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June 16, 2024 17 mins

Join Jordan and Kit as they explore where Perseus shows up in Pop Culture (broadly defined), and what they'd do with the Perseus brand! 

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>> Jordan (00:15):
Hi, I'm Jordan.

>> Kit (00:16):
And I'm Kit.

>> Jordan (00:17):
Welcome to Starry Time, where stars
plus lines

>> Kit (00:21):
Equal stories.

>> Jordan (00:23):
In this week's episode, we'll be getting silly and
exploring the pop culture of our constellation of
the month, Perseus.

>> Kit (00:31):
In this episode, we share our favorite and least favorite
occurrences of this month's constellation in pop culture,
and then we take over the brand to wish upon
a star for what we wish existed.

>> Jordan (00:43):
Perfect, Kit. That's the premise.
Let's get started with our favorite.

>> Kit (00:48):
Yeah, so there was actually a fair amount to choose
from for Perseus. Popular. But
honestly, just like you with Lyra, as
soon as I saw Perseus, I was like, I know
I'm going to pick. It's going be the one,
the only Perseus
"Percy" Jackson of
the Percy Jackson and the Olympians

(01:11):
book series by Rick Riordan. The first
book titled the Lightning Thief
from 2005. This is basically
a children's, YA, it's really maybe
like middle grade, at least the first one, but I think you kind of grow
up with characters. It is a,
um, Greek myth inspired
contemporary fantasy series.

(01:33):
Percy Jackson is the
protagonist of this series,
and so it was going to be my obvious first
choice.

>> Jordan (01:41):
Great choice. That marks two months in a
row that our constellation has also been the name
of a protagonist of a very influential
and popular YA uh, literature
series. So shout out to Percy Jackson, who
we might have more to say about him in that series
later this month. So stay tuned for that.

>> Kit (02:01):
Yeah, and this is something, it's really interesting, so,
I think I was a little bit too old
for this series when it came out. Uh. Cause
the first book, as I said, is really like middle grade. It came out in
2005. But I did recently read the first
book, um, on the recommendation of one of my friends
who is a teacher that works with folks, uh, in this age
range. And she's like, my students love this book.

(02:24):
We're obviously fans of Greek myth. I have
written a, uh, book that I'm querying that involves
Greek myth for an older age range. And so
she was like, you have to read this, like, I think that you will
love it. And yeah, it's definitely for kids. But
Percy is in the first book, twelve. He's
notable for having dyslexia and ADHD.

(02:44):
He's also a demigod. I don't think that's a huge
spoiler. It's a great book. If you have, have
or know kids that are into Greek myth, this might be a really good
series for them to check out.

>> Jordan (02:55):
Percy Jackson, everybody. That is an
absolutely great choice and hard to
really contend with as far as pop cultural
impact goes. But I would like to tell you
my favorite appearance of Perseus in pop culture.

>> Kit (03:10):
All right, I'm ready,

>> Jordan (03:11):
Kit, my favorite is something
called the JOOLA Ben
John's Perseus
16 mm pickleball paddle.
[laughter]

>> Kit (03:22):
Wow. I didn't even see this.

>> Jordan (03:25):
Some of the reviews for this pickleball
paddle are quite incredible. It has an
overall rating of 4.8, 95

percent on Amazon. Quote (03:33):
"I'm
definitely loving this paddle. I've been using a different
paddle for the last four months and I fell in love with
the JOOLA Ben John's Perseus
paddle. After I received the paddle, I went to
play with a group. I fell in love with this paddle
even more." So. But
there are a few things that I liked about it. The first is the

(03:55):
copy has a lot of constellation
artwork.

>> Kit (03:59):
Oh, yeah, I'm seeing it here.

>> Jordan (04:02):
I just posted it and, uh, sent you a picture for our
socials. And it also is
sponsored by Ben
Johns, who is apparently the world's number
one ranked pickleball player.

>> Kit (04:15):
Okay.

>> Jordan (04:15):
Michael Jordan of

>> Kit (04:17):
Pickleball.

>> Jordan (04:18):
Pickleball. So if Michael Air Jordan
has his shoes, well, Ben Perseus
Johns has his official paddle.
And whether or not pickleball constitutes
pop culture or not, I think it's only a
matter of time.

>> Kit (04:34):
I think it definitely does. It's a real
phenomenon. Um, for those of you listening,
I think it's probably important context to know that my partner,
BoP, uh, does play pickleball. Have a few friends that are really
in on pickleball. Uh, we even when Jordan and I are on
vacation, we saw some pickleball on tv. So I
think Pickleball is pretty big and it's pretty,
um, a pretty notable part of pop culture right

(04:57):
now.

>> Jordan (04:58):
To all my pickleball heads out there, I can't
recommend Perseus 4.8, 95
percent any higher.

>> Kit (05:07):
Did you have any runners up or
anything that went into favorites before we move on to
least favorites?

>> Jordan (05:14):
Um, not really. Like I said, I had to dig hard
for this one just as a favorite

>> Kit (05:19):
I don't have any real runners up for favorite, but I do have
some, like, not favorite nor least
favorite. Just sort of like other stuff I thought was interesting.
So let's move on to our least favorites and then we can
tack on any other, uh, important, notable
Perseus pop culture appearances before we get to wished for.
Sound good?

>> Jordan (05:36):
That sounds perfect.

>> Kit (05:38):
Do you want to start us off with your least favorite?

>> Jordan (05:41):
For my least favorite, I am going with the
portrayals of Perseus by
Harry Hamlin in the 1981
film Clash of the Titans.

>> Kit (05:52):
Mhm.

>> Jordan (05:52):
As well as the portrayal of Perseus
in the 2010 and
2012 films being Clash
of the Titans, the second being a sequel called Wrath
of the Titans where Perseus is played
by Sam Worthington. So
these are two attempts at Perseus
in popular depiction. Probably some of the more famous

(06:15):
Greek mythology movies. I personally like the
original better just for its special effects
which were much more practical and
claymation.

>> Kit (06:24):
I literally have the same thing written. I neither
put this in my favorite, nor least favorite, but I
also looking at the practical effects from the
1981 Clash of the Titans, the Medusa
looks wild, much more in the monster
category. And wow, there's a lot going on there with the
practical effects.

>> Jordan (06:41):
And the film ends with them being put
up in the constellations Perseus,
Andromeda, Pegasus and Cassiopeia. It's also
worked on by Ray
Harryhausen, who's a stop motion
animation famous for King
Kong and all those early monster movies.
So I love that one. I think Harry Hamlin's an

(07:03):
okay actor. They don't give him really a lot to work
with. It's very classic. But I think he
has more range as an actor which you get to see
later in his career both in LA Law and Mad Men.
And he's in all sorts of other things. My least
favorite is by Sam
Worthington in the most
recent Clash of the Titans reboot.

(07:25):
And again, I don't think he did anything
particularly much worse than Harry Hamlin
did. However, Sam Worthington
always and forever be known to
me as the one and only Jake
Sully from Avatar.

>> Kit (07:43):
The masterpiece?

>> Jordan (07:45):
The masterful, yeah, Acting, uh, work
he displayed in Avatar as Jake
Sully has been impossible to look past

>> Kit (07:55):
Consuming.

>> Jordan (07:55):
Even when I tried to see him as
Perseus. Yes, it is consuming.
All I can think of is Jake Sully and his
adventures on Pandora. Um,
that movie came out in 2009 and then
his Clash of the Titans reboot was the next film
that he was in and starring in in
2010. But for me personally, I've never

(08:18):
been able to separate the two. So
seeing Jake Sully trapped in ancient
Greece, uh, it's gonna be my
least portrayal of Perseus, that's gonna
my...

>> Kit (08:29):
Do you remember who played Zeus
in the most recent, uh, remake of Clash of the
Titans?

>> Jordan (08:35):
Yes, they've gotten two great Zeuses. The first one was
Lawrence Olivier. And then of course,
the next Zeus is Qui-Gon himself,
Liam Neeson.

>> Kit (08:46):
Wow. I also did look up the Clash of the
Titans Rotten Tomatoes scores.
Um, would you like to take a guess on, uh,
the 2010 Rotten Tomatoes critics score

>> Jordan (08:58):
Kit, nfortunately, I also looked them up.
Maybe our audience could guess as well.
And these are, uh, both below
30% ranking. I saw
27 and 20%.

>> Kit (09:11):
Mhm. 27% on Rotten Tomatoes
The 1981 film faring better, around
64%. Um, and I think the audience
definitely appreciates that, uh, old nostalgia of the
1981 film, for sure.

>> Jordan (09:23):
Yeah, I wouldn't say it's actually a much better written
film, but definitely has nostalgia going for
it. But how about you, Kit? Where'd you go for your
least favorite appearance of Perseus in pop
culture?

>> Kit (09:35):
So this is another example, which
I feel like I often come up with, which is like, um,
either I like or feel neutral about the
thing, but I hate the name. So
I want to tell you the mission statement for the thing
first, which I think is very good. And then I'll tell you the name.
So the mission statement for this thing I've chosen is

(09:56):
"to make a full record of humanity
as intellectually accessible as
possible to every human being, regardless
of linguistic or cultural background."
Okay!

>> Jordan (10:09):
Sounds like a good mission statement.

>> Kit (10:11):
Right? Absolutely. Now,
this is called the
Perseus Digital Library.
No, just like, why? Why
not the muses digital library?
Or Hermes or Apollo? Like, this
makes no sense to me. It makes me mad because

(10:32):
I'm like, this is obviously a cool project. This is
a, I believe, an academic project that sort of
started out by
digitizing ancient Greek works
and translations of those things, it's open
source and I think it sort of expanded beyond
sort of Greco Roman texts to other things.
But I'm like, this is very cool. This is a cool idea. I like

(10:54):
the premise, but why this name?
Why? Why?

>> Jordan (10:58):
It's a total misnomer. When I think
Perseus I do not think
of

>> Kit (11:04):
Books, knowledge.

>> Jordan (11:05):
A highly refined academic career.
So I think that's a pretty good choice. Again,
fine mission statement. But, uh, if you're going to
be creating a library of all man's
knowledge, maybe show off like a tiny
morsel of that, uh, knowledge
in the naming of the project, perhaps.
Maybe if you want.

>> Kit (11:25):
Maybe. I also had a couple of other things that popped up.
Apparently there's a Perseus store in Grand Theft
Auto. Um, I haven't seen Grand Theft
Auto since oooh probably
when the, you know, Percy Jackson books were coming
out. I don't know when the first one came out, but seems
like in the two thousands. Yep, and

(11:46):
so I don't know anything about that, but I thought it was worth
mentioning. And if it's a place where you can buy
weapons and equipment, that seems like a good choice,
uh, of a name, since we know Perseus was
geared up to the gills for his battle with
Medusa. I also came across
Perseus the spy,

(12:06):
which was a code name
of a possible
Soviet spy
who was spying,
[laughter]

>> Jordan (12:18):
Yeah. [laughter] Espionaging?

>> Kit (12:21):
Espionaging in the
1940s. And that was a weird
rabbit hole to go down. I just
didn't really know what to think about it. But there,
the wiki is quite long, so if, like, that's something that
sounds interesting, you can check that out. And those are some of the things that
I came across that just sounded kind of interesting, but
I didn't feel strongly enough about them to put them in my

(12:44):
favorite or least favorite.

>> Jordan (12:45):
I'm on the Perseus spy
wiki right now. And, yes, it is quite extensive.
And the first image you have is just of the Trinity
nuclear test.

>> Kit (12:55):
Yeah.

>> Jordan (12:55):
Explosion. Quote
he would allegedly have given crucial information about this
test to the Soviets, according to one source." This
is, uh, an explosive. I don't know.
Could you even call this a conspiracy theory? I'm not sure what you would call
it. Some espionage hypothetical, uh, history
hypothetical.

>> Kit (13:13):
Yeah, yeah. And there's some proposals of who it might
like, who the person was, like their alleged
identity. There's some pop culture
appearances or sort of connections to this in
pop culture. So this just seemed like an interesting rabbit hole.
It's not an area that I'm that interested in. So I didn't
go down that rabbit hole, but somebody else, if
that's your jam, if you're like, I'm into spy

(13:36):
stuff. Uh, yeah, that wiki is waiting for
you.

>> Jordan (13:48):
So now we've brought up our favorite, our least
favorite, our most meh, and perhaps interesting
to other people, examples of Perseus in
pop culture. Now let's wish upon a
star for what pop culture Perseus
we wish existed.

>> Kit (14:04):
That sounds great.

>> Jordan (14:05):
So we were talking about the Perseus library or the
Perseus project, and you're right, that
doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.
Perseus as you said, was loaded up to the
gills. I think of all the magical
tools that you could use to
eliminate pests and rodents.

(14:25):
So instead of trying to kill the Medusa who's just
hanging out with her sisters, Perseus,
there are people out there who need your
help. So what I'm looking for,
inspired hopefully, by a better myth of
Perseus himself, is the Perseus
pest and animal control services.

(14:46):
Our logo is a Greek demigod
with a fistful of snakes. Hey, did you
just buy a new property and you need a de
snake it? Are you having a real bug or
rat problem? Perseus has
all the tools to eliminate
these vicious pests. What do you think of that
one?

>> Kit (15:06):
I like that. I actually sort of had a
similar, like, process of trying to think about,
like, okay, like, Perseus is kind of a, uh, word
that's hard to work with, I think, in some ways. And so,
you know, I started the process, like, okay, in myth, he's this
rescuer. He's a monster slayer. So,
like, what would we trust him to create

(15:26):
or do for us? And so pest control, I think, is a
great, um, option. I decided
to go with the Perseus protocol
app.

>> Jordan (15:35):
Ooh,

>> Kit (15:36):
Yeah. Which is an app designed to get you out of
bad situations, whatever that looks like. And I'm
kind of inspired by, I was at a bar recently, and in
the bathrooms, they had up little signs that were
like, is somebody bothering you? Here's several
ways we can support you. Like, just, like, let
our bartender know somebody is not taking no for an

(15:57):
answer. Let us know if you'd like somebody to walk you to your car. Let
us know if you'd like us to, um, help you get to
your car ride share. And so I was sort
of inspired by this idea of, like, you know, wouldn't it be great if you
had this app that could, like, help you get out of sort of tricky or
bad, uh, situations? Maybe, um,
it's some kind of, like, bodyguard on demand

(16:18):
service. Maybe it's just like,
somebody to come walk you to your car. Maybe
it's somebody just to come over and pretend that they're meeting up
with you so you don't have to talk to somebody who's talking to you. Just
like something like this. Um, I didn't flesh it all the way
out, but just this idea of, like, you need to get out of a pickle.
And, uh, this is the app that you use and it has sort of an
array of services. And, uh, that's what I came up with.

>> Jordan (16:41):
Perseus hero on demand,
basically. Hero share program.

>> Kit (16:45):
Yeah, hero share.

>> Jordan (16:47):
We both have the same idea. Perseus save us.

>> Kit (16:50):
Save us when we ask you to.

>> Jordan (16:52):
Kit, that was a great choice. And I
hope it's only a matter of time before
one of our wishes comes true.

>> Kit (17:08):
This has been Kit

>> Jordan (17:09):
And Jordan.,

>> Kit (17:11):
Sisters, lovers of stars and stories.

>> Jordan (17:14):
And we'll see you next week

>> Kit (17:16):
On Starry Time.
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