the trip, land in a junk
pile.
Oh wait, we got to get back tothe ship.
That's the episode, and thiswas the Bryce Dallas Howard
episode.
There's a lot of heavy lifting,emotional, just gravitas going
(25:14):
on here.
I like the fact that we got thepairs split up.
Yeah, it was fern yeah neil andkb and win, because you break
the boys and the girls up andnow they get to interact with
each other and they get toactually kind of meet each other
.
Yeah, we, we learned so muchabout each of them because you
know fern's the alpha of thepair and KB, you know, was
(25:39):
afraid to tell her.
I can't keep up with you.
Even now.
You look back at that scene inthe first episode when they're
in the speeder racing together.
You know she's sitting there inthe sidecar like baggage
because she's afraid to tell herlike I can't do that Maybe
where her accident came from.
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
We don't know.
I so want to find out.
Like, what happened to kb?
How did?
But this was her growth episodetoo.
Like we got to see neil whimand fern on their growth
episodes and this was definitelyone for kb, because I was
wondering.
I was like, when are we goingto get to see kb, kind of like
you know, grow a little bit?
And I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I was not disappointed and and the way you
know she talked calmly, talkedbit and I wouldn't, I was not
disappointed.
And then the way she talkedcalmly, talked with him through
how to how to replace, assomeone who's done medical
repairs for family members onthe fly, like my, you know, I've
taken care of my dad.
There've been times where I,you know, they asked me to like,
can you do this procedure anddo it, and it's you're like,
okay, this is somebody I youknow, this is, you know, do it.
(26:39):
And you're like, okay, this issomebody I you know this is, you
know, stressful, yeah, yeah, tosay oh, hey, uh, mold a fuse
before my body decides to shutdown in the middle seconds away
yeah, and he.
You know the fact that he, hewas on the ball and got it done
and I like how at the end she'ssort of like half joking, like
you know.
Thanks for saving my life, jedi, because she knows, oh, that
was like oh, that got me, thatgot me because she knows.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Oh, that got me, that got me in my chest.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
When she said that that got me in my chest, I was
like oh, oh, you don't have tobe jumping into space battles to
be a hero, and I think that's agreat lesson for kids.
You know, sometimes doinglittle things to help people
around you, that's bravery, justas much as space battles and
lightsabers and all that a lotof empowerment a lot of
(27:24):
empowerment going on in in these, in that episode specifically,
um, and then we got to see theonyx cinder.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
What, what?
I was not expecting that.
That was like I knew it had anarmor on it.
We, we learned that from fromthe pirate.
You know the the pirate captaintech is that his text text
something?
Um, we, I know that that he hadinstalled some armor on it.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I, I wasn't expecting this, the whole ass sexy ship,
to pop out and that that's thekey to getting in past the
maelstrom of at at that's.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
The key is that it's an ad at and ship, yeah, and
then and then, uh, when theywere flying through the barrier,
I liked how the uh, the.
The satellite grid startedturning green when it flew by.
I was like I know disney's notgoing to kill kids in a show,
but I was still kind of on theedge.
(28:22):
The satellite grid startedturning green when it flew by.
I was like I know Disney's notgoing to kill kids in a show,
but I was still kind of on theedge of my seat, I'm not going
to lie.
I was like, are they going tomake it?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I know they're going to.
I mean, obviously they're goingto make it, but are they going
to make it For any Disney fans?
Those satellites were hilariousfor me because it reminded me
of the magic bands you wear whenyou go to a Disney park.
When you enter the park, youscan a wristband and the thing
lights up green.
When it's like you know itrecognizes who this is.
As soon as I saw that turngreen, I was like, okay, now you
got to put your fingerprint onthe touchpad and you go in.
(28:48):
That's a Disney park admission.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So completely off topic.
But speaking of the magic bands, I have yet to go to Galaxy's
Edge.
I'm really, really itching togo.
It's not gonna happen this year, probably next year, I hope,
but that's where I got this, bythe way your credit.
Yeah, um, I saw someone onreddit.
They disassembled their uh,their magic band scanner thing
(29:14):
and put it into a glove, andthen so they.
They use the force to to getinto the different places.
They just wave their hand overthe sensors and it's now
installed in in the palm oftheir glove.
I was like god, you're such anerd and I love it I absolutely
love it um that's sweet.
(29:35):
So so these were I'm sorry.
Go ahead, tony.
What were you saying?
I was like that's, that's sweet,that that, that somebody did
that it's such, god I love, lovebeing a nerd, love being a star
wars nerd, and it is such agreat time to be a star wars
nerd.
I used to think there was toomuch star wars happening because
you know, you know when, forthe original trilogy generation,
(29:58):
you know, we got a movie everycouple of years until we didn't.
And then we went like 15 yearswithout a movie, except for the
special editions, which thosewere hit or miss for us.
But so now it's like there's somuch star Wars and I, I, I miss
(30:21):
for us.
But so now it's like there's somuch star wars and I, I, I.
At first I wanted to be a littleupset about that because I'm
like you know what it kind ofloses some of its magic.
But then skeleton crew came outand I was just like no, we're
back, we're back.
I wasn't hating on star wars,by any means, not not to the
level of fandom menace, but Iwas.
I was getting to the pointwhere it was like, oh, okay,
more star wars, let's check itout.
It almost felt like a chore.
(30:42):
It's like well, I'm a star warsfan, I gotta watch this so
let's go, let's do the thing um.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I'm always amazed when marvel fans complain about
the extent of the mc.
There's people saying that theyshould reboot the mcu to the
beginning because oh, it's sohard to keep up, boy, it's like
one or two movies and a coupleTV shows a year and we all know
you got nothing else to do.
So go watch and keep up.
You're going to have to watchMoon Knight, accept it.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Moon Knight was something else.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah, but I mean there's this idea that there's
such a thing as content overload.
Yeah, there can be a little toomuch Star Wars sometimes, but
one of the things I like aboutthe Disney Plus shows is that we
were talking earlier.
People have such shortattention spans that a 35, 40
(31:36):
minute episode, seven, eight arcyou know the skeleton crew
could not work as a movie.
Bob is obsessed with moviemaking movies again instead of
TV shows but this would not dowell.
This would be a flop as a moviebecause it it just doesn't have
the legs to compete with themovies that are out there.
(31:57):
This one you couldn't put thisup against the new Superman
movie and expect to beat it.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
And there's not, there's, there's not enough time
to really to really get intothe characters and really to
become emotionally invested andall that.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
But now, but you get to explore so many different
areas that the tree is branchingthat we have skeleton crew and
and Ray and Andor and Star WarsRebels happening at roughly the
same time and now everybody'sgot an avenue of Star Wars that
they can explore and it's good,I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
It's a great time, tony.
What do you think?
So for me, when we talk aboutcontent, overload, overload and
whatnot?
For me, with star trek, that'swe like wait with a little movie
to me the solo movie.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
No, no, hold on, hold on now.
You said that trek use it withstar trek.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Sorry, my apologies man you're in.
You're in the wrongneighborhood brother.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I love Star Trek too.
Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yes, like for me, the Solo movie was like, don't get
me wrong.
Did I want to know more aboutHan's backstory?
Yeah, but did I need an entiresequence to know how he got his
gun?
No, Did I need an entiresequence to see how he got the
little chain that we, the littlething with the dice that hangs
off of his windshield?
No, I didn't need to see thatand To me, like that's where it
(33:25):
gets annoying.
Sometimes is he like okay,you're gonna give me a whole
show which is gonna give me 5%more over characters depth, and
I'd like I don't need that.
Star Wars is an entire galaxy.
You've got a massive time frameto play with, yet we keep
(33:46):
focusing on the same 60-yearperiod and just beating it to
death.
That's the part that gets to mesometimes.
I still enjoy it.
It's still fun, but, likesomething like this for skeleton
crew we'll see.
Okay, there's maybe a passingreference here or there, but all
in all, we're talking about newcharacters that we've never
(34:07):
explored before.
We're talking about new planets, new plot lines that have
nothing to do with the greaterwar and, and to me, that's great
, like, and that's what I loveabout it.
And like you mentioned, youknow, uh, marvel universe and
sometimes people get bogged downwith that.
To me, no, like, yes, withinthe original, you know, phase
(34:29):
one, two and three of marvel.
Yeah, there's some things thatyou need to watch in order to
keep up and okay, okay, fine, ifthat gets to be too much for
somebody, okay, I guess.
But so far, moon Knight is justMoon Knight.
There was no interaction withany other superhero.
There was nothing else going on.
So see, if you want to watch it, great, and I enjoyed it.
(34:52):
If you don't want to watch it,fine.
Yeah, there's maybe going to bea movie down the road where
they're going to introduce him,and if you haven't watched the
series, you're going to have acouple questions.
But that's fine, you can takeit or leave it, and so for me,
that's not content overload.
That's just okay.
Here's a variety of content.
(35:13):
Pick and choose what you like.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
All right, that's fair.
You know you do bring up a goodpoint too.
You know we are the only timethat we have really stepped
outside of.
You know the, the, theskywalker era is with, with the
acolyte, and that's really thebut other than that we have
(35:40):
still our left and right limithave have taken place either a
little bit before or directlyafter the events of the original
trilogy.
You know we're like you said,it's that same.
You know 60-ish year.
You know era.
You know we, we haven't talkedabout.
(36:02):
You know the old Republic.
You know like going back, youknow a thousand plus years, or
moving ahead to.
You know the, the fell Empire.
You know I can't remember howmany years and ahead that was,
but that was, uh.
But even with that, that'sstill.
You know you're still dealingwith kade skywalker, but it's
(36:23):
not during this time frame.
It's not, you know, becauseright now, during, I mean, we're
in the mando verse.
I know that's the era thatthey're calling it, but luke and
leia are still.
They're still out there kickingit, you know.
So, all of so I think on onelevel it's being done
(36:44):
deliberately to keep us rootedin a familiar galaxy.
You know, keeping it Star Wars,like, if we went back to like
knights of the old republic era,you know, would a lot of the
older fans acclimate to that.
(37:06):
I mean, we've played the games,sure, but you know, would we?
Would we take to that and feelcomfortable in that era the way
that we feel comfortable in this?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
you know, republic, empire, post-empire era, that,
uh, that we all inhabit now Idon't know if you guys remember,
when the prequels came out,there was a lot of.
I remember I was just gettinginto the fan forums, uh,
forcenet, shout out, um, and itwas interesting because there
(37:41):
were, like you're saying, therewere a lot of people, a lot of
casual fans and and non-nerdpeople who knew of star wars as
a cultural thing.
You know, everybody knows whatdarth vader means, but not, you
know.
But they may not know thespecifics, you know, other than
the I am your father.
Um, when the prequels first cameout, there was a little bit of
(38:01):
what's this?
Are we reinventing the like?
Cause it was not the Luke andLeia that we knew.
You know, the fact that Obi-Wanwas a young man was like
shocking for some people.
You know, like, oh, this isthat old guy from the first
movie who dies.
We're going to, we get to seehim.
You know, it took a little timeto acclimate the non, shall we
(38:23):
say, outside the circle of nerds.
Sure, the diehard fans, youknow, even the diehard fans, you
know, complain because itdidn't fit their head canon, and
that's where a lot of thereplay came from.
Yeah, but for the casual fan,the everyday movie goer.
There was a little bit of thisis Star Wars before Star Wars
and I feel like this is the samething with Skeleton Crew, where
this is Star Wars in betweenthe two trilogies.
(38:47):
You know I love that.
See going back to the episodeon the resort planet when the
kids see the X-Wings chasing thepirates.
I love how Wim finally makesthe connection as a proud member
of the fraternity the X-Wingsare the good guys Right right.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
But what you were saying too, though with the
prequels there is still, Eventhough that we are seeing, you
know, new things, new characters, we're getting origin stories.
There's still that connectivetissue, you know, there's still
the.
There's still that familiarityWe've still, we're still seeing
Tatooine.
(39:27):
We're we're seeing, you know,we're hearing the names Obi-Wan,
Kenobi, Palpatine, Alderaan.
You know there's, you know,Coruscant.
You know there's still thesethings.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Although I don't think Coruscant, you know,
there's still these things,although I don't think Coruscant
was ever mentioned in theoriginal trilogy, not until the
special edition.
That came from the EU and then,when they did the special
edition, they retro it intoReturn of the Jedi.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, and because that was just the celebration,
right, yeah, so, but but westill had, you know, we had the
Skywalker name.
We had again, you know,tatooine.
We had these, these points offamiliarity for older fans to be
able to connect to, and I thinkthat was that was something
they.
They did with the sequels aswell.
(40:12):
You know that that first, youknow episode seven, you know
that was people complained thatit was too much like the
original trilogy, that some ofit was just like almost shot for
shot, like you know, things outof the original trilogy.
But I was, I was kind ofgrateful for that because when I
(40:33):
saw it in the theater, I was, Iwas like, okay, that's not
tatooine, but it's desert planet.
So I, okay, I'm feeling thatand seeing the falcon and all
you know.
So I I think we're always goingto need that.
I think we I don't know if we'llever really escape this
particular era because I, tony,like you said, they're just kind
of like they're beating thisera to death, like it's like
(40:55):
every story is happening in thistime frame and now, with the
skeleton crew taking place, Iguess, kind of parallel to the
events of the mandalorian, youknow.
But but there's more stories totell in this.
It's like it's comfortable, youknow it's.
It's like it's a comfortableera and there's, like you said,
(41:15):
it's a.
It's a big galaxy, so there's alot of stories to tell.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
So exactly that's getting like I understand you
make a good point about, like,if you go all the way back to to
old republic, like you knowthere's some, there's just a
level of familiarity you'regonna lose, and I get that and
that's fine.
But, like again, it's a biggalaxy.
You can tell a story like thisone.
You can tell a story like andor where it's the hey.
(41:41):
It doesn't all have to be aboutthe skywalker family.
It doesn't all have to be aboutthis war between the empire and
the resistance, like there's amuch wider group of stories that
you can tell within that sameuniverse to keep us invested
without just beating the samedrum over and over and over, and
(42:03):
this is, this is one of them.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
I mean, this is, you know, and I just love it.
All right, so we're gonna.
We're gonna wrap up real quick,um, but I I wanted to.
I don't know if this was athing, I feel like it was, but
when, when, when jod was in thevault, when he first went to the
vault, they said he asked youknow how many vaults are there?
(42:26):
They said there was 1139 vaults, like on the planet, like this
was not the only one.
So I don't know if it's so, ifyou, they're in that one vault.
So there is still 1138 vaultsremaining 1138.
(42:50):
Thx 1138.
The George Lucas, his firstfilm that he ever made.
I mean, they reference that THx1138 is just sprinkled all
throughout star wars lore.
So I'm wondering if that wasthat had to have been done on
purpose that's not a randomnumber that's not a yeah, yeah
(43:12):
there's two thousand volts,there's two there, there's, you
know, a thousand volts, but yeah, I can see somebody in the
writer's room doing a price isright.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
We're like 11, 38, 11 , 39 drew, you know, just make
up a random, you know plus oneto throw off the fan easter egg
hunting.
But yeah, that was a cutelittle.
Yeah, we get the.
Oh, I feel like captain, I getthat reference right, oh, I love
it.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
I, when I when I heard, I was like wait a minute,
that's 11.
So there's 11, 138 volts Likeyou sneaky, crafty nerds.
I love it.
All right, so we're going towrap up predictions for the
final episode, episode eight,which again is coming out here
(43:57):
in just a few days.
Um crash go.
What are your predictions?
What are we going to see?
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Oh, I know there's one clip that leaked out of
William and his dad on a speeder.
I feel like the kids are goingto break out, obviously, but I
think the families are going toget involved.
I loved real quickly thebeginning, the parents sending
up that beacon.
You know again Neil Nationrepresent.
(44:25):
But Neil's mom was likefearless about just okay, I have
stubby legs but I'll outrun thesecurity droids, let's go.
I have a feeling the familiesare going to fight back and it's
going to be fun to watch themkind of rebel against John even
with his lightsaber.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Okay, all right, tony .
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, in the same vein I know we talked about it
in one of the previous episodeswhere when Wim's father got
frustrated with the fact thatthe droids weren't going to do
anything and it was very clearthat that that they were kind of
on their own as far as tryingto get their kids back.
You know, we talked about thatmoment where he puts his glasses
(45:06):
down and he's just like, yeah,I mean, you know, just in his
head, you know he's just gettingready to go to war, and we
didn't really see a lot of it.
But I think now is where we'regoing to catch up to us okay,
all right.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Oh, I'm looking forward to it.
I think we're gonna.
I think we're gonna have aconnection between the
supervisor and um, the originalpirate tech.
I can't remember his full name.
I thought it's tech tech renardbrandar rendar okay, I think
(45:43):
that there's going to be aconnection there, because I
think the onyx cinder crashed onon anton hundreds of years ago
I don't think it was even ahundred years ago, I want to say
it was hundreds, plural, um.
And I think there's going to bea connection between the
captain and the uh, the theplanet supervisor, um, I don't
(46:09):
know, sherry.
Sherry said that the supervisoris probably going to be a droid
.
She really feels that thesupervisor might be a droid.
I, I don't think I disagreewith that I'm with her on that
yeah, so we'll see what happens.
Um, I think it would.
I would like for it to come outthat jod was one of the
(46:32):
younglings that escaped anakin'sslaughter.
Um, I don't know if that'sgoing to happen or not.
Again, that might be jumpingthe shark a little bit, but of
course, everything, everythingin star wars, jumps the shark.
The fact that darth vader isluke skywalker's father, that's
that's.
You're jumping jaws on that one.
I mean it's just, but it's fine.
(46:54):
But that's why we love starwars.
It's corny like that.
So i't do you guys think Jodwill be in any way related to
anything from the originaltrilogy or the prequels at all?
Speaker 2 (47:10):
No trash.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
You're saying no.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I've heard stories and I saw a couple articles, but
I didn't read too much intothem Cause I kind of want to be
surprised by it if it happens.
Uh, but there was talk read toomuch into them because I kind
of want to be surprised by it ifit happens.
But there was talk about thefact that Silvo, which is one of
John's aliases, was a directcompetitor with Han Ooh.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
That would be for some good comics.
If it did, you know like youcould do it animated or in comic
form all right.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
So it's gonna be.
It is gonna be a good ride.
I'm looking forward to it and,uh, so we will meet back here
next week to discuss episodeeight.
Episode 8, I'm getting excited.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
I love it alright so that's gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
You guys have anything to say on the way out
hey, can we give a shout out toSM33 that punch when he just
cold cocked Silva right in themask right in the mind.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
he really did Like in Friday you got knocked the fuck
out.
That was he.
Put him on his computer.
That was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Can we all give it a left lean?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Damn, go ahead, smee, you cool motherfucker.
Nick Frost voicing Smee.
I never would have put thattogether, because he does such a
great job I love it.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
That would be a fun little twist.
It's supervisor.
You said it's a droid and it'slike one of it's another Smee.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
That would be some shit, wouldn't it.
Yeah, everything's up in theair at this point and this is
another reason I love this showis that I some, some things you
can kind of predict, some thingsare totally predictable.
You're like that's gonna happen, this is gonna happen, that's
that person, blah, blah,whatever.
I got nothing.
I mean I've got nothing, I justI don't know, it's.
(49:20):
It's like game of thrones, butwithout the the death,
dismemberment and incest.
It's.
You know, it's pretty cool.
Yeah, I don't know, I don'tknow, we'll see what happens.
Oh, and speaking of game ofthrones, someone had posted
something on reddit um, theymade an intro for um, I thought
(49:44):
it was prequel, but they, theymade a mock intro based off of
the house of cards intro, the tvshow house of cards.
I'm not aware.
I'm aware of it.
I've never seen it, but peoplein the comment comments were
wondering if if a a Game ofThrones-style political intrigue
sort of Star Wars show wouldwork or not.
(50:06):
And I don't know.
It would have to be on HBO, itwould have to be, you know,
pretty hardcore, but you'd haveto have some other shit going on
.
But I mean, I don't know, Idon't know.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
We can talk about that.
Yeah, isn't that the Clone Wars?
I mean, I don't know, I don'tknow we can talk about that.
Yeah, isn't that the Clone Wars?
I mean, am I missing?
Speaker 3 (50:24):
something In a way, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, it is, but again without there's death and
dismemberment.
For sure, in the Clone Warsit's not a whole lot of incest.
So if that's what you want yourpolitical intrigue, I guess you
know back over to Game ofThrones with you, but we'll see
what happens.
All right.
So, speaking of the Clone Wars,if you are listening to our
other podcast, star Wars SafeSpace, we're going to be
(50:48):
starting our very next seasonand we're going to be going into
season four of the Clone Warswhere things do start taking a
turn and it does start getting alittle bit heavy and not not
heavy.
Crash in the group chat, notheavy.
(51:09):
Rip to heavy.
Our clone brother all right, allright, fellas, we will.
Uh, we will see y'all see youon the flip side all right,
thanks for joining us, starwarriors, and we will see you
all.
See you on the flip side.
All right, thanks for joiningus, star Warriors, and we will
see you next week.
Bye, bye, bye, thank you.
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