February 17, 2025 • 58 mins
The Skeleton Crew finale exceeds expectations by resolving character arcs while simultaneously posing new questions about the galaxy's future. With Jod's complexity and the revelation of At Atin's potential, the rich storytelling invites viewers to reflect on the possibilities ahead.
• Final thoughts on Skeleton Crew
• Exploration of Jod's character
• Introduction of prominent themes in Episode
• Impact of wealth from Ad Aten on The New Republic
• Future possibilities and speculation
• Kids' heroism and character evolution
• Discussion of cameo expectations
• Overall significance of Skeleton Crew in the Star Wars franchise
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hey, welcome back Star Warriors to another
Skeleton Crew review.
Sigh, all right, let's dointroductions first and then
we're going to dive right in,all right?
So from my left, you're right,Star of stage and screen.
(00:48):
Oh no, that's Sherry's.
That's Sherry's intro Fromparts unknown.
It is tea to the Oni.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
And pilot of the infamous Parma Flyer is Crash.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Hey everybody, s-foil's locked, Ready to go.
Let's do this.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
There we go, there we go, and I am Tommy D, so I'm
just going to say it right nowbefore we, like, really, really
dive in, because there's so muchto unpack with this episode.
The last episode, final episodeof uh, skeleton crew.
It is by far, without question,my favorite star wars tv show,
(01:39):
like bar none that's a big,that's a high bar and I kind of
agree.
I mean there's some good shows.
I mean I like the mandalorian,I love rebels, I love clone wars
, but man skeleton crew justnailed it, just nailed it.
(02:01):
All right, so now?
So, now that the show's wrappedthoughts, tony, tell us what
are your final thoughts here onSkeleton Crew.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I mean this was just really well done and I like the
fact that, yes, I didn'ttechnically show Jod dying or
anything, so in theory thecharacter could still exist if
they decided that they wanted totry for a second season or do
something we're going to get tothat, all in all, I really like
(02:33):
the fact that, while it can beopen-ended, I think it told a
good story and completed thatstory.
I'm okay if it doesn't have asecond season.
I'd be a little disappointedbecause, again, I think it's
been great.
But I do like the fact thatthey tied off all the loose ends
that they needed to and told afull story without having to
(02:56):
leave those cliffhangers oranything else.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
All right, that's fair Crash.
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think this is.
I think this is one of the bestwritten star wars shows.
I know that's a term a lot ofhaters like to throw about bad
writing this, bad writing thatwell, yeah, that's just an
excuse.
They hide it's an excuse to say, well, I didn't like it, so it
must be bad, right?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
no, this is good writing, that's the excuse they
use oh, there's, there's,there's, there's women and
minorities in it.
But you know what?
I'm not a racist and I'm notsexist, so I'm just going to say
it's bad writing.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, this had layers to it, this had depth to it and
even the things that we werekind of like as we were going
along with certain things.
I couldn't wait On our privatechat.
I had to throw together a quickmeme, because when Neil finds
the turret that we kind oflearned that the schools had, I
(03:50):
was like, oh yeah, my diehardbrain kicked in immediately and
I was like now I have a turbolaser.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Ho ho ho, I was thinking like, like for me.
I was thinking like, um, likefrom Iron man when he was like
when, when, uh, Tony Stark, hewas like oh yeah, I can fly.
I'm thinking for Neil.
It's like oh yeah, I've got aturbo laser, yeah, and and just
(04:18):
the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You know the, the chase and and and the dad
getting involved and him sort ofI don't want to say
experiencing the excitement of,you know, dad got the parents
got in on it and it was kind ofyou know it was.
There was a lot of good acting,a good writing, good
performance.
It was just a really good starWars show and, for all of the
(04:40):
hate that past shows have gottenyou know for, for for something
that may be a standalone seriesyeah, I'm still trying to
figure out how this is going tocould tie into a Dave Filoni
compilation movie Eventually.
If it's not, I'm not upsetbecause it was just good content
.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, yeah.
So now are we?
Are we disappointed that wedidn't get any, uh, any other
cameos from any other series?
I know?
Additionally, initially, myselfincluded, there were
predictions that you knowbecause it's it's Filoni, it's
our Lord and savior, he likes tohave his cameos, he loves his
characters.
(05:19):
There were predictions that youknow because it's it's feloni,
it's our lord and savior, helikes to have his cameos, he
loves his characters.
I was thinking we would seesome sort of clone, or you know,
ahsoka's out there kicking itin the galaxy.
Grogu din, they're all outthere.
(05:39):
But we didn't see anyone,except for the pirate whose name
I always forget, but you knowwhat I'm talking about.
Yeah, no-nose guy, the Nikto,what is his name?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well, his species is a Nikto.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
He's a Nikto, yeah, but I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
We'll drop that in post, no biggie.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Keeper of the Holocron.
Keeper of the Holocron.
Keeper of the Holocron.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I can't.
I'm actually looking upsomething else at the moment
here.
The only other cameo that Icould have thought of was if
maybe one of the pilots thatcomes to the rescue at the end
was Trapper Wolf or the otherguy that we saw in Mandalorian.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Carson Teva.
Yeah, I was expecting to see himas the kind of Agent Coulson of
the Filoni-verse where he'stied into everything, and I
would have liked to have seen it.
And at the same time I'm kindof cool that they're developing
new guys in these cockpit shots.
It's like okay, there's morethan just Wedge Antilles in the
galaxy.
You know, yeah, of course.
(06:46):
So it's interesting thatthey're expanding the.
You know, I'm still holding outhope for a Rogue Squadron like
Patty Jenkins and MichaelStackpole don't fail me now but
I'm still holding out hope foran X-Wing Rogue Squadron movie.
And the more they develop someof these side characters, I'm
like there's potential.
(07:07):
You could do a Fighter Squadronmovie and make it sell.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Oh, absolutely Vane is the pirate's name, by the way
.
Okay, so so there's just somuch to unpack, so we're okay
with not having any cameos.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Crossovers, cross-pollination, everybody's
okay with that I think it wouldhave been okay, like when the
corvette showed up.
I think there was a lot ofimplied like as soon as the
x-wings and the b-wing and I'llget into that later and and as
soon as that corvette pulled upthat's to me the signature lay.
A ship like senator organamight have led the mission and
(07:52):
my brain immediately was kickinginto you know the new republic.
Yeah, just literally fell on agold mine.
You know they're.
You know they're going to kindof do what jod wanted to do is
basically, you just found thispile of money.
Okay, how do you acclimate thisculture, this planet of people
who've been isolated for so long, into the modern galaxy?
(08:13):
Right, and all of a sudden, theconnections.
You know Wim picking up thatlightsaber.
Uh, my sister and I weretalking this morning on the
drive to work going, oh God,please, you want them to almost
like meet luke and and and and.
Think what would be great ifwim started training as a jedi
and immediately with us, andthen ben kills him.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
You know it's a double-edged lightsaber no, no,
wim wim is going to be joiningthe new republic.
He wants to be an x-wing pilot.
The, the way well, yeah, I meanthe way that he looked at those
x-wings and that shot at the endof him looking up into the
night sky the x-wings flyoverhead, literally a whole
(08:54):
galaxy of opportunity is aheadof him and the rest of the kids
he that that boy is going to bean x-wing pilot.
And how cool would it be if we,if we see whim again, jump in
the future 10 ish years and weget that rogue squadron movie.
(09:17):
You know like that, that era,like because we're still, we're
still pre new order but we stillgot a long way to go to get to
new order.
So we still need X-wing pilots.
You know between skeleton crewand you know the new order.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I think Fern's running for president of at at.
I think, yeah, this girl gotthe planet under.
You know she's got.
You know mom might be theadministrator but like this girl
knows what's up and with thisnew culture coming in, and then
all the fern seems to be themost street savvy person on this
planet I'm thinking fern isgoing to get into smuggling or I
(09:59):
could see I could see her andkb getting a ship and totally
going han solo, like a hundredpercent.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
If anyone.
Honestly, if anyone's gonna endup running at atten, it'll
probably be neil.
I could see neil being thesupervisor literally neil nation
, I like neil nation.
Yes, yes, I mean he's.
He's level-headed, he's cool,he's fair.
You know he's compassionate,he's kind, but he's level-headed
(10:28):
, he's cool, he's fair, he'scompassionate, he's kind, but
he's still be firm if he needsto.
He's not afraid of pulling thetrigger and he bathes regularly
and he bathes often.
That dude is in the tub, butyou know what?
You can't be mad at it.
It because, after a longadventure through unknown
territories in space benear-death experiences my dude
(10:52):
needed a bath sometimes you justneed a hot soak and he and I, I
love that neil is in thebiggest bathtub ever.
It's like, just it's so, it'slike the, it's like the, the tub
in, uh, in the harry pottermovie, uh, the, the goblet of
fire where they had to open upthe, the egg under the water,
(11:14):
this gigantic like bathtub thatcan like comfortably hold like
30 people.
And, uh, that's, that's neil.
So I, I don't know that's,that's what I'm thinking.
So, question, question,question.
We're going to get to Jod in asecond.
Oh, my brain's all over theplace because there's so much to
(11:35):
talk about the B-Wings.
The B-Wings strike how cool wasthat?
We've only ever seen that in, Ithink, rebels.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, well, I was going to break your spoiler rule
a little bit.
It's fascinating because, again, we will see the prototype
B-Wing as a beamblockade-busting starship later
on when we watch Rebels, whichis further back in the timeline.
Sure, we've never actually seena b-wing in combat.
(12:11):
You know there's been a quarryart, but yeah, it was like not
live action explosions behind it.
Already I'm a big fan.
I having a midlife crisis aboutthe old x-wing computer game
from the 90s where you flewB-Wings and those things were
just heavy proton torpedo-ladenmonsters and I'm like wait a
(12:32):
minute.
When they introduced the beamweapon in Rebels I went, wait a
minute.
Okay, is this thing a miniDeath Star tech or is this just
a torpedo-launching super bomber?
The fact that we've seen it inlive action.
Still, as you know, theprototype has evolved.
You know that's the standard tobe wing now is a beam firing
starship.
(12:52):
I was like where were those atexegol?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
yeah, things are badass yeah, it was so fun to
watch them.
So okay, so at atton, barrier'spresumably destroyed at this
point.
I think that was the.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I don't think you can turn it back.
It's not like an electric fenceyou can't turn it off.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think we're done.
I think we're done with thebarrier.
The ramifications for theplanet now are immense.
But I am curious about onething they did say we talked
about this last week a littlebit um, they said there were
over a thousand other vaults.
(13:33):
I think they said on at addon,right, there were like over a
thousand other vaults um 11, 38,1138.
Does that mean that there are athousand other cities
potentially?
Is this the only city on AdAten?
Do we know?
We don't know.
(13:54):
We don't know.
I don't think we do.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
And that's an interesting.
What do we think?
I think it's you know, theplanets, even like Ad Akron and
Ad Kyoga Heights, and all those,the planets even at Akron and
at Cuyahoga Heights, and allthose they all seem to be built
around a core suburbanmetropolis setting.
I would not be surprised if thevaults are multiple vaults in
that complex.
(14:16):
We just saw one.
There could be plenty of othervaults in the complex.
They took Jod to one of themand his plan was to literally
just have the people literallyjust unload the whole place as
needed.
I think it's all focused inthat one area and that's why the
(14:39):
woods and everything else aresort of off-limits.
It's easy to control thepopulation if they're all in one
place.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So that makes sense.
That would simplify things.
You only have.
I'm sure that they'repracticing population control as
well, because everything wasjust precision fine-tuned.
So everyone served a purpose,everybody served a purpose,
everybody served a purpose.
So, yeah, maybe that was theonly other city, because Star
(15:13):
Wars is fond of doing that.
I have an entire planet, butthere's only one city on it
Except.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Tatooine, tatooine.
We've got Mos Eisley, mos Espa,we've been to a few different
places on tatooine.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Tatooine, we've got moss icely, moss espa.
We've, you know, we've been toa few different places on
tatooine.
But, um, most other planetswe're like, you know, the like
naboo right, feed we don't hear.
I mean, feed cannot be the onlyother city.
It's the capital.
We know that it's the capitalof naboo, but feed can't be the
(15:44):
only other city on the's thecapital.
We know that it's the capitalof Naboo, but Feed can't be the
only other city on the entirefreaking planet.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, the Lake Country has a few homes probably
.
Sure, there's the cityunderwater.
But I think Star Wars allsci-fi sort of has this
recurring trope of well, wevisit a planet and where we land
is the epicenter of thecivilization.
Nobody ever lands out in theboonies.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Nothing else here.
There's just this one spot andthere's nothing else.
So what are your thoughts?
I'm curious, what are yourthoughts on the future of At-At,
on the future of at atten?
(16:31):
What does this mean for theplanet, in potentially, the
galaxy at large, and I assumethe new republic was well aware
of at atten's presence or not?
What do we think, tony?
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
um, I'm not sure.
To be honest.
I think that if they had beenaware that there would be more
things happening, I mean, Idon't know, they left that very
ambiguous and open-ended, and Ithink that's done on purpose,
(17:02):
because you don't want to writeyourself into a corner.
I mean, as far as you know,like you know we talked about,
you know, is this the only cityon the planet?
It's probably not just because,I mean, even if you have
multiple vaults in one area, youcan't possibly have that many
in just one space, but there'sno way that you've got only one
(17:25):
place that can turn off theentire defense grid for the
planet.
So, and the fact that, you know, jod takes out the supervisor
and like pretty much the entireplanet as far as we can see,
power goes out and all thedroids stop working.
So, even if there are otherareas, this was definitely the
(17:48):
central location, right, um, butI mean, that's neither here nor
there.
Uh, as far as the new republicand their knowledge, yeah, it's
very open-ended on that.
Um, the fact that kim was ableto get people there, that
quickly tells me that they hadto at least have an inkling.
(18:08):
I mean, maybe they just knew.
Hey, so long as the defensegoods up, there's absolutely
nothing we can do, so we're justnot going to bother trying to
do anything.
But at least they were aware ofit enough that once it came
down they were able to be therewithin literally minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Right, and also I don't know if it's been said or
if we know yet, but do we knowwhere Atten is situated in the
galaxy?
You know what I mean it youknow, the outer rim is the outer
(18:50):
rim or mid-rim.
I mean where, where is it inthe galaxy?
I don't know, I don't know andI don't know if that's I haven't
seen an official updated map.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Since the show started.
There's been a lot of canonshifting and they had big maps
that the RPG nerds worked outwhere each of the planets were.
I haven't seen one thatincluded Ad Aten, so it could be
anywhere.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
According to a quick Google search, ad Aten is in the
Qoili sector, relatively closeto Dathomir, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So okay, it's in a strategically known area and,
dare I say, yeah, there's somany implications where you
think, okay, going back toAhsoka, thrawn's floating around
now around Dathomir, we know,is that going to put, you know,
a planet like this in contention?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
It could.
Where did you find that?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I just did a quick Google search on that and this
is coming up with um, oh, let'ssee here.
Uh, so this is coming from thetimescom the timescom.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
okay, because I don't know if I've seen anything on
the official wiki.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So they're saying this was after episode 6 came
out when they showed thecoordinates.
People, I guess, have figuredout where those coordinates
would be.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I love nerds Right.
I love nerds Right.
I love nerds for doing that.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I like how Kim was able to get.
It.
Takes me five minutes to readthrough my sister's text
messages.
Kim gets a text with thecoordinates from KB and three
seconds later she's like oh,I've already plotted a path,
I've already called the X-Wingsand gave them the right, and we
got it.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
So that that we do learn more about the eight
planets.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
The biggest thing, I think, is the impact on that
possibly joining the NewRepublic.
It's not official member yet.
Even the Mandalorian.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Okay, so this just makes me laugh a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh, you're breaking up, tony, you're breaking up,
tony, you're breaking up.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Tony, your comms are being canned.
Damn it.
I hate when they do that.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Tony.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Still there.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Go ahead, let me see what I can do on my end.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Okay, All right, you're good You're coming in.
Go ahead, let me see what I cando on my end.
Okay, all right, you're good,you're coming in Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So according to Wikipedia, the sector for AATN
is A113.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Wait, say that again.
The first part broke, so yousaid according to Wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
According to Wikipedia, the sector that Atten
is in is A113.
Wasn't that Princess Cell,which is, of course, the Exar
reference A what?
A23.
A113.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Okay, a, what a a a?
113 okay the Pixar reference.
That's right.
That's the.
What is it?
The office or the studio, Ithink something like that it was
.
I thought a yeah, that was.
I think that the Pixar officeor something like that, the
(22:53):
studio or office or somethinglike that, or the studio or
building number or somethinglike that.
So, all right, well, that'spretty interesting.
So now we've got a sector, sothat's pretty cool, and it looks
like there's some stuff in StarWars Insider about it as well,
(23:13):
but we can be back at anothertime, yeah, so Alright, I gotta
stop doing this stuff.
I can't do two things at once.
I can't multitask.
So great, great episode, as weknow, the best Star Wars TV show
(23:34):
of all time, ever, ever, exceptfor the holiday special.
Um, let's talk about john,let's talk about that individual
.
So we we learned that he hassome childhood trauma, pretty
severe childhood trauma,obviously, that he had force
(23:54):
potential, was trained,presumably sometime after order
66, um, or during.
Well, sometimes after 66 wasissued.
Um, we learned that he wastrained a bit by a female jedi
(24:15):
who was then murdered in frontof him, which of course is going
to give that that man a littlebit of trauma.
So, not a Jedi, for sensitiveknows a couple of things.
So we, we kind of thought thatanyway, because he was, he was,
he was using, you know, a Jedinomenclature.
(24:36):
Basically he was talking aboutthings that usually only the
Jedi talk about.
So what happened to him?
What do we think happened tohim?
He didn't die.
He's just standing there in thesupervisor's office.
What's left of it?
And do we presume he's going tobe arrested?
(24:56):
Uh, did he get away?
What are your thoughts, tony?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
um, I mean honestly, I don't know.
Uh, and again, this is one ofthe things where they left it
very open-ended.
So there's potential to do asecond season if they want to.
Um, right now, I'm perfectlycontent not knowing the answer
to that.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Okay um, that's fair crash.
What about you?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I the thing that struck me most about him.
Hey, this is a very Jod centricepisode.
Yeah, um, they got the, theygot the tragic backstory.
Yeah, there were a lot ofspeculations about what you know
.
Was he a full trained jedi?
Was he self-taught?
A little both?
Yeah, you know he learned somebasic.
I think he maybe practiced whatlittle he knew and got you know
(25:44):
and applied it to scammingpeople the way he does.
Um, I did love that one scene,as the pirate ship is flying by
the you know, burning andcrashing by the window and you
see him look at it and I justgot a sense of he's already
cooked up an escape plan wherehe's gonna lay.
(26:06):
I think he's gonna lay low and,as you know, the new republic
comes.
Relief efforts, whatever youwant to call it.
His odds of slipping outincrease the longer.
You know.
It's like the old adage youknow, if you're, if you're
running from the cops, walk,don't run, right, I think he's
going to kind of hang.
(26:27):
He doesn't have to walk downMain Street and be spotted
because you know people did seehim.
There's a lot of confusionhappening right now, yeah, but
once ships start coming in andout New Republic people start
coming in and out with reliefefforts, it'd be real easy for
him to pull a Cad Bane, swapuniforms with somebody and sneak
out the back door.
Yeah, yeah, and I think Wimknows that when they got in the
(26:51):
elevator and he just looked atthem, it was like there was that
kind of recognition of, or justlet him get away.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I don't know, I thought, I thought maybe Wim was
trying to save him.
I thought Wim was reaching outto him.
Maybe Wim thought that, youknow, the tower was going to be
destroyed or something, and hewas even through everything, w
when was potentially reachingout to jod to, to save him,
maybe literally and figuratively, you know, save him physically.
(27:19):
But then also, maybe you know,help him on his, uh, his
redemption arc.
You know, along those lines,maybe, I don't know, I don't
know, I, I feel like he's just,I feel like he's just defeated.
At this point, I, I, I wasmulling it over.
Is he gonna run, is he gonnatry to?
You know he's slippery, we knowthat.
(27:40):
But I, I, at the same time, Iwe've seen multiple times he
doesn't try to escape.
That's never been his thing.
You know he's.
He was in the brig.
You know when we first, youknow, when we encounter him, you
know, without his helmet andall that for the first time.
(28:01):
You know he's in the brig.
Um, when they were on at akron,he gave himself up very easily
and just said you know what,just kill me.
You know he was.
You know, and even in thesupervisor's tower he dropped
his gun.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
You know he surrendered to Wim and Fern
there was a moment where, evenwhen he was threatening Wim's
dad and everybody, you know, itkind of goes back to the Tack
Renard layer where he could havejust slipped the kid's throat
in the challenge and took itover.
(28:43):
He didn't want to.
He didn't want to be themurderer, he didn't want to harm
innocent people.
Even when his crew was takingover the town, he told them
don't hurt them unless you haveto.
Even if they were harmed, don'thurt them if you have to.
I need these people to work forthis gold mine I just found.
(29:04):
So I think there was just thisreluctance.
I hate the anti-hero label oncertain characters, but it was
just.
It's not that he's a bad guy,he's just a guy doing bad things
.
Nah, he's a bad guy, he's a badguy.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
He's a bad guy.
I don't think he's an anti-hero.
I don't, yeah, I don't.
I don't get anti-hero vibesfrom it.
He's reluctant.
He even said I don't want tokill anyone.
I don't want to.
I'm not giving them an out onthat, but it's just.
Yeah, I don't want to destroythe planet, I don't want to, you
know, destroy this beautifulplace.
I just want my money, right,you know.
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And he'll do whatever it takes.
He'll threaten, he'll lie,he'll cheat, he'll steal, he
will potentially kill to getthis money.
But he doesn't.
Just because he doesn't want todoesn't mean that he won't
right.
He sauced brutus, but who cares?
Brutus had it coming yeah, atsome point.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
At some point.
If he didn't, brutus was goingto kill him either way, so like
that was completelyunderstandable.
So that was where.
Where for me, the line wasdrawn was the you're.
He's standing in one vault thathas more money than he or
anybody has ever seen.
He knows there's a thousandother ones on this planet.
Yep, if he just said, listen,load up my ship, load up the
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other ship and we're gone, okay,you know what?
Maybe I can give him somepartial credit for not being a
bad guy.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
He tried making that deal.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
But when it's no, you're all going to stay here
and you're, and we're just goingto keep taking this Like, yeah,
I'm going to rule.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
That's the yeah I'm going to rule the planet, you're
all my slaves.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, and that's the thing.
Like personally me, I wouldrather die, I would rather be
murdered than be a slave.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
He was willing to enslave the entire city.
That ain't an anti-hero, that'sa bad guy.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah, I mean he tried selling that to Fern's mom.
You know he said you know, just, you know we'll take our share
and be gone.
We're all sitting here behindthe screen going, no, you're not
, you're going to take it.
It was like when he made apartnership to take the kids
home.
We know you're going to flip onthem.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
The second, you get the upper hand and the amount,
the amount of credits that werein the Onyx cinder would have
been enough to set him and hisentire crew up for life.
Oh yeah, just that amount, afraction of what's in the vaults
.
But greed got the better of him.
And childhood trauma.
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I mean, the dude's messed up.
He's a complex character.
I, I, I do like that.
He's layered.
That there is.
He does have conflict, he doesstruggle with you know more of
the uh, the violent nature ofpiracy.
But he is a greedy,self-serving son of a bitch, no
(32:01):
doubt about it.
And there's.
Could he have a redemption arc?
I don't know.
It's hard.
It's kind of hard to walk awayfrom slavery, but I mean, you
know anakin was able to walkaway from child murder, so I
guess anything is possible inthe galaxy.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Well, I mean personally.
I know what history says, andthe remakes say that, oh well,
he turned back to the good sideand that was good enough for him
to become a Force ghost, and sonow we're considering him back
as being Anakin.
As far as I'm concerned, yeah,he did one good thing at the end
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, but he's still up.
He's still a fucking bill.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I don't care yeah, yeah, a hundred percent it's.
I saw a meme a while ago whereit shows, like you know, on the,
on the top of the meme it shows, you know, it shows anakin and
obi-wan and yoda, all the littleforce ghosts lined up, and then
on the bottom it's like theyounglings, but like in force
ghosts, and they're like what ishe doing here?
(33:01):
Yeah, it's like, uh, yeah,you're not wrong, it's like you
slaughtered, you murderedinnocent children.
However, they were armed.
I will give them that those,the children, were armed um they
had training but it doesn'tmatter.
A weapon is a weapon.
So he didn't murder unarmedchildren.
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He, uh, he defended himselfagainst um, a young armed enemy,
uh, insurgent group.
Now Anakin's a child killer man.
I don't care.
I don't care what you say aboutit.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Joking aside, I'd have to watch that scene again
and zoom in on it.
Are younglings in the town,unless they're doing actual
saber training like the ones wesaw with Yoda in Attack of the
Clones?
I'm not even sure younglingshave their own, their own
lightsaber, yet they might.
You know so I don't think thekids.
You know even the ones we seein the beginning of obi-wan.
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You know the order 66 flashbackand kenobi.
They're doing like tai chistyle stuff, but they weren't
packing lightsabers we don't.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
We don't know that they might always have their,
their lightsabers on them.
Maybe they know that they mightalways have their lightsabers
on them.
Maybe they're in their lunchboxand their coat closet.
We don't know.
But the force itself is aweapon.
They're packing the force.
Okay, they could have all thosechildren, could have all used
the force simultaneously toforce choke poor Anakin, and he
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had no choice but to defendhimself.
Maybe he was like you know what?
I have a change of heart, let'sget you kids out of here.
And they're like no, and theystarted to force choke annie and
he just no, no, no, no, no.
Anakin is a murdering, a childmurdering bastard and he did not
, did not deserve a redemptionarc after you killed children, I
(34:59):
don't care, that's a hot,that's my hot take.
Whatever you threw, you threwan old man down a shaft, okay,
great, you sacrificed yourselfto save your kid, but you
murdered everybody else'schildren.
So there's there's that, and whoknows, and who knows how many
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other you know kids he struckdown during order 66.
How many?
Speaker 1 (35:27):
how many?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
how many other younglings did they uncover?
How many children were on?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Alderaan Well, just think about that one we saw and
kenobi where he was.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
He showed up on the scene and, like you know, he
choked somebody in front oftheir their child, just to draw
kenobi out.
Yeah, he basically killedpeople just for as a
demonstration.
Yeah, yeah, he's, oh yeah,murdering bastard yeah, murder
bastard is.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Is Jod as bad as Vader?
No, he didn't kill children.
Was he willing to, though?
Was he?
He said he didn't want to.
I mean he, and he really fought.
He really fought.
We saw that with Fern.
To just yield, please justyield, like I don't want to do
this.
But just like I don't want todo this.
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But just because you don't wantto do something, does that mean
that you won't do something,would he?
I mean, obviously there's allspeculation after the fact now,
but would he have sauced thosekids or their parents?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
would he say he might have killed the parents.
I don't think he would havekilled the kids, because there
was, like even in that lastepisode there was a point where
Fern was running.
He had his gun on him.
He could have shot her anddidn't he?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
did shoot at her and at first I thought her mom got
him.
I thought he was shooting atthe mom.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I didn't think he was shooting at her.
He tackled her just as the theshot came in, so it might have
been, you know, it might havebeen going for fern's head if
she hadn't fallen down yeah,that's, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Mom tackled fern and because fern was going for it,
so I think he has the capacityto kill children.
So no, that your, youranti-hero status is revoked.
Uh, you know, I could have, Icould have been cool with all
the greed and wanting the goldand let's use the kids to get
the goal and then we're out.
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You know, like like hondo.
Hondo, in my opinion, isborderline, an anti-hero,
borderline, borderline becausehe does.
We do see him help out.
You know anakin and ahsoka fromtime, and obi-wan from time to
time.
You know he, you know, but he'svery self-serving.
But, um, jod, jod is worse.
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Jod is so much worse than thanhonda on the alignment chart I
think of.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Hondo is chaotic, neutral and jod is just straight
jod.
Jod is probably neutral, evillike oh man, laws don't matter,
but but all in all he's just badyeah, yeah, I might even have
(38:09):
to bump, bump, hondo up a littlebit from john.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I mean, yeah, I, I would give, I would give john
lawful or not lawful, but uh,neutral evil, yeah, oh, geez, so
anyway and and as the showprogressed, you really saw, I
want to say, an obsession, theobsession about the treasure.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I mean he, you know, he knows the tack renard tale
and how this guy, you know theythink he plundered at it and
that's where he was.
You know, as the story wentalong, you could see Jod's
mindset, just you know, it wasall about the money and that's
all he could think about.
And the culmination was justgreat because you just saw this
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guy, he just wants that money.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
He wants that Scrooge McDuck money pit.
He does and I get it.
Like he said, when I was yourage, I was living in a hole,
trying to figure out how tosurvive, how to not starve.
That was my worry, that was myconcern.
So you could see that when hecalled them sheltered, spoiled
brats, he was very resentful andjealous of the life that they
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had versus the childhood that hehad and the loss of this
parental know, parental figurein this unknown jedi.
So so, yeah, the guy had.
The guy has a lot of, a lot of,a lot of childhood trauma, a
lot of issues, so but I think hejust wanted to better himself.
(39:53):
But he was just so far gone,like you said, he was so
obsessed with it that hecouldn't see the forest for the
trees anymore.
He was just like, instead ofjust taking my fair share and
then maybe even coming back fromtime to time, I mean he could
have come back to top off.
I mean they were buying thewhole emissary thing.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I mean he could have come back to top off.
I mean they were buying thewhole emissary thing.
I said last week he could havemade a fortune literally just
upholding his end of the dealBring the kids home, hey, a
couple credits for my trouble,load up the ship, whatever and
(40:35):
he could have bailed on his crew.
You know, yeah, literally.
Just you know he was so fixatedon getting the barrier down to
get his you know his second shipand like screw those guys, you
don't, it was you with a, take ahandful of credits and you
don't need them anymore.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
No, I mean, they would they.
They were quick to want to puthis ass out the airlock, right,
oh nah, you don't know them shit.
But he wants, he wants thatpower.
It's not just the money, hewants the power, he wants the
prestige.
You know, he wants all thesethings that he saw that he
wasn't able to attain, you know,at that younger age.
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So that's just been driving himhis entire life.
So I gotta say.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
That's one of the things that I'm, you know, a
little bit of a plot hole for mewas that the whole idea was the
Onyx Indica could get throughbecause it was an ad-attent ship
.
Yeah, the other ship wasn't anad-attent ship.
They didn't disable the, theyhadn't killed the field yet.
(41:27):
How did it get through they?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
gave them the codes, they had the.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Fern's mom.
When he was threatening them,she said I'll give your ship
access.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
How would she know how to do that if she didn't
know how to get the kids home?
What do you mean?
The whole thing was the kidswere out and they were like all
we can do is send a messagesaying we hope you can get back.
But they didn't give them codesto get back through the shield.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Well, they might have done that once they were back
in system, because they had noidea where the kids even were.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah, it kind of put out a blanket call across the
galaxy you don't necessarilywant to give.
Oh, here's how you get in thekey's under the mat by the back
door.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
And it's possible.
She might not have been able towithout full access to the
supervisor's chambers, and oncehe was knocked out and power
restored, now maybe she's gotthe capabilities of doing that.
I don't know.
You're not wrong, though thatis definitely a potential plot
hole there.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
And wasn't it just great that for this planet that
we were told has been cut offfor so long?
I love the supervisor.
You know the planet being runby a droid was on a lot of
people's mind, but I like thefact that even he knows about
Order 66.
Yeah, and that you know thelast time they were contacted by
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the Republic was to say thatknow, jedi are the enemy.
So, going back to your pointfrom the, you know our other
show, papa palpatine never evengot his hands on this sweet cash
right, but it managed to getword out about order 66.
Don't trust the jedi.
And the and the supervisor knewthat.
When this dude walked in, youknow, claiming to be a Jedi For
(43:14):
an artificial intelligence droid, he sort of drew that guy.
Keep feeding him rope so he canhang himself in his own lie.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I'm sorry.
I think Palpatine did knowabout Ad Aten and did have
access to it.
Because I don't know how elseyou fund the war on both fronts
unless you've got access to it.
Because I don't know how elseyou fund the war on both fronts
unless you've got access to thatkind of cash possible?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
yeah, that is possible, but they were
exploiting so many worlds.
I mean they were they weresiphoning resources off and
people were committing money.
I mean especially on theseparatist side yeah, banking
plan more than anything?
oh yeah, the banking clan wasgiving them buku bucks, but it's
afterwards, that's.
So was the last transmissionfrom the republic about order 66
?
And?
(44:04):
And if so, that does?
That also calls to question,you know how?
How long were they isolated,you know, because it it seems
like they had been isolated forhundreds of years.
But if this transmission aboutorder 66 and the jedi being evil
(44:25):
, if that got through, then theyprobably were receiving other
transmissions.
But then at that point, oncethat or once order 66 is
broadcast, was it just radiosilence for at atten and and the
other, the other seven planetsat that point, because the, the
supervisor, didn't seem to knowabout the galactic civil war, or
(44:49):
maybe it, maybe it does, I mean, but it just it didn't talk
about it and it wasn'tpotentially aware of the current
state of the galaxy with thenew republic.
So I mean when?
Speaker 3 (45:02):
so yeah, lots of questions still and an
interesting thing going forwardwith this at att at and being in
out in the galaxy, now I couldsee where the flaws in the new
Republic.
Like it was funny, the episodehadn't even finished yet and I'm
already thinking, you know,like, uh, senator Ziono, you
(45:26):
know, uh from Ahsoka, you knowcomplaining about galactic
inflation and stuff like that.
You know you mentioned that thisinflux of just all this, all
these Republic credits, whichapparently are worth a lot, yeah
, I can see some of the richerplanets in the new Republic
going ho, ho, ho, hold up, we'reused to the top dog around here
, people.
Right, I was just dripping inmoney, but because, again, for
(45:51):
somebody like a senator, orghana, you know, leah would see
this as a okay, we could fix alot of problems, we could help a
lot of people.
I could see other senatorsmaybe saying, look, yeah, but
now my planet's going to loseinfluence and that's a flaw in
the new republic that I feel isgoing to get exploited.
Of course we see that in alater show.
I kind of hope we see thatsomething like that in a later
(46:12):
show, like maybe the first orderdoes get involved with these
people yeah, that's one of thethings that I'm really kind of
looking forward to.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
The future is, even if we don't get a second season
of this show, because this showtakes place within the same time
frame that we've that we keepgoing back to and again, I'm
fine with that like this showcould be the thing of okay, well
, we didn't get that many eastereggs in this show from other
stuff, but there could befallout from this.
(46:40):
That affects a lot of stuff wesee going forward well,
potentially see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Potentially, the the amount of credits on at atten
could destabilize the entiregalactic economy, because just a
few, just a hand like wim'slunch money, I mean could buy
you a ship, I mean basically, Imean there's just there's a lot
of credits on at atten, so youknow and who's, and, like you
(47:10):
said, you know crash, you knowhow are the other senators and
there's always, always politicalleanings, as we know in star
wars.
So I mean who knows how othersent, you know senators, other
systems, how all this is goingto work out.
So I mean that's I'm hopingthat we're going to get.
Maybe, uh, I'd like to see abook about some of the heavier
(47:37):
political, you know the galactic, geopolitical side of things.
I don't know if I'd want towatch it, but I'd be happy
reading something like thatreading something like that, but
it's type thing that that youknow.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Again, I don't think you can make a show out of it,
but I could see it beingreferenced in other shows.
Right, and if you want thatdeep dive, yeah, you need a book
or something like that, yeahbecause either way, at attin's
got a target on it right now.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Oh, yeah, I mean there's a there's a whole galaxy
of promise opened up to them,of course, and the citizens,
because now the citizens have achoice.
They don't have to stay thereand mind the credits anymore,
they don't have to be theseaccountants and they don't have
to do this anymore.
Now they can go out and theycan explore and they can do what
(48:29):
they want.
They can follow their dreams,if they have any.
And so what does that mean forthe planet?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
so a lot of questions and, like you said, you've been
saying, you know when, beingthe sort of the the eyes of the
audience in this show, you knowthe one that's the kind of
dreams of adventure and explain.
I love how the show ended withliterally verne telling well, I
guess you don't have to takeassessment anymore, you don't
have to do your SATs.
(48:56):
Remember those tests we used totake in high school where every
few years, yeah, you don't haveto do that anymore, man, you
can do whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
And then that moment.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
X-Wings and a Corvette are overhead and he's
just looking and smiling out atthe stars.
That boy's going to be anx-wing pilot.
I'm telling you, and I hope, Ihope we see more of these kids,
I hope that we get, we getanother season or two, I hope it
turns into, you know, thestranger, stranger things
(49:25):
phenomenon, where it wassupposed to be a one season
thing and ends up being likewhat?
Six, six seasons.
These kids are in their 30s now.
I mean it's like it's crazy.
But, um, or even a jump ahead,I'm fine with you know, a jump
ahead in the timeline.
Get us closer to new order era,um, and we can see what
direction the kids have takenand maybe there's a team up.
(49:47):
You know that would be a funshow to watch.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah I will say it's.
One of the things that I really, really appreciated about this,
about this episode, was thefact that I mean, first off, you
know these kids have got to beexhausted coming off this huge
trip.
You know they're reunited withtheir families and yet they're
all still dedicated to themission.
They're all still like, themoment the chick goes south, the
moment those pirates show up,they're all like all right, the
(50:10):
mission.
They're all still like.
The moment the chick goes south, the moment those pirates show
up, they're all like all right,we're going back to it.
Like like, like.
No, we're not going to let theparents try and figure it out.
No, this is our problem, we'redealing with it.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
It was the.
It was the speeder bike versionof the ET kids yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
That was just great.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Yeah, the nostalgia of the ET kids chase and that
was just great.
Again, the nostalgia of okay,the kids are in, you know, the
parents don't know what to do.
We'll let the security droids.
I love how William's dad's likeoh, we'll let the security
droids, you mean the droids thatare shut down.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Shut down, dad.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Come on, think it through, dad, on top of that the
fact that they made a point ofand they established it
throughout the series like Neilfinding the cannon on top of the
school, like that's a clearreference to his experience
throughout this whole thing itmade it worth the fact of okay,
(51:06):
we saw that he did that byhimself.
He wasn't with the others whenhe found that.
So when this happens now on hisplanet, he knows what to do and
he accepts that role.
So when this happens now on hisplanet, he knows what to do and
he accepts that role, withoutquestion.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
He just says okay, this is what I'm doing, and KB
befendered Kim, so when theyneeded to call for her, she
literally told him if you everneed me call.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
And she did.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
He was on it.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
And she did.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
And fixed SM-33 enough to help her fly the ship,
because she's the techie sheknows I.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You know, like william's dad, you know, you
kids know how to fly this ship.
Well, you get a little help.
I love it.
And we, we got to see all thekids grow a little bit more and
it was, oh man, I.
I just hope we get more.
I hope we get more.
Supposedly, allegedly I haven'tlooked into official numbers,
but allegedly Skeleton Crew hasthe lowest viewership of any of
(52:03):
the other Disney Star Wars shows, to include the Acolyte.
Know if that's a hundredpercent true or not?
I think the acolyte got a bitof a boost in their their
viewers because of all the hateand controversy that was
surrounding it, so people werewatching it to see.
Um, we didn't get a lot of thatwith skeleton crew.
(52:25):
So I think I think the the theaudience size for skeleton crew.
I feel like that's probablymore indicative of what the
numbers would normally bewithout being skewed by
controversy.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
And it's also a holiday release Exactly that's
where I was going to go is thefact that the timing of this
release is not conducive togetting high ratings, because
it's the holidays, people areout, people are doing things.
You know it's.
It's yeah, I mean, I meanratings because it's the
holidays, people are out, peopleare doing things.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
You know it's.
It's, yeah, I mean, I mean, twoepisodes fell on what?
Christmas eve and new year'seve, yeah, so we, I mean, I
didn't even end up watchinguntil after the fact.
But all right, so great show,great series.
Uh, john and dave, do it again.
As executive producers, you hadsome great writers, great
(53:14):
directors on here.
I was so happy.
I was so happy from start tofinish.
It was a hell of a ride and Ireally do hope we get more.
I'm going to watch the entire,probably binge it again this
weekend, just because and Ilooked forward to it every week
I was looking forward to it.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Yeah, same here.
Yeah, we were doing ourhomework for these shows and I'd
watch it when it first dropsTuesday, and then I'd catch
myself in the morning goinglet's go through it one more
time just to pick up anything.
I might admit it's a fun.
This is the thing about theDisney Plus shows.
Even within the Star Warsuniverse, people complain
because they're so short Halfhour, 40 minutes, whatever as
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opposed to having to dragyourself out to a movie theater,
find us a screen time.
You know, you know yourselfdown for two and a half hours.
This is easy binge watching andit's fun.
I think you know the thing thatreally gets me about this show
that if I was still on thehellscape known as twitter, I
would be fighting on that hillsaying you can hate Star Wars, I
(54:14):
don't know why you botherstaying if you hate it, but this
is fun.
Star Wars is supposed to be fun.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
That's it.
This show was everything thatStar Wars is supposed to be 100%
action, adventure, fun, alittle bit of politics here and
there.
Not a whole lot, but a littlebit.
There's a little bit bit ofintrigue.
It was just fun and I thinkthis is I would, I would love.
I haven't seen anything, Ihaven't really looked for it,
(54:42):
but I would love to see whatwhat lucas thinks of the series
if he's watched it.
I would love to get histhoughts on this.
Maybe we'll have to have him onthe show.
We'll ask george, you're alwayswelcome anytime.
No, he knows, I mean he alreadyI know he watches us and he
listens to us, you know.
But yeah, he's a busy guy, he's, you know, he's busy spending
(55:05):
money you know it's thefull-time job spending that
money.
But that's it all, right.
Um, we're gonna wrap up.
Does anyone have anything elsebefore we?
Uh, we wrap.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Skeleton crew review, season one I mean I I can't
imagine anybody's listening tothis that hasn't seen it, but
just in case there is anybodythat, that's that description.
Watch it.
Yeah, just watch it that's fairuh, kathleen, dave, john,
everybody involved.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
I feel like an award ceremony here.
Um, thank you, this was goodfun.
Star wars and I think thefandom the the light side of the
fandom.
You know the fandoms, like theforce, there's a light side and
a dark side.
I think the light side of theforce got a win on this one.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Absolutely, and even even the dreaded fandom menace
has been awful quiet about thisone and I and I love not hearing
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Speaker 1 (58:19):
Thank you.
Hey, welcome back Star Warriors to another
Skeleton Crew review.
Sigh, all right, let's dointroductions first and then
we're going to dive right in,all right?
So from my left, you're right,Star of stage and screen.
(00:48):
Oh no, that's Sherry's.
That's Sherry's intro Fromparts unknown.
It is tea to the Oni.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
And pilot of the infamous Parma Flyer is Crash.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Hey everybody, s-foil's locked, Ready to go.
Let's do this.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
There we go, there we go, and I am Tommy D, so I'm
just going to say it right nowbefore we, like, really, really
dive in, because there's so muchto unpack with this episode.
The last episode, final episodeof uh, skeleton crew.
It is by far, without question,my favorite star wars tv show,
(01:39):
like bar none that's a big,that's a high bar and I kind of
agree.
I mean there's some good shows.
I mean I like the mandalorian,I love rebels, I love clone wars
, but man skeleton crew justnailed it, just nailed it.
(02:01):
All right, so now?
So, now that the show's wrappedthoughts, tony, tell us what
are your final thoughts here onSkeleton Crew.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I mean this was just really well done and I like the
fact that, yes, I didn'ttechnically show Jod dying or
anything, so in theory thecharacter could still exist if
they decided that they wanted totry for a second season or do
something we're going to get tothat, all in all, I really like
(02:33):
the fact that, while it can beopen-ended, I think it told a
good story and completed thatstory.
I'm okay if it doesn't have asecond season.
I'd be a little disappointedbecause, again, I think it's
been great.
But I do like the fact thatthey tied off all the loose ends
that they needed to and told afull story without having to
(02:56):
leave those cliffhangers oranything else.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
All right, that's fair Crash.
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think this is.
I think this is one of the bestwritten star wars shows.
I know that's a term a lot ofhaters like to throw about bad
writing this, bad writing thatwell, yeah, that's just an
excuse.
They hide it's an excuse to say, well, I didn't like it, so it
must be bad, right?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
no, this is good writing, that's the excuse they
use oh, there's, there's,there's, there's women and
minorities in it.
But you know what?
I'm not a racist and I'm notsexist, so I'm just going to say
it's bad writing.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, this had layers to it, this had depth to it and
even the things that we werekind of like as we were going
along with certain things.
I couldn't wait On our privatechat.
I had to throw together a quickmeme, because when Neil finds
the turret that we kind oflearned that the schools had, I
(03:50):
was like, oh yeah, my diehardbrain kicked in immediately and
I was like now I have a turbolaser.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Ho ho ho, I was thinking like, like for me.
I was thinking like, um, likefrom Iron man when he was like
when, when, uh, Tony Stark, hewas like oh yeah, I can fly.
I'm thinking for Neil.
It's like oh yeah, I've got aturbo laser, yeah, and and just
(04:18):
the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
You know the, the chase and and and the dad
getting involved and him sort ofI don't want to say
experiencing the excitement of,you know, dad got the parents
got in on it and it was kind ofyou know it was.
There was a lot of good acting,a good writing, good
performance.
It was just a really good starWars show and, for all of the
(04:40):
hate that past shows have gottenyou know for, for for something
that may be a standalone seriesyeah, I'm still trying to
figure out how this is going tocould tie into a Dave Filoni
compilation movie Eventually.
If it's not, I'm not upsetbecause it was just good content
.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, yeah.
So now are we?
Are we disappointed that wedidn't get any, uh, any other
cameos from any other series?
I know?
Additionally, initially, myselfincluded, there were
predictions that you knowbecause it's it's Filoni, it's
our Lord and savior, he likes tohave his cameos, he loves his
characters.
(05:19):
There were predictions that youknow because it's it's feloni,
it's our lord and savior, helikes to have his cameos, he
loves his characters.
I was thinking we would seesome sort of clone, or you know,
ahsoka's out there kicking itin the galaxy.
Grogu din, they're all outthere.
(05:39):
But we didn't see anyone,except for the pirate whose name
I always forget, but you knowwhat I'm talking about.
Yeah, no-nose guy, the Nikto,what is his name?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well, his species is a Nikto.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
He's a Nikto, yeah, but I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
We'll drop that in post, no biggie.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Keeper of the Holocron.
Keeper of the Holocron.
Keeper of the Holocron.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I can't.
I'm actually looking upsomething else at the moment
here.
The only other cameo that Icould have thought of was if
maybe one of the pilots thatcomes to the rescue at the end
was Trapper Wolf or the otherguy that we saw in Mandalorian.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Carson Teva.
Yeah, I was expecting to see himas the kind of Agent Coulson of
the Filoni-verse where he'stied into everything, and I
would have liked to have seen it.
And at the same time I'm kindof cool that they're developing
new guys in these cockpit shots.
It's like okay, there's morethan just Wedge Antilles in the
galaxy.
You know, yeah, of course.
(06:46):
So it's interesting thatthey're expanding the.
You know, I'm still holding outhope for a Rogue Squadron like
Patty Jenkins and MichaelStackpole don't fail me now but
I'm still holding out hope foran X-Wing Rogue Squadron movie.
And the more they develop someof these side characters, I'm
like there's potential.
(07:07):
You could do a Fighter Squadronmovie and make it sell.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Oh, absolutely Vane is the pirate's name, by the way
.
Okay, so so there's just somuch to unpack, so we're okay
with not having any cameos.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Crossovers, cross-pollination, everybody's
okay with that I think it wouldhave been okay, like when the
corvette showed up.
I think there was a lot ofimplied like as soon as the
x-wings and the b-wing and I'llget into that later and and as
soon as that corvette pulled upthat's to me the signature lay.
A ship like senator organamight have led the mission and
(07:52):
my brain immediately was kickinginto you know the new republic.
Yeah, just literally fell on agold mine.
You know they're.
You know they're going to kindof do what jod wanted to do is
basically, you just found thispile of money.
Okay, how do you acclimate thisculture, this planet of people
who've been isolated for so long, into the modern galaxy?
(08:13):
Right, and all of a sudden, theconnections.
You know Wim picking up thatlightsaber.
Uh, my sister and I weretalking this morning on the
drive to work going, oh God,please, you want them to almost
like meet luke and and and and.
Think what would be great ifwim started training as a jedi
and immediately with us, andthen ben kills him.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
You know it's a double-edged lightsaber no, no,
wim wim is going to be joiningthe new republic.
He wants to be an x-wing pilot.
The, the way well, yeah, I meanthe way that he looked at those
x-wings and that shot at the endof him looking up into the
night sky the x-wings flyoverhead, literally a whole
(08:54):
galaxy of opportunity is aheadof him and the rest of the kids
he that that boy is going to bean x-wing pilot.
And how cool would it be if we,if we see whim again, jump in
the future 10 ish years and weget that rogue squadron movie.
(09:17):
You know like that, that era,like because we're still, we're
still pre new order but we stillgot a long way to go to get to
new order.
So we still need X-wing pilots.
You know between skeleton crewand you know the new order.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I think Fern's running for president of at at.
I think, yeah, this girl gotthe planet under.
You know she's got.
You know mom might be theadministrator but like this girl
knows what's up and with thisnew culture coming in, and then
all the fern seems to be themost street savvy person on this
planet I'm thinking fern isgoing to get into smuggling or I
(09:59):
could see I could see her andkb getting a ship and totally
going han solo, like a hundredpercent.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
If anyone.
Honestly, if anyone's gonna endup running at atten, it'll
probably be neil.
I could see neil being thesupervisor literally neil nation
, I like neil nation.
Yes, yes, I mean he's.
He's level-headed, he's cool,he's fair.
You know he's compassionate,he's kind, but he's level-headed
(10:28):
, he's cool, he's fair, he'scompassionate, he's kind, but
he's still be firm if he needsto.
He's not afraid of pulling thetrigger and he bathes regularly
and he bathes often.
That dude is in the tub, butyou know what?
You can't be mad at it.
It because, after a longadventure through unknown
territories in space benear-death experiences my dude
(10:52):
needed a bath sometimes you justneed a hot soak and he and I, I
love that neil is in thebiggest bathtub ever.
It's like, just it's so, it'slike the, it's like the, the tub
in, uh, in the harry pottermovie, uh, the, the goblet of
fire where they had to open upthe, the egg under the water,
(11:14):
this gigantic like bathtub thatcan like comfortably hold like
30 people.
And, uh, that's, that's neil.
So I, I don't know that's,that's what I'm thinking.
So, question, question,question.
We're going to get to Jod in asecond.
Oh, my brain's all over theplace because there's so much to
(11:35):
talk about the B-Wings.
The B-Wings strike how cool wasthat?
We've only ever seen that in, Ithink, rebels.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, well, I was going to break your spoiler rule
a little bit.
It's fascinating because, again, we will see the prototype
B-Wing as a beamblockade-busting starship later
on when we watch Rebels, whichis further back in the timeline.
Sure, we've never actually seena b-wing in combat.
(12:11):
You know there's been a quarryart, but yeah, it was like not
live action explosions behind it.
Already I'm a big fan.
I having a midlife crisis aboutthe old x-wing computer game
from the 90s where you flewB-Wings and those things were
just heavy proton torpedo-ladenmonsters and I'm like wait a
(12:32):
minute.
When they introduced the beamweapon in Rebels I went, wait a
minute.
Okay, is this thing a miniDeath Star tech or is this just
a torpedo-launching super bomber?
The fact that we've seen it inlive action.
Still, as you know, theprototype has evolved.
You know that's the standard tobe wing now is a beam firing
starship.
(12:52):
I was like where were those atexegol?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
yeah, things are badass yeah, it was so fun to
watch them.
So okay, so at atton, barrier'spresumably destroyed at this
point.
I think that was the.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I don't think you can turn it back.
It's not like an electric fenceyou can't turn it off.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think we're done.
I think we're done with thebarrier.
The ramifications for theplanet now are immense.
But I am curious about onething they did say we talked
about this last week a littlebit um, they said there were
over a thousand other vaults.
(13:33):
I think they said on at addon,right, there were like over a
thousand other vaults um 11, 38,1138.
Does that mean that there are athousand other cities
potentially?
Is this the only city on AdAten?
Do we know?
We don't know.
(13:54):
We don't know.
I don't think we do.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
And that's an interesting.
What do we think?
I think it's you know, theplanets, even like Ad Akron and
Ad Kyoga Heights, and all those,the planets even at Akron and
at Cuyahoga Heights, and allthose they all seem to be built
around a core suburbanmetropolis setting.
I would not be surprised if thevaults are multiple vaults in
that complex.
(14:16):
We just saw one.
There could be plenty of othervaults in the complex.
They took Jod to one of themand his plan was to literally
just have the people literallyjust unload the whole place as
needed.
I think it's all focused inthat one area and that's why the
(14:39):
woods and everything else aresort of off-limits.
It's easy to control thepopulation if they're all in one
place.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So that makes sense.
That would simplify things.
You only have.
I'm sure that they'repracticing population control as
well, because everything wasjust precision fine-tuned.
So everyone served a purpose,everybody served a purpose,
everybody served a purpose.
So, yeah, maybe that was theonly other city, because Star
(15:13):
Wars is fond of doing that.
I have an entire planet, butthere's only one city on it
Except.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Tatooine, tatooine.
We've got Mos Eisley, mos Espa,we've been to a few different
places on tatooine.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Tatooine, we've got moss icely, moss espa.
We've, you know, we've been toa few different places on
tatooine.
But, um, most other planetswe're like, you know, the like
naboo right, feed we don't hear.
I mean, feed cannot be the onlyother city.
It's the capital.
We know that it's the capitalof naboo, but feed can't be the
(15:44):
only other city on the's thecapital.
We know that it's the capitalof Naboo, but Feed can't be the
only other city on the entirefreaking planet.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, the Lake Country has a few homes probably
.
Sure, there's the cityunderwater.
But I think Star Wars allsci-fi sort of has this
recurring trope of well, wevisit a planet and where we land
is the epicenter of thecivilization.
Nobody ever lands out in theboonies.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Nothing else here.
There's just this one spot andthere's nothing else.
So what are your thoughts?
I'm curious, what are yourthoughts on the future of At-At,
on the future of at atten?
(16:31):
What does this mean for theplanet, in potentially, the
galaxy at large, and I assumethe new republic was well aware
of at atten's presence or not?
What do we think, tony?
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
um, I'm not sure.
To be honest.
I think that if they had beenaware that there would be more
things happening, I mean, Idon't know, they left that very
ambiguous and open-ended, and Ithink that's done on purpose,
(17:02):
because you don't want to writeyourself into a corner.
I mean, as far as you know,like you know we talked about,
you know, is this the only cityon the planet?
It's probably not just because,I mean, even if you have
multiple vaults in one area, youcan't possibly have that many
in just one space, but there'sno way that you've got only one
(17:25):
place that can turn off theentire defense grid for the
planet.
So, and the fact that, you know, jod takes out the supervisor
and like pretty much the entireplanet as far as we can see,
power goes out and all thedroids stop working.
So, even if there are otherareas, this was definitely the
(17:48):
central location, right, um, butI mean, that's neither here nor
there.
Uh, as far as the new republicand their knowledge, yeah, it's
very open-ended on that.
Um, the fact that kim was ableto get people there, that
quickly tells me that they hadto at least have an inkling.
(18:08):
I mean, maybe they just knew.
Hey, so long as the defensegoods up, there's absolutely
nothing we can do, so we're justnot going to bother trying to
do anything.
But at least they were aware ofit enough that once it came
down they were able to be therewithin literally minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Right, and also I don't know if it's been said or
if we know yet, but do we knowwhere Atten is situated in the
galaxy?
You know what I mean it youknow, the outer rim is the outer
(18:50):
rim or mid-rim.
I mean where, where is it inthe galaxy?
I don't know, I don't know andI don't know if that's I haven't
seen an official updated map.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Since the show started.
There's been a lot of canonshifting and they had big maps
that the RPG nerds worked outwhere each of the planets were.
I haven't seen one thatincluded Ad Aten, so it could be
anywhere.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
According to a quick Google search, ad Aten is in the
Qoili sector, relatively closeto Dathomir, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So okay, it's in a strategically known area and,
dare I say, yeah, there's somany implications where you
think, okay, going back toAhsoka, thrawn's floating around
now around Dathomir, we know,is that going to put, you know,
a planet like this in contention?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
It could.
Where did you find that?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I just did a quick Google search on that and this
is coming up with um, oh, let'ssee here.
Uh, so this is coming from thetimescom the timescom.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
okay, because I don't know if I've seen anything on
the official wiki.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So they're saying this was after episode 6 came
out when they showed thecoordinates.
People, I guess, have figuredout where those coordinates
would be.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I love nerds Right.
I love nerds Right.
I love nerds for doing that.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I like how Kim was able to get.
It.
Takes me five minutes to readthrough my sister's text
messages.
Kim gets a text with thecoordinates from KB and three
seconds later she's like oh,I've already plotted a path,
I've already called the X-Wingsand gave them the right, and we
got it.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
So that that we do learn more about the eight
planets.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
The biggest thing, I think, is the impact on that
possibly joining the NewRepublic.
It's not official member yet.
Even the Mandalorian.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Okay, so this just makes me laugh a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh, you're breaking up, tony, you're breaking up,
tony, you're breaking up.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Tony, your comms are being canned.
Damn it.
I hate when they do that.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Tony.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Still there.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Go ahead, let me see what I can do on my end.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Okay, All right, you're good You're coming in.
Go ahead, let me see what I cando on my end.
Okay, all right, you're good,you're coming in Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So according to Wikipedia, the sector for AATN
is A113.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Wait, say that again.
The first part broke, so yousaid according to Wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
According to Wikipedia, the sector that Atten
is in is A113.
Wasn't that Princess Cell,which is, of course, the Exar
reference A what?
A23.
A113.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Okay, a, what a a a?
113 okay the Pixar reference.
That's right.
That's the.
What is it?
The office or the studio, Ithink something like that it was
.
I thought a yeah, that was.
I think that the Pixar officeor something like that, the
(22:53):
studio or office or somethinglike that, or the studio or
building number or somethinglike that.
So, all right, well, that'spretty interesting.
So now we've got a sector, sothat's pretty cool, and it looks
like there's some stuff in StarWars Insider about it as well,
(23:13):
but we can be back at anothertime, yeah, so Alright, I gotta
stop doing this stuff.
I can't do two things at once.
I can't multitask.
So great, great episode, as weknow, the best Star Wars TV show
(23:34):
of all time, ever, ever, exceptfor the holiday special.
Um, let's talk about john,let's talk about that individual
.
So we we learned that he hassome childhood trauma, pretty
severe childhood trauma,obviously, that he had force
(23:54):
potential, was trained,presumably sometime after order
66, um, or during.
Well, sometimes after 66 wasissued.
Um, we learned that he wastrained a bit by a female jedi
(24:15):
who was then murdered in frontof him, which of course is going
to give that that man a littlebit of trauma.
So, not a Jedi, for sensitiveknows a couple of things.
So we, we kind of thought thatanyway, because he was, he was,
he was using, you know, a Jedinomenclature.
(24:36):
Basically he was talking aboutthings that usually only the
Jedi talk about.
So what happened to him?
What do we think happened tohim?
He didn't die.
He's just standing there in thesupervisor's office.
What's left of it?
And do we presume he's going tobe arrested?
(24:56):
Uh, did he get away?
What are your thoughts, tony?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
um, I mean honestly, I don't know.
Uh, and again, this is one ofthe things where they left it
very open-ended.
So there's potential to do asecond season if they want to.
Um, right now, I'm perfectlycontent not knowing the answer
to that.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Okay um, that's fair crash.
What about you?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I the thing that struck me most about him.
Hey, this is a very Jod centricepisode.
Yeah, um, they got the, theygot the tragic backstory.
Yeah, there were a lot ofspeculations about what you know
.
Was he a full trained jedi?
Was he self-taught?
A little both?
Yeah, you know he learned somebasic.
I think he maybe practiced whatlittle he knew and got you know
(25:44):
and applied it to scammingpeople the way he does.
Um, I did love that one scene,as the pirate ship is flying by
the you know, burning andcrashing by the window and you
see him look at it and I justgot a sense of he's already
cooked up an escape plan wherehe's gonna lay.
(26:06):
I think he's gonna lay low and,as you know, the new republic
comes.
Relief efforts, whatever youwant to call it.
His odds of slipping outincrease the longer.
You know.
It's like the old adage youknow, if you're, if you're
running from the cops, walk,don't run, right, I think he's
going to kind of hang.
(26:27):
He doesn't have to walk downMain Street and be spotted
because you know people did seehim.
There's a lot of confusionhappening right now, yeah, but
once ships start coming in andout New Republic people start
coming in and out with reliefefforts, it'd be real easy for
him to pull a Cad Bane, swapuniforms with somebody and sneak
out the back door.
Yeah, yeah, and I think Wimknows that when they got in the
(26:51):
elevator and he just looked atthem, it was like there was that
kind of recognition of, or justlet him get away.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I don't know, I thought, I thought maybe Wim was
trying to save him.
I thought Wim was reaching outto him.
Maybe Wim thought that, youknow, the tower was going to be
destroyed or something, and hewas even through everything, w
when was potentially reachingout to jod to, to save him,
maybe literally and figuratively, you know, save him physically.
(27:19):
But then also, maybe you know,help him on his, uh, his
redemption arc.
You know, along those lines,maybe, I don't know, I don't
know, I, I feel like he's just,I feel like he's just defeated.
At this point, I, I, I wasmulling it over.
Is he gonna run, is he gonnatry to?
You know he's slippery, we knowthat.
(27:40):
But I, I, at the same time, Iwe've seen multiple times he
doesn't try to escape.
That's never been his thing.
You know he's.
He was in the brig.
You know when we first, youknow, when we encounter him, you
know, without his helmet andall that for the first time.
(28:01):
You know he's in the brig.
Um, when they were on at akron,he gave himself up very easily
and just said you know what,just kill me.
You know he was.
You know, and even in thesupervisor's tower he dropped
his gun.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
You know he surrendered to Wim and Fern
there was a moment where, evenwhen he was threatening Wim's
dad and everybody, you know, itkind of goes back to the Tack
Renard layer where he could havejust slipped the kid's throat
in the challenge and took itover.
(28:43):
He didn't want to.
He didn't want to be themurderer, he didn't want to harm
innocent people.
Even when his crew was takingover the town, he told them
don't hurt them unless you haveto.
Even if they were harmed, don'thurt them if you have to.
I need these people to work forthis gold mine I just found.
(29:04):
So I think there was just thisreluctance.
I hate the anti-hero label oncertain characters, but it was
just.
It's not that he's a bad guy,he's just a guy doing bad things
.
Nah, he's a bad guy, he's a badguy.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
He's a bad guy.
I don't think he's an anti-hero.
I don't, yeah, I don't.
I don't get anti-hero vibesfrom it.
He's reluctant.
He even said I don't want tokill anyone.
I don't want to.
I'm not giving them an out onthat, but it's just.
Yeah, I don't want to destroythe planet, I don't want to, you
know, destroy this beautifulplace.
I just want my money, right,you know.
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And he'll do whatever it takes.
He'll threaten, he'll lie,he'll cheat, he'll steal, he
will potentially kill to getthis money.
But he doesn't.
Just because he doesn't want todoesn't mean that he won't
right.
He sauced brutus, but who cares?
Brutus had it coming yeah, atsome point.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
At some point.
If he didn't, brutus was goingto kill him either way, so like
that was completelyunderstandable.
So that was where.
Where for me, the line wasdrawn was the you're.
He's standing in one vault thathas more money than he or
anybody has ever seen.
He knows there's a thousandother ones on this planet.
Yep, if he just said, listen,load up my ship, load up the
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other ship and we're gone, okay,you know what?
Maybe I can give him somepartial credit for not being a
bad guy.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
He tried making that deal.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
But when it's no, you're all going to stay here
and you're, and we're just goingto keep taking this Like, yeah,
I'm going to rule.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
That's the yeah I'm going to rule the planet, you're
all my slaves.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, and that's the thing.
Like personally me, I wouldrather die, I would rather be
murdered than be a slave.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
He was willing to enslave the entire city.
That ain't an anti-hero, that'sa bad guy.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah, I mean he tried selling that to Fern's mom.
You know he said you know, just, you know we'll take our share
and be gone.
We're all sitting here behindthe screen going, no, you're not
, you're going to take it.
It was like when he made apartnership to take the kids
home.
We know you're going to flip onthem.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
The second, you get the upper hand and the amount,
the amount of credits that werein the Onyx cinder would have
been enough to set him and hisentire crew up for life.
Oh yeah, just that amount, afraction of what's in the vaults
.
But greed got the better of him.
And childhood trauma.
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I mean, the dude's messed up.
He's a complex character.
I, I, I do like that.
He's layered.
That there is.
He does have conflict, he doesstruggle with you know more of
the uh, the violent nature ofpiracy.
But he is a greedy,self-serving son of a bitch, no
(32:01):
doubt about it.
And there's.
Could he have a redemption arc?
I don't know.
It's hard.
It's kind of hard to walk awayfrom slavery, but I mean, you
know anakin was able to walkaway from child murder, so I
guess anything is possible inthe galaxy.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Well, I mean personally.
I know what history says, andthe remakes say that, oh well,
he turned back to the good sideand that was good enough for him
to become a Force ghost, and sonow we're considering him back
as being Anakin.
As far as I'm concerned, yeah,he did one good thing at the end
(32:38):
, but he's still up.
He's still a fucking bill.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I don't care yeah, yeah, a hundred percent it's.
I saw a meme a while ago whereit shows, like you know, on the,
on the top of the meme it shows, you know, it shows anakin and
obi-wan and yoda, all the littleforce ghosts lined up, and then
on the bottom it's like theyounglings, but like in force
ghosts, and they're like what ishe doing here?
(33:01):
Yeah, it's like, uh, yeah,you're not wrong, it's like you
slaughtered, you murderedinnocent children.
However, they were armed.
I will give them that those,the children, were armed um they
had training but it doesn'tmatter.
A weapon is a weapon.
So he didn't murder unarmedchildren.
(33:23):
He, uh, he defended himselfagainst um, a young armed enemy,
uh, insurgent group.
Now Anakin's a child killer man.
I don't care.
I don't care what you say aboutit.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Joking aside, I'd have to watch that scene again
and zoom in on it.
Are younglings in the town,unless they're doing actual
saber training like the ones wesaw with Yoda in Attack of the
Clones?
I'm not even sure younglingshave their own, their own
lightsaber, yet they might.
You know so I don't think thekids.
You know even the ones we seein the beginning of obi-wan.
(34:04):
You know the order 66 flashbackand kenobi.
They're doing like tai chistyle stuff, but they weren't
packing lightsabers we don't.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
We don't know that they might always have their,
their lightsabers on them.
Maybe they know that they mightalways have their lightsabers
on them.
Maybe they're in their lunchboxand their coat closet.
We don't know.
But the force itself is aweapon.
They're packing the force.
Okay, they could have all thosechildren, could have all used
the force simultaneously toforce choke poor Anakin, and he
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had no choice but to defendhimself.
Maybe he was like you know what?
I have a change of heart, let'sget you kids out of here.
And they're like no, and theystarted to force choke annie and
he just no, no, no, no, no.
Anakin is a murdering, a childmurdering bastard and he did not
, did not deserve a redemptionarc after you killed children, I
(34:59):
don't care, that's a hot,that's my hot take.
Whatever you threw, you threwan old man down a shaft, okay,
great, you sacrificed yourselfto save your kid, but you
murdered everybody else'schildren.
So there's there's that, and whoknows, and who knows how many
(35:21):
other you know kids he struckdown during order 66.
How many?
Speaker 1 (35:27):
how many?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
how many other younglings did they uncover?
How many children were on?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Alderaan Well, just think about that one we saw and
kenobi where he was.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
He showed up on the scene and, like you know, he
choked somebody in front oftheir their child, just to draw
kenobi out.
Yeah, he basically killedpeople just for as a
demonstration.
Yeah, yeah, he's, oh yeah,murdering bastard yeah, murder
bastard is.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Is Jod as bad as Vader?
No, he didn't kill children.
Was he willing to, though?
Was he?
He said he didn't want to.
I mean he, and he really fought.
He really fought.
We saw that with Fern.
To just yield, please justyield, like I don't want to do
this.
But just like I don't want todo this.
(36:15):
But just because you don't wantto do something, does that mean
that you won't do something,would he?
I mean, obviously there's allspeculation after the fact now,
but would he have sauced thosekids or their parents?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
would he say he might have killed the parents.
I don't think he would havekilled the kids, because there
was, like even in that lastepisode there was a point where
Fern was running.
He had his gun on him.
He could have shot her anddidn't he?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
did shoot at her and at first I thought her mom got
him.
I thought he was shooting atthe mom.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I didn't think he was shooting at her.
He tackled her just as the theshot came in, so it might have
been, you know, it might havebeen going for fern's head if
she hadn't fallen down yeah,that's, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Mom tackled fern and because fern was going for it,
so I think he has the capacityto kill children.
So no, that your, youranti-hero status is revoked.
Uh, you know, I could have, Icould have been cool with all
the greed and wanting the goldand let's use the kids to get
the goal and then we're out.
(37:20):
You know, like like hondo.
Hondo, in my opinion, isborderline, an anti-hero,
borderline, borderline becausehe does.
We do see him help out.
You know anakin and ahsoka fromtime, and obi-wan from time to
time.
You know he, you know, but he'svery self-serving.
But, um, jod, jod is worse.
(37:44):
Jod is so much worse than thanhonda on the alignment chart I
think of.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Hondo is chaotic, neutral and jod is just straight
jod.
Jod is probably neutral, evillike oh man, laws don't matter,
but but all in all he's just badyeah, yeah, I might even have
(38:09):
to bump, bump, hondo up a littlebit from john.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I mean, yeah, I, I would give, I would give john
lawful or not lawful, but uh,neutral evil, yeah, oh, geez, so
anyway and and as the showprogressed, you really saw, I
want to say, an obsession, theobsession about the treasure.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I mean he, you know, he knows the tack renard tale
and how this guy, you know theythink he plundered at it and
that's where he was.
You know, as the story wentalong, you could see Jod's
mindset, just you know, it wasall about the money and that's
all he could think about.
And the culmination was justgreat because you just saw this
(38:54):
guy, he just wants that money.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
He wants that Scrooge McDuck money pit.
He does and I get it.
Like he said, when I was yourage, I was living in a hole,
trying to figure out how tosurvive, how to not starve.
That was my worry, that was myconcern.
So you could see that when hecalled them sheltered, spoiled
brats, he was very resentful andjealous of the life that they
(39:27):
had versus the childhood that hehad and the loss of this
parental know, parental figurein this unknown jedi.
So so, yeah, the guy had.
The guy has a lot of, a lot of,a lot of childhood trauma, a
lot of issues, so but I think hejust wanted to better himself.
(39:53):
But he was just so far gone,like you said, he was so
obsessed with it that hecouldn't see the forest for the
trees anymore.
He was just like, instead ofjust taking my fair share and
then maybe even coming back fromtime to time, I mean he could
have come back to top off.
I mean they were buying thewhole emissary thing.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I mean he could have come back to top off.
I mean they were buying thewhole emissary thing.
I said last week he could havemade a fortune literally just
upholding his end of the dealBring the kids home, hey, a
couple credits for my trouble,load up the ship, whatever and
(40:35):
he could have bailed on his crew.
You know, yeah, literally.
Just you know he was so fixatedon getting the barrier down to
get his you know his second shipand like screw those guys, you
don't, it was you with a, take ahandful of credits and you
don't need them anymore.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
No, I mean, they would they.
They were quick to want to puthis ass out the airlock, right,
oh nah, you don't know them shit.
But he wants, he wants thatpower.
It's not just the money, hewants the power, he wants the
prestige.
You know, he wants all thesethings that he saw that he
wasn't able to attain, you know,at that younger age.
(41:03):
So that's just been driving himhis entire life.
So I gotta say.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
That's one of the things that I'm, you know, a
little bit of a plot hole for mewas that the whole idea was the
Onyx Indica could get throughbecause it was an ad-attent ship
.
Yeah, the other ship wasn't anad-attent ship.
They didn't disable the, theyhadn't killed the field yet.
(41:27):
How did it get through they?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
gave them the codes, they had the.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Fern's mom.
When he was threatening them,she said I'll give your ship
access.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
How would she know how to do that if she didn't
know how to get the kids home?
What do you mean?
The whole thing was the kidswere out and they were like all
we can do is send a messagesaying we hope you can get back.
But they didn't give them codesto get back through the shield.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Well, they might have done that once they were back
in system, because they had noidea where the kids even were.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah, it kind of put out a blanket call across the
galaxy you don't necessarilywant to give.
Oh, here's how you get in thekey's under the mat by the back
door.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
And it's possible.
She might not have been able towithout full access to the
supervisor's chambers, and oncehe was knocked out and power
restored, now maybe she's gotthe capabilities of doing that.
I don't know.
You're not wrong, though thatis definitely a potential plot
hole there.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
And wasn't it just great that for this planet that
we were told has been cut offfor so long?
I love the supervisor.
You know the planet being runby a droid was on a lot of
people's mind, but I like thefact that even he knows about
Order 66.
Yeah, and that you know thelast time they were contacted by
(42:52):
the Republic was to say thatknow, jedi are the enemy.
So, going back to your pointfrom the, you know our other
show, papa palpatine never evengot his hands on this sweet cash
right, but it managed to getword out about order 66.
Don't trust the jedi.
And the and the supervisor knewthat.
When this dude walked in, youknow, claiming to be a Jedi For
(43:14):
an artificial intelligence droid, he sort of drew that guy.
Keep feeding him rope so he canhang himself in his own lie.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I'm sorry.
I think Palpatine did knowabout Ad Aten and did have
access to it.
Because I don't know how elseyou fund the war on both fronts
unless you've got access to it.
Because I don't know how elseyou fund the war on both fronts
unless you've got access to thatkind of cash possible?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
yeah, that is possible, but they were
exploiting so many worlds.
I mean they were they weresiphoning resources off and
people were committing money.
I mean especially on theseparatist side yeah, banking
plan more than anything?
oh yeah, the banking clan wasgiving them buku bucks, but it's
afterwards, that's.
So was the last transmissionfrom the republic about order 66
?
And?
(44:04):
And if so, that does?
That also calls to question,you know how?
How long were they isolated,you know, because it it seems
like they had been isolated forhundreds of years.
But if this transmission aboutorder 66 and the jedi being evil
(44:25):
, if that got through, then theyprobably were receiving other
transmissions.
But then at that point, oncethat or once order 66 is
broadcast, was it just radiosilence for at atten and and the
other, the other seven planetsat that point, because the, the
supervisor, didn't seem to knowabout the galactic civil war, or
(44:49):
maybe it, maybe it does, I mean, but it just it didn't talk
about it and it wasn'tpotentially aware of the current
state of the galaxy with thenew republic.
So I mean when?
Speaker 3 (45:02):
so yeah, lots of questions still and an
interesting thing going forwardwith this at att at and being in
out in the galaxy, now I couldsee where the flaws in the new
Republic.
Like it was funny, the episodehadn't even finished yet and I'm
already thinking, you know,like, uh, senator Ziono, you
(45:26):
know, uh from Ahsoka, you knowcomplaining about galactic
inflation and stuff like that.
You know you mentioned that thisinflux of just all this, all
these Republic credits, whichapparently are worth a lot, yeah
, I can see some of the richerplanets in the new Republic
going ho, ho, ho, hold up, we'reused to the top dog around here
, people.
Right, I was just dripping inmoney, but because, again, for
(45:51):
somebody like a senator, orghana, you know, leah would see
this as a okay, we could fix alot of problems, we could help a
lot of people.
I could see other senatorsmaybe saying, look, yeah, but
now my planet's going to loseinfluence and that's a flaw in
the new republic that I feel isgoing to get exploited.
Of course we see that in alater show.
I kind of hope we see thatsomething like that in a later
(46:12):
show, like maybe the first orderdoes get involved with these
people yeah, that's one of thethings that I'm really kind of
looking forward to.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
The future is, even if we don't get a second season
of this show, because this showtakes place within the same time
frame that we've that we keepgoing back to and again, I'm
fine with that like this showcould be the thing of okay, well
, we didn't get that many eastereggs in this show from other
stuff, but there could befallout from this.
(46:40):
That affects a lot of stuff wesee going forward well,
potentially see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Potentially, the the amount of credits on at atten
could destabilize the entiregalactic economy, because just a
few, just a hand like wim'slunch money, I mean could buy
you a ship, I mean basically, Imean there's just there's a lot
of credits on at atten, so youknow and who's, and, like you
(47:10):
said, you know crash, you knowhow are the other senators and
there's always, always politicalleanings, as we know in star
wars.
So I mean who knows how othersent, you know senators, other
systems, how all this is goingto work out.
So I mean that's I'm hopingthat we're going to get.
Maybe, uh, I'd like to see abook about some of the heavier
(47:37):
political, you know the galactic, geopolitical side of things.
I don't know if I'd want towatch it, but I'd be happy
reading something like thatreading something like that, but
it's type thing that that youknow.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Again, I don't think you can make a show out of it,
but I could see it beingreferenced in other shows.
Right, and if you want thatdeep dive, yeah, you need a book
or something like that, yeahbecause either way, at attin's
got a target on it right now.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Oh, yeah, I mean there's a there's a whole galaxy
of promise opened up to them,of course, and the citizens,
because now the citizens have achoice.
They don't have to stay thereand mind the credits anymore,
they don't have to be theseaccountants and they don't have
to do this anymore.
Now they can go out and theycan explore and they can do what
(48:29):
they want.
They can follow their dreams,if they have any.
And so what does that mean forthe planet?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
so a lot of questions and, like you said, you've been
saying, you know when, beingthe sort of the the eyes of the
audience in this show, you knowthe one that's the kind of
dreams of adventure and explain.
I love how the show ended withliterally verne telling well, I
guess you don't have to takeassessment anymore, you don't
have to do your SATs.
(48:56):
Remember those tests we used totake in high school where every
few years, yeah, you don't haveto do that anymore, man, you
can do whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
And then that moment.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
X-Wings and a Corvette are overhead and he's
just looking and smiling out atthe stars.
That boy's going to be anx-wing pilot.
I'm telling you, and I hope, Ihope we see more of these kids,
I hope that we get, we getanother season or two, I hope it
turns into, you know, thestranger, stranger things
(49:25):
phenomenon, where it wassupposed to be a one season
thing and ends up being likewhat?
Six, six seasons.
These kids are in their 30s now.
I mean it's like it's crazy.
But, um, or even a jump ahead,I'm fine with you know, a jump
ahead in the timeline.
Get us closer to new order era,um, and we can see what
direction the kids have takenand maybe there's a team up.
(49:47):
You know that would be a funshow to watch.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah I will say it's.
One of the things that I really, really appreciated about this,
about this episode, was thefact that I mean, first off, you
know these kids have got to beexhausted coming off this huge
trip.
You know they're reunited withtheir families and yet they're
all still dedicated to themission.
They're all still like, themoment the chick goes south, the
moment those pirates show up,they're all like all right, the
(50:10):
mission.
They're all still like.
The moment the chick goes south, the moment those pirates show
up, they're all like all right,we're going back to it.
Like like, like.
No, we're not going to let theparents try and figure it out.
No, this is our problem, we'redealing with it.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
It was the.
It was the speeder bike versionof the ET kids yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
That was just great.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Yeah, the nostalgia of the ET kids chase and that
was just great.
Again, the nostalgia of okay,the kids are in, you know, the
parents don't know what to do.
We'll let the security droids.
I love how William's dad's likeoh, we'll let the security
droids, you mean the droids thatare shut down.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Shut down, dad.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Come on, think it through, dad, on top of that the
fact that they made a point ofand they established it
throughout the series like Neilfinding the cannon on top of the
school, like that's a clearreference to his experience
throughout this whole thing itmade it worth the fact of okay,
(51:06):
we saw that he did that byhimself.
He wasn't with the others whenhe found that.
So when this happens now on hisplanet, he knows what to do and
he accepts that role.
So when this happens now on hisplanet, he knows what to do and
he accepts that role, withoutquestion.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
He just says okay, this is what I'm doing, and KB
befendered Kim, so when theyneeded to call for her, she
literally told him if you everneed me call.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
And she did.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
He was on it.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
And she did.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
And fixed SM-33 enough to help her fly the ship,
because she's the techie sheknows I.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You know, like william's dad, you know, you
kids know how to fly this ship.
Well, you get a little help.
I love it.
And we, we got to see all thekids grow a little bit more and
it was, oh man, I.
I just hope we get more.
I hope we get more.
Supposedly, allegedly I haven'tlooked into official numbers,
but allegedly Skeleton Crew hasthe lowest viewership of any of
(52:03):
the other Disney Star Wars shows, to include the Acolyte.
Know if that's a hundredpercent true or not?
I think the acolyte got a bitof a boost in their their
viewers because of all the hateand controversy that was
surrounding it, so people werewatching it to see.
Um, we didn't get a lot of thatwith skeleton crew.
(52:25):
So I think I think the the theaudience size for skeleton crew.
I feel like that's probablymore indicative of what the
numbers would normally bewithout being skewed by
controversy.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
And it's also a holiday release Exactly that's
where I was going to go is thefact that the timing of this
release is not conducive togetting high ratings, because
it's the holidays, people areout, people are doing things.
You know it's.
It's yeah, I mean, I meanratings because it's the
holidays, people are out, peopleare doing things.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
You know it's.
It's, yeah, I mean, I mean, twoepisodes fell on what?
Christmas eve and new year'seve, yeah, so we, I mean, I
didn't even end up watchinguntil after the fact.
But all right, so great show,great series.
Uh, john and dave, do it again.
As executive producers, you hadsome great writers, great
(53:14):
directors on here.
I was so happy.
I was so happy from start tofinish.
It was a hell of a ride and Ireally do hope we get more.
I'm going to watch the entire,probably binge it again this
weekend, just because and Ilooked forward to it every week
I was looking forward to it.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Yeah, same here.
Yeah, we were doing ourhomework for these shows and I'd
watch it when it first dropsTuesday, and then I'd catch
myself in the morning goinglet's go through it one more
time just to pick up anything.
I might admit it's a fun.
This is the thing about theDisney Plus shows.
Even within the Star Warsuniverse, people complain
because they're so short Halfhour, 40 minutes, whatever as
(53:54):
opposed to having to dragyourself out to a movie theater,
find us a screen time.
You know, you know yourselfdown for two and a half hours.
This is easy binge watching andit's fun.
I think you know the thing thatreally gets me about this show
that if I was still on thehellscape known as twitter, I
would be fighting on that hillsaying you can hate Star Wars, I
(54:14):
don't know why you botherstaying if you hate it, but this
is fun.
Star Wars is supposed to be fun.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
That's it.
This show was everything thatStar Wars is supposed to be 100%
action, adventure, fun, alittle bit of politics here and
there.
Not a whole lot, but a littlebit.
There's a little bit bit ofintrigue.
It was just fun and I thinkthis is I would, I would love.
I haven't seen anything, Ihaven't really looked for it,
(54:42):
but I would love to see whatwhat lucas thinks of the series
if he's watched it.
I would love to get histhoughts on this.
Maybe we'll have to have him onthe show.
We'll ask george, you're alwayswelcome anytime.
No, he knows, I mean he alreadyI know he watches us and he
listens to us, you know.
But yeah, he's a busy guy, he's, you know, he's busy spending
(55:05):
money you know it's thefull-time job spending that
money.
But that's it all, right.
Um, we're gonna wrap up.
Does anyone have anything elsebefore we?
Uh, we wrap.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Skeleton crew review, season one I mean I I can't
imagine anybody's listening tothis that hasn't seen it, but
just in case there is anybodythat, that's that description.
Watch it.
Yeah, just watch it that's fairuh, kathleen, dave, john,
everybody involved.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
I feel like an award ceremony here.
Um, thank you, this was goodfun.
Star wars and I think thefandom the the light side of the
fandom.
You know the fandoms, like theforce, there's a light side and
a dark side.
I think the light side of theforce got a win on this one.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Absolutely, and even even the dreaded fandom menace
has been awful quiet about thisone and I and I love not hearing
from them.
It's been great, all right, soso, yeah, that's going to do it.
That's going to be a wrap forus guys.
Thanks for joining me.
Um and uh for everyone thattook the time to watch us and
(56:14):
listen to us on our variousplatforms.
Thank you so much and we willbe back with more.
Skeleton Crew review for Season2.
Fingers crossed, maybe We'llsee what happens.
And if you're happy with whatyou're hearing here, check out
our other show, star Wars, safeSpace.
You can just look that up atthe SWS show on all platforms.
(56:39):
That's our ongoing podcastwhere we discuss all Star Wars
in chronological order, whichmeans that eventually on that
show we're going to berevisiting Skeleton Crew.
So I'm looking forward to that.
So we're starting season fourof the Clone Wars.
So if you're interested in theClone Wars in any way, or if
(57:02):
you've been curious about, maybeswarzy, curious about checking
it out, listen to our newpodcast, the new season of our
podcast, which is going to dropin a couple days here Every
Tuesday.
It's supposed to Every Tuesday.
I'm a little behind on myposting this week, but it
(57:23):
happens.
Darth Reel Life, I'm not theholidays, the holidays, you know
what?
And again, darth Reel Life getsin the way.
Check us out on all socialmedia spaces, at the sws show
and uh, head on over to ourwebsite, circleofnerdscom.
Uh, and uh, you can find outabout some of our other shows.
(57:44):
And uh, maybe pick up somemerch as well if you're
interested.
So that is gonna do it.
And uh, are we all done?
That's it.
It, that's a wrap.
I think we're good.
All right, all right, starwarriors, you know, like we've
we've been saying on theskeleton crew review here, be
safe and don't get caught.
So until next time, bye.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
Thank you.
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