August 3, 2025 • 43 mins
What happens when burnout doesn’t just slow you down but wrecks your career, your health, and your marriage? In this powerful episode of Starter Girlz, host Jennifer Loehding sits down with Lisa Hammett—a former corporate executive turned TEDx speaker and international bestselling author—who shares how hitting rock bottom became the catalyst for a complete life transformation.
After 26 years in the high-pressure world of corporate retail, Lisa found herself emotionally drained, physically unwell, and on the verge of losing everything—including her identity. Quitting her job without a backup plan led to bankruptcy, but it also marked the beginning of her path to healing, purpose, and long-term success.
What you’ll learn:
✅ The early warning signs of burnout that most people ignore
✅ How burnout shows up in your body, emotions, and relationships
✅ Why Positive Intelligence (PQ) is key to managing stress and mental overload
✅ How Lisa turned a breakdown into a breakthrough
✅ Practical strategies for rebuilding energy, purpose, and clarity
✅ Why self-awareness, mindset, and support systems are critical for recovery
✅ How to align your career with your strengths and passions
Lisa’s story is deeply personal and incredibly relevant for professionals, entrepreneurs, and caregivers navigating exhaustion, identity loss, and career transitions. Her insights and tools offer a real-life roadmap to bounce back from burnout and build a life filled with meaning and resilience.
🔗 Learn more about Lisa Hammett:
www.lisahammett.com
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Lisa Hammett (00:00):
I was that toxic, negative person that you can't
stand to be around because I wasso miserable and that's what
most broke up my marriage.
And you can't expect to getanything positive in life if
you're swimming in negativity.
Right, I mean you have to shiftyour mindset, and I think that
is really the number one thingthat needs to shift when you're
(00:22):
making that kind of evolution,because when you have that kind
of mindset, everything else kindof falls into place.
I mean, you start eating better, you start moving your body
better, you know you just youshow up as a much better person
and you get curious and it allties into what's in your head
and I know for a lot of peoplethat sounds really woo-woo, but
(00:46):
it's the truth.
Jennifer Loehding (00:48):
Welcome to the Starter Girlz podcast, your
ultimate source of inspirationand empowerment.
We're here to help womensucceed in every area of their
lives career, money,relationships, and health and
well-being while celebrating theremarkable journeys of
individuals from all walks oflife who've achieved amazing
things.
Whether you're looking tosupercharge your career, build
(01:10):
financial independence, nurturemeaningful relationships or
enhance your overall well-being,the Starter Girlz podcast is
here to guide you.
Join us as we explore thejourneys of those who dare to
dream big and achieve greatness.
I'm your host, jenniferLoehding, and welcome to this
episode.
Welcome to another episode ofthe Starter Girlz Podcast.
(01:38):
I'm your host, jenniferLoehding, and wherever you are
tuning in today, we are so gladto have you, and this show is
all about celebrating those thatstep out, rise above challenges
, lead with purpose and createsuccess on their terms.
And so let's talk about burnout, because I think that's a big
thing.
It isn't just about being tired.
(02:01):
It's a signal that somethingdeeper needs to change, and my
guest today not only understandsthat truth, she's built a
mission around it.
After walking through her ownhealth and wellness
transformation, she's helpingothers take back control of
their energy, clarity andpurpose.
And so how can you go wrongtalking about those things.
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All right, it's time to welcomeour guest on the show today.
(04:07):
So Lisa Hammett, atransformational keynote and
TEDx speaker, internationalbestselling author, positive
intelligence certified coach andwellness expert, is joining us
today.
With 26 years of leadershipexperience in the high pressure
world of corporate retail, lisaknows the cost of burnout and
she's on a mission to end it,especially for professionals in
(04:29):
healthcare and HR.
After losing 65 pounds andreclaiming her own well-being,
lisa left corporate to empowerothers to take charge of their
health mentally, physically andemotionally.
She's helped thousands createsustainable lifestyle shifts and
is the author of From Burnoutto Best Life, a global
(04:50):
bestseller in 16 categories.
And so, lisa, I am so excitedto chat with you.
You got so many happening,things happen.
So welcome to the Starter GirlsShow.
Thank you so much, Jennifer.
Lisa Hammett (05:00):
I'm excited to be here.
Jennifer Loehding (05:02):
It's going to be fun.
Lisa Hammett (05:03):
I'm so excited.
Jennifer Loehding (05:04):
I always love my TEDx speakers because
they're just good.
You know, there's nothing morelike when you do a podcast.
I mean, I think you know Ialways say my objective.
I have, like, really two mainobjectives when I do this show.
One is to make sure my guestsalways have a great time.
I like my guests to leave andbe like man that was a fun
podcast and I like my audienceto be inspired and motivated to
create change, right, and so Ithink that's the cool thing
(05:26):
about this show is that we getto do that, you know, but I love
my TEDx speakers because Ithink the other part of that is
we have to have goodconversation, and so I think
that should be.
My third thing is that we needreally good conversation, Right,
absolutely.
(05:47):
So let's talk about Lisa,because you've had, you know, we
for our audience real quick.
Lisa and I got to meet outsideof the show, so I got to learn a
little bit about her journeyand we have a lot of parallels
different things, but some someparallels here and so yours kind
of started out in this wellnessjourney like healing yourself
and getting healthy, and thenyou've taken that into now a
space where you're working kindof in the corporate sector, in
the HR departments and in thewellness departments, which I
think is so huge.
(06:08):
So I'd love for you to sharewith our audience a little bit
about this journey, this segue,you know like what led to this
and got you here.
Lisa Hammett (06:15):
Absolutely so quick story.
As you had mentioned, jennifer,I spent 26 years in corporate
retail and I reached burnout andI ignored the wording fine and,
you know, let my health justcompletely deteriorate,
emotional and physical.
I gained weight, I wasdepressed, I almost lost my
(06:36):
marriage as a result and, in amoment of desperation, I just
quit my job without a nurse'sstrategy, which I highly
recommend that you do not do,because it resulted in
bankruptcy down the road.
But I share all that with youto say because now, because I
have the resources that I do, Icould have prevented it and I
(06:58):
really am passionate abouthelping people not go through
what I went through basically.
So, yeah, my first priority onleaving was losing the weight
and I did that.
And then I became a wellnesscoach and I did that for, oh
gosh, over 11 years.
And then, you know, fast forward, there's the pandemic and
(07:18):
people are coming to me thatgain weight, they're stressed,
they're burned out, and Irealized I needed a lot more
resources to be able to supportthese people.
So I leaned into, obviously, mytrainings, but also I
discovered positive intelligenceand that is what I'm certified
(07:38):
in and I really discovered thatit is an excellent resource to,
you know, mitigate stress andother negative emotions in the
moment.
So I became a certified coach.
I went through my life coachingcredentials, so that's kind of
what brought me to where I amtoday and I just kind of fell
into the industry the healthcareand HR industry because they
(08:03):
really resonated with my burnoutstory, because when I was in a
different industry they have,you know, similar stressors and
it's just ongoing all the time.
Jennifer Loehding (08:14):
So, yeah, yeah Well, and to kind of, I
guess, maybe piggyback on whatyou were saying.
I mean, you mentioned, you know, not knowing this, you know,
walking away from the job andthen having the bankruptcy and
not knowing this, like you did,recommend this, you would have
done differently, but I thinkthat's that's, that's how this
goes, right.
I mean, we all agree it's.
You wouldn't know theinformation you today had you
(08:34):
not gone through the experience,right, and so I think that's
what makes this story sopowerful.
You know, I love stories, I'malways a sucker for stories and
I think because when there's,you know, two people, people do
two things.
They either have a bad thinghappen and they do nothing with
it, they fall back into it, orthey allow it to happen again,
or maybe they weren't, they donothing with it.
And then there's the peoplethat get that have a bad
(08:55):
experience and they learn fromthe experience and they make
some kind of transformationalchange.
But I just got off.
I just, you know the episode Irecorded before yours.
We were talking about curiosityand chaos, right, and transfer.
Chaos comes beforetransformation, right, and I
think that's where we were kindof talking about this whole idea
about leading with curiosity,and I had another person I
(09:16):
interviewed not too long agothat kind of said the same thing
about leading with curiosity,right?
So when you have, like that,chaos happen, what do you do
with that chaos?
Do you lead with curiosity ordo you do nothing?
And you know, if you're leadingwith this curiosity, you're
coming from a place of how can Ido different, how can I show up
differently, how did I causethis?
(09:36):
What, what was my role in this?
Like you're leading with this,this, what is to be taken from
all of this, the extraction ofthis.
So I say all that to say thatyou know, basically to commend
you, because I don't think thatyou know, we have to, we have to
have all that to get where weare today.
Right, in that.
So I love it.
I do want to ask you, you know,because we talked about this
(09:58):
positive, what was it calledPositive psychology or positive
intelligence, which has apositive psychology?
That's why I keep thinking that, because that's a whole other
thing, this positiveintelligence.
I don't want you to tell useverything, because obviously
that's why you do your workshopsand people work with you, but
maybe give us just a little.
So our audience is kind of whatis this whole positive
(10:20):
intelligence thing she's talkingabout?
Give them maybe a little quick,brief overview of that.
Lisa Hammett (10:24):
Well, I'm going to tie it into what you just said
about the leading with curiosity, because that describes the
sage power.
So in a nutshell, you know wehave two sides of our brain.
We have our left brain,analytical brain, designed for
problem solving, but it alsogenerates all that mind trash
and that garbage and you know,stress, shame, blame, everything
.
And then our right brain, oursage brain, that's our positive
(10:47):
brain and when we're swimming inthat space we're curious.
We're able to handle challengeswith ease.
You know we don't become thevictim in it, we can see the big
picture and we're just betterequipped to lead and also to
just go through life, you know,with ease.
And I'm not saying thatchallenges go away by any means.
(11:10):
They don't.
They'll always be there.
So developing positiveintelligence and mental fitness
is a key component of that.
It is recognizing all thatnegative mind trash, that
garbage that is fueling ourbehavior in very dysfunctional
ways and oftentimes we're noteven aware of it because it
comes up from our subconsciousRight.
(11:31):
And it's being able to kind ofquiet those negative emotions,
because they don't alwayscompletely go away but you're
able to manage them so you canshift to that positive stage
perspective, so you can leadwith empathy, you can respond
with empathy, you can be curious, you can be happy, you can help
be healthy, you know, fulfilled.
(11:52):
So there's, there's differenttechniques that we can do.
So you know people say, well,what's different?
Because we call it PQ, and sohow is PQ different from EQ?
Jennifer Loehding (12:02):
You, know I've heard of EQ.
Lisa Hammett (12:04):
Well, there are similarities to it, but the big
difference with positiveintelligence is that it's an
operating system and it can beapplied to different areas of
life.
So it can be leadership, it canbe family development, it can
be relationships, it can be justyour overall health and
well-being, and it's built ondeveloping these mental fitness
(12:28):
habits that stay with youthrough life.
So, because you know, we and wetalked about this when we got
together, jennifer you know yougo to these conferences or you
go to these trainings and you,you're just enveloped with all
this amazing information andyou're like, wow, this is great.
And then you leave and you getback into your life and you're
like I don't remember anything.
(12:50):
Yeah, you remember what you dowith it, right, exactly.
You remember maybe one thingright, right, a hundred percent.
So you know, positiveintelligence gives you the
resources to make this lifelongapplication, which is great.
Jennifer Loehding (13:03):
I love this and you know what.
You know what's so great.
It's like I've had twoconversations with two different
people today and I love itbecause it's like one was very
like I don't even know how tolike the words that I want to
put it like picturesque,emotional, and it's similar.
We're having similarconversations, but different
conversations.
Do you know what I mean?
Like this is a very analyticaland practical like step of
(13:26):
conversation where this was morepicturesque and I maybe I don't
know how the word I'm lookingfor I'm going to have to go find
the word there there's almostlike the same things, but
they're different, you know andso interestingly that you say
this because I think I sharedthis with you when I was going
through and trying to like youknow cause I would go networking
and I would have these peoplebe like what are you doing?
I'm like, well, I'm a successarchitect because really what I
do is I help make people maketransformation that sticks.
(13:48):
But I couldn't isolate whatexactly what I was I doing.
I knew in my mind what I wasdoing.
I had to put a system togetherlike you're talking about.
I had to actually get some kindof a system so that I could say
, ok, I have a four-step systemnow that can help me.
That, I believe, can helppeople make transformation stick
, because it's what I do.
It's what I do.
(14:09):
It's nothing magic, but it'sall the resources I've pulled
together and I've developed thisout and figured out okay, these
are the things that I know inmy mind that have helped me
create change.
And it's things likeunderstanding, like your value
system, your strengths and yourweakness.
I mean, there's these things,these things that we have to
work through.
But the point I'm trying to makeis that it's what you're
talking about.
Like I would go and I'd hearall these things and I'm like,
(14:30):
okay, that's great, one personover here is talking about core
values and why you need to knowthat.
One person's over here talkingabout Meyer Briggs and strength
finders Okay, you need to knowthat.
One person's over here talkingabout the five stages of adult
development, which you need toknow that.
And I'm like, ok, I got to pullthis together in a formula
(14:50):
because I know all this andyou're trying to.
You can't, that's too much andmost people are not going to do
all that work.
So then I had to kind of bringthat into.
Ok, so what if we put thisformula, like you're talking
about these techniques or stepstogether that they can work
through, and you're like, okay,this is now easy to understand.
We have four things.
We're thinking about all ofthese things, these modality
(15:12):
things are in there, but we havethese four basic things we're
thinking about, you know, and itbecomes more practical and
rememberable for, or morememorable for, people and easier
to apply in their day to day.
Lisa Hammett (15:25):
Right yeah, Because you have these pillars.
There are four pillarsbasically.
Jennifer Loehding (15:29):
Yeah, yeah.
So that's why I say I know whenI talked to you, we were, we
had these similarities in thekind of the work we're doing.
But I love that you know you'recertified in the, in the
positive intelligence, because Ithink that this is so important
and it's not just about in theworkplace, right, it's really.
I mean, it affects your entirelife, it's how you show up in
all of the relationships younavigate 100% because you know,
(16:12):
yes, you might spend the forbidor just something.
Lisa Hammett (16:15):
You know all that stress, that worry that's going
to bleed into work and impactyour work performance.
So they're all intertwined andyou can't just say, okay, I'm
just going to put up this solidwall and when I step inside the
office I will never have anemotional thought about my
personal life.
(16:35):
I mean, that's ridiculous.
Jennifer Loehding (16:37):
Yeah Well, and you know, there was a time
when we kind of, you know, hadthis whole idea that work and
home life were, you know, keepyour problems at home.
And I mean, to some degreeyou've got to have the emotional
intelligence to be able to walkinto a place and not let that
dominate.
That's what we just said, right, Right.
But really it's affecting youon a nervous system level.
(17:01):
I mean, whatever's going onhere is affecting you and it's
changing the way you areoperating, either physically or
it's coming out in your mind.
It's one way or another it'sshowing up, you know.
And so I think this whole ideaof learning to understand, I
think the importance of why youneed to know this and learning
ways to get better at that, it'snot just about the words that
are coming out of your mouth,it's a physical manifestation,
(17:23):
you know, like I've often said,you know, like a lot of my I say
craziness, when I'm in thechaos, it will manifest into my
health, it will show up in thatway.
And when you're healthy, then itstarts messing with the head
and you've got a lot of thingsgoing on, and so this stuff is
so important on so many levels.
You know, and I think whatyou're doing is awesome.
(17:46):
I love that you're going intothe you know the corporate
sector, because they don't Idon't know they talk about this
stuff as much, you know, and soyeah, I mean a lot of
organizations don't.
Lisa Hammett (17:55):
Some are getting pretty good at it and you know
they have a wellness component.
But then there's otherorganizations that say that they
do have this wellness component, but then they never allow
their workers to have the timeto utilize the resources that
they provide them.
So there's a lot, and you know,with the whole mandates of
(18:18):
having to go back in the office,you know this has really
created a lot of issue forpeople because a number of the
individuals who are beingmandated to go back in the
office were never hired to be inan office environment.
They were in a work from home.
Obviously, the ones who used tobe in an office, they might not
going to work from home.
Obviously the ones who used tobe in an office, they might not
(18:38):
like the idea of going back.
But hey, that's how they werehired.
They were hired that way.
Deal with it.
And if you don't like thatanymore, then go find something
that's 100% virtual or hybrid,but there is such a vast
majority of people that were nothired for that.
And then you know they're notcompensated for Trimble because
(18:59):
obviously, you know there's acommute involved.
Rarely do people live withinfive minutes of where they work.
You know, it's just, it'slimiting.
And then there's the wardrobe.
You know there's the wear andtear on the vehicle, I mean, and
they're not compensated forthat, so that's.
And if you have kids, I mean,can't forget the kids, what do
you do, you know, if you havesmaller children.
(19:20):
So it's, it's a big problem.
It really is.
And you know, one of thebiggest benefits in the
corporate sector is when theycan allow that flexibility.
And it's, it's just been blownup now with, you know, so many
mandates coming from Washington.
It's just a mess.
Jennifer Loehding (19:39):
Yeah, I mean, people get.
You know, one of the things wewere talking about today and the
previous is really about, youknow, looking at change and
asking the question do we needto make change?
Right, like, do we need tobring about some change?
And looking at the you know,the larger, grand picture of
things, instead of being hung on.
Hung on or clinging to We'vealways done it this way, so why
(20:02):
would we change?
You know, I think the smarterwe get, the more knowledge we
get, the more we evolve and weshould be open to saying maybe
we need to do things a littlebit differently.
You know, maybe we need to givethem more time to to pour their
wellness and because thenthey're going to show up happier
and they're going to be moreproductive.
I mean, I like, at the veryfundamental, I'll tell you this
(20:24):
when I was in college, I workedfor an insurance agent and I
remember coming in, so I wasgoing to school full time and
then I would go in like threedays a week.
I'd go in after, like from oneo'clock to five o'clock, and
then on the opposing days, I'dgo in from eight to five.
On the days that I would show upfor one to five, I would be
like, listen, we jamming man, Ihad four hours to get that work
(20:44):
done.
Crank it out, and on the dayswhen I had to be there from
eight to five, it was like giveme a break, like I was like
poking, poking, poking, you know, because I was just more
effective in that short time.
And I'm not advocating that weneed to do that with everybody,
but I think the thing I'm tryingto say is that sometimes we
have to look at systems and theway we're doing something and
(21:05):
say maybe this isn't working,maybe, you know, we need to
assess it.
But also, you know, if we getinto just go back to what I was
saying like strengths andweaknesses also recognizing that
the people that we're workingwith, how they thrive, because
some people like me who are highenergy, can get a lot done in a
very short amount of time,whereas I'm going to get bored
very easily and if you tried tolike I would.
(21:26):
I would die if, right now, if Ihad to go back to sit at a desk
all day.
I'm not begrudging anybodybecause I recognize we have to
do the things we have to do, butoh my gosh, lisa, if I had to
sit at a desk all day and be ona phone and type and have to sit
at that desk, I think I'd gonuts.
I would be like man, I am goingto need like some music in here
.
Lisa Hammett (21:46):
Oh, I'm 100% the same way and I mean I like
people and I enjoy.
What I like about the work thatwe do is that you know it's
it's diversive, so you know wego out and we speak or we coach,
or you know.
So some of it is virtual,obviously, but you know we, we
dictate that we have controlover them.
(22:07):
We're not mandated to just sitfor eight hours at a time and I
would just die.
Yeah, I couldn't go back tothem.
I just I couldn die.
Yeah, I couldn't go back tothem, I just I couldn't.
Jennifer Loehding (22:17):
Yeah, I think it really comes to the not to
yeah your values and then, whereyou know your strengths are
right, like you know.
I mean, could we sit in a chairall day?
Yes, we could sit in a chairall day If we had.
If we knew we had to do it, wecould do it.
Lisa Hammett (22:37):
It doesn't mean we're going to be happy.
It exactly, exactly.
And you know, I mean I.
I believe that we were givencertain strengths.
Yes, and it's our ability, aswe go through life, to really
understand what those strengthsare.
What we're passionate aboutties into the whole core values
thing, and then we align thatwith what we're doing, and when
all of those are in alignment,then that is when we're really
showing up as our best self,we're leading in the right way
(22:58):
and we're attracting the rightpeople and we're serving, you
know, truly in how we were meantto serve.
Yeah, absolutely, I agree withyou.
Jennifer Loehding (23:07):
That's why I had to put all those pillars
together, because it was likewhat is it that you know, like
when you're trying to figurethis out, like because it's not
just one thing, it's not justget up and implement healthy
habits.
You know, wherever your peoplecome in, the door is where they
come in.
And both you and I, we enteredthis segue in a health place.
From a health perspective, bothof us had some kind of crisis
(23:29):
going on that put us at theforefront of taking a moment to
pause about how we were showingup, like well, how were we
affecting our health, like whatwas actually causing this, and
that kind of spawned thecuriosity into a deeper you know
, how are we showing up and howare we leading and how is that
making a difference in the worldaround us?
And so, yeah, I think when youstart to do that and get into
(23:52):
those places where you're askingthose questions and, like you
say, get into your purpose andthat's, and you're not going to
do that and get into thoseplaces where you're asking those
questions and, like you say,get into your purpose.
And you're not going to do that.
unless you start askingquestions, you're never going to
figure that out unless youstart getting curious and I
think you know it goes so muchto say when we talk about like
this curiosity thing thatsometimes we get so set in this
idea of what we think we shouldbe doing and how we should be,
you know, moving about, andwe're unhappy because that's the
(24:15):
should, it's not aligning withthe values and the strengths.
You know.
It's just I think I should bedoing this because everybody
else, I guess, is doing that, orthat's what maybe mom and dad
told us, or that's what theeducation told us, or whatever
that is.
Lisa Hammett (24:31):
So I'm with you on that.
Yeah, that's setting yourselfup for failure, in my opinion.
Jennifer Loehding (24:35):
Yeah, that's setting yourself up for failure,
in my opinion.
Lisa Hammett (24:36):
Yeah absolutely Trying to conform to something.
Yeah, and it's, and you know,really to find your purpose and
your why you gotta.
It's a little uncomfortable atfirst because you gotta ask
yourself some tough questions.
And you know I'm not sayingdon't do it, absolutely do it,
but you have to take stock ofwhere are you right now and to
(24:58):
really get to where you want tobe.
It's scary, sometimes you justgot to get mad.
Yeah, exactly yeah.
Jennifer Loehding (25:06):
I'm with you.
So I want to know and this isgoing to be a no brainer, really
a no brainer question for youbut I think people that,
listening to this, they look atyou and me and these people that
I bring on here and they think,well, you guys just got it all
figured out because you're there.
We're like no, we didn't.
We've had to like kind ofevolve to that place.
Right, but maybe, as you know,moving from you know you were in
retail and in this corporatesector for a really long time.
(25:28):
Now me, I wasn't in thecorporate as long.
I've been out kind of doing mything for a long time but
somebody coming from that spaceinto this, now I'm on my own.
You know you worked through thewhole bankruptcy thing.
You did the health challenge.
You know what were maybe someof the I guess, lessons you had
to learn in that transition fromcorporate to entrepreneur.
Lisa Hammett (25:50):
Well, I mean it ties back to you know what we
were just saying of what areyour passion, your core values,
you know kind of thing, so thatyou can kind of move into
something that better serves youand fulfills you as well.
But I'll be honest, it was a lotof self-development.
I mean, by the time I hadreached burnout, I was so
(26:14):
negative.
I was that toxic, negativeperson that you can't stand to
be around because I was somiserable and that's where I
most broke up my marriage.
And you know you can't expectto get anything positive in life
if you're swimming innegativity.
Right, I mean you have to shiftyour mindset and I think that
is really the number one thingthat needs to shift when you're
(26:38):
making that kind of evolution,because when you have that kind
of mindset, everything else kindof falls into place.
I mean you start eating better,you start moving your body
better, you know you.
Just, you show up as a muchbetter person and you get, get
curious, and it all ties intowhat's in your head and I know
(27:00):
for a lot of people.
That sounds really woo woo, butit's true, I mean and I use this
example all the time.
It's like, how do Olympians, howdo professional athletes, how
do they win medals, how do theywin trophies?
It's because they have thisvision in their head of what
(27:20):
it's going to be like to winthat.
Or you know what they aspiremost in life and you have to
have that solid vision to kindof lead you.
And then you know your goalsand action steps.
That's kind of you know whatkeeps you going, but the you
know the compass.
It's really that vision.
(27:41):
It's a big question, so youhave to develop that.
Jennifer Loehding (27:44):
Yeah Well, and you mentioned, you know,
being around the negative person.
I think there's, you know, thenegative from being burnt out
and I think that's a really good, a good indicator that you're
in burnout stage.
But I think a lot of peopledon't really recognize that
right, because it's not anovernight, it's a gradual
process.
You might be this happy personand then all of a sudden you get
to that place where, like,you're just negative all the
(28:04):
time and you don't even reallyrealize it Right, you don't even
realize you've made thattransformation because it's been
a gradual progression to aburnout.
And then, by the time you get tothat you know, and I feel like
all of us experience at sometime or another that little bit
of burnout where we're just likeI'm just done and I'm like you
can't.
You know, like you just, andeverybody handles it differently
(28:26):
, like in your case that youknow people walk away, they
freeze, you know they all, theyall do differently with that.
But I think it's so importantto recognize that because I will
tell you, and you're probablylike me, there's nothing worse
like where we are to be aroundsomebody that's negative, like
that.
Oh, my goodness, you just wantto go nuts Cause you're just
like everything is spiraling foryou and if you just could
(28:46):
change the way you're lookingjust a little bit, everything
would, the whole, it would shift, everything would look
differently, you know.
But it's so hard because whenyou're in it, you're in it and
you have to recognize it to getout of it.
Lisa Hammett (28:59):
You know what I mean 100%, oh, 100%.
And then when you do get out ofit and you want to achieve what
you want most in life, youreally have to protect your
energy, and if you're aroundpeople that suck the life out of
you, you're not going to getwhat you want, you're going to
be miserable, you're going to goback down that rabbit hole.
(29:19):
So it's really aligningyourself with those individuals
that are energy givers, notenergy drainers.
Jennifer Loehding (29:27):
Yeah, we used to say and you know, mary Kay,
when we would bring people inour unit, it wasn't that we
didn't like the consultantstalking to each other, but we
would always say like if youwere going through something,
talk to your upline because theywere in a position where they
could pour into you.
Because a lot of times theconsultants would be like girl
you got to, oh, I got to, andthen they just go back and forth
(29:47):
, even on that energy, right.
But if you would go to somebodylike you're talking about,
that's in a position andequipped to actually help you
work out of that, they're goingto be skilled enough to get you
out of that and not keep thatloop going of negativity, right.
So I have a great friend herethat I'm here locally.
(30:08):
She's the one that we'restarting the networking.
She's really good at redirecting, which and because both of us
she's been, she was, she's beenAmerican 30 years, I was in 22.
So we kind of know these little, you know these little hacks,
but she is so gifted atredirecting people.
I think that's one of her best,like she's a great friend
anyways.
But I just think that's areally good skill that she's
developed, because when you'rein those situations and you've
got that going on.
(30:29):
You know how, as a leader, doyou navigate that and move that
conversation so that we get outof that.
You know, out of that loopright, and right now I'm sitting
here thinking about the fivedysfunctions of a team.
Lisa Hammett (30:47):
We know a lot of my going to say when you were
saying that is no big of thosemeetings, you know that you're
going into whether you're theleader, or maybe it was before
you actually became the leaderand it just turns into this
toxic, down this rabbit hole,because one person brings up
something, instead of thinkingsomething constructively and
sticking to the agenda, they gooff on this rabbit hole tangent,
(31:07):
and then it just everybody inthat room, it just is this toxic
spiral and you leave and you'relike what the heck happened?
Jennifer Loehding (31:15):
I was gonna say, you and I are the ones over
there going really like,seriously, what's happening
right now?
Like that I have been, it wasmeetings and I've been like now,
like I seriously can't take it.
I I will I'm not very good athiding like my, my, you know,
I'm getting disgusted.
I'm going to be like I got toget up, like I'm going to go to
the bathroom or go make a phonecall or something, cause I can't
(31:36):
sit in this energy Like I justcannot stand.
And you know what's interesting,lisa, is like you mentioned you
know you being negative.
I mentioned you know you beingnegative.
I've been that way too, like II'm not going to, I mean we've,
I feel like we've all kind of Imean maybe there are some people
that never they are fortunateenough that they don't.
But I think most of usexperience those kinds of things
and I and I think we're humansand so there are times that
we're negative.
(31:56):
But I think there's adifference between being a
negative occasionally and justbeing, and also you know, when
we're like that, how we'reaffecting other people.
Because when I think you startyou know I talk a lot about this
when I worked with this mentorthis whole subject object shift
(32:17):
right when you start recognizingthat you are controlling.
I like to use kind of this ideaof a game controller like
you're the character in a gameright Now.
If you're looking on theoutside in, you're controlling
your character.
Your character is going tonavigate the outcome of the game
, so it's also going to navigatewhat's going on around you.
So it may not directlyinfluence everybody's move, but
(32:39):
you're having an impact oneverybody you come in contact
with and so if you're showing upand excuse my friends you're
being an ass with, and so ifyou're showing up and excuse my
friends, you're being an ass.
You're those people negatively,right you know.
So we have to be conscientiousof how we show up, and this goes
back to what you're talkingabout, this positive
intelligence, being aware of howyou're behaving, it does In
(33:02):
speaking engagements when I'mtalking about we call them
saboteur traits and they're likecontroller, stickler.
Lisa Hammett (33:08):
You know the perfectionist, what have you?
But there's one that is calledthe hypervigilant, and the
hypervigilant is the person thatis very self-aware, which is
good if you're anticipatingdanger.
So if you're a first responderparamedic, you know that's a
great thing.
But it goes to the extreme andit's that person that is always
(33:29):
paranoid that something bad isgoing to happen.
And I use the example that howdo you feel when you're around
somebody who is always paranoidthat something bad is going to
happen?
And it's just constantly out oftheir mouth and they're like
nervous, anxious, irritated,want to smack them.
I'm like absolutely, and thenexactly and that is exactly what
(33:51):
you're talking about, of how wecall it a saboteur contagion,
where it's somebody's emotions,their saboteurs are infecting
somebody else and that's how weinfluence behavior in very
negative ways.
But when we show up verypositively and we lead with
curiosity and empathy andclear-headed focus and we can
(34:12):
see the big picture, you know,showing up as our best self,
that also transfers to otherpeople.
Jennifer Loehding (34:21):
Yeah, I know I agree with you and it's much
better, I feel like when youhave the warm, fuzzy energy
going on.
It's much happier so muchhappier no-transcript, and I
(34:50):
love what you're doing, I think.
I think all of this is soimportant, so you have a book,
right?
Am I?
Did I get that right?
Did I say that at the beginning?
Cause my brain it's getting onthe hunger mode now, so it's
going a little stupid.
Lisa Hammett (35:04):
And my second book , which is the sequel to it, is
coming out next month.
Jennifer Loehding (35:09):
Okay.
The first one's about burnout.
What's this one going to bearound?
Well, they're both.
Lisa Hammett (35:14):
So the series is from burnout to best life and
this one was really developinghealthy habits.
So I had a section on mindsetand what you put in your body,
how you move your body, sleep,you know it's more holistic
wellness, that kind of thing.
And then this one really takesa deep dive into mindset and
positive intelligence, becauseat the time that I wrote the
(35:35):
first book it was already beingedited when I was getting
certified in positiveintelligence, but it didn't
include any of that.
So this one is all about, youknow, diving into that positive
intelligence and how it impactsyou in the workplace if you're a
leader, how you show up ifyou're looking for a job because
that is such a big thing rightnow and just I mean how you
(35:59):
navigate life in general and howit impacts your relationships
and just what you want in life.
Jennifer Loehding (36:06):
I love it, I love it and you know what?
I think it's just sointeresting, the parallels in
our lives with our, I guess ourentry into this, because my book
that I wrote I only wrote one,I don't know if I want to write
another one right now that's noton my calling list right now
Because it's just not that itwas hard, it's just time
consuming it is my first one wasreally a lot about the wellness
(36:29):
side of things because that wassort of the entry way I think I
got.
I started to get into likeaffirmation.
But since then I mean I got myneurological fitness training
done, certified in that, andreally got into more stuff.
And I was working with a mentorfor a while and studied I think
is Robert Kramer the fivestages of adult development and
I don't know why we thought likeI didn't.
(36:50):
I don't even know why I thoughtthis never even existed, you
know, but I wasn't really, Iguess, in the place of
understanding, like emotionalintelligence and like we're
talking about the EQ, all ofthat stuff.
And when I studied that youknow, went through that and for
anybody listening to that, golook it up because it's actually
interesting.
You adults have stages ofdevelopment, they do, and once
(37:10):
you go through those you willstart pinpointing people that
you know that fall into each ofthose categories.
The funny thing is we tend tonavigate, you know, like there,
if you go to the top one,obviously these are going to be
our leaders on the top, but theygo all the way down to, like
the self-centered person who isbasically just completely
(37:30):
they're like a 17 year old child, like they're completely
oblivious to the world aroundthem.
But if you think about this,talk about from a health
perspective, this mentor that Iworked with talked about how we
might be say we're up at thishigher level but then we like
we've been saying throughoutthis, you go into a meeting or
you go home to family and all ofa sudden you got to jump down
now to this level.
(37:51):
You're operating mostly at thislevel, but now you come to this
level and he was even gettingback to why you think about,
like us, being not well, likephysically ill, because we're
bouncing around between thesedifferent levels, and so I often
joke about this.
I love my parents but, man, Itell you, it is chaotic when I.
It's not as bad now.
(38:11):
I feel like it's better now,but there for a while I go back
to visit and, lisa, I tell you,like I didn't even realize this,
but I would get so internallyworked up and I didn't even know
this was going on On the ridehome I would always come home
with a migraine.
Oh wow, On the way back I wouldget a migraine, and I think it
was because I had worked myselfup so much going.
Lisa Hammett (38:31):
Yeah.
Jennifer Loehding (38:32):
Because it wasn't that we were going to,
anybody was going to think bad.
We just would always get intothese like dumb arguments or it
just would be chaotic.
And I think in my mind and Iwill tell you, you know, like I
don't get the migraine so muchanymore.
But the same thing here nowwhen I get into situations where
I feel like there's going to betoxicity, or because to me that
(38:53):
chaos is a lot of toxicity isattached to it.
I will start getting internally.
I will have things.
I have to really work at my youknow, my nervous system stuff
and really work at my habits andmy protective measures to make
sure that I keep myself in check, because if I don't then it
(39:14):
will manifest into health stuffLike I will just oh, yeah, yeah,
weird things will happen.
Lisa Hammett (39:20):
You know, I'm the same way.
I mean, that's your body'sreaction to stress and mine is
always like stomach related,that's always so fun you know.
And my it was funny because myGI doctor said well, you
manifest the people who havemigraine.
You're basically having amigraine in your stomach.
Jennifer Loehding (39:35):
Yeah.
Lisa Hammett (39:36):
And I'm like, oh, that's really interesting, but
it's everybody's different, youknow.
Some could be sciatic issuesthat you oh no, that would be
something else.
No, your body can manifestwhatever it wants when stress is
yeah or it'll make it hurtworse, that's for sure.
Jennifer Loehding (39:54):
If you've got sciatica it can make it hurt.
I have sciatica, so I know Iget it.
But it always flares up.
It always does Like right nowit's fine, I'm not knowing, but
I will tell you it.
It will flare up when there's alot of just emotion and it's
emotional chaos, right.
Lisa Hammett (40:09):
A hundred percent.
Jennifer Loehding (40:10):
It weighs on you.
So this is good, this is goodfood for thought, and so I'd
love to know, for anybodylistening to this, like what is
it?
Because you wrote this in yourfirst book, these habits?
So maybe let's backpedal to oneof those.
Maybe like something that, ifsomebody's starting to feel we
talked a lot about, you know, wetalked about making sure you're
around the right people, rightbut maybe something that
(40:30):
somebody, if they're starting torecognize the signs that
they're traveling down thatburnout trail, what is something
they can maybe do to help themin this right now.
Like something, like a step,something they could do.
Lisa Hammett (40:45):
Get help.
I mean they do I'm not sayingthat.
You have to admit yourself to,you know, seek help, you know,
and that could be supportthrough a mentor.
I don't recommend familymembers, and not to say that
family isn't a great dynamic ina lot of cases, but they're not
(41:07):
always objective and you needsomebody who is objective.
So it could be a counselor, acoach, it could be a therapist
and you know, for a lot ofpeople they're like well, I
don't want to spend money oncoaching or whatever and like,
okay, you know, start withsomething that your health
insurance will pay for.
Yeah, you know, talk tosomebody.
Or Talk to somebody or a closeconfidant that you have had in
(41:31):
your life, If you have a pastorthat you feel comfortable
talking to talk to somebody whois objective, because that
individual is going to give adifferent perspective.
Because when you're stuck in theweeds in it, what you're doing
is fixating in that misery andyou can't like zoom out to
(41:52):
really see what the issue is,and an objective person can't.
And I mean coaching is great,but I recognize that that's a
scary step for a lot of peopleinitially.
So, you know, just talk tosomebody.
Jennifer Loehding (42:07):
I think that's great advice.
I agree with you and I think,yes, family's not the best when
it comes to that.
I would not argue with you onany of that.
I agree.
Yeah, all right.
Well, this has been great, lisa.
I love what you're doing and Ithink it's much needed work.
Anybody listening to this maywant to catch up with you.
They might want to find yourbook, they might want to follow
you, they might want to reachout, see what you've got going
on.
Where do we want to send them?
Lisa Hammett (42:28):
To my website and my name is up here.
It's basically lisahammettcom,really difficult.
Jennifer Loehding (42:35):
We'll make sure in the show notes we get it
in there so they know where tofind you and that way, if
they're in that phase right now,maybe it'll encourage them to
just pause and say, hey, I needto do something differently,
whether that is to go seek helpor, you know, find a book, I
(42:57):
don't know, a resource, whateveryou need to maybe get you in
that right, make that step to goto a different direction right,
100%, 100%.
Lisa Hammett (43:06):
Well, thank you, this has been amazing.
Jennifer Loehding (43:07):
Yeah, it's been fun All right, of course,
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must start, and every startbegins with a decision.
You guys, take care, be safe,be kind to one another and we
will see you next time.
I was that toxic, negative person that you can't
stand to be around because I wasso miserable and that's what
most broke up my marriage.
And you can't expect to getanything positive in life if
you're swimming in negativity.
Right, I mean you have to shiftyour mindset, and I think that
is really the number one thingthat needs to shift when you're
(00:22):
making that kind of evolution,because when you have that kind
of mindset, everything else kindof falls into place.
I mean, you start eating better, you start moving your body
better, you know you just youshow up as a much better person
and you get curious and it allties into what's in your head
and I know for a lot of peoplethat sounds really woo-woo, but
(00:46):
it's the truth.
Jennifer Loehding (00:48):
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So Lisa Hammett, atransformational keynote and
TEDx speaker, internationalbestselling author, positive
intelligence certified coach andwellness expert, is joining us
today.
With 26 years of leadershipexperience in the high pressure
world of corporate retail, lisaknows the cost of burnout and
she's on a mission to end it,especially for professionals in
(04:29):
healthcare and HR.
After losing 65 pounds andreclaiming her own well-being,
lisa left corporate to empowerothers to take charge of their
health mentally, physically andemotionally.
She's helped thousands createsustainable lifestyle shifts and
is the author of From Burnoutto Best Life, a global
(04:50):
bestseller in 16 categories.
And so, lisa, I am so excitedto chat with you.
You got so many happening,things happen.
So welcome to the Starter GirlsShow.
Thank you so much, Jennifer.
Lisa Hammett (05:00):
I'm excited to be here.
Jennifer Loehding (05:02):
It's going to be fun.
Lisa Hammett (05:03):
I'm so excited.
Jennifer Loehding (05:04):
I always love my TEDx speakers because
they're just good.
You know, there's nothing morelike when you do a podcast.
I mean, I think you know Ialways say my objective.
I have, like, really two mainobjectives when I do this show.
One is to make sure my guestsalways have a great time.
I like my guests to leave andbe like man that was a fun
podcast and I like my audienceto be inspired and motivated to
create change, right, and so Ithink that's the cool thing
(05:26):
about this show is that we getto do that, you know, but I love
my TEDx speakers because Ithink the other part of that is
we have to have goodconversation, and so I think
that should be.
My third thing is that we needreally good conversation, Right,
absolutely.
(05:47):
So let's talk about Lisa,because you've had, you know, we
for our audience real quick.
Lisa and I got to meet outsideof the show, so I got to learn a
little bit about her journeyand we have a lot of parallels
different things, but some someparallels here and so yours kind
of started out in this wellnessjourney like healing yourself
and getting healthy, and thenyou've taken that into now a
space where you're working kindof in the corporate sector, in
the HR departments and in thewellness departments, which I
think is so huge.
(06:08):
So I'd love for you to sharewith our audience a little bit
about this journey, this segue,you know like what led to this
and got you here.
Lisa Hammett (06:15):
Absolutely so quick story.
As you had mentioned, jennifer,I spent 26 years in corporate
retail and I reached burnout andI ignored the wording fine and,
you know, let my health justcompletely deteriorate,
emotional and physical.
I gained weight, I wasdepressed, I almost lost my
(06:36):
marriage as a result and, in amoment of desperation, I just
quit my job without a nurse'sstrategy, which I highly
recommend that you do not do,because it resulted in
bankruptcy down the road.
But I share all that with youto say because now, because I
have the resources that I do, Icould have prevented it and I
(06:58):
really am passionate abouthelping people not go through
what I went through basically.
So, yeah, my first priority onleaving was losing the weight
and I did that.
And then I became a wellnesscoach and I did that for, oh
gosh, over 11 years.
And then, you know, fast forward, there's the pandemic and
(07:18):
people are coming to me thatgain weight, they're stressed,
they're burned out, and Irealized I needed a lot more
resources to be able to supportthese people.
So I leaned into, obviously, mytrainings, but also I
discovered positive intelligenceand that is what I'm certified
(07:38):
in and I really discovered thatit is an excellent resource to,
you know, mitigate stress andother negative emotions in the
moment.
So I became a certified coach.
I went through my life coachingcredentials, so that's kind of
what brought me to where I amtoday and I just kind of fell
into the industry the healthcareand HR industry because they
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really resonated with my burnoutstory, because when I was in a
different industry they have,you know, similar stressors and
it's just ongoing all the time.
Jennifer Loehding (08:14):
So, yeah, yeah Well, and to kind of, I
guess, maybe piggyback on whatyou were saying.
I mean, you mentioned, you know, not knowing this, you know,
walking away from the job andthen having the bankruptcy and
not knowing this, like you did,recommend this, you would have
done differently, but I thinkthat's that's, that's how this
goes, right.
I mean, we all agree it's.
You wouldn't know theinformation you today had you
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not gone through the experience,right, and so I think that's
what makes this story sopowerful.
You know, I love stories, I'malways a sucker for stories and
I think because when there's,you know, two people, people do
two things.
They either have a bad thinghappen and they do nothing with
it, they fall back into it, orthey allow it to happen again,
or maybe they weren't, they donothing with it.
And then there's the peoplethat get that have a bad
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experience and they learn fromthe experience and they make
some kind of transformationalchange.
But I just got off.
I just, you know the episode Irecorded before yours.
We were talking about curiosityand chaos, right, and transfer.
Chaos comes beforetransformation, right, and I
think that's where we were kindof talking about this whole idea
about leading with curiosity,and I had another person I
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interviewed not too long agothat kind of said the same thing
about leading with curiosity,right?
So when you have, like that,chaos happen, what do you do
with that chaos?
Do you lead with curiosity ordo you do nothing?
And you know, if you're leadingwith this curiosity, you're
coming from a place of how can Ido different, how can I show up
differently, how did I causethis?
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What, what was my role in this?
Like you're leading with this,this, what is to be taken from
all of this, the extraction ofthis.
So I say all that to say thatyou know, basically to commend
you, because I don't think thatyou know, we have to, we have to
have all that to get where weare today.
Right, in that.
So I love it.
I do want to ask you, you know,because we talked about this
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positive, what was it calledPositive psychology or positive
intelligence, which has apositive psychology?
That's why I keep thinking that, because that's a whole other
thing, this positiveintelligence.
I don't want you to tell useverything, because obviously
that's why you do your workshopsand people work with you, but
maybe give us just a little.
So our audience is kind of whatis this whole positive
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intelligence thing she's talkingabout?
Give them maybe a little quick,brief overview of that.
Lisa Hammett (10:24):
Well, I'm going to tie it into what you just said
about the leading with curiosity, because that describes the
sage power.
So in a nutshell, you know wehave two sides of our brain.
We have our left brain,analytical brain, designed for
problem solving, but it alsogenerates all that mind trash
and that garbage and you know,stress, shame, blame, everything
.
And then our right brain, oursage brain, that's our positive
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brain and when we're swimming inthat space we're curious.
We're able to handle challengeswith ease.
You know we don't become thevictim in it, we can see the big
picture and we're just betterequipped to lead and also to
just go through life, you know,with ease.
And I'm not saying thatchallenges go away by any means.
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They don't.
They'll always be there.
So developing positiveintelligence and mental fitness
is a key component of that.
It is recognizing all thatnegative mind trash, that
garbage that is fueling ourbehavior in very dysfunctional
ways and oftentimes we're noteven aware of it because it
comes up from our subconsciousRight.
(11:31):
And it's being able to kind ofquiet those negative emotions,
because they don't alwayscompletely go away but you're
able to manage them so you canshift to that positive stage
perspective, so you can leadwith empathy, you can respond
with empathy, you can be curious, you can be happy, you can help
be healthy, you know, fulfilled.
(11:52):
So there's, there's differenttechniques that we can do.
So you know people say, well,what's different?
Because we call it PQ, and sohow is PQ different from EQ?
Jennifer Loehding (12:02):
You, know I've heard of EQ.
Lisa Hammett (12:04):
Well, there are similarities to it, but the big
difference with positiveintelligence is that it's an
operating system and it can beapplied to different areas of
life.
So it can be leadership, it canbe family development, it can
be relationships, it can be justyour overall health and
well-being, and it's built ondeveloping these mental fitness
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habits that stay with youthrough life.
So, because you know, we and wetalked about this when we got
together, jennifer you know yougo to these conferences or you
go to these trainings and you,you're just enveloped with all
this amazing information andyou're like, wow, this is great.
And then you leave and you getback into your life and you're
like I don't remember anything.
(12:50):
Yeah, you remember what you dowith it, right, exactly.
You remember maybe one thingright, right, a hundred percent.
So you know, positiveintelligence gives you the
resources to make this lifelongapplication, which is great.
Jennifer Loehding (13:03):
I love this and you know what.
You know what's so great.
It's like I've had twoconversations with two different
people today and I love itbecause it's like one was very
like I don't even know how tolike the words that I want to
put it like picturesque,emotional, and it's similar.
We're having similarconversations, but different
conversations.
Do you know what I mean?
Like this is a very analyticaland practical like step of
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conversation where this was morepicturesque and I maybe I don't
know how the word I'm lookingfor I'm going to have to go find
the word there there's almostlike the same things, but
they're different, you know andso interestingly that you say
this because I think I sharedthis with you when I was going
through and trying to like youknow cause I would go networking
and I would have these peoplebe like what are you doing?
I'm like, well, I'm a successarchitect because really what I
do is I help make people maketransformation that sticks.
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But I couldn't isolate whatexactly what I was I doing.
I knew in my mind what I wasdoing.
I had to put a system togetherlike you're talking about.
I had to actually get some kindof a system so that I could say
, ok, I have a four-step systemnow that can help me.
That, I believe, can helppeople make transformation stick
, because it's what I do.
It's what I do.
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It's nothing magic, but it'sall the resources I've pulled
together and I've developed thisout and figured out okay, these
are the things that I know inmy mind that have helped me
create change.
And it's things likeunderstanding, like your value
system, your strengths and yourweakness.
I mean, there's these things,these things that we have to
work through.
But the point I'm trying to makeis that it's what you're
talking about.
Like I would go and I'd hearall these things and I'm like,
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okay, that's great, one personover here is talking about core
values and why you need to knowthat.
One person's over here talkingabout Meyer Briggs and strength
finders Okay, you need to knowthat.
One person's over here talkingabout the five stages of adult
development, which you need toknow that.
And I'm like, ok, I got to pullthis together in a formula
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because I know all this andyou're trying to.
You can't, that's too much andmost people are not going to do
all that work.
So then I had to kind of bringthat into.
Ok, so what if we put thisformula, like you're talking
about these techniques or stepstogether that they can work
through, and you're like, okay,this is now easy to understand.
We have four things.
We're thinking about all ofthese things, these modality
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things are in there, but we havethese four basic things we're
thinking about, you know, and itbecomes more practical and
rememberable for, or morememorable for, people and easier
to apply in their day to day.
Lisa Hammett (15:25):
Right yeah, Because you have these pillars.
There are four pillarsbasically.
Jennifer Loehding (15:29):
Yeah, yeah.
So that's why I say I know whenI talked to you, we were, we
had these similarities in thekind of the work we're doing.
But I love that you know you'recertified in the, in the
positive intelligence, because Ithink that this is so important
and it's not just about in theworkplace, right, it's really.
I mean, it affects your entirelife, it's how you show up in
all of the relationships younavigate 100% because you know,
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yes, you might spend the forbidor just something.
Lisa Hammett (16:15):
You know all that stress, that worry that's going
to bleed into work and impactyour work performance.
So they're all intertwined andyou can't just say, okay, I'm
just going to put up this solidwall and when I step inside the
office I will never have anemotional thought about my
personal life.
(16:35):
I mean, that's ridiculous.
Jennifer Loehding (16:37):
Yeah Well, and you know, there was a time
when we kind of, you know, hadthis whole idea that work and
home life were, you know, keepyour problems at home.
And I mean, to some degreeyou've got to have the emotional
intelligence to be able to walkinto a place and not let that
dominate.
That's what we just said, right, Right.
But really it's affecting youon a nervous system level.
(17:01):
I mean, whatever's going onhere is affecting you and it's
changing the way you areoperating, either physically or
it's coming out in your mind.
It's one way or another it'sshowing up, you know.
And so I think this whole ideaof learning to understand, I
think the importance of why youneed to know this and learning
ways to get better at that, it'snot just about the words that
are coming out of your mouth,it's a physical manifestation,
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you know, like I've often said,you know, like a lot of my I say
craziness, when I'm in thechaos, it will manifest into my
health, it will show up in thatway.
And when you're healthy, then itstarts messing with the head
and you've got a lot of thingsgoing on, and so this stuff is
so important on so many levels.
You know, and I think whatyou're doing is awesome.
(17:46):
I love that you're going intothe you know the corporate
sector, because they don't Idon't know they talk about this
stuff as much, you know, and soyeah, I mean a lot of
organizations don't.
Lisa Hammett (17:55):
Some are getting pretty good at it and you know
they have a wellness component.
But then there's otherorganizations that say that they
do have this wellness component, but then they never allow
their workers to have the timeto utilize the resources that
they provide them.
So there's a lot, and you know,with the whole mandates of
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having to go back in the office,you know this has really
created a lot of issue forpeople because a number of the
individuals who are beingmandated to go back in the
office were never hired to be inan office environment.
They were in a work from home.
Obviously, the ones who used tobe in an office, they might not
going to work from home.
Obviously the ones who used tobe in an office, they might not
(18:38):
like the idea of going back.
But hey, that's how they werehired.
They were hired that way.
Deal with it.
And if you don't like thatanymore, then go find something
that's 100% virtual or hybrid,but there is such a vast
majority of people that were nothired for that.
And then you know they're notcompensated for Trimble because
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obviously, you know there's acommute involved.
Rarely do people live withinfive minutes of where they work.
You know, it's just, it'slimiting.
And then there's the wardrobe.
You know there's the wear andtear on the vehicle, I mean, and
they're not compensated forthat, so that's.
And if you have kids, I mean,can't forget the kids, what do
you do, you know, if you havesmaller children.
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So it's, it's a big problem.
It really is.
And you know, one of thebiggest benefits in the
corporate sector is when theycan allow that flexibility.
And it's, it's just been blownup now with, you know, so many
mandates coming from Washington.
It's just a mess.
Jennifer Loehding (19:39):
Yeah, I mean, people get.
You know, one of the things wewere talking about today and the
previous is really about, youknow, looking at change and
asking the question do we needto make change?
Right, like, do we need tobring about some change?
And looking at the you know,the larger, grand picture of
things, instead of being hung on.
Hung on or clinging to We'vealways done it this way, so why
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would we change?
You know, I think the smarterwe get, the more knowledge we
get, the more we evolve and weshould be open to saying maybe
we need to do things a littlebit differently.
You know, maybe we need to givethem more time to to pour their
wellness and because thenthey're going to show up happier
and they're going to be moreproductive.
I mean, I like, at the veryfundamental, I'll tell you this
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when I was in college, I workedfor an insurance agent and I
remember coming in, so I wasgoing to school full time and
then I would go in like threedays a week.
I'd go in after, like from oneo'clock to five o'clock, and
then on the opposing days, I'dgo in from eight to five.
On the days that I would show upfor one to five, I would be
like, listen, we jamming man, Ihad four hours to get that work
(20:44):
done.
Crank it out, and on the dayswhen I had to be there from
eight to five, it was like giveme a break, like I was like
poking, poking, poking, you know, because I was just more
effective in that short time.
And I'm not advocating that weneed to do that with everybody,
but I think the thing I'm tryingto say is that sometimes we
have to look at systems and theway we're doing something and
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say maybe this isn't working,maybe, you know, we need to
assess it.
But also, you know, if we getinto just go back to what I was
saying like strengths andweaknesses also recognizing that
the people that we're workingwith, how they thrive, because
some people like me who are highenergy, can get a lot done in a
very short amount of time,whereas I'm going to get bored
very easily and if you tried tolike I would.
(21:26):
I would die if, right now, if Ihad to go back to sit at a desk
all day.
I'm not begrudging anybodybecause I recognize we have to
do the things we have to do, butoh my gosh, lisa, if I had to
sit at a desk all day and be ona phone and type and have to sit
at that desk, I think I'd gonuts.
I would be like man, I am goingto need like some music in here
.
Lisa Hammett (21:46):
Oh, I'm 100% the same way and I mean I like
people and I enjoy.
What I like about the work thatwe do is that you know it's
it's diversive, so you know wego out and we speak or we coach,
or you know.
So some of it is virtual,obviously, but you know we, we
dictate that we have controlover them.
(22:07):
We're not mandated to just sitfor eight hours at a time and I
would just die.
Yeah, I couldn't go back tothem.
I just I couldn die.
Yeah, I couldn't go back tothem, I just I couldn't.
Jennifer Loehding (22:17):
Yeah, I think it really comes to the not to
yeah your values and then, whereyou know your strengths are
right, like you know.
I mean, could we sit in a chairall day?
Yes, we could sit in a chairall day If we had.
If we knew we had to do it, wecould do it.
Lisa Hammett (22:37):
It doesn't mean we're going to be happy.
It exactly, exactly.
And you know, I mean I.
I believe that we were givencertain strengths.
Yes, and it's our ability, aswe go through life, to really
understand what those strengthsare.
What we're passionate aboutties into the whole core values
thing, and then we align thatwith what we're doing, and when
all of those are in alignment,then that is when we're really
showing up as our best self,we're leading in the right way
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and we're attracting the rightpeople and we're serving, you
know, truly in how we were meantto serve.
Yeah, absolutely, I agree withyou.
Jennifer Loehding (23:07):
That's why I had to put all those pillars
together, because it was likewhat is it that you know, like
when you're trying to figurethis out, like because it's not
just one thing, it's not justget up and implement healthy
habits.
You know, wherever your peoplecome in, the door is where they
come in.
And both you and I, we enteredthis segue in a health place.
From a health perspective, bothof us had some kind of crisis
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going on that put us at theforefront of taking a moment to
pause about how we were showingup, like well, how were we
affecting our health, like whatwas actually causing this, and
that kind of spawned thecuriosity into a deeper you know
, how are we showing up and howare we leading and how is that
making a difference in the worldaround us?
And so, yeah, I think when youstart to do that and get into
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those places where you're askingthose questions and, like you
say, get into your purpose andthat's, and you're not going to
do that and get into thoseplaces where you're asking those
questions and, like you say,get into your purpose.
And you're not going to do that.
unless you start askingquestions, you're never going to
figure that out unless youstart getting curious and I
think you know it goes so muchto say when we talk about like
this curiosity thing thatsometimes we get so set in this
idea of what we think we shouldbe doing and how we should be,
you know, moving about, andwe're unhappy because that's the
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should, it's not aligning withthe values and the strengths.
You know.
It's just I think I should bedoing this because everybody
else, I guess, is doing that, orthat's what maybe mom and dad
told us, or that's what theeducation told us, or whatever
that is.
Lisa Hammett (24:31):
So I'm with you on that.
Yeah, that's setting yourselfup for failure, in my opinion.
Jennifer Loehding (24:35):
Yeah, that's setting yourself up for failure,
in my opinion.
Lisa Hammett (24:36):
Yeah absolutely Trying to conform to something.
Yeah, and it's, and you know,really to find your purpose and
your why you gotta.
It's a little uncomfortable atfirst because you gotta ask
yourself some tough questions.
And you know I'm not sayingdon't do it, absolutely do it,
but you have to take stock ofwhere are you right now and to
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really get to where you want tobe.
It's scary, sometimes you justgot to get mad.
Yeah, exactly yeah.
Jennifer Loehding (25:06):
I'm with you.
So I want to know and this isgoing to be a no brainer, really
a no brainer question for youbut I think people that,
listening to this, they look atyou and me and these people that
I bring on here and they think,well, you guys just got it all
figured out because you're there.
We're like no, we didn't.
We've had to like kind ofevolve to that place.
Right, but maybe, as you know,moving from you know you were in
retail and in this corporatesector for a really long time.
(25:28):
Now me, I wasn't in thecorporate as long.
I've been out kind of doing mything for a long time but
somebody coming from that spaceinto this, now I'm on my own.
You know you worked through thewhole bankruptcy thing.
You did the health challenge.
You know what were maybe someof the I guess, lessons you had
to learn in that transition fromcorporate to entrepreneur.
Lisa Hammett (25:50):
Well, I mean it ties back to you know what we
were just saying of what areyour passion, your core values,
you know kind of thing, so thatyou can kind of move into
something that better serves youand fulfills you as well.
But I'll be honest, it was a lotof self-development.
I mean, by the time I hadreached burnout, I was so
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negative.
I was that toxic, negativeperson that you can't stand to
be around because I was somiserable and that's where I
most broke up my marriage.
And you know you can't expectto get anything positive in life
if you're swimming innegativity.
Right, I mean you have to shiftyour mindset and I think that
is really the number one thingthat needs to shift when you're
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making that kind of evolution,because when you have that kind
of mindset, everything else kindof falls into place.
I mean you start eating better,you start moving your body
better, you know you.
Just, you show up as a muchbetter person and you get, get
curious, and it all ties intowhat's in your head and I know
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for a lot of people.
That sounds really woo woo, butit's true, I mean and I use this
example all the time.
It's like, how do Olympians, howdo professional athletes, how
do they win medals, how do theywin trophies?
It's because they have thisvision in their head of what
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it's going to be like to winthat.
Or you know what they aspiremost in life and you have to
have that solid vision to kindof lead you.
And then you know your goalsand action steps.
That's kind of you know whatkeeps you going, but the you
know the compass.
It's really that vision.
(27:41):
It's a big question, so youhave to develop that.
Jennifer Loehding (27:44):
Yeah Well, and you mentioned, you know,
being around the negative person.
I think there's, you know, thenegative from being burnt out
and I think that's a really good, a good indicator that you're
in burnout stage.
But I think a lot of peopledon't really recognize that
right, because it's not anovernight, it's a gradual
process.
You might be this happy personand then all of a sudden you get
to that place where, like,you're just negative all the
(28:04):
time and you don't even reallyrealize it Right, you don't even
realize you've made thattransformation because it's been
a gradual progression to aburnout.
And then, by the time you get tothat you know, and I feel like
all of us experience at sometime or another that little bit
of burnout where we're just likeI'm just done and I'm like you
can't.
You know, like you just, andeverybody handles it differently
(28:26):
, like in your case that youknow people walk away, they
freeze, you know they all, theyall do differently with that.
But I think it's so importantto recognize that because I will
tell you, and you're probablylike me, there's nothing worse
like where we are to be aroundsomebody that's negative, like
that.
Oh, my goodness, you just wantto go nuts Cause you're just
like everything is spiraling foryou and if you just could
(28:46):
change the way you're lookingjust a little bit, everything
would, the whole, it would shift, everything would look
differently, you know.
But it's so hard because whenyou're in it, you're in it and
you have to recognize it to getout of it.
Lisa Hammett (28:59):
You know what I mean 100%, oh, 100%.
And then when you do get out ofit and you want to achieve what
you want most in life, youreally have to protect your
energy, and if you're aroundpeople that suck the life out of
you, you're not going to getwhat you want, you're going to
be miserable, you're going to goback down that rabbit hole.
(29:19):
So it's really aligningyourself with those individuals
that are energy givers, notenergy drainers.
Jennifer Loehding (29:27):
Yeah, we used to say and you know, mary Kay,
when we would bring people inour unit, it wasn't that we
didn't like the consultantstalking to each other, but we
would always say like if youwere going through something,
talk to your upline because theywere in a position where they
could pour into you.
Because a lot of times theconsultants would be like girl
you got to, oh, I got to, andthen they just go back and forth
(29:47):
, even on that energy, right.
But if you would go to somebodylike you're talking about,
that's in a position andequipped to actually help you
work out of that, they're goingto be skilled enough to get you
out of that and not keep thatloop going of negativity, right.
So I have a great friend herethat I'm here locally.
(30:08):
She's the one that we'restarting the networking.
She's really good at redirecting, which and because both of us
she's been, she was, she's beenAmerican 30 years, I was in 22.
So we kind of know these little, you know these little hacks,
but she is so gifted atredirecting people.
I think that's one of her best,like she's a great friend
anyways.
But I just think that's areally good skill that she's
developed, because when you'rein those situations and you've
got that going on.
(30:29):
You know how, as a leader, doyou navigate that and move that
conversation so that we get outof that.
You know, out of that loopright, and right now I'm sitting
here thinking about the fivedysfunctions of a team.
Lisa Hammett (30:47):
We know a lot of my going to say when you were
saying that is no big of thosemeetings, you know that you're
going into whether you're theleader, or maybe it was before
you actually became the leaderand it just turns into this
toxic, down this rabbit hole,because one person brings up
something, instead of thinkingsomething constructively and
sticking to the agenda, they gooff on this rabbit hole tangent,
(31:07):
and then it just everybody inthat room, it just is this toxic
spiral and you leave and you'relike what the heck happened?
Jennifer Loehding (31:15):
I was gonna say, you and I are the ones over
there going really like,seriously, what's happening
right now?
Like that I have been, it wasmeetings and I've been like now,
like I seriously can't take it.
I I will I'm not very good athiding like my, my, you know,
I'm getting disgusted.
I'm going to be like I got toget up, like I'm going to go to
the bathroom or go make a phonecall or something, cause I can't
(31:36):
sit in this energy Like I justcannot stand.
And you know what's interesting,lisa, is like you mentioned you
know you being negative.
I mentioned you know you beingnegative.
I've been that way too, like II'm not going to, I mean we've,
I feel like we've all kind of Imean maybe there are some people
that never they are fortunateenough that they don't.
But I think most of usexperience those kinds of things
and I and I think we're humansand so there are times that
we're negative.
(31:56):
But I think there's adifference between being a
negative occasionally and justbeing, and also you know, when
we're like that, how we'reaffecting other people.
Because when I think you startyou know I talk a lot about this
when I worked with this mentorthis whole subject object shift
(32:17):
right when you start recognizingthat you are controlling.
I like to use kind of this ideaof a game controller like
you're the character in a gameright Now.
If you're looking on theoutside in, you're controlling
your character.
Your character is going tonavigate the outcome of the game
, so it's also going to navigatewhat's going on around you.
So it may not directlyinfluence everybody's move, but
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you're having an impact oneverybody you come in contact
with and so if you're showing upand excuse my friends you're
being an ass with, and so ifyou're showing up and excuse my
friends, you're being an ass.
You're those people negatively,right you know.
So we have to be conscientiousof how we show up, and this goes
back to what you're talkingabout, this positive
intelligence, being aware of howyou're behaving, it does In
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speaking engagements when I'mtalking about we call them
saboteur traits and they're likecontroller, stickler.
Lisa Hammett (33:08):
You know the perfectionist, what have you?
But there's one that is calledthe hypervigilant, and the
hypervigilant is the person thatis very self-aware, which is
good if you're anticipatingdanger.
So if you're a first responderparamedic, you know that's a
great thing.
But it goes to the extreme andit's that person that is always
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paranoid that something bad isgoing to happen.
And I use the example that howdo you feel when you're around
somebody who is always paranoidthat something bad is going to
happen?
And it's just constantly out oftheir mouth and they're like
nervous, anxious, irritated,want to smack them.
I'm like absolutely, and thenexactly and that is exactly what
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you're talking about, of how wecall it a saboteur contagion,
where it's somebody's emotions,their saboteurs are infecting
somebody else and that's how weinfluence behavior in very
negative ways.
But when we show up verypositively and we lead with
curiosity and empathy andclear-headed focus and we can
(34:12):
see the big picture, you know,showing up as our best self,
that also transfers to otherpeople.
Jennifer Loehding (34:21):
Yeah, I know I agree with you and it's much
better, I feel like when youhave the warm, fuzzy energy
going on.
It's much happier so muchhappier no-transcript, and I
(34:50):
love what you're doing, I think.
I think all of this is soimportant, so you have a book,
right?
Am I?
Did I get that right?
Did I say that at the beginning?
Cause my brain it's getting onthe hunger mode now, so it's
going a little stupid.
Lisa Hammett (35:04):
And my second book , which is the sequel to it, is
coming out next month.
Jennifer Loehding (35:09):
Okay.
The first one's about burnout.
What's this one going to bearound?
Well, they're both.
Lisa Hammett (35:14):
So the series is from burnout to best life and
this one was really developinghealthy habits.
So I had a section on mindsetand what you put in your body,
how you move your body, sleep,you know it's more holistic
wellness, that kind of thing.
And then this one really takesa deep dive into mindset and
positive intelligence, becauseat the time that I wrote the
(35:35):
first book it was already beingedited when I was getting
certified in positiveintelligence, but it didn't
include any of that.
So this one is all about, youknow, diving into that positive
intelligence and how it impactsyou in the workplace if you're a
leader, how you show up ifyou're looking for a job because
that is such a big thing rightnow and just I mean how you
(35:59):
navigate life in general and howit impacts your relationships
and just what you want in life.
Jennifer Loehding (36:06):
I love it, I love it and you know what?
I think it's just sointeresting, the parallels in
our lives with our, I guess ourentry into this, because my book
that I wrote I only wrote one,I don't know if I want to write
another one right now that's noton my calling list right now
Because it's just not that itwas hard, it's just time
consuming it is my first one wasreally a lot about the wellness
(36:29):
side of things because that wassort of the entry way I think I
got.
I started to get into likeaffirmation.
But since then I mean I got myneurological fitness training
done, certified in that, andreally got into more stuff.
And I was working with a mentorfor a while and studied I think
is Robert Kramer the fivestages of adult development and
I don't know why we thought likeI didn't.
(36:50):
I don't even know why I thoughtthis never even existed, you
know, but I wasn't really, Iguess, in the place of
understanding, like emotionalintelligence and like we're
talking about the EQ, all ofthat stuff.
And when I studied that youknow, went through that and for
anybody listening to that, golook it up because it's actually
interesting.
You adults have stages ofdevelopment, they do, and once
(37:10):
you go through those you willstart pinpointing people that
you know that fall into each ofthose categories.
The funny thing is we tend tonavigate, you know, like there,
if you go to the top one,obviously these are going to be
our leaders on the top, but theygo all the way down to, like
the self-centered person who isbasically just completely
(37:30):
they're like a 17 year old child, like they're completely
oblivious to the world aroundthem.
But if you think about this,talk about from a health
perspective, this mentor that Iworked with talked about how we
might be say we're up at thishigher level but then we like
we've been saying throughoutthis, you go into a meeting or
you go home to family and all ofa sudden you got to jump down
now to this level.
(37:51):
You're operating mostly at thislevel, but now you come to this
level and he was even gettingback to why you think about,
like us, being not well, likephysically ill, because we're
bouncing around between thesedifferent levels, and so I often
joke about this.
I love my parents but, man, Itell you, it is chaotic when I.
It's not as bad now.
(38:11):
I feel like it's better now,but there for a while I go back
to visit and, lisa, I tell you,like I didn't even realize this,
but I would get so internallyworked up and I didn't even know
this was going on On the ridehome I would always come home
with a migraine.
Oh wow, On the way back I wouldget a migraine, and I think it
was because I had worked myselfup so much going.
Lisa Hammett (38:31):
Yeah.
Jennifer Loehding (38:32):
Because it wasn't that we were going to,
anybody was going to think bad.
We just would always get intothese like dumb arguments or it
just would be chaotic.
And I think in my mind and Iwill tell you, you know, like I
don't get the migraine so muchanymore.
But the same thing here nowwhen I get into situations where
I feel like there's going to betoxicity, or because to me that
(38:53):
chaos is a lot of toxicity isattached to it.
I will start getting internally.
I will have things.
I have to really work at my youknow, my nervous system stuff
and really work at my habits andmy protective measures to make
sure that I keep myself in check, because if I don't then it
(39:14):
will manifest into health stuffLike I will just oh, yeah, yeah,
weird things will happen.
Lisa Hammett (39:20):
You know, I'm the same way.
I mean, that's your body'sreaction to stress and mine is
always like stomach related,that's always so fun you know.
And my it was funny because myGI doctor said well, you
manifest the people who havemigraine.
You're basically having amigraine in your stomach.
Jennifer Loehding (39:35):
Yeah.
Lisa Hammett (39:36):
And I'm like, oh, that's really interesting, but
it's everybody's different, youknow.
Some could be sciatic issuesthat you oh no, that would be
something else.
No, your body can manifestwhatever it wants when stress is
yeah or it'll make it hurtworse, that's for sure.
Jennifer Loehding (39:54):
If you've got sciatica it can make it hurt.
I have sciatica, so I know Iget it.
But it always flares up.
It always does Like right nowit's fine, I'm not knowing, but
I will tell you it.
It will flare up when there's alot of just emotion and it's
emotional chaos, right.
Lisa Hammett (40:09):
A hundred percent.
Jennifer Loehding (40:10):
It weighs on you.
So this is good, this is goodfood for thought, and so I'd
love to know, for anybodylistening to this, like what is
it?
Because you wrote this in yourfirst book, these habits?
So maybe let's backpedal to oneof those.
Maybe like something that, ifsomebody's starting to feel we
talked a lot about, you know, wetalked about making sure you're
around the right people, rightbut maybe something that
(40:30):
somebody, if they're starting torecognize the signs that
they're traveling down thatburnout trail, what is something
they can maybe do to help themin this right now.
Like something, like a step,something they could do.
Lisa Hammett (40:45):
Get help.
I mean they do I'm not sayingthat.
You have to admit yourself to,you know, seek help, you know,
and that could be supportthrough a mentor.
I don't recommend familymembers, and not to say that
family isn't a great dynamic ina lot of cases, but they're not
(41:07):
always objective and you needsomebody who is objective.
So it could be a counselor, acoach, it could be a therapist
and you know, for a lot ofpeople they're like well, I
don't want to spend money oncoaching or whatever and like,
okay, you know, start withsomething that your health
insurance will pay for.
Yeah, you know, talk tosomebody.
Or Talk to somebody or a closeconfidant that you have had in
(41:31):
your life, If you have a pastorthat you feel comfortable
talking to talk to somebody whois objective, because that
individual is going to give adifferent perspective.
Because when you're stuck in theweeds in it, what you're doing
is fixating in that misery andyou can't like zoom out to
(41:52):
really see what the issue is,and an objective person can't.
And I mean coaching is great,but I recognize that that's a
scary step for a lot of peopleinitially.
So, you know, just talk tosomebody.
Jennifer Loehding (42:07):
I think that's great advice.
I agree with you and I think,yes, family's not the best when
it comes to that.
I would not argue with you onany of that.
I agree.
Yeah, all right.
Well, this has been great, lisa.
I love what you're doing and Ithink it's much needed work.
Anybody listening to this maywant to catch up with you.
They might want to find yourbook, they might want to follow
you, they might want to reachout, see what you've got going
on.
Where do we want to send them?
Lisa Hammett (42:28):
To my website and my name is up here.
It's basically lisahammettcom,really difficult.
Jennifer Loehding (42:35):
We'll make sure in the show notes we get it
in there so they know where tofind you and that way, if
they're in that phase right now,maybe it'll encourage them to
just pause and say, hey, I needto do something differently,
whether that is to go seek helpor, you know, find a book, I
(42:57):
don't know, a resource, whateveryou need to maybe get you in
that right, make that step to goto a different direction right,
100%, 100%.
Lisa Hammett (43:06):
Well, thank you, this has been amazing.
Jennifer Loehding (43:07):
Yeah, it's been fun All right, of course,
to our audience.
We appreciate you and we hopeyou find this episode, you know,
both informative and inspiring.
And if you did, you know whatto do Hit the like, the
subscribe, comment, share, doall the things so we can keep
sharing all of this fabulouscontent and content.
And, as I always say, in orderto live the extraordinary, you
(43:28):
must start, and every startbegins with a decision.
You guys, take care, be safe,be kind to one another and we
will see you next time.
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